I'm in a guild where we have 20active people almost all the times... no one wants to do this ... there is no way in hell you will find randoms who will do this or can do it... it's way to much effort for a minimal boost, they rather eat the worse stat problem than go in and do this.
It's the people who can play 8hours a day or more that think this type of grind is good. Even KR players dislike this type of grind, KR PLAYERS. Think about that. Before it even got ported for everyone else, this was already a problem in KR. On top of that, global got the tiered dungeons while they have t1 equipment. KR got it when they had T2 gear, which made their runs quicker because they dish out more damage. Gear progression hidden behind a "challenge" dungeon has always been a bad game design. EVEN PVE MMOs games don't do this. The difficulty of the dungeon isn't the main problem. That's like tertiary in terms of the problem. Finding for a t3 takes like 10-20min, the run could take an hour. It's only people who could play a long time every day like this. I mean, there's already less player after the patch. Que times now takes so long even with random que or direct dungeon que. You burn out people with this much amount of stuff especially when progression is tied behind something that could take 1hour to finish but only get a miniscule thing. We got lucky that we have some reliable people in game that can run t5. But not everyone has that luxury. You shouldn't put your bias when you're trying to make a game better because you're not the only player. The greater majority of the player base are not as lucky as us.
@@hirotakasugi4891 it is boring but what would be a viable replacement? To me the way I see it what else is there to do in the game? Dungeon drops are eh cause currently ah value is so low. Outside of night time PvP and conflict what else is there to do?
@@TheGuitarist562 Move the runes to the regular Star Dungeons. Make Chaos runes better (some chaos runes just have really weird negatives that make it not worth equipping) and make it the "Chase" item in Dungeon Trials, maybe additional rewards too like arch boss shards at higher tiers. PVE games that have trial dungeons don't even put "progression" behind Challenge Dungeons, they put collectibles or rare chase items that doesn't really have too much impact. By moving the main rune drops to the 2Star Dungeons, you also need to increase the drops somewhat since even challenge dungeon drop very little, you still pace people because the dungeons are gated by daily token refreshes. That's just 2 of the flew of things they should have already known.
@@TheGuitarist562 Either. The best solution is to increase the rewards slightly and move it to the 2 Star Dungeons. It will paced since it's limited to daily token refresh. Make Trial Dungeons have a monthly reset (which means it's one time clear so no one can really farm unless they move up a tier). Put some chase items there at higher tiers. Make it the drop only Chaos runes, they can remove tier 1-4 because of this. Chaos Runes have negative effects, but it's surely not a mandatory thing compared to the regular runes, it's a side upgrade. Many other "chase" items. But not main-main core progression items. Heck they can even award arch boss shards around tier 15-30 or something. Rare and unique weapon costumes too.
My guild won't to this... they outright don't care... 20+ people online all the time doing pvp and open world pve stuff, they don;t want to go in ... so yeah, even if you are in a guild where are peopole, you still find yourself in a situation where people just don't want to do this for 2-3 runes per run that takes 20-30minutes or even more... They could easyli put this in every content in the game, but they choose this half assed way to force people to do this content, there is open world stuff, open world dungeons, and more in the game... even doing every content in the game that comes every hour most of the times can give you more runes, than a random group that wastes 1-2 hour of your time without succes.... so yeah. And even now there are way to much things you need to do... so you are forced to skip things if you want to do this, more like you are forced to skip every content in the game for a repetitive experience that is 90% of the times is a frustrating thing to do if you go in with randoms. This is a system that needed to be put in every content of the game, because it's an insane farm 90% won't do ....
Yeah of course the ideal is to pace yourself but not burn out. The problem is, you can’t pace yourself and remain competitive in PvP. The boost in CP and stats is large with runes and requires a worse grind than before this patch.
how is it bad, iam already full lvl 50 blue atk def and support runes and i didnt even grind that much. had a good team and we grind lvl 5 island for 3 days and thats it...and all the runes i got from reaching 45k points in the dimensional trials.
Not everyone has the luxury of getting a good team and grinding with the same dungeon with them for three days lol. Try doing it sporadically with randoms, coinflipping between good and bad teams.
Not everyone thinks the rune system is bad. Its good system. The ones who think its bad are people with no experience in the MMO games. The fun in MMO games is the exploration and the process of progression. When you achieve everything to the limit, game feels stall and boring.
@@filip5703 I mean I only PvP for the most part dude but I definitely get your complaint about it. It’s just not that bad people just wanna get to sixty in a day.
I push a lot I’m already level 40 runes all you need is friends to push and you won’t burn out as fast I feel like higher push more fun it is
That’s what I’m sayin but lots don’t have it so I get their frustrations. It’s so easy now they just want to get to thirty challenge level in a day
I'm in a guild where we have 20active people almost all the times... no one wants to do this ... there is no way in hell you will find randoms who will do this or can do it... it's way to much effort for a minimal boost, they rather eat the worse stat problem than go in and do this.
@ yea same my guild don’t run these I had to join a discord to find groups and rush
It's the people who can play 8hours a day or more that think this type of grind is good.
Even KR players dislike this type of grind, KR PLAYERS. Think about that. Before it even got ported for everyone else, this was already a problem in KR.
On top of that, global got the tiered dungeons while they have t1 equipment. KR got it when they had T2 gear, which made their runs quicker because they dish out more damage.
Gear progression hidden behind a "challenge" dungeon has always been a bad game design. EVEN PVE MMOs games don't do this.
The difficulty of the dungeon isn't the main problem. That's like tertiary in terms of the problem. Finding for a t3 takes like 10-20min, the run could take an hour.
It's only people who could play a long time every day like this. I mean, there's already less player after the patch. Que times now takes so long even with random que or direct dungeon que.
You burn out people with this much amount of stuff especially when progression is tied behind something that could take 1hour to finish but only get a miniscule thing.
We got lucky that we have some reliable people in game that can run t5. But not everyone has that luxury. You shouldn't put your bias when you're trying to make a game better because you're not the only player. The greater majority of the player base are not as lucky as us.
@@hirotakasugi4891 it is boring but what would be a viable replacement? To me the way I see it what else is there to do in the game? Dungeon drops are eh cause currently ah value is so low. Outside of night time PvP and conflict what else is there to do?
@@TheGuitarist562 Move the runes to the regular Star Dungeons. Make Chaos runes better (some chaos runes just have really weird negatives that make it not worth equipping) and make it the "Chase" item in Dungeon Trials, maybe additional rewards too like arch boss shards at higher tiers. PVE games that have trial dungeons don't even put "progression" behind Challenge Dungeons, they put collectibles or rare chase items that doesn't really have too much impact.
By moving the main rune drops to the 2Star Dungeons, you also need to increase the drops somewhat since even challenge dungeon drop very little, you still pace people because the dungeons are gated by daily token refreshes.
That's just 2 of the flew of things they should have already known.
@@TheGuitarist562 I responded to you but I don't seem to see it on this thread. Did you see it?
@@TheGuitarist562 Either. The best solution is to increase the rewards slightly and move it to the 2 Star Dungeons. It will paced since it's limited to daily token refresh. Make Trial Dungeons have a monthly reset (which means it's one time clear so no one can really farm unless they move up a tier). Put some chase items there at higher tiers. Make it the drop only Chaos runes, they can remove tier 1-4 because of this. Chaos Runes have negative effects, but it's surely not a mandatory thing compared to the regular runes, it's a side upgrade. Many other "chase" items. But not main-main core progression items. Heck they can even award arch boss shards around tier 15-30 or something. Rare and unique weapon costumes too.
My guild won't to this... they outright don't care... 20+ people online all the time doing pvp and open world pve stuff, they don;t want to go in ... so yeah, even if you are in a guild where are peopole, you still find yourself in a situation where people just don't want to do this for 2-3 runes per run that takes 20-30minutes or even more... They could easyli put this in every content in the game, but they choose this half assed way to force people to do this content, there is open world stuff, open world dungeons, and more in the game... even doing every content in the game that comes every hour most of the times can give you more runes, than a random group that wastes 1-2 hour of your time without succes.... so yeah. And even now there are way to much things you need to do... so you are forced to skip things if you want to do this, more like you are forced to skip every content in the game for a repetitive experience that is 90% of the times is a frustrating thing to do if you go in with randoms. This is a system that needed to be put in every content of the game, because it's an insane farm 90% won't do ....
Yeah of course the ideal is to pace yourself but not burn out. The problem is, you can’t pace yourself and remain competitive in PvP. The boost in CP and stats is large with runes and requires a worse grind than before this patch.
Lmao at you in WC young man. Laslan was getting stale. Here’s your 👍 and comment for the almighty algorithm. ✌️
Just spicingy it up the PvP man. It’s all good fun
i havent heard anyone say its bad
@@usol lots di
how is it bad, iam already full lvl 50 blue atk def and support runes and i didnt even grind that much. had a good team and we grind lvl 5 island for 3 days and thats it...and all the runes i got from reaching 45k points in the dimensional trials.
@@DonPascquale that’s what I’m sayin
Didn't grind much then goes on to say he grinded for three days lmfao sausage touch grass
Not everyone has the luxury of getting a good team and grinding with the same dungeon with them for three days lol. Try doing it sporadically with randoms, coinflipping between good and bad teams.
@ it is bad that’s why I do tier ones and threes without statics but if u need me to open dungeons for you I can just join discord
@@ch3micalromanc369 3 days is alot to you? i played mmos where you grind over a year or even two to max out something.
Bruh they stopped giving runes from guild bosses...wtf
@@aaronlewis8852 I just did mine and got some weird but I believe u.
source trust me bro
Not everyone thinks the rune system is bad. Its good system. The ones who think its bad are people with no experience in the MMO games. The fun in MMO games is the exploration and the process of progression. When you achieve everything to the limit, game feels stall and boring.
For players like me who play because we enjoy pvp, being forced to grind boring pve content in order to not lose in pvp is the problem
@@radyradkov973 I love the progression it’s supposed to take time
@@filip5703 I mean I only PvP for the most part dude but I definitely get your complaint about it. It’s just not that bad people just wanna get to sixty in a day.
@@filip5703 this is MMO. Not a MOBA. It's ment to have grindy PvE content
@@radyradkov973 just because its tradition it doesnt mean you cant make the game better