⚠️ CAUTION ⚠️ THIS WILL KILL ALL OF YOUR PLANTS!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 พ.ค. 2023
- ⚠️ CAUTION ⚠️ THIS WILL KILL ALL OF YOUR PLANTS! Don’t do this! Have you done it? TANK ON!
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When this guy finds out how thick natural soil is, he’s gonna go nuts.
I mean there's stuff living in the soil typically that helps negate this
@@agereartist3763 The same stuff that's in aquarium substrate.
@@agereartist3763plants will bring oxygen down in the roots, turning sulphur dioxide into sulphate witch roots can absorb. These plants were unhealthy for another reason, possibly lack of oxygen in the water. Sulphur dioxide can also be taken in directly by leaves. this is caused by something else.
Falso good sir, most aquatic plants feed and exchange gasses through their "leaves" (upper growth)
Father Fish!!!😊
I've kept planted tanks for a while never had that issue. Ever
I do 2” of aquasoil capped with at least 2-3” of sand. Never had any problems, plants look great and tank is less maintenance.
Some people are born stupid, it is what it is.
Nonsense. Look up the wallstad method.
No, it's actually true, anaerobic condition will kill aerobic bacteria and grow anaerobic bacteria and it's bad for your plant and this happened below the soil not in the water.
@@marjanaking404notfound3what’s the solution
@@marjanaking404notfound3nope. Father fish, Walstad method, Fishtory (secret history living in your tanks) all use and explain these anoxic substrates and they all work well.
So what prevents anaerobic conditions in nature where the substrate is feet thick?
He is just making up a bunch of stuf
Exactly. Anaerobic bacteria has it's own role in the ecosystem and many people use fine sand instead of coarse gravel to further decrease oxygen flow to the deeper layers for this reason.
Exactly.
Anaerobic conditions exist almost everywhere after a certain depth. The issue here is nitrient imbalance. In nature, deeper parts of substrate tends to be very poor of nutrients so hydrogen sulfide production is slow enough for it to be degraded by other processes
A way to mitigate this is by having the bottom most layer covered by zero nutrient large materials like coarse gravel, pumice, rocks, or course sand
Life will only exist where is can. It’s the other way around. If you have plants that means oxygen is good, where you don’t, it’s not. That’s why they say if there is a lot of life, soil is healthy. If not good, crap dies out.
You want an anaerobic layer under your main substrate… it helps things break down. Natural too.
My main tank has 1” of dirt 2” of sand cap. No issues with roots at all.👍
Do you have gas buildup?
@@sahindemirerI’ve heard people talk about this but nobody ever says it actually happens to them
I solved this problem with Malaysian trumpet snails. The dig down about a half inch into the substrate
1/2” dirt with 2 inches of sand cap
I run my aquascape for 4 years with 30cm(12inches) of soil and it is perfecrly fine. The roots of the Cryptocoryne Flamingo still hit the bottom.
My plants are thriving. Got bout 2 inches of sand with dirt underneath. They love it.
That's kind of what's happening to my stems. Rotalas. They're rotting at the base and stems. I have an inch of soil and about an inch and a half of sand. I use liquid fert and root tabs. Medium lighting and co2 injection (pressurized with a ph controller). How do I fix?
This is a prime example of someone in the hobby that doesn't understand the bigger picture and the endless variables within systems (they're all different).
the problem with 1 inch is that you can't plant the plants in an established tank cus they keep coming loose and floating to the top lol.
Been doing bare bottom for years now all my plants thrive in my 40gl with only one small fish in it, no co2 n just 1 sponge filter
I’ve never done it🤷🏻♀️
my fishes and floating plants thrive just from rain water
Its a myth
Hhha... I just smile when i see your video...
Sir, The main issue is not a deep substrate... The main issue is
1. not enough Oxygen in your tank water..
2. That is not enough nitrat come to your deep substrate..
Only oxygen and nitrat who can reduce it, in natural way..
3. 2 inch is not enough to reduce a hydrogen sulfide.. 3 inch is minimal.
You can learn and read about to reduce a hydrogen sulfide with 3 inch deep substrate from all the biologist research.. Not from youtube..
4. You can use a undegravel filter (with room in your bottom tanks before the gravel or sand.) and you can use a lava rock with small size as gravel or sand.. Why?? Because the lava rock contain an iron.. And the iron is the one and only of mineral who can reduce a hydrogen sulfide.
5. You can use active carbon in your filtration.
Do asían trumpet snails help?
Dont burrowing organisms like trumpet snails help release the gas?
How many gallons aquarium?
I was thinking of just using gravel. Fish waste as plant feed and liquid fertiliser. Give the gravel a little vac now and then to release any gases not too much tho. Can’t do that with sand and soil end up with dirt and excess nutrients in the water column. Algae issues then. What’s your thoughts?
do undergravel filter can fix that ??
I'm confused now, doesn't this contradict father fish?
Father fish says you need an anerobic condition in the substrate to convert nitrite to nitrate
*Nitrate into nitrogen
@@ErgoCogita Plants can absorb nitrogen from the soil in two forms: nitrate (NO3−) and ammonium (NH4+).
I've never had a single problem with deep substrate.
He named it but didn't describe it. I still don't know what not to do.
You just made the whole thing up. Anaerobic conditions create allow the plants to access ammonia without it harming your water quality
I dont think this is totally wrong. Thickness of soil could block the anaerobic circuit, the bacterias below the soil may produce different kind of gases that may harm our plants. From my personal experience, I always use aquasoil which is optimized for plating, maybe the structure of the soil helps the air flow through it, anyway, thank you for this additional experience!
Then what's the solution again?
never had problems with thick soil, gas exchange happens through leaves not roots, bro..
So what is the solution
I don't know, I just know that the (father fish) has a lot of information that has helped me to have my aquariums healthy and beautiful, much better than in my 20 years before when I used co2 and everything else. He knows what he's talking about in his videos. I completely recommend it.
I got 3 inches of soil and like 4 inches of play sand and my tank is about a year old with 0 water changes, fish and plants doing great. I think the play sand has really big particulars so the water and oxygen can get down there. I know its way too much sand but it was my first ever tank and its doing great so im not going to mess with it.
Particals*
1 inch of dirt,2 inches of sand. All 3 of my tanks are set up this way and none of my plants are dying. Your problem is that you keep sterilizing and killing the anoxic/anaerobic bacteria. Set up your tank like an ecosystem and it won't die.
Spot on!
Finally someone mentions this.
Just dirted 2 tanks and this happened to my tanks.
I used play sand or sand from home depot
My guess is you need very coarse sand.
Had one fish die becaise of it.
See the blackbess through the front glass in sand substrate. Even seashells tuened black i had a few on surface if substrate.
Planta roots rotted and died. Roots black & smelled like rotten eggs.
Had to tear apart that tank asap to sabe rest if my fish.
Trumpet snails…they aerate the substrate by moving it around constantly.
My plants have never been healthier
Um....what. is this bizaro world
Never had this issue. 1 inch dirt and 2 inches sand in my tanks. But I got black worms in my substrate and what ever other micro organisms that came from using pond mud and dead leaves I used from the same pond. Plants thrive and I don't do anything. I put some frozen shrimp in bottom of the dirt as well. Natural root tabs. All common father fish knowledge. Maybe ur problem comes from overly sterile tank environments.
Love FF💯
Father fish never said that Thanks 😊👍
I’ve never experienced this problem with my natural aquarium as suggested by father fish.
According to father fish anaerobic conditions are ideal for plant roots. The opposite if bad for them.
Father Fish > DustinsFishTanks
Just simply. . . . No. 😅
Root rot in the aquarium ? … crap. I think that’s my problem. I keep hearing thick sand substrate is your bff… so 1.5” soil 2”3” sand is what I’ve done. I think my ten gallon is half substrate composed of dirt and fluvial stratum. Problem is I forgot I did this ans I accidentally dig too deep lay time I changed water. What a muddy mess. Poor betta and African dwarf frogs. They okay now.
An undergravel filter can help your substrate never going anaerobic, that's what I do and my heavy root feeder plant is thriving.
And I thought that using an under-gravel filter meant no live plants! There is too much conflicting info out there and it gets very confusing for us new to the hobby. Today I watched a father fish video and he preaches that deep dirt substrate and a deep sand cap.. sigh😢
@@quki3I know right? I've been using an undergravel filter on my 20G tank and is working just fine, the plants are doing great too, as long as you have an adequate light the plants will grow fine, I like father fish method, but I haven't try myself yet. 🙂
@@quki3he also says "just throw down some mud", but in reality he adds like 15 extra things to it 😅
@@quki3its bc those guys r full of bs...that ole dude just talks...he uses his age and beard to be seen as a wise guy...in 26yrs of aquaristic i didnt hear as much bs as in one of that ole dudes shorts....
Father Fish talks the same talk over and over. He never deviates from his beliefs. He's not "just talking" Try some of his more in depth vids. @@zerberus2525
Such a simple "old school" solution that also has many other positive benefits as well.... UNDER GRAVEL FILTER / PLENUM!
Undergravel filters are so silly for planted tanks
So you read a book but you didn't finish it...! The result :
Welp I'm glad all of my roots are white and 10"+ long 😌...
Bro gave us a new problem to worry about and didn't gave us the answer to solve it
Yes
@@mickeysr5817father fish for save
Facts
The answer is on;y 1 inch of dirt... i mean he said that. Even then he's still nuts.
@@brandhark7935yesterday I pulled a bunch of darf hair grass and bubbles came up from bottom and what I see half of the roots where black in colour
Father fish told us for a 4 to 6 inch substrate
have you heard of plants getting shocked in an entirely new environment? then yes, land plants and aquatic plants too, newly planted plants often die, gets weak, loses leaves to adapt to new environment, or maybe you're adding too much chemicals in your water so it does crashes, maybe you need some murky water or even a river water, instead of dechlorinated water, bro do you even try? 😅 i've set up multiple keepers and hobbyist alike with river water and tiny bit of mulch, I also do harvest my hardy plants on the same river on which I planted them when I was still starting business, my clients do have ponds, indoor and outdoor to let you know, I got in touch with clients if they ever encounter a problem or needed anything or questions, not a single one crashed...
it's like you've read page 1 of manual,toss the instructions and did it yourself :(
I know your a soul man Dustin, but I swear by japanese aquarium soil, the tropica type stuff. It so light and fluffy my amanos literally lift it up and sift it, comes in 6mm balls and the substrate aeration is ridiculous, it does need re ferting every year or so though
I have a minimum of 3" of 0.5-1.2mm gravel substrate in all my tanks and I use root tabs. I have never had any issues, all roots are white and plants are thriving.
A thick layer of fine sand however can definately cause issues, or at least I experienced in the past.
My substrate on my first tank is a thick layer of painted gravel unfortunately and theres little gas bubble but i dont want to agitate it cause i saw someone on reddit have their whole tank die after a water change that mixed the substrate and let the gas out but in the comments nothing was mentioned of it being harmful to the plants aswell so how do you get rid of it safely?
Incorrect. Ive been keeping my plants in 4-5 inches for years and they only seem to grow much faster than any of my lower substrate tanks.
I can't take this video seriously after watching father fish for years😂
Deep substrate is best.I have all my tanks with colombo nutri base and mano base covered.5 inches all together.
Ah
Nope. There is anerobic bacteria that breaks it down as nutrients for plants.
I have the substrate mixed evenly less sand than rocks. And my big aquarium just has rocks and one thin layer of sand.
ummm doesnt water still penetrate the bottom and isnt there oxygen in water also a lot of plants root at stems aswell as below
Hmmmm
my plants have done pretty well and my mix of sand/gravel is at least 4 inches thick
Use sands and gravelite for substrate. Plants will move the substrate with roots. anaerobic conditions are extremly rare, never happened to me in 15 years of acquariology
We all should understand one thing first soil is to hold the plant root I did plantation in different type of soil, dirt, sand, rock professional aqua soil etc...
I observed one thing the substrate should have low surface tension were roots gets easily penetrative, and this will help to keep release all gas and absorve and nutrition.
You think maybe the problem is you put baby plants in tiny plastic cups and kept them submerged in water? No gas exchange? Duh, they're surrounded by plastic! Plant Pots < Open Substrate
MTS
Roots will go bad, and then the new type will grow adapted to your soil. Father fishbas a good example in one of his video of a new sword he planted in deep sand only substrate. Pretty much all of the old roots fell off and new one that looked slightly different grew. Plants adapt to most thing given the time.
FF is the absolute GOAT
anaerobic bacteria reduce NO3- levels and release elements essential for plant functioning into the water. They also break down dead organic matter. They effectively make life cycle close. This video is BS
@@leelwain01 I agree, embrace nature and let it develop instead of fighting it.
Someone did Latin at school……..
I like the part where he tells us the solution to the problem
How do u prevent it?
🤦 shame, i cant find any good comments 🤦
Ive got a tank with about 6 inches of dirt and an inch or two of sand that has beautiful roots visible through the glass and a thriving green ecosystem, i think the substrate thickness is just your scapegoat
Not a chance brother. Go look at any natural ecosystem, and you will find thick mucky soil, with anaerobic conditions, and the plants thrive in it.
So how about the nature, there is all anaerobic condition under the plant and still healthy
Bros trying to pin incompense on the substrate. If your soil is your rich in nutrients. Your roots will melt. Put the right amount for the right plants youll be good.
Microb-lift substrate cleaner/ pond sludge remover work great and preventing that
This is 100% false
Maybe you should look further into this and find out the true causes of why your plant health is declining
This guy is spitting nothing but bull. Nice thick substrate is so amazing for your aquarium.
that's why i intentionally have Malaysian trumpet snails, they aerate the soil as they dig in it and they act as underwater earthworms.
I always do a thick substrate and plants have always been fine
I believe if you're capping your substrate properly with gravel or sand, I'm sure you'd be fine. I just planted a tank with capped substrate, wish me luck! 😂
@@AIKineticNRG yeah capped with river sand, sure it'll be okay gotta learn some how right haha but good luck
@@wakingforbacon6439 hey, correct me if I'm wrong but I've watched the deep substrate tanks in videos but most of them have sand and not totally soil.... Deep sand substrate is what i have done in my outdoor with those references from Cory's and Father Fish's videos
@@vamsikrishna.c6277 I didn’t say that it was only a deep sand. Sure it’s not good to use totally deep sand alone. For sure not. If that’s what you was referring to in the video then I apologize and retract what I said. But that isn’t what it sounded like in the video you was talking about. But maybe I misunderstood it. I’ve deleted the comment. You do you.
I use sand substrate. Is this limiting my plant growth?
Thats not what father fish says
Solution?
I keep Malaysian trumpet snails yes they invaded but it's here home now. I noticed they do most the cleaning even on plants not just the glass of the tank.
Nonsense.
Absolute nonsense.
Ive been wondering about thoose dots for ever
Exactly why you need a plenum! 😅😅
Ive been running an undergravel filter in a 20 long for a year and a half with no water changes and the plants are doing great, too good in fact i need to do a heavy trim.
Watch father fish dude
Someone should tell LRB all of his plans are dead 😂. I have pulled aquatic plants up in the wild and their roots go down 68 in at least. And the soil smells of all sorts of nasty gases. Plans for super healthy. I don't think this holds up scrutiny.
😂 shrimp Jesus nice proerty he has.
Is it because companies are afraid of not being able to sell sand anymore, such things are shared? The land is free... :U
I never made that mistake 🤷🏻♀️ I always use volcano gravel, soil and powder soil. I never plant anything into sand because of the reason you already said. You can make beautyful aquariums with sand like islandstyle aquariums. But in the island is no sand, it is filled with soil. 🤷🏻♀️
How do you fix it?
Bro j making up stuff, thick substrate is good
You think this is silly? Wait until you see his sky high prices.
Anaerobic condition and anaerobic bacteria is all over nature its no other way it can happen the earth is huge. What do you mean bro?
Nope, its a myth
My guy you need to show or demonstrate what you feel is the best way, bot say its all bad because your wrong.
5cm is fine....