Do the Flyers Have a Shot at Staying in the Playoff Hunt Next Season?
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you have to keep in mind with Ersson that most of the moments that he looked bad were after Hart got charged, especially late February - early March and on, when he played something like 18 or 19 out of 21 games. you also have to consider that he was a rookie, and if he gets something like 60% of the starts instead of 95%, he will most likely look better. he looked absolutely fantastic in a 1A 1B tandem with Hart. through december and january, the Flyers were getting some of the best goaltending in the league, and Ersson was a huge part of that.
It's insane how important Sean Walker was to this team last season. Once they traded him at the deadline their defense fell off a cliff.
Yeah i think they make the playoffs if they don't trade him. Long term prolly the right move... but when you get in you never know what can happen
I feel like Seeler was injured immediately after the deadline too, so they went from having them to neither in that critical meltdown couple of weeks.
Sean Walker was undoubtedly an important player for the Flyers, but this comment just ignores a ton of other factors.
As pointed out, Seeler got hurt at the same time. Risto was hurt earlier, but was also out. Jamie Drysdale was hurt around this same time period as well. In short, the Flyers defense was decimated and Walker was simply a part of this.
This was also a month or 2 after the whole Hart situation right about when Ersson playing every game started to wear on him and the flyers goaltending took a major dive.
I don’t want to underestimate Walker - he played very well for the Flyers and I was happy to have him. Having said that, him not being there was responsible for 10, 20% at most of their downfall.
@@jimbo7300all of this
Seriously like a lawn dart!
AVS fan hoping they do make it...need some new interesting blood in the playoffs.
Hey thanks man i am the same way i wish other bad teams luck cause its nice to see the fanbases that have suffered get a break.For gods sake buffalo in particular has just suffered. I wanted the flyers to take makar I was leary of nolan patricks health and man.....he was a good player but he is cursed. Sad to see it end so quickly for him.
Shannon have you been to a game here in Philly? As it happens, the Flyers are playing the Canucks in the home opener.
We've done that a few times in last few seasons. If you get a chance, attend a game here! The arena was recently renovated significantly, and I'd say Flyers fans are noticeably friendlier to opposing fans today than they had been in the past.
If Torts is the coach a team can make the playoffs. He even won a playoff series with Columbus.
I just want more Torts vids… if the Flyers are successful, then I am in.
One thing is for sure the Flyers will be interesting to watch this year.
Couts played hurt at end of year and being a Flyers fan I enjoyed how they played w scoring on transition and an exciting PK w short handed goals . Our PP sucked. Hoping Michkov helps that and Frost finally has someone who can play make with and reach his ceiling. Also a healthy Drysdale on PP w getting better on D w Shaw
I get some of the reasons why people think there will be a drop off, but there’s also some positives imo. Brad shaw gets another off-season to work with the D, specifically Drysdale. I believe the players still want to play for Torts. You’ve got Michkov, a potential Franchise talent. Plenty of top 6 talent, granted not much game breaking talent, but the potential for a good season is there. The picks at the next draft is a huge bonus tho,l. I expect a lot to happen next year, I understand why we didn’t make many moves this year. The TK situation should be very interesting. Plenty of players that could be traded. Hopefully, this can be a very entertaining season no matter what.
Interesting to hear a grounded outside perspective. I have only a few thoughts from the homer side...
I think it's unfair to say the Flyers weren't fun last year. In fact, I'd go so far as to say the talking heads in hockey just decided that they can't possibly be fun because of Torts. But this past year, the Flyers scored a ton of their goals on the rush (I'm told this is fun when teams like the Avs or Oilers do it), and spent way more time in the Ozone than in the past 4-5 seasons. How is this not fun? The past season was the first time I actually believed they could win games when they were up or down 1 entering the third period since March 2020.
The Couts stuff is also kind of asinine to me - I know you didn't get too into it here but still. He wasn't playing to his own or the coach's standard due to missing almost 2 full years and needed time to rest. The media lost their minds because he was just given a tiny piece of fabric to add to his sweater a month earlier. I love the idea of team captains until the media comes in and ruins it for everyone. Let it go, guys. Couts will have a better season this year unless he gets hurt again.
Glad My Flyers Had a Better Season This Past Season Dispite Missing The Playoffs Which Made Me a Little Mad!
The plan was for Kolosov to play in AHL this season after getting getting 2 games late last season. Now it appears he is bolting back to Minsk after not being guaranteed the backup spot behind Ersson
Was that the reason? Prior I’ve only seen that he was “uncomfortable with American ice”.
@@MajoraOra64 Pretty much. Meltzer reported he was homesick. O'Connor on the PHLY podcast said there is smoke to homesick story but also he has heard through various sources being frustrated about them signing Fedotov to be the backup.
@@Gunmarzi think signing fedotov was a mistake by danny
@@Gunmarz not even just that, he wasn’t gonna get a ton of playing time because of Peterson either. And Allentown PA is not a great place for a Russian immigrant with limited English. He seemed homesick and there really wasn’t anything worth dealing with that
@@carryon3266 I don't think Peterson or Allentown itself is an issue at all. It's 100% homesick and wanting to be in the NHL. IF he thinks he is good enough for the NHL why would he go to a lesser league in the AHL when he can be the #1 guy in the KHL. But the front office still seems to think he is going to come over eventually for this season. We shall see.
Tippett-coots-tk
foerester-frost-michkov
Farabee-laughts-brink
Cates-poehling-hathaway
York-sanheim
Seeler-drysdale
Zamula(Andrea, McDonald)- risto/Johnson
Errsson-Fedotov
I don't think they make the playoffs, but I don't think they will dip. I just think the teams that flopped last season (devils, buffalo) will play better and keep us out
I'll predict that on that third line, no goals for the first 10 games
For the 4th line they get one goal in the first ten games
I sure hope so!
I'd also include Denver Barkey on their prospect list. very good season for Barkey on the London Knights with Bonk
The Torts effect is REAL
Next summer will be a real good indicator of where this team is going to be built like. A possible major trade with the amount of draft picks the Flyers have and Frost and Cates being RFA's again and possible Farabee in a trade scenario.
Ristolainen needs to get dealt and if not possible buyout next summer. Flyers will have over 30m in cap space to work with. York will probably get around what Sanheim got or lower.
The TK situation is interesting, if the Flyers are having a horrible year do you deal him at the deadline? Do you extend him and for how much? is he worth more than 8m? I don't think so and I would probably only do 4-6 years for him. I just don't want him getting 9+m that we will regret (maybe I'm wrong or get proven wrong).
Flyers have quite a few young guys that could have potential; Barkey, Gendron, Luchanko, Andrae, Bonk, McDonald, Kolosov, Bjarnason. Some maybes that are still young like; Rizzo, Tuomaala, Desnoyers, Avon, Bump, Knuble, Berglund, Powell, Kaplan, Ruohonen, Pautov, Grans, Gill. And they will keep adding to it Next summer.
What I'm curious about is if Torts (going into his 3rd year of his 4 year contract) will he be around much longer and who will be the next coach? Would Laperriere make that jump? as he has coached or will have coached a lot these younger guys.
As for staying in a playoff hunt, yeah would be exciting. Hopefully more offense and better powerplay. But if bad I know the future can be promising, especially with a supposedly deep draft next year and having 6 picks in the first 2 rounds.
If he Torts came in a few years later it would be perfect. Now they're picking 10 spots too high
I just wanna see us compete, a lot of young guys, and if they keep progressing, it makes me happy. I am glad that Danny B wasnt so quick to just say rebuild done with michkov here or when we were close to the playoffs
Phillydelphia🧡🖤
Great review who do you see as our number one goalie down the road? Also could you see bonk or jett luchanko making the team this year?
If the Flyers do make it, it'll be a wildcard spot. Rangers, Devils, Canes... 1, 2, 3 in that order. After that, who knows?
new TK contract not being in consideration makes me nervous. the plan is to be a contender in 2026 season.
It's not a great roster in comparison, but then again, this is a team game where best team wins. Would love to see them perform, but it takes few miracles to do that.
Fedorov's contract was bizarre from such a small sample size... Briere must know something we dont as he has been doing a solid job so far
Philly has a deeper offense than people realize, adding mitchkov and having a full season of a healthy drysdale will help the power play. If the flyers even had a middle of the road power play they would have been a secure playoff team. The defense is solid and can improve with internal growth from York, zamula and drysdale. The only question mark I have with Philly is the goaltending and I still feel pretty good about it. I think fedotov will improve he had a small sample size after coming over but I think he’ll show growth. And errson was at times very good for Philly last year the end of season hurt his numbers but he had moments of being awesome. I think they finish similar to this past season and either just get in or they just miss. They’re still a bubble team
lots of 'ifs'
@@blackrocks8413 every season is always full of ifs it’s hockey
I remember every time you did a Flyers game recap you would jokingly say" Did they score? No? Maybe next time"
i’m a flyers fan and i think we just need to fully tank like trade all the older guys and get pick and prospects because right not i think we’re the worst team in the east
If NJ plays the way they should, it will be very tough for Philly. Rangers and Devils should slot in top 3. Carolina, Philly and the Islanders will be fighting it out.
Yes but it depends on defence, goaltending and if the young players continue to develop. They may not make playoffs but there will be progress. Hope they make playoffs so that the younger players get the experience.
Side note - tanking rarely works. They are doing the rebuild the right way and they should re-sign Konecny. I think people keep doubting them like last year, sure it’s not a cup contender roster but it’s not as bad as people make it to be.
Still hoping Buffalo makes a run at trading for Farabee,a player they are rumored to be interested in.
I can see the Flyers making the playoffs if I close my eyes to the improvements other teams in the east made.
What is going on with Alexei Kolosov? Unfortunately seems like he may be headed back to Russia sadly.
no shot they make the playoffs. in fact they could use a nice top 5 pick in this coming years draft.
@Slipings they need to be bad this year to lock in one of those top 1C guys. I can't see them being much worse with Michkov though.
Based on some rumors about Kolosov coming out of Belarus, sounds like he may not want to come back to North America. Could be another quitter gauthier situation, which really blows
Hopefully Mitchkov gets his 40-60 goals and 100 assist! Tippit is a slam dunk 50 goal scorer! If they don’t it’s ok…no one expects them to do anything….garbage in garbage out! I benefit because the die hards who never will come off tickets are more than happy to suddenly become ill and cannot go to games! Win win for me too!
Just another prime example of Tortorella lifting up a rebuilding team to the level it needs to be near, like Columbus and Rangers.
Probably slide in as a wild card if anything. Flyers do have a handful of high draft picks next season though, maybe they try to maximize their value?
This is the year Philly needs to be bad bad, but I just don't see how they are much worse next year with Michkov coming over. The offense should be better with the younger guys getting a little further.
My poor beleaguered Flyers..... sigh... someday maybe before I die I might see another cup run. This year, I don't think so.
Matvei is their best hope
I think couterier or frost is gonna find a lane with mitchkov but the goalie situation terrible. Ersson is not the answer we need
a decent man between the pipes. I think if drysdale stays healthy he will step up and be a factor.....possibly a big one.
Mitchkov wants the spotlight when he hears us screaming for him he will be ready say I. Flyers will challenge for a spot.
if we get anything going in the net they get a wildcard. Go flyers.You can do it.
I don't think they'll make the playoffs, but it will be similar to last year. Young players make big steps, 3 1st round picks, and I also think Ersson will have a better season than most people think, but it won't be enough. I also think there might be more veteran trades in the near future...
Hopefully not
You’re underestimating Michkovs impact. He’s gonna instantly add a ton of offense and improve whoever is on his line.
@@sirfish9824 It's the other side of the puck I'm concerned about
@@sirfish9824yes and no michkov will most likely be a 25 and 35 guy in his rookie year (which is a really solid rookie year) this team is so below average and 70% of the teams in their division have gotten better and we have stayed pretty much the same michkov will have an impact but I don’t think that gets us a win out of the playoffs again
@@wooderice64I’ve watched him play he’ll be decent on defense. He’s good at intercepting passes. He’s always in the right spot he has super high hockey sense.
Since Gauthier wanted out and became Philadelphia's public enemy, Drysdale became so overhyped. Poor fella.
as a flyer fan no
in good spot, keep rounding out with experience and prospects?
Flyers fan.. I don’t see us making the playoffs THIS season. Danny sold off Walker and stacked draft picks for 2025, and we won’t see the benefit of that for at the very least another 2 years. We can’t get consistent, sturdy goaltending to save our lives. Should be interesting to see how Michkov plays under Torts.
No.. Next question?
I think it's going to be tough. Carter Hart is out of circulation indefinitely. The goaltending at the end of the year was a problem.
Michkov can play and gives them a Svechnikov 20 goal 40 point first season, that would be good. They have to play him on one of the first two lines.
I think Ersson isn't the guy, yet anyway.
I think there are guys here who could improve the offense.
I like them better still than washington and the Islanders but both of those teams have better, in the case of the Islanders, much better goaltending.
They are better than Montreal. I think they fall back a little bit. Maybe still stay ahead of Buffalo, and fall behind Ottawa, New Jersey. Maybe finish ahead of Pittsburgh, Washington.
They have LTIR room with Ryan Ellis $6.25 million and the $5 million for Peterson in the minors for one more year.
They cleaned up a lot of things defensively last year.
Poor Couturier seems to be approaching the end early.
They gave up the second fewest shots against last year 27,1 SAPG just behind Carolina.
I think they score more this year, give up more goals against and probably tread water around 11th or 12th in the East.
Doubtful, if Torts can pull a miracle run from these boys, you never know, but their goaltending...is gonna be an adventure.
I think they overachieved last year and should regress, despite Michkov coming in. Still in a rebuild so I won’t be upset with seeing the young guys get time while hopefully getting a better pick.
scoring 222 goals is not 'over acheiving'
@@shellysmith1037 They were a projected bottom team and just barely missed the playoffs. Not sure how your stat has any relevance.
Sabres fan here, as someone who has honed in on Joel Farabee as a perfect trade target for our top 6 for a plethora of reasons, I’m wondering what Flyers fans would like that return to look like? I would love to hear from everyone, thanks
rodrigo will drag you into ploffs
No
Nope
Future was good when Hextall was GM
They were so close to squeaking in last year
Coutourier, Frost and Laughton sucks.
It’s too long a season. 80 + games is ridiculous
Yes
nope
Theres a surprising amount of optimism in this comment section
Top 3 worst goaltending in the NHL
Do the wings next!
Being a Flyers fan is painful, excluding the bubble this team has not made the second round of the playoffs since 2012
Canucks/Flyers fan confirming it’s all pain, at least one of my teams is on the come up
With the caps and detroit also improving itll be a fun battle to watch! Rooting for the caps tho
I feel the Flyers have not done enough to get bad, so they can get good. Laughton and TK should be moved sometime this season. They need to fully commit to the rebuild, it feels almost like Hextalls ‘rebuild on the fly’
Flyers future is bright, I know that
Not with Tortorella as the head coach. As a player, I would have ZERO interest in playing for ANY team he was the head coach or even if he was on the coaching staff but not the head coach.
@@hockeyfan7100 good thing you aren’t a player and your opinion means absolutely nothing ☺️
@ScottStenlund your argument doesn’t make sense tho because a team that was supposed to be a lottery team, missed playoffs by 1 win. Young guys like York, Tippett, Frost, Farabee, Sanheim are all having career years 😆
@@hockeyfan7100Torts gets hired to be fired within 4 years. He will be there for the rebuild, then replaced once expectations rise
@ScottStenlund what? Thats exactly what they’re doing. Flyers are the 2nd youngest team in the NHL behind Buffalo and briere just got 3 first rounders and 3 second rounders for 2025 draft. Do you follow hockey?
No, the goaltending is sketchy without Hart and the team is made up up 2nd liners.
If the goaltending holds up, sure. If it does not, they might be a lottery pick
I really enjoyed watching the Flyers when they were winning and losing prior to the end of year collapse. Whatchu talking about THG
alexi Kolasov has already stated he doesnt want to play in the nhl. i cant believe how many trusted people dont know that. kolasov will not be an nhl goalie. at least in the next 3 years.
www.broadstreethockey.com/post/latest-on-the-alexei-kolosov-situation-with-the-flyers/ You sure about that?
@TheHockeyGuy still seems up in the air to me. Even after reading. Hopefully he come back.
@TheHockeyGuy also you posted news that came out well after your video.
All signs pointed to him not returning until last week. It is still up in the air imo.
Yet there's a contract and you're claiming knowledge that he will not be in a Flyers jersey for at least four years. Don't believe the gossip during the summer. It is often wrong.
Hard to say but at this stage, I would have to say Philly is not getting in. RIght now, the "givens" to make it are the following (keep in mind some of the "givens" last year fell out): FLA, BOS, NYR, CAROLINA, DEVILS. Those 5 are in. Tampa and Toronto are good bets to get it in..too much talent and good goal tending to not make it. That leaves one spot for Philly, Islanders, Red Wings, Caps, Pittsburg and also assumes that teams like Montreal, Ottawa, Columbus and Buffalo are still rebuilding. For Philly, it's an uphill battel this coming year.
Flyers should move couturier and koc early in the season and get ice time to the up and comers… Travis asking for 10 mil a season according to the rumour mill… he’s not worth it… free up cap space and ice time for the future
Couturier has negative trade value and a nmc konecny will get 8 milion dont listen to stupid rumours
Uhhhhm....no
as a flyers fan, i honestly kind of want them to stop doing this thing where they fight for a playoff spot and just end up losing in the first round or not making it, and getting shitty draft picks in return
Without improving their goaltending, I can easily see Philly take a step backwards and Torts' blood pressure take a step up.
LETS GO FLYERS!
Flyers fan here. They will have a MAJOR drop off. Torts had them playing well over their heads. There are weaknesses everywhere in the lineup. Chuckles the incompetent Clown Fletcher destroyed the team and it'll likely take another 2-3 years to improve. At this point, their salary structure is hosed and they can't afford to do much. The team has Frost and Coots as one and two C. That is expansion-like centers.
As a Canucks fan, after the first year of Torts it’s all downhill
@zjsz4954 I could be wrong, but I don't think so. No pressure to win right now, plus him being older, should help mellow him at least a little bit
@@zjsz4954 torts was only there for one year though, and he had several good seasons in Columbus and New York
You didn't mention him at all but shout out to Zamula, I think he can be a good asset in the future for us.
no, they won't get better this season. They'll finish low
A slow and steady rebuild wins the cup.
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Nnnnnoooooooo.
Michkov will get them there
With THAT defense and goaltending? They're out by December.
@@HarryRiceHockeyyes the defense sucks
@@sammodding4609Sanheim has bad games but he's not bad.... York has been very good... Risto and Drysdale will be healthy, Seeler will be fine for the a 3rd pair guy... their D isn't terrible, they just have to stay healthy....
I hope not. They need a lottery pick
@@HarryRiceHockeylatter than the former. I think the defense is better than the goaltending.
Nothing matters…the flyers fans drink the orange koolaid Danny, Jones and torts is selling….danny could finish last and gets a pass…he has best job in all of the NHL high expectations with no accountability if he fails it’s a win win…torts will move to front office cause it was promised…coach with 3 seasons and no playoffs and gets a promotion! Ya don’t say…benches the cap again who bled for 12 years and the fans take torts side! It’s bizarro land and it’s called Philly!
Hi this is Gord in Hamilton.
To properly assess an NHL General Manager I like to ignore the top paid players on the team. All GM’s enter the business with an intuitive ability to spot and overpay star players. This does not separate any one particular GM as better or worse than his peers. I mean I could choose and sign Conner McDavid. I’d deserve no kudos for that. I strongly believe that to asses a GM we should look at the bottom 50% of the team as sorted by their pay. This would be, by my definition, one half of the team’s players.
As an exercise do this sorting for every team in the league. Now we find ways to compare the quality of the “bums and duds team” for all 32 cities. The GM that can reliably select the best low paid players will be rated high in my books. An organization that has a process to continually monitor and compare these bums and duds will also get a high rating from me. They will reliably snag and sign the best of the lower pay echelon. The rest of the league may not know how to do this.
Alternately, instead of the bottom half players perhaps we could draw the line at say, 4.25 million per year. I’m saying that the best GM has the best team when you consider only those players that make 4.25 million or less.
Realistically, this is one of the worst rosters in the league. Terrible top 6, terrible bottom 6, terrible defence, terrible goaltending. I've no idea how they got that many points last year, but I expect them to drop drastically.
true. Seemed they did not play well, it just teams around them also had a bad year. They only scored 222 goals last year, they need another 70 goals to get into 'good' range. Just shows how crappy other teams around them were last season
That is just wrong flyers have a solid top 6 good bottom 6 good defence and okay goaltending
Michkov will probably be in Tort's doghouse by the end of the pre-season...
If Michkov gets around 80points they might have a chance at slipping in the playoffs.
probably not, respectfully they need about 70 more goals not points
Michhkkoovvvvvvv
Everybody knows they gave Fedotov all that money to bribe people in Russia to let Michkov leave. Ok, that might not be true.
Kolosov came over and went AHL and was extremely homesick from what I read. I don't know how great it was to be in Lehigh Valley / Allentown for such a short time. Maybe coming over for a full season the team can put some people around him to make him more comfortable.
I feel this Russian kid puts up 100 points and flyers make playoffs
lol.....
@shellysmith1037
Tk hits 88 points becof him
He plays with frost too frost puts up 55 points
Tippet gets 30 goals finally
Coots hits 50 points
Torts plays him on line 1 a d 2
I look at it that flyers have 4 2nd round picks . In 2025. Avs and oilers draft pics are very late. It's just a glorifies 2nd round picks
This team should have went into a rebuild years ago
they did.... 4th year
@@Netcentric-fk6ek who are the young talented players? You have 1 good young player in Michkov. Trying to make the playoffs isn’t part of a rebuild. Getting a crop of good young talent roughly in the same age would be a successful rebuild. Philly has not done that…
@@pattylonglegs3353Foerster york Drysdale farabee tippett bonk barkey tuomaala rizzo Andrea mcdonald gill sotheran bjarnason brink kolosov ersson zavragin zamula luchanko michkov by my count thats more than 1
If Carter Hart was still on the team sure but not without him
The problem with him (other than what he's probably going to be banged up for) was that he has these amazing hot starts and we're all thinking "shit, this could be it" but he seems to fade throughout the season with some great matches here and there.
Seems like he's going to be playing in Belarus playing for Dinamo Minsk in the KHL for the time being.
The russian kid may surprise you
Flyers NEED Johnny Hockey
Please get him from Columbus
No Johnny is a bust
I dont get why they don't go with ginning and attard with their 3rd pair and zamula as their 7th dman. Seeler should have been traded at the deadline.
Becouse zamula is much better than those two
The entire organization is a joke and has been for a long time we’ll see what jones and briere can do I think the coach is a moron unfortunately we’re kinda stuck with him for the next couple years unless they realize it’s 2024 not 2004
Torts gets old quickly.
No