This is so insightful! Not just for writing/formatting poetry, but also for "reading between the lines" as it were haha. I don't at all feel confident in my reading of poetry and often feel like it's all just going over my head and I'm missing super obvious, important things so it was great to get a little narrated peek at this part of the process. I'm glad you decided to bring this conversation to TH-cam :) xx
Thank you for this. I always enjoy watching editorial videos such as this because 1) I enjoy seeing if the author will make changes the way I would (like where you mentioned in the first poem a lot of people would be tempted to put the line break at "and" and I totally wouldn't have, and 2) in a video such as yours you give so much explanation as to why you create your breaks the way you do and the effects it creates. It's very helpful to have that inner monologue in my mind when I do my own editing.
I really loved this. I never would have given thought to the spacing and line breaks in poetry. But you're right that it does affect the tone and how the reader experiences the words. I feel like I learned a lot from this video. I am taking a poetry and drama class this semester at my college and I am very excited. I would love to see you do more like these! Thank you for the great video!
This was so interesting to watch! I know you probably don't have time to do things like these, but I'd love another video where you go through old (unpublished) pieces of yours and edit them to show they would look if you'd written them now, since writers keep developing and styles change
Intersting never actually thought about the negative space in a poetry collection. PS Katies proofs make me want the book even more. And your reading make me want the Girl Aquarium. Must pay rent first. Books are a wonderful addiction.
Totally loved this. Thank you so much for this. Never realised the line breaks would change in the proofs. After spending days deciding on a line break! This happens!
I love love LOVED this. It made me want to write poetry myself. The world doesn’t need that content though, so will wait patiently for your collection 🙂
Good discussion. You mentioned the tiny pause that happens at the ends of lines even when there is no punctuation. I have talked to my students about this, calling it an "eye pause." We often can't help landing on these words with our eyes even when there's clear enjambment to propel us forward. Big choices you have made!
Thank you so much for this! I'm currently waiting on proofs for my own poetry collection, so I imagine I'll soon be doing the same. It was interesting to listen to the reasoning behind your decisions, and in fact you broke the lines in the exact places I would have done. I love seeing behind the scenes videos about publishing and editing, and I'm very much looking forward to reading The Girl Aquarium (I've already pre-ordered it!).
I'm more of a story person than a poem person but I found this so interesting. The details that goes into how to mold a text is something that one hardly ever thinks about but it's obvious that this is so important.
Really loved this and I appreciate all your poetry videos. I feel like there aren't enough of them on youtube. This helped me think about my own poems and changes I can make. I can't wait to read your collection when it comes out. I'll have to pre-order. P.S. I got really excited when I guessed correctly that you would put the line break after 'vomit.' :)
Hey, I am a new subscriber! There's some really interesting things to play with and think about here. I did however anticipate that this video would be more tutorial like and also more general (instead of it being focused on mostly line-breaks and spacing in poems). I myself wanted to learn more about reworking first drafts, concentrating more on the writing itself. I hope you do another poetry editing vid which incorporates that! Thanks
Hi Salma, this was just a behind the scenes video. If you want a more in depth look at poetry, take a look at my writing workshops www.jen-campbell.co.uk/writing-workshops
I have so many short books of poems I've been wanting to make a collection. Sadly I only found a few amateur enthusiasts on FB thank God I stumbled on your book (about bookshops) and you on TH-cam hope returns!
Wow, I'm definitely preordering "The Girl Aquarium"! Each new video makes me more excited about it. And I also liked the "swimming" part in a new line. It seemed to make it visually float/swim between the lines, which added a nice touch. Just my two cents... ;) x
Hey lady - maybe a photoshop/digital arty person could organise your texts on page layouts to get the reading flow perfectly set out as it would be approached like a piece of graphic art instead? not sure if that helps but they will be used to sizing images etc, (excuse if that sounds really patronising & obvious) just is incase it hadn't been suggested before... if you find you're compromising how something reads in a way that hurts you too much to tolerate haha
No, thank you. This a process I am used to and publishing houses have their own digital teams who do the typesetting, who are very familiar with how this process works.
This is probably the most generic and superficial question, but as someone who wants to write, is it worth it? Not just the money but just creating something and hoping for the best?
My wife always tells me the creative process is its own reward (she's not wrong) but having piles of 'finished work and not sure what to do with it or about e is also annoyingly frustrating. Yeah
Don't know much re poetry. However, utube now has poetrytube. What you think of that I'm not sure but maybe it'll boost my interest & savvy re that form of writing.
Evening, folks! I hope you find this interesting. xx PS I caught the 'one other' error, don't worry, I've changed that to 'one another.'
This is so insightful! Not just for writing/formatting poetry, but also for "reading between the lines" as it were haha. I don't at all feel confident in my reading of poetry and often feel like it's all just going over my head and I'm missing super obvious, important things so it was great to get a little narrated peek at this part of the process. I'm glad you decided to bring this conversation to TH-cam :) xx
Thanks, Nicole! xx
Thank you Jen. I learned from your ramblings this evening. Thank you.
Yep! Your choices are spot on and helpful.
Thank you, Karen, I'm glad you enjoyed the video xx
such a useful video, thank you for sharing a bit about your process Jen!
great video! Looking forward to reading the whole book, loving it so far x
Thank you xx
Really interesting insight. You are impressively decisive about the changes!
I really enjoyed this, Jen. Thank you for sharing your process! I have already pre-ordered the book and very much looking forward to reading it.
Thank you for this. I always enjoy watching editorial videos such as this because 1) I enjoy seeing if the author will make changes the way I would (like where you mentioned in the first poem a lot of people would be tempted to put the line break at "and" and I totally wouldn't have, and 2) in a video such as yours you give so much explanation as to why you create your breaks the way you do and the effects it creates. It's very helpful to have that inner monologue in my mind when I do my own editing.
I really loved this. I never would have given thought to the spacing and line breaks in poetry. But you're right that it does affect the tone and how the reader experiences the words. I feel like I learned a lot from this video. I am taking a poetry and drama class this semester at my college and I am very excited. I would love to see you do more like these! Thank you for the great video!
Thanks for showing us this. This is such a treat!
Thanks, Edd, it was fun to talk about. xx
This is such a fascinating peek at your process. Thanks for sharing it.
This was so interesting to watch! I know you probably don't have time to do things like these, but I'd love another video where you go through old (unpublished) pieces of yours and edit them to show they would look if you'd written them now, since writers keep developing and styles change
That's an interesting idea! x
Totally loved this! Geeking out hard core! Thank you!
So interesting, Jen, and great to get an insight into your process. Can't wait to read the collection in its entirety!
Great video! Thanks Jen!
I keep forgetting that I pre-ordered it, and every time you mention it I get really happy that I did! 😄
Intersting never actually thought about the negative space in a poetry collection. PS Katies proofs make me want the book even more. And your reading make me want the Girl Aquarium. Must pay rent first. Books are a wonderful addiction.
Always fun to get her illustrations through. Hope you're having a good week, Paul. xx
Totally loved this. Thank you so much for this. Never realised the line breaks would change in the proofs. After spending days deciding on a line break! This happens!
I love love LOVED this. It made me want to write poetry myself. The world doesn’t need that content though, so will wait patiently for your collection 🙂
Are you sure the world doesn't need it? I'm not so sure! x
Good discussion. You mentioned the tiny pause that happens at the ends of lines even when there is no punctuation. I have talked to my students about this, calling it an "eye pause." We often can't help landing on these words with our eyes even when there's clear enjambment to propel us forward. Big choices you have made!
Thank you so much for this! I'm currently waiting on proofs for my own poetry collection, so I imagine I'll soon be doing the same. It was interesting to listen to the reasoning behind your decisions, and in fact you broke the lines in the exact places I would have done. I love seeing behind the scenes videos about publishing and editing, and I'm very much looking forward to reading The Girl Aquarium (I've already pre-ordered it!).
Thank you🎉
That was interesting! Looking forward to your book release! 👍
I'm more of a story person than a poem person but I found this so interesting.
The details that goes into how to mold a text is something that one hardly ever thinks about but it's obvious that this is so important.
Really loved this and I appreciate all your poetry videos. I feel like there aren't enough of them on youtube. This helped me think about my own poems and changes I can make. I can't wait to read your collection when it comes out. I'll have to pre-order.
P.S. I got really excited when I guessed correctly that you would put the line break after 'vomit.' :)
Editing poetry like this is the stuff I 👏🏻live 👏🏻for 👏🏻💕
This is wonderful
this was seriously useful and interesting thankyou!!
You’re welcome! x
I loved your plant view.
Hey, I am a new subscriber! There's some really interesting things to play with and think about here. I did however anticipate that this video would be more tutorial like and also more general (instead of it being focused on mostly line-breaks and spacing in poems). I myself wanted to learn more about reworking first drafts, concentrating more on the writing itself. I hope you do another poetry editing vid which incorporates that! Thanks
Hi Salma, this was just a behind the scenes video. If you want a more in depth look at poetry, take a look at my writing workshops www.jen-campbell.co.uk/writing-workshops
I have so many short books of poems I've been wanting to make a collection. Sadly I only found a few amateur enthusiasts on FB thank God I stumbled on your book (about bookshops) and you on TH-cam hope returns!
this is amazing 😍
Wow, I'm definitely preordering "The Girl Aquarium"! Each new video makes me more excited about it.
And I also liked the "swimming" part in a new line. It seemed to make it visually float/swim between the lines, which added a nice touch. Just my two cents... ;) x
Yes, that's why I kept it there, like it/she is treading water :) x
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Oops, you even said so in the video... I was so taken in by the poem that I missed hearing it 😳😂 (But that's a good sign, isn't it?)
It is :) and thank you. xx
Hey lady - maybe a photoshop/digital arty person could organise your texts on page layouts to get the reading flow perfectly set out as it would be approached like a piece of graphic art instead? not sure if that helps but they will be used to sizing images etc, (excuse if that sounds really patronising & obvious) just is incase it hadn't been suggested before... if you find you're compromising how something reads in a way that hurts you too much to tolerate haha
No, thank you. This a process I am used to and publishing houses have their own digital teams who do the typesetting, who are very familiar with how this process works.
"Like you can bottle karma and shower in in. Screw it." 😮
I am getting the Girl Aquarium, I am getting it....
Hurray! xx
@@jenvcampbell I pre-ordered. This will be my first book by you, after watching you for so long.
Subscribed 🎉
An interesting look at formatting'! Thanks! :-)
Thanks for watching. xx
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This is probably the most generic and superficial question, but as someone who wants to write, is it worth it? Not just the money but just creating something and hoping for the best?
My wife always tells me the creative process is its own reward (she's not wrong) but having piles of 'finished work and not sure what to do with it or about e is also annoyingly frustrating. Yeah
yes it is.
Don't know much re poetry. However, utube now has poetrytube. What you think of that I'm not sure but maybe it'll boost my interest & savvy re that form of writing.
It’s the “one other” instead of “one another” in the first poem that bothers me. Thanks for sharing! It’s great to hear how you think about editing.
I’ve caught that, too, don’t worry :)
Very interesting. It never occurred to me that Poems need to be edited for the printed page.
Yup! I've seen collections do interesting things to combat this; some Faber books print longer poems landscape so that everything fits. xx
@@jenvcampbell can you show us one example?
love you baby i am stuck with my poems and cant find the way!
“Rouge Lines” would be an excellent title for a poetry collection. Just saying 😜
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