He was preaching the gospel and he continued sinning. We are told to repent and turn away from our sin it's called sanctification. To not repent is to reject salvation.
@@gillianstewart8442 wrong! Please read Romans chapter 7 Paul struggled with sin while preaching. No we are not to love or live a sinful lifestyle, this walk is about Christ and him alone, that’s why I never put my trust in a sinful man!
🙋 Hi Saints. Read 👉📖👈 1 Thessalonians 4:3-7 . King James Version 3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness...
Ravi brought me back to CHRIST .... in sin and 30 years backslidden ,Ravi showed me I didn't need to leave my intellect outside of my theology, I still owe a huge debt of gratitude to Ravi . I am very sorry for his failure but I still love and respect his work for the kingdom of CHRIST.
You don't owe gratitude to anyone but Christ. He should not be idolized. Some messages sent by him may be impacted but thank God for that, not him. He is just a vessel.
He fell from grace in a big way ! Abused women !! ..how did his wife not know? Those who hid his sins are also fallen ! Those who protected him are sinners! Why do leaders in Christianity with power wield money from gullible folks and create criminal sins. AND he lied xxx times about attendance false professors etc at Cambridge/ Oxford which he didn't attend...even in books ! Was he a psychopath narcissist ? GROS liar abuser !
Reality is some have and some haven't. God cannot accept sin into heaven as He is perfect. Perfection is attained by repentance and asking God for forgiveness, only He God knows who did or didn't.
Heartbreaking..... God deals in truth and justice irrespective. It's a testimony that God redeems people and situations. I pray for his family and those women that were hurt .
victim victim victim that everyone says, but even repoRTS says that they are just three womens and only one of them agreed to talk about this. and Ravi is not alive to defend himself, may be Ravi had did a mistake but this overactive propaganda making a wrong image of him
Assuming the allegations are true, it's a shame the investigation didn't happen earlier before his passing. Cuz now, his family has to entirely bear the stress of the ordeal; confronting the allegations and publicly addressing his church regarding what he did should have been Ravi Zacharias's burden to bear, but now he's dumped it on his family. He should have admitted wrongdoing and come clean while he was still alive to make things easier for his family, the RZIM community, and anyone who has followed him over the years.
Stupidity even on the part of ravi family, As a Christian counsellor i counselled many youth and old people after all the counselling I just conclude briefly ,if a person continues doing masturbation or involved in extra marital activities appropriated to Ravi , the family life collapses first because the spirit involved there is Jezebel it will definitely leads to divorce in a marriage,secondly ministry would be wound up because God said to Adam to take dominion on the planet and God brought woman to help him.take that reverse if Adam is engaged in illicit activities with woman the dominion or the ministry he was doing will windup and result he is a failure in life. If we see Ravi Zachariah the above said things are not there,Ravi has beautiful marriage working, and his ministry is even powerful till the end. Wake up people don’t do mud slinging.
It is not fair neither good for his family to face these allegations because he is not here to answer. My prayers goes for his family and friends. I loved his preachings and teachings, it is the word of God, he was just a vessel. We are all responsible for what we do, and we will all answer one day to our maker.
All of us should be pointing the finger at ourselves Things you did Or just like whatever buddy else is done send us in And I'm very sure that happy Ask for forgiveness And god being is merciful and gracious as he is through lord Jesus Christ forgive him
It's possible to go there legitimately, but he lived without accountability and had an apartment there, etc. So upsetting and heartbreaking. Why didn't the C&MA make sure he was. accountable?
The situation with Ravi is a great example of why God gave us the guidelines of proper leadership and church discipline for those in the church who breach His design. Most churches do not utilize church discipline. It is for the betterment of all involved to call evil, evil and good, good, especially the 'leaders.'
"He who is withOUT sin, let him/ her Cast the FIRST stone." The churchworld in general, is THICK with sin, and like sev- eral wise Christians have said in these comments---The LORD is "CLEANING HOUSE," mark my words. The rapture of the Church draws near, but it isn't going ANYwhere until we shed some undesirable POUNDS. Let us not simply "Sit on the Fences," but rather, become more ( Spiritually ) Proactive. We are ALL implicated. Just call on HIM! GOD bless.
He who is with out sin ,let him throw the first stone. Jesus said it to the hypocritical men who brought a woman who became a sinner because of some of them. She is humble ,acknowledges her sin and converts. Most probably she is Mary of Bethany. You see her sitting at the feet of Jesus washing His feet with her tears ! Simon the host refuses to accept her converted state. Ravi Zach is not like that. A super christian receiving everybodys adoration yet living in sin . He is a false shepherd and it is our fault that we put men like Billy Graham and Ravi on this high pedastal. This is not the Biblical pattern . Jesus chose humble fishermen and Paul a murder to be the Apostles so that the power of God is manifested through them. Paul, though a Scholar was not eloquent like Billy and Ravi.
@@susammageorge1128 15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? (Matthew 7:15-16, ESV)
Most of the words he said were wrong, for instance, he gave himself the title of doctor, when all he had was a masters degree. He claimed to have been invited to Oxford and Cambridge universities as a visiting scholar, when he went to organisations in those towns that were not part of their universities. He put out so many lies, but his Christian followers paid no attention.
Part of not putting people on a pedestal (which you mentioned) is that churches and other ministries should have processes in place by which leaders can be disciplined. The fact that Ravi's daughter was president of the board, and his wife was on the board, should have been a big red-flag. That might be OK for a small non-profit with only half a dozen employees, but RZIM is an international organization and I'm assuming has at least hundreds of employees at this point. There's no reason to have one family dominating the board at that point.
Excellent point. That really was a big red flag. At this point, his wife and daughter are now having to suffer the brunt of the humiliation of what he did and surely will be regretting their involvement.
Just as the ancients declared _"in vino veritas"_ (in wine, there is truth. I.e., when someone is drunk, he reveals his true thoughts), so having power tests character -- and many fail that test.
We have to be careful not to put people on a pedestal. No one is perfect. This is just a terrible situation. Abuse of power is horrible. Especially in the church because people's souls are literally at stake. Sexual assault, and really any type of sexual misconduct, is one of the worst crimes in my mind.
I have this question in my mind is this👈🏽. Why would a so called man of God have massage spas🤔? A man should only be touch by his wife or a wife by her husband🙏🏼. When you get into situations like that, it's a receipt for danger. I'm a Christian brother, and just because were christians doesn't mean were not in a fight for our very souls. Satan will tempt and come after us christians more than unbelievers. I've owned a few books by Ravi, I have to be careful of the content now. Cause if his heart was perverted, his work might be tainted as well. It's like with music, the heart of the author goes into him or her that's making the music. Remember the story of King Saul with the evil spirit and King David "1 Samuel 16:14-23". An King David had to play the harp to drive the evil spirit out. Remember this, if you can play an evil spirit out, you can play one into a man's or woman's soul as well. Listening to corrupt music can do the samething. An author who writes christian books puts his or her heart into it. So wherever a man's heart is, so is his work🙏🏽🇮🇱🌎🌍👑
Men live and die ,they don't resurrect themselves but Jesus did.His word is the truth! Ravi was gifted with wisdom but he squandered it with fame..., i still believe his faith in Christ is true,but worldly life and fame are enemies of spiritual leadership.Our pastors, preachers, spiritual leaders should remind themselves that they cannot serve God and mammon same time.
@@JSVKK This hypocrite was confronted and refused to admit his evil ways and adamantly denied the charges. Fuck that asshole. I was calling him out as a misogynist for years. Now you imbeciles can see the true picture.
Everyone fails. Too much social climbing and holy hierarchy in the evangelical church and worship of “ Godliness” leads to hiding of our true broken humanity. We are all the same we just are afflicted with different problems and battles. To know all is to understand all. The victims of this betrayal of trust need the body of Christ to give immediate help, support and love to recover and heal. This is an opportunity for the church to gain a deeper more loving compassionate understanding of what creates this kind of situation and how we can try to prevent it being recreated in the future. The family of Ravi need so much love right now.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts Nina, I find this very hard to process. I always felt it was strange how much he talked about himself, but his ministry was an encouragement to me in my early years of walking with God, so it is just very sad. I feel for his family! I hope the allegations are not true, but it doesn’t look good :(
Stupidity even on the part of ravi family, As a Christian counsellor i counselled many youth and old people after all the counselling I just conclude briefly ,if a person continues doing masturbation or involved in extra marital activities appropriated to Ravi , the family life collapses first because the spirit involved there is Jezebel it will definitely leads to divorce in a marriage,secondly ministry would be wound up because God said to Adam to take dominion on the planet and God brought woman to help him.take that reverse if Adam is engaged in illicit activities with woman the dominion or the ministry he was doing will windup and result he is a failure in life. If we see Ravi Zachariah the above said things are not there,Ravi has beautiful marriage working, and his ministry is even powerful till the end. Wake up people don’t do mud slinging.
Stupidity even on the part of ravi family, As a Christian counsellor i counselled many youth and old people after all the counselling I just conclude briefly ,if a person continues doing masturbation or involved in extra marital activities appropriated to Ravi , the family life collapses first because the spirit involved there is Jezebel it will definitely leads to divorce in a marriage,secondly ministry would be wound up because God said to Adam to take dominion on the planet and God brought woman to help him.take that reverse if Adam is engaged in illicit activities with woman the dominion or the ministry he was doing will windup and result he is a failure in life. If we see Ravi Zachariah the above said things are not there,Ravi has beautiful marriage working, and his ministry is even powerful till the end. Wake up people don’t do mud slinging.
Ravi also lied about having 3 doctorate degrees, being a visiting scholar at Cambridge, being a senior research fellow at Oxford, and finally being a chairman at the Alliance Theological Seminary. These academic credentials were listed on his website for a very long time but finally taken down and he himself talked about these accolades in numerous videos as well.....its pretty clear this man loved to deceive.....prayers for the victims!
Wow this something new. This leads me to believe he traveled all around the world under a cloak of evil intent all along😓 Satan knows scripture too. If he were so lonely he could have stopped traveling stayed home he had many options, but chose to be a sexual predator. Wow😥
Let's focus on God not man. We christians know that the enemy hates us so he is going to do everything to make us doubt God and he can even use fellow christians to shake our faith. Let's continue to pray for each other. We are still in our sinful nature so we are capable of sinning, let's grow our spiritual nature more.
I'm confused with all this !! Ravi was such a gifted man but I guess that we need to focus our eyes on Jesus the Author and finisher of our faith.I pray for the women that were affected and his family and friends that God will help them through this mess. Faithfulness in a marriage is what God desires !...I can only hope that Ravi truly repented and that God forgave him..Sexual sins really grieve the Holy spirit repent ,confess and seek God's cleansing .. We deceive ourselves if we say we have no sin and the truth is not in us but if we confess our sin He is faithful to forgive us our sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Really lovely presentation and measured in content ....GB you
“Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:22-23 KJV
Great way to take scripture out of context. What "work" did Ravi confess to earning him a spot in heaven? Because that scripture is all about "Cain's" sacrifice and not how God deals with sin. Remember Moses? Equalled himself to God, died and was buried but seen on the mount of transfiguration? Remarkable how Christians today want to condemn as Sadducees and Pharisees but not respond gracefully.
Correct, J. Thomas. These modern-day Pharisees [GV] are quick to jump on the bandwagon with they’re scriptures out of context. What they don’t realize is that Ravi trusting in Christ’s sacrifice for his salvation. Obviously many of these, Arminians, think that a man’s failures, are greater than the blood of Jesus who forgave them! It’s an easy thing to charge people with sin after they’re dead and can’t defend themselves. But, even so, Jesus blood is Ravi’s defense. [and that says nothing about his guilt or innocence in these allegations].
Because of course, you don’t work and “iniquity,” right Guillermo Valverde? Or is the blood of Jesus your grace for your own corruption (which you don’t obviously acknowledge)?
15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? (Matthew 7:15-16, ESV)
@@meandover7921 15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? (Matthew 7:15-16, ESV)
Didn't watch the whole video, and didn't look in Ravi's allegations, but I heard you say that Ravi doesn't deserve the assumption of innocence. Firstly, assumption of innocence is always the way to go until proven otherwise. Secondly, the Bible says to only condemn an elder with 2 or more witnesses. Elders have higher responsibility, authority, and honor. People in those positions need higher defenses, because everyone wants to tear them down, doubly so the devil.
It's all been proven by an independant investigation firm - hired by RZIM. It's true and we all must face it. Let's not make excuses for a sexual deviant, a liar and a cheat. It is what it is - ...the truth shall set you free.
@Deborah Faith Thompson because the main thing that bothered me was the lack of assumption of Innocence, but it's been 4 weeks since then, so I don't remember much. Also we live in an era where people just throw out accusations, so personally I'm growing tired of having to look into this kinda thing.
perhaps this is a fitting closure to 2020, a year in which i firmly believe god has been 'undoing church'... as in, delivering us from the systems we have been a part of, tolerated, embraced and supported and championed even. jesus is lord. not pastors or priests, not ministry leaders, not mr zacharias. and holy spirit is our life. not any system, even 'the church'.
the Church is the body of Christ not an organization or buildings. that is where many people get it wrong. they put so much trust in the man preaching they forget that it is Jesus that is the one who is in the man doing the preaching and as long as that man allows Jesus to do so great. it is when that man falls and looses hold of Jesus that things go wrong. we do not know if Ravi repented and will be saved or if he will be lost. no one knows, only Jesus. people should stop the SIN of GOSSIPING or they will be beating Ravi into hell fire. as many have already declared, only Jesus has not sinned, only Jesus is perfect, the man God who died for us. it will be interesting when all is finally over who will be in the kingdom and who will not. how many more have hidden well stood arounded sins, pet sins they hold near and dear to their hearts. I hope that Ravi repented and was delivered from his sins before he died. we will know at the last days. Glory to God and Jesus Christ His Son Who along is worthy to be praised.
The unfortunate circumstance is that non-Christians will Christian-bash more. We must focus on Jesus and look for someone else to replace Ravi if needed. They will know we are Christian by our love, so we must not just teach but obey Christ's teachings and seek justice for all victims.
Temple was still standing even when Solomon fell. Church is holy, it does not matter who did what.. Glory be to God alone.. And it's always will be.. Amen. Hallelujah 🙌
The point is Nina, King David accepted and he had regrets that he had cause harmed many people. But Ravi didn’t seem to come down from that position and fame and be willing to humble himself before the lord, he didn’t seem to ask for forgiveness, he seemed more concerned about hiding his iniquity even after coming to light, he threatened to commit suicide. Please don’t try to make this look like less of an issue. The harm and damage such people cause to who trust them are immense, I’ve been a victim myself on online grooming via text. I didn’t not have a healthy father. It caused me psychological damage. Though it wasn’t sexual, but it did cause me damage and it’s been couple of years now, I can only imagine what a sexual grooming can do. This is evil, I am 100% convinced Ravi was a narcissist. I even doubt his salvation.
David repented but people tend to omit that his family life was destroyed by his sin. God gave him grace but he also reaped what he sowed. He chased the fleeting pleasures of sin, breaking all ten commandments in the process. His life was never the same afterwards.
He claimed he went to Oxford and that he had a degree which he said many many times, it was a lie unfortunately. There was something very wrong with him, he also lied aabout another credential. I just dont get it
This not time to theologise, but to repent from idolising people. My prayers are with the victims of Ravi's crimes. I pray that the RZIM Trust will sell all their assets and give it to the poor. God have mercy on us all.
Thank you for the candid and well thought out challenge that God has allowed for ALL of us to struggle thru. I believe that Mike Winger's 2 hour report on the investigation & documentation.. "Ravi Z..Where do we go from here?" gives a professional's insight as a domestic violence counselor into the intense nature of Mr. Z's character flaws. It helps to understand the facts.
A man may sink by such slow degrees that, long after he is a devil, he may go on being a good churchman or a good dissenter and thinking himself a good Christian. - George MacDonald I've heard Dr. Ravi Zacharias quote this across several of his teachings
Whatever He (Ravi) did or did not do, the important thing to remember is that ALL have sinned and fall short...I am reminded of this verse in 1 Cor. 5:5 "deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the Day of the Lord Jesus." Ravi Zacharias still stands as one of the most powerful contenders for the Faith in this contemporary age! Know that there was only one man who walked upon this Earth, that was completely without Sin.. The Christ Jesus!!! Hallelujah & Amen! Worthy is the Lamb ❣️💪👆
Stupidity even on the part of ravi family, As a Christian counsellor i counselled many youth and old people after all the counselling I just conclude briefly ,if a person continues doing masturbation or involved in extra marital activities appropriated to Ravi , the family life collapses first because the spirit involved there is Jezebel it will definitely leads to divorce in a marriage,secondly ministry would be wound up because God said to Adam to take dominion on the planet and God brought woman to help him.take that reverse if Adam is engaged in illicit activities with woman the dominion or the ministry he was doing will windup and result he is a failure in life. If we see Ravi Zachariah the above said things are not there,Ravi has beautiful marriage working, and his ministry is even powerful till the end. Wake up people don’t do mud slinging.
Apart from sexual sing, what about all the lies? spiritualsoundingboard.com/2020/05/12/before-evangelicals-canonize-ravi-zacharias-will-they-learn-from-jean-vanier-and-larche/
Yes, David was a murderer, but look it up. Israel peaked before David's sin. Noah was used by God when he obeyed God, not when he was drunk in his home. I personally was not particularly aware of Ravi's ministry... being a misionary overseas for much of his career, but my mom liked him. He would have had a much more effective ministry had he not sinned... and kept on sinning. Yes, we all sin everyday, but we don't all lie about our sins or buy private telephones to practice them.
Whenever an accusation is make, an injustice has been done, for either the accuser has been ill-treated or an innocent person has been falsely accused. The best that can be done then is the discovery of the truth, so at least we can know who is the injured party.
Living Our Lives on Earth : Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
"The biggest journey of faith is from the head to the heart." (Not my idea or quote). It's all too true and it's very hard to go from intellectual assent to "heart assent". Men are prone to have an intellectualized faith while living in sin. It's our weakness. Women are more heart centered. Just my two cents.
The failure of Ravi Zacharias as a person can be blame on ALL who surrounded him. I mean, Rav goes to Spa, and nobody notices that he does, numerous times?!? Spa parlors offers home service and Ravi can afford it
@ Jun Acebedo the Scriptures say that EACH MAN SINS WHEN HE IS LURED AND ENTICED BY HIS OWN DESIRE (James 1:13-15). RZ's SIN IS HIS AND HIS ALONE. The blame game of saying that someone else is responsible for my sin is almost as old as sin itself. No one put a gun to RZ's head and forced him to choose sin. THAT'S 100% NOT BIBLICAL!! How about RZ not owning a spa/massage facility because of the potential for sin? Others may have taken part in his sin by not speaking the truth in love to him and/or covering up his wrongdoing. Scripture says to take no part in another man's sin. The test for those left behind will be whether they choose to be loyal to Jesus and repent, even if it's God's will to disband an organization that is tainted by its leader's serious wrongdoing. Or will they follow the worldly and corporate method of saving face, damage control, spin doctoring, public relations, rebranding, and image salvaging? The second option seems to "work" for some churches. But such "churches" are run like corporations and bear little or no resemblance to the Church in Acts of the Apostles. You will never get the awe and respect of the world by following its sordid and sneaky methods.
I know what you’re saying but don’t underestimate the ability of manipulative individuals to con everyone around them. I wouldn’t be surprised if those people around him had no clue what he was up to. They took it for granted that he would never do such things.
@@thelegend21804 True. Which calls into question their relationships with Jesus. We are commanded to speak the truth in love. If l'm being negligent and not sober minded concerning my own problem with sin I also become dull to its operation in the lives of others. Whatever spiritual discernment l have is gradually neutralized. Slothfulness casts one into a deep sleep...
15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? (Matthew 7:15-16, ESV)
Great men of God in Biblical times were different. Look at St Paul and the other Apostles. They didn't have the appreciation and admiration which modern day men of God get. They starved ,ship wrecked ,stoned ,in chains ,beaten ,dragged thru the streets ,beheaded . They didn't co own massage parlours and allowed themselves in to temptation and sin.
Started following him since 1998 when my brother in law gave the CD on "I Issac take Rebecca" to my sister when they got married. Very sad to hear all this
I only heard about this stuff last month before Christmas when RZIM sent out their memo. As I read it I personally wasn't stunned or surprised by it. I've heard Ravi in some of his talks mention about of the temptations he encountered but didn't want to elaborate on them. I guess what I'm trying to say is "Trust in God. Trust in Jesus." because people and things will let you down. So, yeah, I'm disappointed but not mad or discouraged because, in reality, it's about (between) me and God. And no one else.
100 % understandable. This is why the enemy takes aim at church leaders through sexual immorality, greed/love of money, love of the praise of men and women (PRIDE/POWER), love of earthly comfort (pleasure/laziness) AND (making matters even worse) DECEIT OVER SUCH SINS. The enemy is seeking multiple casualties and if he can get a leader to fall he's counting on it having a ripple effect on other believers, especially ones who aren't deeply rooted in the faith. God calls for each us to be responsible and faithful in our own relationship with Jesus. If we look to men we will be disappointed because all of us sin and fall short of the glory of God. It's painful when someone we thought was running well turns aside from the way of righteousness. Paul shed tears over such ones (Philippians 3:18-19). Jesus shed tears over soon-to-be-sacked Jerusalem (Matthew 23:37). JESUS is the one who is the same yesterday and today and forever (Hebrews 13:8). JESUS is the friend who sticks closer than any brother (Proverbs 18:24). I encourage you to LISTEN TO JESUS. He said his sheep hear his voice and will not heed the voice of strangers. I also encourage you to study God's word for yourself and ask for the Holy Spirit to help you to understand it. SPIRITUAL DISCERNMENT is going to be incredibly important in these last days.
Stupidity even on the part of ravi family, As a Christian counsellor i counselled many youth and old people after all the counselling I just conclude briefly ,if a person continues doing masturbation or involved in extra marital activities appropriated to Ravi , the family life collapses first because the spirit involved there is Jezebel it will definitely leads to divorce in a marriage,secondly ministry would be wound up because God said to Adam to take dominion on the planet and God brought woman to help him.take that reverse if Adam is engaged in illicit activities with woman the dominion or the ministry he was doing will windup and result he is a failure in life. If we see Ravi Zachariah the above said things are not there,Ravi has beautiful marriage working, and his ministry is even powerful till the end. Wake up people don’t do mud slinging.
These are distraction, Christian soldier. The evil is aiming at you to create hatred and division. But ignore and move on. Do not let anyone or anything distract you. I couldn't listen to these nonsense because it's doing my head-in. I still love Ravi and listen to him everyday. If the devil doesn't come for you then you're not a child of God. Even after the death of the mighty Prophet Moses, the devil came for him, for his body. If he couldn't have his soul, then at least, he could have his body. The devil's doom is sure. A mighty Fortress is our God!
The word of God says we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against spirits in high places King David who took the life of Uriah struck him down with the sword and took his wife . What if it was on this day how would the people react . The devil hates a dedicated preacher or a man of God who loves the Lord , the spirit of this world would do anything in his power to bring him down .
I am puzzled why when he was alive no one came out to make this allegation against him (although there were but it was shady blackmailing ) When even other well known preachers were shamed and brought down. It is cowardly to accuse or attack a man after he has passed away. What is at stake here that is my question
My dear fellow believers around the world...TAKE IT AS A GREAT WARNING FOR OUR DAILY LIFE. NEXT IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU OR ME. WE NEED TO BE VERY MUCH CAREFUL OF EACH SECONDS OF OUR LIFE. WITHOUT GODS HELP AND GUIDANCE WE CANT OVER COME THIS SIN.
Well said. I pray God helps these women who are victimized… While leaving room for Ravi to be forgiven. The apostle Paul struggled too. We may not know what his sin was but he indeed did things he didn’t want to do and didn’t do the things he should have done.
To everyone who is berating her for not knowing before, please be kind to your fellow believers as Paul was. Nina, I do believe that his life was not all a waste, we can learn from his apologetics. However, there was no mention of being convicted of his sin and desperately needing Jesus in his testimony. He did not condemn catholics and Mormons who do not worship the True Jesus. My dear we cannot trust even our own interpretations. Every word he said must be examined against the infallible Word of God. I strongly but gently encourage you to take a look or listen to grounded pastors and teachers like John MacArthur, Justin Peters, Steve Lawson, RC Sproul, Wretched Radio for proper theology and teaching. At least before rejecting all of them, just search them through and I guarantee you will be strengthened even more, these men are not perfect but they have fought the battles for the authority, sufficiency of Scripture, and are faithful to dividing the Word of Truth. Pastor John MacArthur himself has been teaching faithfully, sound doctrine for 51 years and has been fighting battle after battle that has been thrown at the church since he began . Search Grace to You Ministries. I have grown tremendously from him and the others I mentioned, even though I grew up in a Christian school and listened to many different preachers growing up. I have never found true preaching until I discovered by God's grace, those above. I now have complete clarity in everything theological and doctrinal. I highly encourage you to do the same. God bless
But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner- not even to eat with such a person. For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.” I Corinthians 5:11-13
Ravi was one of my favorites in the late '90's. My first encounter with him was on May 24, 1996 at the Georgia Dome, Atlanta, GA, at a PromiseKeepers conference. Around the year 1999, after the gift of spiritual discernment had been imparted to me the previous year by an evangelist of the CHURCH OF GOD, Cleveland, TN, T.L. Lowery, 1 Corinthians 12:10...l had major concerns about Ravi Zacharias. I encourage every follower of JESUS CHRIST to seek the gifts of the HOLY SPIRIT as mentioned in 1 Corinthians 12, and especially the discernment of spirits and the gift of prophecy. Wouldn't we rather be wise sheep versus foolish sheep? Many popular televangelists who claim to be men and women of GOD today are the ones JESUS and the New Testament writers warned us about. They cautioned us to not be deceived by false prophets, false teachers, false apostles, etc. We need to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. Matthew 10:16 In 2021, there are more false teachers out there than are the true teachers of YESHUA. It is time to wake up!!! We must get ready!!! JESUS IS COMING VERY SOON!!! Shalom Shalom, Art Ellison Thywordistruthministries.com
Ravi likely was accurate in his teachings and many people seem to have benefited from them. Jesus said that the Pharisees were accurate too. So much so that he told his disciples to practice and observe whatever the Pharisees told them BUT NOT WHAT THEY DID (Matthew 23:1-5). As a teacher RZ is held to a higher standard. As James said, those who teach will be judged with greater strictness (James 3:1). Putting pastors/preachers/bishops/deacons/leaders, etc. on a pedestal is a form of idol worship. So many posts l've read about this disturbing situation seem more upset about RZ's reputation and legacy being tainted than how the world attaches our hypocrisy to Jesus Christ!! The sin in unbelievers equates our failures and disobedience with Jesus. As it is written, "On account of you the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles." What about caring whether or not Jesus is being exalted? Currently the focus is on RZ, and rightfully so. But l believe that some responsibility also lies with others who interacted with him daily yet didn't ask and/or insist on honest answers to the hard questions that the Scriptures clearly tell us are issues that need to be addressed. Love of money, love of the praise of men, love of power, love of pleasure (which is often sex-related). If l'm going through such things daily, and, as the Scriptures say, the same experience of suffering is required of my brotherhood throughout the world (1 Peter 5:9, 1 Corinthians 10:13), doesn't it make sense to ask my fellow brothers about whether or not they are winning the battle against such temptations? So why wouldn't l inquire? Because l am likely a slave to some or all of these sins. Don't be surprised if there are other people in RZIM that are entangled in similar situations. They may be doing so more quietly because they don't have the same level of access RZ had. But it's wrongdoing just the same. In James 3 it says that where jealousy and selfish ambition exist there is also disorder and EVERY VILE PRACTICE. The leadership of churches and church organizations sets the tone for what goes on in that body of believers. Here's a statistic worth considering: 70% of professing male believers are trapped by pornography. Without question some of them are in positions of leadership in the church. There's an excellent series of sermons and a book by David Ravenhill called "Surviving the Anointing" that talks about the failure rate of those who go into ministry, and the contributing factors to pastoral burnout.
Well balanced perspective. No need to throw the baby out with the bath-water as difficult as this is to accept, and especially being mindful of those who were victimized in lopsided imbalanced power relationship, where victims are often the most powerless. Yet, if you go back and examined some of the answers Ravi Zacharias provided to deep penetrating questions about God and His interaction with humanity, a fair and open mind can discern that those answers were Holy Spirit led, despite his failings as a human being in certain aspects in his Life. Not unlike Adam who went ahead and presumptuously sin because he couldn't stand the thought of losing Eve; Abraham when he lied about Sarah being his wife, Jacob who name means deceiver - where God had to change it to Israel when he came to his senses. There are others: Samson, David - even the Apostle Paul who was Religious Terrorist and Murderer before being converted. Let's take a balance view.
So talented and so sad! Let this be a lesson to all, especially to those of us who are living double lives. I feel sorry for his family, his staff, and all those innocent victims. Remember "the truth is still the truth" and that we will all be held to account on the day of judgement. Hopefully, he had a deathbed confession. May the Lord have mercy on his soul as he was a great sense of inspiration to me.
He raised my Christian standard I learnt alot & I believe that He stood before God to answer & His advocate Jesus must have pleaded his case. I don't know why this all comes up after his death but what I do know I learnt alot. May God be the ultimate Judge & may we learn fr his mistake if it's true
when you open the door for the devil - just a bit - he comes in and takes over. But you MUST be the one to open that door - that's what Ravi did...... it's not inescapable - not at all.
Nina you're beauty, and that lighting, got you looking extra angelic. feel like I'm watchin the last 4 mins of a episode of touch by an angel. happy holidays!
As a man, who struggled and tried to put and control my sexuality because I grew up Catholic thinking sex was evil messed me up in my 20’s. As 36 year old, I much more understanding where sexuality plays in my life. Lots of men growing up in very strict cultures like Ravi came from must have been taught to be ashamed of their sexuality. I’m not excusing if Ravi did do those things women accuse him of. What should be the response of Christians should force us to realize we are not perfect in our physical bodies. None is alive can be perfect only confess our issues and be born again and renewed of the mind. So that we don’t become slaves to the flesh. Lots of successful men have high sex drives. And lots of these men don’t understand how to get relief. It’s important men to know your body. Why are you walking around tense and sexually frustrated when you can do something about that?? Men there is no shame in desiring sexual intimacy. Just have to understand where it belongs and who you are with. If you have a high drive be with someone with a high sexual drive as well. Lots of men walking around wanting sexual release. So guys let God lead you to find that partner or find a safe legal way of getting that relief. God doesn’t want you to be walking around sexually frustrated. No where in scripture God said you must be a virgin all the days of your life. Read the scriptures about sexual immorality. And avoid those pit falls. And walk in a way where sex will be a blessing to you!! I now I’m more sexually Clear than when I was in my 20’s I don’t struggle with porn like I used to. And my drive is manageable! That’s all God! And you guys can find that freedom too! As a man, I urge you young men to learn while your young. I’m not a women so I can’t tell what a woman sexuality is or how to handle it!
I'd also add that we should get back to looking up to people that we know personally, are easily accessible, and can speak directly into our lives. To many times in Christian circles we elevate people who would otherwise be total strangers to a celebrity status without knowing who they really are.
Hi. To quote your ex professor - You are going to be a wonderful wife :-P But as the Bible says in Phil.2:3, I think, about a humble woman, such quality is hard to find. And you did much justice with the video and your overall approach to the whole RZ scandal. We are going to record a small conversation between three friends as an audio clip as we approach this topic trying to cover the bases from all the corners as we can think of. It is an introspection for many of those who are condemning and cursing RZ for putting their hopes down and calling him names like Wof or Devil etc. There is a great lesson to be learned in this tragedy, for every Christian. in my limited opinion.
Many years ago I was made aware that Satan and his “church” were making it their mission that every Christian pastor fall in sexual sin. God uses his children because of who he is not because of we are. I too am devastated by this news. He may have had a problem with sexual addiction but the word oh God calls it a spirit of list that must be broken I am the x-wife of a man who loved women too much. My heart goes out to Margie and her children. The only place she can go to is to God with this terrible atrocity. Dear God please mend the broken hearts who were damaged and the whines lives who were shattered, please turn ashes into beauty,
Yes let's call it an addiction - sounds much better than "he was a sexual predator"....I'm sure all of his vicims will feel healed by knowing it was an "addiction". Excuses are dangerous.
Nina thank you so much But even if he made those mistakes, I still love Ravi He's like a father to me Remember where Jesus said that let he that is without sin, cast the first stone! It's pathetic how we who claim to be children of this Jesus are casting stones without first of all looking inwards to our own dirty and miserable hearts! I don't say this in spite I love the church I love the body of Christ world wide
Love the message, but remember the messenger is just one of your fellow sinners. Maybe he's a little smoother, a bit more confident, but not much holier.
@Aja Stephen Chinedum Love your comment thats what wana hear , thats true Biblical Now ravi is not alive to defend himself, people trying to make wrong impression of his hard work
@@thecompilation892 He is a Pharisee. Read up the new testament and see how he mirrors the attitudes of the Pharisees. Jesus hates them and never have any kind words for them. He gave them parables that makes no sense. They claim goodness with an attitude of look at me and he confounds them with a higher bar to reach. But when he meets the sinners, he spoke to them simply and with much kindheartedness. No barrier...just go to him. Not the people like Ravi who makes the message difficult.
The things you took the time to say, needed to be said. Hypocrisy is all around us, it's everywhere. We are ALL hypocrites whether we want to believe it or not. One of the troubles in situations like Ravi's is that if the alleged accusations are true where does the failure begin and end? Is it with a relatively good man who was supposedly lonely for whatever reasons, who reached out the wrong way for the pleasures of the flesh and taking advantage of another adult human being and/or is it with the full grown, adult human being who was also feeling lonely and insecure and allowed to be taken advantage of up to a certain point? There are factions out there who would love to see his alleged transgressions be silenced completely and those who would love to see the whole thing destroyed. In the end we are looking at adults who are responsible for their own actions unless they were held captive by force. If these allegations prove to be real then they are real by two parties who were poor in spirit and who allowed this to happen.
Ravi was a liar who took money from the public throughout the world .Abused the woman in hundreds, n the workers who questioned these outright allegations against him.A liar who took money the Thompsons n alleged they were exhortatists etc. For this sin itself Ravi will rot in hell.As A preacher he couldn't continue to sin , an old man 74 yrs old , want to seduce girls in their 20s. It's time, his son n wife owned the truth.May God in his mercy grant them peace.
I will NEVER change my thoughts about Ravi Z. I have listened to him for years and put him at an equal to Billy Graham. Even Billy Graham considered himself a sinner just as the Apostle Paul did. I listened to everyone of Ravi’s teachings - most of them a second or third time. Why do people need to BASH his life publicly when they themselves are probably worse sinners than he. Shame on these people “Hypocrites”. That’s what Jesus would call them. None of this GARBAGE will ever change my mind about one of the PILLARS OF CHRISTIANITY.
Stupidity even on the part of ravi family, As a Christian counsellor i counselled many youth and old people after all the counselling I just conclude briefly ,if a person continues doing masturbation or involved in extra marital activities appropriated to Ravi , the family life collapses first because the spirit involved there is Jezebel it will definitely leads to divorce in a marriage,secondly ministry would be wound up because God said to Adam to take dominion on the planet and God brought woman to help him.take that reverse if Adam is engaged in illicit activities with woman the dominion or the ministry he was doing will windup and result he is a failure in life. If we see Ravi Zachariah the above said things are not there,Ravi has beautiful marriage working, and his ministry is even powerful till the end. Wake up people don’t do mud slinging.
Ravi touching lives spiritually and physically! He's in heaven now accosting the angels. Rip Ravi. Your followers won't care about your victims just your great speeches.
@@sliglusamelius8578 haha, what a loving and non passive aggressive thing to say. You just proved what i said about not caring about his victims, only his speeches. Do you care about his victims? Nope. Are you deluded that hes innocent? Yep
@@IIrandhandleII I get your point and sadly some Christians will do exactly what you said they would. But many of us won’t. We will defend the victims and seek to care and protect others who may be victims.
Yes there was an "independent investigation" done ....and paid for by RZIM. The firm was Miller and Marin. The findings were released on line by RZIM....they have also found some more serious misconduct - and the 2nd part of the investigation finding will be posted sometime in Feb. You can just google and find the first document which says it all.....
"Kingdom of God" advances by his great massages!! Wow! Still a "great man of God"? Let's see. Could we use the race card to pushback against this persecution of RZ? Like white churches vs Indian guru?
It's good to remember David's sins and the fact that after all that, he was still "a man after God's own heart" And also remember the woman caught in adultery and all who were so eager to stone her It seems at times that we are obsessed with sexual sin as the one and only serious sin-forget hatred, lying, coveting, anger-there's only one unpardonable sin and it's sex It could be one of the logs in our own eye that prevent us from removing the speck in our brother's eye
If you want to “remember David’s sins” then at least he repented. We never saw that from Ravi. What we saw was a pattern of lying and misleading statements about his credentials and stories, his lawsuit of Lori Ann Thompson, his manipulation of women for sexual gratification. But no repentance. But it would be more helpful to remember his victims through prayer.
@@sliglusamelius8578 .........If you as a man let an attractive lady lay her hands on your body during a massage, you are as good as done where succumbing to lustful temptation is concerned. The bible tells us that even King David who was called by God in Acts 13:22 as " a man after My own heart " was as good as done just by looking at Bathsheba bathing in the open.
Would really be glad that people would stop talking about David and people from the old testament as an excuse. Now if you claim you know Jesus preach him then hopefully you have the Holy spirit in you and that the old testament fathers didn't have. It's such a sad thing for Christians to get into things like this. My heart goes out for his wife wonder how she went through all this. She was like a battered woman.my sympathies to her and the other women who dealt with this.
Keep studying your bible and stay in prayer, understanding will come. You will find me when you search for me with all of your heart He says. I do feel your sense of loss for Ravi. He truly was used by God to point people to Him. Keep your focus on things above and keep yourself un spotted by the world and you will be accepted. We need to examine ourselves to always be on guard less we fall. The Lord bless you.
As a former papist, best way to describe "philosophy" => fool-sophy. So called "Christian philosophy" is an oxymoron! Holy Spirit who teaches me all things is more than capable of what philosophers are trying to achieve thru philosophy! Jesus Christ says : “I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.” {Revelation 2:20} “When men strive together with one another, and the wife of the one draws near to deliver her husband out of the hand of him who strikes him, and puts forth her hand and takes him by the secret parts, then you shall cut off her hand. Your eye shall not pity.” {Deuteronomy 25:11-12}
romans 3:23 Give us the answer why poor and rich, weak and strong are equally victim of sin. Our part is to love one another as brother and sisters in Christ. 1 john 4:7-8
Didn’t you know, there is and was only one perfect man. The man Jesus Christ.
He was preaching the gospel and he continued sinning. We are told to repent and turn away from our sin it's called sanctification. To not repent is to reject salvation.
@@gillianstewart8442 wrong! Please read Romans chapter 7 Paul struggled with sin while preaching. No we are not to love or live a sinful lifestyle, this walk is about Christ and him alone, that’s why I never put my trust in a sinful man!
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3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness...
See we dont belive in Ravi but we believe in Jesus.
@Yeshua is Lord. Jesus said to people to thrrow first stone if you are sinless, didnt said to throw stone if you are non-adulter
Ravi brought me back to CHRIST .... in sin and 30 years backslidden ,Ravi showed me I didn't need to leave my intellect outside of my theology, I still owe a huge debt of gratitude to Ravi . I am very sorry for his failure but I still love and respect his work for the kingdom of CHRIST.
Sir, that is your maturity which is seriously lacking in the Christian circle no matter the geography.
You don't owe gratitude to anyone but Christ. He should not be idolized. Some messages sent by him may be impacted but thank God for that, not him. He is just a vessel.
You don’t owe anything to him. He was a false teacher and a heretic. And you idolize him?!?! I’ll be praying for you. God bless
And sorry for his victims?
He fell from grace in a big way ! Abused women !! ..how did his wife not know? Those who hid his sins are also fallen ! Those who protected him are sinners! Why do leaders in Christianity with power wield money from gullible folks and create criminal sins. AND he lied xxx times about attendance false professors etc at Cambridge/ Oxford which he didn't attend...even in books ! Was he a psychopath narcissist ? GROS liar abuser !
Yes God used imperfect people who've committed grievous sins. But they've repented.
Yes, very good point!
@@NinaThomas These are all allegations now, when the man has passed on does not make any sense .
He was the greatest Christian Apologist, made a great impact in my life.
Reality is some have and some haven't. God cannot accept sin into heaven as He is perfect. Perfection is attained by repentance and asking God for forgiveness, only He God knows who did or didn't.
@@NinaThomas I wonder if he is heaven now, after all he had faith in Jesus
Heartbreaking..... God deals in truth and justice irrespective.
It's a testimony that God redeems people and situations. I pray for his family and those women that were hurt .
victim victim victim that everyone says, but even repoRTS says that they are just three womens and only one of them agreed to talk about this. and Ravi is not alive to defend himself,
may be Ravi had did a mistake but this overactive propaganda making a wrong image of him
Assuming the allegations are true, it's a shame the investigation didn't happen earlier before his passing. Cuz now, his family has to entirely bear the stress of the ordeal; confronting the allegations and publicly addressing his church regarding what he did should have been Ravi Zacharias's burden to bear, but now he's dumped it on his family. He should have admitted wrongdoing and come clean while he was still alive to make things easier for his family, the RZIM community, and anyone who has followed him over the years.
I feel the same. Think of even the little grandchildren, who thought as their Papa as a pillar, a rock and the example of Godly leadership.
Very true
Stupidity even on the part of ravi family, As a Christian counsellor i counselled many youth and old people after all the counselling I just conclude briefly ,if a person continues doing masturbation or involved in extra marital activities appropriated to Ravi , the family life collapses first because the spirit involved there is Jezebel it will definitely leads to divorce in a marriage,secondly ministry would be wound up because God said to Adam to take dominion on the planet and God brought woman to help him.take that reverse if Adam is engaged in illicit activities with woman the dominion or the ministry he was doing will windup and result he is a failure in life. If we see Ravi Zachariah the above said things are not there,Ravi has beautiful marriage working, and his ministry is even powerful till the end.
Wake up people don’t do mud slinging.
It is not fair neither good for his family to face these allegations because he is not here to answer. My prayers goes for his family and friends. I loved his preachings and teachings, it is the word of God, he was just a vessel. We are all responsible for what we do, and we will all answer one day to our maker.
All of us should be pointing the finger at ourselves Things you did Or just like whatever buddy else is done send us in And I'm very sure that happy Ask for forgiveness And god being is merciful and gracious as he is through lord Jesus Christ forgive him
Bangkok, Thailand was his favorite destination. Doesn't take a genius to hear that bell. My peace was disturbed then. But now it all makes more sense.
many of pastor goes to Bangkok to preach, as Jesus Goes between sinnERS to change them
It's possible to go there legitimately, but he lived without accountability and had an apartment there, etc. So upsetting and heartbreaking. Why didn't the C&MA make sure he was. accountable?
The situation with Ravi is a great example of why God gave us the guidelines of proper leadership and church discipline for those in the church who breach His design. Most churches do not utilize church discipline. It is for the betterment of all involved to call evil, evil and good, good, especially the 'leaders.'
I'd like to know what God's design for the church was in his own words, as all I can see in the bible is hearsay.
Another reminder from heaven that the man of God is not God. 🍞🍯
"He who is withOUT sin, let him/ her Cast the FIRST stone."
The churchworld in general, is THICK with sin, and like sev-
eral wise Christians have said in these comments---The LORD
is "CLEANING HOUSE," mark my words. The rapture of the
Church draws near, but it isn't going ANYwhere until we shed
some undesirable POUNDS. Let us not simply "Sit on the
Fences," but rather, become more ( Spiritually ) Proactive.
We are ALL implicated. Just call on HIM!
GOD bless.
We are all implicated . Amen to that. Lord , have mercy on us all.
He who is with out sin ,let him throw the first stone. Jesus said it to the hypocritical men who brought a woman who became a sinner because of some of them. She is humble ,acknowledges her sin and converts. Most probably she is Mary of Bethany. You see her sitting at the feet of Jesus washing His feet with her tears ! Simon the host refuses to accept her converted state. Ravi Zach is not like that. A super christian receiving everybodys adoration yet living in sin . He is a false shepherd and it is our fault that we put men like Billy Graham and Ravi on this high pedastal. This is not the Biblical pattern . Jesus chose humble fishermen and Paul a murder to be the Apostles so that the power of God is manifested through them. Paul, though a Scholar was not eloquent like Billy and Ravi.
Well said, we need to focus of our own lives and put all our hope in the only perfect.. Jesus Christ
James 3:1 "Not many of you should become teachers my fellow believers, because you know we will be judged more strictly "
@@susammageorge1128 15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? (Matthew 7:15-16, ESV)
Most of the words he said were wrong, for instance, he gave himself the title of doctor, when all he had was a masters degree.
He claimed to have been invited to Oxford and Cambridge universities as a visiting scholar, when he went to organisations in those towns that were not part of their universities.
He put out so many lies, but his Christian followers paid no attention.
Part of not putting people on a pedestal (which you mentioned) is that churches and other ministries should have processes in place by which leaders can be disciplined. The fact that Ravi's daughter was president of the board, and his wife was on the board, should have been a big red-flag. That might be OK for a small non-profit with only half a dozen employees, but RZIM is an international organization and I'm assuming has at least hundreds of employees at this point. There's no reason to have one family dominating the board at that point.
Excellent point. That really was a big red flag. At this point, his wife and daughter are now having to suffer the brunt of the humiliation of what he did and surely will be regretting their involvement.
His lifestyle was funded by the donors.
Just as the ancients declared _"in vino veritas"_ (in wine, there is truth. I.e., when someone is drunk, he reveals his true thoughts), so having power tests character -- and many fail that test.
We have to be careful not to put people on a pedestal. No one is perfect. This is just a terrible situation. Abuse of power is horrible. Especially in the church because people's souls are literally at stake. Sexual assault, and really any type of sexual misconduct, is one of the worst crimes in my mind.
Agree 100%!
I have this question in my mind is this👈🏽. Why would a so called man of God have massage spas🤔? A man should only be touch by his wife or a wife by her husband🙏🏼. When you get into situations like that, it's a receipt for danger. I'm a Christian brother, and just because were christians doesn't mean were not in a fight for our very souls. Satan will tempt and come after us christians more than unbelievers. I've owned a few books by Ravi, I have to be careful of the content now. Cause if his heart was perverted, his work might be tainted as well. It's like with music, the heart of the author goes into him or her that's making the music. Remember the story of King Saul with the evil spirit and King David "1 Samuel 16:14-23". An King David had to play the harp to drive the evil spirit out. Remember this, if you can play an evil spirit out, you can play one into a man's or woman's soul as well. Listening to corrupt music can do the samething. An author who writes christian books puts his or her heart into it. So wherever a man's heart is, so is his work🙏🏽🇮🇱🌎🌍👑
Totally agree- it would have been horrible if he had an affair but he really used the ministry to prey upon vulnerable women
Men live and die ,they don't resurrect themselves but Jesus did.His word is the truth! Ravi was gifted with wisdom but he squandered it with fame..., i still believe his faith in Christ is true,but worldly life and fame are enemies of spiritual leadership.Our pastors, preachers, spiritual leaders should remind themselves that they cannot serve God and mammon same time.
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This hypocrite was confronted and refused to admit his evil ways and adamantly denied the charges. Fuck that asshole. I was calling him out as a misogynist for years. Now you imbeciles can see the true picture.
Let God be true and every man a liar. God is holy and we are sinners in need of his grace.
Nuff said!
My first video. Well done. Need to deal with the hipocrisy though-an atheist
Everyone fails. Too much social climbing and holy hierarchy in the evangelical church and worship of “ Godliness” leads to hiding of our true broken humanity. We are all the same we just are afflicted with different problems and battles. To know all is to understand all. The victims of this betrayal of trust need the body of Christ to give immediate help, support and love to recover and heal. This is an opportunity for the church to gain a deeper more loving compassionate understanding of what creates this kind of situation and how we can try to prevent it being recreated in the future. The family of Ravi need so much love right now.
Vengeance is mine saith the Lord, he will repay. Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith 👍👍👍
thank you for creating a safe space to process this situation!
No problem 🥺
It wouldn’t be ‘safe’ to employed as a massage therapist to this hypocrite.
@@toninewilson651 ... says the person who is NOT a hypocrite or has ever been! 🙄
Thank you for sharing your thoughts Nina, I find this very hard to process. I always felt it was strange how much he talked about himself, but his ministry was an encouragement to me in my early years of walking with God, so it is just very sad. I feel for his family! I hope the allegations are not true, but it doesn’t look good :(
It’s hard to process! You’re not alone in struggling with this news.
Stupidity even on the part of ravi family, As a Christian counsellor i counselled many youth and old people after all the counselling I just conclude briefly ,if a person continues doing masturbation or involved in extra marital activities appropriated to Ravi , the family life collapses first because the spirit involved there is Jezebel it will definitely leads to divorce in a marriage,secondly ministry would be wound up because God said to Adam to take dominion on the planet and God brought woman to help him.take that reverse if Adam is engaged in illicit activities with woman the dominion or the ministry he was doing will windup and result he is a failure in life. If we see Ravi Zachariah the above said things are not there,Ravi has beautiful marriage working, and his ministry is even powerful till the end.
Wake up people don’t do mud slinging.
I have become obsessed with this topic, I hate having this doubt about Ravi in my head now.
Meiere Christi. I hope your kidding?
Stupidity even on the part of ravi family, As a Christian counsellor i counselled many youth and old people after all the counselling I just conclude briefly ,if a person continues doing masturbation or involved in extra marital activities appropriated to Ravi , the family life collapses first because the spirit involved there is Jezebel it will definitely leads to divorce in a marriage,secondly ministry would be wound up because God said to Adam to take dominion on the planet and God brought woman to help him.take that reverse if Adam is engaged in illicit activities with woman the dominion or the ministry he was doing will windup and result he is a failure in life. If we see Ravi Zachariah the above said things are not there,Ravi has beautiful marriage working, and his ministry is even powerful till the end.
Wake up people don’t do mud slinging.
Ravi also lied about having 3 doctorate degrees, being a visiting scholar at Cambridge, being a senior research fellow at Oxford, and finally being a chairman at the Alliance Theological Seminary. These academic credentials were listed on his website for a very long time but finally taken down and he himself talked about these accolades in numerous videos as well.....its pretty clear this man loved to deceive.....prayers for the victims!
Yes, you’re right...a lot of people don’t realize what he did regarding his academic credentials. Those were big red flags!
Wow this something new. This leads me to believe he traveled all around the world under a cloak of evil intent all along😓 Satan knows scripture too. If he were so lonely he could have stopped traveling stayed home he had many options, but chose to be a sexual predator. Wow😥
He never practiced what he preached.
@@thelegend21804 ... “With the measure that you mete, it shall be measured to you.” -Jesus Christ.
@@ruthisrael1292 “With the measure that you mete, it shall be measured to you.” -Jesus Christ.
Let's focus on God not man. We christians know that the enemy hates us so he is going to do everything to make us doubt God and he can even use fellow christians to shake our faith. Let's continue to pray for each other. We are still in our sinful nature so we are capable of sinning, let's grow our spiritual nature more.
I'm confused with all this !! Ravi was such a gifted man but I guess that we need to focus our eyes on Jesus the Author and finisher of our faith.I pray for the women that were affected and his family and friends that God will help them through this mess. Faithfulness in a marriage is what God desires !...I can only hope that Ravi truly repented and that God forgave him..Sexual sins really grieve the Holy spirit repent ,confess and seek God's cleansing ..
We deceive ourselves if we say we have no sin and the truth is not in us but if we confess our sin He is faithful to forgive us our sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Really lovely presentation and measured in content ....GB you
“Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
Matthew 7:22-23 KJV
Great way to take scripture out of context. What "work" did Ravi confess to earning him a spot in heaven? Because that scripture is all about "Cain's" sacrifice and not how God deals with sin. Remember Moses? Equalled himself to God, died and was buried but seen on the mount of transfiguration? Remarkable how Christians today want to condemn as Sadducees and Pharisees but not respond gracefully.
Correct, J. Thomas. These modern-day Pharisees [GV] are quick to jump on the bandwagon with they’re scriptures out of context. What they don’t realize is that Ravi trusting in Christ’s sacrifice for his salvation. Obviously many of these, Arminians, think that a man’s failures, are greater than the blood of Jesus who forgave them! It’s an easy thing to charge people with sin after they’re dead and can’t defend themselves. But, even so, Jesus blood is Ravi’s defense. [and that says nothing about his guilt or innocence in these allegations].
Because of course, you don’t work and “iniquity,” right Guillermo Valverde? Or is the blood of Jesus your grace for your own corruption (which you don’t obviously acknowledge)?
15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? (Matthew 7:15-16, ESV)
@@meandover7921 15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? (Matthew 7:15-16, ESV)
Didn't watch the whole video, and didn't look in Ravi's allegations, but I heard you say that Ravi doesn't deserve the assumption of innocence. Firstly, assumption of innocence is always the way to go until proven otherwise. Secondly, the Bible says to only condemn an elder with 2 or more witnesses. Elders have higher responsibility, authority, and honor. People in those positions need higher defenses, because everyone wants to tear them down, doubly so the devil.
It's all been proven by an independant investigation firm - hired by RZIM. It's true and we all must face it. Let's not make excuses for a sexual deviant, a liar and a cheat. It is what it is - ...the truth shall set you free.
@Deborah Faith Thompson because the main thing that bothered me was the lack of assumption of Innocence, but it's been 4 weeks since then, so I don't remember much. Also we live in an era where people just throw out accusations, so personally I'm growing tired of having to look into this kinda thing.
perhaps this is a fitting closure to 2020, a year in which i firmly believe god has been 'undoing church'... as in, delivering us from the systems we have been a part of, tolerated, embraced and supported and championed even. jesus is lord. not pastors or priests, not ministry leaders, not mr zacharias. and holy spirit is our life. not any system, even 'the church'.
the Church is the body of Christ not an organization or buildings. that is where many people get it wrong. they put so much trust in the man preaching they forget that it is Jesus that is the one who is in the man doing the preaching and as long as that man allows Jesus to do so great. it is when that man falls and looses hold of Jesus that things go wrong. we do not know if Ravi repented and will be saved or if he will be lost. no one knows, only Jesus. people should stop the SIN of GOSSIPING or they will be beating Ravi into hell fire. as many have already declared, only Jesus has not sinned, only Jesus is perfect, the man God who died for us. it will be interesting when all is finally over who will be in the kingdom and who will not. how many more have hidden well stood arounded sins, pet sins they hold near and dear to their hearts. I hope that Ravi repented and was delivered from his sins before he died. we will know at the last days. Glory to God and Jesus Christ His Son Who along is worthy to be praised.
The unfortunate circumstance is that non-Christians will Christian-bash more. We must focus on Jesus and look for someone else to replace Ravi if needed. They will know we are Christian by our love, so we must not just teach but obey Christ's teachings and seek justice for all victims.
The man was a misogynistic pig. Fuck him and the jesus donkey he rode in on. What a pretentious hypocrite.
Temple was still standing even when Solomon fell. Church is holy, it does not matter who did what..
Glory be to God alone.. And it's always will be.. Amen. Hallelujah 🙌
It does matter, the multiple women who came forward were traumatized, victimized, sexualized against their will multiple times.
Allegations were made back in 2017...Ravi should have stepped down from RZIM and repented.
www.christianitytoday.com/news/2020/september/ravi-zacharias-sexual-harassment-rzim-spa-massage-investiga.html
Well said
It matters to God - "who did what"..... trust in that.... Ravi will answer.
If it’s True, Let’s Forgive & Move on, God be the Judge..Be Strong and Courageous, Focus on Lord Jesus. Very painful deep inside,.
„Move on“ is ignorant to the women who were abused and who are still being abused by men in power in churches.
The point is Nina, King David accepted and he had regrets that he had cause harmed many people. But Ravi didn’t seem to come down from that position and fame and be willing to humble himself before the lord, he didn’t seem to ask for forgiveness, he seemed more concerned about hiding his iniquity even after coming to light, he threatened to commit suicide. Please don’t try to make this look like less of an issue. The harm and damage such people cause to who trust them are immense, I’ve been a victim myself on online grooming via text. I didn’t not have a healthy father. It caused me psychological damage. Though it wasn’t sexual, but it did cause me damage and it’s been couple of years now, I can only imagine what a sexual grooming can do. This is evil, I am 100% convinced Ravi was a narcissist. I even doubt his salvation.
David's public repentance vs Ravi's continued secret life
In addition to grooming he was grabbing women. Devastating
David repented but people tend to omit that his family life was destroyed by his sin. God gave him grace but he also reaped what he sowed. He chased the fleeting pleasures of sin, breaking all ten commandments in the process. His life was never the same afterwards.
Very true
Apparently Ravi didn't have a Nathan.
Where were these people while he was alive ??? This aligations has no value. Satan knows that Ravi's messages are still transforming people.
He claimed he went to Oxford and that he had a degree which he said many many times, it was a lie unfortunately. There was something very wrong with him, he also lied aabout another credential. I just dont get it
This not time to theologise, but to repent from idolising people. My prayers are with the victims of Ravi's crimes. I pray that the RZIM Trust will sell all their assets and give it to the poor. God have mercy on us all.
Thank you for the candid and well thought out challenge that God has allowed for ALL of us to struggle thru.
I believe that Mike Winger's 2 hour report on the investigation & documentation.. "Ravi Z..Where do we go from here?" gives a professional's insight as a domestic violence counselor into the intense nature of Mr. Z's character flaws. It helps to understand the facts.
A man may sink by such slow degrees that, long after he is a devil, he may go on being a good churchman or a good dissenter and thinking himself a good Christian.
- George MacDonald
I've heard Dr. Ravi Zacharias quote this across several of his teachings
Whatever He (Ravi) did or did not do, the important thing to remember is that ALL have sinned and fall short...I am reminded of this verse in 1 Cor. 5:5
"deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the Day of the Lord Jesus."
Ravi Zacharias still stands as one of the most powerful contenders for the Faith in this contemporary age! Know that there was only one man who walked upon this Earth, that was completely without Sin.. The Christ Jesus!!! Hallelujah & Amen! Worthy is the Lamb ❣️💪👆
Stupidity even on the part of ravi family, As a Christian counsellor i counselled many youth and old people after all the counselling I just conclude briefly ,if a person continues doing masturbation or involved in extra marital activities appropriated to Ravi , the family life collapses first because the spirit involved there is Jezebel it will definitely leads to divorce in a marriage,secondly ministry would be wound up because God said to Adam to take dominion on the planet and God brought woman to help him.take that reverse if Adam is engaged in illicit activities with woman the dominion or the ministry he was doing will windup and result he is a failure in life. If we see Ravi Zachariah the above said things are not there,Ravi has beautiful marriage working, and his ministry is even powerful till the end.
Wake up people don’t do mud slinging.
Apart from sexual sing, what about all the lies?
spiritualsoundingboard.com/2020/05/12/before-evangelicals-canonize-ravi-zacharias-will-they-learn-from-jean-vanier-and-larche/
David was a murderer and committed adultery BUT he was confronted and he did repent!
Ravi still will remain one of my favourite expositors of the Christian faith. That doesn't change one iota!!!
That’s because you’re a fucking idiot.
Yes, David was a murderer, but look it up. Israel peaked before David's sin. Noah was used by God when he obeyed God, not when he was drunk in his home. I personally was not particularly aware of Ravi's ministry... being a misionary overseas for much of his career, but my mom liked him. He would have had a much more effective ministry had he not sinned... and kept on sinning. Yes, we all sin everyday, but we don't all lie about our sins or buy private telephones to practice them.
Ravi didn't fall short, he fell long. Sex trafficking is a crime.
Whenever an accusation is make, an injustice has been done, for either the accuser has been ill-treated or an innocent person has been falsely accused.
The best that can be done then is the discovery of the truth, so at least we can know who is the injured party.
Living Our Lives on Earth :
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
"The biggest journey of faith is from the head to the heart." (Not my idea or quote). It's all too true and it's very hard to go from intellectual assent to "heart assent". Men are prone to have an intellectualized faith while living in sin. It's our weakness. Women are more heart centered. Just my two cents.
It's so much easier to constantly judge others rather than to look in the mirror once in awhile.
And as someone who has done both....
But there is a difference between telling the truth and “hypocritically judging”
The failure of Ravi Zacharias as a person can be blame on ALL who surrounded him. I mean, Rav goes to Spa, and nobody notices that he does, numerous times?!? Spa parlors offers home service and Ravi can afford it
@ Jun Acebedo the Scriptures say that EACH MAN SINS WHEN HE IS LURED AND ENTICED BY HIS OWN DESIRE (James 1:13-15). RZ's SIN IS HIS AND HIS ALONE. The blame game of saying that someone else is responsible for my sin is almost as old as sin itself. No one put a gun to RZ's head and forced him to choose sin. THAT'S 100% NOT BIBLICAL!! How about RZ not owning a spa/massage facility because of the potential for sin?
Others may have taken part in his sin by not speaking the truth in love to him and/or covering up his wrongdoing. Scripture says to take no part in another man's sin.
The test for those left behind will be whether they choose to be loyal to Jesus and repent, even if it's God's will to disband an organization that is tainted by its leader's serious wrongdoing. Or will they follow the worldly and corporate method of saving face, damage control, spin doctoring, public relations, rebranding, and image salvaging? The second option seems to "work" for some churches. But such "churches" are run like corporations and bear little or no resemblance to the Church in Acts of the Apostles.
You will never get the awe and respect of the world by following its sordid and sneaky methods.
I know what you’re saying but don’t underestimate the ability of manipulative individuals to con everyone around them. I wouldn’t be surprised if those people around him had no clue what he was up to. They took it for granted that he would never do such things.
@@thelegend21804 True. Which calls into question their relationships with Jesus. We are commanded to speak the truth in love. If l'm being negligent and not sober minded concerning my own problem with sin I also become dull to its operation in the lives of others. Whatever spiritual discernment l have is gradually neutralized. Slothfulness casts one into a deep sleep...
15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? (Matthew 7:15-16, ESV)
Great men of God in Biblical times were different. Look at St Paul and the other Apostles. They didn't have the appreciation and admiration which modern day men of God get. They starved ,ship wrecked ,stoned ,in chains ,beaten ,dragged thru the streets ,beheaded . They didn't co own massage parlours and allowed themselves in to temptation and sin.
Is that why Paul rebuked Peter?
Started following him since 1998 when my brother in law gave the CD on "I Issac take Rebecca" to my sister when they got married.
Very sad to hear all this
I only heard about this stuff last month before Christmas when RZIM sent out their memo. As I read it I personally wasn't stunned or surprised by it. I've heard Ravi in some of his talks mention about of the temptations he encountered but didn't want to elaborate on them. I guess what I'm trying to say is "Trust in God. Trust in Jesus." because people and things will let you down. So, yeah, I'm disappointed but not mad or discouraged because, in reality, it's about (between) me and God. And no one else.
I’m struggling to listen to him anymore which is sad 😔
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100 % understandable. This is why the enemy takes aim at church leaders through sexual immorality, greed/love of money, love of the praise of men and women (PRIDE/POWER), love of earthly comfort (pleasure/laziness) AND (making matters even worse) DECEIT OVER SUCH SINS. The enemy is seeking multiple casualties and if he can get a leader to fall he's counting on it having a ripple effect on other believers, especially ones who aren't deeply rooted in the faith. God calls for each us to be responsible and faithful in our own relationship with Jesus. If we look to men we will be disappointed because all of us sin and fall short of the glory of God. It's painful when someone we thought was running well turns aside from the way of righteousness. Paul shed tears over such ones (Philippians 3:18-19). Jesus shed tears over soon-to-be-sacked Jerusalem (Matthew 23:37). JESUS is the one who is the same yesterday and today and forever (Hebrews 13:8). JESUS is the friend who sticks closer than any brother (Proverbs 18:24). I encourage you to LISTEN TO JESUS. He said his sheep hear his voice and will not heed the voice of strangers. I also encourage you to study God's word for yourself and ask for the Holy Spirit to help you to understand it. SPIRITUAL DISCERNMENT is going to be incredibly important in these last days.
Stupidity even on the part of ravi family, As a Christian counsellor i counselled many youth and old people after all the counselling I just conclude briefly ,if a person continues doing masturbation or involved in extra marital activities appropriated to Ravi , the family life collapses first because the spirit involved there is Jezebel it will definitely leads to divorce in a marriage,secondly ministry would be wound up because God said to Adam to take dominion on the planet and God brought woman to help him.take that reverse if Adam is engaged in illicit activities with woman the dominion or the ministry he was doing will windup and result he is a failure in life. If we see Ravi Zachariah the above said things are not there,Ravi has beautiful marriage working, and his ministry is even powerful till the end.
Wake up people don’t do mud slinging.
These are distraction, Christian soldier. The evil is aiming at you to create hatred and division. But ignore and move on. Do not let anyone or anything distract you.
I couldn't listen to these nonsense because it's doing my head-in. I still love Ravi and listen to him everyday.
If the devil doesn't come for you then you're not a child of God.
Even after the death of the mighty Prophet Moses, the devil came for him, for his body. If he couldn't have his soul, then at least, he could have his body. The devil's doom is sure.
A mighty Fortress is our God!
I understand, I am Deeply Hurt Inside , Our focus on Lord Jesus Christ. Pray and Forgive .
The word of God says we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against spirits in high places King David who took the life of Uriah struck him down with the sword and took his wife . What if it was on this day how would the people react . The devil hates a dedicated preacher or a man of God who loves the Lord , the spirit of this world would do anything in his power to bring him down .
Anyone can fall from grace if we let it happen so as a Christians we must always be on guard from temptations !
I am puzzled why when he was alive no one came out to make this allegation against him (although there were but it was shady blackmailing )
When even other well known preachers were shamed and brought down.
It is cowardly to accuse or attack a man after he has passed away.
What is at stake here that is my question
check out Mike Wenger’s explns
ONLY JESUS IS PERFECT, NO HUMAN IS PERFECT AND WITHOUT SIN.
I refuse to believe he abused anyone - God bless Ravi, RZIM, and his precious family ♥️
Jenni I know it is painful, but did you read the Miller and Martin report that RZIM shared a few weeks ago?
@ Autumn Some just want to ignore the truth.
Great one Nina. Power to you.
Thank you!
Oh now , Nina the gossiper is a Great one? She has the Power, she’ll soon be luring young men to her web.
My dear fellow believers around the world...TAKE IT AS A GREAT WARNING FOR OUR DAILY LIFE. NEXT IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU OR ME. WE NEED TO BE VERY MUCH CAREFUL OF EACH SECONDS OF OUR LIFE. WITHOUT GODS HELP AND GUIDANCE WE CANT OVER COME THIS SIN.
Do what they preach and don't do what they do.
Ah I am so happy that I found your channel. God bless you💫
Best be careful there, I’m sure the same was said to Ravi, can you take that back now? Ha
Disappointing and sad, thanks for the video.
He that hath departed from us is God's property and His is judgement. Ours is the business to cleanse one's own corruption within.
Well said. I pray God helps these women who are victimized… While leaving room for Ravi to be forgiven. The apostle Paul struggled too. We may not know what his sin was but he indeed did things he didn’t want to do and didn’t do the things he should have done.
He did fail. But God did act though him. And God's mercy be upon his soul. Thank you for confronting this.
I still listen his messages sermon and try to learn and trying to be doer of what the Word say. This is time what he missed I do.
To everyone who is berating her for not knowing before, please be kind to your fellow believers as Paul was.
Nina, I do believe that his life was not all a waste, we can learn from his apologetics. However, there was no mention of being convicted of his sin and desperately needing Jesus in his testimony. He did not condemn catholics and Mormons who do not worship the True Jesus. My dear we cannot trust even our own interpretations. Every word he said must be examined against the infallible Word of God.
I strongly but gently encourage you to take a look or listen to grounded pastors and teachers like John MacArthur, Justin Peters, Steve Lawson, RC Sproul, Wretched Radio for proper theology and teaching.
At least before rejecting all of them, just search them through and I guarantee you will be strengthened even more, these men are not perfect but they have fought the battles for the authority, sufficiency of Scripture, and are faithful to dividing the Word of Truth. Pastor John MacArthur himself has been teaching faithfully, sound doctrine for 51 years and has been fighting battle after battle that has been thrown at the church since he began . Search Grace to You Ministries. I have grown tremendously from him and the others I mentioned, even though I grew up in a Christian school and listened to many different preachers growing up. I have never found true preaching until I discovered by God's grace, those above. I now have complete clarity in everything theological and doctrinal. I highly encourage you to do the same. God bless
Thoughtful analysis Nina...very sad situation indeed
It is a sad situation. :( Thank you for taking the time to comment, Bobby!
But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner- not even to eat with such a person.
For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges.
Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”
I Corinthians 5:11-13
Good thoughts. God bless!
Thanks, you too!
Ravi was one of my favorites in the late '90's. My first encounter with him was on May 24, 1996 at the Georgia Dome, Atlanta, GA, at a
PromiseKeepers conference.
Around the year 1999, after the gift of spiritual discernment had been imparted to me the previous year by an evangelist of the CHURCH OF GOD, Cleveland, TN, T.L. Lowery,
1 Corinthians 12:10...l had major concerns about Ravi Zacharias.
I encourage every follower of
JESUS CHRIST to seek the gifts of the HOLY SPIRIT as mentioned in
1 Corinthians 12, and especially
the discernment of spirits and the gift of prophecy. Wouldn't we rather be wise sheep versus foolish sheep?
Many popular televangelists who claim to be men and women of GOD
today are the ones JESUS and the
New Testament writers warned us about. They cautioned us to not be deceived by false prophets, false teachers, false apostles, etc. We need to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. Matthew 10:16
In 2021, there are more false teachers out there than are the true teachers of YESHUA. It is time to wake up!!! We must get ready!!!
JESUS IS COMING VERY SOON!!!
Shalom Shalom,
Art Ellison
Thywordistruthministries.com
Not even the holy spirit could have supressed Ravis' desire for women....shame!
Ravi likely was accurate in his teachings and many people seem to have benefited from them. Jesus said that the Pharisees were accurate too. So much so that he told his disciples to practice and observe whatever the Pharisees told them BUT NOT WHAT THEY DID (Matthew 23:1-5).
As a teacher RZ is held to a higher standard. As James said, those who teach will be judged with greater strictness (James 3:1). Putting pastors/preachers/bishops/deacons/leaders, etc. on a pedestal is a form of idol worship. So many posts l've read about this disturbing situation seem more upset about RZ's reputation and legacy being tainted than how the world attaches our hypocrisy to Jesus Christ!! The sin in unbelievers equates our failures and disobedience with Jesus. As it is written, "On account of you the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles." What about caring whether or not Jesus is being exalted?
Currently the focus is on RZ, and rightfully so. But l believe that some responsibility also lies with others who interacted with him daily yet didn't ask and/or insist on honest answers to the hard questions that the Scriptures clearly tell us are issues that need to be addressed.
Love of money, love of the praise of men, love of power, love of pleasure (which is often sex-related). If l'm going through such things daily, and, as the Scriptures say, the same experience of suffering is required of my brotherhood throughout the world (1 Peter 5:9, 1 Corinthians 10:13), doesn't it make sense to ask my fellow brothers about whether or not they are winning the battle against such temptations?
So why wouldn't l inquire? Because l am likely a slave to some or all of these sins. Don't be surprised if there are other people in RZIM that are entangled in similar situations. They may be doing so more quietly because they don't have the same level of access RZ had. But it's wrongdoing just the same. In James 3 it says that where jealousy and selfish ambition exist there is also disorder and EVERY VILE PRACTICE. The leadership of churches and church organizations sets the tone for what goes on in that body of believers.
Here's a statistic worth considering: 70% of professing male believers are trapped by pornography. Without question some of them are in positions of leadership in the church. There's an excellent series of sermons and a book by David Ravenhill called "Surviving the Anointing" that talks about the failure rate of those who go into ministry, and the contributing factors to pastoral burnout.
Well balanced perspective. No need to throw the baby out with the bath-water as difficult as this is to accept, and especially being mindful of those who were victimized in lopsided imbalanced power relationship, where victims are often the most powerless. Yet, if you go back and examined some of the answers Ravi Zacharias provided to deep penetrating questions about God and His interaction with humanity, a fair and open mind can discern that those answers were Holy Spirit led, despite his failings as a human being in certain aspects in his Life. Not unlike Adam who went ahead and presumptuously sin because he couldn't stand the thought of losing Eve; Abraham when he lied about Sarah being his wife, Jacob who name means deceiver - where God had to change it to Israel when he came to his senses. There are others: Samson, David - even the Apostle Paul who was Religious Terrorist and Murderer before being converted. Let's take a balance view.
Jesus powerfully said. I the Lord will judge who I will. But of you, it's required to forgive all men.
So talented and so sad! Let this be a lesson to all, especially to those of us who are living double lives. I feel sorry for his family, his staff, and all those innocent victims. Remember "the truth is still the truth" and that we will all be held to account on the day of judgement. Hopefully, he had a deathbed confession. May the Lord have mercy on his soul as he was a great sense of inspiration to me.
I still do not judge him. He was a teacher. He never abused me, only taught me. I do not know the whole story. I do believe the allegations.
All have sinned and fallen short of Gods glory, none of us have the right to cast stones. Ravi did much work for the kingdom.
He raised my Christian standard I learnt alot & I believe that He stood before God to answer & His advocate Jesus must have pleaded his case. I don't know why this all comes up after his death but what I do know I learnt alot. May God be the ultimate Judge & may we learn fr his mistake if it's true
The lure of sexual sin is almost inescapable.
@David Ruprecht Let's not forget about Abraham and his vile mistreatment of Hagar (I would actually call it rqpe).
when you open the door for the devil - just a bit - he comes in and takes over. But you MUST be the one to open that door - that's what Ravi did...... it's not inescapable - not at all.
Nina you're beauty, and that lighting, got you looking extra angelic. feel like I'm watchin the last 4 mins of a episode of touch by an angel. happy holidays!
Thank you!
Watch the content, not her.
He can watch what he wants
@@noahpattar78 he did both
@@noahpattar78 simp
As a man, who struggled and tried to put and control my sexuality because I grew up Catholic thinking sex was evil messed me up in my 20’s. As 36 year old, I much more understanding where sexuality plays in my life. Lots of men growing up in very strict cultures like Ravi came from must have been taught to be ashamed of their sexuality. I’m not excusing if Ravi did do those things women accuse him of. What should be the response of Christians should force us to realize we are not perfect in our physical bodies. None is alive can be perfect only confess our issues and be born again and renewed of the mind. So that we don’t become slaves to the flesh. Lots of successful men have high sex drives. And lots of these men don’t understand how to get relief. It’s important men to know your body. Why are you walking around tense and sexually frustrated when you can do something about that?? Men there is no shame in desiring sexual intimacy. Just have to understand where it belongs and who you are with. If you have a high drive be with someone with a high sexual drive as well. Lots of men walking around wanting sexual release. So guys let God lead you to find that partner or find a safe legal way of getting that relief. God doesn’t want you to be walking around sexually frustrated. No where in scripture God said you must be a virgin all the days of your life. Read the scriptures about sexual immorality. And avoid those pit falls. And walk in a way where sex will be a blessing to you!! I now I’m more sexually Clear than when I was in my 20’s I don’t struggle with porn like I used to. And my drive is manageable! That’s all God! And you guys can find that freedom too! As a man, I urge you young men to learn while your young. I’m not a women so I can’t tell what a woman sexuality is or how to handle it!
Update from Rzim Ministry about the allegations:
www.rzim.org/read/rzim-updates/update-from-rzim-board-allegations-against-ravi-zacharias
www.christianitytoday.com/news/2020/september/ravi-zacharias-sexual-harassment-rzim-spa-massage-investiga.html
Thanks Nina..... there are many who need to see this.....
I still love Ravi and believe he was a man used by God. He was a sinner like me, let God be his judge
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Amen 🙏🙏
I'd also add that we should get back to looking up to people that we know personally, are easily accessible, and can speak directly into our lives. To many times in Christian circles we elevate people who would otherwise be total strangers to a celebrity status without knowing who they really are.
Hi. To quote your ex professor - You are going to be a wonderful wife :-P But as the Bible says in Phil.2:3, I think, about a humble woman, such quality is hard to find. And you did much justice with the video and your overall approach to the whole RZ scandal. We are going to record a small conversation between three friends as an audio clip as we approach this topic trying to cover the bases from all the corners as we can think of. It is an introspection for many of those who are condemning and cursing RZ for putting their hopes down and calling him names like Wof or Devil etc. There is a great lesson to be learned in this tragedy, for every Christian. in my limited opinion.
We all are on the edge of exposing our darkness.
Many years ago I was made aware that Satan and his “church” were making it their mission that every Christian pastor fall in sexual sin. God uses his children because of who he is not because of we are.
I too am devastated by this news. He may have had a problem with sexual addiction but the word oh God calls it a spirit of list that must be broken I am the x-wife of a man who loved women too much. My heart goes out to Margie and her children. The only place she can go to is to God with this terrible atrocity.
Dear God please mend the broken hearts who were damaged and the whines lives who were shattered, please turn ashes into beauty,
Yes let's call it an addiction - sounds much better than "he was a sexual predator"....I'm sure all of his vicims will feel healed by knowing it was an "addiction". Excuses are dangerous.
Nina thank you so much
But even if he made those mistakes, I still love Ravi
He's like a father to me
Remember where Jesus said that let he that is without sin, cast the first stone! It's pathetic how we who claim to be children of this Jesus are casting stones without first of all looking inwards to our own dirty and miserable hearts!
I don't say this in spite
I love the church
I love the body of Christ world wide
Love the message, but remember the messenger is just one of your fellow sinners.
Maybe he's a little smoother, a bit more confident, but not much holier.
@Aja Stephen Chinedum
Love your comment thats what wana hear , thats true Biblical
Now ravi is not alive to defend himself,
people trying to make wrong impression of his hard work
@@thecompilation892 He is a Pharisee. Read up the new testament and see how he mirrors the attitudes of the Pharisees. Jesus hates them and never have any kind words for them. He gave them parables that makes no sense. They claim goodness with an attitude of look at me and he confounds them with a higher bar to reach. But when he meets the sinners, he spoke to them simply and with much kindheartedness. No barrier...just go to him. Not the people like Ravi who makes the message difficult.
The things you took the time to say, needed to be said. Hypocrisy is all around us, it's everywhere. We are ALL hypocrites whether we want to believe it or not. One of the troubles in situations like Ravi's is that if the alleged accusations are true where does the failure begin and end? Is it with a relatively good man who was supposedly lonely for whatever reasons, who reached out the wrong way for the pleasures of the flesh and taking advantage of another adult human being and/or is it with the full grown, adult human being who was also feeling lonely and insecure and allowed to be taken advantage of up to a certain point? There are factions out there who would love to see his alleged transgressions be silenced completely and those who would love to see the whole thing destroyed. In the end we are looking at adults who are responsible for their own actions unless they were held captive by force. If these allegations prove to be real then they are real by two parties who were poor in spirit and who allowed this to happen.
Ravi was a liar who took money from the public throughout the world .Abused the woman in hundreds, n the workers who questioned
these outright allegations against him.A liar who took money the Thompsons n alleged they were exhortatists etc. For this sin itself Ravi will rot in hell.As A preacher he couldn't continue to sin , an old man 74 yrs old , want to seduce girls in their 20s. It's time, his son n wife owned the truth.May God in his mercy grant them peace.
Never heard of him but it sounds like he was a covert narcissist. Lord give the victims peace and continue to expose the narcissists wolves.
I will NEVER change my thoughts about Ravi Z. I have listened to him for years and put him at an equal to Billy Graham. Even Billy Graham considered himself a sinner just as the Apostle Paul did. I listened to everyone of Ravi’s teachings - most of them a second or third time. Why do people need to BASH his life publicly when they themselves are probably worse sinners than he. Shame on these people “Hypocrites”. That’s what Jesus would call them. None of this GARBAGE will ever change my mind about one of the PILLARS OF CHRISTIANITY.
Stupidity even on the part of ravi family, As a Christian counsellor i counselled many youth and old people after all the counselling I just conclude briefly ,if a person continues doing masturbation or involved in extra marital activities appropriated to Ravi , the family life collapses first because the spirit involved there is Jezebel it will definitely leads to divorce in a marriage,secondly ministry would be wound up because God said to Adam to take dominion on the planet and God brought woman to help him.take that reverse if Adam is engaged in illicit activities with woman the dominion or the ministry he was doing will windup and result he is a failure in life. If we see Ravi Zachariah the above said things are not there,Ravi has beautiful marriage working, and his ministry is even powerful till the end.
Wake up people don’t do mud slinging.
Ravi touching lives spiritually and physically! He's in heaven now accosting the angels. Rip Ravi. Your followers won't care about your victims just your great speeches.
That's a false accusation but go on slandering, it will redound to your benefit at your judgment I'm sure......
@@sliglusamelius8578 haha, what a loving and non passive aggressive thing to say.
You just proved what i said about not caring about his victims, only his speeches. Do you care about his victims? Nope.
Are you deluded that hes innocent? Yep
@@IIrandhandleII I get your point and sadly some Christians will do exactly what you said they would. But many of us won’t. We will defend the victims and seek to care and protect others who may be victims.
Is there any evidence for this?
Yes there was an "independent investigation" done ....and paid for by RZIM. The firm was Miller and Marin. The findings were released on line by RZIM....they have also found some more serious misconduct - and the 2nd part of the investigation finding will be posted sometime in Feb. You can just google and find the first document which says it all.....
Well said sister...
"Kingdom of God" advances by his great massages!! Wow! Still a "great man of God"?
Let's see. Could we use the race card to pushback against this persecution of RZ? Like white churches vs Indian guru?
It's good to remember David's sins and the fact that after all that, he was still "a man after God's own heart" And also remember the woman caught in adultery and all who were so eager to stone her It seems at times that we are obsessed with sexual sin as the one and only serious sin-forget hatred, lying, coveting, anger-there's only one unpardonable sin and it's sex It could be one of the logs in our own eye that prevent us from removing the speck in our brother's eye
If you want to “remember David’s sins” then at least he repented. We never saw that from Ravi. What we saw was a pattern of lying and misleading statements about his credentials and stories, his lawsuit of Lori Ann Thompson, his manipulation of women for sexual gratification. But no repentance. But it would be more helpful to remember his victims through prayer.
OUR HOPE IS IN JESUS...KEEP HOLDING ON
James 1:8. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. A massage parlor? Really?😢
Sometimes a guy just needs a good massage.
@@sliglusamelius8578 .........If you as a man let an attractive lady lay her hands on your body during a massage, you are as good as done where succumbing to lustful temptation is concerned. The bible tells us that even King David who was called by God in Acts 13:22 as " a man after My own heart " was as good as done just by looking at Bathsheba bathing in the open.
Would really be glad that people would stop talking about David and people from the old testament as an excuse. Now if you claim you know Jesus preach him then hopefully you have the Holy spirit in you and that the old testament fathers didn't have. It's such a sad thing for Christians to get into things like this. My heart goes out for his wife wonder how she went through all this. She was like a battered woman.my sympathies to her and the other women who dealt with this.
Keep studying your bible and stay in prayer, understanding will come. You will find me when you search for me with all of your heart He says. I do feel your sense of loss for Ravi. He truly was used by God to point people to Him. Keep your focus on things above and keep yourself un spotted by the world and you will be accepted. We need to examine ourselves to always be on guard less we fall. The Lord bless you.
As a former papist, best way to describe "philosophy" => fool-sophy. So called "Christian philosophy" is an oxymoron! Holy Spirit who teaches me all things is more than capable of what philosophers are trying to achieve thru philosophy! Jesus Christ says : “I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.” {Revelation 2:20} “When men strive together with one another, and the wife of the one draws near to deliver her husband out of the hand of him who strikes him, and puts forth her hand and takes him by the secret parts, then you shall cut off her hand. Your eye shall not pity.” {Deuteronomy 25:11-12}
Only Jesus is perfect
romans 3:23 Give us the answer why poor and rich, weak and strong are equally victim of sin. Our part is to love one another as brother and sisters in Christ. 1 john 4:7-8