Ice Shards Sorcerer Guide - Destroys All Content in Diablo 4

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    TIMESTAMPS
    00:00 - Intro
    01:50 - Playstyle
    06:22 - Leveling
    07:56 - Mana
    15:00 - Cooldowns
    16:55 - Lucky Hit
    19:55 - Gear
    26:22 - Aspects
    31:42 - Misc Gear Discussion
    34:05 - Passives & Skills
    39:44 - Paragon & Enchants
    47:40 - Other Options
    49:20 - Outro
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  • @subtractem
    @subtractem  ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Updated level 100 board as well that uses the Elementalist's Aspect and the Elementalist Summoner board. The main reason I didn't talk about it is that I really feel like it's not necessary early on as you're making your build well rounded...and I'm still easily doing T60 dungeons without them. This would be my recommendation for the final push to do max damage at the very end.

    • @leoilios
      @leoilios ปีที่แล้ว

      the (x) mean multiplicitive i think. that's why devouring blaze is good

    • @jtaggtheone4430
      @jtaggtheone4430 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m a level 83 arc lash chain lighting unstable currents sorcerer I can’t find that chest piece to save my life any suggestions?

    • @dufung3980
      @dufung3980 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Many get it around 85ish, keep running a variety of sigils it’ll pop up.

  • @OzJeffCom
    @OzJeffCom ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks for this great guide, Subtractum. Very well thought out - covers important topics that I haven't seen in other build guides. 🙂

  • @michaelchisholm5108
    @michaelchisholm5108 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks, great guide with in depth discussion of key issues involving sorcerers. I feel I learned a lot.

  • @arthas_stormr8ge877
    @arthas_stormr8ge877 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thnx for the deep dive in the paragon tree, a lot of guides lack that. Really made me think about my build, I did the fire board first for the dmg to elites and dmg reduction. I’am lvl 68 in world tier 4 and shut is wrecking me lol!

  • @sobreaver
    @sobreaver ปีที่แล้ว

    hey, happy to see you are now in the D4 gaming runs. Used to watch your vids all the time for POE and it was a great source of info. Looking forward to follow you once more on another journey ;) Cya !

  • @aylenn1574
    @aylenn1574 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great guide, good job, been watching you work on this on your stream and was curious what your ending conclusion would be. Love the build just drives me nuts that I can’t work in a good boss stagger mechanic without giving up something much more valuable

  • @MagashiSaizen
    @MagashiSaizen ปีที่แล้ว

    I've seen so many builds and so far this one is my favorite, you take your time to explain things slowly enough to let the viewer absorb what you're saying, instead of trying to say as many words per minute as you can in one single sentence which for people like me feels overwhelming and exhausting to even try to sit there and understand. lol

  • @GeniusDubstep
    @GeniusDubstep 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for addressing the leveling aspect early in the video. I kept watching to see what I'm working towards. I'm lvl 43 and couldn't get ice/fire builds to work either. I'm glad that it's not just me and there is an alternative (lighting) for the early game.

  • @GarektHagen
    @GarektHagen ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dude Subtractem another GREAT addition to the guides!

  • @florida4736
    @florida4736 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I almost gave up on my sorcerer build. You have restored my faith and how to play it, and how fun it is. Thank you, my man.

  • @DJAnubisMetalTavernRadio
    @DJAnubisMetalTavernRadio ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video and build, ive done so much re-specing the last few days trying to find the one that i like best and this comes the closest. The only change i made is not using Teleport (i really dont like it and dont like trying to utilize it in battles). I instead went with frost bolt which actually has done very well. Would love to see what you could do with the other classes including Necromancer. Thanks for the vid i will definitely be following your paragon board setup.

  • @drcozx7209
    @drcozx7209 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I would not recomend taking off devouring blaze. Devouring blaze doesnt give flat crit damage it is a crit damage multiplyer that increases your crit damage by 30 percent X. Run this with plus 3 to blaze amulet you can get to 150% multiplyer on your crit, and with the aspect that gives crit chance for casts above 100 mana you can get 100% crit chance if put on your amulet.

  • @FlyingPancake0390
    @FlyingPancake0390 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I do question the use of something like Accelerating over Elementalist for that huge crit chance bonus. I don't know what would work out better but if you can keep your mana high like this build seems to do at end game, going for that huge crit chance buff seems pretty appealing. Thanks for explaining everything so in depth! Definitely going Ice Sorc for my alt preseason.

  • @innoxgrav
    @innoxgrav ปีที่แล้ว

    level 60 and this build is amazing ty!

  • @ClackingSpoons
    @ClackingSpoons ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you for the hard work sir!

  • @LAKEDRAGON413
    @LAKEDRAGON413 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh shit, looking forward to this.

  • @gustaveriksson113
    @gustaveriksson113 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Dude, great fkin video. I was worried I was the only sorcerer who used frigid fate as my first board for 25% extra lucky hit, which is massive. It basically enables the build. More lucky hit just ensures mana over 100 for the CC-bonus from elementalist. I cannot believe why other ice shard users skip that much lucky hit.

    • @gustaveriksson113
      @gustaveriksson113 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Also first time I've seen someone use snap freeze, which I love. Along with the legendary that can make transfer status effects between monsters and the Brais-pants. The screen is just frozen all the time.

  • @zemitroso
    @zemitroso ปีที่แล้ว +1

    finally understood why Im stuck with low mana all the time, on my 42 lvl sroc. all other guides just mention "in late game you don't have mana problems" but no explanation given. thank you

  • @arthas_stormr8ge877
    @arthas_stormr8ge877 ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s sweet I picked a class and build to play, and all my favorite content creators from POE and other games are also playing the same class and builds😁😁!!

  • @Bazkur98
    @Bazkur98 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been playing the maxroll endgame version but haven't been thrilled with some of it and trying to adjust it, pretty sure I got some good tips from your video to make it better for my playstyle!

    • @Cevap05
      @Cevap05 ปีที่แล้ว

      What level are you at? Been running same Build into level 80 and having a blast

    • @Taronus68
      @Taronus68 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Cevap05 Are you running Meteor or Deep Freeze? I keep flip flopping b/w the two. Also how high nightmare have you reached? I've cleared up to Tier 65 at level 81 but I had to be incredibly selective of the mods and the boss took forever to kill even with meteor.

    • @Cevap05
      @Cevap05 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Taronus68 Think I’m up to 40s atm but havnt been grindin passed few days. Pop over to Avalanche for longer mana regen allowing you to burst boss longer

  • @RisitopLeVrai
    @RisitopLeVrai ปีที่แล้ว

    Dayum the good old Sub's 50min build guides :D Time to grab some hot chocolate I guess!!

  • @tomasnovellino5980
    @tomasnovellino5980 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is worth notice that if you enchant teleport, then using Evade will also trigger any effect "oj cooldown use" like mana back or the shock one that stuns enemies around you when use a coold down

    • @scottcampbell5536
      @scottcampbell5536 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I love that but hate the fact I lose the crit from Devouring Blaze.

  • @johanvanzetten7383
    @johanvanzetten7383 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    great video. most of it I do the same already. At first I thought ice shards build was dead but after the patch 1.1 I continued using ice shards build together with frozen orb in the glyph slot instead of ice shards. these frozen orbs, together with the aspect of frozen orbit gives me extra 'mana less' damage and these orbs can crit AND chill wheter the icy veins will be again valid. ice shards pierce anyway with the correct aspect so I can miss the glyph slot for ice shards. This build is then less controlled as frozen orbs will pull packs off screen but it is fun to see enemies coming from everywhere and you to manage it all. I gues this is then not very good idea for really high dungeon push. Also worth mentioning that aspect 'extra crits above 100 mana' can get more crit chance with +3 devouring blaze points from amulet. For the rest just stack resource regen, reduce resource cost, vulnerable damage and crit chance/damage.
    I wonder what they would fix with resist in season 2 as I could remember that resist is not working as it should and armor is more important.

  • @jamesbates9038
    @jamesbates9038 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i started off using fireball teleport and meteor, i switched into the ice shard build at level 30, yes i am 56 and still run out of mana, but man the clear speed at lvl 30 was night and day different, bc i wasn't taking advantage of vulnerable, now i just teleport in freeze everything and blow them up, normal enemies in nightmare just explode, even dungeon bosses take just a minute or two. i have sacrred gear and some good aspects for my build, i love the piercing aspect, and i have an amazingly rolled perfect barrier vs elite aspect that i am using currently on amulet that i am planing to move to my end game gear. right now i am just saving every aspect i plan to use if i have multiple good ones i will imprint the lowest and save the best for later.

  • @genocidegrand2057
    @genocidegrand2057 ปีที่แล้ว

    hope next season have good update. might try this build next season.

  • @605TYO
    @605TYO ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi..how do you change ur cursor mouse colors?

  • @ballsy506
    @ballsy506 ปีที่แล้ว

    @subtractrem Have you tried frostblitz for the extra charge on frost nova? I really think it elevates the build when you have pretty much unlimited frost novas.

  • @esuYutaro
    @esuYutaro ปีที่แล้ว

    video well done good sir

  • @afroknees8082
    @afroknees8082 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Im very confused about the ice fall that you mentioned. I thought when the enemy is frozen its chilled as well. Why wouldnt that legendary node work?

  • @gel1413
    @gel1413 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks for the build guide! been playing this spec for a while and it really did save sorc for me. Wondering how you got your cursor like that in game?

  • @DrHideInet
    @DrHideInet ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for all the effort mate! Build Quality does not drop a beat from poe versions. Currently running the full frost version with frozen orb, which I love. What was your main reason to move out of that?

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  ปีที่แล้ว

      Just too unreliable in the harder nightmare dungeons. It's great before then but you really need to use the Fire Bolt enchant later on as the damage gets crazy.

  • @rossallison1835
    @rossallison1835 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello again,
    First off, apologies for my confusion between % mana regeneration with % resource generation in the comments of the last build video. I think I got the point across on why Fiery Surge and Enhanced Ice Armor are really lacking.
    Great video! Our builds have basically morphed into the same setup through trial and error. I have a few additions/considerations for you.
    Temerity is an incredible survivability option in the legs slot. This allows you to keep up barrier 100% of the time so you can move three points from Protection to Mana Shield for more durability.
    Aspect of Control is even more broken than you mentioned. Each condition met actually stacks multiplicatively so you actually receive a 2.4x to your damage which is absurd. Because of this do not sleep on immobilize effects!! You double dip this insane multiplier with the massive crit damage amp of Devouring Blaze to one shot even the strongest elites. I prefer the Flame Shield aspect on my boots it’s easy to apply in the burst combo and it lets you move through units so you don’t get body blocked by Raiment.
    Conceited aspect is strictly better than Storm Swelling. This is because these bonuses both fall into the base damage bucket so you will want to pick the larger value. The wording is confusing but “Damage to Vulnerable” does not equal “Vulnerable Damage”. Vulnerable Damage has multiplicative scaling and is very potent.
    The lack of an Elementalist aspect is concerning.. this should most likely go on your amulet. This crit chance just makes our op crit damage options, Devouring Blaze and the Destruction glyph, even more op. This will only buff our casted Ice Shards not the free ones from the enchantment, but it’s well worth it.
    I would only invest a single point into Elemental Attunement. With it having a 10 sec cooldown more than the base 5% proc chance seems like an over investment imo. Could move these to Glass Cannon for additional damage.
    I would consider the Elemental Summoner board it is a great pass through board that has easy to access Attack Speed.
    I’m looking forward to the next one keep up the good work.

    • @CpThugLife
      @CpThugLife ปีที่แล้ว

      hey, I was wondering why att speed is so important for us? I find it kind of a waste to use an aspect for it but also to use pg points for it. Because our wand attacks are quite fast, and we cant spam nonstop because of mana anyways, so then att speed isnt really useful, because we often have to wait or attack a bit slower to keep high mana?

    • @rossallison1835
      @rossallison1835 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CpThugLife Attack speed is something you will want to look for after you get mana completely figured out. Ice Shards actually has a 25% bonus attack speed scaling so you will generally want to have just a single source of this in your gear or paragon boards. It becomes important later in the build because this greatly increases the speed of the cast which translates to more raw damage per second and it reduces the time we at stationary to cast allowing us to be a bit more mobile.
      I would lean towards getting attack speed from the paragon boards over using an aspect for it because aspects have far more limited options and you are generally giving up a lot to put this on your gear where as the paragon tree allows more flexibility.

    • @tsbulmer
      @tsbulmer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @rossallison1835 "I think I got the point across on why Fiery Surge and Enhanced Ice Armor are really lacking." Those strike me as underwhelming, so I'm curious about your analysis, but haven't able to find it. Which video was it on?

    • @rossallison1835
      @rossallison1835 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tsbulmer it was on his previous build video but I can explain it relatively simply. All forms of % mana regeneration are terrible. The percentage they scale off of is your base mana regen which is 10.
      So for a quick example Enhanced Ice Armor increasing mana regen by 25%. So quick math gives you 2.5 mana per sec over 6 secs so a massive half an Ice Shards cast over 6 secs… A low rolled Prodigy Aspect give you that same 15 mana instantly for pressing any cd..

  • @robertvictorgermano2145
    @robertvictorgermano2145 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you

  • @Oakeer
    @Oakeer ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For me I'm having a SUPER hard time dropping hydra. Hydra build is so fun and still being able to use frost nova and deep freeze with it feels pretty good

  • @MrValkovski
    @MrValkovski ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey mate, great video. I use the same build but im impressed by your paragon board. BTW, the one you show in the video is different from the one linked below. Should i assume the linked one is the better one?

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  ปีที่แล้ว

      Had a little error on the second board, are there any other issues there? Looks pretty close to me. Unfortunately I have to manually enter everything.

    • @MrValkovski
      @MrValkovski ปีที่แล้ว

      @@subtractem the rare glyph on the second board was the big diff, now is fixed. Thanks !

  • @so0oFly
    @so0oFly ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You should try shared misery aspect. In situations where enemies don't die after the initial nova (primarily in higher level nm dungeons) you can proliferate stun+freeze (and immobile if you run meteor or flame shield passive) to the entire screen. In some cases where you're in a tight hallway with large packs (burrows etc.) it's incredible. It's also a DPS increase because of the double/triple dip potential with control aspect.

  • @Fungorrr
    @Fungorrr ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you try Northwar's version with raiment+meteor and shatter with Elementalist aspect on the amulet? He's digging his heels in about its effectiveness but it feels clunky to me.

  • @Cognitoman
    @Cognitoman ปีที่แล้ว

    Does it matter where I put my aspects on my gear for instant if I have ice shards aspect does it matter if I put it on my wand or put it on my Ammy or focus ?

  • @adamhorvath2106
    @adamhorvath2106 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If you use teleport as an echantment and have a boots with +2 evade charges you will basically get a 3-charge teleport that benefits from Rainment of the Infinite and also generates barrier when using it. Alternatively this can free up the teleport skill slot for adding someting that would takes care of applying burn.

    • @anonname7610
      @anonname7610 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I like this

    • @Profet19
      @Profet19 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And lose what? Insane burn synergy or free iceshards?

    • @70chaoswalking07
      @70chaoswalking07 ปีที่แล้ว

      If sorcs had 3 enchantments this would be great...

    • @anonname7610
      @anonname7610 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@70chaoswalking07 totally agree with you, if they were to buff sorc by just that one line changed we would be constrained by passive points instead of enchantments/skill slots lol

    • @scottcampbell5536
      @scottcampbell5536 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The only thing I have seen to replace the fire bolt is firewall and its very glitchy and situational.

  • @meast33
    @meast33 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    frostburn gloves (up to 25% chance to freeze) & iceheart brais legs are amazing to have. I think better than the chest piece. lucky hit resource regeneration on offhand is also huge.

  • @CpThugLife
    @CpThugLife ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh and 1 last thing: isnt the 50% crit chance or something above 100 mana (on the amulet) really amazing? I have like 130 mana and with avalanche and some regen etc its almost always crit hits

  • @salbill4484
    @salbill4484 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How did you get your mouse pointer like that?

  • @jadefx4104
    @jadefx4104 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @subtractem Hey i have a question that I can't find an answer for anywhere. The piercing cold aspect online and in your build says pierce 3-4 times doing X less damage. It shows that everywhere as being best in slot. But in game mine says 5-7 times. Do you want the 3-4 aspect roll instead of the 5-7 times?

    • @scottcampbell5536
      @scottcampbell5536 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      wand is always 100% less than staff and amulet is always 50% more than wand.

  • @bubblepop999
    @bubblepop999 ปีที่แล้ว

    could you please let me know in order of priority the main offensive and defensive stats to look for?

  • @venenifer3569
    @venenifer3569 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Freeze and stun are like super chill or super slow. Anything that is frozen also counts as chilled, and everything that is stunned also counts as slowed. The reason why the control glyph is worded like that is to make it clear that you won't get 10% and another 20% when the enemy is frozen or stunned.
    Edit: I'm not 100% sure about the slow/stun, but freeze counting as chilled is confirmed, I just assumed the same about slow/stun because of the control glyph description

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah freeze and chill have overlap but as far as I understand it slow and chill are different (would love to be learn otherwise).

    • @venenifer3569
      @venenifer3569 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@subtractem Yeah you are correct, slow and chill are different. The effects are exactly the same (reducing enemy movement speed), the only difference being the fact that chill keeps stacking until 100%, when it turns into freeze. So freeze is basically the same as "100% chilled"

    • @soopgaming6326
      @soopgaming6326 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@subtractem The icefall board has a cryomancy node that gives 4% chill application. Useful?

  • @leggendalex98
    @leggendalex98 ปีที่แล้ว

    do you think that 3 points of glass cannon and 1 more point of hoarfrost would be better than 1 point in inner flames and 3 points in devouring blaze?

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'd just rather not take more damage once we get to the harder dungeons. General damage feels like enough.

  • @jacobblair5016
    @jacobblair5016 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I believe it needs to be stated that if you don't have Rainment that inferno is a huge QoL skill until you get it. Just my opinion using both inferno and deep freeze without having the luck of Rainment yet.

  • @thomasgrimm1664
    @thomasgrimm1664 ปีที่แล้ว

    Those bracers o.O
    NEED

  • @sanmaru5555
    @sanmaru5555 ปีที่แล้ว

    your gloves is insane

  • @Matt-tw3oz
    @Matt-tw3oz ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you. just beat lilith with this build.

  • @nytechillz
    @nytechillz ปีที่แล้ว

    Greetings, so i got some eye issues and im noticing that very prominent blue cursor you got there. I must ask, where did you get it? thx :)

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yolomouse, it's a lifesaver!

    • @nytechillz
      @nytechillz ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@subtractem i appreciate the info, ty. havent watched the full vid yet but from what ive seen looks great. subbed, keep it up!

  • @rilf1683
    @rilf1683 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm using snap freeze zoo. My only useable unique i found is iceheart brais and those two togerther are sooo nice. if you're lucky a pack is down in one shards cast.

    • @donvigo4103
      @donvigo4103 ปีที่แล้ว

      Snap freeze doesnt somehow apply chill right? Its just either it freeze or not?

    • @rilf1683
      @rilf1683 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@donvigo4103 yep. It‘s freeze or nothing. No chill inbetween

  • @fearonslaught364
    @fearonslaught364 ปีที่แล้ว

    Followed this but with warmth passive. Might remove teleport to have 2 barriers.

  • @scottcampbell5536
    @scottcampbell5536 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I personally use the static surge board for + mana on stun with Raiment/teleport and paralyzing and incapacitate for stunned enemies. After my tele my stun dmg is 230% so frost nova goes off BIG.

  • @Red49er85
    @Red49er85 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been using the frost bolt enchantment just to get more chill, which leads to more freezes (I believe?) even if snap freeze doesn't proc. It feels a bit wasteful to have my 2 enchants being added chill+burn damage, but my build did start feeling a lot better once I added that piece
    Edit: okay, you're right - that ice shards enchant should be illegal (jk, plz no nerf)

  • @altcome
    @altcome ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have some gameplay video for ~60 lvl dungeons? Thanks

  • @CpThugLife
    @CpThugLife ปีที่แล้ว

    Diablo dev tweeted that frozen is also chilled. Doesnt that mean icefall is actually amazing together with the iceshard sees enemies as frozen? However I must say, when I tried icefall my dmg was amazing when i used frost nova but it didnt seem like i got a buff with my normal ice shard attk. Even tho he really tweeted it..
    'frozen enemies are considered chilled' is what he tweeted
    Oh and thanks for the video of course! I think i need to change some things since im a 86 but i struggle so much in 30-40 nightmares, getting 1 hit all the time. Think i need to go more defense, so i think i should definitely try out your paragon board. And maybe change some items

  • @adamhorvath2106
    @adamhorvath2106 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have found a staff with Aspect of Frozen memories but it still just adds 1 additional free cast instead of 2. I think only the blue numbers are doubled on aspects and not the 'gold' numbers.

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  ปีที่แล้ว

      Damn I thought I saw it say 2 on a staff, must have misremembered.

  • @imai8096
    @imai8096 ปีที่แล้ว

    Frozen enemies are also chilled, Krip told that it was comfirmed by devs it in one of his videos so Icefall is nice

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  ปีที่แล้ว

      Sadly we can't really use anything else from Icefall so the chill isn't active outside of frozen.

  • @jneal713
    @jneal713 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the maxroll paragon board better but other than that it's great. Too many resist nodes (resists stink) and better pathing.

  • @cvinny82
    @cvinny82 ปีที่แล้ว

    And now I have to look up how to get that aspect for teleport since you didn't mention whether it was a dungeon aspect et cetera

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  ปีที่แล้ว

      It's a unique. I talked about it.

  • @jeremyschoen9876
    @jeremyschoen9876 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does anyone know if lucky hit chance can roll on any piece of gear or does it only roll on specific pieces of gear?

    • @LokiTheAnsuz
      @LokiTheAnsuz ปีที่แล้ว

      It can roll on wands (it's the primary), Focus, Rings and Gloves. You can also get lucky hit while barrier on helms, wands and probably chests too... There might be others, but I haven't seen them yet

  • @Mishka1903
    @Mishka1903 ปีที่แล้ว

    may I ask, you seem pretty seasoned when it comes down to Diablo 4 / Sorc, I am looking for a PvP build (+ paragon board pvp build).
    You got any at hand / may can make a build video please? =)

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  ปีที่แล้ว

      Sorry I don't know the pvp meta at the moment for Sorc. Pulverize Druids and Thorns Barbs are insane though.

  • @LtTrog
    @LtTrog ปีที่แล้ว

    is there a written version of this any where? ive looked at the max roll and icy veins versions

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  ปีที่แล้ว

      There is a diablo builds link in the description, that with the video should be enough detail.

  • @donvigo4103
    @donvigo4103 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Which glyph should i prioritize first? Exploit? And should i focus on getting one to 15 before even touching a 2nd?
    And why is icefall board considered so bad? There's alot of chilling dmg and the legendary effect is kinda up all the time (perhaps not in super high tiers, but overall)

    • @theHustle53
      @theHustle53 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ice shards don't chill.

    • @donvigo4103
      @donvigo4103 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@theHustle53 but we freeze all the time, and thats when we pump the most.. freeze=chill

    • @scottcampbell5536
      @scottcampbell5536 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      you need frostburn gloves to freeze enemies or the blizzard skill

  • @FlackooPretty
    @FlackooPretty 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is this build viable for the campaign 1-50 on hardcore? Seems like it could be but obviously my gear is trash still. Edit: Okay, you actually dressed the point in the video! Thanks man!

  • @Taoscape
    @Taoscape ปีที่แล้ว

    The build is missing "Lucky hit: 50% chance when hitting a CCed enemy to spread that CC to nearby mobs", and "+40% crit chance when at or above 100 mana". The entry into the conjuration paragon tree is great for additional mana. It is a good choice for the 5th board just to take the mana nodes to keep the crit aspect up all the time, even on single target.
    Also you don't need to immobilize separately from freeze. Freeze also counts as immobilize. This can be proven by doing x2 the crit damage with the crit damage to burning enemies passive which triggers on "Immobilized".

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  ปีที่แล้ว

      I take the stun for mana + additional mana for my 5th board, feel free to take it earlier. Possibly necessary to scale damage at extremely high tier NM dungeons but I can do T60s clean without it. Can probably replace the damage to vulnerable enemies node for it.
      I think the CC spread node is nice but not game changing, I consider that very optional

  • @Norththeninja
    @Norththeninja ปีที่แล้ว

    Legendary Aspect idea. : you gain unstoppable for 1 second when you activate a barrier (would only work with cast not a trigger barrier)

  • @clairyfae6863
    @clairyfae6863 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know wand and focus are better for attack spd but I seem to be liking staff more plus the mogs look sick lmfao

  • @MarcoDiSilvestre
    @MarcoDiSilvestre ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel like I am the only one who uses the basic skill frost bolt, and frost bolts enchantment. 3 frost bolts freeze any normal enemy (with the right skills and paragon choices). Amazing in a pinch to stop a rushing enemy or proc a freeze for item effects. Plus it saves/regens your mana and your avalanche buff if you want to take out small enemies. It also allows ice shards to freeze enemies and get bonus damage against chilled enemies. Also the chill effect is extremely underrated for staying safe and keeping your distance from groups. So that allows me to run vulnerable on ice shards and still benefit from the ricochet. I think it's worth it over the ice shards enchantment. that enchantment seems redundant to me. I like the control i get with frost bolt.

    • @vank0x808
      @vank0x808 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      While you still have mana issues it’s good but after that there’s just no use case for it as you just hop in and spam ice shards. Ice shards enchantment is just what makes this build to do good AOE. You just teleport - frost nova and it blasts everything. I’m also using frost bolt at the moment until my mana issues are solved but then I’ll switch it out.

    • @carefreeblues25
      @carefreeblues25 ปีที่แล้ว

      Once you have 'AofProdigy +25mana/cooldown' and 'AofUmbral +4mana/enemy CC' combined with 'AoFrozenMemories +1 avalanche', you will almost never run out of mana. Having frost bolt just takes up another cooldown slot from your hot bar. A single teleport, flame shield, ice armor, frost nova or deep freeze will restore 6x of mana you get from frost bolt.
      With the 'snap freeze passive', I almost always freeze an enemy within 3 volleys of ice shards (that is, if they could survive the barrage). I also run 'AofSharedMisey 50% chance to spread CC to nearby enemies' so there are times I don't even need to teleport into mobs (especially on long/narrow hallways or rooms) to cast frost nova but rather just spam my ice shards from a far (wide screen monitor 😉) and everything blows up in a chain reaction. It's the closest thing I've come to pre nerf chain lightning.

  • @angelcarrillogomez2971
    @angelcarrillogomez2971 ปีที่แล้ว

    I thought frozen enemies are also chilled enemies. You say that "we don’t chill enemies", so by saying that once a chilled enemy is frozen it looses the chill debuf for the frozen debuf? Or once the enemy is frozen it maintain the chill debuf?

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  ปีที่แล้ว

      I believe it is chilled for only the duration of the freeze but that's it, so functionally not super useful defensively

  • @pfzt
    @pfzt ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this build but it is too slow, waiting for cooldowns drives me crazy. It reminds of the old Corpse Lance Necro in Diablo 3: Waiting for a 120 sec (!!!) cooldown before you can do any serious damage. Diablo 3 however made it possible to reduce the cooldown to almost zero later on, so the build was at least playable and somewhat fun. How can i reduce the cooldown of Frost Nova to a second max?

  • @reecep4016
    @reecep4016 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do enchantments count as core skills. Just wondering because mother embrace the ancestral unique says ‘if core skills hit 5 or more enemies…..’ does that mean I can use ice shards with the fire bolt enchantment and it would work?

  • @bbabrunouk
    @bbabrunouk ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this a weekly guide? :)

  • @goodolbrad3
    @goodolbrad3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there anything else to reduce the cooldown on Nova?

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Skill Levels and cooldown reduction on gear

  • @malm1231
    @malm1231 ปีที่แล้ว

    ive been maining this build as well, experimenting all over the place, similar level / progression
    - after much experimentation i went staff because the control aspect on a staff is too much free damage (better than 2x of any other damage aspect)- my frost nova is 15 sec CD so sounds like 4-5 seconds on that CD is the price i pay
    -why not use blizzard over deep freeze to freeze when cooldowns are down? 1 frostbolt + 1 second in blizzard (+Penitent boots) will freeze
    -not sure if avalanche is a good idea with a staff - but also not sure if shatter actually does anything on a boss (maybe shatter damage applies after stagger which would be terrible dps)
    -lucky hit is 52% on frostbolt, 21% on shards for me.
    -barriers are good but i agree with others here - elementalist on amulet is pretty much manditory damage if you plan to stay above 100 mana
    staff vs offhand debate i think comes down to whether you can sustain mana on single target with lucky hit mana gain affix. if you ever have to weave in frostbolts I think staff + shatter is looking better overall for clearing. would love to see a proper discussion on this. I dont think this build needs help clearing I am looking for ways to trade some damage for sustain on uber lilith
    respectfully I disagree about raiment of the infinite > you can get like 75% DR on a body armour. mandatory in late game to at least have a swap if you are really pushin. If you are carrying a group its great though, i suppose that is this builds strength as well
    much appreciate the detail. any thoughts on my notes here would be great~ keep doin your thing sir

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      check out the latest video, i sold my raiment accidentally so changed things up. i do prefer blizz over deep freeze now because of consistency and using the Icefall paragon board is huge.
      with proper play raiment IS the best, there really is no argument. here's someone clearing a 100 dungeon using it: th-cam.com/video/upqxHnCxFUI/w-d-xo.html
      im currently using a DR chest because i dont have raiment (a second one hasnt dropped and im 92 now, it's insane) but as soon as i get one im going back (only using DR chest for possible Uber Lilith attempts later).
      staff is nice for aspect of control like you said when you're clearing more patiently but 1H is just faster. with almost 30% CDR and using the double frost nova enchant (ive since switched to it, it feels bugged and gets double value on cooldown resets so it feels mandatory now) and i clear FAST, would be even faster with a raiment.
      with a 1H im critting in the 150-200k range and clearing T60 dungeons really clean. the other thing is...there is just no point to go higher than T60 right now due to how the game is set up. for both more XP and more Loot you're better off staying in the 50-60 range, going higher than that is only for bragging rights.

    • @malm1231
      @malm1231 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@subtractem again great tips tyty -
      ill concede about the raiment - i hear you; if the rest of your defenses are able to cover the lack of another slot while still being able to complete the dungeon, that would be the slot to drop. if someone can do it comfortably i suppose its fair to argue that it "fits" into the build :D good find
      ill keep experimenting on the 1h vs staff, very solid points you made there. going to have to try the frost nova setup with CDR. Goal isnt to solo t100 but hopefully uber lilith after some enchant / gear swaps are ready. opportunity cost turned out to be pretty interesting overall at least on sorc

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  ปีที่แล้ว

      World's first Uber Lilith kill uses 1H. A shame Sorc is such a difficult and poorly scaling class but it's just so fun. Hope it gets great buffs in season 1.
      th-cam.com/video/a2SEijxHUNE/w-d-xo.html

  • @jasonmorris3110
    @jasonmorris3110 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does the chest piece drop on t3? Been trying to get it for nearly a week and nothing.

    • @abaivovin2726
      @abaivovin2726 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes I have it and I'm still on t3.

    • @jasonmorris3110
      @jasonmorris3110 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@abaivovin2726 ok, time to keep grinding. My rng is horrid

    • @dennisvogel5982
      @dennisvogel5982 ปีที่แล้ว

      it does

  • @lucasalluc
    @lucasalluc ปีที่แล้ว

    im level 78 and im having trouble surviving, getting ONE SHOT, maybe im too weak for tier 50 dungeons?

  • @sni18per
    @sni18per ปีที่แล้ว

    any tips on how to farm that chestpiece other than rng? XD am lvl74 doing nightmare dungeons lvl 36 but still no luck :(

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I got most of my uniques from treasure goblins in Helltides. Only one Raiment this whole time.

  • @lam2558
    @lam2558 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    how are you triggering devouring blaze?

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fire bolt enchant and either meteor or flame shield aspect

  • @ItsTheGofa
    @ItsTheGofa ปีที่แล้ว

    Is that a Gibson Les Paul in the background Sub??

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yessir!

    • @ItsTheGofa
      @ItsTheGofa ปีที่แล้ว

      @@subtractem NOICE !!!!

  • @MetalGearZ
    @MetalGearZ ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Isn't there an aspect that gives up to 60% crit chance when put on an amulet? Ez crit cap sounds way too good to pass on

    • @MeistGamingChannel
      @MeistGamingChannel ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, it's insane.

    • @giovanni8185
      @giovanni8185 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes but you have to stay over 100 mana and its only for core and mastery skills.

    • @Jenkzyx
      @Jenkzyx ปีที่แล้ว

      @@giovanni8185Pretty easily done on a sorc. Gain the extra mana while in paragon and most the time your first few casts will barely move the mana bar and then it starts jumping up and down all over the place

    • @Rictom15
      @Rictom15 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lvl 100 sorc here, even with 100% crit chance since lvl 80 you dont have enough dmg.
      When you can freeze them they almost instantly pop.
      But at tier 80+ NM you are just a Support class, EVERY other class does way more dmg then you to bosses and you get 1 shot by everything, no matter how many defence skills/paragon points you take

  • @TaalianLIVE
    @TaalianLIVE ปีที่แล้ว

    Bliz confirmed that anything frozen is also chilled, just throwin that out there for ya :)

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  ปีที่แล้ว

      unfortunately the enemies aren't always frozen and we have no source of chill outside of the freeze.

    • @TaalianLIVE
      @TaalianLIVE ปีที่แล้ว

      @@subtractem Unique glove/pants combo, and snap freeze is just one way we can work to keep them frozen constantly. There is also the aspect that spreads freeze up to 50%

  • @Zaral7
    @Zaral7 ปีที่แล้ว

    There are many ice shard builds, but this one is mine! Without my ice shard build, I am nothing! Without me, ICE SHARDS IS NOTHING!

  • @fleckens
    @fleckens ปีที่แล้ว

    CDR seems to also have dimishing returns, I got 14%, 14%, 10,3% and 11.2% which should be almost 50% but it only gives me 41.1%

  • @afailable
    @afailable 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @18:50 You could type your problem directly into Wolfram Alpha in plain English and it will do the math for you

  • @little_fluffy_clouds
    @little_fluffy_clouds 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You keep saying we don’t chill with this build, but we do freeze enemies and that counts as chilled (to the max). So there’s still value in taking damage amplifiers against chilled enemies

  • @malvirothe5742
    @malvirothe5742 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hopefully someone can answer this quickly, but I thought I googled whether you can stack aspects and the answer was no, so if I can't how do I solve mana problem with out stacking

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You can use different kinds of mana aspects, just not the same one. So umbral and prodigy are fine together.

    • @malvirothe5742
      @malvirothe5742 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@subtractem ty

  • @donvigo4103
    @donvigo4103 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im just so frustrated yet happy about the paragon system. It still amaze me that there's not a single guide having the same paragons/board order/glyphs. And actually talents aswell, There's always a few talents people either hate or love....
    Did i miss the 5th board and glyph in this video?
    And also regarding the frigid fate legendary, iv'e heard its not worth going for....

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Last board is in decription level 100

  • @PapaZannie
    @PapaZannie 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I beat Lilith last night with a homemade skill tree, solo, at level 47, in world tier ii or whatever… tough, slow second phase and I died a few times but damn did I feel like a champ when I finally got her down! I bet it would’ve been so much easier if I didn’t have every point spent in frost talents lmmfao, that’s why I’m here, honestly.

  • @usermuser7280
    @usermuser7280 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don’t understand how people are at lvl 50 with all red gear, but I keep getting golden gear which is better so I might as well use that. Is there a way I can push the power level of the red gear continuously? Or I need to find a new red weapon which is higher power

    • @joegaudi
      @joegaudi ปีที่แล้ว

      You can add legendary aspects to your yellows to make them red. Might want to make a visit to the occultist in town or look up a guide on extracting aspects.

    • @scottcampbell5536
      @scottcampbell5536 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They have friends running them.

  • @peter486
    @peter486 ปีที่แล้ว

    i think its better to level with Blizzrd because this build was so demaning to get working. took alot of time to get the extra man a, the reduced mana, the cooldown reduction etc. the problem with a level 60 nightmares white mobs oneshots you-

  • @darthbane2669
    @darthbane2669 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm still struggling hard with mana have had bad luck with new gear

  • @Am4gedon
    @Am4gedon ปีที่แล้ว

    The paragon board is weird... No legendary nodes??

  • @CaptainBanananana
    @CaptainBanananana ปีที่แล้ว

    why shouldnt i use a staff? just curious, no disrespect.

  • @Profet19
    @Profet19 ปีที่แล้ว

    I use a 2800dps staff and have a ton of mana reduction and cdr, level 78 doing 88+ monster level content. How is a staff so bad?

    • @ijustwannabeanonymous7618
      @ijustwannabeanonymous7618 ปีที่แล้ว

      From what I've picked up, I believe it's because you get an extra aspect and the offhand focus can give a ton of cooldown reduction and lucky hit chance.

  • @cody945
    @cody945 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I heard that the devs said if they're frozen they're chilled

  • @julianreuter88
    @julianreuter88 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m pretty sure your discussion during the paragon board is a little off, because all frozen enemies are also chilled. At least, I’m petty sure that’s the case.

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  ปีที่แล้ว

      They are, but we don't chill outside of that so we can't rely on monsters just being chilled (which is mostly what the board would give us with damage reduction etc).

  • @taekler
    @taekler ปีที่แล้ว

    you said "we're using burning damage right here" but you didnt take the note?

  • @drithius4801
    @drithius4801 ปีที่แล้ว

    Should be noted that Devouring Blaze will get up to 7/3 with a +4 Amulet, giving you 90%/180% crit damage.

    • @wambamjimjam8928
      @wambamjimjam8928 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ive only seen +3 to passive stats, and that would be 60%/150%

    • @Pandemonium088
      @Pandemonium088 ปีที่แล้ว

      +4 on amulet and +4 on harlequin