If you're gonna main her and investment in her and her future possible teams, that weapon provides crazy dmg bonuses to her compared to the other options we have.
I don't understand if people don't know what a signature weapon means. It's literally made for the said character. If you aren't gonna pull for the character, you don't pull the weapon. If you don't have enough astrites for the weapon, you don't pull it. If the playstyle or whatever for the character is kinda meh for you and you only pull the character for the collection, you don't pull the weapon. Otherwise, I genuinely don't see the point in not pulling a character's signature weapon if you are going for the character. Other character's are gonna only utilize the main stats from the sig weapon and that is all while the standard 5* weapons are just going to be second best option after the signature ones.
@GTRaijin I think you don't understand that some ppl prefer saving and spending only for chars since it's a completely new experience unlike weapons and F2P's cannot always invest in signature weapons. I have seen ppl who have 6 to 7 limited chars but not even a single signature weapon.
@@GTRaijin Thats true but you also need to understand the numbers behind these things sometimes the signature weapons dont provide a major damage differences when compared to the standard weapons A good example would be changli's sig wep,it is only 10% better than the standard weaponz if your a free to play you have limited pulls and a lot of the times spending 70 pulls to gain 10% in damage is super not worth to most free to play players. My point is everyone knows the signature weapon is the best for the unit but people care about how much of a difference it makes when compared to available weapons, for me atleast 15% or greater damage improvement from second best option is a must pull, below that imma skip.
@@ClarkHamilton-y9e Signatures provide very less value if you don't even have limited chars to pair them with, you're argument is the dumbest take I have ever read lmaooo no offence xD
You ruin gaming. Would be a great game if it wasn't a gacha. You pay extra so no one else can afford it. If you stopped paying, they might make a game that isn't predatory.
also guys: for more efficiency, we will most likely run camellya with sanhua. so its not a bad thing grabbing her sword if u skipped changli weapon. my sanhua is build as sub dps and she can take a 5* sword as well ;D gonna definetly get her weapon!
Aside from speedrunners, don't think it's necessary to go for a 5* Weapon for Sanhua. While she can put out some bursts of damage, it's just more efficient on resources not investing much into her until after all your main DPS's are covered pretty much. I've been using Encore to clear ToA since Lv. 80 w/ Jinzhou Keeper and a Lv. 50 Sanhua with no talents. Assuming she's at least on Encore's level of DPS, EoG is good enough for Camellya.
Good point. In general we have many sword users and there are duo-sword teams. Getting two 5* swords is a serious value. Video doesn't present the situation very well.
@@DisIngRaM Bro... Guy said about playing Camellya with Sanhua and you think they meant giving Camellya's sword to... Sanhua?... Point is - to have TWO 5* swords, it's valuable because of situations like this. Also, 5* weapons are still easily better regardless whether character benefits much from passive or not. Difference in stats is just too big, plus - crit stat helps with builds - is even much better in practice than DPS calculation comparisons will tell you. Hope that's helpful.
I got 2 emeralds, one changli weapon. I give one to rover, one to sanhua and changli gets gets her own, i would love to pick up camellya weapon but rn I have to pull on both character and weapon so I probably won't get her weapon, welp doesn't matter , if I can't get her weapon then that means someone else in future is getting that weapon lol since it's a guaranteed
please guys if you have enouph asterites pleeease pull on the camellya weapon dont do the same mistake like us who dont pull on jinshi weapon because this weapon is on the same lvl 😳
I see no reason to not pull for her weapon if you want to get the best performance out of her at s0 especially in this game where weapons are guaranteed. The only reason you would skip the weapon if you don't have enough pulls to get both the character and the weapon
@@RAJA_XYLO i think hes just saying the feeling of regret for no pull the jinshi weapon because the extremely difference of power in his signature and the others ones but also what u saying about if not enought pulls to get both character and weapon its better just to pulls to none its hell damn true
I got jinshi and her weapon the only character don’t have for her weapon is YinLin and she still does a lot of damage but I’ll pulling for camellya weapon I like the design
the problem is I have nothing else to use on her and I refuse to use a majority of my astirites on the standard banner sword at that point just get the sig. Also just the drip, she deserves it
@@tienmanhnguyen3422 transparent skins sound cool for Gauntlets and Rectifier users, but idk about Swords. The other skin though seems to match Camellya's theme from what I saw.
I think the issue is say you have one emerald of genesis and youre going to use two sword users on one team for example youre going to use Sanuha with either Havoc Rover or Camellya. I guess four star weapons are also an option depending on their refinement. Maybe people didnt get Changli's signature so id say its worth to pick up Camellya's sig then. But yeah if youre just using one sword user on a team then I agree emerald of genesis is totally fine.
@@RAJA_XYLO Jinhsi didn't have a Crit 5* to compete with. Verdant Summit scales heavy attack which is rarely used by most Resonators and the Standard doesn't have Crit. Jinhsi's weapon also just has universally good stats since most Resonators deal a good amount of damage with their skills and has a simple way of activating it's full potential. Then there's Camellya's weapon where only she can activate the full potential of the weapon and it's likely to be that way for some time as I doubt they will start releasing many Sword users that can consume their concerto without swapping. It also requires at least 3 basics before it's in full effect, so Resonators who minimize their Basic Attack usage won't benefit much from it. If you're a spender/whale, I'd say go for it, but otherwise better off just grabbing Camellya since EoG is plenty strong. Assuming Camellya is on at least Encore's level of DPS, she'll be great with EoG.
@zeroperplexity her sig weapon effect give around 82% damage bonus and you still want to compare it with emerald sword? If you gonna play camellya get her sig. You gonna regret it if you dont. Jinhsi and camellya need their sig so bad. Her sig is not the same case as changli. For changli you can use emerald sword instead.
@@jahatkeh10 Maygi video is out. Weapon is only 19% stronger than EoG, which matches what another video's calculation said. As someone who has been clearing with 4* DPS's with Standard Banner weapons or less, you don't need a Signature weapon to use a 5* DPS. Like i said before, Jinhsi's weapon was so good before cause it had essentially no competition. Heavy Attack DMG is rarely used on anyone making Verdant Summit a niche weapon while Lustrous Razor requires 3 Skill uses to boost only Liberation DMG which is pretty niche as well.
Agreed, this weapon is more for a specialist kind of type, in which you'd gamble that it could even be another Sword user that focuses on normal attack damage, and if there is... they'd have their own weapon, which would powercreep this one for Camellya, or it'd basically be a 4☆ character. Counter argument tho- using two sword users in the same team, this could be a nice stat stick at the end of the day. Rover and Danjin dont like to share if they're both gonna be on field.
Fair point but if you're running her with danjin then pulling for her weapon will allow danjin to use emerald sword which is probably a more substantial upgrade to team dps overall. Just a thought
After Shorekeeper's and now Camellya's weapon nerf, i believe they dont want us swapping out signature weapons amongst resonators and they deeply regret Yinlin's weapon.
I just got her the only reason I'm probably gonna skip on her weapon is because i want to get yinlin's weapon because i was 20 pulls short before her banner ended. I'm initially 30 pulls in the weapon banner before she dropped.
Yeah, but that's about as significant as every other DPS signature weapon in the game. (Well, except for Changli.) The difference is that, in the case of other signature weapons, even when a character doesn't really benefit from their passive skill, they are at least a good stat stick. Plus, there is normally only one "layer" required for a character to use them effectively, (their DMG type must match the weapon) while on Camellya's weapn half of the passive skill is locked behind a requirement that only Camellya is able to fulfil. In other words... If you ONLY care about Camellya's damage output, or if you can afford to go for every limited weapon, sure, go for it! But if you have limited resources, this is one of the least valuable limited weapons in terms of account progression. (The closest comparison would probably be Zhezhi's weapon.)
@@joaomarcoscosta4647 Not really a bad investment, since Camellya's sig passives can benefit ANY sword user, unless said sword user is heavily reliant on skill damage. But that's a measley 6 - 12% at rank 1, and that is if you can skill twice before the previous stack does not vanish. Camellya's does the same, PLUS basic damage multiplier that stacks easily 3 times, PLUS another massive boost at concerto use. Energy recharge? You wouln't need so much if you got proper echoes.
@@joaomarcoscosta4647 if u meant how viable this weapon is for other characters as well then I understand but this weapon is also just as gud as changli's weapon for their specific resonators. Even Jinshi's signature was only 12% better than jiyan's weapon. Still a ton of people got it. And her weapon is also locked behind her kit cuz we have no broad blade user that depends on skill dmg like her up until now. I'm going for it cuz I have enough saved up. But yea people who don't have enough resources can make due with eog. It's not like it's the end of the world. But her will make a big difference compared to eog or blazing brilliance.
@@sylphielyuiagravante Not just skill damage... For any character who doesn't rely heavily on Basic attacks, her weapon is more os less equivalent to EoG. (Minus the Energy Recharge, which as you mentioning is not a big loss, but still.) Right now, if we go by Prydwen's calculations, 28% of Havoc Rover's damage comes from basic attacks... But only if you are using a "Main DPS" rotation and doing 2 full basic attack rotations while their forte is active. For all other characters, assuming Prydwen's rotations, no more 6% of their damage output comes from basic attacks. So, yeah, the only sword user that benefits from Camellya's passive's is Rover, and even then it's not a huge difference.
I just skimmed through the video and didn’t see any calculations on screen. Does anybody have some kind of figure on how much better her sig is compared to the standard sword or Changli’s signature? Thanks.
Baseline is 20% worse. But as with all chars and sig on this game - the more godly your echoes and overall investment, the greater the divide. In wuwa, sigs are basically always must have, if you want to have a good time with a character.
you can also get Emerald of Genesis in multiple different colors on Wuthering Waves Model Importer in order to match her drip a bit better. So less value on the aesthetic as well.
I am on yinlin n stringmaster banner since i dont have both also Encore and zhezhi build up. So my best gamble will be getting yinlin and stringmaster.
I would also just like to preface, there are plenty of weapon skins bound for the future too, you may not like the cat sword one, but there will be even further less incentive to pull weapons when good ones come
Understood, it's not universal. But this is like iphone vs blackberry, the weapon is way too good for her. Also future modes might not allow weapon swapping as a smart business move.
From all the videos I've seen that did the math it's only like a 17-20% increase from Emerald of Genesis. That being because the majority of the bonus doesn't activate till the later half of her rotation. It also having a condition that is unique to her makes it pretty much the Zhezhi weapon of Swords.
@@09syl-41 I mean ‘future’ modes, so things such as a new permanent endgame mode would be fair grounds to prevent echo/weapon swapping. As for backlash so be it, if the company wants to make money then they’ll take some heat.
Since i already have Changli's weapon and Emerald Genesis which give C.Dmg/C.Rate, I'm going to skip the new limited swords, unless it provides team buffing. Just 3 five-star weapon for each type is enough in this game.
@@RaihanSatrio i did some math and found the signature weapon performs around 28% better than emerald of genesis. that's pretty insane. also compared to jinhsi, she does less burst damage but more total damage given more time
also remember ur only getting around half of that basic dmg bonus on characters who are not camellya bc it requires consuming concerto energy without swapping
That weapon will also be great on Havok Rover. In their dark surge state, basic attack is deadly, especially fresh off Sanhau's and Shorekeeper's buffs. And it frees up Emerald for Sanhau who will benefit from the crit rate and higher attack. Though if you're strapped for asterite and you can only go for 1 weapon at a time, Stringless is absolutely worth going after. ESPECIALLY if you have Encore. Yeah, how messed up is that? Stringless was designed from the ground up to synergize with Yinlin and yet it's arguably better on Encore. Yes, Linlin is a sub DPS, but Encore is a hyper carry. If you can choose which one gets it's, I'd go for the field hogger.
I’m going to get her weapon because even though I have emerald of Genesis I’m going to be running her with Danjin or sanhua so I need a second sword. Also it looks sick.
if you dont have another 5 star sword aside from standard its still a decent pull aside from stats youre likely going to need another sword anyways the 3 best sub dps with her are sanhua danjin and havoc rover assuming we get s4 they all use swords and so far the only weapons weve seen that are worth pulling are string master and steller symphony every other weapon just buffs a specific damage stat for its intended user also basic attack might be the safest stat to buff since everyone uses ba's for energy so you can always use the buff no matter how small it is in your damage
Indeed, at least it is better than emerald on everyone which isn't very hard to do but still. Also if you ever want to pair Cammellya up with another sword user your still going to need a extra sword
The new permanent, end-game mode coming out in 1.4 does not allow weapon swaps. Depending on how you enjoy the game you may want to use 2 sword dps in quickswap but are hindered. At some point 1 5 star may not be enough unless future 4 stars are good alternatives
On Concerto Energy consumed, raise basic attack for 10 seconds. Is Camelya a character that can attack offfield? I think, this cater to the new mechanic where all 3 characters in the party all attack at once.
That iPhone analogy made no sense because no weapon other than the BIS for that specific character is better because it's tailored specifically for the character. I'm getting it simply because I'm a PGR vet and know exactly how generous Kuro is and also, watch all the comparison videos come out and instantly prove you wrong because of the way her attack scales
@@Prodigal450 yeah he wasn't saying it's worse than the other options it's just that value wise for your account it's not that big cause of its niche bonus. Changli's Sword for example has a lot of value because its full buff technically can be built up by anyone and is BiS for a lot of units (Spectro Rover, Danjin & Sanhua). Meanwhile Camellya's Sword could be BiS for Havoc Rover, but only if you play them in their long rotation rather than their quick burst one and only until another Sword comes out with more accessible buffs.
@Zer0Perplexity if I understand correctly, it's not worth it because it's only good for camellya and no one else? I have no intention of giving her weapon to anyone else tho
It would be good to have numbers but this is good for casuals too. One of the main downside of Camellya signature is Sanhua exists. Most teams are gonna use her and some minority teams gonna use Danjin as sub dps.
Camellya's damage is all basic attack dmg. The crit stat stick argument for EoG is missing the +70% basic attack damage of Camellya's weapon. It will likely be around 20% more total dmg for Camellya compared to EoG. Also, if you don't have 2 EoG, your sanhua will also be less optimized since you would put EoG on Camellya.
was my think also, I'll use the standard sword on her for sure and save some pulls, now with the transmog feature they are introducing for weapons, you can have it looking in a different way if the look of that standard sword offends someone.
Can someone tell me why i keep seeing/hearing the number "20%" getting thrown around when comparing Genesis to camellya sig? 20% is a lot; Wouldn't it basically be a "must pull" for her if it's that 20%?
Genesis actually very good on her. even though you will be missing 20% damage you still will be doing a ton of damage. If your ftp I would skip honestly and save your pulls since her sig is kinda a over kill.
I got 2 Emeralds lvl 90/80, so i won't be pulling her weapon anyway. I'll do so on re-runs if there's nothing better to get or i don't need to save for something else. I'll definitely save for the 5* gun, i only got 4*, so gonna wait until that resonator comes for the gun.
I already have Xiangli Yao and his weapon, yinlin and her weapon and I have like 140 pulls saved up so far, f2p, so is it worth it going for her weapon?
I think you're missing that this is also best in slot for Rover, significantly so for havoc form, and since they intend to release additional forms down the road, this is probably a sound investment even for f2p. Also, since Danjin is the best havoc sub dps, you can throw the other stat stick on her if you have it.
Barely better then Emerald of genesis for havoc rover. The unique passive is only usable by Camellya, so Havoc rover doesnt get the extra damage from the unique passive and Havoc rover's E hits 2+2 times and his ult is also very strong. Havoc rover basic attacks a lot, but in reality, not even half of his damage is basic attack damage.
If I'm lucky with camellya I will pull on the weapon regardless, just for the comfort of having it always on and not swapping)) EOG already has too many characters using it, also in case I want to go with danjin camellya combo or something where you would need 2 sword characters in a comp
My Emerald of Genesis is on my Rover... So I'll pull this weapon either way, cause Camellya is one of the big reason I play... So I want to make her viable as possible...
I really want to see Camellya’s skill tree to see if she gains crit thru her skill evolution. As of now with a crit weapon and cd cost 4 echo I have about 60% crit hoping thats enough
I do think You don't need to get Her weapon 100% just to get her kicking mobs and bosses but I do think if you want that max damage then You might wanna get her weapon as it gives basic attack damage %. Although the non limited 5* Sword will also help those who can't afford to get her weapon becuz You can work around with it anyway and she is definitely still gonna be good anyway. I'll definitely try to get her weapon too as I don't really have a plan to pull for any other character for a while until a certain banner looks interesting for me (especially dps with different elements) so that I could get Jinshi to S2 at least when she gets a re-run therefore the nuke button shall exist in rapid fire. LOL
wait hol up the 2nd part needs to consume concerto? so you swap her into outro to trigger it? or does she have a way to burn her concerto w/o swapping out pls correct me if im wrong i think thats a mistranslation again
@@maokeey ah ok so basically she's also kina bad for shorekeeper oof, welp nothing bad in just spending the 7 pulls you get every start of the update if not genesis is still great
i don't think yinlin weapon is good plus she's a sub dps you're just gonna go moonlit and electro moonlit just stick with 5 star or 4 rectifier ( pref r4/5) don't waste your pulls on yinlin in the other hand xiangli has a good weapon if you don't have it
Pulling for weapon because 1) It looks great and will be her BiS. 2) Weapon banner is guaranteed so why not support this VERY generous gacha game and dev team? May all Camellya wanters be havers! 🙌🏼
Bro you’ll be fine wit eog your obviously just not gonna do as much dmg as you would with the sig, I don’t know why people in these comments are making it seem like you have to pull for the weapon😭😭
if you have this weapon + zhezhi you can reach 100% basic attack damage bonus even without getting it on echo. if you have echo basic attack % it becomes higher 😂
Dont listen to content creators they will spew all kinds slop just so they can talk about something. If you like cammelya and want her to do decent damage you should pull for the weapon
Huh now I really don't know. I kinda want 2 5-star swords because I use 2 sword users at the same time, and I never really considered getting 2 Emeralds. Yeah idk 🙃
For F2P, you can skip. But for mid spenders to whales, get it. Weapons in this game have low pity and guaranteed, so it would be a waste to skip them. Unless you want to pull every banner, then that's a problem.
Eh I tried going with EoG and could clear all ToA stages with all stars with her only having her skills on lvl7 bcz I lack materials. Imma save my 19k for future stuff Edit: 4 of my 5 echos have crit rate/dmg and basic attack stats. Kinda blessed
I hear it's gonna be jinshi rerun in 2.0. Sadly, had to skip on her weapon for Changli (lost the 50/50 😭😭). So I am gonna skip on hear weapon for Jinshi weapon.
I'm lucky I have 2 Emerald of Genesis then😅 means i can comfortably swap them around aa they're BOTH level 80. May pull for her weapon though, that drip is nice
I been pulling for weapons for a few banner now. Finally got my first weapon. This sword weapon. Looks do cool. And i saw the title dont pull this weapon 😂😂. Too late.
Understand this. I never pull weapons for meta I always pull for drip.
drip > meta🤣
True
Lol, the only game where weapons don't really matter, but you still want to get it for that DRIP
Then its good that they're introducing weapon skins.
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If you're gonna main her and investment in her and her future possible teams, that weapon provides crazy dmg bonuses to her compared to the other options we have.
I don't understand if people don't know what a signature weapon means. It's literally made for the said character. If you aren't gonna pull for the character, you don't pull the weapon. If you don't have enough astrites for the weapon, you don't pull it. If the playstyle or whatever for the character is kinda meh for you and you only pull the character for the collection, you don't pull the weapon. Otherwise, I genuinely don't see the point in not pulling a character's signature weapon if you are going for the character. Other character's are gonna only utilize the main stats from the sig weapon and that is all while the standard 5* weapons are just going to be second best option after the signature ones.
@GTRaijin I think you don't understand that some ppl prefer saving and spending only for chars since it's a completely new experience unlike weapons and F2P's cannot always invest in signature weapons. I have seen ppl who have 6 to 7 limited chars but not even a single signature weapon.
@@GTRaijin Thats true but you also need to understand the numbers behind these things sometimes the signature weapons dont provide a major damage differences when compared to the standard weapons
A good example would be changli's sig wep,it is only 10% better than the standard weaponz if your a free to play you have limited pulls and a lot of the times spending 70 pulls to gain 10% in damage is super not worth to most free to play players.
My point is everyone knows the signature weapon is the best for the unit but people care about how much of a difference it makes when compared to available weapons, for me atleast 15% or greater damage improvement from second best option is a must pull, below that imma skip.
😂it’s not like it’s not guaranteed either so it’s literally easier to go for signature weapons
@@ClarkHamilton-y9e Signatures provide very less value if you don't even have limited chars to pair them with, you're argument is the dumbest take I have ever read lmaooo no offence xD
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also guys: for more efficiency, we will most likely run camellya with sanhua. so its not a bad thing grabbing her sword if u skipped changli weapon. my sanhua is build as sub dps and she can take a 5* sword as well ;D
gonna definetly get her weapon!
Aside from speedrunners, don't think it's necessary to go for a 5* Weapon for Sanhua. While she can put out some bursts of damage, it's just more efficient on resources not investing much into her until after all your main DPS's are covered pretty much. I've been using Encore to clear ToA since Lv. 80 w/ Jinzhou Keeper and a Lv. 50 Sanhua with no talents. Assuming she's at least on Encore's level of DPS, EoG is good enough for Camellya.
Good point. In general we have many sword users and there are duo-sword teams. Getting two 5* swords is a serious value. Video doesn't present the situation very well.
But Sanhua does not really benefit from Basic Attack Bonus. It synergy is not as big as many people think.
Are you really going to perform her BA5?
@@DisIngRaM Bro... Guy said about playing Camellya with Sanhua and you think they meant giving Camellya's sword to... Sanhua?... Point is - to have TWO 5* swords, it's valuable because of situations like this. Also, 5* weapons are still easily better regardless whether character benefits much from passive or not. Difference in stats is just too big, plus - crit stat helps with builds - is even much better in practice than DPS calculation comparisons will tell you. Hope that's helpful.
I got 2 emeralds, one changli weapon.
I give one to rover, one to sanhua and changli gets gets her own, i would love to pick up camellya weapon but rn I have to pull on both character and weapon so I probably won't get her weapon, welp doesn't matter , if I can't get her weapon then that means someone else in future is getting that weapon lol since it's a guaranteed
please guys if you have enouph asterites pleeease pull on the camellya weapon dont do the same mistake like us who dont pull on jinshi weapon because this weapon is on the same lvl 😳
I see no reason to not pull for her weapon if you want to get the best performance out of her at s0 especially in this game where weapons are guaranteed. The only reason you would skip the weapon if you don't have enough pulls to get both the character and the weapon
@@RAJA_XYLO i think hes just saying the feeling of regret for no pull the jinshi weapon because the extremely difference of power in his signature and the others ones
but also what u saying about if not enought pulls to get both character and weapon its better just to pulls to none its hell damn true
I got jinshi and her weapon the only character don’t have for her weapon is YinLin and she still does a lot of damage but I’ll pulling for camellya weapon I like the design
the problem is I have nothing else to use on her and I refuse to use a majority of my astirites on the standard banner sword at that point just get the sig. Also just the drip, she deserves it
We're getting a free weapon skin that matches with her anyway iirc. Don't have Emerald of Genesis already from the free pulls/Lv. 45 chest?
@@Zer0Perplexity You mean the pink kitten looking skin? Personally I don't like it, same with the transparent weapons skin-line.
@@Zer0Perplexity that skin looks shit 🤮. Ain't nobody using that skin especially on their 5 stars
bro standard weapons literally one is given for free and rest can be just achieved overtime
@@tienmanhnguyen3422 transparent skins sound cool for Gauntlets and Rectifier users, but idk about Swords. The other skin though seems to match Camellya's theme from what I saw.
If u don’t pull for her weapon she gonna do things to u😭
hahaha true
I don't mind she doing things to me
Doesn't sound too bad
Nice
So don't pull? Got it
Bro the ultimate boss of dislexia
i saved 30k astrites for this lady,im all in
GL on your pulls
Bros tryna s6 r5
Almost 15k here, I hope I can pull her and her weapon!
Man... Awesome
me as well! + 80 radiant tides
I think the issue is say you have one emerald of genesis and youre going to use two sword users on one team for example youre going to use Sanuha with either Havoc Rover or Camellya. I guess four star weapons are also an option depending on their refinement. Maybe people didnt get Changli's signature so id say its worth to pick up Camellya's sig then. But yeah if youre just using one sword user on a team then I agree emerald of genesis is totally fine.
Yeah I'd say you're better off trying to get another EoG than this weapon. It's like Zhezhi's weapon all over again, but the Standard 5* can compete.
@@Zer0Perplexity bruh her weapon is like 20% better than EoG and for a dps thats huge. Its Jinhsi all over again 🤦🏻♂️
@@RAJA_XYLO Jinhsi didn't have a Crit 5* to compete with. Verdant Summit scales heavy attack which is rarely used by most Resonators and the Standard doesn't have Crit. Jinhsi's weapon also just has universally good stats since most Resonators deal a good amount of damage with their skills and has a simple way of activating it's full potential.
Then there's Camellya's weapon where only she can activate the full potential of the weapon and it's likely to be that way for some time as I doubt they will start releasing many Sword users that can consume their concerto without swapping. It also requires at least 3 basics before it's in full effect, so Resonators who minimize their Basic Attack usage won't benefit much from it. If you're a spender/whale, I'd say go for it, but otherwise better off just grabbing Camellya since EoG is plenty strong. Assuming Camellya is on at least Encore's level of DPS, she'll be great with EoG.
@zeroperplexity her sig weapon effect give around 82% damage bonus and you still want to compare it with emerald sword? If you gonna play camellya get her sig.
You gonna regret it if you dont. Jinhsi and camellya need their sig so bad. Her sig is not the same case as changli. For changli you can use emerald sword instead.
@@jahatkeh10 Maygi video is out. Weapon is only 19% stronger than EoG, which matches what another video's calculation said. As someone who has been clearing with 4* DPS's with Standard Banner weapons or less, you don't need a Signature weapon to use a 5* DPS.
Like i said before, Jinhsi's weapon was so good before cause it had essentially no competition. Heavy Attack DMG is rarely used on anyone making Verdant Summit a niche weapon while Lustrous Razor requires 3 Skill uses to boost only Liberation DMG which is pretty niche as well.
Her weapon is so good for her, well she is fully basic atk based and with her weapon we are getting 70% basic atk and 12% atk
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Agreed, this weapon is more for a specialist kind of type, in which you'd gamble that it could even be another Sword user that focuses on normal attack damage, and if there is... they'd have their own weapon, which would powercreep this one for Camellya, or it'd basically be a 4☆ character.
Counter argument tho- using two sword users in the same team, this could be a nice stat stick at the end of the day. Rover and Danjin dont like to share if they're both gonna be on field.
Fair point but if you're running her with danjin then pulling for her weapon will allow danjin to use emerald sword which is probably a more substantial upgrade to team dps overall. Just a thought
Probably isn't in the cards for me unless I find the fabled asterite tree that gives 10+ pulls worth of asterite a day.
After Shorekeeper's and now Camellya's weapon nerf, i believe they dont want us swapping out signature weapons amongst resonators and they deeply regret Yinlin's weapon.
I just got her the only reason I'm probably gonna skip on her weapon is because i want to get yinlin's weapon because i was 20 pulls short before her banner ended. I'm initially 30 pulls in the weapon banner before she dropped.
If im not misteken, As current characters, for now Consuming concerto energy without swapping only in camelya kit.
Correct
70% basic atk dmg bonus is a big difference. Eog is really gud but it's not just as gud. Her signature weapon is 18% better than the eog
Yeah, but that's about as significant as every other DPS signature weapon in the game. (Well, except for Changli.)
The difference is that, in the case of other signature weapons, even when a character doesn't really benefit from their passive skill, they are at least a good stat stick.
Plus, there is normally only one "layer" required for a character to use them effectively, (their DMG type must match the weapon) while on Camellya's weapn half of the passive skill is locked behind a requirement that only Camellya is able to fulfil.
In other words... If you ONLY care about Camellya's damage output, or if you can afford to go for every limited weapon, sure, go for it! But if you have limited resources, this is one of the least valuable limited weapons in terms of account progression. (The closest comparison would probably be Zhezhi's weapon.)
Also keep in mind that almost all her damage comes from basic attack. I even saw a resonance chain that turns her heavy attack nuke into basic att dam
@@joaomarcoscosta4647 Not really a bad investment, since Camellya's sig passives can benefit ANY sword user, unless said sword user is heavily reliant on skill damage. But that's a measley 6 - 12% at rank 1, and that is if you can skill twice before the previous stack does not vanish. Camellya's does the same, PLUS basic damage multiplier that stacks easily 3 times, PLUS another massive boost at concerto use. Energy recharge? You wouln't need so much if you got proper echoes.
@@joaomarcoscosta4647 if u meant how viable this weapon is for other characters as well then I understand but this weapon is also just as gud as changli's weapon for their specific resonators. Even Jinshi's signature was only 12% better than jiyan's weapon. Still a ton of people got it. And her weapon is also locked behind her kit cuz we have no broad blade user that depends on skill dmg like her up until now. I'm going for it cuz I have enough saved up. But yea people who don't have enough resources can make due with eog. It's not like it's the end of the world. But her will make a big difference compared to eog or blazing brilliance.
@@sylphielyuiagravante Not just skill damage... For any character who doesn't rely heavily on Basic attacks, her weapon is more os less equivalent to EoG. (Minus the Energy Recharge, which as you mentioning is not a big loss, but still.)
Right now, if we go by Prydwen's calculations, 28% of Havoc Rover's damage comes from basic attacks... But only if you are using a "Main DPS" rotation and doing 2 full basic attack rotations while their forte is active.
For all other characters, assuming Prydwen's rotations, no more 6% of their damage output comes from basic attacks.
So, yeah, the only sword user that benefits from Camellya's passive's is Rover, and even then it's not a huge difference.
8:15 "what's it called.. changli?" WHAT? how could you forget the best girl's name? The disrespect on my wife...
Bro not only forgot how to read, but he also forgot the best girl 😔
@@Krymms exactly.
Worst girl TBH
@@ControversialOpinionGuy L take
OUR wife
I just skimmed through the video and didn’t see any calculations on screen. Does anybody have some kind of figure on how much better her sig is compared to the standard sword or Changli’s signature? Thanks.
Cammy sig weapon is like 20% better than EoG might be even more
Baseline is 20% worse. But as with all chars and sig on this game - the more godly your echoes and overall investment, the greater the divide. In wuwa, sigs are basically always must have, if you want to have a good time with a character.
@@glebscheglov9291 yea i use a r1 4 star weapon on xiangli yao and he hits garbage numbers
you can also get Emerald of Genesis in multiple different colors on Wuthering Waves Model Importer in order to match her drip a bit better. So less value on the aesthetic as well.
Over 600 pulls, been saving since launch!
Least dedicated Camellya wanter
I am on yinlin n stringmaster banner since i dont have both also Encore and zhezhi build up. So my best gamble will be getting yinlin and stringmaster.
Still her sig weap is the best for her, if her kit was all around basic atk probably he hit like hell in its reso lib
Smithers: 'But shes got a new hat!'
I would also just like to preface, there are plenty of weapon skins bound for the future too, you may not like the cat sword one, but there will be even further less incentive to pull weapons when good ones come
Understood, it's not universal. But this is like iphone vs blackberry, the weapon is way too good for her.
Also future modes might not allow weapon swapping as a smart business move.
kuro would get a lot of backlash for that, if they wanted to do that they would have done it since release
From all the videos I've seen that did the math it's only like a 17-20% increase from Emerald of Genesis. That being because the majority of the bonus doesn't activate till the later half of her rotation. It also having a condition that is unique to her makes it pretty much the Zhezhi weapon of Swords.
@@09syl-41 I mean ‘future’ modes, so things such as a new permanent endgame mode would be fair grounds to prevent echo/weapon swapping.
As for backlash so be it, if the company wants to make money then they’ll take some heat.
@comrade7111 unless it's backlash from CN players
Since i already have Changli's weapon and Emerald Genesis which give C.Dmg/C.Rate, I'm going to skip the new limited swords, unless it provides team buffing. Just 3 five-star weapon for each type is enough in this game.
That basic attack boost from her weapon is not something to sleep on
Its Jinhsi all over again. Let them skip they will regret it later just like people who skipped Jinhsi weapon are saving for her weapon now lol 😂
I mean just look how she'd perform, if it's same level or higher than jinhsi it would be good. Else you lack of dps on your team it would be good
@@RaihanSatrio i did some math and found the signature weapon performs around 28% better than emerald of genesis. that's pretty insane. also compared to jinhsi, she does less burst damage but more total damage given more time
also remember ur only getting around half of that basic dmg bonus on characters who are not camellya bc it requires consuming concerto energy without swapping
love these gamba keep it up😁👍
That weapon will also be great on Havok Rover. In their dark surge state, basic attack is deadly, especially fresh off Sanhau's and Shorekeeper's buffs. And it frees up Emerald for Sanhau who will benefit from the crit rate and higher attack.
Though if you're strapped for asterite and you can only go for 1 weapon at a time, Stringless is absolutely worth going after. ESPECIALLY if you have Encore. Yeah, how messed up is that? Stringless was designed from the ground up to synergize with Yinlin and yet it's arguably better on Encore. Yes, Linlin is a sub DPS, but Encore is a hyper carry. If you can choose which one gets it's, I'd go for the field hogger.
I’m going to get her weapon because even though I have emerald of Genesis I’m going to be running her with Danjin or sanhua so I need a second sword. Also it looks sick.
if you dont have another 5 star sword aside from standard its still a decent pull aside from stats youre likely going to need another sword anyways the 3 best sub dps with her are sanhua danjin and havoc rover assuming we get s4 they all use swords and so far the only weapons weve seen that are worth pulling are string master and steller symphony every other weapon just buffs a specific damage stat for its intended user also basic attack might be the safest stat to buff since everyone uses ba's for energy so you can always use the buff no matter how small it is in your damage
Indeed, at least it is better than emerald on everyone which isn't very hard to do but still. Also if you ever want to pair Cammellya up with another sword user your still going to need a extra sword
The new permanent, end-game mode coming out in 1.4 does not allow weapon swaps. Depending on how you enjoy the game you may want to use 2 sword dps in quickswap but are hindered. At some point 1 5 star may not be enough unless future 4 stars are good alternatives
bro. i don't pull on sigs for the meta. i just pull on them cause i want the waifu looking cool with her weapon.
On Concerto Energy consumed, raise basic attack for 10 seconds.
Is Camelya a character that can attack offfield?
I think, this cater to the new mechanic where all 3 characters in the party all attack at once.
That iPhone analogy made no sense because no weapon other than the BIS for that specific character is better because it's tailored specifically for the character. I'm getting it simply because I'm a PGR vet and know exactly how generous Kuro is and also, watch all the comparison videos come out and instantly prove you wrong because of the way her attack scales
@@Prodigal450 yeah he wasn't saying it's worse than the other options it's just that value wise for your account it's not that big cause of its niche bonus. Changli's Sword for example has a lot of value because its full buff technically can be built up by anyone and is BiS for a lot of units (Spectro Rover, Danjin & Sanhua). Meanwhile Camellya's Sword could be BiS for Havoc Rover, but only if you play them in their long rotation rather than their quick burst one and only until another Sword comes out with more accessible buffs.
@Zer0Perplexity if I understand correctly, it's not worth it because it's only good for camellya and no one else? I have no intention of giving her weapon to anyone else tho
@@Prodigal450 its abt the long term value, yt said if u like camellya alot u can get the weapon if u want
It would be good to have numbers but this is good for casuals too. One of the main downside of Camellya signature is Sanhua exists. Most teams are gonna use her and some minority teams gonna use Danjin as sub dps.
Camellya's damage is all basic attack dmg. The crit stat stick argument for EoG is missing the +70% basic attack damage of Camellya's weapon. It will likely be around 20% more total dmg for Camellya compared to EoG. Also, if you don't have 2 EoG, your sanhua will also be less optimized since you would put EoG on Camellya.
I'm not pulling this weapon, i thought it was gonna be good for rover too but it's too tuned for only camellya
was my think also, I'll use the standard sword on her for sure and save some pulls, now with the transmog feature they are introducing for weapons, you can have it looking in a different way if the look of that standard sword offends someone.
Came here to see how good her weapon is. I pulled both camellya and her weapon first multi off both banners.
I think her basic attack damage will pop off like an smg... so she will see insane damage benefit from her weapon
Yoooooo I’m early let’s goo
Just pull for the weapon beacuse is camellya signature and is fit camellya soo much❤
Can someone tell me why i keep seeing/hearing the number "20%" getting thrown around when comparing Genesis to camellya sig? 20% is a lot; Wouldn't it basically be a "must pull" for her if it's that 20%?
Genesis actually very good on her. even though you will be missing 20% damage you still will be doing a ton of damage. If your ftp I would skip honestly and save your pulls since her sig is kinda a over kill.
does anybody know the name of the music in the background ?
I will pull this weapon and use it as an impromptu wedding ring for my wife: Camellya.
I got 2 Emeralds lvl 90/80, so i won't be pulling her weapon anyway. I'll do so on re-runs if there's nothing better to get or i don't need to save for something else.
I'll definitely save for the 5* gun, i only got 4*, so gonna wait until that resonator comes for the gun.
if you are aspiring camellya main and you're not planning to pull her weapon you are only bricking your camellya
I PULLED FOR HER AND HER WEAPON.... HOW COULD YOU NOT ....
She is a great character I am just waiting on Drip market characters saving hard RN
I already have Xiangli Yao and his weapon, yinlin and her weapon and I have like 140 pulls saved up so far, f2p, so is it worth it going for her weapon?
ALL IN!!
I think you're missing that this is also best in slot for Rover, significantly so for havoc form, and since they intend to release additional forms down the road, this is probably a sound investment even for f2p.
Also, since Danjin is the best havoc sub dps, you can throw the other stat stick on her if you have it.
Barely better then Emerald of genesis for havoc rover. The unique passive is only usable by Camellya, so Havoc rover doesnt get the extra damage from the unique passive and Havoc rover's E hits 2+2 times and his ult is also very strong. Havoc rover basic attacks a lot, but in reality, not even half of his damage is basic attack damage.
If I'm lucky with camellya I will pull on the weapon regardless, just for the comfort of having it always on and not swapping)) EOG already has too many characters using it, also in case I want to go with danjin camellya combo or something where you would need 2 sword characters in a comp
So in this banner I've really lost a lot. Lost 50/50 to jianxin and have to spend 74 more to win cammelya. And right now my weapon pull is 51.
In short, I'm broke. So I'm wondering if I should pursue cam sig weapon or wait for yinlin weapon
I have genesis. And I'm thinking of using jianxin as sub dps since wuwa keep giving her to me(already c3)
How is she gonna be a Crazy Women without her weapon
My Emerald of Genesis is on my Rover... So I'll pull this weapon either way, cause Camellya is one of the big reason I play... So I want to make her viable as possible...
Bro thinks I wont pull the weapon just to match the drip
I really want to see Camellya’s skill tree to see if she gains crit thru her skill evolution. As of now with a crit weapon and cd cost 4 echo I have about 60% crit hoping thats enough
From what I’ve seen she gets crit damage on the skill tree. About 17%
@@cyndrez9694Oh ok thanks for the info I’ll keep that in mind
I do think You don't need to get Her weapon 100% just to get her kicking mobs and bosses but I do think if you want that max damage then You might wanna get her weapon as it gives basic attack damage %. Although the non limited 5* Sword will also help those who can't afford to get her weapon becuz You can work around with it anyway and she is definitely still gonna be good anyway.
I'll definitely try to get her weapon too as I don't really have a plan to pull for any other character for a while until a certain banner looks interesting for me (especially dps with different elements) so that I could get Jinshi to S2 at least when she gets a re-run therefore the nuke button shall exist in rapid fire. LOL
I only get characters if I can get their weapon too.
I just skip more characters to do that.
Whens the update
Iphone analogy means they are all almost the same.
wait hol up
the 2nd part needs to consume concerto? so you swap her into outro to trigger it?
or does she have a way to burn her concerto w/o swapping out
pls correct me if im wrong i think thats a mistranslation again
She can consume concerto while on field. The second part is literally impossible for any character to activate other than Camellya
@@maokeey ah ok so basically she's also kina bad for shorekeeper oof,
welp nothing bad in just spending the 7 pulls you get every start of the update if not genesis is still great
you pull for waifu, you pull for her signature weapon....nuff said
I'll go for it I want that basic attack dmg boost if I have to keep camellya on the field all the time.
No you will have to keep her on field all the time only if you get her weapon its in the weapon passive
@@div7716 Even without her weapon you need her to be on the field most of the time 🤨
if f2p character first if u really like the character get the weapon on the rerun
i don't think yinlin weapon is good
plus she's a sub dps you're just gonna go moonlit and electro moonlit just stick with 5 star or 4 rectifier ( pref r4/5) don't waste your pulls on yinlin in the other hand xiangli has a good weapon if you don't have it
I have the standard 5 star weapon and Changli's signature weapon already. so mind as well save for Jinshi rerun and her weapon
Pulling for weapon because 1) It looks great and will be her BiS. 2) Weapon banner is guaranteed so why not support this VERY generous gacha game and dev team? May all Camellya wanters be havers! 🙌🏼
I only pull for the character's weapon if i absolutely love the character and i know it buffs them a lot. So yeah i'm going all in.
I like her weapon but I have emerald of gemesis its just yinlin's weapon is a top priority right now i will get her weapon on her rerun
Bro you’ll be fine wit eog your obviously just not gonna do as much dmg as you would with the sig, I don’t know why people in these comments are making it seem like you have to pull for the weapon😭😭
gonna pull her weapon for the drip
I will pull her weapon cus I love Camellya
She loves rover
Isn’t camillia weapon good for rover havoc?
You can only activate up to 30% basic atk dmg bonus because the second effect of the weapon can only be activated by camellya only for now.
Im getting it cuz I want a second sword
if you have this weapon + zhezhi you can reach 100% basic attack damage bonus even without getting it on echo. if you have echo basic attack % it becomes higher 😂
still pulling for it
1:00 Dude, you can do a second take. This isn't live.
Thanks for the info. Rather than pull on Camellya's weapon, I'll just get her and pull on my own weapon.
Dont listen to content creators they will spew all kinds slop just so they can talk about something. If you like cammelya and want her to do decent damage you should pull for the weapon
Kek!
I have a spare changli weapon so I'm gonna use that
Why not just stack it into Changli's, it's not like they're going to be on the same team anyway.
@Krymms the amount of increase in the passive of the sword is like 1% increase and for me that's not worth it
Huh now I really don't know. I kinda want 2 5-star swords because I use 2 sword users at the same time, and I never really considered getting 2 Emeralds. Yeah idk 🙃
Then if the only one handed sword I have in my account is the standard 5 star then this might still be worth it for me I guess??
Correct. If anything it can be used as a stat stick on other characters as well.
For F2P, you can skip. But for mid spenders to whales, get it. Weapons in this game have low pity and guaranteed, so it would be a waste to skip them. Unless you want to pull every banner, then that's a problem.
I will pull her weapon becauseit will help for future basic attack dmg dealer. F2p😊
Eh I tried going with EoG and could clear all ToA stages with all stars with her only having her skills on lvl7 bcz I lack materials. Imma save my 19k for future stuff
Edit: 4 of my 5 echos have crit rate/dmg and basic attack stats. Kinda blessed
I will pull no mater the sub stat, Just need signature for my lovely camellya....
I hear it's gonna be jinshi rerun in 2.0. Sadly, had to skip on her weapon for Changli (lost the 50/50 😭😭). So I am gonna skip on hear weapon for Jinshi weapon.
im sorry but i need a second sword to field Danjin and Camellya at the same time and i don't have Emerald of Genesis (but i do have changli's sword)
I'm thinking to get the standard 5star wepon for her......cuz I really want yinlin's signature weapon
You'll regret it lol
@jefre117 I'm having astrite shortage 🥲
Drip is everything
I'm lucky I have 2 Emerald of Genesis then😅 means i can comfortably swap them around aa they're BOTH level 80. May pull for her weapon though, that drip is nice
Me pull weapon just for drip, I'm not even read the weapon passive or skill lol
I been pulling for weapons for a few banner now. Finally got my first weapon. This sword weapon. Looks do cool.
And i saw the title dont pull this weapon 😂😂. Too late.
Looking this up because ill always have the cat paw weapon skin on her anyways
If I pulled Camellya early… 🙏🏻 I’m gonna go for her weapon too…
If not…😢 I’m gonna skip both because Yinlin will add more value to my account…
still going to get it she desrve it mwehehe