Despite the 5 place penalty, can't forget the Monaco 2012 pole position he grabbed when he was 43 years old On the track where the driver matters the most, he was still there, at the top #EinKaiser
With all due respect for the team, the 2012 Mercedes was pretty crap compared to the various Redbull, Ferrari, Mclaren. To put into perspective, the silver arrows won in 2012 the same number of races as Pastor Maldonado did in that year
Luca Mino But weren't they still pretty decent in qualifying speed though? I just remember them having the problem of eating through tyres during races.
@@martinh88 I was the only way certain little shyte (who lucked into WDC thanks to one of the best F1 cars ever, plus all rivals retiring or driving really bad cars, and he still nearly lost it...) could kick a real champion, and he took it showing his bitter loser side...
Agreed..finishing behind the SC in my eyes means the SC going over the line with everyone in formation behind it Peeling of into the pits and green flags equals racing. You can't show green flags and say it is illegal to overtake Ridicilous
@ @F1 Master 97 you could overtake after the first safety car line before this season. You can see the line just before pit entry at 00:58 in the video. Don't go round calling people dumbasses when you don't even know what you're on about. The rule got changed for this season
Dan Rambaldi sorry dude, you’re technically right about safety care line but that does apply here. He’s a copy and past of why he got the penalty: The Mercedes driver was penalised for breaking rule 40.13 of the sporting regulations, which states, "If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."
Please upload his 2012 Monaco pole lap onboard. He managed that time with a crappy Mercedes back in the day. As a 43 years old. Mad respect for him. #KeepFightingMicheal we are still waiting for you.
the Mercedes wasn't completely awful back then. it had top rate qualifying pace but it ate tires for breakfast, so it just dropped like a stone during the race. completely awful would be the 2019 Williams that apparently wasn't even the car they tested in the wind tunnels so it qualified last and stayed there the entire weekend
Safety car goes in only for the public, it's still a safety car lap. That's why they changed the rule to "overtake only happens after the start/finish line". Back then the rules were "you can't overtake in a safety car lap". So it was clearly illegal. But FIA judged it was open to misinterpretation so they changed it to make it clearer.
@@DimitriMoreira it depends on where the pitlane entry is. If the entry is before the last corner, the last corner is fair game. If it is after the last corner, it is after you cross the start finish line. Schumacher did a cheeky move over here cause in Monaco the pitlane entry is before the last corner so technically it was legal. After the race, the stewards clarified that if the race ends under a safety car, no overtaking is permitted full stop. This is why Schumacher got a penalty. It was a grey area in the rules that was clarified later.
@@DavidS-qn3jm After the race, all flags are waved along the track, they don't matter (watch any other post-race in-lap). Only the green flag right before the overtake 1:00 matters, so the pass is legal
@@DimitriMoreira You're contradicting yourself. Something clearly illegal can't be open for another interpretation. Either the rules state an action or behavior as 100% punishable or the rules are too nebulous at this situation and a grey zone appears. Changing the rules afterwards is fine, but as long as the old, flawed rules are active, no grey zone behavior should be penalized.
@@stewartgrindlay9760 Tell me why shouldn't have Schumi done what he did? Did you watche the 1994 season? Schumi had a worse car then Hill, yet he was dominating Hill almost every race The only reasom Hill cought up in points was because FIA was giving Schumacher unfair and outright illegal penalties that stoped him from driving or put him back down the grid. Schumi's *DESERVED* 1994 championship was being stopen from him by FIA
Guys, your stock footage was already 16:9 - no need to massively overscan and crop out the edges of the picture where the old F1 logo was - make the new logo cover over if (and make it even bigger if you have to).
Jon Chui finally someone said it. In the onboard footage you can see like 3 meters in front of the car. It's like there's a swastika at the edge that can't be covered for some ridiculous reason.
You expect them to do this when the very same youtube management team will turn up the V6 sounds on current videos to make them sound louder and will reduce V8/V10 sounds by making them quieter or drowning them out with obnoxiously loud music. Say what you want about Bernie, but at least there was a bit of soul, rather than this soul-less "We need social media outreach for profits" SJW style re-writing of history as if it had never happened unless they tell us how to feel about it, much like everyone saying Max Verstappen is a good driver because they're told to say it, or like The Emperors New clothes they all go along with the lie to make it seem like they know what they're talking about. Cough cough, defending Max Verstappen when he was entirely at fault in Baku cough cough thinking he actually deserved that cheated podium in Austin cough cough excellent overtaking max cough oh the right decision was made? cough yeah he was totally in the wrong cough cough
If the ruling wasn't clear, then its not Michael's fault nor concern. But handing him a 20 second penalty is a disgraceful. I would have slapped all the stewards that day for that rubbish decision. Worst case, they should have given to place back to Alonso.
TheBrass18 from a sportsman‘s viewpoint, I agree that the best solution would have been to simply scratch the last lap. But there was and is no line in the rulebook that allows the stewards to do so. They have to make their call according to the rules at hand.
@@TheColinChapman oh come on they make the rules they want. Hamilton passing Raikkonen in Spa under the rain and cutting a corner, giving him position back and passing again next corner (2007 or 2008 ?), finishing 1st with like a bit more than 20s, they penalize with 25s ! So is it 5s, 20, 25, they just choose the number they want, in Monaco they could have given just 5s to Schumacher but 20s was OK for them just because it put him out of the points...
@@DimitriMoreira The rule back than was (it is diffrent today), if the saftey car comes in you can overtake after the saftey car line. The saftey car came in and he overtook after the sc line. When they called in the saftey car so it wouldn´t spoil the photo no one thought about the fact that, that would mean you can overtake in the last corner. After this btw. they "clarified" that you can´t overtake on the last lap if the saftey car comes in.
Schumacher can have many titles, be the best at any track, like Imola, Belgium, etc...But Monaco master only to one and that has to be noticed (Senna) 🇧🇷
Alonso did some incredible overtakes that year in Monaco, he had started the race from the pit and finished P6 in this circuit. I think its worth a video
Alvaro Martinez Incredible overtakes? He overtook the two Virgin Marussia and the two Lotus, which were 2-3 seconds per lap slower. He gained all the way to P6 just because he pitted on lap 1 when the Safety Car was out.
@@OtterFan48 Schu judged the safety car line, and made sure he did the overtake after it. At that moment in the race, it was on. It didn't work but was worth for them to try it. Its racing guys. Not retiree drive down to the local bowls ground.
Michael and his teams were always great in using what the regulations gave to them... 20 seconds for exploiting a loophole was just a joke (thanks Damon btw^^). Brilliant move
@@jaedenmk5544 Nope never was and never will be. Nothinge he did was illigal nor was it unwaranted His championships were being stolen by illegal penalties given to him by FIA, so he did what was right and decided he wasn't gonna get robbed
@@jaedenmk5544 On top of this all, not only were the things he did legal, not only did he only do them because FIA was robbing him But other F1 legends did the same things and even worse
@@jaedenmk5544 At the end of the day Schumi *NEVER* cheated nor did he ever do something that was unwaranted. But you are an uneducated kid, you don't know shit about what happened or why things happened Michael never cheated and that is reality
Damon Hill lost my last bit of respect for him that day, salty child. Michael showed that day that he can kick ass and it doesn't matter if it's the fastest or the slowest car.
Oh I didn't realize I had a reply. Nice notifs, YT. Anyway, dirty or not, that german really should've won '94 with races to spare. FIA tried their damned hardest to gift Williams and Hill the championship (wtf was those ridiculous penalties and race bans, hi hindsight... sod off) prevented it from happening.
Benetton was cheating throughout the 1994 season, with both their refuelling which gave them a fuel flow advantage and traction control (they had the software to activate it anytime during a race, which was stated by the FIA, plus many drivers were raising suspicion on the constant). The FIA didn't take any action against benetton for the traction control software or use of it, even though the evidence was laid out for them. Schumacher also blatantly rammed Hill off in Adelaide to win the championship, with no repercussions for it. You can't say that Hill was gifted a championship on the basis of a two race ban for schumi, both he and benetton had cheated to win their races and championship with the FIA doing nothing
@@majesticturd9291 IT wasnt traction control, it was launch control, read the facts before starting making lies. Senna suspected they had traction control from the sound the car made but it was a early version of blown diffusor he was hearing, benetton was the first to start developing it back then. Also refueling rig: there were more teams than benetton who did that and according to some sources they said it was legal something FIA later soon allowed, thye never said benetton cheated and forced them to use the filters, all teams instead stopped with the filters.
Read the wikipedia page on the benneton b194, it clearly states that they had traction control software installed on the car, which can be turned on at any given moment. You should do some reading before calling out people for lying
And he passed Alonso AFTER the safety car restart line So it was 100% regular The fact it was the last lap made it controversial, since there was basically a hole in the regulations
@@Matheus-xf9ts Dude, do you know the definition of the word ''fact''? What you wrote is clearly an opinion. And ironically, it is a fact that your statement is an opinion.
It wasn't. A driver have to pass the finish line to re-gain the right to overtake other drivers after safety car is deployed. Schumacher's overtake wasn't legal, even if the safety car already entered in pit lane.
@@andreaattanasio4611 Back in these years the rule was that you can overtake from the Safety Car Line which was at the pit entry. That is why you see a green flag before last corner. So it was legal by the rules. Otherwise the FIA wouldn't have to adapt the rules afterwards. Earlier it was the rule that you have to wait until the finish line. And so is the rule today since they changed it a few years ago.
Manuel Gogeißl Yes however the race officially ended on a safety car, it only pulled in because it would be unnecessary to drive around on the parade lap. Rule 40.13 (I only know this from the BBC broadcast) states that if the race ends in a safety car the cars will “take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.”
That pass came after the SC line, the SC was in, and the lights were clearly GREEN. That was a brilliant overtake and the fact that it was deemed illigal is ridiculous.
It was illegal. The rules had been designed to avoid the embarrassment of the safety car leading the field past the chequered flag. Regardless of the flags shown by the martials, because it was the last lap the race was still neutralised, and no overtaking was allowed up to the finish line, at which point the race ends. It didn't matter who was in the stewards room, and there were three other people in there, Schumacher broke a specific rule. The punishment would also have been limited to those available in the rules. Just swapping the places back wasn't an available option. There was no option to turn a blind-eye to it and accept that the green flags were confusing. He'd broken a written down rule that they drivers are meant to know.
The wording was clarified because after the Mercedes protest it was found that the teams had different interpretations of the text: "If the race ends while the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking." Mercedes argued that the race had not ended, because the cars had not crossed the finish line. Which, without going back and looking through the entire 2010 rule book for the definitions of when the race ends, is literally correct, but goes against the intent of the rule which had been discussed at length by the teams. The safety car returned to the pits because the race was ending, not because the track was clear. Mercedes dropped its appeal. That doesn't mean they necessarily wouldn't have won it. However, the move was immediately protested by other teams and a panel of 4-stewards handed him a penalty based on a plain text reading of the article 40.13.
If I remember the rues were not clear as the race finished behind the safety car, this was because the safety car pitted before the flag so technically Michael waited till the safety car line then did his move and as we know if there had been more laps the overtake at that point would be legal and as you pointed out the FIA clarified the rule after this so in reality they should have only made Michael hand back the place. FERRARI INTERNATIONAL ASSISTANCE. Michael was out so Ferrari turned on him.
It was Damon Hill, Mercedes are their favorite ("We will investigate Ferrari, no wing mirrors for you, that flap above the LED light smells weird, wait... What's that smoke from Ferrari's engine?")
Still bitter about this. Earlier on in the lap a message had come up saying "SC in this lap" and towards the end there were green flags. Obviously nobody had thought through all the implications of allowing cars to overtake at the SC line. Even though the SC would always pull into the pits at the end of the last lap, you could draw a distinction between the race ending "behind the SC" and the SC pulling into the pits before the end of the race (even if it was just one corner). By the second interpretation, the move would've been legal as the SC period had ended before the race was over. But since the rules were so ambiguous, it's bonkers to penalise someone without clarifying them.
ihathtelekinesis absolutely, I think there was no penalty available to the stewards either which would’ve just put Michael back behind Alonso, which would made a tiny bit more sense but not much.
These guys start racing at such a young age and the green flag means racing, if you want follow the leader at reduced speed then don't show a green flag. Michael was 100% right in his actions and should have been praised for his incredible race craft not rapped over the knuckles by the stewards.
Nope, 2010 was the first year you could overtake at the safety car line. I agree, though, it's a great change - it gives less of a window for the lead car to bolt.
Sorry for beeing so rude, but HILL you fool! After 15 years he still can't accept the fact that Schumacher outpaced him, so he wanted to hurt Michael with his decission as a steward Somehow satisfying that now he regrets having never reconciled Schumacher...
Absolute proof that the driver steward should never have raced against any of the drivers they're stewarding. As soon as I heard the driver steward was Damon Hill I knew Schumi would be penalised.
I never usto like michael (because my dad liked him so me being young me i was supporting fernando since he was his rival in 05) but now im abit more mature i can certainly appreciate how much of an excellent driver he was , keep fighting !
Senna there was only one, and died in 1994. Ham is not in the same league of Schumacher, Alonso, Senna. These 3 in some moment of their career had very bad car and still managed to perform consistently well on them. Hamilton always had a top 3 car in all his career. Hamilton demonstrated multiple times when things dont go perfectly he start to lose morale very fast and perform bad. Still a better pilot than Vettel thought. Vettel breaks much easier than him.
Commander Tato your logic makes no sense. Vettel literally won a race in a backmarker as well as 2 close titles with not the best car as well as finished 2nd in points in 2009 with a weak car
@@AAA310 "2 close titles with not the best car as well" Big fat lies, Redbull was the best car from 2010 to 2013, like Mercedes is the best car since 2014. Since 2009 Brawn GP we had dominating cars pretty much all these years. Only Alonso managed to fight to the very end superior machinery and still was unable to win. Vettel failed to prove he can do the same as Alonso with Ferrari and now he is getting pretty much fired up from the team.
Stewards got no chill and of course, Damon is gonna think that. 20 seconds though too...are we just gonna ignore that the light was flashing green? That was a high-intelligence pass that should be applauded. That's basically the FIAs biggest problem right now. They're afraid of people doing something different.
One of the the great shining moments of his three year return. Shame that the stewards on the day deemed it illegal but the magic of the moment will live on in any fans memory.
Dyno Mark Bullshit. Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit. As its pointed out in the video AND YOU CAN SEE THE LINE the safety car went in AND HE HAD GREEN LIGHTS so this move was 100% legitimate. The FIA just wanted a ending under race conditions (without safety car with green lights) - and so they got it. It was their mistake but they punished Schumacher for their own stupidity because the overtake was not intended - but 100% legitimate by rules.
Dyno, youre wrong with your dates. I saw the race. I see F1 races since maybe 1997. (Less every year because its more boring every year.) See doctorvee.co.uk/2010/05/17/when-is-a-green-flag-not-a-green-flag/ for example. I'm not sure when exactly it was introduced, but it looks like 2009. So thats not the question or the point here. You can not imagine how angry I was because of the decision of the stewards. The 2 problems here are: 1. the safety car went in 2. THERE WAS A GREEN FLAG (the main problem in combination with point 1) Even if Mercedes / Schumacher was wrong, a 20 sec penalty because of a fucked up rule book (the article says they needed 2h 30m for their decision, of course I dont know these details anymore) is just plain wrong. They did a mistake, but instead of living with it and corrected the rules, they acted like 5 year old children and pointed in the direction of Schumacher. I'm even angry of that right now because of that 8 years later...
When you remember the race you should know the problems they had with Schumachers action, including the safety car line... Again, the main problem wasnt the line. The problem was the race had been officially fully restarted and the rule books needed oviously more clarification. The blame on Schumacher was, again, childish.
I don´t know what the stewards have seen, but I see green lights, a safty car going into pits and a safty-car-line which was crossed by MSC and ALO before the overtake. I´ve said it in 2010 and I say it today, the overtake was legal!
Schumacher saw his opportunity... schumacher took it... great pass... shud of stood... ross brawn gave a great argument in his defense... schumacher legend...
When the SC goes out, all cars can fight for position AFTER the SC line (Wich is at the entrance of pitlane); the marshall shows green flag and the race can continue even is the final lap is closing. You can see that Schumi overtakes Alonso AFTER that line, so the overtake was completely legal. But they decide to put him a stupid penalty
You can argue whatever rule you want. There are green lights and flags. In reality the stewards were incredibly biased and wanted to see Schumacher fail.
Despite the 5 place penalty, can't forget the Monaco 2012 pole position he grabbed when he was 43 years old
On the track where the driver matters the most, he was still there, at the top
#EinKaiser
Luca Mino well, the car also helps a bit
With all due respect for the team, the 2012 Mercedes was pretty crap compared to the various Redbull, Ferrari, Mclaren.
To put into perspective, the silver arrows won in 2012 the same number of races as Pastor Maldonado did in that year
Luca Mino But weren't they still pretty decent in qualifying speed though? I just remember them having the problem of eating through tyres during races.
Yes, but Rosberg (World Champion in 2016) on the same car was only third on the grid, and Mark Webber was second.
Никита Варганов 'only third' ;)
Damon Hill looking for his 1994 championship revenge...
Demoting someone from 7th to out of the points is hardly revenge for 1994...
Did it in 1995 Silverstone and Monza hahahaha. And still lost the title, that time badly as well 😂
What have we learned? Damon Hill is one of the biggest loosers in F1 history..
Yeah because he's a loser and always will be.
@@martinh88 I was the only way certain little shyte (who lucked into WDC thanks to one of the best F1 cars ever, plus all rivals retiring or driving really bad cars, and he still nearly lost it...) could kick a real champion, and he took it showing his bitter loser side...
He passed Alonso after the SC line. Also SC went in and the cars raced to the line. It was as clear as a blue sky.
Agree!
Agreed..finishing behind the SC in my eyes means the SC going over the line with everyone in formation behind it
Peeling of into the pits and green flags equals racing. You can't show green flags and say it is illegal to overtake
Ridicilous
no he didn't, if you see in the minute 1:00, green flags were being waved he didn't do anything wrong
You just can't expect it to be smooth when your arch nemesis is the steward lol
#damonhillisacrybaby
Lights were green, flags were green, cars were going up to race speed...
PASS WAS LEGAL
And What more jokes do you know?
@ @F1 Master 97 you could overtake after the first safety car line before this season. You can see the line just before pit entry at 00:58 in the video. Don't go round calling people dumbasses when you don't even know what you're on about. The rule got changed for this season
@@danrambaldi7553 savage
@@pippo9830 yes what about it?
Dan Rambaldi sorry dude, you’re technically right about safety care line but that does apply here. He’s a copy and past of why he got the penalty:
The Mercedes driver was penalised for breaking rule 40.13 of the sporting regulations, which states, "If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."
Damon Hill - of course it would be him that weekend
IIRC was also him who awarded him the grid drop at monaco 2012 (from the spain incident)
Grid drop for Senna moving in the braking zone...
But he ended up retiring from that race because his Mercedes was horribly unreliable
Damon Hill, eternal looseeeeeeeer !!!
John Doe Nothing illegal about it and even if it was 20 seconds was a ridiculous penalty. Could have just put him back behind Alonso
Screwing that he never won there
Please upload his 2012 Monaco pole lap onboard. He managed that time with a crappy Mercedes back in the day. As a 43 years old. Mad respect for him. #KeepFightingMicheal we are still waiting for you.
Xbox was crappy as well.
Hamdan Ali believe me if Schumacher stayed Lewis could not have gone their
the Mercedes wasn't completely awful back then. it had top rate qualifying pace but it ate tires for breakfast, so it just dropped like a stone during the race.
completely awful would be the 2019 Williams that apparently wasn't even the car they tested in the wind tunnels so it qualified last and stayed there the entire weekend
I am an Alonso fan but Schumacher did what he did right. The saftey car went in, green flags everywhere
Safety car goes in only for the public, it's still a safety car lap. That's why they changed the rule to "overtake only happens after the start/finish line". Back then the rules were "you can't overtake in a safety car lap". So it was clearly illegal. But FIA judged it was open to misinterpretation so they changed it to make it clearer.
@@DimitriMoreira it depends on where the pitlane entry is. If the entry is before the last corner, the last corner is fair game. If it is after the last corner, it is after you cross the start finish line. Schumacher did a cheeky move over here cause in Monaco the pitlane entry is before the last corner so technically it was legal. After the race, the stewards clarified that if the race ends under a safety car, no overtaking is permitted full stop. This is why Schumacher got a penalty. It was a grey area in the rules that was clarified later.
You can still see yellow flags being waved after they've gone past at 1:21.
@@DavidS-qn3jm After the race, all flags are waved along the track, they don't matter (watch any other post-race in-lap). Only the green flag right before the overtake 1:00 matters, so the pass is legal
@@DimitriMoreira You're contradicting yourself. Something clearly illegal can't be open for another interpretation. Either the rules state an action or behavior as 100% punishable or the rules are too nebulous at this situation and a grey zone appears. Changing the rules afterwards is fine, but as long as the old, flawed rules are active, no grey zone behavior should be penalized.
Brilliant and relentless overtake!!! Green lights means to every language race is ON!!!!
That penalty was a joke.
you mean jokchrr , like Alonso would say? ;-)
What a yoke!
A yoke
A fakin yoke
A yoke indeed!
Say the salt was still there from 1994.
Tommy Kee would you not be. Someone running into on purpose risking their life and yours. Don’t forget 1994,1997, 2006, 2010 the list goes on.
@@stewartgrindlay9760 Where is your Damon Hill Tears?
@@stewartgrindlay9760 Let me guess Hill fanboy XD
@@stewartgrindlay9760 What do you mean mate?
Schumi did nothing in 2006 or 2010
You are literally uneducated about F1
@@stewartgrindlay9760 Tell me why shouldn't have Schumi done what he did?
Did you watche the 1994 season?
Schumi had a worse car then Hill, yet he was dominating Hill almost every race
The only reasom Hill cought up in points was because FIA was giving Schumacher unfair and outright illegal penalties that stoped him from driving or put him back down the grid.
Schumi's *DESERVED* 1994 championship was being stopen from him by FIA
Michael: true racing
F1: no
F1: Ferrari International Assistance
Michael: cheating the rules
F1: no
Michael: Let me be dirty again
Damon: no
@@jimmymagic2438 You don't have a clue, knucklehead.
@@viktorpetukhov727 that's FIA lol.
#KeepFighting 👏👏👏
Guys, your stock footage was already 16:9 - no need to massively overscan and crop out the edges of the picture where the old F1 logo was - make the new logo cover over if (and make it even bigger if you have to).
Jon Chui finally someone said it. In the onboard footage you can see like 3 meters in front of the car. It's like there's a swastika at the edge that can't be covered for some ridiculous reason.
Or let the old logo
You expect them to do this when the very same youtube management team will turn up the V6 sounds on current videos to make them sound louder and will reduce V8/V10 sounds by making them quieter or drowning them out with obnoxiously loud music.
Say what you want about Bernie, but at least there was a bit of soul, rather than this soul-less "We need social media outreach for profits" SJW style re-writing of history as if it had never happened unless they tell us how to feel about it, much like everyone saying Max Verstappen is a good driver because they're told to say it, or like The Emperors New clothes they all go along with the lie to make it seem like they know what they're talking about.
Cough cough, defending Max Verstappen when he was entirely at fault in Baku cough cough thinking he actually deserved that cheated podium in Austin cough cough excellent overtaking max cough oh the right decision was made? cough yeah he was totally in the wrong cough cough
Whats overscan?
I think you may have some problems.
If the ruling wasn't clear, then its not Michael's fault nor concern.
But handing him a 20 second penalty is a disgraceful. I would have slapped all the stewards that day for that rubbish decision.
Worst case, they should have given to place back to Alonso.
TheBrass18 from a sportsman‘s viewpoint, I agree that the best solution would have been to simply scratch the last lap. But there was and is no line in the rulebook that allows the stewards to do so. They have to make their call according to the rules at hand.
@@TheColinChapman oh come on they make the rules they want. Hamilton passing Raikkonen in Spa under the rain and cutting a corner, giving him position back and passing again next corner (2007 or 2008 ?), finishing 1st with like a bit more than 20s, they penalize with 25s ! So is it 5s, 20, 25, they just choose the number they want, in Monaco they could have given just 5s to Schumacher but 20s was OK for them just because it put him out of the points...
It WAS clear. "can't overtake on a safety car lap". How do you measure a lap if not from start to finish, just so I'm aware.
@@TheColinChapman and decided to punish him for something that didn't even excited
@@DimitriMoreira The rule back than was (it is diffrent today), if the saftey car comes in you can overtake after the saftey car line. The saftey car came in and he overtook after the sc line. When they called in the saftey car so it wouldn´t spoil the photo no one thought about the fact that, that would mean you can overtake in the last corner. After this btw. they "clarified" that you can´t overtake on the last lap if the saftey car comes in.
Damon Hill was just being miserable. Awesome move.
That was the best pass in all his 3 Years Comeback. Master of Monaco for ever
Schumacher can have many titles, be the best at any track, like Imola, Belgium, etc...But Monaco master only to one and that has to be noticed (Senna) 🇧🇷
@@Matheus-xf9ts This might shock you but there can be several masters of Monaco. And who is the best of the best in Monaco? We will never find out.
Alonso did some incredible overtakes that year in Monaco, he had started the race from the pit and finished P6 in this circuit. I think its worth a video
p7 you mean.
P6 :)
"Some overtakes" he overtook 3 cars, which were the slowest of the field. And they were the only overtakes of the entire race.
Alvaro Martinez Incredible overtakes? He overtook the two Virgin Marussia and the two Lotus, which were 2-3 seconds per lap slower. He gained all the way to P6 just because he pitted on lap 1 when the Safety Car was out.
I think every overtake in this circuit is an incredible overtake, no matter the drivers or cars. There is no easy overtake in Monaco Grand Prix.
That was an impressive move denied by fools
Safety car went in, he overtook after the sc line... legit overtake
Paul the safety car line was just after the second to last corner. He completed it at the final corner.
@@OtterFan48 Schu judged the safety car line, and made sure he did the overtake after it. At that moment in the race, it was on. It didn't work but was worth for them to try it. Its racing guys. Not retiree drive down to the local bowls ground.
Schumacher spirit live for thousands years in every race because he is the one and only!!
Michael and his teams were always great in using what the regulations gave to them... 20 seconds for exploiting a loophole was just a joke (thanks Damon btw^^). Brilliant move
I'm so missing him... my childhood hero... #RedBaron
The Maldonator I’m glad that another knows #RedBaron 👍🏼
He was a cheater
@@jaedenmk5544 Nope never was and never will be.
Nothinge he did was illigal nor was it unwaranted
His championships were being stolen by illegal penalties given to him by FIA, so he did what was right and decided he wasn't gonna get robbed
@@jaedenmk5544 On top of this all, not only were the things he did legal, not only did he only do them because FIA was robbing him
But other F1 legends did the same things and even worse
@@jaedenmk5544 At the end of the day Schumi *NEVER* cheated nor did he ever do something that was unwaranted.
But you are an uneducated kid, you don't know shit about what happened or why things happened
Michael never cheated and that is reality
Clearly shows why he’s the GOAT
Damon Hill lost my last bit of respect for him that day, salty child. Michael showed that day that he can kick ass and it doesn't matter if it's the fastest or the slowest car.
Monaco looks so wide with them cars 😂
Wait to see it with old f1 cars
Holy crap, a 20 second penalty was way to harsh for hat move
if hamilton did that he'd be awarded driver of the day
Thank Damon for that
@@heliogt1961 🤣
Back then they didn't have 5 or 10 second penalties i believe
Keep fighting Michael, just the way you kept fighting in Monaco. Brilliant move, brilliant thinking.
20sec penalty is absolutely rubbish
Demon Hill
Fernando, Michael is smarter than you.
Yes, so smart that he even losthis initial position after the race. How did that turn out for him 😂😂😂
And way better. Even at age 43.
Fernando, Michael has more championships than you!
@@jimmymagic2438 I don't see what the FIA's bad decision has to do with it being a smart move
@@danigonzalez4299 Of course, Schumacher beat Alonso in 2005, or no, in 2006, or in 2010 No.. in 2011 ? No in 2012 ? NO 😉
Damon Hill is a failer, it was a very brillant move by MSC, Alonso knows it well.
Of course, Damon Hill. You just had to.
Oh I didn't realize I had a reply. Nice notifs, YT.
Anyway, dirty or not, that german really should've won '94 with races to spare. FIA tried their damned hardest to gift Williams and Hill the championship (wtf was those ridiculous penalties and race bans, hi hindsight... sod off) prevented it from happening.
@@martinelli03 Damon never desrved 1994 WDC, thanks to FIA he was able to fight for WDC.
Benetton was cheating throughout the 1994 season, with both their refuelling which gave them a fuel flow advantage and traction control (they had the software to activate it anytime during a race, which was stated by the FIA, plus many drivers were raising suspicion on the constant). The FIA didn't take any action against benetton for the traction control software or use of it, even though the evidence was laid out for them.
Schumacher also blatantly rammed Hill off in Adelaide to win the championship, with no repercussions for it. You can't say that Hill was gifted a championship on the basis of a two race ban for schumi, both he and benetton had cheated to win their races and championship with the FIA doing nothing
@@majesticturd9291 IT wasnt traction control, it was launch control, read the facts before starting making lies. Senna suspected they had traction control from the sound the car made but it was a early version of blown diffusor he was hearing, benetton was the first to start developing it back then.
Also refueling rig: there were more teams than benetton who did that and according to some sources they said it was legal something FIA later soon allowed, thye never said benetton cheated and forced them to use the filters, all teams instead stopped with the filters.
Read the wikipedia page on the benneton b194, it clearly states that they had traction control software installed on the car, which can be turned on at any given moment. You should do some reading before calling out people for lying
Shumi Legend!!! Keep fighting!!!
But the safety car went in....soooo
Not sure about that times regulations, but the safety car went in, and there was also clearly green, not yellow anymore :-)...
Also green flags. Strange rule...
And he passed Alonso AFTER the safety car restart line
So it was 100% regular
The fact it was the last lap made it controversial, since there was basically a hole in the regulations
Fujiwara 藤原 If he would have turned of his headlighs down the straight after the sc line he would have passed him easily.
Nani!? Schumacher overtako!
The best overtake of the history.
basically !
No, the best overtake in Formula 1 history was Piquet over Senna in 1986 at the Hungarian GP. Facts are Facts.
@@Matheus-xf9ts Dude, do you know the definition of the word ''fact''? What you wrote is clearly an opinion. And ironically, it is a fact that your statement is an opinion.
2012 pole lap on-board please?
oh yes !!
best I was able to find: th-cam.com/video/Cs_AbJw8EgE/w-d-xo.html
Such a stupid decision. The overtake was completely legal.
It wasn't. A driver have to pass the finish line to re-gain the right to overtake other drivers after safety car is deployed. Schumacher's overtake wasn't legal, even if the safety car already entered in pit lane.
@@andreaattanasio4611 Back in these years the rule was that you can overtake from the Safety Car Line which was at the pit entry. That is why you see a green flag before last corner. So it was legal by the rules. Otherwise the FIA wouldn't have to adapt the rules afterwards. Earlier it was the rule that you have to wait until the finish line. And so is the rule today since they changed it a few years ago.
Manuel Gogeißl Yes however the race officially ended on a safety car, it only pulled in because it would be unnecessary to drive around on the parade lap. Rule 40.13 (I only know this from the BBC broadcast) states that if the race ends in a safety car the cars will “take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.”
@@arranclark5232 Yes but they said track clear and showed green flag in last sector
No, it wasn't.
That pass came after the SC line, the SC was in, and the lights were clearly GREEN. That was a brilliant overtake and the fact that it was deemed illigal is ridiculous.
Is nobody gonna talk about how much this music kicks? Would like to know the name of this song if possible, it’s great
Idk why it was illegal move...
It was illegal. The rules had been designed to avoid the embarrassment of the safety car leading the field past the chequered flag. Regardless of the flags shown by the martials, because it was the last lap the race was still neutralised, and no overtaking was allowed up to the finish line, at which point the race ends.
It didn't matter who was in the stewards room, and there were three other people in there, Schumacher broke a specific rule. The punishment would also have been limited to those available in the rules. Just swapping the places back wasn't an available option.
There was no option to turn a blind-eye to it and accept that the green flags were confusing. He'd broken a written down rule that they drivers are meant to know.
MattH the text of Ruma has more sence than that
Yes there was, it was Article 40.13 of the sporting regulations. There were 4-stewards working at the race.
Rule was NO OVERTAKING before green flag on start/finish line, period.
The wording was clarified because after the Mercedes protest it was found that the teams had different interpretations of the text: "If the race ends while the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."
Mercedes argued that the race had not ended, because the cars had not crossed the finish line. Which, without going back and looking through the entire 2010 rule book for the definitions of when the race ends, is literally correct, but goes against the intent of the rule which had been discussed at length by the teams. The safety car returned to the pits because the race was ending, not because the track was clear.
Mercedes dropped its appeal. That doesn't mean they necessarily wouldn't have won it. However, the move was immediately protested by other teams and a panel of 4-stewards handed him a penalty based on a plain text reading of the article 40.13.
He had one of the best racing IQ in my opinion
Hope he will get up soon :(
@@billkent6037 rude
@@billkent6037 Bruh you disrespectful you hamilton fan
@@billkent6037 Hamilton is cabbage you idiot
@@Jimmy-lm2eg Hamilton is good man. HAM has nothing to do with this rude dude
@@GoogleGebruiker so... Vettel is a rude guy?
The Halo saved Chandhok's life
Murcielago no it didn't because this is 2010 and the halo is a complete over reaction to 1 in a million incidents
Rollbar???
It didn't save his life because it rarely happens? What sort of logic is that?
it's a joke guys...
There isn't the alo
Not a Schumacher fan but this was a brilliant move
the hard euro trance is what makes the overtake even better.
If I remember the rues were not clear as the race finished behind the safety car, this was because the safety car pitted before the flag so technically Michael waited till the safety car line then did his move and as we know if there had been more laps the overtake at that point would be legal and as you pointed out the FIA clarified the rule after this so in reality they should have only made Michael hand back the place. FERRARI INTERNATIONAL ASSISTANCE. Michael was out so Ferrari turned on him.
Here are some punctuations, I see you ran out: . . . . . : : ? ? ! ! Feel free to use them.
[just joking] thanks for the bit of clarification =)
It was also Ferrari that got him most of his titles though, and a lot of dirty racing and cheating from Schumacher aswell
It wasn't Ferrari, it was Demon Hill that was a racing steward at that weekend and was clearly still salty and decided to penalize Michael
It was Damon Hill, Mercedes are their favorite ("We will investigate Ferrari, no wing mirrors for you, that flap above the LED light smells weird, wait... What's that smoke from Ferrari's engine?")
THERE WASN'T EVEN A SAFETY CAR LINE IN 2010 YOU MORON
Its not often you see alonso caught napping. This shows how alert MSC was even in his fourties
Michael was punished for a LEGAL move at the time, which would later be adapted as punishment. Totally unfair!
Schumacher: *overtakes in the last corner*
Hill: I am having ‘94 flashbacks.
Still bitter about this. Earlier on in the lap a message had come up saying "SC in this lap" and towards the end there were green flags. Obviously nobody had thought through all the implications of allowing cars to overtake at the SC line. Even though the SC would always pull into the pits at the end of the last lap, you could draw a distinction between the race ending "behind the SC" and the SC pulling into the pits before the end of the race (even if it was just one corner).
By the second interpretation, the move would've been legal as the SC period had ended before the race was over. But since the rules were so ambiguous, it's bonkers to penalise someone without clarifying them.
ihathtelekinesis absolutely, I think there was no penalty available to the stewards either which would’ve just put Michael back behind Alonso, which would made a tiny bit more sense but not much.
These guys start racing at such a young age and the green flag means racing, if you want follow the leader at reduced speed then don't show a green flag. Michael was 100% right in his actions and should have been praised for his incredible race craft not rapped over the knuckles by the stewards.
Nope, 2010 was the first year you could overtake at the safety car line. I agree, though, it's a great change - it gives less of a window for the lead car to bolt.
I dont understand it either. I dont know why the safety car didnt lead the drivers over the finish line instead as it was on the last lap
Damon *Hill* was the steward that awarded Schumie the penalty. He was upset over 1994.
That Hill is a joke his empathy and complex is so obvious to michael that was a brilliant and bold move,nothing wrong he caught fernando napping
Sorry for beeing so rude, but HILL you fool! After 15 years he still can't accept the fact that Schumacher outpaced him, so he wanted to hurt Michael with his decission as a steward
Somehow satisfying that now he regrets having never reconciled Schumacher...
Klaus Kinski Yes Schumacher outpaced him, but he also blatantly cheated him on more than one occasion. Karma is a bitch.
By following your thinking, then the same can be said about Senna. He wasn't a saint either, you know?
Wayne Reuter Very well said.
Schumacher took him out because he cracked under pressure that Hill was re applying having dropped back.
Outpaced or crashed?
Absolute proof that the driver steward should never have raced against any of the drivers they're stewarding.
As soon as I heard the driver steward was Damon Hill I knew Schumi would be penalised.
I never usto like michael (because my dad liked him so me being young me i was supporting fernando since he was his rival in 05) but now im abit more mature i can certainly appreciate how much of an excellent driver he was , keep fighting !
Schumacher and Alonso, the last 2 legends of this millenium.
Commander Tato How about black Senna?
Senna there was only one, and died in 1994. Ham is not in the same league of Schumacher, Alonso, Senna.
These 3 in some moment of their career had very bad car and still managed to perform consistently well on them. Hamilton always had a top 3 car in all his career. Hamilton demonstrated multiple times when things dont go perfectly he start to lose morale very fast and perform bad.
Still a better pilot than Vettel thought. Vettel breaks much easier than him.
The Mister Monaco was Graham Hill so Schumi only equalled him but didn't beat his 5 times record!
Commander Tato your logic makes no sense. Vettel literally won a race in a backmarker as well as 2 close titles with not the best car as well as finished 2nd in points in 2009 with a weak car
@@AAA310 "2 close titles with not the best car as well" Big fat lies, Redbull was the best car from 2010 to 2013, like Mercedes is the best car since 2014.
Since 2009 Brawn GP we had dominating cars pretty much all these years.
Only Alonso managed to fight to the very end superior machinery and still was unable to win.
Vettel failed to prove he can do the same as Alonso with Ferrari and now he is getting pretty much fired up from the team.
Remember that. For some reason there was a rule that said you're allowed to overtake after the SC line, but not in the last lap!
so why turn on green lights and flags then?
After the line and the race didn't end under the safety car as it peeled into the pits before the last corner.
Perfectly legitimate pass.
I wonder how much pleasure Damon took in being part of the decision to award the penalty
I watched the recording of race and the final overtake in that final corner is astonishing, hardly anyone will seize such an opportunity
Upload Michaels whole pole lap of 2012!
Schumacher was awesome at the end there. It was green for all to see it was fine and a very cleaver move. A big F u to Damon Lame.
Green flags everywhere when Schumi made the overtake, the penalty was a joke.
i was super mad when he got a penalty for this.
Post Raikkonen passing Webber in Monaco 2006. That was INSANE.
Stewards got no chill and of course, Damon is gonna think that. 20 seconds though too...are we just gonna ignore that the light was flashing green? That was a high-intelligence pass that should be applauded. That's basically the FIAs biggest problem right now. They're afraid of people doing something different.
He deserved that position, Hill trying to snub him
This music is definitely the Schumacher theme tune now 😎
Just show us his Pole lap of 2012 Liberty come on
Google it
One of the the great shining moments of his three year return. Shame that the stewards on the day deemed it illegal but the magic of the moment will live on in any fans memory.
You can clearly see green lights at the point where he passed alonso. What a shame.
Dyno Mark Bullshit. Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit. As its pointed out in the video AND YOU CAN SEE THE LINE the safety car went in AND HE HAD GREEN LIGHTS so this move was 100% legitimate. The FIA just wanted a ending under race conditions (without safety car with green lights) - and so they got it. It was their mistake but they punished Schumacher for their own stupidity because the overtake was not intended - but 100% legitimate by rules.
Dyno, youre wrong with your dates. I saw the race. I see F1 races since maybe 1997. (Less every year because its more boring every year.) See doctorvee.co.uk/2010/05/17/when-is-a-green-flag-not-a-green-flag/ for example. I'm not sure when exactly it was introduced, but it looks like 2009. So thats not the question or the point here. You can not imagine how angry I was because of the decision of the stewards.
The 2 problems here are:
1. the safety car went in
2. THERE WAS A GREEN FLAG (the main problem in combination with point 1)
Even if Mercedes / Schumacher was wrong, a 20 sec penalty because of a fucked up rule book (the article says they needed 2h 30m for their decision, of course I dont know these details anymore) is just plain wrong.
They did a mistake, but instead of living with it and corrected the rules, they acted like 5 year old children and pointed in the direction of Schumacher.
I'm even angry of that right now because of that 8 years later...
When you remember the race you should know the problems they had with Schumachers action, including the safety car line...
Again, the main problem wasnt the line. The problem was the race had been officially fully restarted and the rule books needed oviously more clarification. The blame on Schumacher was, again, childish.
@@Senekha86 you watch the races but I'd recommend looking at 2010 rule book which you clearly didn't see
it was clearly legal. frustrated hill cant beat him on track so he beat him behind desk. schumacher the best #7wc
The Master of Monaco 💪
KÖNIG SCHUMACHER No, Senna was
MagicAyrtonforever senna was the King 😉
Senna 👑 of Monaco
MagicAyrtonforever Fuck Senna.
Sourav Mishra fuck you, I guess it suits better
Just gonna say this: That collision between Trulli and Chandhok is the perfect example why the Halo is great.
The legend. He passed after the safety car line so that was legal
That was a nice one, shame it didn't stand. Good times 2010 : D
Of course Damon gave the penalty.
I don´t know what the stewards have seen, but I see green lights, a safty car going into pits and a safty-car-line which was crossed by MSC and ALO before the overtake. I´ve said it in 2010 and I say it today, the overtake was legal!
I've always thought Damon Hill helped get him penalised out of spite. That move was perfectly legal.
*_It's just Michael Schumacher being Michael Shumacher._*
0:58 alonso had small oversteer, i michael used the chance. flag was green, seems pretty legal for me.
It wasn't illegal. He passed Alonso after the safety car line, which was allowed then. Damon Hill was just being petty.
Completely legal. He overtook Fernando when Safety Car was already out of the track and after Safety Car Line. Legal.
That 20 second penalty was Hill's way of taking revenge for getting his ass whooped by Michael during his whole racing career.
Better to try and fail than fail to try, sometimes.
Schumacher saw his opportunity... schumacher took it... great pass... shud of stood... ross brawn gave a great argument in his defense... schumacher legend...
Michael seems like a really cool guy, him and Ayrton Senna have to be the best and most charismatic F1 drivers of all time
Absolutelly!
From Arnold Schwarzenegger to Raymond Van Barneveld - Michael Schumacher has been the biggest idol in my life!
Michael Schumacher is the master of the masters of Formula 1. Keep Fighting Michael!
Remember that race, Alonso had a fantastic strategy and finished 6th while he started from the pitlane....
Awesome driver!
I bet he could've won the 2012 Monaco Grand Prix if he didn't have that grid penalty
I think we can all agree that the move was in fact legal and should not have been penalised.
no, its clearly illegal. Racing only starts the next lap after a safety car came in
@@hyort3613 Not at the time.
Top quality racecraft. Damon who? 7:1. :). #KeepFightingMichael
Schumi always showing Alonso how to race. No matter what you do, Alonso, you are not that guy. #KeepFightingMichael
A move to think about +
Damon as a stewart =
Penalty...
🤔
When the SC goes out, all cars can fight for position AFTER the SC line (Wich is at the entrance of pitlane); the marshall shows green flag and the race can continue even is the final lap is closing. You can see that Schumi overtakes Alonso AFTER that line, so the overtake was completely legal. But they decide to put him a stupid penalty
You can argue whatever rule you want. There are green lights and flags. In reality the stewards were incredibly biased and wanted to see Schumacher fail.
This and team strategy is why Schumacher won so many times. He was a great driver with a brilliant mind.
Kudos for the epic trance music!!
Do you know the track name?
It's called "Healing" by John 00 Fleming
k4ZE106 thank you very much!! You made my day
Andrea Attanasio Always happy to help.
He used a loophole in the regulations. Safetycar was in and racingspeed was enabled again. It was not illegal. Hill just wanted revenge thats all.
Show his 2012 qually lap
Legal overtake ..the green light flashing the sc pull in ...THATS WAS MY HERO !!!! #Keepfightingschummy