AirVenturi Avenger Bullpup vs Daystate Pulsar -- Can a budget PCP hang with one that's 4X the price?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- Yes, you read that right. We are comparing the AirVenturi Avenger Bullpup with a computer controlled, high end, British made bullpup. The Daystate Pulsar. Some people are going to lose their minds. Oh well.
Why do the comparison? First and foremost, when I saw the AirVenturi Avenger Bullpup the first thing that crossed my mind was it had a very similar look to the Pulsar. I've shot the Pulsar I know very well with that rifle is capable of. It's an excellent rifle. So this whole thing started with an idea that they would be interesting to compare because they had similar shapes and therefore reasonably similar ergonomics.
Noah, one of our original members and regular shooters, and the person that got me, PJ, into airguns as an adult has a Pulsar. His Pulsar, the one used in this video, is not stock. As explained in the video he upgraded the electronics with a Heli-board. It's also set up in .177 caliber.
The Avenger I have is set up in .22 caliber. For some viewers, this discrepancy will invalidate any comparison that we make during the video. If you're in that camp, I don't know that this video is going to satisfy you and you may want to spend your time elsewhere.
Here's another reason why you might not be satisfied with our comparison. It took about two weeks of planning to get a night where our schedules lined up for testing. The night arrived and we were hit by 20 to 25 mile an hour winds and very cold temperatures. We had intended to shoot from inside to a target outside the shop by 15 yards, which would've given us a 30 yard comparison. Having the last 15 yards going through a 25 mile an hour wind would have completely invalidated any accuracy testing. As a result we had to shorten the range to 20 yards. So the accuracy testing that we did was at 20 yards. If you think you can draw some conclusions from that great, if you don't think you can draw anything from that, OK. I'm telling you upfront that's the distance we shot from. Now you know and if you watch the video you can draw whatever conclusion you like.
So after two paragraphs worth of trying to convince you not to watch the video, here's what we did. Both of us shot at six bull's-eye targets. We shot five rounds at each target for a total of 30 rounds. We each shot the other's rifle as well as our own. I was familiar with the Pulsar...familiar enough to take a few sighters and then get to serious shooting. Noah had never shot the Avenger before, so he shot five or 10 rounds before he started shooting targets that counted.
After we finished shooting we sat down to talk through the features of both rifles. Obviously, accuracy is a big deal, but there are other things about rifles that contribute to a positive shooting experience and we had a pretty long list of things that we wanted to discuss back-and-forth about the two bullpups. We go pretty deep into our opinions, and in-depth reporting takes some time. This isn't a short video. Grab a coffee or some scones and spot of tea.
Here's a glimpse of the conclusions. The Pulsar is exquisitely built. You may or may not like the ergonomics, but the build quality is superb. The Avenger's stock is a nice step up from the original Avenger rifle. As you would expect, the Avenger's trigger can't really compare to the "mouse click" of the Pulsar's electronic trigger, but that doesn't mean the Avenger trigger is bad.
If you are expecting us to declare the Avenger a better rifle than the Pulsar, look away. This isn't that type of comparison.
What we really want to know, and we'd be curious to hear your experiences if you have either rifle, is this...
Can the Avenger "hang" with a rifle four times it's price?
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No shame in spending $400 on a PCP that performs as well (if not better ) than a $1, 600 one, amazing. Fit and finish may not be better but in the end, accuracy counts. Very informative and good video, thank you chaps.
Thanks for watching!
I feel as though this is the most professional, honest review on air guns I have seen and I have been watching tons of them.
I love this! More please. Honesty and
integrity...are priceless. Real shooters ...and real results. KUDOS
Thank you!
@@WiscAirGunners good news, a drill bit hole in the bottom of the avenger rifle's stock and spray in expanding foam with the extension straw start deep and work out the foam will expand and fill the space taking away the hollow sound. smiles and keep it light.
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@@AIRGUNZ_MILITIA nice.
@@WiscAirGunners i just gifted my bullpup .25cal to a person with a hand pump because they do not have a pcp. and i also gave them a txt file with all my advice and tunes for that avenger. i used two monocore vented baffles and no supresser at all and just drilled the second monocore out to ahalf inch and slid it onto the barrel with thick felt in between the barrel spacer and another between the two monocore baffles. all of it centered with the o-rings that come with them, and very quiet. and i am getting a custom avenger next in rifl format. smiles enjoy...
wish i knew how to open and take out the hammerspring and change it for better stuff. but being blind , doing that disassembly without way more details than i listen to in any vvideo , is not going to happen. need those details or i won't do it.
smiles but what i could do with the details,
if i knew what tool and where the fastener was exactly, and how to adjust or fiddle with this or that, well if i had all that i would start by removing the barrel , which i have never done, do not know how to start , because was never verbally told where the screws are that hold it on. giggles, yeah no one ever siad hey they are right here in this area and ther are this many and you use this allen key . nope they just assume that everyone listening can see. uggg.
well i would drill the barrel ports out larger and bevel them on the outside and polish the inside and ge more energy that the rifle currently can acheive.
next, i would find a magazine that feels like the avengers but is deeper and i would cut the bolt housing back that far and make the new deeper mag work.
i mean it just fits over the end of the barrel in that fitting there right, giggles.
and what next, hmmm i would figure out how to decrease thereg a bit at a time by shooting it down pst the desired reg pressure so the reg is below that pressure and then the reg should adjust down till it starts getting tight and you know that you are there and should stop before you damage it. duh...
but there are people not that intelliget around so shhhh.
well thanks for makig better videos than i do friend, because if i could see, well i would be doing alot more than recovering from a broken hip. these days. good day
@@AIRGUNZ_MILITIA you’ve got ambition, that’s for sure! I’ll keep you in mind in my descriptions of the work I’m doing in future videos.
Excellent video! I've been on the fence about the avenger bullpup. This answered all of my questions.
Glad to help out.
What a great video. Open, honest and informative. Appreciated.
Thank you!
"That doesn't fit in this case anymore" no truer words ever spoken. LOL. Probably the least of anyone's real concern in life but none-the-less still true. :) Enjoyed the comparison. Thanks for sharing your time and effort gentlemen!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video, I removed the cheek weld piece and installed a soft pad/ Velcro cloth . Doing so you can actually get your eye behind the scope. 👍👍 Also if you remove the travel adjustment screw there are 4 flat washers remove them and reinstall the screw, the trigger is great after .
You are the second person who has mentioned that with the trigger. I'll have to check that out.
I'm thinking my buddy Emil Hopf also removing the detent that indexes the cheek weld is an easy accomplishment.👍And a great improvement the cheek weld can still be used after..
Man, I HIGHLY enjoyed this. Thanks for the great content!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
GREAT VIDEO! Keep em coming PJ! Liking my avenger so far. Cant wait to stretch mine out, but it gets windy here in Wisconsin by the lake.
I know what you mean!
The bull pup is a good shooter. I took the four silver washers off the front screw on the trigger and now it’s smooth as glass glad I bought it . Another great video pj
Thank you Randy!
Lots of respect to you fellas for this video. It was 100% fair, objective, and it didn't feel like a sales pitch.
I do hope you do this again at 75 yards. I feel that would tell a lot more of the story.
It's truly a golden era to be into airguns right now. I feel it's just going to keep getting better from here.
My hopes are that this video is the standard going forward. For all channels. This is how it should be done. Paid reviews just aren't the way. Honesty. That's the way.
So many options! It can be dizzying.
Great video and a great reason to get your hands on an affordable bullpup with great performance👍🏽👍🏽🤤🤤
Truth!
Funny you used a Dodge Dart. When I was in high school my car was a 57 Chevy. My cousin and I were our on the drag ( in the 60's it was from one hamburger stand to another) a person from my autoshop pulled along side and wanted to race his car against me and it was a Dodge Dart. I agreed when the light change his car front end came off the ground and did this every time he changed gears. When I caught up with hume ha had taken a wreak Dodge Supper Bee with the 440 magnum and installed the Dodge Supper Bee's complete drivetrain and including the 440 Magnum engine in the Dodge Dart. You could not tell this change had been made.
That is AWESOME!
I had several rats that were not fans of the Venturi Bullpup in 177. I bought it to see if a rat would run off or drop on the spot with that small caliber. I adjusted the reg and hammer spring down to minimum and shot 8.02 grain Polymag pellets out at 935 fps. Added the Donny FL with the shroud extension, and it’s backyard at midnight quiet. Each rat went down lights out. Pin point accuracy. I just don’t understand why the rats don’t like it.
They are funny about stuff like that. At least that's what I've heard.
935 fps is too fast for most .177
Man! Right when I try and talk myself out of buying one of these (and compressor and fill tank etc) I watch this video. Now I only have one decision to make... .22 or .25??
Glad to help!
Well first off great job! Was trying to dedicate between the Beeman and Hatsan budget gun but for just a smidgen more I do believe it will be this Avenger! Thanks for this great vid and the several paragraphs trying to discourage me from watching!
I do what I can!
Great comparison. Well done!
Thank you!
I truly love these comparison reviews . People have choices latest and the greatest doesn't mean is the best bang for your money. Thank you God bless
You are welcome.
You two are a blast to watch ty vm.
Thanks!
Excellent video. 🎯
I really enjoyed this. Especially you guys discussing the rifles. I wish more people did this. Comparison between different guns without arguing and disrespect is badly needed in this industry.
I plan on getting the Impact Compact. But some of the "fan boys " terrible attitudes almost made me change my mind.
Perhaps Fredrik Axelsson will see this and appreciate the professional manner in which you guys made this video.
God bless you both. 👍
Thank you Heith!
Great Job PJ!
Thank you!
Just put in my order for an Avenger Bullpup today. Bias 100% confirmed.
You won't regret it.
You lost me when you said “to keep things consistent”, but the rifles are different calibers to compare. But I was also lost at 20 yards.
I hope they do it again at 75. I feel that is going to tell more of the story.
@@joshuagibson2520 177 & 22 are totally different animals. Hard to compare.
@@terminadorairgunsandoutdoors I agree with that. I still feel this was one of the most honest and well presented airgun videos I've ever watched.
In all honesty comparing a $3k airgun vs a $300 one is much different than the 22 vs 177 aspect of it all. As well as electronic vs mechanical. Ideally, I'd have loved if they had the same caliber, but it is what it is. I do feel the 22 will have a significant advantage over the 177 @ 75 yards. I still don't care. I'd just be happy if they push it out to 75 regardless.
@@joshuagibson2520 Suit yorself. Imo watch sum mo udder vidioz dat ain’t like watchin paint dry.
@@terminadorairgunsandoutdoors lol. It was a little slower paced, but I did enjoy it. Take care man.
It's a great comparison and great video, but I would caution against buyers only looking at this example. With PCPs, you tend to het what you pay for. Fit and finish and R&D are incredibly important for long term enjoyment.
Thanks for that. I agree whole-heartedly. Tyler Patner gave a great answer to a question yesterday on Instagram on the Pyramyd Air page. One of the things most of us don't experience is the consistency you get airgun to airgun with higher priced models. Our goal for this video was to see if the Avenger could "hang," not to imply that they were equal.
@WiscAirGunners Absolutely! It's important that these comparisons be made and published, as it ultimately benefits all shooters and keeps manufacturers on their toes. Your video was eye-opening, intelligent and thoroughly enjoyable! New subscriber here.
@@brostelio Glad to have you on board!
Great video. As the owner of a Brocock Bantam Sniper XR Magnum in .25 and a Benjamin Gunnar in .22, which are both rather lengthy, I may have to consider an Avenger bullpup in either .177 or .22. The benefit of getting one in .22 is I already have .22 ammo for the Gunnar, which hopefully something would work well in both. For a .177 I would expect a higher shot count than the .22 version. Even though I’d have to buy ammo specific for the Avenger, the cost of .177 is considerably less than even .22 pellets and slugs. I have some decisions to make.
A .177 is loads of fun to shoot!
I use QD scope rings so I can put the bullpup avenger in a 36”x17” Plano hard case. I have compressor, gun, leupold 4-16x44 vr3 scope, target, and ammo for about the same cost as the Daystate factory price. Using a Li battery powered compressor from Amazon to fill the gun. Using .216 23 gr slugs right now as the goto ammo. Enjoyed the video!
Thanks. Sounds like a great setup!
Could you share a little info on that compressor, please? Sounds interesting.
@@ErebosOnTwoWheels I'm not sure about the one he's referenced in his comment, but you might want to check out the @targetforge Yong Heng Hot Rod Shop series, he's doing some serious scientific analysis of the performance of affordable compressors.
38:03 NO ONE was expecting to hear those words in this video!
Least of all Noah.
Estheicly the Pulsar. It`s a beauty .Price wise the Air Venturi . I love power adjustments so bad and so the Pulsar would be my favorite ....but the price !!!! Last year it was 2000+ english pounds . now? My guess is 2800 £/ 3000$ ?? I will wach the vid to the end and we`ll see. Thanks PJ
Glad you enjoyed it.
While the video was well put together and the shooting done with equal effort between the guns, showing upmost fairness to both……all i could really think was, man i wish i had a beard like PJ.
When you get to be fifty you can have one!
There are only so many ways you can make a bullpup. They all look very similar. It looks more like my Huban k1 than the Pulsar. The original Avenger I own has hammer sprung itself to pieces after 30 tins of JSB knockouts. I guess for the price it still put enough meat on the table to pay itself 4 times over. No regrets.
I don't have a K1, and now that I think of it have only seen them in videos. You are right that there are only so many ways to present a bullpup, or a rifle for that matter.
Would the Avenger .25 be consider backyard friendly ? I have a .25 marauder if Avenger is same or louder? Thanks any info
By itself, no, but something like a Sumo on it will bring it down to where the pellet hitting the target will be about as loud, if not louder, than the Avenger going off.
I added a Donny FL Tatsu on my 25 cal bullpup and it quieted it down to neighbor friendly results. Hope that helps.
Outstanding review...
Thank you very much.
What’s the guidelines on draining tank pressure when not using the gun?
I leave PCP rifles full, or wherever they are at the end of a shooting session.
saving my money now!
Awesome video. I love to see head to head stuff. O SNAP....wife said if I like that scope I better ask what it is while we have tax $. Soooo what are u running on ur "Bullvenger" my friend?
Hawke Airmax 30 FFP 4-16x50 SF, AMX IR, 1/10 MRAD, 30mm
Hope it helps.
Wow thanks for the prompt response. Now let's see if shes try to her word.
@@braddenty503 You've got this!
I did not hear what yardage you were shooting these rifles at. It’s a good idea to mention it before you start shooting thank you.
It’s in there, and others have commented on it.
It was 20 yards. We lived hours apart and both had busy and demanding jobs, and we picked a date to shoot and put it on the calendar. When the day arrived the weather was too much of a factor so we pushed on as best as we could and shot indoors and 20 yards was all we could make.
Thanks guys, for the money I cant believe the Daystate has a rear cocking lever. Id pay more for either gun for a forward (over the trigger) cocking lever. This is why I am also considering the Artemis P35.
I think it had to do with the origin of the bullpup...a rifle action.
nice music at the end !!!
Thanks!
Did you ever get the 3d printed cheek rest? I’m debating between the bull pup and traditional rifle for my first PCP.
Still working on it. I'm shooting it without the cheek piece...sort of bareback right now.
Why waste your time at 20 yards. Weight for a calm day and go for at least 50 yards.
I want the Avenger so badly
No reason not to go for it!
@@WiscAirGunners you are correct.
You will not be disappointed in the Avenger.
@@stevengoodman3498 you have a .22 or .25
@@jeremyblackwater439 I have the 25 cal.
The sumo susspressor work well with the Advger?
It’s better on the bullpup than the original rifle due to how the shrouds are constructed/supported.
27:30 why isn`t Daystate place the cockin leaver next to the trigger gard because it is electronic ! It must be easy to pull some cables to the solenoid !! I guess :))
I think it's because they have converted the action from a rifle, as opposed to designing an action from the ground up.
.22 vs .22 may have been a truer comparison.
I agree 100%, but can only use the rifles we have access to.
excellent video, but single load or magazine does not make a difference in accuracy. If your mag is not broke it should not bother the pellet at all. I have tested this over and over again and it does not matter. If it did you had better just stick to sling shots lol
try it with the gun in a vice at a indoor range.
That has not always been my experience with rifles that use a pin probe, but I respect your experience as well.
Great job comparing orange to tomatos! Diferent caliber, trajectory, pellets. At the same time you could compere it to 22lr, they are also guns and shoot...😂
All valid points. What we set out to do was see if one airgun could keep up with the other. That’s it. The Avenger clearly isn’t as refined as the more expensive Pulsar, but can it get the job done given the conditions we had to work with? Nothing more.
We couldn’t shoot the .22lr in that environment for a variety of safety and legal reasons.
Great video but shouldnt you have done the same caliber. Jw
If money were no object that's exactly what you'd have seen and more.
nice vdeo,.i only have one point of criticism......you always treat a gun as if it is loaded, why is the avenger pointed at Noah .. is an absolute no go
It’s the perspective shift from the 3d world to the 2d of video. Both muzzles were pointed in safe directions relative to where we were seated.
Sorry to cause concern.
That Avenger seemingly pointed at Noah's head was REALLY DISTRACTING!!!!!
The hazard of not having a cameraman! Trust me it was not anywhere near him!
Dude was visibly upset his daystate was out performed by the avenger.
It's his baby...First Love...You know how it is.
You're just looking for a hunting rifle or anything about 75 yards and in the avenger is about the best you can buy for the money the day States and air arms and fx's are way overpriced in comparison.
That 75 yard mark is about right.
Do you believe in telling which target you are shooting at
Do you mean to ask which targets we were using for the testing...custom ones we made up. If you mean something else let me know.
13:10 looks like its aimed right at his dome.
Perspective. If I only had the budget for a camera operator! 🤣
I dont own a pulsar but I do own a daystate renegade
My boy has a avenger
I like the uk quality but at list mine is not accurate like impact
My son keeps up with his avenger against my impact sniper
My renegade is nice but not really a gun you can modify like avenger or impact
Hello and good evening.
I am very new to airgunning and looking to buy my first. I am looking for something around the $1000 range that can be used for hunting, personal defense, and home defense. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Oh yeah, I live up in Eagle River. 🧀🧀🧀
There is lots of debate on airguns for home defense. Many are strongly against that idea, and there are solid reasons for that.
If I set that aside, you'll probably need to decide what you are wanting to hunt in order for me to make anything close to a recommendation.
What is the point of this...you use a single shot tray/ loading for each rifle and then talk about all the upgrades on the pulsar.Really..a comparison beyond belief
Sorry if we wasted your time.
Looks a lot like a hatsan flashpup qe
I can see that comparison too.
shoot a zbroia kozak from georgia airuns accuracy is fantastic.mine at 20yrds .22 off a bench no wind 40 shots same hole.!
Nice!
177 vs 22? Lame comparison. What a waste of time.
James,
Time is valuable, and I'm very sorry if I've wasted yours.
It sounds like the pulsar is an over priced priced piece of crap.
I wouldn’t go that far. It’s an excellent airgun. There are airguns that are just as accurate that cost significantly less.
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