Ben Wallace's Defense on Shaq (Game 1 - 2004 Finals)
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- June 6, 2004 - Despite the best efforts of four-time Defensive Player of the Year Ben Wallace, Shaquille O'Neal was virtually unstoppable in Game 1 of the 2004 NBA Finals, finishing with 34 points on 13-of-16 shooting from the floor. That being said, O'Neal did commit six turnovers in the process. Those missteps, combined with Kobe Bryant's 10-of-27 shooting performance, helped key a 87-75 Game 1 win for the Detroit Pistons.
Elden Campbell's efforts in guarding Shaq in Game 1 can be seen here: • Elden Campbell's Unsun...
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2004 was 20 years ago, 2 decades! 😢 Man, it was a good year, just finished highschool and was living the dream, chasing girls, working and playing video games!
Class of 06 seconds this notion 😢
Class of 05' and I feel ya
Class of 2008 ☝🏽😎
Damn, y’all old
Class of 2010 here. Your comment made me very emotional. Life flew by you know?
Shaq still got 63% FG 10.8 Rpg in the series.
I gotta say that Kobe was the real Shaq defender who was shooting around nonsense with his 38% fg
It’s crazy how they played such a slow pace compared to today
I much prefer this. Cant stand watching guys fling up shots with little thought
I guess you are young bro, the rules to day design in favor to guard position no wonder facing and speed and shooting attempt develop, and numbers creating space is way effective because of rules changing, even a a bigman forcing them to adjust as a guard like, NBA rules main focus is to spread the players away from the faint. Adam silver said it to avoid injuries and hurt anyone.
Its called mid range, defense, post up
Forget the pace. Look at the spacing.
@@prilljazzatlanta5070 lulz yeah this is real high IQ hoops. Bunch of morons crowding the paint firing up 20 foot jumpers. I don't know whats harder to believe: how long it took for people to realize 3 points are more valuable than 2, or that loading up the paint so that 1 defender can guard 2 guys was a bad idea. Props to Brown for outclassing this Lakers squad.
Amazing Shaq was averaging over 30ppg in the Finals in an era when entire teams struggled to crack 90. Shaq was a beast, you either loved or hated/ feared him.
More so his size
@@mxchael9931So he was the only guy that size, right? And all guys that size averaged 30+ in the finals, right? Intelligence is not for everyone
@@melh937 300 lb center um yeah
@@mxchael9931 Rotten scatterbrain
Thankfully, information is free
In the history of the NBA, Shaq is the only player of that size who could move with such power, speed and footwork-enabling him to dominate the paint with a never before seen combination of size, skill, and athleticism
Congratulations, lil bro, you've just proved my initial point
Your brain is useless
@@mxchael9931 oh, and make the list of 300lbs guys who averaged 30+
I'm waiting
That Piston Team Defense was something to talk about. Them dudes locked u up. Made the lakers think twice
I miss the era of lower scoring games just because it made every bucket more meaningful and more intense. I still like the game but those gritty, tough games always had my heart rate up lol
I felt this way watching Olympic basketball this summer. I don't know how the NBA could recapture it without shortening the game, but that would lead to some flukey sh*t
3>2 broke the game
@@krazi3csSSyeah it really did
Honestly, in all my decades of watching sports:
The Pistons over that Lakers team, was the most improbable championship victory I have ever seen in my life. I still can't believe it.
That really surprised everybody. Most of the people believed Shaq will dominate the paint.
@@allenmoon545 yes
Giants over undefeated patriots was way bigger upset imo
@@coldfire39 way bigger
@@coldfire39
I disagree. One game lots of crazy stuff can happen. To beat a team four times…. That had shaq and Kobe? Kobe really messed this series up with his own personal bs.
The Pistons had a tremendous game plan. The Lakers never recovered from the shock of losing game 1.
@@VanyaPopov0lakers didnt make the finals the year prior to this
@@VanyaPopov0
Kobe was isolated out the offense. LA beat themselves big time
That's why they rigged 2018 game 1 for gsw... nobody could recover from losing that. #TRUTH
@@TheBmills415nahh Kobe beat them lol… taking 10 more shots than Shaq is criminal, especially Shaq averaging 30 ppg at a time when they struggled to score 90 as a team… Kobe was a hog in these finals (do your research if you disagree)
@@NickT324__ after shaq traded to miami.. kobe ballhug mamba mentality era starts..
Bruh as a Sixers fan I’ll never forget how unstoppable he was in the 01 finals he made everyone look like a child
same. I became a Sixers fan during that series and got addicted to losing ever since lol
I like how Rick Fox was still standing there chewy gum after the game was over like he couldn't believe it was over 😂
I still remember seeing Fox and Medvedenko, I believe, looking into the crowd seemingly in awe of how loud and rowdy it was.
That was the first and only time I'd been somewhere where it was too loud to hear myself think.
I haven't seen any player at 5 in today's NBA that could impose himself in the paint like what Shaq was doing. Clearly the game has evolved
They started zone defense because of him. Game-changer.
I forgot Giannis don’t exist
@@Dthreat__6 "like what Shaq does". A lot of players has proven they can stop Giannis from the post. AD for an instance. But what Giannis does best is when he plays 3 and especially when he is running in transition he is unstoppable. He's also a force down below but is a different specimen.
@@H00618 Giannis is like speed and size; Zion and Lebron are speed and power. But Shaq was size and power, the best combination for pure paint domination. And he was relatively agile too.
His name is Jokic.. And he could do everything Shaq does plus shoot and assists.
Makes me miss when you could actually see the crowd and the whole arena wasn't dark.
All due RESPECT to Kobe, who is an all time great, but you NEVER hear Kobe fans bring up this game/series. They say that the "Mamba mentality" would overcome anything. Well......Not these Pistons. Not scoring 81 on these guys.
With all due respect Kobe never lost 10 finals
He lost 2 out of 7 attempts
Nice try tho
And he was going a whole team
@@MidwestRaiderTho The whole "amount of lost finals" thing is made up by commentators, to protect their favorite players dynasties(Jordon/Kobe), mainly Skip and Stephen A, then it caught on. Kobe didn't even make the finals, to even win or lose one most of his career, as is true with most players. He won 5 times, which is spectacular, along with the 2nd most dominant center of all time under Wilt. He was in the league 19 years or so and won 5, That means he either lost some finals, or DIDN'T EVEN MAKE THE FINALS, which is a LESSOR achievement than losing one. Most NBA players, who are greats, or even Hall of famers, don't even experience a finals appearance, but definitely not 9.
@@generalbrowser680lol right. Like someone making it to the finals and losing is somehow worse than not making it there at all. FOH.
It’s the MJ mythology. People think MJ just decided to win, all on his own, whenever he wanted, and anyone who can’t decide to win, no matter how good or bad their teammates or the opponents are, just doesn’t measure up.
That Mamba Mentality bs keeps people from having to address how poorly Kobe's game has aged. Though for what it's worth people were calling this out at the time.
@@Alex-tx6by
Yeah. I don't care about all that post mortem, rose tinted glasses bs either. Kobe was great. But he generally shot bad in the Finals (41% career Finals average) and he shot them completely out of this series trying to prove he was better than Shaq.
This was chunky Shaq too. Imagine when he was fit
and gobert says he's gonna wrap him up. yeah right.
so it was true kobe wasn't really passing to shaq 🤣
Kobe didn't pass it to Shaq enough that's very true
Yeah, that’s one of the main reasons they lost that series. Kobe took like 10-12 more shots per game than Shaq during that series (while averaging 22 PPG while shooting 38%). Shaq averaged 28 while taking 10 less shots per game (while shooting over 50% being guarded by Ben Wallace and double teamed the entire series). While they may have still lost (Detroit’s defense was A-1 that year) the series would’ve at least been more competitive if Kobe played team ball. Kobe fell into the trap that Larry Brown set since they were doubling Shaq, he thought he had the green light to take all the shots. It cost them another title. Kobe learned from it in the end.
@@peterose25 On the contrary, one of the sticking points of Detroit's defensive approach that series was their decision *not* to double team Shaquille O'Neal, thus leaving all four other defenders at home and preventing Shaq from becoming a facilitator. The tradeoff from electing not to send a second defender toward O'Neal was that he often feasted against single coverage (27 ppg on 60%+ shooting). However, with no other Laker shooting better than 39 percent that series (min. 10 attempts), it was a trade the Pistons were willing to make.
@@Swove2204 That's true, but typically the answer for defense like that is just keep going back to the well on what works and punish them for going at Shaq 1 on 1.
@@Swove2204The pistons played on the fact that they knew Kobe wanted to win mvp
Detroit stayed home on the shooters and let Shaq slow the game down
Shaq should have got in shape damn it!
Eating beef and pork keeps you out of shape. Kobe hated his diets. He would mention the amounts of burgers and ribs shaq would go thru after practice lol
Shaq was and still is, arrogant as hell, for understandable reasons but I agree. Had he been treating his body like Lebron does or even Kobe in their era...NBA ratings would go waaaaaaay down because they'd never lose a ring until they retired.
@@Only1NonoFalse. It’s eating carbohydrates that keep you fat.
@@Chico_Lachowski shaq ate too much protein tho, which causes you to be bulky and you and I both know shaq didnt lift sober. The league filled with stero’s lol
@@Only1NonoWhat are you talking about? That is nutritious meat. The problem is how much he’s eating and what else his diet consists of. He probably engaged in garbage carbs, alcohol, fast food, etc.
I will forever hate black eyed peas “let’s get it started” was the theme song for these finals
Noooooo i love that song!😅 .. but they did play the HELL out of it that 2004 NBA finals..
At the time though I was loving it!... It was like the song was helping our pissed and be put on the map in some odd way😅.. like rubbing it and everybody's faces that was hatin on us!.. like " BiH, we're HERE!!..WHATT!!.." 💪😤💪
Id rather that that the rap trash of today with no production value at all.
@@exclamationpointman3852 has nothing to do with music it’s cause my lakers lost this year
@@anon2414 I know you are talking about the Lakers; I'm talking
period.
Ptsd 😂
Yeah Detroit baby I remember this like it was yesterday and the one game they won I knew Kobe was about to make the 3 I told my moms and my friend before it happened I was mad like damn they gone give it to Kobe and he gone make it 😂 damn Kobe 😔 RIP 🫡
Next to moses malone big ben is my favorite defensive player of all time ,honorable mentions to alonzo mourning 💯👍
Was that Al Michaels announcing
Ben Wallace was small. He was lucky to be 6”8! That just tells u how much of a monster he was. They put a 6’8 guy on Shaq and won the chip
Worth a try.
From this video either Shaq got fouled, didn't travel, or they called some BS calls. They didn't want Lakers beating Pistons in the 2004 finals. Again the ref's bought out by the NBA to make sure the gamblers lose $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Kobe had that rape case that year the league definitely didn’t want him winning lol
Makes sense
lol the refs really lmao
@Djturnt
If you think that the NBA is fairly associated then you're daft.
Not sure what world you live in but the NBA always favored the Lakers
kobe’s mamba mentality cost them a chip that year, ballhogging, bricking, forcing
We have to take the good with the bad.
R.I.P. to Kobe. But there were some selfish issues there at times.
@@exclamationpointman3852 good thing they had shaq to carry that team
He wanted that mvp finals instead of championships
@@bungeegums hmm...
Sure but it got him game 2
The biggest what if in NBA history is what if Melo was drafted by the Pistons... man, can you imagine the dynasty?
You didn't love Darko?😂
They did not want him. They did not see his fit on the team. No what ifs
Larry brown only wanted players that can defend.. plus he would have been in Rasheed, Richard and Chauncey way.. prince was a better fit
@@JohnKing-jz9zbnonsense. They didn’t draft him because it would have destroyed the Lakers chances of winning multiple chips.
If they got Melo, wouldn’t have gotten sheed
Excellent coaching....
Shaq dominated this game and the Pistons knew they weren’t going to be able to stop Shaq.
So what did the Pistons do instead? Stop everyone else and that is exactly what did they and how they won the game.
Prime Shaq was unreal
People forget that Shaq was a monster
How was 1:30 a travel?
"Ben Wallace is the only one who can stop Shaq"
Shaq averaged 27 points on 63fg% in the Finals against Wallace. He was averaging 20 points on 58fg% in the '04 playoffs before the Finals.
Picture shaq today !😮
Hamilton said MJ teaches him how to shoot in perimeter and Mj said that perimeter is unstoppable and will give you a ring and that's what happened
Shaq got his, they made kone inefficient, I'd say the Lakers have a hard time with Gsw because of the pace. Obviously they got nobody to guard shaq but no one does.
Only Wallaces'cn shuts'shaq&kobe a monster in their prime..mz those 2000era,wrth wtching!!!😱😱😱😱☹️☹️☹️
Kobe wanted his Jordan moment
always did. rip
@@luisd7636these kids hate Kobe we know why on the real
@@Louisianimal-225EBRon the bright side, he passed...
@@upclosenpersonal100 facts kiddo. With God the best place to be 💪🏾
@@Louisianimal-225EBRNot hate, just facts. Kobe shot 22fga per game on 36% shooting whileShaq shot 16fga on 63% shooting. Kobe shot them out of the series trying to prove he was better and not let Shaq be the man.
Okay, now post up 2006 when Shaq was man handling Ben and actually pacing to the basket instead of just forcing it like he was doing year round.
man, i forgot how big Shaq is
What’s the point of this Detroit ended up beating their ass
The difference in the overall general skill levels from then until now is black and white. Love seeing how the game is still evolving.
Devolving
@silwavereznor1516 Maybe defensively, but offense is many levels better.
Shaq is hhhhuuuuuggggeeee..he covers a chunk of your TV screen to this day.
Perhaps this Laker team was the most disappointed team ever assembled
Phil Jackson showed no ability to adjust in this series
"Ben Wallace's Defense on Shaq" what defense? i didn't see any.
IMO Rodman played him better
I agree. At the same time though, it seems like Rodmans assignment was actually gaurding him whereas Wallace was just supposed to stay in front of him or make him work for it
Damn referees called travel violation
shaq will dominate todays nba. no offensive fouls, no travelling, and existence offensive 3 seconds. those 3 things will help shaq scores 50 a game. if mediocre imbiid average 40 today- just imagine what shaq would do.
That’s true he will dominate the offensive of the ball, but in my opinion he will be a liability on defense in today’s game. Especially with the game being so stretched out now there will be times he will have to defend the perimeter which is not his strongest suit.
@@trevordillard4870 Right. The way centers hit 3s now. It would be interesting to watch.
@@trevordillard4870 Not quite
Prime Shaq was more mobile and agile than Embiid
If Embiid can be an interior force in today's game, there's no reason Shaq can't do the same, or better-defense wise
Shaq was also a lot cleverer than people give him credit for
He didn't blow up because he was lazy
It was initially a calculated moved to help him abuse his natural ability
Orlando Shaq would be terrifying in today's game-at least on par, if not better than Antetokoumpo
Ben Wallace was the best defender of his era. Yes, much better than the over rated Garnett who was knowhere near as strong as Ben.
No one can defend prime shaq 1v1
With all the behind the scenes drama Lakers beat themselves not the Pistons.
And if some 🤡 try to bring up Kobe in the top 5 or even top 10 discussion, you're gonna show them this 😅
Lebum we bring up 2011
One of the biggest upsets in NBA history. And i remember watching this screaming at the TV for Kobe to fcking feed Shaq. 😂 That hero ball crap did the Lakers in.
Carmelo Anthony should have been on the pistons this year.
Shaq was amazing. But therre were 2 amazing players on the lakers so forcefully strong that the others really struggled to find their game. They needed to focus and build chemsitry and facilitation. That should have been an easy lakers chip otherwise.
Detroit just got lucky that year that they faced a dysfunctional, broken team, Kobe and Shaq beef and don’t forget Karl malons comments about Kobe‘s wife.
Hakeem far more efficient despite of his build..
Teyshaun Prince should be the one guarding Shaq one on one
This Shaq was so overweight smh. He only avg 22 this season the weakest of his entire career up to that point and still was very good in this finals. The guy from 2000 was long gone though
Shaq was getting 22 ppg, but only because they got Gary Payton and Karl Malone (half of season) that took the offense load of him and Kobe. Seasons prior they had only one guy that scored in double digits, like Derrick Fisher. Shaq was as efficient and dominant as ever. Detroit won this series mostly because they were better on defense as whole team, Malone got injured, and Kobe took to many bad shots instead of passing the ball.
@@Zlagum Gary Payton was a bum that year lol he avg 7-5 and was getting cooked defensively. Malone was 40 years old way past it and only played 40 games plus got hurt in finals they were nothing but role players. Shaq points had dropped every year from 2000. He wasn’t the same player in 2003 either. Shaq was way over weight and once he got that big toe injury he was no longer the same. The shaq by 2004 was good but not half the player he was in 2000.
@@Zlagum no he wasn’t shaq was not the same player in 2000 to 2003 season that’s not even debatable. He dropped every year in dominance because of weight n injuries. Robert Horry who played with Shaq said that 2000 and 2001 Shaq was the best ever even over Hakeem n Duncan. To be honest 2004 Shaq was trash just being honest he was a bum compared to who he was in 2000
@@Zlagum Shaq in 2000 was 1 vote from unanimous MVP, 2nd in DPOY, scoring champ, 2nd in rebounds, 3rd in blocks, all star MVP and FMVP. Avg in regular season 30-14-4-3, playoffs avg 31-16-3-3 and 38-17-3-3 in the finals. Shaq forced the league in 2002 to bring back zone defense and implement Def 3secs all to slow down the big fella. He changed the game! That Shaq was the best ever any other Shaq was a bum
@@Zlagum Shaq during 3 peat from the regular season to playoffs every year avg more points, rebounds, blocks, FG%, higher in MVP voting, won all FMVPs and Shaq playmaking from post was just as good as Kobe. Shaq in all 3 playoffs combined avg 30-15-3-2.5 blks and avg 36-16-4-3 combined in all 3 finals while taking on way more double/triple teams nightly. Shaq was higher in DPOY every year but 2002 because Shaq only started 67 games. In 2002 the league added zone defense as well as def 3 secs and Shaq was at the forefront on why to slow him down. He changed the game! It’s not close Kobe 2nd fiddle
The last time Shaq is good
What defense?😂
why is the game played in slow motion? is it cause people are less skilled?
Because NBA nowadays is a joke if you watch FIBA the nba all stars are forced to play the old school game else theyd lose against Sudan, those logo shots dont work against real defense
Some people rather be stuck in the past and not accept that the game has evolved. 🙄
@@younglove3362 todays era is all about devolution, todays era cant even distinguish a boy from a girl, boys competing on womans sports, todays era is dumands2pid they lack basic fundamentals
How long are you all going to dwell on this championship? The lakers have have 4 appearances and 3 chips since 2004
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Just because He was playing Center doesn’t mean he’s a Center. Ben Wallace was an Incredible Power Forward playing Center. They deserved 1 More Big, like many teams.
Sheed was a power forward
So this was the series that Kobe choked. He was horrible in this series. Then, it was the finals. It was a meltdown 😂😂😂
Ben looks like so little
Imagínate un equipo así jugando lebron james con pivote imponente un base como chence byllus ven Wallace halmiton tres estrellas pudieron derrotar a laker lebrón james tubo mala suerte nunca pudo hacer una disnatia con los cavalier fue a 6 finales y gano uno 2 miami uno con los lakers después que gano ese anillo con los laker le desmantelaron el equipo
IMO, this series was too predictable for Detroit. The play was always through Shaq.
BBQ CHICKEN
Kobe was being a diva and was jealous of shaq he hadn’t grown up yet
It's clear:
The Lakers beat the Lakers the most.
Kobe wasn’t jealous. He just didn’t like Shaq’s work ethic.
@@aye_bruhhe was jealous
@@arizonaFIREentno he wasn’t
If any of these teams went against modern day GSW, they'd get COOKED. This was slow as a muthafka.
Warriors have zero post defense
This finals still hurts but the Pistons had the Lakers figured out. Shaq was overweight, Kobe didn’t pass him the ball, Lakers were too overconfident, Pistons defense helped control the series. But mark my words, If Malone and Payton were in their prime this series would have been very different.
Well theres a reason why payton and malone was on the lakers. They were on the tailend of their careers to ring chase.
If grits taste like cheese it would be a pizza.
If my aunt had stones, she’d be my uncle.
Lebron james didnt make the playoffs
I don't know who's worse bron haters or Bron fans 😂. Dude has NOTHING to do with this video.
And the year after this series kobe missed the playoffs
@@arizonaFIREent And so did Lebron missed the playoffs in 2005 in a very weak eastern conference despite having an all star teammate. 🤣🤣🤣
科比真不传啊
Ben wallace only got strong arms which is useless here. He only weighs 240. For his size thats light meaning he got no legs. Hes all upperbody. Lebron is 260 big legs. Giannis 240 again no legs
That what made Big Ben defend big men like Shaq is to use upperbody
He cant and Ben one of my fav players back then and I dont even like Shaq cause he ls an ahole to other bigs.
But notice muscular guys try to steal the ball when they defend someone stronger than them because theyre not used to getting overpowered. They couldnt build a brickwall so they just take a risky steal😅.
Hack a shaq
In 2020s scored 70+ points in the first half became very normal
I see no defense from Ben Wallace… Kobe was guarding Shaq
shaq would get demolished in today's game. Imagine him having to run out and guard Jokic taking a 3. nope
One of the luckiest team of all time "CHAMBA"
lakers should had won the series, they were not at their best because of their players personal issues,
Yea Kobe Denver case to Malone hitting on Kobe’s wife. Everything was messed up this year
That's on them😅 that's just excuses
@@thewizardofoz511 yeah they lost, but it's not hard to see that the lakers were the better team on paper... they had not played well in that series.. it's not that pistons were unbeatable, they were in the right position ar the right time
Detroit was a lot more athletic than us we were too old man. Kobe was literally our only starter in their athletic prime.
Back then: Higher intensity - less points - more excitement.
These days: Less intensity - more points - less excitement - more room for officials to manipulate the game and more empty stats to make more betting slots.
Back then Tim Donaghy lol you people just come up with anything lol
its crazy how slow the game was back then. alot less talent back then across the board
No. Completely different rules on defense and officiating. Talent not a factor.
@@DaveM86 talent is 100% a factor. theres less scoring all around. less athleticism all around too.
@@Catdaddy836 no. There isn’t. Scoring being down is 100% a matter of rule changes and enforcement. Players didn’t get more athletic in the span of a single generation. Humans don’t change that fast, and international players are largely less athletic white guys. Like Jokic.
@Catdaddy836 so why were the 80s n 90s so athletic, with kemp, nique, Daryl Dawkins, tom Chambers, Clyde, MJ... Your comment seems ignorant of a style you found boring.
@@truebrowncanadian maybe you dont know how to read. but I said across the board. meaning the NBA as a whole. There were less athletes in every team and it shows. I didnt say there were no athletes at all. If you are gonna comment please read first and google every word you don't understand. Thanks
Ben > shaq
Ben Wallace was overrated. Most of his blocks were from weak side.
kd warriors may win this lakers definitely
Fat O’Neal meets his maker.