Piccolo Trombone vs. Soprano Trombone vs. Tenor Trombone
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ธ.ค. 2014
- This video is a follow up on my previous videos describing the Piccolo and Soprano trombones.
Piccolo Trombone video: • The Piccolo Trombone
Soprano Trombone video: • The Soprano Trombone, ...
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They just need a mini F attachment on the piccolo trombone to get those last two positions. Easy Peasy 👍
@@mjkiii9603 lol but why
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Piccolo trombone; I don't care that it does not sound very good it's sooo cute
Such a precious cute baby !!!!
However, it would be funny to see someone playing it, because it looks so much like a toy.
The soprano trombone sounds exactly like a trumpet!!!
That's what it is.
Because it does
Yes
Planet Mateo both the instruments also have almost identical bell sizes
Planet Mateo I’m pretty sure some people also call it slide trumpet, i might be wrong but that’s something I’ve heard.
Skip to 7:03 at times 2 speed for enlightenment
Wow! Thank you
Blahahaha thx boi
When you started showing the positions of the piccolo the sound reminded me of how trumpets sounded in old twenties and thirties jazz recordings
Bro same
That's the cutest fukin thing I have ever seen in my entire life
I would love to hear a full version of carnival of Venice on the piccolo trombone
I bet the neighborhood dogs wouldn't.
Contrabass trombone could probably eat piccolo trombone
HAHAHA
I think the basic problem here is that it's Chinese Junk. I don't even see them on eBay anymore. I think it may be possible to have a proper Piccolo Trombone with 7 positiions. The trouble with the Soprano and Piccolo Trombones is nobody makes a proper mouthpeice, and they end up sounding like slide trumpets instead of high-pitched trombones. I understand the guy behind Parduba mouthpiece spent a lot of time researching, designing, and testing Soprano mouthpieces, but gave up. Maybe larger bore Sopranos and Piccolo trombones need to be built, but there's no advantage if it ends up sounding like a trumpet with a slide.
Perhaps, but the *only* Piccolo Trombones I can find are Chinese. The idea is probably for it to be a collectors item over an instrument. Considering how rare the soprano trombone is, I don't think any one was clamoring for a piccolo version.
TheBerkeleyGang well also it takes more ability of the player. Those types of high instruments' tones can really change depending on the player. Higher trombones can be quite useful in like say a trombone choir
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the soprano trombone has about the same mouthpiece as a trumpet
Piccolo trombone needs a trigger! Many piccolo trumpets have a fourth valve to give extra range.
Yeah I believe there's only so much tubing on a piccolo one to use in the slide, since the typical trombone-shaped bell needs a bunch of that tubing already.
Take tubing away from the bell area for a longer slide, and the bell will be virtually "pulled back" towards the rear bend of the instrument where a counterweight (for like tenors, etc.) would be. It would look weird and probably affect various things.
So in order for the baby trombone here to have a somewhat normal looking bell it's forced to have that limited tubing available for the slide... by what I can tell. But tbh a trigger sounds like a pretty nice idea :) I think if the trigger allowed players to not need to go towards that last position often, that'll definitely help reduce the chances of popping the slide off with that one position's buffer.
Avoids that problem like where a tenor trombone somehow needs to do a low E♭ w/o triggers (hopefully not), and it's sorta like the fact the tenor kinda *does* have that "8th" position when it's really just the slide about to fall off trying to play a low E♭ XD (no I'm no trombone expert but that's my thoughts lol)
The piccolo sounds like squid word when he plays clarinet but with a brass mouth piece
Oh my lord the piccolo trombone looks like a dreadful torture to play
No but the way he blankly stares off into the distance while playing it makes it so funny
5:14 am i the only one who laughed at this part?
Well... Your not alone.
You ought to add a string so that the slide will stop at the 6th position! 😃
Thank you for the demo. It persuades me to stay with a Bb tenor and maybe try soprano, but I ain't going near a piccolo horn. Uuugh!! By the way I admire the way your embouchure can cope with all three.
does anyone know where to buy a piccolo trombone? I really want one lol, its adorable
im getting a piccolo trombone
Have you done a video about the piccolo trumpet? if you haven't, the piece you should choose for the demo is the alla hornpipe from handel's water music suite in d major, because it sounds best on the instrument.
Ear buds: literally nothing
This video: PICCILO BITCH
earbuds: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Just take you're time and practice it and it will sound great
what about the alto trombone?
Alto Saxophonist Erik Karl That is played in Eb and in bass clef. The soprano and piccolo trombones are in treble clef
I'm sure lovely music is made on the piccolo trombone but it just looks like something you got by sending in 8 box tops and then hung up at Christmas time.
Where do you get all the trombones?? I have a tenor. I really want a piccolo trombone but I can't find them at any music stores
great vid
what brand of tenor trombone do you have trent?
What kind of tenor trombone is that? I tried reading the words on the bell but I could not really make out what it says.
Question: do the other two still use the same slide positions and stuff? Like can i play tenor trombone music on a soprano trombone??
Rylin Shepherd The Soprano uses the same positions (1st-7th), it’s just going to sound like a trumpet. The piccolo has the same positions, it just doesn’t have a 6th or 7th position.
If you update the metadata on this video, your wild gesticulating to the top-right will actually still be accurate with Cards.
dang, that looks more like a slide trumpet than a soprano trombone
If I wanted the Piccolo Trombone to add two extra octaves to my Trombone sections iconic song Peppered Pork at our football games and pep rally's. The songs high playing melody is only is 3rd and first position. So would you think the instrument would be worth the investment? I don't want the Sopranno one because that sounds alot like a Trumpet and I don't want the Trumpet players asking to be part of the song for the composer of it said, strictly, only Trombone instruments are allowed to play it.
does the piccolo and soprano take regular size mouthpieces or trumpet mouthpieces
TheJediMonkey oh my music teacher said you can't mix mouth peices
Are you saying that the Bb on top the staff is played like that when read? I'm not sure that is correct since the notation would stay the same thus, so would the frequency. I mean a Bb above the staff will always be Bb3 in bass clef. It wouldn't change between instruments. Unless you mean that the range is generally centered around Bb3 for tenor, Bb4 for soprano, and Bb5 for piccolo. Then that would make sense.
The harmonic series of this trombone is two octaves higher than the harmonic series of a Tenor or Bass trombone, that's probably the best way to explain it.
That's basically what I was meaning at the end. So thank you!
Can we get a piccolo trombone compared to contrabass?
I play trombone and trying a piccolo or soprano trombone would be awesome but do they have the same slide positions. I get that a 3rd position would be totally different from trombone to trombone but like will a B flat always be in 1st?
Cal Apigo yes, if you're thinking in bass clef.
ok cool thanks
+Trent Hamilton is it something you have to learn. Because trumpet mouthpieces are way smaller than my Bach mouthpiece. It's like a trumpet right?
+Tyler Ronto for me as a trumpet player it is probably easier to play soprano/picolo trombone than for acctual trombone players
I like the tenor trombone
The picolo trombone has to be as torturous to play as it is to listen too.
Is it just me that thinks he is playing the beginning of come on Eileen?
Where can I get one
hey man, i'm in nz too, where did you source this/how much?
Alibaba.com, and about 250NZD at the time.
Where did you get that toy trombone from
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I want to honk loud and low. Should I get a Bach 50B or a Yamaha bass trombone?
Contrabass is the way to go for low
Him: and that trombone is called a soprano trumbone...
Me: You mean a trumpet with no valves?
Ah
so you're one of those
Dude ur intonation
OW OW OW OW
Man, playing a piccolo trombone hurts my ears
Who played the penny lane ?
What about a Alto trombone
what is the name of the piece at 3:00?
Ah,if all endearing young charms
They look very scary..
Isn't soprano trombone interchangeable (in terms) with the slide trumpet? Wouldn't piccolo trombone be like the Bb side of a French Horn (in terms of equivalent pitch, the timbre is obviously quite different). Just an ignorant woodwind player here. :)
NobodyNowhereKnowhow No - I delve into this more deeply in this video: th-cam.com/video/FrmwcxE_o9o/w-d-xo.html
no wonder the soprano is also called a slide trumpet
It shouldn't be... th-cam.com/video/FrmwcxE_o9o/w-d-xo.html
I think my trombone is in between your soprano and tenor. Would that make it an alto?
Yes
Willem Kossen I play the tenor
Depends on how large it is. His trombone was a tenor with an F attachment. The other version of a tenor trombone is a straight tenor (meaning it doesn’t have the F attachment). The only difference between the two is that the straight horn isn’t fully chromatic between the pedal tone Bb and the Bb on the staff. They both have (roughly) the same range and are pitched in Bb. If your instrument is pitched in Bb, it is a tenor. If it is pitched in Eb, then it is an alto.
If you play a Bb in first position it’s a tenor
You call a Bb extended trombone standard? Hmm, interesting.
is that an organ in the reflection?
That one guy who happens to be a soloist in the brass band:
Soprano 😍
The tenor trombone is actually in concert pitch (C) not Bb. Although the tuning note is Bb
No, the tenor trombone is in Bb. When playing in Bass clef, it plays in concert pitch, but that doesn't make it a 'C' instrument.
Trent Hamilton can you do alto trombone
chris christophe I talk about it briefly in this video: th-cam.com/video/FrmwcxE_o9o/w-d-xo.html but I can do a separate video if you wish to see one :)
+Trent Hamilton if you play a Bb on a tenor trombone it is not a concert C therefor, the tenor trombone is a C instrument not a Bb instrument.
The tenor trombone plays in concert pitch when reading bass clef. The fundamental note of the instrument, however, is Bb. If the trombone was pitched in C, then the fundamental would clash with a Bb trumpet's fundamental - as it doesn't, then it proves that both instruments are in Bb. To be honest, I'm not sure if you are trolling. Because I've never encountered anyone previously who claimed that all tenor trombones are in C.
The piccolo trombone 🤣🤣🤣
I thought that was a tenor bass trombone, isn't there a alto and a higher "standard" tenor trombone in-between the two.
This video was just showing Bb trombones, the alto is in Eb, and fits between the soprano and tenor. I don't believe in the 'tenor-bass' trombone, because all tenor trombones and all modern bass trombones are in the same key - Bb. The only differences are in the bore size, and whether there are triggers or not. The worlds largest bore double trigger bass trombone with all the fittings still has the same fundamental pitch and amount of tubing as the smallest bore pea-shooter tenor trombone. The tenor-bass designation is a bit erroneous to me - a trombone is either one or the other.
thanks, that really answers my question. I am just about to go play my "what was previously thought tenor-bass", tenor trombone with fkey in my jazz concert tonight.
thanks again
Trumbenn!
the piccolo trombone is cute but i don't like the way it sounds
Piccolo trombone=trumpet noises
I am not a trombone except but isn't the tenor trombone a bass trombone?
lumbar harpy462 nah, smaller bore and smaller bell so it's a tenor
FusionTech Gaming Thank you, I play the saxophone but I am looking at others to further expand my knowledge of instruments to help my fellow band mates. I happen to be the most advanced person in my band and I am often a source of advice.
He keeps comparing sizes he he he he he
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Us tenor trombone players find anything smaller than tenor very cute uwu.
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When you play Endearing Young Charms on the piccolo trombone I start giggling. I can't help it.
I've decided that the tenor with an F attachment is actually a baritone. The extra loop gives it more tubing than a tenor and it can play lower, so I'm assigning it to a new category.
i wanna see an alto trombone and a bass trombone!
Eww Bb Tenor Trombone, the key of C is best
+Chris Harrison You can get trombones which are actually in the key of C, but they're very uncommon.
+The Redstone Regime Here in germany i think all trombones are in the key of C. At least I and all trombonists I know play them. (Bass key)
+FloStar3000 In Germany the trombone itself is tuned Bb, but the trombonists learn to play the notes written in C. So, if they read a Bb, they play the base-tone (1st Position), which is a Bb, while if they had a transposed Score in Bb, they would read C and have to play the base-tone, which sounds Bb
I think you are right. I'm not really sure, but I think only british brass bands have transposed scores for the bass instruments
The Redstone Regime o hellllllll nah
That is not a tenor trombone, its a bass
That is most definitely a tenor trombone. Smaller bore, 8.5" bell. Bass trombones have larger bores, and generally have a bell size over 9.5" in diametre
Sometimes called a "Symphonic Tenor." Comparable models: Conn 88H, Bach 42B, King 4B-F, etc. Typically a larger bore than a straight tenor. Bass Trombone will have larger bore, and usually 2 valve sections in the bell area.
No, the number of triggers doesn't define a bass trombone. It's the bore and bell size. You can get a trombone with no triggers and have a 9.5" bell that is still a legitimate bass trombone.
Without a trigger, it has to be pitched in F or Eb, and be proportionally bigger. Otherwise, you don't get the notes between E (below the staff) and BBb, critical for Bass Trombone music. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_trombone#Bass_trombone
***** Bass trombones in Bb without triggers don't have much point these days, but they do exist. The difference between a tenor trombone and a bass trombone is the bore size, and the bell size. Nothing else. Both tenor and bass trombones can have triggers (although I've never seen a tenor trombone with two triggers), and both tenor and bass trombones can be straight.