It's Getting HOT! | Framing Bedroom Walls | Building Our Off-Grid House (By Hand)

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  • @williamhill9432
    @williamhill9432 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    It’s so nice to see a wonderful young family working together. I love the fact that you mentioned The Mass and that you are church folk. God Bless you and your family in all you do!!

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thanks for joining us and God bless you 🙏

  • @gusbracewell3856
    @gusbracewell3856 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sometimes you get warped wood and sometimes the sun and heat will warp the wood,but most of the time you can straighten it out as you nail it for the ones you can’t you can either send it back for credit or use it for fire blocking or dead wood and returns.

  • @andrewpowellnz
    @andrewpowellnz 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Justin and Lilly, you are doing a great job, nice to see the kids "helping". I hope it doesn't get too hot before you get the rest of the walls & roof rafters up.
    Do try not to get too sunburnt, else you will have to work at night.

  • @flowerstone
    @flowerstone 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Don’t forget to lock the inner walls on the top plates. Put the top plate on all the inner walls first and then put the top plate on the outer walls. Or cut out where the inner walls lock on the outer walls. 😊

  • @joyceandjohngrambush9488
    @joyceandjohngrambush9488 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    It was in 1969, I did what you and your family doing, building or dream house. My tools were a radial arm saw using the neighbors electric otherwise a hammer and nails. Took 9 months before we moved in. Used sub for electric, plumbing, drywall and heating. Follow your dream it is worth it all.

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wow, that is an inspiring story! Thanks for joining us and for sharing 😊

  • @eddieandjulieklysz458
    @eddieandjulieklysz458 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    You're doing a great job on the house guys. You made the best move of your family out of town and started growing your food. It is the best life for the children.❤

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Thanks for joining us 😊 we sure do agree with you there!

  • @billelsener6192
    @billelsener6192 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I check every day to make sure I don’t miss a video. I love watching the family working together to build their family future together.
    I pray for y’all often that things will work out with the county regs.
    Bill

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hi Bill, we appreciate your support ❤️ thanks for joining us!

  • @RickMatheny-yi4pg
    @RickMatheny-yi4pg 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The children are happy to get into this, they are just being children. Love the way the oldest guy helps. Believe me he will remember this his entire life. Your home is really great and coming along nicely. Keep plenty of fluids going in. God bless your family.

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks Rick! Involving the kids and making this a positive experience for the whole family is very important to us. God bless you too 🙏

  • @j.markkrzystofiak9907
    @j.markkrzystofiak9907 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    From inside the industry, I'd say Warped/twisted/bowed is the usual. A straight 2x is the outlier. Even if you pick them out one by one at the yard, they're gonna do what they want to do once out in the field. The really bad ones get chopped for blocking. Best you can do is put all the crowns on the same side so it's easier to straighten and pack out the walls once the roof is on and it's all dried out. If you need a really flat wall, you have to use the LSL Timberstrand studs, but those are $$$ and special order. BTW, I see the nail gun seems to be performing better in that regular SPF lumber!

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the feedback! We ordered through a local hardware store. The first load came straight from their vendor. This warped batch, I found out later, came from their inventory which had been on the yard for about a year...
      Yes, the Dewalt nailer has done much better with the spruce than the SYP floor joists

  • @phuongvo3051
    @phuongvo3051 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It’s so nice to see your son helping you build their family home , teach them as much as you can , even small nail , they ‘d appreciate later on . And it too cute to see your little boy carrying the chicken , half of his height, like an adult carrying an ostrich , he s adorable boy , 😂 I’m enjoying to watch your channel .

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for joining us! Yes, he is a riot 😆

  • @paulmonk7820
    @paulmonk7820 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When raising those split walls, just fasten something across the split to hold it together until you get it in position. 5:24

  • @russellwatkins4261
    @russellwatkins4261 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I would take advantage of the good weather and keep working while it is nice out. I know it is hard but the quicker you get dried in the better off you will be.

  • @donnawrobel3716
    @donnawrobel3716 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I enjoy your videos. I love watching you and husband working together.

  • @flowerstone
    @flowerstone 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    To tie a wall on just use 3 studs nailed together like a channel. Back of channel is what you nail wall to. Gives you a nailer on both sides of the wall and takes less time to build. 😊

  • @walknburp6
    @walknburp6 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Looks like it's coming along nicely. Fun to watch and get a visual. Ours will be similar in size and shape. We should hopefully begin our off grid build home this summer. Have everything but the house. Off grid is hard work. It's just a more purposeful way of living. Congrats

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for joining us and we wish you the best with your own house build 😊

  • @johnmayer4747
    @johnmayer4747 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Finally got around to seeing your video and got to say, you are doing very well. Suggestions, when you have a split in the middle of the wall studs, try a small piece of wood screwed into it so you can not struggle to lift it. You can always remove it later if needed. Another thing, use a board stretcher to make the boards longer if needed. Our local hardware store had a few on sale when I was building our house and got one. They are a life saver in the laughter department...... When your boards are warped, depending on how warped they are a couple of claps on both top and sides should work till you nail them in.

  • @JamesCouch777
    @JamesCouch777 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You had mentioned that you might have to get a trailer house to live in until you could move into the house. I'm guessing you are trying to get into your house before the deadline? You are making great progress 👍

  • @MrWaldorfian
    @MrWaldorfian 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wood is a natural product and takes on moisture and will warp no matter how straight it was when you bought it. Its the nature of the product.

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, but we are talking about wood that came warped from the store. .

  • @coltwood5125
    @coltwood5125 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great progress...call in the family and friends and neighbors to get the roof done...it will be fall before you know it..👍👍

  • @paulharbron5235
    @paulharbron5235 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey guys, thanks as always for sharing. Great to see the progress continuing. It'll be done in no time (not really, but wanted to try and make you feel better 🤣 ) It will be worth all of the hard work! Stay safe all!

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hey Paul, thanks for joining us and for the encouragement 😀

  • @torysradling9991
    @torysradling9991 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Not sure what your AHJ will say, but IBC says your top plates should meet on a stud. Especially on load bearing walls. Even with a double top plate, you need a stud under where two plates meet. Otherwise you have a weak point where sagging can happen. You might want to look into that before inspection. Otherwise, starting to look like a house. Good job.

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Good question, but here I don't think it matters for double top plates.

  • @rondove9473
    @rondove9473 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Your explanations are great and your cover music is perfect and not too loud to enjoy as it does not block out your commentary y'all welcome from 🤠🤠🤠 Blue ridge TN

  • @paulmonk7820
    @paulmonk7820 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Crown side up makes no difference here. That's for joists and other pieces that support floors and roofs. 1:38 😊

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well, that wall happens to be a load bearing wall for the ceiling joists 😉

    • @paulmonk7820
      @paulmonk7820 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DIYorDIE_Off-Grid But you're laying it flat on the wide side, not standing it up on the narrow side, where any crown would be. 🤔

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There is a crown to the flat side as well of it is bowed

  • @dhgifts
    @dhgifts 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your double plate is supposed to overlap all adjoing walls to interlock them.

  • @shielaforeman7143
    @shielaforeman7143 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Enjoy seeing you include the wife and kids helping. I think it’s important to do so.

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for joining us 😊 we wouldn't be able to do this without each other!

  • @AdamDeLayDIY
    @AdamDeLayDIY 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great job! Looks like the interior walls are almost all up. Enjoy that pool!

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks, Adam! Once we are done with the bedroom wing, then we will begin framing the living room, kitchen, and dining room. 10' ceilings in the living spaces will be a bit more challenging.

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@DIYorDIE_Off-Grid Looking forward to following along!

  • @kevink2831
    @kevink2831 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi both of you, as always its good to see you both and your family. Looks like you are moving along quite fast now, no need to tell you keep going, seems like you only have one speed and thats overdrive, you will be dried in soon.. Look forward to seeing you all again soon, take care and I hope the whole family enjoys the pool.. Best wishes...Kevin..

  • @flowerstone
    @flowerstone 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Don’t forget to put a cripple under each end of your window sills. 😊

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😄 you know, if you keep reminding me enough I might just go back and do that just for you haha

  • @JonOffgrid
    @JonOffgrid 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ,😎👍💯 I remember wen I started on raw land in 2000 still not done

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hahaha, I'm sure that will be us even after the house is done 😆

  • @vickybentley3949
    @vickybentley3949 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love your channel, the build is coming along fine, youre going to have a beautiful home xxx

  • @louis220558
    @louis220558 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The rooms walls look so good from the drone fantastic job

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks! It is cool to see it from different angles

  • @mikeduda3173
    @mikeduda3173 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Starting to look like a house. Hard work paying off

  • @hughroney6342
    @hughroney6342 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Par for the course!! If videos are in real time please say so, then we can give you help

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They are pretty close to real time, but there is a little delay for editing

  • @waderue
    @waderue 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I do have a wife but I do all the cooking because she loves that and She doesn't mind, because I am a great cook but she does do the dishes with the dishwasher lol but also whenever I take her out to dinner she gets sides and one day asked why and she said to me baby I love you cooking more than any place we could eat out at and that why i love so much

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Glad to hear y'all are doing well 😊

  • @donaldfoltz4649
    @donaldfoltz4649 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Making good headway, looking very good !

  • @lchimenz
    @lchimenz 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love to see you guys doing this. I think it is awesome to be able to build your own home. I hope to in the not too distant future.

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for joining us and we wish you the very best in pursuing your own house build 😊

  • @nigelnorcliffe
    @nigelnorcliffe 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Really taking shape now guys, great teamwork :)

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks, it is very exciting 😀

  • @Barefoot.and.wild7115
    @Barefoot.and.wild7115 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I also would like to find out more what you guys decided with the county.

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      We are trying to find a way (and time) to share some behind the scenes details with people who are interested in our build, understanding of what we are doing.

    • @Barefoot.and.wild7115
      @Barefoot.and.wild7115 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DIYorDIE_Off-Grid and your homesteading! We have ducks and chickens and soon goats maybe this year or next. We’re also trying to turn the place we are living right now a farmhouse, Homestead.
      Basically you guys are living our dream. Would love to hear how all this bread to become a reality.

  • @waderue
    @waderue 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ya it happens a lot when buying wood from a big box stores and places like that it is just what it is and seen a lot of TH-camrs have the same issue and you just have deal with it sorry its that way but it is

  • @rossbrown1748
    @rossbrown1748 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Your house is really taking shape, love to watch you do it

  • @eduardfrazao3506
    @eduardfrazao3506 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That boy is going to be a great worker

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Can't get them to stop working 😆

  • @roberthughes2665
    @roberthughes2665 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Warped lumber is somewhat par for the course. However...I'm guessing the lumber company put that bundle together for you. They just grab what's on top. Builders usually order excess and return the crap or use it for cut pieces. Pick your own and you won't have so much of an issue but just being in the sun will have some twisting. Lumber just isn't the quality it was 25 years ago

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I've heard that about the lesser lumber quality. All new rapid growth, not the same as the old growth, which was much more dense! I think this batch was particularly bad since we got it from the hardware store inventory instead of directly from the supplier. We did our best to straighten everything and threw aside the worst pieces.

  • @Barefoot.and.wild7115
    @Barefoot.and.wild7115 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It’s getting together so nicely! Love watching the build come together.

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for joining us 😊

    • @Barefoot.and.wild7115
      @Barefoot.and.wild7115 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DIYorDIE_Off-Grid I came from your instagram! About a month ago. Talked about how my husband and I want to build our own home as well.

  • @waderue
    @waderue 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I really like what you guys are doing and the house is looking pretty good just hang in and keep going

  • @DavisFamilyLife
    @DavisFamilyLife 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good job guys I love it

  • @flowerstone
    @flowerstone 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It’s still spring. 😊

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It feels like summer already down here lol

  • @avalonhomestead9077
    @avalonhomestead9077 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great to watch your dreams coming together.

  • @gerryneckebroeck
    @gerryneckebroeck 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love the shopping suit ;-)

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Just because we live off-grid doesn't mean we can't keep it classy 😆

  • @stephenkennedy7931
    @stephenkennedy7931 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Warped would is par for the course.God Bless from your Canadian Friend.

  • @jabyrd30
    @jabyrd30 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Awesome to see walls up

  • @jefftaylor8791
    @jefftaylor8791 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I've been watching you from the UK for some time and have a concern that the trees are way to close to the building come the really hot wheather and fire session.
    .

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi Jeff, thanks for joining us and for your concern!

  • @karenriggle5435
    @karenriggle5435 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Par for the course

  • @roberthughes2665
    @roberthughes2665 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How are you connecting the top plates of the partition walls into the main run walls? Maybe not necessary but just my old. 😂. Maybe a mending plate on top?

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, most of them I'm splicing together at the top as we go. There are a few that I'll add a plate to since I put the double top plate on before we raised the partitions. Good attention to detail 😉

  • @karenriggle5435
    @karenriggle5435 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looking good

  • @jesseandrade8752
    @jesseandrade8752 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It’s looking good

  • @Vinny-i8o
    @Vinny-i8o 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well done keep it up 👍

  • @danmcdonagh8924
    @danmcdonagh8924 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Your not always going to find straight lumber . It is no t manufactured like metal. Very easy to straighten it .Flush up one end fasten it then keep straightening nailing it. It will not move again once fastened. Framers do through those pieces away.😅

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hey there, thanks for joining us and for the feedback 😀 the first load we got was great, this batch we got from the hardware store inventory and pretty sure it had been sitting there for a year...

  • @shielaforeman7143
    @shielaforeman7143 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wish I could help financially but can’t. However very interested in hearing about your dealings with the government agencies.

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi there, thanks for joining us 😊 we appreciate the feedback! I'm sure we will mention things from time to time, but we are going to try and keep our main videos focused on building. The membership idea is a way for us to share more behind the scenes details while keeping the haters out of our comment section.

  • @tommy..980
    @tommy..980 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    HI Lilly you look beautiful as always… Question are you of the Amish community??? Thanks for another great video 😊

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, she isn't! Thanks for stopping by!

  • @saretejoseph
    @saretejoseph 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good job How many square foot of your house I want to build one just like that

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi there and thanks for joining us 😊 our house will be 28ft wide by 54 ft long, just over 1500 sgft

  • @cliftonwilder
    @cliftonwilder 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I appreciate the fact that you do your research, stick to proven building techniques. adhere to safety and building codes. I have watch way too many homesteaders sell everything, move to the country and then start building with the feeling that rules and regulations don't apply to them. Then they start throwing a tantrum when they get caught, or, continue on until things fall apart. It gets worse when the commenters side with them and praise them for "sticking to the man" (i.e. code enforcement, inspectors, permitting agencies, etc). As a commercial contractor I don't get to cut corners or "do my own thing" regardless of immediate or long term consequences.

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you for joining us Clifton, and for taking time to share your comment 😊 we are first time builders but we are doing everything we can to get things done the right way the first time, and obviously learning from our mistakes as we go!

    • @cliftonwilder
      @cliftonwilder 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DIYorDIE_Off-Grid Thank you for your reply. I like the fact that you have your kids helping out and learning how to do things. Even though I am a licensed electrical and security contractor, I have tons of construction projects on my property that involve a lot of what you are doing. Luckily my wife's son in law is a heavy equipment operator.

  • @harveyross7259
    @harveyross7259 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Do you over lap your top plate to connect to walls ?

  • @alliewolf71
    @alliewolf71 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ❤😊❤😊❤😊

  • @mannymota3442
    @mannymota3442 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I would be interested in channel membership

  • @hoangthidinh96
    @hoangthidinh96 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Xin Chào

  • @connyscheringa6106
    @connyscheringa6106 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ✌💗💗🤗

  • @henryheinrich6581
    @henryheinrich6581 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    😇👍👍👍👍👍🙏

  • @joeclark9042
    @joeclark9042 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well bro what I can tell is you got a bad batch of wood the best thing to do is sight all your wood before you pick it up look at it all

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks Joe, that is what we figured...we straightened all the pieces we could and tossed aside the really bad ones for cut pieces or supports.

    • @joeclark9042
      @joeclark9042 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DIYorDIE_Off-Gridp cool cool I know you would bro you do a good job

    • @joeclark9042
      @joeclark9042 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DIYorDIE_Off-Grid sweet i knew you would

  • @AlejandroMunoz-pc8cc
    @AlejandroMunoz-pc8cc 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    En Todo Caso, Yo, No Construiría Una Casa, En Medio de Un Bosque, Una Chispita y queda La Cagada nomás compadre Vidal CTM Jajajajaja 😹😜 Cuidate Tú, Eres Mi Amorcito 😋😸 chao.

  • @uhhwhat9852
    @uhhwhat9852 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    add sound dampening between the rooms Lol you'll thank me later

  • @paulmonk7820
    @paulmonk7820 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    OCD means "NO FUN FOR ME" !🤔

  • @mortenmyhrmoen7592
    @mortenmyhrmoen7592 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🇳🇴👍👍

  • @JoseMartinez-lc6wv
    @JoseMartinez-lc6wv 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    let the cat come out more

  • @markmacduff4630
    @markmacduff4630 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Get going on with the building, get help

    • @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid
      @DIYorDIE_Off-Grid  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The goal is to build it without getting help 😉