i definitely find this take intriguing, but especially for seeing previous doctors be able to act similarly in similar circumstances, i’m interested in how you feel about 11 and 12’s relationships with river song, 11’s escapades, 10’s and 9’s relationship with rose, and 8’s romantic side overall. in all honesty, the romantic side of the doctor doesn’t feel out of place as it’s been established time and time again with various incarnations
@@AidanGulaMediaso it's exciting that he's queer, but he should also be asexual, and it's great that he's joyous and not "miserable" (i.e. has a conscience), but he should also have a mean side....
On the topic of 15 cryin a lot. In my own experience once you’ve lived with trauma for longer periods of time it becomes too heavy to acknowledge all the time or be aware of and it becomes a necessity to focus on fabricated joy and small projects to hide it away, much like 13. If 14 is the version that gets to heal it makes total sense that 15 is closer to their emotions and cries more. Healing doesn’t mean forgetting or letting go of trauma. Healing means accepting and understanding. To experience genocide and soooo much death and tragedy is not something anyone would be able to ever completely get over, not even the Doctor. In my experience there is an influx of raw emotional expression when you’ve started to truly dig out the rot that trauma causes. After years of finding it difficult or not even being able to cry at all you’re suddenly crying over everything. Not necessarily because of sadness alone, but just to relieve pressure. Top tier video btw
I don't think 15 is healed from his wounds. He clearly shows that he is insecure about his past, like in Church on Ruby Road he calls himself '''Bad luck''. In Rogue he tries to avoid a deep conversation with Ruby after losing Rogue and then in the finale he calls himself ''disaster''. So I believe he is more open about his feelings, he is not afraid to cry and shout. But he also feels aware of the losses he endured. I think he tries to see the good in the bad. When he talks about Gallifrey, he mentions he is glad to be alive and diverts the conversation to ''This thing flies''. When he mentions Susan, his reaction is to laugh at the end of Ruby conforting him and hugging him. After losing Rogue, he gets up and talks about going onwards. While I think 13 avoided those conversations entirely and acted quirky and silly to hide her trauma, 15 seems to talk about it and then act like no big deal.
I think what's interesting about that is Ruby does the same thing; she opens up about her feelings, someone will try to comfort her and she acts like things are all fine. It's a nice reflection of character, even if they don't really do anything with it. Here's hoping it's expanded upon in season 2/series 15
Irrelevant to the rest of the video, which is great by the way, but your thumbnails are absolutely awesome! Love your unique style of content - it’s very rare to see - and it’s a shame your channel isn’t bigger. But hey ho, I’ll keep supporting you as long as you’re making stuff.
@@MrGreaves Thank you! I know my thumbnails aren't very clickbaity but I'm glad someone appreciates the aesthetic! I try to keep a house style. I try my best to do a video a month (regardless of traction)!
@@AidanGulaMedia Ah man, screw clickbaity thumbnails. You’re true to yourself and your style, and I love that so much. Even with the editing. I’d love to have a defined style like yours. And that kinda attitude and aesthetic is what will attract people. Lots of love for your stuff, can’t wait to see more once a month!
This is coming in late, but I totally agreed with your take on the doctor's relationships bit. I don't think kissing anyone should be something the doctor does. For all previous doctors, there has been a sense of being otherworldly and refusing to be tied down to romantic notions of humanity - but Ncuti's doctor is sexual and openly into relationships - a big BIG jump from the previous doctors. I am not in favour of this choice, not because being gay or romantic is a bad thing - but because the doctor is and has always been ASEXUAL. To change that all of a sudden is to change the doctor's identity in every way for the rest of us - who know that although there have been regenerations, there are some basic ideas common to all doctors. And I hate to see that go away. My whole face was cringing when there was flirting going on with Rogue. The same has been true when I saw Matt Smith's doctor flirting with River Song - please just...keep the doctor's sexual and romantic notions out of the show. If he/she/they keeps liking people and companions, there will be weird ass story lines coming in
@@andrewlawless9796 I don't know. The beauty of watching the Doctor as a character is understanding the journey he's been on for thousands of years and how all those adventures and experiences brought him to this very moment. So if he behaves in a way that doesn't seem consistent with that, it's quite jarring and snaps me out of the moment. If I see Gatwa (or any other Doctor) do something that doesn't feel consistent with something say Tom Baker would have done, then I don't find it as believable that it is the same character just in a different body. RTD has always had the interpretation that "some other man" takes over, but I have the very firm belief that it's the exact same man with the same memories and inclinations just with a different face.
Thinking that every doctor can be defined by a single word is to miss the very contradictions that make the character interesting in any incarnation. "...so many miserable Doctors..." Matt Smith seemed miserable to you? Tennant had plenty of joy and excitement. He's conflicted. That's interesting. Now you find 15's lack of darkness refreshing... but also complain about the lack of depth. My dude....
@AidanGulaMedia I don't really remember 9, 10, 11 or 12 crying all that much. They had a darker side, because they had a conscience. You yourself said that 15 cries all the time. You also said that it was refreshing that he isn't "miserable". And seemingly complained about a lack of depth. I'm suggesting that what you interpreted as "miserable" was real depth due to internal conflict. And that, feeling refreshed by the lack of that inner conflict, while being dissatisfied by insufficient depth, shows a lack of insight.
@Bapuji42 But that's what I'm saying. I am refreshed that 15 is free of trauma and sadness, so it's boring when he cries all the time because this seems to be the only way they can think to show depth. I would rather see development through him building happy connections and relationships and seeing how the Doctor grows into a more jovial existence as opposed to the Time War aftermath we've become so accustomed to. If the 15th Doctor is supposed to be the healed Doctor, I want to see that. That's where the depth can be found rather than having to fall back on sadness and misery. Big emotional moments don't land when the Doctor cries every episode, it cheapens those moments.
@@AidanGulaMedia Put another way, character depth doesn't just come from combining traits, it comes from the inner contradictions that make us all human (or Time Lord). For the Doctor, part of that is that he's done horrible things in order to serve what he thought was a larger good. His conscience bothers him and he sometimes doubts whether what he did was right. And that's what ultimately makes him a good man. You seem to have responded with pleasure to that aspect having been brushed away with 15. I submit that his resulting lack of depth is the necessary consequence of that. You're right, crying a lot isn't deep. Capriciously being mean in between being joyous isn't really deep either. Personally, 15's bippity boppety enthusiasm came across as shallow from the beginning, with no sense of the weight of the Doctor's existence behind it. A life lived for fun, excitement... that's not really the Doctor's essence at all. I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he's hiding from his conscience and it'll all come tumbling down on him in some dramatically satisfying way. We'll see.
@AidanGulaMedia Agree about the crying. It's cheap. Getting more and more happy all the time isn't depth. It's neither comedy nor tragedy. It's fanfiction. That's my point. The Time war is something in his past. To have him forget about that and just move on would be obscene. Once you gloss over the very real darkness in his past, you're forced to have him cry all the time to have any shadows at all. Which is cheap.
Great criticism. I've seen a lot, and this is tops in perspicacity. A few things now. Gatwa's Doctor isn't joyous; he's gay. I intend the pun. The traditional meaning of _gay_ involved a certain amount of disregard. Joy is when you have a great time with friends. Gay is when you're at a fancy party where you don't care the servants aren't so happy. People get this wrong all the time. Some translations of _The Gay Science_ say _The Joyous Wisdom._ This is wrong. Nietzsche knew full well he was laughing whilst driving a stiletto into German philosophy. Thus, "Rogue," where a dead companion doesn't get much in the way of a good snog. His Doctor isn't emotional but rather emotionalistic. It's not that he cries too often, though this is how a viewer might rationalize it. It's that he mostly cries without meaning. It's a bit like AI art. The appearance is good enough, but it is vacuous. Once a roommate of mine decided to go as a Jackson Pollack to a party, splattering paint on a white coat. His girlfriend broke up with him between the front and the back. I swear you could see the difference in emotion in the splatters. I don't see emotion in Gatwa's crying most of the time; I see mere performance. I don't fault Gatwa for this but rather what he was given to play. Actors get the publicity, and so are who are praised or blamed, but they are hired to speak words and do things other people wrote. Sure, RTD1 worked because Eccleston pushed back against RTD, but that is rare, and for a time he was blacklisted for doing so. For me, Eccleston's characterization reminded me of _The Face of Evil,_ which buffered it a bit.
i definitely find this take intriguing, but especially for seeing previous doctors be able to act similarly in similar circumstances, i’m interested in how you feel about 11 and 12’s relationships with river song, 11’s escapades, 10’s and 9’s relationship with rose, and 8’s romantic side overall. in all honesty, the romantic side of the doctor doesn’t feel out of place as it’s been established time and time again with various incarnations
@@ralphisback Yeah and I acknowledge that and say I don't like it. I've always preferred the Doctor to be asexual.
@@AidanGulaMediaso it's exciting that he's queer, but he should also be asexual, and it's great that he's joyous and not "miserable" (i.e. has a conscience), but he should also have a mean side....
On the topic of 15 cryin a lot. In my own experience once you’ve lived with trauma for longer periods of time it becomes too heavy to acknowledge all the time or be aware of and it becomes a necessity to focus on fabricated joy and small projects to hide it away, much like 13. If 14 is the version that gets to heal it makes total sense that 15 is closer to their emotions and cries more. Healing doesn’t mean forgetting or letting go of trauma. Healing means accepting and understanding. To experience genocide and soooo much death and tragedy is not something anyone would be able to ever completely get over, not even the Doctor. In my experience there is an influx of raw emotional expression when you’ve started to truly dig out the rot that trauma causes. After years of finding it difficult or not even being able to cry at all you’re suddenly crying over everything. Not necessarily because of sadness alone, but just to relieve pressure. Top tier video btw
I don't think 15 is healed from his wounds. He clearly shows that he is insecure about his past, like in Church on Ruby Road he calls himself '''Bad luck''. In Rogue he tries to avoid a deep conversation with Ruby after losing Rogue and then in the finale he calls himself ''disaster''.
So I believe he is more open about his feelings, he is not afraid to cry and shout. But he also feels aware of the losses he endured.
I think he tries to see the good in the bad. When he talks about Gallifrey, he mentions he is glad to be alive and diverts the conversation to ''This thing flies''. When he mentions Susan, his reaction is to laugh at the end of Ruby conforting him and hugging him. After losing Rogue, he gets up and talks about going onwards. While I think 13 avoided those conversations entirely and acted quirky and silly to hide her trauma, 15 seems to talk about it and then act like no big deal.
I think what's interesting about that is Ruby does the same thing; she opens up about her feelings, someone will try to comfort her and she acts like things are all fine. It's a nice reflection of character, even if they don't really do anything with it. Here's hoping it's expanded upon in season 2/series 15
yep, after a lot of self-care and rehab, he's managed to buffer his conscience out entirely and just have fuuuuuuun, honey
Irrelevant to the rest of the video, which is great by the way, but your thumbnails are absolutely awesome! Love your unique style of content - it’s very rare to see - and it’s a shame your channel isn’t bigger.
But hey ho, I’ll keep supporting you as long as you’re making stuff.
@@MrGreaves Thank you! I know my thumbnails aren't very clickbaity but I'm glad someone appreciates the aesthetic! I try to keep a house style. I try my best to do a video a month (regardless of traction)!
@@AidanGulaMedia Ah man, screw clickbaity thumbnails. You’re true to yourself and your style, and I love that so much. Even with the editing. I’d love to have a defined style like yours. And that kinda attitude and aesthetic is what will attract people. Lots of love for your stuff, can’t wait to see more once a month!
This is coming in late, but I totally agreed with your take on the doctor's relationships bit. I don't think kissing anyone should be something the doctor does. For all previous doctors, there has been a sense of being otherworldly and refusing to be tied down to romantic notions of humanity - but Ncuti's doctor is sexual and openly into relationships - a big BIG jump from the previous doctors. I am not in favour of this choice, not because being gay or romantic is a bad thing - but because the doctor is and has always been ASEXUAL. To change that all of a sudden is to change the doctor's identity in every way for the rest of us - who know that although there have been regenerations, there are some basic ideas common to all doctors. And I hate to see that go away. My whole face was cringing when there was flirting going on with Rogue. The same has been true when I saw Matt Smith's doctor flirting with River Song - please just...keep the doctor's sexual and romantic notions out of the show. If he/she/they keeps liking people and companions, there will be weird ass story lines coming in
i thinks saying certain gatwa moments don't land because you cant imagine past dr's behaving the same is an unfair criticism.
@@andrewlawless9796 I don't know. The beauty of watching the Doctor as a character is understanding the journey he's been on for thousands of years and how all those adventures and experiences brought him to this very moment. So if he behaves in a way that doesn't seem consistent with that, it's quite jarring and snaps me out of the moment. If I see Gatwa (or any other Doctor) do something that doesn't feel consistent with something say Tom Baker would have done, then I don't find it as believable that it is the same character just in a different body.
RTD has always had the interpretation that "some other man" takes over, but I have the very firm belief that it's the exact same man with the same memories and inclinations just with a different face.
Thinking that every doctor can be defined by a single word is to miss the very contradictions that make the character interesting in any incarnation.
"...so many miserable Doctors..."
Matt Smith seemed miserable to you? Tennant had plenty of joy and excitement. He's conflicted. That's interesting.
Now you find 15's lack of darkness refreshing... but also complain about the lack of depth. My dude....
@@Bapuji42 A character can have depth without needing to cry all the time. Depth ≠ sadness.
@AidanGulaMedia I don't really remember 9, 10, 11 or 12 crying all that much. They had a darker side, because they had a conscience.
You yourself said that 15 cries all the time. You also said that it was refreshing that he isn't "miserable". And seemingly complained about a lack of depth.
I'm suggesting that what you interpreted as "miserable" was real depth due to internal conflict. And that, feeling refreshed by the lack of that inner conflict, while being dissatisfied by insufficient depth, shows a lack of insight.
@Bapuji42 But that's what I'm saying. I am refreshed that 15 is free of trauma and sadness, so it's boring when he cries all the time because this seems to be the only way they can think to show depth. I would rather see development through him building happy connections and relationships and seeing how the Doctor grows into a more jovial existence as opposed to the Time War aftermath we've become so accustomed to. If the 15th Doctor is supposed to be the healed Doctor, I want to see that. That's where the depth can be found rather than having to fall back on sadness and misery. Big emotional moments don't land when the Doctor cries every episode, it cheapens those moments.
@@AidanGulaMedia Put another way, character depth doesn't just come from combining traits, it comes from the inner contradictions that make us all human (or Time Lord).
For the Doctor, part of that is that he's done horrible things in order to serve what he thought was a larger good. His conscience bothers him and he sometimes doubts whether what he did was right. And that's what ultimately makes him a good man.
You seem to have responded with pleasure to that aspect having been brushed away with 15. I submit that his resulting lack of depth is the necessary consequence of that.
You're right, crying a lot isn't deep. Capriciously being mean in between being joyous isn't really deep either.
Personally, 15's bippity boppety enthusiasm came across as shallow from the beginning, with no sense of the weight of the Doctor's existence behind it. A life lived for fun, excitement... that's not really the Doctor's essence at all. I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he's hiding from his conscience and it'll all come tumbling down on him in some dramatically satisfying way. We'll see.
@AidanGulaMedia Agree about the crying. It's cheap.
Getting more and more happy all the time isn't depth. It's neither comedy nor tragedy. It's fanfiction. That's my point.
The Time war is something in his past. To have him forget about that and just move on would be obscene.
Once you gloss over the very real darkness in his past, you're forced to have him cry all the time to have any shadows at all. Which is cheap.
He cries a lot.
Poor guy seems like an emotional wreck.
Great criticism. I've seen a lot, and this is tops in perspicacity. A few things now.
Gatwa's Doctor isn't joyous; he's gay. I intend the pun. The traditional meaning of _gay_ involved a certain amount of disregard. Joy is when you have a great time with friends. Gay is when you're at a fancy party where you don't care the servants aren't so happy.
People get this wrong all the time. Some translations of _The Gay Science_ say _The Joyous Wisdom._ This is wrong. Nietzsche knew full well he was laughing whilst driving a stiletto into German philosophy.
Thus, "Rogue," where a dead companion doesn't get much in the way of a good snog.
His Doctor isn't emotional but rather emotionalistic. It's not that he cries too often, though this is how a viewer might rationalize it. It's that he mostly cries without meaning.
It's a bit like AI art. The appearance is good enough, but it is vacuous. Once a roommate of mine decided to go as a Jackson Pollack to a party, splattering paint on a white coat. His girlfriend broke up with him between the front and the back. I swear you could see the difference in emotion in the splatters. I don't see emotion in Gatwa's crying most of the time; I see mere performance.
I don't fault Gatwa for this but rather what he was given to play. Actors get the publicity, and so are who are praised or blamed, but they are hired to speak words and do things other people wrote. Sure, RTD1 worked because Eccleston pushed back against RTD, but that is rare, and for a time he was blacklisted for doing so.
For me, Eccleston's characterization reminded me of _The Face of Evil,_ which buffered it a bit.
Sorry, he's just a rotten choice.