Cheers for the review. Having owned this car for a few weeks now, I must say that I have none of the niggles that have been pointed out. I absolutely love it. There are just a few things you get used to, but overall I'm a very happy chappy.
You do excellent reviews, backing off throttle response was a very important find, and the lack of consistency with acceleration very important for consumers to know
That split line on the tailgate is firing up my OCB !! Thanks for the review ! FYI : careful holding your phone whist driving.. can see it in the reflection 5:22
I don't know why people are trying to justify the fact that the drivetrain is undercooked. A vehicle that does not perform consistently under load is fundamentally unsafe. You need to be able to rely on what the vehicle will do when you need it to perform. If it can't do back to back hard acceleration without degrading, it won't be able to pull a heavy load or climb a long hill without the same issues. And thats only going to get worse as the battery degrades over time. The fuel consumption is very average too. Notwithstanding Brett's comments about this vehicle being an early build and perhaps not running the latest software, GWM has the same opportunity as everyone else to prepare their media vehicles properly and if this is the best they can do (inconsistent performance, rattles and malfunctioning systems) it's not good enough. If you want to buy one anyway that's your right but don't shoot the messenger when he points out the issues. If you want someone to just tell you what you want to hear, go and talk to a salesman. They'll be happy to do that. Personally I value a comprehensive review that gives the good and the bad. There's not enough of that nowadays.
@@johnsteve1352 you're not "correcting" anything. Nobody is talking about driving it flat out all the time but it's very clear from this test that if you were using this vehicle to tow a heavy load up a long hill it would not be able to sustain it and would lose power. You need the car to perform consistently, every time you put your foot down. If it is quick sometimes and slow at other times you can't trust it to perform when the chips are down. Overtaking is a dangerous situation and if the car just decides to reduce its own output while you're on the wrong side of the road overtaking a truck that is unbelievably dangerous. Contrast this to the hybrid Hilux Brett tested, where repeated and sustained applications of maximum acceleration yielded no change in the vehicle's performance. This is because it's properly engineered, and means it's fundamentally safer to operate that vehicle. The driver knows how the vehicle will respond when he or she needs full power. This thing is typical of the "near enough is good enough as long as it's cheap and has a fancy interior" attitude of most of the Chinese vehicles coming in and it's not acceptable.
Excellent review!! Well done! I took a test drive and I found the exact problem with the lift off throttle acceleration. Also the acceleration inconsistency. I so want to get one but these two issues really put me off.
Yep, I think the diesel is the pick for now. There is more tuning and calibration work to be done on this before it should be considered as a worthy option in my opinion.
Has anyone done any tests towing, approximately 2000Kg - 2500Kg. I look forward to seeing this on the Diesel and Hybrid version as I'm in the Market for a new car, from a Rexton to a Dual Cab ute and the GWM has some great features. Day to Day drive and towing a camper / caravan on your holidays.
I have 2024 Haval Jolion and it has one battery too. I agree it is strange, and there is a substantial differece in power with charged battery and flat battery. It is not big problem cause jolion is a compact SUV but I guess for Canon they should have at least three batteries. With road assistant and warnings I don't have any problems. It works. I got many when you look away from the road so I put a piece of paper on top of the interior camera ))) and it stoped (do not do it please)
I thought about that but the camera doesn't really work in low light. It adds artificial light and that would just make the screen look even brighter. I'll keep it in mind for future videos though and try and work something out.
@@mahcooharper9577 Yes, absolutely. There are some strange pulsing sensations. Just like the new MG3. I think that’s the e-motor providing its bursts. It isn’t smooth, like a basic Camry hybrid.
The thing with the car is that you press the pedal and let go. And it still is going. It's a programming on the ecu. Called throttle delay time. It's stupid, i agree. I've totally switched my delay time off on my mercedes
The issue with the safety warnings / glitches, 90% of the time it would be loose battery terminals (12v battery), Double check yours. Re tighten it if it is loose.
@@RedDog-e7v Mine was glitching, checked the battery terminals, it was loose from the dealership. The 15 year old apprentice didn't do a good job preparing the brand new car.
I reckon you should take it for a long drive uphill at full charge with and without towing something and see how long the battery can last till its out of juice and whether the petrol engine itself can handle the climb uphill with and without the load and this will answer the main question indeed.
Must admit…. The more I watch about these the keener I become. Do like my x350d but it makes most of the driver convenience specs or newer cars, and here in NZ you’re penalised for driving a diesel with road user charges so 11.1 average won’t scare me. Mines used as a farm car anyway…dosent tow but more into town for supplies. The more I see the keener I become. Ranger wildtrack? No thanks…that PSA group 3.0 diesel has a huge history that ford didn’t fix…time is ticking for those engines. Look into broken/snapped crankshafts once they’ve got a few miles on them is someone’s dragged out a service interval….or made it work for a living
It’s a Ford engine, not PSA. PSA did the DV and DW 4cyl diesels, Ford did the Lion V6 and V8 diesels. That’s how the partnership worked. The Lion V6 was 100% designed and engineered in Dagenham, England by Ford Europe.
Even if it did run out of battery, which would be rare if you drive normally and don’t live in the alps. This is no slouch… with a charged battery, it’s pretty quick.
@@goldfools5445 Only with maximum battery. As shown, even just dropping down to 60-70% sees 0-100 in 8s - that’s not quick for something with 255kW, judging by the results of over 1000 tests I have done over the years.
@@goldfools5445 yes, and as he said at least you know what you're getting when you floor it so you can drive accordingly. This thing can either be quick or slow depending on the circumstances, and that's not a recipe for safety.
Agree. I don't know how engineers are letting it pass. Not just the GWM, but a lot of these new-age vehicles with big screens - they are really bright and distracting at nighttime.
2:13 Which premium brand has a 2litre and is producing 180Kw?! Please can we be consistent and value things as they are. Ford Wildtrack 2.0 litre is 154kw how is that close to 180kw. Anyways the battery issue.. unless it runs out in 30seconds.. overtaking should be fine.. but good you noticed.
An A45 has a 2 litre with 310kW. That's not a ute but it's not like 180kW from a 2 litre is mind blowing. This is much heavier than a Wildtrack. The biggest problem is that it's not consistent though, you can't rely on it to behave the same every time you nail the throttle, and that's dangerous. And it'll only get worse as the battery degrades. Not to mention the fuel consumption is crap anyway - this is underdone no matter which way you look at it.
@@sncreative6308 Plenty of Euro 2.0T petrol engines produce 180kW. The last Ford Falcon EcoBoost 2.0T offered that, back 10+ years ago. I was simply saying 180kW is decent but average these days. BMW 330i 2.0T produces 190kW. JLR has plenty of 2.0T units that offer similar, even the 2018 Jeep Wrangler 2.0T when it was offered produced 200kW.
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia thank you for the response. In this context you're suppose to refer to bakkies instead of other car varients, it could be misleading that there are bakkie out there producing 180kw on a 2litre engine. Meaning the 2litre GWM is not that unique or nothing important, hence applying other brands. And you could be seen as biased to other brands. I enjoy your reviews keep it fair as usual 👏
@@mahcooharper9577 If you're reviewing a bakkie refer to bakkies only not other car types. A45 AMG is not a bakkie/Ute as you call it.. The GWM Ultra bakkie can only be compared to other bakkie e.g Toyota 2.8, Wildtrak 2l/V6/Raptor, Triton 2.4 GSR in that line... Not sedans please. How many UTEs with a 2ltr make 180kw? therefore in this context this 2litre is something good, let's give credit where it's due. A 3.0L Isuzu Ute is 140kw but won't be complaining about it? or 150kw from a 2.8L Toyota Ute you won't complain either but now a 2litre Produces 180kw and you're complaining that is nothing to brag about really?!
@@jazzcardashcam Compared with Mitsubishi, Toyota, Subaru, BMW, Mercedes, Nissan, Audi, Honda, Ford, Jaguar, Land Rover, Suzuki, and Volkswagen, yes, it is a young brand. GWM has been in Australia for like, 5 years.
Where are you getting your recall data from? Or are you just making it up because you work for GWM? I can investigate this further if you like and do a separate video to uncover the full stats. If you don’t reply with hard facts and data then that proves you are a GWM worker.
Yeah it's difficult to tell whether it is slipping or if it's the e-motor kicking in and boosting/slackening off. Definitely a pulsing sensation going on.
My daily driver is a 2 door Silverado and my my pleasure vehicle is a '67 Chevy C10. I've been waiting for the USA to produce an affordable, good looking, 2 door AWD ev pickup truck. They could make it unibody to save weight and with a motor for each axle there would be no need for a drive shaft hump, so a bench with a fold up armrest for the occasional 3rd seat would make sense. Call it El Camino, Sprint, Ranchero or Scrambler for nostalgia. A solar bed cover and/or roof would be a nice option too. I've been telling my favorite mechanic that I'll sell him my Silverado when I can buy an electric El Camino. Come on USA...Get with the program please!!!
Hybrids in general are poorly engineered vehicles. I know they're designed to serve as a bridge between electric and ICE vehicles until battery tech advances enough for EV's to be feasible for extra urban driving but really you just end up with a bunch of compromises and two engines to maintain.
Fuel is accounted for already within the payload specs. However some manufactures only use 10% of fuel tank where others use a full tank. Problen being is it's not advised on how they measure.
@@user-vk4vd7vr5tno it doesn’t, 6555 GCM means this ute can have 385kgs of passengers/luggage plus 350kgs of towball download equaling 735kgs of total payload bringing the gvm to 3310kg (max allowable) with the remaining 3150 of trailer giving you 6460kgs of GCM (within maximum). They have done well with weights on this ute unlike some others, now I don’t think the powertrain would be very happy with 6460kgs of mass but it is legal.
@@RedDog-e7v I’ve been to China mate and they have some very good quality cars… if you hate Chinese cars you should be concerned about how things will go in the future. They are certainly better quality than these big US utes being sold here.
Cheers for the review. Having owned this car for a few weeks now, I must say that I have none of the niggles that have been pointed out. I absolutely love it. There are just a few things you get used to, but overall I'm a very happy chappy.
I like your review. I would also recommend a high way autopilot test as well.
You do excellent reviews, backing off throttle response was a very important find, and the lack of consistency with acceleration very important for consumers to know
That split line on the tailgate is firing up my OCB !! Thanks for the review ! FYI : careful holding your phone whist driving.. can see it in the reflection 5:22
@@__PJ__ Thanks. It wasn’t my phone, it’s a GoPro.
I don't know why people are trying to justify the fact that the drivetrain is undercooked. A vehicle that does not perform consistently under load is fundamentally unsafe. You need to be able to rely on what the vehicle will do when you need it to perform. If it can't do back to back hard acceleration without degrading, it won't be able to pull a heavy load or climb a long hill without the same issues.
And thats only going to get worse as the battery degrades over time.
The fuel consumption is very average too.
Notwithstanding Brett's comments about this vehicle being an early build and perhaps not running the latest software, GWM has the same opportunity as everyone else to prepare their media vehicles properly and if this is the best they can do (inconsistent performance, rattles and malfunctioning systems) it's not good enough.
If you want to buy one anyway that's your right but don't shoot the messenger when he points out the issues. If you want someone to just tell you what you want to hear, go and talk to a salesman. They'll be happy to do that.
Personally I value a comprehensive review that gives the good and the bad. There's not enough of that nowadays.
@@johnsteve1352 you're not "correcting" anything. Nobody is talking about driving it flat out all the time but it's very clear from this test that if you were using this vehicle to tow a heavy load up a long hill it would not be able to sustain it and would lose power.
You need the car to perform consistently, every time you put your foot down. If it is quick sometimes and slow at other times you can't trust it to perform when the chips are down.
Overtaking is a dangerous situation and if the car just decides to reduce its own output while you're on the wrong side of the road overtaking a truck that is unbelievably dangerous.
Contrast this to the hybrid Hilux Brett tested, where repeated and sustained applications of maximum acceleration yielded no change in the vehicle's performance. This is because it's properly engineered, and means it's fundamentally safer to operate that vehicle. The driver knows how the vehicle will respond when he or she needs full power.
This thing is typical of the "near enough is good enough as long as it's cheap and has a fancy interior" attitude of most of the Chinese vehicles coming in and it's not acceptable.
Excellent review!! Well done! I took a test drive and I found the exact problem with the lift off throttle acceleration. Also the acceleration inconsistency. I so want to get one but these two issues really put me off.
Took the deisel for a test drive today, absolute gem for the price, will be trading the rexton in on one
Yep, I think the diesel is the pick for now. There is more tuning and calibration work to be done on this before it should be considered as a worthy option in my opinion.
As always love your work mate 👍
Thanks a lot.
Never knew Brett had a Workmate 😂
I’m thinking that if they don’t add a larger battery as an option, that the aftermarket will step in and do that. That’s not enough capacity.
If I'm driving 100km a day at 100k/hr, are manual DPF cleans going to be unnecessary?
Has anyone done any tests towing, approximately 2000Kg - 2500Kg. I look forward to seeing this on the Diesel and Hybrid version as I'm in the Market for a new car, from a Rexton to a Dual Cab ute and the GWM has some great features. Day to Day drive and towing a camper / caravan on your holidays.
I have 2024 Haval Jolion and it has one battery too. I agree it is strange, and there is a substantial differece in power with charged battery and flat battery. It is not big problem cause jolion is a compact SUV but I guess for Canon they should have at least three batteries. With road assistant and warnings I don't have any problems. It works. I got many when you look away from the road so I put a piece of paper on top of the interior camera ))) and it stoped (do not do it please)
Still looking forward to the Shark.
Same!
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I have seen other reviews also say the same thing about the infotainment brightness. Wish you would of thrown in a bit of footage at night.
I thought about that but the camera doesn't really work in low light. It adds artificial light and that would just make the screen look even brighter. I'll keep it in mind for future videos though and try and work something out.
Is it just me Brett or does the transmission sometimes sound like it's slipping/flaring a little on the acceleration runs but not at other times?
@@mahcooharper9577 Yes, absolutely. There are some strange pulsing sensations. Just like the new MG3. I think that’s the e-motor providing its bursts. It isn’t smooth, like a basic Camry hybrid.
The rear tailgate comes in hand for Mrs and kids for getting things out the back.
nice ute, best interior in the segment
The thing with the car is that you press the pedal and let go. And it still is going. It's a programming on the ecu. Called throttle delay time. It's stupid, i agree. I've totally switched my delay time off on my mercedes
The issue with the safety warnings / glitches, 90% of the time it would be loose battery terminals (12v battery), Double check yours. Re tighten it if it is loose.
That’s a lie
@@RedDog-e7v Mine was glitching, checked the battery terminals, it was loose from the dealership. The 15 year old apprentice didn't do a good job preparing the brand new car.
@ no. That’s a lie
I reckon you should take it for a long drive uphill at full charge with and without towing something and see how long the battery can last till its out of juice and whether the petrol engine itself can handle the climb uphill with and without the load and this will answer the main question indeed.
So there’s no regeneration with off throttle? It should back off.
@@kennethprocak5176 It must happen after that.
Hey, do you know if the Shark is coming to Australia?
It is....
The shocks still should be tuned properly so it doesn’t bounce like that.
Get after market, everyone who buys utes does anyway
Must admit…. The more I watch about these the keener I become. Do like my x350d but it makes most of the driver convenience specs or newer cars, and here in NZ you’re penalised for driving a diesel with road user charges so 11.1 average won’t scare me. Mines used as a farm car anyway…dosent tow but more into town for supplies. The more I see the keener I become. Ranger wildtrack? No thanks…that PSA group 3.0 diesel has a huge history that ford didn’t fix…time is ticking for those engines. Look into broken/snapped crankshafts once they’ve got a few miles on them is someone’s dragged out a service interval….or made it work for a living
It’s a Ford engine, not PSA.
PSA did the DV and DW 4cyl diesels, Ford did the Lion V6 and V8 diesels. That’s how the partnership worked. The Lion V6 was 100% designed and engineered in Dagenham, England by Ford Europe.
What a downgrade with an X350d to this 🤢 🤮
Can you test drive a tuned ranger v6 diesel keen to see how that performs
Great idea. I'll see what I can find.
Honest Review...
@@ajonnieq2002 Better than a dishonest review?
Even if it did run out of battery, which would be rare if you drive normally and don’t live in the alps.
This is no slouch… with a charged battery, it’s pretty quick.
@@goldfools5445 Only with maximum battery. As shown, even just dropping down to 60-70% sees 0-100 in 8s - that’s not quick for something with 255kW, judging by the results of over 1000 tests I have done over the years.
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia it’s quick for a two and a half ton Ute..
@@goldfools5445 there are plenty of utes that are quicker than that, and they behave the same every time you floor the throttle.
@@mahcooharper9577 and there are plenty more that are slower..
@@goldfools5445 yes, and as he said at least you know what you're getting when you floor it so you can drive accordingly. This thing can either be quick or slow depending on the circumstances, and that's not a recipe for safety.
Could you review the 2017 Hyundai accent let me know if you can
Is the Accent a ute ?
@@mvnorsel6354 no it’s a hatchback/sedan search it up
Where would he get one ? why review a car thats nearly 8 years old.... how about you buy one and review it ? They are dirt cheap....
@@__PJ__ I need a 0 to 100 on it and the accent that I have is broken down
@@mvnorsel6354 no
Even with the tank 300, the screens are way too bright at night on long drives.
Agree. I don't know how engineers are letting it pass. Not just the GWM, but a lot of these new-age vehicles with big screens - they are really bright and distracting at nighttime.
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia100%, the grand cherokee I had was definitely red eye flight compared
those warnings would drive me nut nowadays better buying a good used car between 2013 to 2019
Those warnings can now be permanently turned off with the new update
2:13 Which premium brand has a 2litre and is producing 180Kw?! Please can we be consistent and value things as they are.
Ford Wildtrack 2.0 litre is 154kw how is that close to 180kw.
Anyways the battery issue.. unless it runs out in 30seconds.. overtaking should be fine.. but good you noticed.
An A45 has a 2 litre with 310kW. That's not a ute but it's not like 180kW from a 2 litre is mind blowing.
This is much heavier than a Wildtrack.
The biggest problem is that it's not consistent though, you can't rely on it to behave the same every time you nail the throttle, and that's dangerous. And it'll only get worse as the battery degrades.
Not to mention the fuel consumption is crap anyway - this is underdone no matter which way you look at it.
@@sncreative6308 Plenty of Euro 2.0T petrol engines produce 180kW. The last Ford Falcon EcoBoost 2.0T offered that, back 10+ years ago. I was simply saying 180kW is decent but average these days. BMW 330i 2.0T produces 190kW. JLR has plenty of 2.0T units that offer similar, even the 2018 Jeep Wrangler 2.0T when it was offered produced 200kW.
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia thank you for the response. In this context you're suppose to refer to bakkies instead of other car varients, it could be misleading that there are bakkie out there producing 180kw on a 2litre engine.
Meaning the 2litre GWM is not that unique or nothing important, hence applying other brands. And you could be seen as biased to other brands.
I enjoy your reviews keep it fair as usual 👏
@@mahcooharper9577 If you're reviewing a bakkie refer to bakkies only not other car types. A45 AMG is not a bakkie/Ute as you call it..
The GWM Ultra bakkie can only be compared to other bakkie e.g Toyota 2.8, Wildtrak 2l/V6/Raptor, Triton 2.4 GSR in that line... Not sedans please.
How many UTEs with a 2ltr make 180kw? therefore in this context this 2litre is something good, let's give credit where it's due.
A 3.0L Isuzu Ute is 140kw but won't be complaining about it? or 150kw from a 2.8L Toyota Ute you won't complain either but now a 2litre Produces 180kw and you're complaining that is nothing to brag about really?!
Young brand? GWM has been in Australia for ages.
@@jazzcardashcam Compared with Mitsubishi, Toyota, Subaru, BMW, Mercedes, Nissan, Audi, Honda, Ford, Jaguar, Land Rover, Suzuki, and Volkswagen, yes, it is a young brand. GWM has been in Australia for like, 5 years.
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia They've been in the market for a long time and had less recall or major issues then 90% of the brands you listed lol
Where are you getting your recall data from? Or are you just making it up because you work for GWM? I can investigate this further if you like and do a separate video to uncover the full stats. If you don’t reply with hard facts and data then that proves you are a GWM worker.
GWM products were first available in the Australian market in 2009
Lol sounds like you got a dud there lol because i have no issues you mentioned . on the 2.4T
If you are going up that long hill you need a BYD Shark much much better.
Why are mnf obsessed with large ugly front grills
This transmission looks quite fragile, there is still slippage, it seems they would be better off using a ZF 8, 9 speed this sounds terrible
Yeah it's difficult to tell whether it is slipping or if it's the e-motor kicking in and boosting/slackening off. Definitely a pulsing sensation going on.
sounds like an easy software fix 7.1 0-100 blows away the competition
My daily driver is a 2 door Silverado and my my pleasure vehicle is a '67 Chevy C10. I've been waiting for the USA to produce an affordable, good looking, 2 door AWD ev pickup truck. They could make it unibody to save weight and with a motor for each axle there would be no need for a drive shaft hump, so a bench with a fold up armrest for the occasional 3rd seat would make sense. Call it El Camino, Sprint, Ranchero or Scrambler for nostalgia. A solar bed cover and/or roof would be a nice option too. I've been telling my favorite mechanic that I'll sell him my Silverado when I can buy an electric El Camino. Come on USA...Get with the program please!!!
Tow test
You get what you pay for.
Hybrids in general are poorly engineered vehicles. I know they're designed to serve as a bridge between electric and ICE vehicles until battery tech advances enough for EV's to be feasible for extra urban driving but really you just end up with a bunch of compromises and two engines to maintain.
Dont forget towball download counts into the payload. 350kg on the ball towing 3500kg…well….
And fuel
@@richardcharlton8259yep so towing 3500kg with a 10% downball leaves 130kg.
Driver is 90kg, that leaves 40kg for the rest of the payload. Hahaha
Fuel is accounted for already within the payload specs. However some manufactures only use 10% of fuel tank where others use a full tank. Problen being is it's not advised on how they measure.
@@user-vk4vd7vr5tno it doesn’t, 6555 GCM means this ute can have 385kgs of passengers/luggage plus 350kgs of towball download equaling 735kgs of total payload bringing the gvm to 3310kg (max allowable) with the remaining 3150 of trailer giving you 6460kgs of GCM (within maximum). They have done well with weights on this ute unlike some others, now I don’t think the powertrain would be very happy with 6460kgs of mass but it is legal.
Dude I think you are too biased to be reviewing these Chinese cars… you really sound condescending
@@brockandrews922 Thanks.
Maybe go back to watching the paid reviews with the comments section full of Chinese 50 cent army if it suits you better
@@RedDog-e7v I’ve been to China mate and they have some very good quality cars… if you hate Chinese cars you should be concerned about how things will go in the future. They are certainly better quality than these big US utes being sold here.
@ “I’ve been to China”😂😂😂😂enjoy your poor quality vehicle “mate”
@@brockandrews922 not sure what American vehicles and the fact you’ve been to China has anything to do with my comment