I remember noticing, as a child (long before I'd heard of comb filters) that saying "sssshhh" while walking towards a wall produced an interesting sound like a passing jet plane. It occurred to me at the time, that I could use this to find the walls if I were ever in a room without any light. I used to practise by walking towards walls while making noise with my mouth... it was surprising to me at the time, how easy it was to stop right next to the wall before hitting it.
The professionalism and quality of his content tells me he is a subject matter expert. His youth, facial structure, and skin tone tells me I can purchase mushrooms off of him.
😂😂 let's listen to Pink Floyds dark side of the Moon in 8D😂😂 some songs are actually built into the floor the surrounds are play surround the room at different levels😅
OMG finally someone who knows what he is talking about. THANK you for making this most excellent and perfectly produced video. For years I have been fighting this rediculous idea of building center channel speakers with an array of drives positioned along a horizontal line under the TV. Everyone in the room other than the one person who gets to sit in the dead center will be experiencing comb filtering of the center channel material and that of course is mostly the human voice. Adding any type of distortion to the human voice is never a good thing. When I built my center channel speaker I susptended it vertically directly above the center of the TV aimed slightly down so it’s on axis with the average head height of the audience. This all but eliminates comb filtering. PLEASE do a video on this topic. You could really do it justice and perhaps enlighten the minds of people who think you just buy the speaker and place it under the TV. Thank you again for your great work.
Why not put one (or two) driver(s) above and one (or two) driver(s) below the screen? If drivers are not equidistant from heads, delay according to the average angle difference? Should create a phantom center right from the screen. If projection screens are made from cloth or perforated, they put speakers behind 'em.
I am a high school student who just got my first paid gig for sound since people knew me for working with it for our live musicals/plays. Your videos have been wildly helpful for me since there is no one available to further train me on our sound system. Thank you so much!
The accuracy of explanation in this video is just absurd. Excelent repetition of information, examples and overall quality. Thank you so much. Comb filtering occurs everywhere, it's so important to understand it. But it it also important not to be driven mad by it. This video covers it all.
Outstanding!!! This explains why the noise coming from a flying drone - recorded with a microphone on a tripod - sounds (and looks) much different than when it's recorded with a ground-plane microphone. Comb-filtering shows up because of the reflections coming off the ground, and using ground-plane microphones eliminates these reflections. It's very illuminating to see how the comb-filter changes with respect to the time delay! Such a remarkable demonstration. Thank you!!!
Excellent subject, excellent explanations ! Just a small note : At 10:21 the delay is O.5 ms, not 5 ms. Otherwise the first cancellation would be at 100 Hz, not 1 KHz. The cancellation happens at half the period, which is 0.5 ms for a 1KHz signal having a 1 ms period. And at 13:12 the graph shows clearly a 0.0005 sec delay, which is 0.5 ms, not 5 ms.
First video I've seen on this channel and the first video I've seen explaining the illusive Comb Filter. You good Sir just earned yourself a subscriber. Thank you.
YES okay this just helped me solve the weird phase sounds I get from my high schools lectern that uses dual mics when someone moves closer to one or another. THANK YOU
best explanation on youtube, thank you! one thing i wouldve liked to hear more about though is the pattern of frequencies that get notched/cancelled by comb filtering at the end of the video and specifically why that is the way it is
Great suggestion. It also doesn’t help that I misspoke when saying the amount of time shift. Here is a calculator that you might experiment with: www.mh-audio.nl/Acoustics/FFR.html
@@AudioUniversity Thanks so much! That site is a super helpful practical tool for figuring out how comb filtering might be affecting my actual recording situations! Still trying to understand the actual pattern and all a bit more as far as how it mathematically unfolds (something to do with the harmonic series from what Im reading), but your video and that website are a huge help along the way! 🤜🤛
The verbal economy of these lectures is a paradigm. He concentrates exclusively on the subject matter and has banished autobiographical and self-indulgent topics, both of which are a great temptation in a medium that has no material supply cost. In comparison, there is another TH-cam channel, home stereo related, always with promising titles but whose contents are full of the word "I" and whose presentation and content is not distant from this-- search, "grandpa simpson onion on my belt."
Intelligent delivery with no dumbing down. I never fail to learn something. We all get that back of our mind doubt about a problem we don't know is a problem yet. Nice to spend a evening here and stumble into that Eureka Moment.
Underrated channel..... So much useful content explained in a precise and proper way.. I am preparing for an exam and these are so useful... thanks man... cheers :)
This is literally why in my synthesizing process I tune my delay to about 000.5 secs, just to get that resonance from the comb filter. Thank you for explaining why.
Really cool video, excellent examples. I think that would be intetesting to make a video about Linear Phase EQ. Maybe talking about how EQ affects the phase of the input signal, or why it is important to use linear phase when equalizing.
10:10 volume down for that section… thanks for this refresher… i was eager for the 3:1 rule part 7:04 … hehe and thanks foe the guide. always useful, and really dl’d for support
Thank you, now I understand the other side of Comb filtering. I use Comb filters on purpose for synthesis, like for physical modeling. This video taught me everything else I didn't know about Comb Filtering. much appreciated ...subscribed.
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Thanks for this explanation. Very useful info for those getting into audio recording. There's actually a lotta math--and history--behind this phenomenon... Christiaan Huygens, inventor of the grandfather clock, observed the (comb filtering) audio effect we now know as 'flanging' in 1693... Talk about 'back in the day'... That's even older than the Beatles, whose producer, George Martin, used tape-reel flanging!
What a very interesting and informative series on the various aspects of sound reproduction. Much of it I had known years ago but age tends to restrict memory! Very well presented!
Excellent channel with pertinent data on the subject of sound engineering. Keep up the good work, your information is so relevant and important to managing sound.
5 second delay causing the same pattern of comb filtering in the sweep and white noise (i.e. 1Khz) is crazy. I'm gonna need a lot more absorption panels in my home studio. Thanks!
Fascinating. I set my stereo speaker up in a way that I can adjust the distance to the listener between the bass and full range drivers. But I adjust it by ear to attempt to dial in best sound. Seems a better approach to speaker placement would be to play white noise and look at the waveform from a mic at the listening position. Aligning the drivers and placing absorption at the first reflection point must observable in the display.
Good speak! This is why when making recommendations on installed systems, my first option is a single speaker array that is dead centre. It shows in the acoustic simulation software. All too often center placement is not a feasible solution and so, we compromise by spreading the speakers to the left and right.
An absolutely great educational video, its clarity and simplicity are among the best in the entire TH-cam. Many thanks and bravo! A couple of questions: Comb filtering effect happens naturally, it is caused by a phase shift between two copies of the same signal. How will the frequency comb look like with three or more copies at different delay times? And are there any comb filters built to process signal and when are they used? Thank you!
Multiple comb filters occur in every room. It yields a bunch of combs on top of each other. To see a graph, look at an acoustic measurement of a room. Comb filtering is used in many many ways. One example in audio is flanger. However, as a few others have stated in the comments, comb filtering is also a tool in programming and computing!
My other hobby is Amateur (Ham) Radio. In radio communications, many transceivers have been touted as having comb filters as if this is a good thing, a feature, and found only on high end radios. Now I will have to go figure out how or what exactly they are using com filtering for and why it is a benefit.
hi im a amateur radio operator and i use xlr cables on my microphones and mixers and when i changed a lead on my mixer and was getting rfi in my cables when i transmitting, thats why i allways use ballanced leads.
This is great stuff. Thanks for you hard work. Although outside the scope of this video I would love to hear an explanation for the comb filtering that happens at outdoor venue when, the wind blows, the temperature changes and as day changes to night.
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My omnidirectional OHM G original style single Walsh driver speakers are very sensitive to this effect and need to be nearly 2 feet from the wall with drapery deadening to present a clear and accurate "sound stage" for the listener. The room and speaker placement (in 3 dimensions) of regular front fire speakers are less critical but still in play to accurately receive the intended sound that comes from the source media without room induced distortion.
I work in electronics a d what you are describing is a comb filter EFFECT, not a comb FILTER. A comb filter is used in signal processing to introduce destructive or constructive signal at the output by applying a delayed version of the original signal. So a filter is an actual variable delay line sometimes used in analog video processing foe time base correction. What you describe is the comb effect that can be caused naturally as u described or by introduction of a delay as you did by shifting the audio signal also called phase shifting. Phase shifting can amplify or cancel out a signal such as in noise canceling headphones There it hears ambient sound with a microphone, phase shift it 180° and insert that sound into the audio stream. Thus cancelling the ambient sound signal. :)
Thanks a lot for that amazing video!!!! Very interesting that explanation mixing white noise and the sweep. And the examples moving the reflector or the mic movement, really useful. Congrats!!! But I think that there is a mistake in the delay value, because is 0,5ms, not 5ms. If you put 5ms, the first cancellation appears at 100Hz. 5ms is the 200Hz period, not 2kHz.
Very straightforward thank you . My question is if there is a delay can one simply drag the track back into place? Iv heard people say yes and others say this can cause more problems. I’m not really sure what the answer is to that. I would think it’s fine but I’m not sure why someone would say it can be a bad idea . It seems recording a drum set would be impossible tho with all the mics and no 3 to 1 ratio being implemented
Good question, @Hey There! You’re right with the drum kit - you can only align the sound of one component of the kit in each mic because a shift here will cause a shift there, and so on. If the issue is a single instrument is delayed, such as the guitar amp example in this video, shifting the track could help. Just remember that there’s no guarantee that the indirect sound from reflections will be aligned on each track. If there is an acoustic comb filter, there isn’t much that can be done, unfortunately.
My listening environment is so bad I wonder if some aspects help me both the natural "First reflection points" are dead zones(out the dore one side and behind a raised fish tank the other. My speakers are 6' apart but that is already starting to shroud them. I am about 11' foot away on the perpendicular of the line between them, although I wish I could bring the sweet spot nearer me I fear I may never learn how to if it is even posible. I am comforted to see that the comb effects happen increasingly often as the tones get too high to hear. very interesting videos. All the best. Note I normally complain I can't hear sound differences on you tube "Sound tests" but yours illustrated your points brilliantly.
Could you please explain why it is better to use a cardioid microphone instead of a shotgun microphone for indoor recordings? However, in practice, shotguns such as the Sennheiser MKH 416 are always used for interviews and film recordings. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get a clear answer to this question from anyone. Furthermore, it would be very interesting to have a detailed understanding of how the interference tube on a shotgun microphone works.
Great video. It's great to be able to see (and hear!) some examples in action. I'm wondering: In a technical book about acoustics I've read that the frequency of the first notch in the comb filter would occur where the period is twice the delay time, i.e. freq = 1/(2t), where t is the delay in seconds. In your example, for t = 5 msec, this expression would return freq = 100 Hz, but as you say in your video, your graph shows the first notch at about 1 kHz. Am I missing something?
3 to 1 is for full cycle full phase !is to combats the combfiltering .😅 If you remember this pls remember about separation filters between grups of sympfonic instruments!! The play same notations usually on near registers and could naturally occur the comb effect also on recordings !!!!😅
You can also get comb filtering from thunder, jet flybys etc. from reflections off of the ground / surroundings, but in those cases it actually sounds good!
Not to take anything away from your very professional and useful presentation, but I was also hoping to hear all about phase shifters, flangers, and comb filters used in synthesizers.
For digital signals it's understandable but can you please explain how this comb filtering effect is perceived physically? Can physical sound waves also have interference? In a theatre does everyone perceive the sound differently?
Great explanation!!! I mix at the church in my village the dimensions are 12ft high 35ft wide and 57ft long; concrete structure. I have two tops and subs placed on either side of the stage at the front, 25 ft apart. I’m getting a lot of comb filtering in the bass frequencies. In the middle has all the bass energy off to the sides no bass. Can you give me any advice to try and fix it?
Kyle: "Let me teach you how to avoid comb filtering." Me: "Let me add a comb filter to my synthesizer patch and be in awe." Great video Sir, insta-subbed.
Panning might help when played in stereo, but the comb filter will still be present acoustically. Plus, it will be present electronically if summed to mono. You can also try a phase aligning plug-in or manually align the waveforms inside the DAW. I think the best option is to fix it upfront, but of course that’s not always an option. Thanks for the great question, @K I N G D O M!
Great video thanks for posting it I just wanted to clarify the relationship between the delay time and the lowest cancelled frequency as you may have made a slip of the tongue. In your demonstrations (the first of which is at 9:15) you say that you’ve delayed the 2 sounds by 5 ms and that results in the lowest cancellation being at 1000Hz. I think you’ve actually delayed the 2 signals by 0.5 ms (the time display shows 0.0005 seconds so that’s 0.5 ms) , in which case the lowest cancellation would be 1000Hz as you say. However, a 5ms delay between two identical signals causes cancellations at 100Hz and all odd harmonics of 100Hz. This is because 5 ms equates to half the period of 100Hz and therefore a time shift of 5ms is equivalent to a phase shift of 180 degrees.
@@AudioUniversity A great video, but this error would have left me confused had I not come to read the comments! So my question with comb filtering involves hearing aids. One company has claimed their low latency of 0.5 ms fixes this problem of comb filtering caused by interference of world sound directly hitting the ear drum and the delayed signal through the hearing aid, but it looks like they've only kicked the problem up to higher frequencies that may not be an issue for many people but not for a musician. I notice it in my hearing aids with open ear tips as certain frequencies sound way off. Like the open G on my bass compared to the harmonic octave which will will sound like G#. With closed domes lowering the outside sound this seems to clear this up. I believe my hearing aids have a latency around 5 ms -> lowest cancellation at 100 Hz. Do you think this is indeed comb filtering I'm experiencing?
I've been trying to figure out what this effect used in music is called for a long time. I called it "phasing" but never could get a sound engineer and a good example of it in a room together to get the proper name. Exoskeletal junction at the railroad delayed.
@@AudioUniversity I loved your analysis Kyle when comparing two identical signals that are out of phase with each other. So the dead spots where particular frequencies cancel each other out are mathematically predictable and you describe how to mitigate the effect. With vocal doubling the two signals are similar but with unpredictable differences. I know that vocal doubling is heralded as a way to enhance a vocal but it's clear from your analysis that the interaction can degrade the quality of the sound too. So I just wondered if there are ways to identify that and to mitigate against the effect. I'm totally naïve here but I could imagine cutting the second vocal track into suitable fragments and shifting each fragment back and forward in time w.r.t. the first vocal, listening for a sweet spot. That would take a lot of effort and it's a bit of a sledgehammer approach. Please educate me :-)
I remember noticing, as a child (long before I'd heard of comb filters) that saying "sssshhh" while walking towards a wall produced an interesting sound like a passing jet plane. It occurred to me at the time, that I could use this to find the walls if I were ever in a room without any light. I used to practise by walking towards walls while making noise with my mouth... it was surprising to me at the time, how easy it was to stop right next to the wall before hitting it.
In fact this is the strategy for blind people to recognize obstacles, especially with clicking tongue sounds.
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😂😂 let's listen to Pink Floyds dark side of the Moon in 8D😂😂 some songs are actually built into the floor the surrounds are play surround the room at different levels😅
OMG finally someone who knows what he is talking about. THANK you for making this most excellent and perfectly produced video. For years I have been fighting this rediculous idea of building center channel speakers with an array of drives positioned along a horizontal line under the TV. Everyone in the room other than the one person who gets to sit in the dead center will be experiencing comb filtering of the center channel material and that of course is mostly the human voice. Adding any type of distortion to the human voice is never a good thing. When I built my center channel speaker I susptended it vertically directly above the center of the TV aimed slightly down so it’s on axis with the average head height of the audience. This all but eliminates comb filtering. PLEASE do a video on this topic. You could really do it justice and perhaps enlighten the minds of people who think you just buy the speaker and place it under the TV. Thank you again for your great work.
Good idea, E! A video on horizontal vs vertical driver orientation is a great suggestion. Thanks!
Why not put one (or two) driver(s) above and one (or two) driver(s) below the screen? If drivers are not equidistant from heads, delay according to the average angle difference? Should create a phantom center right from the screen.
If projection screens are made from cloth or perforated, they put speakers behind 'em.
I don't work with audio at all, but the way this guy talks and illustrates is phenomenal, I'm interested
I am a high school student who just got my first paid gig for sound since people knew me for working with it for our live musicals/plays. Your videos have been wildly helpful for me since there is no one available to further train me on our sound system. Thank you so much!
Glad to read this! I hope the gig went well!
This is an outstanding explanation.
Thank you, Texas Blues Alley! I'm glad you enjoyed it. Also, thanks for the shout out on FB. It means a lot to me!
The accuracy of explanation in this video is just absurd. Excelent repetition of information, examples and overall quality. Thank you so much. Comb filtering occurs everywhere, it's so important to understand it. But it it also important not to be driven mad by it. This video covers it all.
Thank you!
i came here in search for a eurorack comb filter lol. now i have learned something about comb filters. i‘ll take it.
Wow, I began as a free-spirited musician...now I'm turning into a neurotic audiophile.
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Outstanding!!! This explains why the noise coming from a flying drone - recorded with a microphone on a tripod - sounds (and looks) much different than when it's recorded with a ground-plane microphone. Comb-filtering shows up because of the reflections coming off the ground, and using ground-plane microphones eliminates these reflections.
It's very illuminating to see how the comb-filter changes with respect to the time delay! Such a remarkable demonstration. Thank you!!!
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Excellent subject, excellent explanations ! Just a small note : At 10:21 the delay is O.5 ms, not 5 ms. Otherwise the first cancellation would be at 100 Hz, not 1 KHz. The cancellation happens at half the period, which is 0.5 ms for a 1KHz signal having a 1 ms period. And at 13:12 the graph shows clearly a 0.0005 sec delay, which is 0.5 ms, not 5 ms.
I was looking for this comment, because the math wasn't matching up.
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First video I've seen on this channel and the first video I've seen explaining the illusive Comb Filter. You good Sir just earned yourself a subscriber. Thank you.
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Excellent. I hope your viewers appreciate how much work goes into explaining foreign concepts in such a clear and concise manner.
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Very nice. I didn't understand it all, but that's the beauty of being able to watch it again and again until it sticks.
Glad you like it, @THOMMGB. Thanks for watching!
You did an amazing job explaining in this video! Great examples and illustrations too. Thanks for creating such good content.
It’s worth it with comments like these, crawlkid. Thanks for watching!
YES okay this just helped me solve the weird phase sounds I get from my high schools lectern that uses dual mics when someone moves closer to one or another. THANK YOU
best explanation on youtube, thank you! one thing i wouldve liked to hear more about though is the pattern of frequencies that get notched/cancelled by comb filtering at the end of the video and specifically why that is the way it is
Great suggestion. It also doesn’t help that I misspoke when saying the amount of time shift. Here is a calculator that you might experiment with: www.mh-audio.nl/Acoustics/FFR.html
@@AudioUniversity Thanks so much! That site is a super helpful practical tool for figuring out how comb filtering might be affecting my actual recording situations! Still trying to understand the actual pattern and all a bit more as far as how it mathematically unfolds (something to do with the harmonic series from what Im reading), but your video and that website are a huge help along the way! 🤜🤛
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The verbal economy of these lectures is a paradigm. He concentrates exclusively on the subject matter and has banished autobiographical and self-indulgent topics, both of which are a great temptation in a medium that has no material supply cost. In comparison, there is another TH-cam channel, home stereo related, always with promising titles but whose contents are full of the word "I" and whose presentation and content is not distant from this-- search, "grandpa simpson onion on my belt."
Intelligent delivery with no dumbing down. I never fail to learn something. We all get that back of our mind doubt about a problem we don't know is a problem yet. Nice to spend a evening here and stumble into that Eureka Moment.
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Underrated channel..... So much useful content explained in a precise and proper way.. I am preparing for an exam and these are so useful... thanks man... cheers :)
Glad to hear that! Please share with your classmates if you think it would help them!
This is literally why in my synthesizing process I tune my delay to about 000.5 secs, just to get that resonance from the comb filter. Thank you for explaining why.
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Wow! Thanks, Joris!
My teacher makes comb filtering in supercollider and I never understood how it works. Now I do.thanks
Wow! That sounds interesting! Thanks, David. Glad to help!
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Thank you. I have seen videos on comb filtering, but none that explained/demonstrated it so well :)
Thanks!
Really cool video, excellent examples.
I think that would be intetesting to make a video about Linear Phase EQ. Maybe talking about how EQ affects the phase of the input signal, or why it is important to use linear phase when equalizing.
Thanks, Leonardo! That’s a great suggestion.
I second that
I searched for comb filter as I needed to know what it actually does (McombMB) now I know what it actually is, so much great explanations
Loved this video, keep teaching more stuff, so informative. Thanks.
I’m very glad to hear that you’re enjoying these videos. Thanks!
10:10 volume down for that section…
thanks for this refresher… i was eager for the 3:1 rule part 7:04 … hehe
and thanks foe the guide. always useful, and really dl’d for support
Thank you, now I understand the other side of Comb filtering. I use Comb filters on purpose for synthesis, like for physical modeling. This video taught me everything else I didn't know about Comb Filtering. much appreciated ...subscribed.
Glad to hear that, @Audio Artisan! Thanks for watching!
excellent demos!! I never understood what comb filtering was. Great explanations and demonstration!! Thanks!!!!!!
Thanks so much - you are so clear and concise and easy to listen to that it makes understanding easy!
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Thanks for this explanation. Very useful info for those getting into audio recording. There's actually a lotta math--and history--behind this phenomenon... Christiaan Huygens, inventor of the grandfather clock, observed the (comb filtering) audio effect we now know as 'flanging' in 1693... Talk about 'back in the day'... That's even older than the Beatles, whose producer, George Martin, used tape-reel flanging!
Wow! That’s amazing! I had no idea the discovery of this phenomenon happened THAT long ago. Thanks for sharing, Carl!
What a very interesting and informative series on the various aspects of sound reproduction. Much of it I had known years ago but age tends to restrict memory! Very well presented!
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Always know the sound but didn't know what caused it and what it is called. Thank you so much, this is such a great video.
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Excellent ! Really clear explanations & practical demonstrations.
Excellent channel with pertinent data on the subject of sound engineering. Keep up the good work, your information is so relevant and important to managing sound.
Thanks, William!
5 second delay causing the same pattern of comb filtering in the sweep and white noise (i.e. 1Khz) is crazy. I'm gonna need a lot more absorption panels in my home studio. Thanks!
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Fascinating. I set my stereo speaker up in a way that I can adjust the distance to the listener between the bass and full range drivers. But I adjust it by ear to attempt to dial in best sound. Seems a better approach to speaker placement would be to play white noise and look at the waveform from a mic at the listening position. Aligning the drivers and placing absorption at the first reflection point must observable in the display.
Good speak! This is why when making recommendations on installed systems, my first option is a single speaker array that is dead centre. It shows in the acoustic simulation software. All too often center placement is not a feasible solution and so, we compromise by spreading the speakers to the left and right.
Have you checked out L’Acoustics L-ISA? I think you’d find it interesting!
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An absolutely great educational video, its clarity and simplicity are among the best in the entire TH-cam. Many thanks and bravo! A couple of questions: Comb filtering effect happens naturally, it is caused by a phase shift between two copies of the same signal. How will the frequency comb look like with three or more copies at different delay times? And are there any comb filters built to process signal and when are they used? Thank you!
Multiple comb filters occur in every room. It yields a bunch of combs on top of each other. To see a graph, look at an acoustic measurement of a room.
Comb filtering is used in many many ways. One example in audio is flanger. However, as a few others have stated in the comments, comb filtering is also a tool in programming and computing!
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To add to my last comment. This channel is absolutely effing amazing!!
My other hobby is Amateur (Ham) Radio. In radio communications, many transceivers have been touted as having comb filters as if this is a good thing, a feature, and found only on high end radios. Now I will have to go figure out how or what exactly they are using com filtering for and why it is a benefit.
This was clear and very helpful. Thank you for posting.
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hi im a amateur radio operator and i use xlr cables on my microphones and mixers and when i changed a lead on my mixer and was getting rfi in my cables when i transmitting, thats why i allways use ballanced leads.
I already know all this, just wanted to say that this is an excellent video on the topic!
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This is great stuff. Thanks for you hard work. Although outside the scope of this video I would love to hear an explanation for the comb filtering that happens at outdoor venue when, the wind blows, the temperature changes and as day changes to night.
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You can also put some fome on your microphone to block reflected sound from walls or speakers.
Wow, what a professional and detailed explanation! Do you have detailed explanations about how choruses, phasers and other effects like this work?
Great suggestion!
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My omnidirectional OHM G original style single Walsh driver speakers are very sensitive to this effect and need to be nearly 2 feet from the wall with drapery deadening to present a clear and accurate "sound stage" for the listener. The room and speaker placement (in 3 dimensions) of regular front fire speakers are less critical but still in play to accurately receive the intended sound that comes from the source media without room induced distortion.
I work in electronics a d what you are describing is a comb filter EFFECT, not a comb FILTER. A comb filter is used in signal processing to introduce destructive or constructive signal at the output by applying a delayed version of the original signal. So a filter is an actual variable delay line sometimes used in analog video processing foe time base correction.
What you describe is the comb effect that can be caused naturally as u described or by introduction of a delay as you did by shifting the audio signal also called phase shifting. Phase shifting can amplify or cancel out a signal such as in noise canceling headphones There it hears ambient sound with a microphone, phase shift it 180° and insert that sound into the audio stream. Thus cancelling the ambient sound signal. :)
Interesting distinction, Roy! Thanks for sharing your perspective on this and the extra info.
@@AudioUniversity your welcome. I only like to post positive comments that are helpful to others
Thanks a lot for that amazing video!!!! Very interesting that explanation mixing white noise and the sweep. And the examples moving the reflector or the mic movement, really useful. Congrats!!!
But I think that there is a mistake in the delay value, because is 0,5ms, not 5ms. If you put 5ms, the first cancellation appears at 100Hz. 5ms is the 200Hz period, not 2kHz.
Very straightforward thank you .
My question is if there is a delay can one simply drag the track back into place?
Iv heard people say yes and others say this can cause more problems. I’m not really sure what the answer is to that. I would think it’s fine but I’m not sure why someone would say it can be a bad idea .
It seems recording a drum set would be impossible tho with all the mics and no 3 to 1 ratio being implemented
Good question, @Hey There! You’re right with the drum kit - you can only align the sound of one component of the kit in each mic because a shift here will cause a shift there, and so on.
If the issue is a single instrument is delayed, such as the guitar amp example in this video, shifting the track could help. Just remember that there’s no guarantee that the indirect sound from reflections will be aligned on each track.
If there is an acoustic comb filter, there isn’t much that can be done, unfortunately.
You're amazing, Kyle.
My listening environment is so bad I wonder if some aspects help me both the natural "First reflection points" are dead zones(out the dore one side and behind a raised fish tank the other.
My speakers are 6' apart but that is already starting to shroud them.
I am about 11' foot away on the perpendicular of the line between them, although I wish I could bring the sweet spot nearer me I fear I may never learn how to if it is even posible.
I am comforted to see that the comb effects happen increasingly often as the tones get too high to hear.
very interesting videos. All the best.
Note I normally complain I can't hear sound differences on you tube "Sound tests" but yours illustrated your points brilliantly.
This is the best explanation video!
Could you please explain why it is better to use a cardioid microphone instead of a shotgun microphone for indoor recordings? However, in practice, shotguns such as the Sennheiser MKH 416 are always used for interviews and film recordings.
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get a clear answer to this question from anyone.
Furthermore, it would be very interesting to have a detailed understanding of how the interference tube on a shotgun microphone works.
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I loved this video it was crazy man great content
Good content and good explanations. Keep up the good work, Bless.
Thanks, Billy! Glad you like the videos!
Great video. It's great to be able to see (and hear!) some examples in action. I'm wondering: In a technical book about acoustics I've read that the frequency of the first notch in the comb filter would occur where the period is twice the delay time, i.e. freq = 1/(2t), where t is the delay in seconds. In your example, for t = 5 msec, this expression would return freq = 100 Hz, but as you say in your video, your graph shows the first notch at about 1 kHz. Am I missing something?
You’re correct! I accidentally misspoke. That was a shift of 0.5 ms.
@@AudioUniversity Thanks for your reply, that clears things up!
3 to 1 is for full cycle full phase !is to combats the combfiltering .😅 If you remember this pls remember about separation filters between grups of sympfonic instruments!! The play same notations usually on near registers and could naturally occur the comb effect also on recordings !!!!😅
You can also get comb filtering from thunder, jet flybys etc. from reflections off of the ground / surroundings, but in those cases it actually sounds good!
Not to take anything away from your very professional and useful presentation, but I was also hoping to hear all about phase shifters, flangers, and comb filters used in synthesizers.
9:44 why the filter is not sweeping, it's just static?
As always - an excellent video -
Thanks, Thomas!
any reason why the subwoofer in the guide is always next to the left speaker?
Love you bro now i'm going to watch ur all videos 😋🤩
Thanks, Sagar! Glad you're enjoying the videos!
This information is never going to be useful to me but I still enjoyed the video 😂
Glad you found it helpful, Jeff!
For digital signals it's understandable but can you please explain how this comb filtering effect is perceived physically? Can physical sound waves also have interference? In a theatre does everyone perceive the sound differently?
Brilliant explanation! Great work!
Brilliantly explained Kyle thank you!
Really amazing explanation!
Great explanation!!! I mix at the church in my village the dimensions are 12ft high 35ft wide and 57ft long; concrete structure. I have two tops and subs placed on either side of the stage at the front, 25 ft apart. I’m getting a lot of comb filtering in the bass frequencies. In the middle has all the bass energy off to the sides no bass. Can you give me any advice to try and fix it?
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Kyle: "Let me teach you how to avoid comb filtering."
Me: "Let me add a comb filter to my synthesizer patch and be in awe."
Great video Sir, insta-subbed.
Thanks, @Rayder Rich!
What an excellent explanation! Thanks man.
Thanks for watching!
Great video and explanation, thank you!!!
5:57 Do you think there are ways to counter this, like hard panning the 2 signals, one left and the other hard right?
Panning might help when played in stereo, but the comb filter will still be present acoustically. Plus, it will be present electronically if summed to mono.
You can also try a phase aligning plug-in or manually align the waveforms inside the DAW.
I think the best option is to fix it upfront, but of course that’s not always an option.
Thanks for the great question, @K I N G D O M!
@@AudioUniversity Thank you for your knowledge! I will consider this :)
Great video thanks for posting it
I just wanted to clarify the relationship between the delay time and the lowest cancelled frequency as you may have made a slip of the tongue.
In your demonstrations (the first of which is at 9:15) you say that you’ve delayed the 2 sounds by 5 ms and that results in the lowest cancellation being at 1000Hz.
I think you’ve actually delayed the 2 signals by 0.5 ms (the time display shows 0.0005 seconds so that’s 0.5 ms) , in which case the lowest cancellation would be 1000Hz as you say.
However, a 5ms delay between two identical signals causes cancellations at 100Hz and all odd harmonics of 100Hz. This is because 5 ms equates to half the period of 100Hz and therefore a time shift of 5ms is equivalent to a phase shift of 180 degrees.
Thanks, George. I didn’t notice that mistake until now. I appreciate you clarifying that.
@@AudioUniversity A great video, but this error would have left me confused had I not come to read the comments! So my question with comb filtering involves hearing aids. One company has claimed their low latency of 0.5 ms fixes this problem of comb filtering caused by interference of world sound directly hitting the ear drum and the delayed signal through the hearing aid, but it looks like they've only kicked the problem up to higher frequencies that may not be an issue for many people but not for a musician. I notice it in my hearing aids with open ear tips as certain frequencies sound way off. Like the open G on my bass compared to the harmonic octave which will will sound like G#. With closed domes lowering the outside sound this seems to clear this up. I believe my hearing aids have a latency around 5 ms -> lowest cancellation at 100 Hz. Do you think this is indeed comb filtering I'm experiencing?
I've been trying to figure out what this effect used in music is called for a long time. I called it "phasing" but never could get a sound engineer and a good example of it in a room together to get the proper name. Exoskeletal junction at the railroad delayed.
I'd be interested to hear your analysis on the practical impact of a recording when doing vocal doubling.
Good idea, Jim! Do you have any particular impacts in mind?
@@AudioUniversity I loved your analysis Kyle when comparing two identical signals that are out of phase with each other. So the dead spots where particular frequencies cancel each other out are mathematically predictable and you describe how to mitigate the effect. With vocal doubling the two signals are similar but with unpredictable differences. I know that vocal doubling is heralded as a way to enhance a vocal but it's clear from your analysis that the interaction can degrade the quality of the sound too. So I just wondered if there are ways to identify that and to mitigate against the effect. I'm totally naïve here but I could imagine cutting the second vocal track into suitable fragments and shifting each fragment back and forward in time w.r.t. the first vocal, listening for a sweet spot. That would take a lot of effort and it's a bit of a sledgehammer approach. Please educate me :-)
You're the best Kyle
Thanks, Akash!