Thank you very much for including the video of the fights of the guys from the Russian Wing Chun Federation! Thanks to subscribers and viewers for watching. We all who practice martial arts are part of a big family, and I would like that, despite the distances, we had more in common! Martial arts can help us with this! I shake hands with everyone! Yes, and write in the response comments - how do you like the guys’ fights?
@@Skaxarrat Thank you for your kind words. The guy in the red helmet is really very good, a multiple winner of the Russian Wing Chun Cup in his weight category.
Greetings from a fellow martial artist in Los Angeles, California! I respect that you guys are training/fighting realistically with your Wing Chun. If you have videos of your people fighting against other styles, I'd be really interested to watch them. Best wishes to you!
Did you notice how different these examples look to a lot of the other videos, in that these videos show that these guys have all been exposed to sparring/fighting, and it shows.
Yep, ALMOST every martial art (i could say every one of them but) will work as long as you spar, as long as you train it right. I say almost because there are weird things like the "No touch K.O." styles that will never work, BUT if people from those styles started sparring, even they would learn to scrap! Lol. Sure, they won't be using their Chi attacks, but they will surely be (mediocre) fighters haha
Because fighting is fighting, no matter what if you continuously spar and do strength training you will get better. Bajiquan and other kungfu styles all have punches and kicks. You can imagine before the styles became weak as people stopped actual sparring, kungfu likely looked like an early form of mma with strikes, grappling and ground game
That throw the Baji guy did in 0:18 is a Fan Bei Shuai and the one on 0:47 is a reverse Guah Tah Love how you broke down the Mantis-Southern fist match as well. Love that TCMAs are making a comeback for that respect. Thanks for this
Coach Vasily gave more information on his Wing Chun organization: GM Donald Mak was born in 1961, the Year of Ox. He was fortunate enough to have become a student and disciple of Great Grand Master Chow Tze Chuen ( 鄒子傳 ) in 1979. The late Great Grand Master Chow was one of a handful of direct students of Grandmaster Yip Man, the teacher of the late kung fu legend, Bruce Lee. From 1987, GM Mak began serving as an Instructor in Great Grand Master Chow’s Kung Fu school where he helped coach and train his Wing Chun classmates. In 1997, with his master’s encouragement and blessing, he started his own Wing Chun school under the name, “Hong Kong Wing Chun Institute,”teaching both group and private lessons until the present time. The school’s name was later changed to the “International Wing Chun Organization” in 2008 to reflect the global development of the school. The school's branches in Russia are represented in 50 cities of the country. The all-Russian competitions are held annually: the Cup of Russia in St. Petersburg and the Great Grand Master Chow Tze Chuen Memorial Cup combined with the all-Russian Wing Chun training camps.
Anyone see that kick catch from Baji guy? There’s a reason why Sanda took a lot from Bajiquan. I would say I’d train Sanda, but that kinda falls under Kickboxing (It’s got the nickname “Chinese Kickboxing) so I’m gonna go a different route. To train for Kickboxing/MMA I’d have to train for dofferent aspects: Punching: Shaolin Longfist, Mantis, Leopard Fist, maybe Wing Chun Kicking: White Crane, Choy Li Fut Elbows/Knees: Bajquan Takedowns: Shuai Jiao, Taijiquan, Japanese Jujutsu (especially Tenshin Ryu, the style that influenced Judo) Joint locks: Japanese Jujutsu Footwork: Monkey Trapping: Hung Gar, Southern Dragon Great, now I’m an early modern MMA athlete. Watch out Ming Dynasty, your new champion is here.
this is what YOU need. The wushu is wide and every specific substyles or practices it contains have different perspectives and needs. From my perspective, I miss the kind of "parkour" skills that used to be trained in Northern *shaolin* styles, for example.
Amazing fights, a bit sad that first BaJi guy didn't use elbows a bit more, was it in the rules that elbows weren't allowed? Mantis guy was really great too, we can argue that one finger in the eye wouldn't stop a fight, but maybe 10 in a row is something else.
Mantis is also known for clinching. In fact if you do a lot of muay thai clinch/sweeps in the air you will find yourself in very classic mantis stances.
@@shareenear9344I don’t know that much about Kudo I’ve only seen a couple videos. Sambo has wrestling and leglocks alongside striking and judo throws and joint locks. Only techniques Sambo is missing to be completely mma are heel hooks and chokes. My point was that if you learn sambo you don’t have to cross train as much since it has a solid striking and grappling base.
If I could only learn 2 arts outside of the big 5 for MMA, Judo would be my first pick. Second choice would be Sanda. If you did Judo from 4-17 you'd be a monster grappler. Sanda teaches you striking and more importantly how to use striking to enter for throwing. Sanda has arguably the best transitions from striking to grappling and Judo the best transitions from standing to ground. There's a lot to be said about being able to own the transitions.
I prefer these layouts over standard MMA - (Hung gar, aikido, capoeira) , or (Hapkido,wingchun,catch wrestling) or (Kalari Payat & drunken boxing) or (kosen Judo & Taekyon) or (tang soo do,Mantis,malla yuda) or (ninjutsu,bagua,qi na) or (HEMA , kuk sool won, jujutsu) or ( l'arte de armizar, karate,shuai jiao) or (Lethwei,iaido,dog boxing) or (Mardani Khel,vovinam viet vo dao, luta livre) or any of the heavys that are close to MMA are pretty strong alone like Sambo-Vale tudo-kajukembo-Kung Fu/wushu-Kudo
Following from Bruce Lee, I'd learn Fencing... Yup, watch the footwork and distance manipulation by the best sword fencers. They can close 3-4 m gaps in the blink of an eye. Wing Chun would definitely be in my arsenal with Sambo, Silat and Karate -- I would also put Bruce's Jeet Kune Do philosophy to work... (JKD being a philosophy, not a martial art -- so many people getting that wrong these days...) I think anyone training in these disciplines would be a formidable fighter... Distance manipulation ✔️ Speed ✔️ Grappling ✔️ Striking ✔️ Kicking ✔️ Tactical awareness ✔️
All those sparring sessions are cool. I would also like to see the wing chun against other styles. In a 'friendly" way, to improve each other's skills.
Praying Mantis Kungfu is no joke. At the old times, Kyokushin seniors did dojo storming and Praying Mantis kungfu is one of the Toughest and even defeat some of the Senior Kyokushin guys. I have seen that videos and amazed.
@@FightCommentary yes i saw it on youtube.. I will try to find it again, not easy to find because maybe the title is not very popular and it was vintage. Will let you know when i found it
Good stuff, really shows that the training methods (integrating pratical aspects i.e. sparring) make all the difference when it comes to the applicability of (traditional) martial arts. Yes it starts to look a lot more like actual fighting, since it is - but on the other hand it also shows that the principles taught in many of those TMAs hold some real merit if excercised and performed by a practically versed and competent person. Of course it would be interesting to see how these people would hold up against someone proficient in some of the more "established" martial arts (combat sports) - but in that case I'd say the outcome would indeed be more dependent on who is the better martial artist rather than the specific style/art itself. Anyways, great performance by all of the people shown, much more interesting to watch and to take inspiration from than just delusional people getting very predictably reality checked by actual fighters. Although the latter can be quite entertaining sometimes, still. Regarding your last question: I probably would give a combination of Karate, Savate, WC and Judo a try. Maybe even some UCC Cadena if I felt adventurous.
Hi @FightCommentary, the guy in red from the second fight has a guard stance that reminds me of Xing Yi Quan as well as the way he hits. The high kick and the takedonws seems to be taken from Sanda or something like that.
I'd pick something like nippon kempo or kudo daido juku - they're both essentially MMA in a gi. Very heavily based in Karate (nippon kempo is based in shito-ryu and kudo is based off kyokshin) with grappling techniques from judo and/or (japanese!) jujutsu mixed in. (I would recommend you take a look at one of these arts, it might make for a fun video given the protective armour they wear while sparring.) To really round out my grappling I'd need to take some kind of submission-focused art though so judo, but specifically the Kosen variant, which focuses almost exclusively on newaza.
Simple truth: you fight the way you train. Practitioners of Kung Fu and all traditional martial arts are capable of fighting if their training includes combat style fighting drills, regular sparring and fight lab style experimentation. Many immensely skilled Kung Fu practitioners who do well in fight competitions are from Eastern Europe and Japan because their cultures value sparring and fight competitions. In answer to your question, If I have to pick new arts to learn that aren’t part of the big 5 you named, I’d pick Aikido, Tae Kwon Do, fencing, Jeet Kun Do, Kali.
Not sure about Seven Star in particular, but Mantis is a grappling art. The mantis hook hands represent slapping on a clinch and weighing your opponent down, bringing them in close.
I'd be interested to see how wing chun can augment someone's approach to clinching or grabs if they are train in the more common MMA-related disciplines. If they could integrate the non-punching fast hands and redirection into their fighting repertoire, it might be interesting to see.
I've been practicing a few different Chinese martial arts for health, fitness, and spirituality reasons for around 16 years now, and mantis (specifically Wah Lum Pai) has been one of the ones I've loved incorporating into my sparring. It's definitely a long range style, but the finger jabs don't translate the best into sport fighting. Something that I've cross trained for a couple years now and found to complement mantis in sparring well is some out-boxing. Flicker jabs complement mantis's general game plan well and are definitely far more effective in a sport setting than the finger jabs. On the other hand, the hooking and hand trapping techniques from mantis give your hands a more proactive role in defense and are more effective when sparring with MMA style gloves. I'd love to try to get some footage of myself out to you, but currently recovering from a leg injury. If we have any other mantis practitioners in here, give it a try and see how it works for you.
for the question, I'd learn Judo and Karate, specifically one of the 3 okinawan styles, probably Uechi because they like competing in knockdown rules, unlike the other ones (they spar and fight too just not as much) Judo because I really wanted to do Judo but I couldn't afford the membership or the gi and the only school I found was hours away and as a higschooler I had to settle for bjj which has no gi and it was closer and cheaper! Half of my game would be exactly the same cuz all my striking is already karate lol
Like you were saying about the guy striking to the eyes. This is exactly why traditional Chinese boxing cannot be used in the ring. All strikes are to vital points like eyes, throat, groin, knees, ankles, hips, liver. Traditional Chinese boxing also grabs to pull the opponent into the punch.
If the big five weren't available, the styles I would train to become effective would probably be Silat, Kali, and Capoeira. Both Silat and Kali feature a good amount of grappling and takedowns, even if they are mostly stand-up, and Capoeira would be good for learning ring control and evasions. Currently training in a mixture of SPL and Maphilindo Silat and Kali (among other arts), and I also trained Capoeira (Abata specifically) for two years.
@@FightCommentary I do have some footage, but I'll need to get the okay from the head instructor from my gym before I send it. I'll check with him and let you know what he says.
I wanna see the BEST bullshido Tai chi, qi fighters. Have you ever seen anyone like that who could actually fight? Or maybe just a compilation of the styles that LOOKED dumb, but either worked in one instance or were being done by a person who could make it work.
To answer your funny question. I would learn Sambo (Combat and Sports version), Judo, 52 blocks, Shuai Jiao, Kyokushin Karate, Sanda and Sanshou. Do the Kickboxing styles other than standard American Kickboxing count?
I am bajiquan guy; Cheers for the guy using bajiquan in a real fight,but he did not used to its fullest and comitted some mistakes. He "box" the guy a little too much. Bajiquan depends on initiative and loses effciency if you don't "go for the kill",you have to always "conquer space" and "move forward". Other thing he did is try to do some "non baji" kicks,and in fact costed him a takedown. Most chinese martial arts depends on structure and if you keep "dismantling" the structure and breaking ir to try applying "generic techniques" is a huge red flag,both in training and combat. It shows lack of training and desperation. Bajiqan does have kicks,but they are usualy secondary and auxiliary in shortening the distance between you and your opponent so you can apply the "actual" technique. Like said in the video,the takedowns where effective,indeed,and you can see that before he does them he is actually is agressive . Bajiquan is not good in waiting opportunities,it has to create them.
Mantis relies on pain to be effective. The eye strikes are there not.only to blind, but to make the opponent flinch and guard up so shortfist techniques may be applied. The headgear removes this effectiveness, as the opponent knows there is no threat. The handguards don't help either. Mantis has nasty seize and strike techniques used to jar the neck and ko the opponent with either phoenix eye strikes or hammer fists. The mantis practicioner did well with these handicaps
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Kobudo(weapons), piguaquan (love those sweeping hammerfists), and kyokushin(kicks). Oh, and probably catch wrestling or judo, gotta get some grappling. Edit: removed boxing, I forgot that's allowed.
Old SanDa we were allowed to hit with the knee.. and every academy/family trained more its own way more or less, using kakuto headgear for example. Standardization is good, but it cuts the self exploration and uniqueness of the styles too.
I would focus on wing chun, Tae kwon do, judo, aikido, tai chi. Judo and aikido give you solid stand up/ ground grappling. Wing chun and TKD give you short range and long range striking. All of them can done correctly with respectfully training partners will allow you to train into later years. As far as training for the UFC you have to mentally be ok with seriously hurting people as a part of your sport. I’m not ok with seriously hurting people for a sport. I’m here to learn, get better, protect myself and those I care about.
Very good fights,by the way .Japan have a very good material for gear protection, in shorinji kempo it doesnt even hurt the very good strike they make, wven the helmets doest hurt that badly. Just a point i wanna make,we need to spar to very resistent gear.
If I wasn't to use the big five. Then I would try and learn the practical kung fu if you can find it. Then krav maga, jeet kun do, ninjutsu, and capoeira.
Mantis just really isn't suited for this kind of exibition. Or anything but getting sued. They literally just walked through his offense because of the helmets.
Also. I have some very interesting 52 blocks videos for you to review. Some with Lyte Burly and some with Mr.52. Though you've noticed that most of the Chinese martial artist that you've reviewed in this channel thus far lacks functional and practical defense, there's lots of videos on TH-cam showing 52 blocks being improvised efficiently in real time defensively even at the least in contrast to the no-touch,light, or medium contact sparring from various, but not all Chinese martial arts practicioners. Even though most people say that 52 blocks won't work in a fight because they don't understand the actual practical techniques of the art. The art of 52 blocks has saved my life from a knife attack on the street on two times already in my lifetime.
@@FightCommentary I'll only send the ones that include improvisation of the 52 blocks in some sparring context (no-touch sparring, light sparring, medium contact, or full contact sparring).
Here's the first one. This one was definitely very trippy for me to see before I got to understand 52 blocks as far as combat usage. Real time use of 52 blocks in an insane way with crazy reflexes. Most would rely on attempting to dodge an attack when their hands are down. Me included still to this day, but watch what happened in this short video with Mr.52 who's actually my teacher by the way: th-cam.com/video/4Xt5Sx5VkUE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mhpqo5tmsnoGM-XL
This one is full contact sparring footage using 52 blocks. The practicioner in this video is also Mr.52: th-cam.com/video/0M8Qw9lfKt0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=HSt8gjlbRRV9CgyW
You can also take a look at this video, skip to the combat sections and give your take on the traditional 52 style's execution. Cause most modern practicioners would rather do mostly boxing and wrestling with their 52 or mix it in with their chosen martial art. Even if it's just with kickboxing or MMA, but it's actually a very well rounded art in my opinion if you know the style's broad applications as it pertains to unarmed combat in striking, grappling, self defense, and defense against weapons and multiple attackers be it armed or unarmed. This art has been notorious for being effective in several penal systems in the US for very good reasons. Mainly for it's deceptive tactics: th-cam.com/video/TCn1D9Ehuqg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Gr5ZwMq45OuF9MuM
Answer: (I am assuming you are disregarding Letwei as well due to its similarity/rivalry of Muay Thai) Savate, Goju Ryu, Wrestling, Judo, Silat, & Sumo-for it's initial attacks/charges
I don't see any kungfu like I've seen in chinese kungfu movie here😂. All I see just 2 guy fighting with their fist and sometime hold something with leg
Karate guy looks like a kickboxer...at least to me. AH! And now you just said that ... there are karate fighters that don't look like kickboxing. Goju Kai fighters, chief among them.
Anyway Bro they don't need submissions when they can run through people. 😏 Why submit someone when they're already unconscious with one of their ears and their nose lying on the ground next to them ? 😂 There's no point Bro 😏
Lmao xiaodong proved nothing.. just cuz he challenges old fake Kung fu "masters" with arthritis doesn't mean Kung fu is "useless".. if man had the balls, he wouldn't have turned down Sifu Flores' request
Thank you very much for including the video of the fights of the guys from the Russian Wing Chun Federation! Thanks to subscribers and viewers for watching. We all who practice martial arts are part of a big family, and I would like that, despite the distances, we had more in common! Martial arts can help us with this! I shake hands with everyone!
Yes, and write in the response comments - how do you like the guys’ fights?
Respects to the WC people that spar. The guy in the red helmet is tough. I wish people trained like this here.
@@Skaxarrat Thank you for your kind words. The guy in the red helmet is really very good, a multiple winner of the Russian Wing Chun Cup in his weight category.
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Greetings from a fellow martial artist in Los Angeles, California! I respect that you guys are training/fighting realistically with your Wing Chun. If you have videos of your people fighting against other styles, I'd be really interested to watch them. Best wishes to you!
Did you notice how different these examples look to a lot of the other videos, in that these videos show that these guys have all been exposed to sparring/fighting, and it shows.
Yep, ALMOST every martial art (i could say every one of them but) will work as long as you spar, as long as you train it right.
I say almost because there are weird things like the "No touch K.O." styles that will never work, BUT if people from those styles started sparring, even they would learn to scrap! Lol. Sure, they won't be using their Chi attacks, but they will surely be (mediocre) fighters haha
Because fighting is fighting, no matter what if you continuously spar and do strength training you will get better. Bajiquan and other kungfu styles all have punches and kicks. You can imagine before the styles became weak as people stopped actual sparring, kungfu likely looked like an early form of mma with strikes, grappling and ground game
That throw the Baji guy did in 0:18 is a Fan Bei Shuai and the one on 0:47 is a reverse Guah Tah
Love how you broke down the Mantis-Southern fist match as well.
Love that TCMAs are making a comeback for that respect.
Thanks for this
Thanks for the move names in Bajiquan! Do you have their chinese characters? I’ll look them up!
What's the throw at 0:24 ? I've seen it in sanda before, it's a beautiful throw
@@FightCommentary 翻身背摔 and 掛塌
Coach Vasily gave more information on his Wing Chun organization:
GM Donald Mak was born in 1961, the Year of Ox. He was fortunate enough to have become a student and disciple of Great Grand Master Chow Tze Chuen ( 鄒子傳 ) in 1979. The late Great Grand Master Chow was one of a handful of direct students of Grandmaster Yip Man, the teacher of the late kung fu legend, Bruce Lee. From 1987, GM Mak began serving as an Instructor in Great Grand Master Chow’s Kung Fu school where he helped coach and train his Wing Chun classmates. In 1997, with his master’s encouragement and blessing, he started his own Wing Chun school under the name, “Hong Kong Wing Chun Institute,”teaching both group and private lessons until the present time. The school’s name was later changed to the “International Wing Chun Organization” in 2008 to reflect the global development of the school.
The school's branches in Russia are represented in 50 cities of the country. The all-Russian competitions are held annually: the Cup of Russia in St. Petersburg and the Great Grand Master Chow Tze Chuen Memorial Cup combined with the all-Russian Wing Chun training camps.
Awesome to see kung fu working!
Anyone see that kick catch from Baji guy? There’s a reason why Sanda took a lot from Bajiquan.
I would say I’d train Sanda, but that kinda falls under Kickboxing (It’s got the nickname “Chinese Kickboxing) so I’m gonna go a different route. To train for Kickboxing/MMA I’d have to train for dofferent aspects:
Punching: Shaolin Longfist, Mantis, Leopard Fist, maybe Wing Chun
Kicking: White Crane, Choy Li Fut
Elbows/Knees: Bajquan
Takedowns: Shuai Jiao, Taijiquan, Japanese Jujutsu (especially Tenshin Ryu, the style that influenced Judo)
Joint locks: Japanese Jujutsu
Footwork: Monkey
Trapping: Hung Gar, Southern Dragon
Great, now I’m an early modern MMA athlete. Watch out Ming Dynasty, your new champion is here.
This is what Kung Fu needs. Full contact sparring and competition not endless forms and classical mess.
They do have full contact sparring
😳 In the style I used to train in anyway !
this is what YOU need.
The wushu is wide and every specific substyles or practices it contains have different perspectives and needs.
From my perspective, I miss the kind of "parkour" skills that used to be trained in Northern *shaolin* styles, for example.
Facts
The forms are simply conditioning.
Amazing fights, a bit sad that first BaJi guy didn't use elbows a bit more, was it in the rules that elbows weren't allowed?
Mantis guy was really great too, we can argue that one finger in the eye wouldn't stop a fight, but maybe 10 in a row is something else.
Jab to the eye can be the set up for other attacks.
i assumed elbows were allowed given the elbow pads. Maybe just protective?
The Mantis guy was cool (the others too). The guard was weird, but seeing how they poke/jab your eyes, you wouldn't want to charge him headfirst.
Mantis is also known for clinching. In fact if you do a lot of muay thai clinch/sweeps in the air you will find yourself in very classic mantis stances.
I’m learning combat Sambo, if you train Sambo you’re essentially training mma in a gi.
thats great! Khabib as one of the greatest of all time started off in sambo!
Wouldn't mma in a gi be kudo?
@@shareenear9344sambo and kudo are very similar and similar concepts
@@shareenear9344I don’t know that much about Kudo I’ve only seen a couple videos. Sambo has wrestling and leglocks alongside striking and judo throws and joint locks. Only techniques Sambo is missing to be completely mma are heel hooks and chokes. My point was that if you learn sambo you don’t have to cross train as much since it has a solid striking and grappling base.
If I could only learn 2 arts outside of the big 5 for MMA, Judo would be my first pick. Second choice would be Sanda. If you did Judo from 4-17 you'd be a monster grappler. Sanda teaches you striking and more importantly how to use striking to enter for throwing. Sanda has arguably the best transitions from striking to grappling and Judo the best transitions from standing to ground. There's a lot to be said about being able to own the transitions.
The most foundational martial art is wrestling: folkstyle, freestyle, greco
@@senecaknowsbest8380 yeah, but he specified no wrestling, boxing, Muay Thai, BJJ, and whatever the fifth one was.
I prefer these layouts over standard MMA - (Hung gar, aikido, capoeira) , or (Hapkido,wingchun,catch wrestling) or (Kalari Payat & drunken boxing) or (kosen Judo & Taekyon) or (tang soo do,Mantis,malla yuda) or (ninjutsu,bagua,qi na) or (HEMA , kuk sool won, jujutsu) or ( l'arte de armizar, karate,shuai jiao) or (Lethwei,iaido,dog boxing) or (Mardani Khel,vovinam viet vo dao, luta livre) or any of the heavys that are close to MMA are pretty strong alone like Sambo-Vale tudo-kajukembo-Kung Fu/wushu-Kudo
The Wing Chun was impressive.
Im going to interview an instructor from that organization asap, so stay tuned!
This kind of fights are much better than 90% of mma fight.
Judo and Kali (yeah, no sticks allowed in MMA, but it teaches distance, trapping, fear of getting whacked, etc...)
They have knives too
Nice to see styles use the stances etc they train in instead of looking like second rate kickboxers.
Following from Bruce Lee, I'd learn Fencing... Yup, watch the footwork and distance manipulation by the best sword fencers. They can close 3-4 m gaps in the blink of an eye.
Wing Chun would definitely be in my arsenal with Sambo, Silat and Karate -- I would also put Bruce's Jeet Kune Do philosophy to work... (JKD being a philosophy, not a martial art -- so many people getting that wrong these days...)
I think anyone training in these disciplines would be a formidable fighter...
Distance manipulation ✔️
Speed ✔️
Grappling ✔️
Striking ✔️
Kicking ✔️
Tactical awareness ✔️
I grew up Wrestling and Boxing so I guess I’ll stick with that.
All those sparring sessions are cool.
I would also like to see the wing chun against other styles. In a 'friendly" way, to improve each other's skills.
The Mantis Man is really good. Praying some
Thats a good question excluding the big 5 what would I take.. I guess judo, savate, jkd, silat
i love Baji
ISKA is a Karate based kickboxing competition
Gr8 Wing Chun BTW so awesome to see how hard they go as well
Praying Mantis Kungfu is no joke. At the old times, Kyokushin seniors did dojo storming and Praying Mantis kungfu is one of the Toughest and even defeat some of the Senior Kyokushin guys. I have seen that videos and amazed.
Are any of those clips on TH-cam?
@@FightCommentary yes i saw it on youtube.. I will try to find it again, not easy to find because maybe the title is not very popular and it was vintage. Will let you know when i found it
Good stuff, really shows that the training methods (integrating pratical aspects i.e. sparring) make all the difference when it comes to the applicability of (traditional) martial arts. Yes it starts to look a lot more like actual fighting, since it is - but on the other hand it also shows that the principles taught in many of those TMAs hold some real merit if excercised and performed by a practically versed and competent person.
Of course it would be interesting to see how these people would hold up against someone proficient in some of the more "established" martial arts (combat sports) - but in that case I'd say the outcome would indeed be more dependent on who is the better martial artist rather than the specific style/art itself.
Anyways, great performance by all of the people shown, much more interesting to watch and to take inspiration from than just delusional people getting very predictably reality checked by actual fighters. Although the latter can be quite entertaining sometimes, still.
Regarding your last question: I probably would give a combination of Karate, Savate, WC and Judo a try. Maybe even some UCC Cadena if I felt adventurous.
Red headgear wing chun guy was going crazy at the end
Loved eye jabs! Would be pretty scary to take them without helmet.
Agreed!
Well yeah they wear perspex face masks when they're learning to spar full contact !
Hi @FightCommentary, the guy in red from the second fight has a guard stance that reminds me of Xing Yi Quan as well as the way he hits. The high kick and the takedonws seems to be taken from Sanda or something like that.
Sanda, shuai jiao, catch wrestling, and probably taekwondo (for a little more dexterity when kicking)
I'd pick something like nippon kempo or kudo daido juku - they're both essentially MMA in a gi. Very heavily based in Karate (nippon kempo is based in shito-ryu and kudo is based off kyokshin) with grappling techniques from judo and/or (japanese!) jujutsu mixed in.
(I would recommend you take a look at one of these arts, it might make for a fun video given the protective armour they wear while sparring.)
To really round out my grappling I'd need to take some kind of submission-focused art though so judo, but specifically the Kosen variant, which focuses almost exclusively on newaza.
Simple truth: you fight the way you train. Practitioners of Kung Fu and all traditional martial arts are capable of fighting if their training includes combat style fighting drills, regular sparring and fight lab style experimentation. Many immensely skilled Kung Fu practitioners who do well in fight competitions are from Eastern Europe and Japan because their cultures value sparring and fight competitions. In answer to your question, If I have to pick new arts to learn that aren’t part of the big 5 you named, I’d pick Aikido, Tae Kwon Do, fencing, Jeet Kun Do, Kali.
Really great to see a startup based on YT video commenting. Awesome 👌
here I leave my humble contribution
Not sure about Seven Star in particular, but Mantis is a grappling art. The mantis hook hands represent slapping on a clinch and weighing your opponent down, bringing them in close.
I'd do Uechi Karate, Taichi, pre-olympic Judo, Savate if it counts as different from kickboxing/boxing, if not then Taekkyon and Sanda/sanshou
I'd be interested to see how wing chun can augment someone's approach to clinching or grabs if they are train in the more common MMA-related disciplines. If they could integrate the non-punching fast hands and redirection into their fighting repertoire, it might be interesting to see.
As for how effective Mantis might be, just look at accidental eye pokes (or not so accidental) in MMA.
I've been practicing a few different Chinese martial arts for health, fitness, and spirituality reasons for around 16 years now, and mantis (specifically Wah Lum Pai) has been one of the ones I've loved incorporating into my sparring. It's definitely a long range style, but the finger jabs don't translate the best into sport fighting. Something that I've cross trained for a couple years now and found to complement mantis in sparring well is some out-boxing. Flicker jabs complement mantis's general game plan well and are definitely far more effective in a sport setting than the finger jabs. On the other hand, the hooking and hand trapping techniques from mantis give your hands a more proactive role in defense and are more effective when sparring with MMA style gloves. I'd love to try to get some footage of myself out to you, but currently recovering from a leg injury. If we have any other mantis practitioners in here, give it a try and see how it works for you.
for the question, I'd learn Judo and Karate, specifically one of the 3 okinawan styles, probably Uechi because they like competing in knockdown rules, unlike the other ones (they spar and fight too just not as much)
Judo because I really wanted to do Judo but I couldn't afford the membership or the gi and the only school I found was hours away and as a higschooler I had to settle for bjj which has no gi and it was closer and cheaper!
Half of my game would be exactly the same cuz all my striking is already karate lol
In Shanghai, every street fighter is Xingyi+Bagua+Mantis. it is literally Shanghai Do
why is that the case?
amazing
So cool to see these arts in practice
I’d go with kyokushin karate, judo, and taikiken ( Japanese version of yiquan)
Second fight, guy in black vest. What style or discipline is that?
Like you were saying about the guy striking to the eyes. This is exactly why traditional Chinese boxing cannot be used in the ring. All strikes are to vital points like eyes, throat, groin, knees, ankles, hips, liver. Traditional Chinese boxing also grabs to pull the opponent into the punch.
If the big five weren't available, the styles I would train to become effective would probably be Silat, Kali, and Capoeira.
Both Silat and Kali feature a good amount of grappling and takedowns, even if they are mostly stand-up, and Capoeira would be good for learning ring control and evasions.
Currently training in a mixture of SPL and Maphilindo Silat and Kali (among other arts), and I also trained Capoeira (Abata specifically) for two years.
Very cool? Got any footage we can feature?
@@FightCommentary I do have some footage, but I'll need to get the okay from the head instructor from my gym before I send it. I'll check with him and let you know what he says.
Please do and keep us posted!
@@FightCommentary I got the okay from the head instructor to send some sparring footage. What's the best way to send it?
Good work!
I wanna see the BEST bullshido Tai chi, qi fighters.
Have you ever seen anyone like that who could actually fight? Or maybe just a compilation of the styles that LOOKED dumb, but either worked in one instance or were being done by a person who could make it work.
An inter bullshido competition would be awesome!
@@FightCommentary It would the the only competition slower than a BJJ competition, lol.
What are they blurring on the guy’s back in the first fight?
Hema grappling, silat, defendu.
This on top of my current mauy thai/krav maga base.
To answer your funny question. I would learn Sambo (Combat and Sports version), Judo, 52 blocks, Shuai Jiao, Kyokushin Karate, Sanda and Sanshou. Do the Kickboxing styles other than standard American Kickboxing count?
Judo and Kyokushin maybe, but man I really want boxing in there as well.
I am bajiquan guy; Cheers for the guy using bajiquan in a real fight,but he did not used to its fullest and comitted some mistakes. He "box" the guy a little too much. Bajiquan depends on initiative and loses effciency if you don't "go for the kill",you have to always "conquer space" and "move forward". Other thing he did is try to do some "non baji" kicks,and in fact costed him a takedown. Most chinese martial arts depends on structure and if you keep "dismantling" the structure and breaking ir to try applying "generic techniques" is a huge red flag,both in training and combat. It shows lack of training and desperation. Bajiqan does have kicks,but they are usualy secondary and auxiliary in shortening the distance between you and your opponent so you can apply the "actual" technique.
Like said in the video,the takedowns where effective,indeed,and you can see that before he does them he is actually is agressive . Bajiquan is not good in waiting opportunities,it has to create them.
Bagua (not sure if I spelled that right) is pretty cool kung fu.
The guy in the white looks like he is using Xing Yi in the first match
Mantis relies on pain to be effective. The eye strikes are there not.only to blind, but to make the opponent flinch and guard up so shortfist techniques may be applied. The headgear removes this effectiveness, as the opponent knows there is no threat.
The handguards don't help either. Mantis has nasty seize and strike techniques used to jar the neck and ko the opponent with either phoenix eye strikes or hammer fists. The mantis practicioner did well with these handicaps
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I'd like to exchange ITF TKD for Silat😬!!!
Wow blurring the match kills it for me pretty much
Kobudo(weapons), piguaquan (love those sweeping hammerfists), and kyokushin(kicks). Oh, and probably catch wrestling or judo, gotta get some grappling.
Edit: removed boxing, I forgot that's allowed.
Old SanDa we were allowed to hit with the knee.. and every academy/family trained more its own way more or less, using kakuto headgear for example.
Standardization is good, but it cuts the self exploration and uniqueness of the styles too.
Ahh... the jock strap goes on the inside
Pankration, Jeet Kune Do, Savate, Judo, Lethwei.
I would focus on wing chun, Tae kwon do, judo, aikido, tai chi. Judo and aikido give you solid stand up/ ground grappling. Wing chun and TKD give you short range and long range striking. All of them can done correctly with respectfully training partners will allow you to train into later years. As far as training for the UFC you have to mentally be ok with seriously hurting people as a part of your sport. I’m not ok with seriously hurting people for a sport. I’m here to learn, get better, protect myself and those I care about.
If I was allowed to add boxing it would be perfect.
Those that spar get better .those that don't, don't. Style is secondary. I like to spar changing the rules or emphasis every round.
When you going to cover some kun khmer???
For the question, I'd go with pencak silat and sambo
WC guys ought to wear white gloves so we can see them hands!
Judo and Mantis Kung fu.
Very good fights,by the way .Japan have a very good material for gear protection, in shorinji kempo it doesnt even hurt the very good strike they make, wven the helmets doest hurt that badly. Just a point i wanna make,we need to spar to very resistent gear.
If I wasn't to use the big five.
Then I would try and learn the practical kung fu if you can find it.
Then krav maga, jeet kun do, ninjutsu, and capoeira.
kick boxing started from joe lewis,joe lewsi was a karatega.kick boxing is a sport version of karate
Mantis just really isn't suited for this kind of exibition. Or anything but getting sued. They literally just walked through his offense because of the helmets.
Also. I have some very interesting 52 blocks videos for you to review. Some with Lyte Burly and some with Mr.52. Though you've noticed that most of the Chinese martial artist that you've reviewed in this channel thus far lacks functional and practical defense, there's lots of videos on TH-cam showing 52 blocks being improvised efficiently in real time defensively even at the least in contrast to the no-touch,light, or medium contact sparring from various, but not all Chinese martial arts practicioners. Even though most people say that 52 blocks won't work in a fight because they don't understand the actual practical techniques of the art. The art of 52 blocks has saved my life from a knife attack on the street on two times already in my lifetime.
Yeah! Send me 52 blocks videos!
@@FightCommentary I'll only send the ones that include improvisation of the 52 blocks in some sparring context (no-touch sparring, light sparring, medium contact, or full contact sparring).
Here's the first one. This one was definitely very trippy for me to see before I got to understand 52 blocks as far as combat usage. Real time use of 52 blocks in an insane way with crazy reflexes. Most would rely on attempting to dodge an attack when their hands are down. Me included still to this day, but watch what happened in this short video with Mr.52 who's actually my teacher by the way:
th-cam.com/video/4Xt5Sx5VkUE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mhpqo5tmsnoGM-XL
This one is full contact sparring footage using 52 blocks. The practicioner in this video is also Mr.52:
th-cam.com/video/0M8Qw9lfKt0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=HSt8gjlbRRV9CgyW
You can also take a look at this video, skip to the combat sections and give your take on the traditional 52 style's execution. Cause most modern practicioners would rather do mostly boxing and wrestling with their 52 or mix it in with their chosen martial art. Even if it's just with kickboxing or MMA, but it's actually a very well rounded art in my opinion if you know the style's broad applications as it pertains to unarmed combat in striking, grappling, self defense, and defense against weapons and multiple attackers be it armed or unarmed. This art has been notorious for being effective in several penal systems in the US for very good reasons. Mainly for it's deceptive tactics:
th-cam.com/video/TCn1D9Ehuqg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Gr5ZwMq45OuF9MuM
Without the 5 I would do fma and Olympic wrestling
I thought the mantis guy was using frames
I would say Judo, Shuai Jiao, Luta Livre, Capoeira, and Bajiquan to make things interesting.
Answer: (I am assuming you are disregarding Letwei as well due to its similarity/rivalry of Muay Thai) Savate, Goju Ryu, Wrestling, Judo, Silat, & Sumo-for it's initial attacks/charges
Combat Sambo, Kyokushin, Sanda and Catch-Wrestling
BaJi, XingYi and ShuaiJiao.
I don't see any kungfu like I've seen in chinese kungfu movie here😂. All I see just 2 guy fighting with their fist and sometime hold something with leg
Sanda, Taekwondo & Judo. Maybe Muey Boran if allowed
Karate guy looks like a kickboxer...at least to me. AH! And now you just said that ... there are karate fighters that don't look like kickboxing. Goju Kai fighters, chief among them.
I don't understand.If they have feet,but not use them.And instead fence with their hands.And end up wrestling.😅
I would pick Judo and Sanda.
i wanna learn earth bending
Savate and judo maybe sambo too
combat sambo or kudo are great
Kung Fu and catch wrestling
Sanda and catch wrestling.
From China? Sanda rules.
Actual fights is far different from demonstration.
In the end, its always wild punches and kicks...thats all to it
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Kenji goh comic fans
Kung fu?
Looks like street fighting to me! All of those arts went down the drain since the inception of MMA.
Wishful thinking bro none of them know submissions…..
I'm pretty sure some of those styles do have submissions but they usually finish the fight before it starts 😂 Southern Mantis in parti ular 😏
Anyway Bro they don't need submissions when they can run through people. 😏
Why submit someone when they're already unconscious with one of their ears and their nose lying on the ground next to them ? 😂
There's no point Bro 😏
Where is the kung Fu here ? Its MMA moves, boxing , kick boxing and grappling
Nah, u need to get ur eyes checked
Nah, u need to get ur eyes checked
Sorry most boring martial arts. Xiaodong proved that lol
Lmao xiaodong proved nothing.. just cuz he challenges old fake Kung fu "masters" with arthritis doesn't mean Kung fu is "useless".. if man had the balls, he wouldn't have turned down Sifu Flores' request
Looks like garbage, no form