Verlander, Scherzer, Price, Sanchez, Porcello. The 2014 Tigers rotation has 8 Cy Youngs, 5 ERA titles, A Triple Crown, An MVP, and lead the league in Strikeouts 9 times. As a Tigers fan I still want to vomit thinking about how we wasted this.
@@CheeseMasterSports Laughs in trading Zac Gallen and Sandy Alcantra for Marcell Ozuna rental. (Im only laughing because im a cardinals fan and it prevents me from crying)
He pretty much stopped pitching at the age of 33, he had a few starts after, but injuries had already taken their toll...and he STILL has over a 50 WAR. Not a HOFer, but one of my favorite MLB players of all time; he was immensely-skilled, yet humble, and he always battled out there.
Its a shame Oswalt never won a ring, he is extremely underrated as a pitcher. When I was a kid I loved watching the Wizard work his magic curveball and was sad to see us let him go along with Berkman
@@therealjaystone2344 i guess you could say the same thing about all of the Astros greats during the 70s, 80s, 90s. Crazy how you could be top of the line and never win anything. My dad legitimately thought he wouldn't live to see the Astros win a world series
I think this just makes the '05 White Sox run all the more impressive. Swept the defending champion Red Sox, beat the Angels in 5, then swept a team with one of the greatest starting rotations ever to win the World Series. Greatest playoff team ever, if not greatest one year wonder ever.
Best 3 starting rotation of all time. I’m not a Braves fan, but loved watching them in the 90s. Kind of a shame they only won one and came up short so many times, they won that division like every year.
I’m just here to mention that the 2011 Phillies had Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels, and Roy Oswalt, and got eliminated in the first round of the playoffs…
@@naznas1535 You’re right! How could I forget the Vanimal?!? Minnesota Twins legend too. I’ll never forget his 79 pitch first inning against the Mets where they batted around and scored 11 runs🤣
This video perfectly encapsulates the 2012-2014 Detroit Tigers except that they had even more pitching, one of the top offenses in the league, but the bullpen blew games and the bats went quiet when we needed them the most (the 2012 WS sweep and 2014 ALDS). The 2013 rotation is arguably one of the best rotations assembled for a team ever and it can be argued that it got even better in 2014.
As a Phillies fan seeing the rotation of Doc, Cliff, Oswalt, & Hammels not win a World Series still eats at my soul why couldn’t the world see Doc win a World Series bruh
I’m similarly sad as a former Cleveland Indians fan. I didn’t spend 35 years (I’m 40) idolizing the Guardians; I don’t know who that team is so I stopped caring. The Tribe getting reverse swept in the WS against the Cubs was the last thing I ever watched on TV with my dad (RIP) before he passed. Born in 1950, he never saw his beloved Browns win a Super Bowl nor the Indians win the World Series. Cleveland’s teams that lost two WS in the ‘90s were legendary teams. Vizquel, Thome, Belle, Baerga, my personal childhood idol Kenny Lofton… later on that team fielded some of the best players of the last few decades. Sizemore was a HOF talent whose reckless outfield play cut his career short. So many Cy Young winners were of course traded away. But while most baseball fans remember Sabathia as the long-time Yankees ace, he was perhaps the best pitcher ever to take the mound for the Tribe in my lifetime. So many talented rosters, magical seasons, elite pitchers, bats, fielders… and nothing to show for it. And now they’re gone forever. I dunno who these Guardian people are but they don’t mean a dang thing to me.
I think in hindsight winning in Citizens Bank Park with your pitching staff is hard. That’s not what the ‘08 team was about. Obviously Hamels was great, Brett Myers was okay, and Moyer was an aging wonder. But really it was having a great bullpen of Madson and Lidge combined with the 1-6 being gangbusters.
@@nobeardthepirate9172 If all the players of the team I and my family enjoy were suddenly wearing a hat with a different logo on it I don't think I'd throw a temper-tantrum.
Hey Jolly! Ironically the most recent team to have three pitchers with 200+ innings and sub-3.00 ERA is the 2019 Astros. They also lost the World Series.
I have fond memories of watching the 2005 Astros playoff chase when I was in college. I remember watching the Game 4 grand slam by LaRoche as I was leaving for a shift in the movie theater where I worked at the time and thinking that the series would be heading to a Game 5, only to find that Houston pulled it off by the time I came back. It was a special time, but when I consider that Jolly was only six years old when all this was going down that makes me feel really old.
@@gfox9295 And you also make me feel old. I can vaguely - very vaguely - recall the 1979 World Series, when we were laughing at the one guy we knew who took Pittsburgh. After all, the Orioles were up 3 games to 1. And then the Pirates won the last three games of the World Series. I was 8 years old.
I'm obsessed with the legacy of pitching rotations, so thanks for doing this video. It was really insightful. BTW I really like the piano track you used towards the end of the video, and have used in your other videos. Has a very nostalgic flavor to it.
2005 was the year I, a Houstonian, got into baseball. Them getting swept in the World Series completely broke seven-year-old me. Looking back now, with how we’ve been absolutely spoiled with playoff riches the past eight years, I can look back and appreciate this a lot more. I’m mostly satisfied that Biggio and Bagwell even made the Fall Classic at all considering how many of the greats never even did that, and I’m also really happy for the Southside finally breaking the Black Sox Curse as doing so was simply an important moment for baseball, no other way around it.
@@niclazzari2309 only reason he couldn’t punish the players was because baseball has the strongest players association in all of sports, and he did the max punishment allowed by the collective bargaining agreement. Also seriously, revoking a title??? The NFL didn’t do that to the Patriots for SpyGate. Edit: the rest of the league was doing it too, multiple current and former MLB players are on record saying it wasn’t only the Astros. Lucas Giolito, Steven Souza, Joey Votto, Erik Kratz, and even the original rat, Mike Fiers.
@@notsauer I'm aware that the players union is quite strong and makes it difficult for the league to punish players, and that the team fine was the maximum allowed per the rules. I didn't bring up those points for that very reason. Nonetheless the fact that he didn't take the "pieces of metal" as he puts it shows he went easy on the Astros. Literally every team would take the trade of a WS title in exchange for $5 million, a couple draft picks, and some bad press, don't act like that was much a punishment at all. Congrats on winning the division this year by the way.
Great video. I remember that 2005 World Series as the first playoff baseball I really watched. Just seemed like the white Sox had the more reliable bats
I was a young kid when the 04-06 teams were contenders but still remember watching every game I could with my dad and grandpa. It’s nice to relive some of my childhood with the knowledge I have now. Great video!
LOL, I clicked on this thinking he was going to talk about the 1985 Astros. Mike Scott, Nolan Ryan, Bob Knepper, with Dave Smith closing. At least I got the team right. I guess the Astros history (before recently) can be summed up with: Great pitchers -- noodle bats.
As a lifelong Rangers fan who grew up watching Darren Oliver pitching for us, I am absolutely here for Darren Oliver references and support there being more of them.
Chicago's big four of Mark Buehrle, Freddy Garcia, Jose Contreras and Jon Garland was an absolute force in the 2005 playoffs. They all had ERAs between 3 and 4 in the regular season, which is good, but turned it up in the playoffs where they combined for a sub-3 ERA. Each of them pitched at least 7 innings in the 4 WS games, not giving up more than 4 runs in any game.
The Astros big 3 owe a lot of their success to the defense of Adam Everett, who had some of the greatest defensive shortstop seasons of the 2000s, including a 4 dWAR season in 2006.
Not to mention Ausmus's ability to call games and provide emotional support to the staff, those two were both pivotal to the success of that team, even if they were well below average ovvensively.
I'd love to see jolly do a video on Coco Crisp. never made an all star team & never won a gold glove despite making some of the nicest plays I've ever seen in the outfield. his hitting was pretty average overall but he had a few really good offensive seasons and could steal bases. underrated player
As an Astros fan, I was spoiled to grow and see guys like Clemens, Pettitte and Oswalt in the rotation, while Berkman, Biggio, Bagwell (killer B's anyone?) led the offense. It's weird how people forget the 2005 White Sox and their title seems to be an afterthought. Despite the sweep, it was a close and interesting series to watch. I wonder how different things may have been if Albert Pujols didn't hit that mammoth HR in Game 5 of the NLCS, which effectively ruined Brad Lidge for the next 2 years.
It really was a great series despite it being a sweep. Game 2 is the greatest baseball game Ive ever seen in my life. Game 3 went likes 16 innings and Buehrle had to come in and pitch after drinking on the bench all night. And game 4 went down to the wire too. I am a Sox fan so I am biased, but that series was amazing.
I find it a bit ironic that 2005 is so overshadowed by 2004, despite the White Sox’s drought ending at 2 seasons more than that of the Red Sox. I guess the Black Sox curse was overshadowed by the Bambino and Billy Goat
Because it was an Illegitimate Title. It was FIXED for the White Sox by Bud Selig. I love the fact how majority of the WS was Extra Innings games. It was a CHEAT. The Umpires were Awful too. Complete Cheapskates.
We were sooo spoiled. Not only did we have great players, but they also put up all time great seasons while donning the H. Clemens with a 1.87 ERA, Biggio with a 50 double, 50 SB season, and Bagwell in 94 putting up one of the greatest seasons ever slugging .750 in the most extreme pitchers park in baseball history. Sometimes I feel bad when I hear fans of other teams or generations talk highly of the guys they grew up watching like a Brian Giles, or a Mike Mussina, and they’re fine players, but they never dominated the game the way our guys did during the Killer B’s era
My comment about the killer B's (Derek Bell anyone?) as a cubs fan is Kerry Woods 20K game. I hated that I liked the astros in that era. Biggio is still one of my top 3 second baseman of all time.
5th in the NL central on 07/25/04... but who was LAST in that six-team abomination of a division, Jolly? Yer damn right, the Pirates! Oliver "I burnt them again" Perez, Kip Wells, Rob Mackowiak... Put 'em in the East and they're CHAMPS, Jolly!
The whitesox guys (especially starting pitching) all had career years, and locked in in that playoff run. Probably the least amount of allstars/hall of famers to ever win a WS
At one point, peak Johan Santana and Francisco Liriano was a beast one-two starting pitching combination along with a prime Joe Mauer and Justin Morneau on offense. The Twins odds to ring was something like 25-1 and I put money on it. Sadly, both pitchers were derailed by injuries and I never got to see if it would come to fruition with them being healthy.
Mets fan here, that picture always makes me laugh and cry at the same time. Laugh because big sexy is there with the fireballers and cry because they’re all gone and they underachieved
I've really enjoyed the inclusion of commercials into these episodes. The dropped calls one I was familiar with, but the lefty reliever was unknown to me.
Same (that I enjoyed the commercials, but also same that I remember the dropped call ad but don't remember the HEB lefty ad... funny, too, since the HEB ads of the past 6+ years are so prominent nowadays).
I remember Clemens returning to the Yankees, announcing it via Jumbotron. The Yankees fans went wild, expecting a World Series win. Supposedly, it was between returning to New York or Boston. He chose New York and Boston won the World Series.
Albeit most of rotation had rings from previous championship teams. The 2021 Dodgers have to be mentioned. 7 cy youngs- Scherzer, Kershaw, Price, a 20 game winner in Urías, a top 5 cy young voted Buehler, up and coming all star Gonsolin. That rotation was stacked.
seriously 2021 david price? not sure what the point of mentioning awards guys won in other years is. it's just misleading at best. kershaw was a solid above average pitcher in 2021. the fact he was the best pitcher in baseball 5+ years earlier isn't helping them in 2021. they had a good not great rotation in 2021.
Nah that rotation was great. Most of theml sported eras in the 2's and Price was an option player at that point but a good option to have. Dustin May and Corey Knebel were also great in that rotation plus Trevor Bauer was looking like the Cy Young pick the first half of the season before he ran into his off field troubles.
@@eamonkelley3811 no it wasn't great look what they did that year not cy youngs from many years earlier. it was definitely good but not what you make it out to be.
All 5 members of the 2011 Phillies rotation posted an ERA+ over 100, as did their top 5 arms out of the bullpen. The rotation of Roy Halladay (163), Cliff Lee (160), Cole Hamels (137), Roy Oswalt (104), and Vance Worley (127) set the table. Coming out of the bullpen were Kyle Kendrick (119), Michael Stutes (106), Antonio Bastardo (146), and David Herndon (116), with Ryan Madson closing (162) after Brad Lidge went on the disabled list. Kyle Kendrick was also the Phillies' spot starter, starting 15 games during the season (mainly as a fill-in for Oswalt when he injured his back). The Phillies lost the NLDS 3-2 to the eventual champion Cardinals. "1-bloody-nil" to those that know.
I was surprised how quickly Oswalt was able to get to 50 WAR, and if injuries did not take their toll on him he would probably be in the HOF conversation. One of the best, yet underrated and humble pitchers of a generation, the type of guy who would rather spend time on his farm rather than living the high life. Heck, the reason he stayed an Astro is because they literally bought him a bulldozer (which he could use to work his farmland) along with their cash offer.
Roy Oswalt, Lance Berkman, Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio... What a team... I really enjoyed watching those 00s Astros play.. And their uniforms during that era were so so much better then what they have now..
Eh, the blue tops with the rainbow stripes under the arms is a pretty good uniform these days. But yes, I liked the dark red brick outfits as well. A lot of Astros fans seemed to hate those, tho.
The 1989 and 1990 Mets had Dwight Gooden, Frank Viola, David Cone, Sid Fernandez, Ron Darling and Bob Ojeda. That's six major starters, which forced Ojeda and Darling to take turns coming out of the bullpen. The team finished in second place both years, missing the playoffs before there was a wild card.
@@plawson8577 and forced the Astros to move from the NL to the AL instead of his beloved Brewers having to move BACK from the NL to the AL where they started. Hey, it worked out okay in the end... kinda.
Before they won their first World Series, the Houston Astros were basically the San Jose Sharks of the MLB. Consistently in the playoffs year-by-year, loaded with talent especially having two Hall of Fame caliber players, and yet no rings even with 1 Finals appearance
I'd love a video about Yutaka Fukumoto, NPB's all-time leader in stolen bases with 1065 and the former world record holder before he was passed by Rickey Henderson.
@@DarkClouds-v8 could have been 2 had Hinch thrown out Cole in the 7th rather then waiting to (and then not using him) in game 7 of the 2019 World Series
@@fries5849 could have been 3 if Beltran hadn't left us for the Mets after 2004. You take the 2004 Astros offense and put it with the 2005 Astros pitching and you get 1 WS in 2005 (against the Chi Sox or anyone).
@@1TightMinuteas an Astros fan. The best single season 1-2 since Johnson Schilling and on top of that Greinke. Plus an ALCS lineup that went 1. George Springer 2. Micheal Brantley 3. Jose Altuve 4. Alex Bregman 5. Yordan Alvarez 6. Yuli Gurriel 7. Carlos Correa 8. Kyle Tucker 9. Robinson Chirinos It's baffling how good this was. Carlos Correa at 7th is just. Wow. The top 2 AL Cy Young Pitchers (#3 was Charlie Morton who was on the team the year before), 4 top 20 AL MVP finishes, Rookie of the Year.
As a HUGE Astros fan, I am upset about this loss, even though I wasn’t even around at that time, but I know a lot about these Astros and their history, just wish Bagwell and Biggio won a ring
I was around at the time, and it was painful. I was following along with 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 seasons... went to more games per season than I ever had before or since in my life... lived and died with the team every week... those Octobers were on the one hand great and on the other hand crushing. In the end, settling for the first NL Pennant in team history after 44 years was... the silver lining to our stormcloud.
Clemens was an amazing pitcher if you watched him day-to-day. His generalship of the infield was something to behold. He made everybody around him better
The boomers still gonna say “you still have to throw the ball” to Clemens dominating the league at 41 throwing that much 😂😂. Steroids did that. Without them he’s on decline at 31 and washed by 35
Brad Lidge was nasty out that bullpen as a closer Friendly reminder. The 69/70 Orioles hard 4 starters that won 20 games in the regular season also winning the WS in 70
Also, the '71 squad, which lost the WS to the Pirates, had four pitchers with at least 20 wins apiece. Mike Cuellar, Pat Dobson, and Jim Palmer had 20 each, and Dave McNally had 21. They lost the series 4 games to 3. They lost it 4 games to 1 to the Mets in '69 and beat the Reds 4 games to 1 in '70.
Fact is, George Steinbrenner had oddly decided that he didn't want Pettitte back, and offered less than Houston did. George always had a thing about knocking his own players while coveting everyone else's. True to form, he broke the bank in order to bring Pettitte back to New York after the three year Houston contract expired.
I would like to see _any_ evidence - I mean anything at all - that Pettitte's decision to sign with Houston was to save his marriage, or that Willie going to the Mets had anything to do with his own marriage. I am a baseball historian as a hobby, and have never heard either claim, nor can I find a single reference to either claim online.
don't forget about the 1986 Houston Astros that had the triple threat Mike Scott, Nolan Ryan, and Bob Knepper. Lost a heartbreaking 4-2 series to the Mets including a white knuckled 7-6 16 inning loss in Game 6.
The Astros had a great staff throughout the 80s too. Some of the pitchers over the decade... Mike Scott, Nolan Ryan, Joe Niekro, Don Sutton, JR Richard, Joe Sambito, Dave Smith, Ken Forsch, Bob Knepper, Joaquin Andujar, Vern Ruhle, Jim Deshaies, Charlie Kerfeld, Danny Darwin, Larry Anderson, Jeff Calhoun, ... they had different combinations of those guys throughout the decade. In 1980, they maybe had the most potential. If JR Richard hadn't had the stroke... Ryan, Richard (ERA under 2 before the stroke), Niekro (who did win 20 that year), Forsch, and Ruhle. They also had future Cy Young pitcher Andujar (although he won it in St. Louis) and dominant closers in Sambito and Smith.
Stealing signs is only cheating if they use some sort of technology to aid them. Otherwise stealing signs is just a part of the game, it's the responsibility of the pitcher and catcher to change up the signs if the other team has figured them out.
@@Trumpisscum-420Of Course. It’s why the White Sox have been so awful for years. They truly suck. Couldn’t even make the Pennant in 2006 and have FAILED miserably in making the World Series for almost 18 years.
I gotta say I know that 2005 World Series is considered to be one of the most boring Fall Classic in recent modern history but I loved the pitching from both sides of the White Sox and the Astros during that series. Granted the offense ,or lackthereof, didn’t help the Astros at all that series.
@@ericbush4701favorite World Series game for me call it my white Sox bias fine with me but the konerko granny and then Scotty pods walking it off will forever be ingrained in my mind
Such an incredible rotation, but maybe the most underrated part of these teams was Lance Berkman. He slashed .300/.413/.559 with a .972 OPS and 148 OPS+ in the 2000s. In the 2004 and 2005 playoffs, he slashed an absurd .340/.453/.617 with a 1.070. In that 2005 World Series, he slashed .385/.526/.538 with 6 RBIs, becoming the 4th player to have the highest WPA and cWPA in a World Series despite not winning. All in all, he was an incredible force for an otherwise-mediocre Astros offense
I loved Biggio and Bagwell, but Berkman was my favorite hitter on the Astros in the early-mid 2000s. If only Beltran and Boras hadn't gone off to the NY Mets in the offseason... 2005 coulda been different.
@@gfox9295also having Beltran in 06 probably puts them over St Louis for the division title and considering a mediocre pitching staff like the 06 Cards bullshitted their way to a title that year, Astros could've very easily done the same.
@@SmoothCriminal12 winning it all in both 2005 AND 2006? 2/2 in WS after not having ever been to one from the 60s to 2004? It's possible, but this Astros fan would have been happy (hell, overjoyed) with just one of the two. ;)
The 2005 White Sox had a starting rotation of Contreas / Garcia / Buehrle / Garland, plus a decent bullpen and one of the best closers that year - Bobby Jenks. The Astros had a disgusting 3-man rotation but the Sox staff was definitely better, with a competent offense.
Yo Jolly Olive I see you. Always outside in the TH-cam STREETS doin them thangs. Happy for you man, you deserve all the success you’ve got coming to you!
awesome video, Im an Astros fan for life, and was dissappointed when those National League Astros didnt win in 2005, I was working at the White Sox Hotel when they beat my favorite team, it wasnt fun believe me, but those were my favorite of the many astros teams that included Roger Clemens, Andy Pettite and Roy Oswalt.
I cheered for the White Sox in 05 because they had 3 Missouri guys on the team ( Buehrle, Crede, Politte) and I was pissed that the Cardinals had lost to Houston. Crede has a son that will be a freshman next year. I'll be going to a game first chance I get.
With the new mlb rules, this may never happen again. Goodness good SPs will be a very rare breed soon! 7-9 IPs / 100+ pitchers are now considered a luxury!!
Gotta admit, I miss those burgundy jerseys. In fact, I love everything about their previous logo and wordmark. Wish they would revert to these for some retro nights.
Great breakdown Jolly! A lot of analysts & broadcasters keep forgetting to mention why the Astros traded Billy Wagner in 2003. For additional details regarding @2:12 I watched that Wagner postgame interview in 2003, he was disappointed that the Astros didn’t sign that year’s 18-game winner SP Woody Williams. So sad the Astros’ front office got butt-hurt from this & traded Wagner for 3 Phillies subpar players. Wagner, after all, headed that 2003 bullpen, which no-hit the Yankees @ Yankee Stadium (1st time since 1958). They wouldnt have the same bullpen woes in the 2004 postseason. That 2004 lineup was far better than 2005’s WS bound team.
The 2019 astros trio was ridiculous, Greinke was great but Cole and Verlander were ridiculous and were two of the three best pitchers in the league that year behind Degrom (2019 Cole is one of the most disgusting pitchers I’ve ever seen he should have won the cy young imo)
@@gfox9295It might've also been to make up for screwing Verlander in 2016 when they picked Rick Porcello over him. Even as a Red Sox fan that was hilariously dumb.
I worked for the Astros in Florida at their Spring Training facility in Kissimmee, Florida. I have a signed baseball that had Jose Cruz, Bagwell, Berkman, Oswalt, Clemens, and the then owners autographs. Petitte refused to sign the ball when Oswalt threw it to him for me to sign and he said “get that shit way from me I don’t have f-cking time” so Roy wrote in Andy’s name with a mean face 😂. Roger is one of the nicest players I have ever met, on a few occasions he actually brought us donuts and coffee when he arrived and would shoot the sh-t with us every now and then. For me it was awesome because I grew up a Yankees fan, and lucked out to get a job working for the Astros the season he was there. Rogers son also played for the Astros minor league sqaud too and was super nice too.
my best friend found an old statis pro baseball game from 1980 at a garage sale , the 1980 and 81 astros staff was outstanding. jr richard, ryan,joe niekro, don sutton, ken forsh and vern ruhle were all good.
As a cards fan, the 2004 playoffs were the first year I really got into baseball. God I hated the Astros, but I hold those 2 years as some of the best playoff baseball I’ve ever watched. They really had some great teams, thanks for bringing back some memories!
The Astros could not win during those years because they would strand 3-4x more runners than they could get across the plate. In typical Houston sports fashion, Drayton McLane would hire aging big names at the ends of their careers. Carlos Lee was a prime example. They had enough talent to keep fans in the seat to pay the salaries and the newly-built Minute Maid Park, but they were just a little better than average with the exception of a couple of postseason runs.
The reference to Roger Clemens being great in the postseason irked me. Clemens was a dog in the postseason for the first decade of his career. It only changed when he went on steroids.
Verlander, Scherzer, Price, Sanchez, Porcello. The 2014 Tigers rotation has 8 Cy Youngs, 5 ERA titles, A Triple Crown, An MVP, and lead the league in Strikeouts 9 times. As a Tigers fan I still want to vomit thinking about how we wasted this.
And all of them would eventually get a ring, but not with the Tigers.
2012-2014 were all stacked
DAMN
Bad year for Verlander that year. I think that was one of his 4.50 ERA years
Man I forgot about that rotation. All elite starters in their rights just to get swept in the playoffs.
It's insane how extremely underrated Roy Oswalt is.
Roy was awesome!
And he was on the true best pitching rotation eve, the 2011 Phillies.
@@nobeardthepirate9172*laughs in Cardinals devil magic*
@@CheeseMasterSports Laughs in trading Zac Gallen and Sandy Alcantra for Marcell Ozuna rental.
(Im only laughing because im a cardinals fan and it prevents me from crying)
He pretty much stopped pitching at the age of 33, he had a few starts after, but injuries had already taken their toll...and he STILL has over a 50 WAR. Not a HOFer, but one of my favorite MLB players of all time; he was immensely-skilled, yet humble, and he always battled out there.
Its a shame Oswalt never won a ring, he is extremely underrated as a pitcher. When I was a kid I loved watching the Wizard work his magic curveball and was sad to see us let him go along with Berkman
He wasn’t alone, Don Sutton was an underrated pitcher that was great in the 70s and lost all WSs. He ended his career in 1988.
@@therealjaystone2344 i guess you could say the same thing about all of the Astros greats during the 70s, 80s, 90s. Crazy how you could be top of the line and never win anything. My dad legitimately thought he wouldn't live to see the Astros win a world series
That 12-6 curve of his was unhitable
I think this just makes the '05 White Sox run all the more impressive. Swept the defending champion Red Sox, beat the Angels in 5, then swept a team with one of the greatest starting rotations ever to win the World Series. Greatest playoff team ever, if not greatest one year wonder ever.
same thoughts here. Clemens only pitched 2 innings in the 2005 WS and gave up 3 runs.
As a Braves fan, honorable mention to the Big Three of Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz only winning ONE during a decade long dynasty
Honerable mention? That’s 3 first ballad hall of famers. These three aren’t really close to them
Best 3 starting rotation of all time. I’m not a Braves fan, but loved watching them in the 90s. Kind of a shame they only won one and came up short so many times, they won that division like every year.
And they always had a good number 4 toon like Steve Avery denny Nagel or even Mike Hampton
I’m just here to mention that the 2011 Phillies had Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels, and Roy Oswalt, and got eliminated in the first round of the playoffs…
Roy O wasn’t the same in philly
Can't believe you left out vance worley. UK legend
As a Phillies fan that was a bad dream come to life watching those playoffs
@@naznas1535 You’re right! How could I forget the Vanimal?!? Minnesota Twins legend too. I’ll never forget his 79 pitch first inning against the Mets where they batted around and scored 11 runs🤣
Pretty sure they had all of them the year after too and went 81-81
This video perfectly encapsulates the 2012-2014 Detroit Tigers except that they had even more pitching, one of the top offenses in the league, but the bullpen blew games and the bats went quiet when we needed them the most (the 2012 WS sweep and 2014 ALDS). The 2013 rotation is arguably one of the best rotations assembled for a team ever and it can be argued that it got even better in 2014.
As a Phillies fan seeing the rotation of Doc, Cliff, Oswalt, & Hammels not win a World Series still eats at my soul why couldn’t the world see Doc win a World Series bruh
I’m similarly sad as a former Cleveland Indians fan. I didn’t spend 35 years (I’m 40) idolizing the Guardians; I don’t know who that team is so I stopped caring.
The Tribe getting reverse swept in the WS against the Cubs was the last thing I ever watched on TV with my dad (RIP) before he passed. Born in 1950, he never saw his beloved Browns win a Super Bowl nor the Indians win the World Series. Cleveland’s teams that lost two WS in the ‘90s were legendary teams. Vizquel, Thome, Belle, Baerga, my personal childhood idol Kenny Lofton… later on that team fielded some of the best players of the last few decades. Sizemore was a HOF talent whose reckless outfield play cut his career short. So many Cy Young winners were of course traded away. But while most baseball fans remember Sabathia as the long-time Yankees ace, he was perhaps the best pitcher ever to take the mound for the Tribe in my lifetime.
So many talented rosters, magical seasons, elite pitchers, bats, fielders… and nothing to show for it. And now they’re gone forever. I dunno who these Guardian people are but they don’t mean a dang thing to me.
I think in hindsight winning in Citizens Bank Park with your pitching staff is hard. That’s not what the ‘08 team was about. Obviously Hamels was great, Brett Myers was okay, and Moyer was an aging wonder. But really it was having a great bullpen of Madson and Lidge combined with the 1-6 being gangbusters.
@@jluchette Such a bizarre overreaction to a name change. I bet A's fans would kill to have just their name change, not leave town.
@@IcePlaysIs it? If the last team you watched with your father before he died changed their name, you might have some emotions about.
@@nobeardthepirate9172 If all the players of the team I and my family enjoy were suddenly wearing a hat with a different logo on it I don't think I'd throw a temper-tantrum.
Hey Jolly!
Ironically the most recent team to have three pitchers with 200+ innings and sub-3.00 ERA is the 2019 Astros. They also lost the World Series.
dont let this make you forget the Phillies once had Roy Halladay, Roy Oswalt, Cliff Lee, and Cole Hamels
Mayneeeeeeeee
That was mentioned in the video, yes.
I have fond memories of watching the 2005 Astros playoff chase when I was in college. I remember watching the Game 4 grand slam by LaRoche as I was leaving for a shift in the movie theater where I worked at the time and thinking that the series would be heading to a Game 5, only to find that Houston pulled it off by the time I came back.
It was a special time, but when I consider that Jolly was only six years old when all this was going down that makes me feel really old.
You were in college in 2005? You make me feel old 😂
yeah, was gonna say. I was already 28 by the 2005 MLB postseason. But yes, Jolly Olive can make us all feel old, if that's what he wants. ;D
@@gfox9295
And you also make me feel old. I can vaguely - very vaguely - recall the 1979 World Series, when we were laughing at the one guy we knew who took Pittsburgh. After all, the Orioles were up 3 games to 1. And then the Pirates won the last three games of the World Series.
I was 8 years old.
I'm obsessed with the legacy of pitching rotations, so thanks for doing this video. It was really insightful. BTW I really like the piano track you used towards the end of the video, and have used in your other videos. Has a very nostalgic flavor to it.
Thanks! Spent some time curating the music for this one so I appreciate your comment.
2005 was the year I, a Houstonian, got into baseball. Them getting swept in the World Series completely broke seven-year-old me. Looking back now, with how we’ve been absolutely spoiled with playoff riches the past eight years, I can look back and appreciate this a lot more. I’m mostly satisfied that Biggio and Bagwell even made the Fall Classic at all considering how many of the greats never even did that, and I’m also really happy for the Southside finally breaking the Black Sox Curse as doing so was simply an important moment for baseball, no other way around it.
Manfred did ya’ll a favor.
@@plawson8577 Manfred scapegoated us lol. Tried to sweep everything under the rug, then when he couldn’t, just threw us under the bus. Screw him
@@notsauerHe did the opposite. The fact y'all got to keep the 2017 title in itself is a slap on the wrist and was doing y'all a favor.
@@niclazzari2309 only reason he couldn’t punish the players was because baseball has the strongest players association in all of sports, and he did the max punishment allowed by the collective bargaining agreement. Also seriously, revoking a title??? The NFL didn’t do that to the Patriots for SpyGate.
Edit: the rest of the league was doing it too, multiple current and former MLB players are on record saying it wasn’t only the Astros. Lucas Giolito, Steven Souza, Joey Votto, Erik Kratz, and even the original rat, Mike Fiers.
@@notsauer I'm aware that the players union is quite strong and makes it difficult for the league to punish players, and that the team fine was the maximum allowed per the rules. I didn't bring up those points for that very reason. Nonetheless the fact that he didn't take the "pieces of metal" as he puts it shows he went easy on the Astros. Literally every team would take the trade of a WS title in exchange for $5 million, a couple draft picks, and some bad press, don't act like that was much a punishment at all. Congrats on winning the division this year by the way.
Great video. I remember that 2005 World Series as the first playoff baseball I really watched. Just seemed like the white Sox had the more reliable bats
I was a young kid when the 04-06 teams were contenders but still remember watching every game I could with my dad and grandpa. It’s nice to relive some of my childhood with the knowledge I have now. Great video!
LOL, I clicked on this thinking he was going to talk about the 1985 Astros. Mike Scott, Nolan Ryan, Bob Knepper, with Dave Smith closing. At least I got the team right. I guess the Astros history (before recently) can be summed up with: Great pitchers -- noodle bats.
As a lifelong Rangers fan who grew up watching Darren Oliver pitching for us, I am absolutely here for Darren Oliver references and support there being more of them.
I second this, & as a rangers fan this is different cause the 05 team got beat by this white sox team IIRC
Same. I really wanted to see him get the save in that game 6 of the 2011 WS
Ironically Oliver was actually on the 04 Astros roster in the second half of the season, but ultimately didn't play in the postseason.
Damn, Roy Oswalt. I remember trading for him in MVP Baseball 05 & taking the Orioles to the WS
Chicago's big four of Mark Buehrle, Freddy Garcia, Jose Contreras and Jon Garland was an absolute force in the 2005 playoffs. They all had ERAs between 3 and 4 in the regular season, which is good, but turned it up in the playoffs where they combined for a sub-3 ERA. Each of them pitched at least 7 innings in the 4 WS games, not giving up more than 4 runs in any game.
In the LCS, the starting pitching was so good, the Sox only used the bullpen for 2/3s of an inning... Yes I am serious.
@@SmoothCriminal12 meanwhile there hasn't been a single playoff complete game since 2017.
The Astros big 3 owe a lot of their success to the defense of Adam Everett, who had some of the greatest defensive shortstop seasons of the 2000s, including a 4 dWAR season in 2006.
I know he was a great SS but he was always an out. That bottom 3 of Asmus, Everett and the pitcher were guaranteed outs.
I remember voting for him a bunch on the all star team that season.
@@gbpg2016 He had a .242 career average these days thats like league average and $10 million per year
Clemens and Pettitte were all steroids. No way they'd have been very good at that age in 2005 natty. Thankfully the White Sox trashed that team.
Not to mention Ausmus's ability to call games and provide emotional support to the staff, those two were both pivotal to the success of that team, even if they were well below average ovvensively.
Any time the 2005 White Sox are mentioned in a video is a good video
I'd love to see jolly do a video on Coco Crisp. never made an all star team & never won a gold glove despite making some of the nicest plays I've ever seen in the outfield. his hitting was pretty average overall but he had a few really good offensive seasons and could steal bases. underrated player
And his name sounds like a breakfast cereal 😃
The Athletics big 3 of Tim Hudson, Barry Zito and Mark Mulder shouldn't be forgotten either as those teams weren't able to reach the world series
and Isringhausen closing
As an Astros fan, I was spoiled to grow and see guys like Clemens, Pettitte and Oswalt in the rotation, while Berkman, Biggio, Bagwell (killer B's anyone?) led the offense.
It's weird how people forget the 2005 White Sox and their title seems to be an afterthought. Despite the sweep, it was a close and interesting series to watch.
I wonder how different things may have been if Albert Pujols didn't hit that mammoth HR in Game 5 of the NLCS, which effectively ruined Brad Lidge for the next 2 years.
It really was a great series despite it being a sweep. Game 2 is the greatest baseball game Ive ever seen in my life. Game 3 went likes 16 innings and Buehrle had to come in and pitch after drinking on the bench all night. And game 4 went down to the wire too. I am a Sox fan so I am biased, but that series was amazing.
I find it a bit ironic that 2005 is so overshadowed by 2004, despite the White Sox’s drought ending at 2 seasons more than that of the Red Sox. I guess the Black Sox curse was overshadowed by the Bambino and Billy Goat
Because it was an Illegitimate Title. It was FIXED for the White Sox by Bud Selig. I love the fact how majority of the WS was Extra Innings games. It was a CHEAT. The Umpires were Awful too. Complete Cheapskates.
We were sooo spoiled. Not only did we have great players, but they also put up all time great seasons while donning the H. Clemens with a 1.87 ERA, Biggio with a 50 double, 50 SB season, and Bagwell in 94 putting up one of the greatest seasons ever slugging .750 in the most extreme pitchers park in baseball history.
Sometimes I feel bad when I hear fans of other teams or generations talk highly of the guys they grew up watching like a Brian Giles, or a Mike Mussina, and they’re fine players, but they never dominated the game the way our guys did during the Killer B’s era
My comment about the killer B's (Derek Bell anyone?) as a cubs fan is Kerry Woods 20K game. I hated that I liked the astros in that era. Biggio is still one of my top 3 second baseman of all time.
Okay that commercial Roger and Andy did was adorable
Andy Pettite was part of that 1996 team, too, so he was a part of 4* Championship teams prior to heading to the Astros.
4:20 HEB goes hard af, where my fellow Texans at?
HEB and the Astros... name a more iconic duo... eh... on second thought, nah. ;)
5th in the NL central on 07/25/04... but who was LAST in that six-team abomination of a division, Jolly? Yer damn right, the Pirates! Oliver "I burnt them again" Perez, Kip Wells, Rob Mackowiak... Put 'em in the East and they're CHAMPS, Jolly!
Bravo! 2005 was a magical year! I saw Pettite pitch against Pittsburgh in 06'. Keep up the great work bruddah
The whitesox guys (especially starting pitching) all had career years, and locked in in that playoff run. Probably the least amount of allstars/hall of famers to ever win a WS
I think Frank Thomas is the only guy who made the HOF from that team but I don’t think he played much, if at all, due to injury.
Great vid. Wish Roy-O wouldn't have left.
At one point, peak Johan Santana and Francisco Liriano was a beast one-two starting pitching combination along with a prime Joe Mauer and Justin Morneau on offense. The Twins odds to ring was something like 25-1 and I put money on it. Sadly, both pitchers were derailed by injuries and I never got to see if it would come to fruition with them being healthy.
"Scott Podsednik of all people" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 That got me lol.
I do love this team. Oswalt has always been overlooked. That 2019 Astros rotation though......man. That entire roster was ridiculous.
Why 2019 Astros?
Mets fan here, that picture always makes me laugh and cry at the same time. Laugh because big sexy is there with the fireballers and cry because they’re all gone and they underachieved
Nice to see someone who acknowledges the existence of the 2005 White Sox.
I've really enjoyed the inclusion of commercials into these episodes. The dropped calls one I was familiar with, but the lefty reliever was unknown to me.
Same (that I enjoyed the commercials, but also same that I remember the dropped call ad but don't remember the HEB lefty ad... funny, too, since the HEB ads of the past 6+ years are so prominent nowadays).
I remember Clemens returning to the Yankees, announcing it via Jumbotron. The Yankees fans went wild, expecting a World Series win. Supposedly, it was between returning to New York or Boston. He chose New York and Boston won the World Series.
Albeit most of rotation had rings from previous championship teams. The 2021 Dodgers have to be mentioned. 7 cy youngs- Scherzer, Kershaw, Price, a 20 game winner in Urías, a top 5 cy young voted Buehler, up and coming all star Gonsolin. That rotation was stacked.
seriously 2021 david price? not sure what the point of mentioning awards guys won in other years is. it's just misleading at best. kershaw was a solid above average pitcher in 2021. the fact he was the best pitcher in baseball 5+ years earlier isn't helping them in 2021. they had a good not great rotation in 2021.
Nah that rotation was great. Most of theml sported eras in the 2's and Price was an option player at that point but a good option to have. Dustin May and Corey Knebel were also great in that rotation plus Trevor Bauer was looking like the Cy Young pick the first half of the season before he ran into his off field troubles.
@@eamonkelley3811 no it wasn't great look what they did that year not cy youngs from many years earlier. it was definitely good but not what you make it out to be.
All 5 members of the 2011 Phillies rotation posted an ERA+ over 100, as did their top 5 arms out of the bullpen. The rotation of Roy Halladay (163), Cliff Lee (160), Cole Hamels (137), Roy Oswalt (104), and Vance Worley (127) set the table. Coming out of the bullpen were Kyle Kendrick (119), Michael Stutes (106), Antonio Bastardo (146), and David Herndon (116), with Ryan Madson closing (162) after Brad Lidge went on the disabled list. Kyle Kendrick was also the Phillies' spot starter, starting 15 games during the season (mainly as a fill-in for Oswalt when he injured his back).
The Phillies lost the NLDS 3-2 to the eventual champion Cardinals. "1-bloody-nil" to those that know.
Felix Hernandez, Cliff Lee, Erik Bedard. Mariners. Bedard was injured, but there was a reason for the trade with him. Dude was a beast if healthy
I was surprised how quickly Oswalt was able to get to 50 WAR, and if injuries did not take their toll on him he would probably be in the HOF conversation. One of the best, yet underrated and humble pitchers of a generation, the type of guy who would rather spend time on his farm rather than living the high life. Heck, the reason he stayed an Astro is because they literally bought him a bulldozer (which he could use to work his farmland) along with their cash offer.
The Expos 1994 rotation and bullpen deserves a shoutout.
Roy Oswalt, Lance Berkman, Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio... What a team... I really enjoyed watching those 00s Astros play.. And their uniforms during that era were so so much better then what they have now..
Eh, the blue tops with the rainbow stripes under the arms is a pretty good uniform these days.
But yes, I liked the dark red brick outfits as well. A lot of Astros fans seemed to hate those, tho.
@@gfox9295 I really loved the red brick and the late 90s blue and gold
The 1989 and 1990 Mets had Dwight Gooden, Frank Viola, David Cone, Sid Fernandez, Ron Darling and Bob Ojeda. That's six major starters, which forced Ojeda and Darling to take turns coming out of the bullpen. The team finished in second place both years, missing the playoffs before there was a wild card.
I was at game 4 of that 2005 World Series... thanks for opening up old wounds, man.
Selig Hated the Astros so much. He was determined for them to lose.
@@plawson8577 and forced the Astros to move from the NL to the AL instead of his beloved Brewers having to move BACK from the NL to the AL where they started.
Hey, it worked out okay in the end... kinda.
Before they won their first World Series, the Houston Astros were basically the San Jose Sharks of the MLB. Consistently in the playoffs year-by-year, loaded with talent especially having two Hall of Fame caliber players, and yet no rings even with 1 Finals appearance
I'd love a video about Yutaka Fukumoto, NPB's all-time leader in stolen bases with 1065 and the former world record holder before he was passed by Rickey Henderson.
Verlander, Cole, and Grienke hurt a lot as a stros fan 😢
At least you guys got one World Series that counted !
@@DarkClouds-v8 could have been 2 had Hinch thrown out Cole in the 7th rather then waiting to (and then not using him) in game 7 of the 2019 World Series
@@fries5849 could have been 3 if Beltran hadn't left us for the Mets after 2004. You take the 2004 Astros offense and put it with the 2005 Astros pitching and you get 1 WS in 2005 (against the Chi Sox or anyone).
2019 Cole McCullers grienke Morton verlander.
@@1TightMinuteas an Astros fan. The best single season 1-2 since Johnson Schilling and on top of that Greinke. Plus an ALCS lineup that went
1. George Springer
2. Micheal Brantley
3. Jose Altuve
4. Alex Bregman
5. Yordan Alvarez
6. Yuli Gurriel
7. Carlos Correa
8. Kyle Tucker
9. Robinson Chirinos
It's baffling how good this was. Carlos Correa at 7th is just. Wow.
The top 2 AL Cy Young Pitchers (#3 was Charlie Morton who was on the team the year before), 4 top 20 AL MVP finishes, Rookie of the Year.
As a HUGE Astros fan, I am upset about this loss, even though I wasn’t even around at that time, but I know a lot about these Astros and their history, just wish Bagwell and Biggio won a ring
I was around at the time, and it was painful. I was following along with 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 seasons... went to more games per season than I ever had before or since in my life... lived and died with the team every week... those Octobers were on the one hand great and on the other hand crushing.
In the end, settling for the first NL Pennant in team history after 44 years was... the silver lining to our stormcloud.
This was dope.
You could argue that Andy was a better pitcher during his time in Houston. Albeit, a shorter tenure. thank you!
2019 Astros is crazy to me.
Gerrit Cole
Justin Verlander
Zach Greinke
Clemens was an amazing pitcher if you watched him day-to-day. His generalship of the infield was something to behold. He made everybody around him better
The boomers still gonna say “you still have to throw the ball” to Clemens dominating the league at 41 throwing that much 😂😂. Steroids did that. Without them he’s on decline at 31 and washed by 35
Brad Lidge was nasty out that bullpen as a closer
Friendly reminder. The 69/70 Orioles hard 4 starters that won 20 games in the regular season also winning the WS in 70
Also, the '71 squad, which lost the WS to the Pirates, had four pitchers with at least 20 wins apiece. Mike Cuellar, Pat Dobson, and Jim Palmer had 20 each, and Dave McNally had 21. They lost the series 4 games to 3. They lost it 4 games to 1 to the Mets in '69 and beat the Reds 4 games to 1 in '70.
2009 Phillies.
Halladay/Hamels/Oswalt.
A nasty offense to go along.
Incredible that group only won 1 WS.
A factor in Pettitte’s decision to leave New York and join his hometown Houston Astros was to save his marriage
Sometimes people are faced with those decisions in life.
@@SamtheBravesFanGretzky too
Fact is, George Steinbrenner had oddly decided that he didn't want Pettitte back, and offered less than Houston did. George always had a thing about knocking his own players while coveting everyone else's. True to form, he broke the bank in order to bring Pettitte back to New York after the three year Houston contract expired.
Willie Mays too. His wife wanted to move back to Harlem.
I would like to see _any_ evidence - I mean anything at all - that Pettitte's decision to sign with Houston was to save his marriage, or that Willie going to the Mets had anything to do with his own marriage. I am a baseball historian as a hobby, and have never heard either claim, nor can I find a single reference to either claim online.
Literally know it, but every time I hear roger Clemens won 7 cy youngs I still am mind blown lol
don't forget about the 1986 Houston Astros that had the triple threat Mike Scott, Nolan Ryan, and Bob Knepper. Lost a heartbreaking 4-2 series to the Mets including a white knuckled 7-6 16 inning loss in Game 6.
Yep. That was the first big Astros postseason memory from my childhood, since I was too young to really remember the 1980/1981 stuff.
The Astros had a great staff throughout the 80s too. Some of the pitchers over the decade... Mike Scott, Nolan Ryan, Joe Niekro, Don Sutton, JR Richard, Joe Sambito, Dave Smith, Ken Forsch, Bob Knepper, Joaquin Andujar, Vern Ruhle, Jim Deshaies, Charlie Kerfeld, Danny Darwin, Larry Anderson, Jeff Calhoun, ... they had different combinations of those guys throughout the decade.
In 1980, they maybe had the most potential. If JR Richard hadn't had the stroke... Ryan, Richard (ERA under 2 before the stroke), Niekro (who did win 20 that year), Forsch, and Ruhle. They also had future Cy Young pitcher Andujar (although he won it in St. Louis) and dominant closers in Sambito and Smith.
go on somewhere with that 80s Astros starting pitching roll call nonsense. aint nobody got time for all that.
Uh, forgot Doug Drabek (it's his birthday today!)
All you gotta do is say... 1980, 1981, 1986. What coulda been.
btw, the manager of that 05 white sox team said in a nbc sports interview they cheated and stole signs from the Astros in that WS.
Stealing signs is only cheating if they use some sort of technology to aid them. Otherwise stealing signs is just a part of the game, it's the responsibility of the pitcher and catcher to change up the signs if the other team has figured them out.
Of Course they did. Selig LET them. He didn’t care. He already allowed them to buy that World Series.
@@Trumpisscum-420Of Course. It’s why the White Sox have been so awful for years. They truly suck. Couldn’t even make the Pennant in 2006 and have FAILED miserably in making the World Series for almost 18 years.
Do the 2007 Yankees. My favorite team and was an absolute circus of a year.
Why did you love the 2007 NY Yankees?
I gotta say I know that 2005 World Series is considered to be one of the most boring Fall Classic in recent modern history but I loved the pitching from both sides of the White Sox and the Astros during that series. Granted the offense ,or lackthereof, didn’t help the Astros at all that series.
Game 2 is my least favorite game, ever. Jermaine Dye didn't earn Matt Holliday never touching home status because it was a sweep.
I was there for game 4. I want to forget that ever happened
@@ryanupchurch9683 you can never tell me Orlando Palmeiro wasn't safe
Fun fact: From 2005-2008, we had eight different teams in the Fall Classic, and I believe 15 different teams in the LCS.
@@ericbush4701favorite World Series game for me call it my white Sox bias fine with me but the konerko granny and then Scotty pods walking it off will forever be ingrained in my mind
2014 Tigers Verlander, Scherzer, Price, Sanchez, Porcello
2011 Phillies: Halladay, Lee, Oswalt, Hamels
Hudson, Mulder, Zito, Harden was pretty sick
Such an incredible rotation, but maybe the most underrated part of these teams was Lance Berkman. He slashed .300/.413/.559 with a .972 OPS and 148 OPS+ in the 2000s. In the 2004 and 2005 playoffs, he slashed an absurd .340/.453/.617 with a 1.070. In that 2005 World Series, he slashed .385/.526/.538 with 6 RBIs, becoming the 4th player to have the highest WPA and cWPA in a World Series despite not winning. All in all, he was an incredible force for an otherwise-mediocre Astros offense
I loved Biggio and Bagwell, but Berkman was my favorite hitter on the Astros in the early-mid 2000s. If only Beltran and Boras hadn't gone off to the NY Mets in the offseason... 2005 coulda been different.
@@gfox9295also having Beltran in 06 probably puts them over St Louis for the division title and considering a mediocre pitching staff like the 06 Cards bullshitted their way to a title that year, Astros could've very easily done the same.
@@SmoothCriminal12 winning it all in both 2005 AND 2006? 2/2 in WS after not having ever been to one from the 60s to 2004?
It's possible, but this Astros fan would have been happy (hell, overjoyed) with just one of the two. ;)
Thank you for making this glorious video that showed 2005 White Sox dominance! That was truly a team of destiny!
The White Sox don't get anywhere near the respect they earned that year.
It's criminal how little respect they get.
winning every post season game but one. One of the most dominant seasons and postseasons ever
The 2005 White Sox had a starting rotation of Contreas / Garcia / Buehrle / Garland, plus a decent bullpen and one of the best closers that year - Bobby Jenks.
The Astros had a disgusting 3-man rotation but the Sox staff was definitely better, with a competent offense.
Yo Jolly Olive I see you. Always outside in the TH-cam STREETS doin them thangs. Happy for you man, you deserve all the success you’ve got coming to you!
8:25 wtf, core memory unlocked. I remember seeing that Clemens commercial over and over again lol
awesome video, Im an Astros fan for life, and was dissappointed when those National League Astros didnt win in 2005, I was working at the White Sox Hotel when they beat my favorite team, it wasnt fun believe me, but those were my favorite of the many astros teams that included Roger Clemens, Andy Pettite and Roy Oswalt.
I cheered for the White Sox in 05 because they had 3 Missouri guys on the team ( Buehrle, Crede, Politte) and I was pissed that the Cardinals had lost to Houston. Crede has a son that will be a freshman next year. I'll be going to a game first chance I get.
Life long Astros fan this era was my prime childhood days thx for making this
Roger Clemens’ Brett Favre career end is so funny
Great vid Jolly! Your presenting skills are getting really good.
2013 Tigers: Verlander, Scherzer, Sanchez, Fister, and Porcello, when sanchez was AL ERA leader and Ricky P was the number 5 guy and went 13-8.
With the new mlb rules, this may never happen again. Goodness good SPs will be a very rare breed soon! 7-9 IPs / 100+ pitchers are now considered a luxury!!
Gotta admit, I miss those burgundy jerseys. In fact, I love everything about their previous logo and wordmark. Wish they would revert to these for some retro nights.
Great breakdown Jolly! A lot of analysts & broadcasters keep forgetting to mention why the Astros traded Billy Wagner in 2003. For additional details regarding @2:12 I watched that Wagner postgame interview in 2003, he was disappointed that the Astros didn’t sign that year’s 18-game winner SP Woody Williams.
So sad the Astros’ front office got butt-hurt from this & traded Wagner for 3 Phillies subpar players. Wagner, after all, headed that 2003 bullpen, which no-hit the Yankees @ Yankee Stadium (1st time since 1958). They wouldnt have the same bullpen woes in the 2004 postseason. That 2004 lineup was far better than 2005’s WS bound team.
Nobody mentions the 2021 Brewers rotation. But the worst guy in that starting 5 had an ERA of 3.22 and yet that amounted to 1 playoff win.
Why is that?
16:22 Brady Singer, Kris Bubic, Daniel Lynch... watch out MLB (I'm hilariously laughing as I type this don't worry).
The 2019 astros trio was ridiculous, Greinke was great but Cole and Verlander were ridiculous and were two of the three best pitchers in the league that year behind Degrom (2019 Cole is one of the most disgusting pitchers I’ve ever seen he should have won the cy young imo)
Cole was pretty damned good in 2019. Can't read the mind of the voters, but I think maybe Verlander's no hitter played into him coming out on top.
@@gfox9295It might've also been to make up for screwing Verlander in 2016 when they picked Rick Porcello over him. Even as a Red Sox fan that was hilariously dumb.
I worked for the Astros in Florida at their Spring Training facility in Kissimmee, Florida. I have a signed baseball that had Jose Cruz, Bagwell, Berkman, Oswalt, Clemens, and the then owners autographs. Petitte refused to sign the ball when Oswalt threw it to him for me to sign and he said “get that shit way from me I don’t have f-cking time” so Roy wrote in Andy’s name with a mean face 😂. Roger is one of the nicest players I have ever met, on a few occasions he actually brought us donuts and coffee when he arrived and would shoot the sh-t with us every now and then. For me it was awesome because I grew up a Yankees fan, and lucked out to get a job working for the Astros the season he was there. Rogers son also played for the Astros minor league sqaud too and was super nice too.
Love Bobby Jenks
my best friend found an old statis pro baseball game from 1980 at a garage sale , the 1980 and 81 astros staff was outstanding. jr richard, ryan,joe niekro, don sutton, ken forsh and vern ruhle were all good.
It doesn’t get any more Texas than a H-E-B commercial with Andy Pettitte and Roger Clemens!
A better predictor of winning a World Series than having great starting rotation? Featuring a great bullpen.
Lmao I remember the drop call commercial.
Love the Content. I totally forgot about Oswalt. I jad him on some fanatasy teams.
The turn of the century Astros was one of my favorite teams of all time.
How times have changed
Darren Oliver vid would be rad! Looked up his stats and forgot how long he had been around! Great video as always Jolly
Brad Lidge just never was the same after Pujols nuked him from orbit. That ball may still be floating around the stratosphere somewhere.
He got his groove back with the Phillies and won a ring.
The 2005 World Series was the closest sweep of all time
It wasn’t No close sweep. It was RIGGED. There’s a Reason why Extra Innings games in WS are super rare. It was Fixed for the White Sox.
I also wonder what if Jeff Kent stayed with us 1 more year
Those commercials actually hold up pretty well lol
As a cards fan, the 2004 playoffs were the first year I really got into baseball. God I hated the Astros, but I hold those 2 years as some of the best playoff baseball I’ve ever watched. They really had some great teams, thanks for bringing back some memories!
2005 was a special year for us in Houston even if it was a sweep lol
If Someone else other than Selig was Commissioner in 2005, the Astros would have won that World Series.
Or if Beltran hadn't gone off to the Mets.
The Astros could not win during those years because they would strand 3-4x more runners than they could get across the plate. In typical Houston sports fashion, Drayton McLane would hire aging big names at the ends of their careers. Carlos Lee was a prime example. They had enough talent to keep fans in the seat to pay the salaries and the newly-built Minute Maid Park, but they were just a little better than average with the exception of a couple of postseason runs.
The reference to Roger Clemens being great in the postseason irked me. Clemens was a dog in the postseason for the first decade of his career. It only changed when he went on steroids.
The next big three is already in motion:
Ohtani
Yamamoto
Buehler/Glasnow