Vintage BMX vs. New School BMX - Which is Better For You?
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- In today's Tech Thursday video brought to you by EPIC BMX by Phu Vu we have Vintage BMX vs. New School BMX - Which is Better For You? The two bikes that are being compared are the 2022 Subrosa MR2 Matt Ray signature Subrosa Brand bike jam packed with the latest Shadow Conspiracy bmx parts vs this 1986 Mongoose BMX
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My only issue with new school is just the lack of color and chrome. Seems like all manufactures just do black, white, teal, and red again "seems" like. Phu/Al I am interested on your take of the repop bikes like the Mongoose California and Supergoose, the E.T. 40th bike etc etc. What's old, what's new, where did these manufacturers improved on or cheaped out on??
Plus all the frames look alike
@@BerserkerNick there is very little in the geometry performance wise you are now just chjanging size for preference but the bikes are built to stunt that is why they all look very similair until material science moves on there will be no change
@@stuartmorganbmx I wasn't talking about geometry, the new geometry is awesome. I was talking about style. I know there are a couple throwback designs out there like Haro is doing with the freestylers and GT is doing with the performers and those are awesome in their own right, which is cool. But. Im not talking about throwbacks either. What I'm talking about is most of these newer bikes having basically the same frame design, the same colors, then having sticker kits that are either nonexistent or barely visible. Alot of companies aren't even stamping their logo on frames anymore. It is possible to have both style and function. Individuality is lost when everything looks the same.
@@BerserkerNick the point of a basic looking bike is to show off your "style" through your riding.
I used to think like that - I regretted it
Ill tell you this, I have a 1983 mongoose supergoose that Ive had since 1983 when I was a kid. I beat the living hell out of that bike and I still have it and I still ride it with my kids. All I did was regrease the hubs and bearings it still rides like it did in 1983 and is still is perfect condition. I don’t know if the bikes built today could last 39 years from now and still be ridden with minimal maintenance.
Yes, even less maintenance, sealed bearings yo
@@hohohaha999 na, when a sealed bearing gets play in it you have to put it in the bin.
You can replace balls and regrease cupncone literally for 50 years
yeah but we talking about real bmx, not just ride, a pro would destroy your oldschool bike in 1 day
@@fodedordegatas1081 Wow cool man! Thanks for letting me know. I appreciate it. Have a nice day 😊
@@EastCoastPGS no problem sir, much love
I’m old school Bmx but I agree with them that new school bikes can take so much more even tho todays bikes do look the same no matter the manufacturer.
Best thing about old bmx is the dropouts had much more adjustment. Changing chainrings and sprockets were much easier. Now you need a half link chain.
I think new bikes are 1000 times better than the old school 80s stuff. The mid school stuff was the best and the standard that today's bikes are built to. One thing I'll give the old school is they had cool design, styling, and personality. I remember breaking stuff all the time on old school and mainstream popular early 90s stuff.
Do a video on geometry. Old school vs mid school, and today. relate tricks to geometry, like steep head tube is easier to learn nose manuels. Or a lower bottom bracket helps stability. This can help explain the evolution of tricks. It help some people choose the correct frame size and parts.
Ok Phu, I like all your shop videos but this video I haven't even seen it yet.
The headline caught my attention. I'm 48, still ride but I'm an old school guy till I die.
But the old school bike you're presenting is making us old school lovers look bad. Please if you ever compare old school to new school bikes, reach out to me. I live 20 min from your shop. I got 3 old school racing bikes that make your subscribers think twice comparing old school vs new school. 💯👍
What do you have?
@@roberthuffmann8204 Too much to describe. Look me up in FB I will accept friend request
@@mrblackitalian3715 just curious which three bikes that you mentioned
All the new bikes look alike, where'd all the style go?
Apples to oranges.
Trick bike to race bike.🤔
Old school is way better! I hate the stupid little sprockets they put on the bmx bikes
I have my old redline all original and my new subrosa. I love my redline but the subrosa is so much more fun
They dont make them like they used to (style and looks). I hate the looks of the new bikes but those fukkers will hold up to anything,plus the headsets now with threadless forks and mid bottom bracket inventions are awesome.
I miss the era of the 80s, but modern bikes are 1,000 percent better.. no one misses tightening the headset every mile, axle bending when you mention a peg.. bikes were either under built in the 80s-90s then severely over built in the early 2000s.
Front triangles too short, rear too long, laid back posts would of never existed if frame geometry was correct. All wheels sucked in the 80s, I always ended up back on Skyway mags, that also sucked
80s bikes had character for sure, some too much so, but still you knew a GT, Haro, CW from a mile away.
80s bikes are now shelf queens that cost a small car to restore and then stare at..
My newest ride I have 2700 into and don't want to scratch that either! So I find myself looking for a beat up frame and parts to ride so I don't feel bad grinding...
Old is Kool,
New is better.
If you had a Hutch Trickstar or a Haro Freestyler instead of that Mongoose everyone would understand the point you're trying to make
You made a video about an old bike and a new bike, so make us one about everything in between, steel, cro-Molly, aluminum, fiber, etc. Talk about the changes, and when they happen, threaded to Threadless, throw in a 1 inch Threadless fork, and go back a little farther, I know you got something with a banana seat😂
Vintage BMX all the way dudes !
Great point. I love the style of the old school but the new stuff is so much better. I think Haro nailed the combo of old school with new with all their Lineage stuff.
True haro kept there game up with bike technology and old school taste
Invotion is a hella of a thing.
Retro mods.. Old/midschool with new drivetrain and wheels
yeah but its pretty hard to find newschool hubs that 3 8ths im rebuilding a midschool and had to get mags over the crappy single walled rims
@@griffeth59
Just file/grind the dropouts to 14mm. Super easy.
@@CNYKnifeNerd I dont wanna destroy the drop outs
I prefer old school.
New subscriber. Just the nerd chat I was looking for
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I'm 60 and he's totally right.
I dunno if anyone's ever snapped 80s pro bmx, like mongoose Pro class, supergoose, kuwahara etc, they're strong.
Im 47 & still daily ride ride my '84 General Hustler Pro... 40 years & still the baddest motherfucking machine.
Just restored a DK Six Pack. Upgraded the rear u-brake, silver or black.....that was the only choice. Rubbish!!!!
Old school race bike vs a new school freestyler....hmm not the best comparison. You right tho in some respects. I use to swap out weak parts for stronger parts all the time.
great vid, Love the old school bike design and uiqueness, never realized the difference in strength !
I have a Redline RL240 Chrome thats gonna get a modern conversion other than frame, forks, gooseneck and the oldschool mags, It has more modern stronger bars. Im going with better , brakes and levers, Gyro, Grips etc.. For what I do Im not a big air, Big landing rider so getting back in game oldschool bike should work, I go newer bike as I progress
How about comparing OG GT performer to a new school gt performer?
I like your subrosa, I,ve collecting the bike it is SUBROSA GRIFFIN, subrosa salvador and subrosa sono, I,ok choose new school one
Before I think it was more of the look then function like the skateboards used to be all different shapes I just think everyone before used to like to look wild 😛
Best BMX channel out there. Still learning after 35 years, 80s definitely have style for miles. Every last part was ingenuity. Thanks for these videos. Restoration videos never get old, maybe pick 5 or 6 old school companies and do a profile on a specific bike or the company itself.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. John 3:16 and 17
I’m a sneaker collector. There is a pretty good parallel to BMX bikes. Some of the retro sneakers look so good…they look a better than a lot of current basketball shoes. But I wouldn’t use them for serious hooping.
Perfeito! As novas BMX e suas peças infelizmente parecem sair de máquinas de xerox! A velha escola aí contrário tinha identidade! estilo e cores! Não só tubos pretos
Phu you should talk about 22” BMX bikes and older dudes getting back into riding. I’m about to be 38 lol. Rep for the old guys dude. I love the videos please make more! And also #Alfgang
🙏🏼🙏🏼 thanks brotha! We’ll do a video on 22s soon!
Yeah, I love my 22" general lee!!!!!
bike companies should make new bikes that look exactly like the olds....so the olds will not be overpriced...LOL
Tools from 90s were veryyy expensive where i am the tools post 2017 are like very cheap. So in case of tools better now that before thanks to copycat china.😂😂😂😂
I mean he ain't wrong but the 80's bike is a race bike. Compare the strength and style of that Subrosa vs a 1997 GT Pro Freestyle Tour Team
I agree back in the day you were able to tell exactly what someone was riding, nowadays it’s all similar
New BMX bikes look all the same. Back then every brand's bike looked different.
Phu’s absolutely right! I have both styles as a BMX fanatic and BMX builder and I much rather have an old school! Alf and Phu I love the videos, love the how you guys get down. Keep them coming, awesome work Alf!
Apples to Oranges old school was for racing new school are not BMX they are freestyle trick bikes. Old racers still did simple tricks on the street. Love the channel wish racing would come back
I'm always a fan of innovation when it comes to bmx. Whether its olschool, mid or new.
I love knowing the history of how a certain part that has been improved upon from how it used to be made.
Back then, bikes were made for racing, so durability wasn't much an issue and style is what sets bikes apart. but as riding progressed, and parts start breaking, parts became beefier and heavier to accommodate. New school parts now is a happy middle of strength to weight ratio on a tried and true overall geometry and i think has peaked. But when it comes to skill progression, seeing younger kids do tricks you wouldn't imagine yourself doing is a testament that what we have now works.
Bmx is simple, as it should. When you have a bike that can be taken apart with just a 6mm allen wrench, that is good enough for me.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. John 3:16 and 17.
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Nah Fu old school mo fos don’t sweat this new stuff OS was for shortys in Jr high or Hs riding N looking dope on the block bro all this new stuff is built for the over 21 boys that’s why they built heavy duty point blank that’s it
Bike's now days don't have the style like the old Bike's. The color's now days are black amd black .
that Mongoose isnt a freestyle bike so its not built like one. If you were showing New vs old freestyle bikes then maybe show an old freestyle bike like a Haro Freestyler or GT Performer. Just a suggestion
I gotta admit I'm not that old but I just got a bike from my past that I loved as a kid and it had some style for a 2000 Mongoose Hoop D lol but ya you can't buy that quality of a mongoose anymore to my knowledge but I own a few bicycles that are gone as far as I know like DiamondBack and Schwinn
Not a fair comparison, 1 is a race bike, put it against a new race bike. Still not much Brand steez like the 80's
I hate how bike don't have character anymore everything now days are cookie cutter bikes. Midschool ftw
my 1st "BMX" was a mongoose expert beat on it every day for years it was fine...the expert is only 4130 on the front triangle
Same here.! Still got it and it's still going strong. Put this bike through hell...
At first I thought the blue bike was a diamondback with an SE handlebars
New bikes are like new cars... bland styling and they all look the same. No personality aesthetics
I’M UPSET!!!!!!!!!!~!!!!!!
🙆🏻♀️🙆🏻♀️
Too old to push a bike to a breaking point. Imma cruise to the liquor store😆
Most mongoose frames I have have a lifetime guarantee if he broke it do you bikes have that???
I would really like a new bmx with the old school geometry!
Real bmx bikes were made in the usa back in the day not the Taiwan junk.
I get what your saying the loves not there... but priorities change, both have their attributes
So why cant thy make the new ones with an different styles. Thy all look Exactly the same
I'm 42 but just got into BMX a year ago so I'm all new school
It's crazy how it's nearly impossible to buy new wheels for an older bike. New wheels have a 14mm axle, a 9 tooth cog, and many rims are unable to run brakes. And hope you like the color black, because that's basically the only color available today, for both hubs and rims.
? where do you live you can't find some good rims, I live in the middle of nowhere and can get em shipped easy, whatever color I want
except like yellow I guess I've never seen
profile colourways for hubs g sport colourways for rims
older - you mean 25 years old ?
I’m obsessed with that Mongoose. It doesn’t get any sexier than that.
I remember trying to street ride on my 1995 diamondback assault after watching Road fools and snap my back axle from a feeble grind 😂👍🚲💨
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. John 3:16 and 17
Alfredo ,where i can buy some old school bikes ?
I own an Eastern thats maybe 8-10 years old and have my Osborn Pro still rideable(86). I have a Kuwahara Bravo KT and a Hutch Trickstar and have a midschool Gambler Pro and a Specialized 415. I like my oldschool best
Is your Osborne a General Hustler PRO?
long shorts are out of style...cut your shorts 3 more inches
Yup your right but at the end of the day I rather be on the mongoose all day
First thing that catches my eye is that small ass sprocket why it so small
I miss my Schwinn predator
old school bmx designed for speed and comfort but modern bmx designed for practicality and stunts exhibitions.
and quality
OMG, camera moving around like The Blair Witch Project
Not at all 😂😂😂
As someone who's been riding since the 80's I can tell you modern bikes are WAY better than the ones we grew up on. Old Skool BMX is highly overrated & not worth a dime in my opinion.
I agree, i have 2 old school bmx’s sitting in my lounge room and dont bother riding them, my modern bmx is way better to ride in many ways
The threadless fork / stem combo definitely improved strength up front. But other than that, what else is a major improvement?
@@AmazingChinaToday Bmx has come along way from the 80’s bikes, stronger, better geometry, and built very tough, im an older rider and i feel safer on the modern bmx bikes, i still love the older bmx’s but to ride or race il stick with what feels right. Plus the early bmx bikes i own are tiny compared to my modern bike, one has 20.75 tt and the other 21, bit more clearance
I love Style..💃💃💃💃🚴🚴🚴🚴🚴🚴😋😋😋
🤔, old vs new both have their pros and cons. Oldschool yeah I'm more of mid school. I would like to see how you rate my 3 next to new. But no weight weinne. They weigh more than 30 lbs an smoother than butter. I run 2.3 on all with triple walled
Heavy duty sprockets k415 chains. I Dont know
Trust them more than new.
Maybe we’ll do a viewer submission on Instagram
All i ever had go wrong with my old BMX would be getting a puncture, or replace brake blocks.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. John 3:16 and 17
Sealed bearings!
I have a sabrosa wild child and a Matt Ray. Definitely like the new school stuff for riding the old school stuff is nice to sit and ride around but don't do any tricks on it. One of my biggest things with progression of back in the day was breaking everything
Bang on, if you rode hard back in the day you broke stuff all the time (even the good makes). I snapped forks,broke frames, bent bars......
New stuff is strong but just not the style or individuality, shame. Shame the linage stuff and the like is SO expensive, as almost the best of both, but 2K for a bike......
Alflaredo that was another banging video and guys like Phu they don't make guys like him nomore 😂💙🙏
HAHAHAH
@@royTheLightning cheers brother 👍🏾
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. John 3:16 and 17
While it's true that most BMX bikes today look the same, there are still parts available that'll give them that 80s look. More importantly, though, are stronger pound for pound, lighter, and have significantly better geometry.
I loved my 92 Haro Aggro and it held up until 2009 when it was stolen, but I love my 2021 Midway way more. I think BMX is one of the only things that benefits from not being made like it used to be.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. John 3:16 and 17.
The better geometry aspect is getting a bit tired. An old school BMX bike requires the rider to adjust to the bike vs geometry customization to fit the sport. So to say the geometry is better is a misnomer.
Damn good video.
Tailwhip Thursday do it would of been amazing to watch that mongoose fly, old school tires I just think tioga comp III. 🤔
Guys on July 16th there's gonna be a Midschool GT BMX bike ride. We may swing by your shop to show you some Midschool GT race bikes ultraboxes, boxes, recall bikes you know all the cool midschool shit.
My fave BMX channel.Fu is the man and has a great sense of humor.He loves when people prank him,let's see more of that!My idea is do more comparos,like 2021 Performer heritage vs stock 87 performer. Repops vs "oldpops" bikes.
What has changed?
Old school rules, but then again I’m old 51 and still cruising a old school. My personal is a custom mixed 1978 mongoose with old and mid school parts. I’m not that extreme anymore. Bless up bro love the videos
Yes for sure old school are way more cool 😎 but new school are way more stronger 💪🏼
Facts
I use snap on tools lol
Phu I’m old school like yourself. Can you feature any old school bmx. Maybe a viewer can bring one in. I like how you cover the bikes or any bmx topic. I would bring mine but I live down in SD. Maybe once a week you can feature one 👍
Modern bike building philosophy is simple - Form follows function. That’s an engineers mantra right there!
You are absolutely right. I have a 2021 GT Dyno Pro Compe 29” BMX and it is so robust. The tubing is much larger and the axles are 14mm vs 3/8”. Crankset is more robust and better brakes (V vs Caliper) too. I like the looks of the old school and it brings back memories but the testing was more opinionated and not scientific. You bring a lot of good information as some buyers are looking to cruise around the neighborhood and others are looking to put the bike through h3ll and back. Keep the videos coming.
Old-school and Midschool bikes have style. These new school bikes look like someone pulled them out of the trashcan no style whatsoever. Everything is black no chrome super lame and ugly if you ask me. But they are sure strong AF lol
since i got my 2006 gt performer back in 2006 only thing i done to it was paint and some maintance to the rear hub , front hub and bottom bracket. it still got every original part except grips and tires. Full 4130 cro-moly its not really heavy nor light. it still rides as good as it did in 2006-2010. 10/10 would buy again
alfredo, are you running metal pegs or plastic?
plus those both are amazing bikes, but the old skool can be modded with modern parts mixed with old skool also.. lol
its all on the riders wishes and ideas in their heads.
Phu, you should do a video on best gyro set ups, or best type for modern and old skool:)
I run plastic
@@AlfredoMancuso do you like them better than metal? and im wondering why?:)
“Make them like they used to” definitely isn’t the same across the board for everything. As I would agree though, that most items made back when most things were made in the USA, are actually of a more solid build quality and heavier duty better materials. But in the case of Automobiles, most modern cars are more reliable and last longer. But older vehicles are far easier to do an engine rebuild in your garage with basic hand tools. The sheet metal and cheap plastic interior on modern cars won’t last very long at all.
You should build out one of your gems you have hanging around. Maybe even referrbing a old wheel set w new bearings free wheel ect… lol I’m trying idk
Can you talk about the price of the older box bikes compared to now? I do understand the whole vintage aspect of the older bikes which makes them a little more pricey.
The 80’s bikes had style.. we also were not doing flairs, flips or tail whips..
Nothing was better then mag rims back in the days
Should do vid on Repops vs originals
Good idea!
Midschool?
Works for the the title better haha
You guys should go on a mountain bike ride and go on trails and record it, just have fun
Thank you bro. Great video I love old school bmx