Indian Brahmi script did not originate from the Middle East. Ashoka's Brahmi script dates back to around 300 BCE, and recent excavations in Tamil Nadu, particularly at the Keeladi site, have uncovered evidence of Tamil Brahmi script dating back to 700 BCE. All early Indian inscriptions likely trace their origins to the Vikramkhol inscription, which is believed to date to around 1500 BCE. This suggests a transitional period from the Indus Valley script (3300 BCE) to the development of the Indian Brahmi script.
Sinauli is one of the earliest archaeological sites in the Indian subcontinent that provides evidence of chariots and royal burials with warfare elements during the Ochre Coloured Pottery (OCP) and Copper Hoard culture in the Ganga-Yamuna doab, more than 4,000 years ago. The material culture recovered at Sinauli indicates that the Sinaulians were involved in warfare activities. The antiquities recovered show a high degree of sophistication in wood and copper craftsmanship. Eight burials have been excavated so far. Among them was a unique royal burial with a copper-decorated coffin with legs, and a lid that featured high-relief carvings of anthropomorphic figures. These figures wore headgear with two horns and a Ficus religiosa (sacred fig tree) at the center. The figures, besides having detailed faces, were depicted with broad shoulders and torsos. This burial also contained two chariots, a copper pot, a helmet, two stick tops, a copper channel, a copper-decorated whip, gold-steatite beads, and pottery, suggesting the individual was of royal status, possibly a chief or clan leader. The discovery of three full-sized chariots in these royal burials suggests warfare took place in the region. The chariot wheels were decorated with three rows of copper triangles radiating from the center. This discovery indicates that Indians were using chariots, helmets, and swords in warfare more than 4,000 years ago.
Ancient India had forms of democracy and republicanism before Christ. Vedic Period (1500 BCE - 500 BCE): 1. Sabha: Tribal assemblies for decision-making. 2. Samiti: Larger assemblies for regional governance. Mahajanapadas (600 BCE - 300 BCE): 1. Vaishali Republic: First known republic in ancient India (6th century BCE). 2. Lichchhavi Republic: Oldest known democratic republic (6th century BCE). 3. Shakya Republic: Buddha's homeland, governed by an elected assembly. Mauryan Empire (322 BCE - 185 BCE): 1. Local self-government: Village councils (gram panchayats) and town councils. 2. Provincial governance: Governors and councils. Post-Mauryan Period (185 BCE - 500 CE): 1. Gupta Empire: Decentralized administration with local autonomy. 2. Kannauj Republic: A republic in the 7th century CE. Key Features: 1. Elected representatives 2. Separation of powers 3. Local autonomy 4. Participation of citizens Influences: 1. Vedic principles of governance 2. Buddhist and Jain philosophies 3. Ancient Greek and Roman democratic ideas Textual References: 1. Rigveda (Sabha and Samiti) 2. Mahabharata (Republican governance) 3. Arthashastra (Kautilya's treatise on governance) 4. Buddhist scriptures (Sutta Pitaka) Historical Accounts: 1. Megasthenes' "Indica" (300 BCE) 2. Fa-Hsien's "Record of the Buddhistic Kingdoms" (400 CE) 3. Hiuen Tsang's "Si-Yu-Ki" (630 CE) Modern Interpretations: 1. Democratic ideals in ancient India by D.R. Bhandarkar 2. Republicanism in ancient India by Romila Thapar 3. Ancient Indian polity by U.N. Ghoshal This professor of ancient history from UK does not seem to have read Indian history . Nor does she seem to have studied Sanskrit or Panineeyam or Arybhatta ?
Key Features: 1. Elected representatives 2. Separation of powers 3. Local autonomy 4. Participation of citizens can you provide reference instead of baseless bullcrapping, like providing exactly where this is mentioned in any hindu books??
Before Islamic influence most of Indian literature was in Brahmi, Sanskrit/ Prakrit, how many of the original text have you guys referenced? Without it you cannot call it the ancient history of India.
@@nskreviews923 I agree will Williams effort but not with the opinion of the lady (It is actually suspicious - as large part of britians academia and media are anti-modi with the same narrative. Also you can see the stark correlation with the increase in economic activity in India and decrease in Britian and Pakistan ! ). Oxford had a sanskrit chair ( professorship) from 1832 to 2020. Celebrated western scholar on Indology Max Muller is from this university. So no excuse for not reading primary Sanakrit literature.
Indus valley script was the origin of the Brahmi script, we should start using Indus valley script as origin script in our argument , that shuts these western Historians interims of their dating argument and puts us into much earlier time zone than Egyptians
There is a deliberate effort to understate achievements of India and misattribute these to Arabs or Persians. The reason is Xian bigotry - heathens are not supposed to have any achievements as they worship false gods
@@sunilmansukhani1086 Read already. I was talking about this particular video and the lady. Also, Dalrymple has two problems: (i) his constant demeaning of nationalist historians of India (as if only Whites are the authentic interpreters of Indian history) and (ii) his projection of Hinduism as a racket invented and operated by Brahmins. He also keeps inserting sly comments about Indian Hindu kings fighting each other and raping each other's women in wars. This is untrue. Traces of missionary outlook are still there in his scholarship. Learn to separate wheat from the chaff.
In India we tell culture apart from civilisation : civilisation has to do with use of technology, but culture means how much humane we are- sensitive to fellow creatures et al. Dialogue was exceptionally of high order 💯
Indus valley script is older than Egyptian now its also deciphered now , its very different from Egyptian and sound based , Now we know that its also origin of all Indian languages. Indus valley script is 5000 year old . Script depict same verses which was found in later Vedic literature
until 16th century Europe was a blackhole backward society, is is coincidence Europe got enlightenment right after they discovered a route to india after 16th century
As for alphabet, the story of Rāmāyanam according to the author Valmeiki is lot long ago compared to 4000 years AND so, the alphabet-sounds existed and penned down by him. Besides knowledge, which was originally communicated orally, cannot be created nor destroyed AND therefore was handed down to the "creator" Brahmā, by Lord Narāyana at the time of creation (which was long before Valmeiki himself was born). Finally the Māheshvara sutras are supposed to have directly come from the dumaru of Siva according to the Vedas, which are older than even the Universe. There is no beginning or end of knowledge; the sounds are subtle and in unmanifest form; hence the case of Knowledge. One cannot separate the words from their word-meanings. The representations therefore brought out from the subtle to the gross by Ancient Rishis of the world (if you don't like to see me use the word Bhārat or India). No other country boasts of Rishis! At best, we are hearing of Josephine's conjecture or she has been sold some story by her Archeologist Teacher or the Britannica! 😊
Nothing wrong said by madame spokesperson about Modi. Did you not hear what she says about’our king’ . The world will be poorer without such knowledgeable giants. Thankyou for teaching thins we Donot know about.Every one can criticise me but make sure we get good stuffs
all picked up from the late harappans who already had strong ability in maths, a script and urban culture. you can see this even today with south dominance in chess, ISRO, tech, olympiads etc.
Our knowledge of ancient texts comes into question when based on Sanskrit. Because in Sanskrit we have to choose 100 languages as Sanskrit has 100 scripts or lipi. In the 19 century the scripts of Sanskrit were standardised into Devanagri All the sacred books were in brahmi lipi and when brahmi lipi vanished so ancient texts vanished. For this reason Arya Samaj believes that Geeta and Ramayana are doubtful books and Brahma Samaj totally rejected the Vedas
"The Brahmo Samaj was influenced by the Vedas, Upanishads, and other important Hindu Mythology literature" - Straight from Wikipedia the world famous reference for hindus in India😅. They rejected the later changes to hindu society and In fact a similar samaj ( Aryan Samaj ) tried to unify and started Gharwapsi for the converted Hindus. This angered the groups who felt they had exclusive rights to convert. Read the later part as to what happened next - it is interesting.
Modi is not India. We are free to criticize foreign leaders and often do. That doesn't mean we are xenophobic. Nations are bigger than individual leaders be they Gandhi or Nehru or Modi
Exactly. The grand nature of India before it was occupied multiple times, is one the west is afraid of. Bharat would have risen in spite of the attempts at bringing it down. United Hindus is exactly what is feared. Hence, the modern-day covert and overt attacks on our culture, civilization, and country at large. Read the hatred in "Snakes in the Ganga" for the current efforts to destabilize Bharat.
Dalrymple has two problems: (i) his constant demeaning of nationalist historians of India (as if only Whites are the authentic interpreters of Indian history, and rightist Indians who interpret their own history are jokers) and (ii) his projection of Hinduism as a racket invented and operated by Brahmins. He also keeps inserting sly comments about Indian Hindu kings fighting each other and raping each other's women in wars, etc.. This is blatantly untrue as there was a very strong Dharmic code of war - the like of which doesn't exist anywhere else in the world. Traces of missionary outlook are still there in his scholarship. We need to learn to separate wheat from the chaff.
Sanskrit Alphabet is the Oldest, it was created around 3500 BCE. Alphabet has NOTHING to do with Script. Languages have Alphabets, not scripts. So Sanskrit had an Alphabet even when it was not using a script.
There are more than one ancient cultures with democracies 😂😂😂, Ancient India, Greece, Rome too went from kingdom to 40:07 republic to empire ☹️ …. before Christ, having said that their forms of democracy was not “modern” in our terms
British lady full of herself, 😂In Academia you can prove anything we set out to prove if we dig enough, certain things make sense, some (the majority) needs to be peered evaluated. I hope her book is being peered reviewed
Utterly unremarkable. That ancient Greece owes much of its culture to the more ancient Mesopotamians and Egyptians is a pretty obvious thing to say. And that our numerals come from India is also pretty well known fact. And yes powder was invented by the Chinese. Why is all this been treated like novelty?
Concerning the notion of monotheism, virtually all religious cultures began as henotheistic, and only devolved into polytheism as the effects of collective amnesia set in. In a henotheistic system there is one primary god (Allfather, the One, etc.) with lesser gods as appendages of him. Moreover, he is always male though sometimes hermaphroditic, and virtually always evolved from identification with the "planet" Saturn. This fact is too robust to ignore, along with the obvious insight that such universality is difficult to square with the assumption of the idea that the solar system has always been as it is today, where the planet Saturn is hardly even visible to the naked eye. This violates the uniformity principle in a rather dramatic way, unless you can come up with another reason for the universality of the Saturn Myth.
In monotheism these lesser gods were taken out of the realm of gods to become angels or saints. In Christianity the "Virgin Mary" or Stella Maris, derived from Venus/Aphrodite, who is derived from Inanna, etc.. It is, again, a "planet" that, for some strange reason, is always perceived as female. And the third universal archetype is Mars, the sacrificial warrior god-king, the pupil of God's Eye, born out of Venus. All of this is quite preposterous if you take the uniformitarian view that the sky has always been as it is today.
Haha !they succeeded in Propoganda atleast, My friend Democracy Never existed ,What right do u have as a Normal citizen , Its been Chaos From very Begining , Just that Modi and company gave us Cheap Internet we are making more Noise about it…😂😂
Indian Brahmi script did not originate from the Middle East. Ashoka's Brahmi script dates back to around 300 BCE, and recent excavations in Tamil Nadu, particularly at the Keeladi site, have uncovered evidence of Tamil Brahmi script dating back to 700 BCE.
All early Indian inscriptions likely trace their origins to the Vikramkhol inscription, which is believed to date to around 1500 BCE. This suggests a transitional period from the Indus Valley script (3300 BCE) to the development of the Indian Brahmi script.
Sinauli is one of the earliest archaeological sites in the Indian subcontinent that provides evidence of chariots and royal burials with warfare elements during the Ochre Coloured Pottery (OCP) and Copper Hoard culture in the Ganga-Yamuna doab, more than 4,000 years ago.
The material culture recovered at Sinauli indicates that the Sinaulians were involved in warfare activities. The antiquities recovered show a high degree of sophistication in wood and copper craftsmanship.
Eight burials have been excavated so far. Among them was a unique royal burial with a copper-decorated coffin with legs, and a lid that featured high-relief carvings of anthropomorphic figures. These figures wore headgear with two horns and a Ficus religiosa (sacred fig tree) at the center. The figures, besides having detailed faces, were depicted with broad shoulders and torsos.
This burial also contained two chariots, a copper pot, a helmet, two stick tops, a copper channel, a copper-decorated whip, gold-steatite beads, and pottery, suggesting the individual was of royal status, possibly a chief or clan leader. The discovery of three full-sized chariots in these royal burials suggests warfare took place in the region.
The chariot wheels were decorated with three rows of copper triangles radiating from the center. This discovery indicates that Indians were using chariots, helmets, and swords in warfare more than 4,000 years ago.
Is Mahabharat a myth or Our History??... For Me It happened word by word that was written...
Ancient India had forms of democracy and republicanism before Christ.
Vedic Period (1500 BCE - 500 BCE):
1. Sabha: Tribal assemblies for decision-making.
2. Samiti: Larger assemblies for regional governance.
Mahajanapadas (600 BCE - 300 BCE):
1. Vaishali Republic: First known republic in ancient India (6th century BCE).
2. Lichchhavi Republic: Oldest known democratic republic (6th century BCE).
3. Shakya Republic: Buddha's homeland, governed by an elected assembly.
Mauryan Empire (322 BCE - 185 BCE):
1. Local self-government: Village councils (gram panchayats) and town councils.
2. Provincial governance: Governors and councils.
Post-Mauryan Period (185 BCE - 500 CE):
1. Gupta Empire: Decentralized administration with local autonomy.
2. Kannauj Republic: A republic in the 7th century CE.
Key Features:
1. Elected representatives
2. Separation of powers
3. Local autonomy
4. Participation of citizens
Influences:
1. Vedic principles of governance
2. Buddhist and Jain philosophies
3. Ancient Greek and Roman democratic ideas
Textual References:
1. Rigveda (Sabha and Samiti)
2. Mahabharata (Republican governance)
3. Arthashastra (Kautilya's treatise on governance)
4. Buddhist scriptures (Sutta Pitaka)
Historical Accounts:
1. Megasthenes' "Indica" (300 BCE)
2. Fa-Hsien's "Record of the Buddhistic Kingdoms" (400 CE)
3. Hiuen Tsang's "Si-Yu-Ki" (630 CE)
Modern Interpretations:
1. Democratic ideals in ancient India by D.R. Bhandarkar
2. Republicanism in ancient India by Romila Thapar
3. Ancient Indian polity by U.N. Ghoshal
This professor of ancient history from UK does not seem to have read Indian history .
Nor does she seem to have studied Sanskrit or Panineeyam or Arybhatta ?
she doesn’t even acknowledge Vedic influence on philosophy and democracy
these fake western intellectuals are heavily biased and ignorant racist people
Key Features:
1. Elected representatives
2. Separation of powers
3. Local autonomy
4. Participation of citizens
can you provide reference instead of baseless bullcrapping, like providing exactly where this is mentioned in any hindu books??
@yetigumba What happened? Did the cat catch your tongue? Nothing to say?
Why are non-Indians talking about the origins of the Indian number system, (and telling us that Indians could only count up to 9 initially!)
Before Islamic influence most of Indian literature was in Brahmi, Sanskrit/ Prakrit, how many of the original text have you guys referenced? Without it you cannot call it the ancient history of India.
We should applaud them for their efforts actually.
@@nskreviews923 I agree will Williams effort but not with the opinion of the lady (It is actually suspicious - as large part of britians academia and media are anti-modi with the same narrative. Also you can see the stark correlation with the increase in economic activity in India and decrease in Britian and Pakistan ! ). Oxford had a sanskrit chair ( professorship) from 1832 to 2020. Celebrated western scholar on Indology Max Muller is from this university. So no excuse for not reading primary Sanakrit literature.
@@rajjaha9556 Yes 👍 , good point. I hope this scenario changes in this coming decade 🙏🏽
Indus valley script was the origin of the Brahmi script, we should start using Indus valley script as origin script in our argument , that shuts these western Historians interims of their dating argument and puts us into much earlier time zone than Egyptians
There is a deliberate effort to understate achievements of India and misattribute these to Arabs or Persians. The reason is Xian bigotry - heathens are not supposed to have any achievements as they worship false gods
untrue...read golden road by dalrymple
Arabs or Persians r heathens too. What's ur logic?
@@sunilmansukhani1086 Read already. I was talking about this particular video and the lady. Also, Dalrymple has two problems: (i) his constant demeaning of nationalist historians of India (as if only Whites are the authentic interpreters of Indian history) and (ii) his projection of Hinduism as a racket invented and operated by Brahmins. He also keeps inserting sly comments about Indian Hindu kings fighting each other and raping each other's women in wars. This is untrue. Traces of missionary outlook are still there in his scholarship. Learn to separate wheat from the chaff.
This Dalrymple is a shady character too…as much a part of the western project to downplay bharat & dharma…
@@monsterhunt8624 SO TRUE I WAS THINKING THAT TOO...
In India we tell culture apart from civilisation : civilisation has to do with use of technology, but culture means how much humane we are- sensitive to fellow creatures et al. Dialogue was exceptionally of high order 💯
Excellent debunking of the conventional approach... timely turn in hermeneutics... Thanks!
Romila thapur of England spotted 😂
Sanskrit whose alphabet comes from actual physical sounds was given by nature and it is the mother of most Indo European languages.
Go and tell her that 😂😂😂😂
Indus valley script is older than Egyptian now its also deciphered now , its very different from Egyptian and sound based , Now we know that its also origin of all Indian languages. Indus valley script is 5000 year old . Script depict same verses which was found in later Vedic literature
What can you do expect from Western Academia… BTW I am a Western. Scholar 😂😂😂😂😂
You guys need to stop making snide political remarks and stick to what you know.
I don't agree, we Indians are supreme. All numbers originated in India primarily.
until 16th century Europe was a blackhole backward society, is is coincidence Europe got enlightenment right after they discovered a route to india after 16th century
Grammar too. When Brits came to India and saw Sanskrit grammar, they began to create a grammar for English language too
As for alphabet, the story of Rāmāyanam according to the author Valmeiki is lot long ago compared to 4000 years AND so, the alphabet-sounds existed and penned down by him. Besides knowledge, which was originally communicated orally, cannot be created nor destroyed AND therefore was handed down to the "creator" Brahmā, by Lord Narāyana at the time of creation (which was long before Valmeiki himself was born). Finally the Māheshvara sutras are supposed to have directly come from the dumaru of Siva according to the Vedas, which are older than even the Universe. There is no beginning or end of knowledge; the sounds are subtle and in unmanifest form; hence the case of Knowledge. One cannot separate the words from their word-meanings. The representations therefore brought out from the subtle to the gross by Ancient Rishis of the world (if you don't like to see me use the word Bhārat or India). No other country boasts of Rishis! At best, we are hearing of Josephine's conjecture or she has been sold some story by her Archeologist Teacher or the Britannica! 😊
I wonder why the host who specializes in India did not participate more
Its unfortunate we are not taught these things in school. Should'nt we be knowledgable about our civilization?
Nothing wrong said by madame spokesperson about Modi. Did you not hear what she says about’our king’ . The world will be poorer without such knowledgeable giants. Thankyou for teaching thins we Donot know about.Every one can criticise me but make sure we get good stuffs
huge numbers are mentioned in the rgveda. 60,000 and other larger numbers.
all picked up from the late harappans who already had strong ability in maths, a script and urban culture. you can see this even today with south dominance in chess, ISRO, tech, olympiads etc.
Our knowledge of ancient texts comes into question when based on Sanskrit. Because in Sanskrit we have to choose 100 languages as Sanskrit has 100 scripts or lipi. In the 19 century the scripts of Sanskrit were standardised into Devanagri All the sacred books were in brahmi lipi and when brahmi lipi vanished so ancient texts vanished. For this reason Arya Samaj believes that Geeta and Ramayana are doubtful books and Brahma Samaj totally rejected the Vedas
crap. Seems like a DMK / church toolkit
"The Brahmo Samaj was influenced by the Vedas, Upanishads, and other important Hindu Mythology literature" - Straight from Wikipedia the world famous reference for hindus in India😅. They rejected the later changes to hindu society and In fact a similar samaj ( Aryan Samaj ) tried to unify and started Gharwapsi for the converted Hindus. This angered the groups who felt they had exclusive rights to convert. Read the later part as to what happened next - it is interesting.
There are still ‘flat earth societies’! You could find a seat in it!
@@saratsaratchandran3085 Are you a member of one?
Shallow discussion
We are first, not babbons I mean Babylons.
For us it seemed to be Phoenician.
Her snide remark on Modi undoes an otherwise excellent talk and exposes lurking Hindu / India hate so ubiquitous in Academic circles
Not everyone abroad has to like everything about Modi and contemporary India.
Modi is not India. We are free to criticize foreign leaders and often do. That doesn't mean we are xenophobic. Nations are bigger than individual leaders be they Gandhi or Nehru or Modi
Exactly. The grand nature of India before it was occupied multiple times, is one the west is afraid of. Bharat would have risen in spite of the attempts at bringing it down. United Hindus is exactly what is feared. Hence, the modern-day covert and overt attacks on our culture, civilization, and country at large.
Read the hatred in "Snakes in the Ganga" for the current efforts to destabilize Bharat.
If you don’t appreciate Modi it doesn’t mean you don’t appreciate Hindus and Bharat. I’m a Hindu and not a Modi fan.
What did she say?
Lottery is Democracy wow.
JLF has upstaged Indians, Europeans have taken the podium. Everyone sit down and listen.
Dalrymple has two problems: (i) his constant demeaning of nationalist historians of India (as if only Whites are the authentic interpreters of Indian history, and rightist Indians who interpret their own history are jokers) and (ii) his projection of Hinduism as a racket invented and operated by Brahmins. He also keeps inserting sly comments about Indian Hindu kings fighting each other and raping each other's women in wars, etc.. This is blatantly untrue as there was a very strong Dharmic code of war - the like of which doesn't exist anywhere else in the world. Traces of missionary outlook are still there in his scholarship. We need to learn to separate wheat from the chaff.
none of the anglos give them a f*******. you should also ignore these people. these are left liberals (according to them) still go hard on hindus.
Sanskrit Alphabet is the Oldest, it was created around 3500 BCE.
Alphabet has NOTHING to do with Script.
Languages have Alphabets, not scripts.
So Sanskrit had an Alphabet even when it was not using a script.
What lack of history
The western bias is crazy
The world was never made in the west 😂😂😂😂
What an irritating guest you have there, William.
Remarks on Scotland, Modi and her accent (laugh, snigger) just annoying.
There are more than one ancient cultures with democracies 😂😂😂, Ancient India, Greece, Rome too went from kingdom to 40:07 republic to empire ☹️ …. before Christ, having said that their forms of democracy was not “modern” in our terms
कम्युनिस्ट एजंडा ,कम्युनिस्ट अंडी 😂
As crappy as the others before her….but these jokers will begin to acknowledge the truth..soon..
Africa!
The more you talk wrong about MODI......the more he'll get support from around the world 😂.....so please continue 🙏
According to her, Assyrians are The first culture ever, everything came from there🙄
I dislike her tone and her baloney she is peddling
British lady full of herself, 😂In Academia you can prove anything we set out to prove if we dig enough, certain things make sense, some (the majority) needs to be peered evaluated. I hope her book is being peered reviewed
Basically, the great achievements of the West is not because of the West. I understand the propaganda of this woman. 😂😂😂
She demolished a whole army of straw men.
ce
Utterly unremarkable. That ancient Greece owes much of its culture to the more ancient Mesopotamians and Egyptians is a pretty obvious thing to say. And that our numerals come from India is also pretty well known fact. And yes powder was invented by the Chinese. Why is all this been treated like novelty?
Concerning the notion of monotheism, virtually all religious cultures began as henotheistic, and only devolved into polytheism as the effects of collective amnesia set in. In a henotheistic system there is one primary god (Allfather, the One, etc.) with lesser gods as appendages of him. Moreover, he is always male though sometimes hermaphroditic, and virtually always evolved from identification with the "planet" Saturn. This fact is too robust to ignore, along with the obvious insight that such universality is difficult to square with the assumption of the idea that the solar system has always been as it is today, where the planet Saturn is hardly even visible to the naked eye. This violates the uniformity principle in a rather dramatic way, unless you can come up with another reason for the universality of the Saturn Myth.
In monotheism these lesser gods were taken out of the realm of gods to become angels or saints. In Christianity the "Virgin Mary" or Stella Maris, derived from Venus/Aphrodite, who is derived from Inanna, etc.. It is, again, a "planet" that, for some strange reason, is always perceived as female. And the third universal archetype is Mars, the sacrificial warrior god-king, the pupil of God's Eye, born out of Venus. All of this is quite preposterous if you take the uniformitarian view that the sky has always been as it is today.
Thank God at least foreigners are able to speak about how Modi has destroyed democracy in India.
Haha !they succeeded in Propoganda atleast, My friend Democracy Never existed ,What right do u have as a Normal citizen , Its been Chaos From very Begining , Just that Modi and company gave us Cheap Internet we are making more Noise about it…😂😂
You are a sick person… very sick…. Beyond help!