John Deere 50G. Did I buy the WRONG Mini Excavator?
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Once you bought some big ticket item like this, stop your research. Stop comparing. That's like questioning if you married the right woman. You bought it, don't look back. There will always be something "better".
Keep moving forward. No regrets.
Agree with you here on making comparisons after you paid for it or lol married wife that's a fine point indeed
At least it will run like a dear . I want a komatsu PC01
Does it dig a hole where you want it to? Don't over think all that specs. Enjoy your machine. Bobcat's claim to fame is branding, not quality. I have had poor experiences owning Bobcat equipment. Down time was so often that I no longer use their machines. To each his own. Buy a piece of equipment with the best dealer support you can. You will need them at some point.
I agree a lot of people (including myself) get so caught up in the specs and details I can’t even enjoy my new purchases or I spend so much researching them that it’s a huge chore lol even Before buying them
I loved my bobcats from the early 2000s, but everything I hear now, says there computers are failures. I honestly don't know which one I'd buy now. My old one still runs great and I have no desire to replace it. 100,000.00 for a 10,000lbs mini is ridiculous
@@user-bd5md5cm2j Especially when you can get 12,000lb. mini with a 5yr/5000hr warranty for 70,000.
As an operator/mechanic of pretty much everything from skiddys to feller bunchers... don't worry about if the other piece of equipment is better or not. They all have their idiosyncrasies. You bought what you needed. Use it. The only thing a mini ex can't do is bucket as much material as a loader. You did good in your purchase.
All I know about these little guys is that they are cute
Bought the same machine in 2020. I love it. I work it!doing large septic systems, brush cutting/mulching and general purpose mini excavator work. It has never let me down. Doing the 500 hr service on mine now and couldn’t be happier. 👍🏼
@@AllstarVentures what kind of mulcher did you buy for your 50g.
@@robmaxwell119 I went with the Rut manufacturing mini disc mulcher. Have a few videos posted using it
Owning a construction company we have used them all. We start with the weight of the machine and the horsepower as the first criteria based on what we need it for. When it comes to excavators we have found Hitachi and Caterpillar are the best in the business and our company has been in business since 1946. We have tried them all. It's the parts and service CAT offers that is really hard for anyone to beat.
I concure. I ran Hitachi, cat, JD and Kobelco. Hitachi and Cat were my prefered machines. My brother is a HE mechanic and he prefers working on Cat as well as a good mutal friend who is also a HE mechanic.
I think the important thing here is you have the machine that works for you. It’s kind of like HD trucks, everyone one of the manufacturers does a pretty darn good job but there will always be a leader in certain segments. At that point it all comes down to your preference and the deal that you got.
I own a small excavation company in Colorado Springs.
1. Did you get a sub par unit ? Absolutely not regardless of specs that machine kicks butt.
2. Most commercial job sites run john deer or Cat not often do you see the other brands.
3. The problem is that John deer does not innovate there new mini excavators . Bobcat keeps pushing new ideas and find ways to compete in that sector. John deer is like the iPhone there so late in the game however super safe and Reliable.
Personally you do not need a Reinforce blade or arm . That machine will stall out way before you break something. It does not have enough power to break itself!!
Also having a electric grease gun like Milwaukee or Dewalt is essential.
I like Caterpillar machines but they are not for the small guy that said I think any machine is good... But I kind of agree with this guy you go up to a salesperson can you tell me the parts that our cast and what are the metalurgy of that cast part..... I would be interested in metals that can't be welded easily such as nickel and others that I don't know about.... But the guy would not be able to tell you anything about that because they are not well trained in the job... They get training to give you a sales pitch not informed the buyer, that's my opinion
The best excavator is the one you have sitting ready to go. I have a Bobcat e42, but if I had that 50g I would use it just the same. Don’t second guess. Just get to work and enjoy the fun.
I bought a 26g back in 2019. It’s been the most reliable unit in the fleet ever since. One big difference with the Deere is the use of pilot controls. Most of the other brands use an electric over hydraulic system. It might take longer to get used to the Deere but you have more control in my opinion.
Bingo just said same thing only down side to Deere is the cab it’s a bit tight but not unbearable
Straight pipe and turbo kit. Cleetus can help you with that. That 50 G will be pullin 8's in the quater...
When it comes to equipment, dealer support trumps all. Specs mean nothing if you can't get parts or service. Or if you have to drive hours away or ship in parts, vs just waking in and grabbing it. Always go with the better dealer.
As far as NA vs turbo, the na engines seem to be more liner in power delivery. They will feel better at lower rpms. Plus they're less sensitive being shut off without a cool down period. Bigger na engines also aren't stressed as much.
We have a pair of tractors (one 250hp 7.6L turbo, the other 230hp 14L na.) The turbo one does have more power when wound up, but the na one will not die when pulled down, vs the turbo one will fall on its face under a certain rpm. I love turbos, but big displacement engines just have something about them.
no one ever has parts in stock. thats a fallacy.
Your machine is more then you will ever need for your homestead....... Remember the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence...
Very true, but it's kind of like buying a pickup and then seeing all the competition has better specs.
It all boils down to, if you are using it as a " working tool " around your property to cut the cost of farming out your work to a contractor. Or if you're using it to sub- out the equipment to recoupe you're expenses on the purchase price.
DOES really matter if it's the "BEST ONE ON MARKET " ???
Great content i enjoy your videos
If it works for you,don't worry. 1 inch plate will always be stronger than cast or a hollowed out design: the trade off is weight. Customer service is very important for home or commercial. As far as greasing; grease is cheap compared to breaking a part.
I have been operating (and wrenching on) equipment for 40 years. I have owned since '96, and currently own (11) pieces of "iron" (from skid steers to 65k# excavators). I love owning and operating heavy equipment. That, combined with the detail and breadth of my equipment knowledge, probably makes me an "equipment nerd" too. I still make all the equipment purchasing choices, personally demo them, and have experience from both the "owning", and "operating" perspectives. I guess those are my qualifications to comment. At the least, it shows you where my opinions come from.
Your question/s is/are quite complex and can not easily be answered in conversation, let alone in a "posted response". What may be better for one application, or another, is subjective, and so is what may be more important to the perspective owner as well. The best advice would come in a dynamic conversation that would allow the potential advisor to ask questions of the potential purchaser , etc. Cost is also always a factor. Really, this can be a "rabbit hole" subject. How deep do you want to go?
I'll comment on some of your specific queries, and then offer much more overview/generalized comments below.
Specific:
Regarding cast iron vs plate steel.... Both have different performance properties. Which is better depends upon application. Plate steel will generally be more rigid while cast is softer (less dense) so it can "give" a bit before it will crack. Cast iron has been commonly, and successfully used (particularly in swing frames) for decades. As it specifically relates to Deere/Hitachi vs. Bobcat at the top of the boom, I have seen many failures there on Bobcats (including my own machine). Though I have seen failures in the cast piece, my issue was not a failure in the cast section, but rather the boxed steel boom itself, at the point of attachment to the cast pieces (actually failed at the top AND the bottom of the boom). I have had to repair it probably 3 times now. The Bobcat boom has undergone a redesign since I bought my last Bobcat mini so I can't specifically comment on the latest design of their booms. Personally, I don't like the direction that Bobcat has gone since acquired by Doosan, and IMHO, they already had poor support even before that. But as a brand, Bobcat has always had high performance, especially on the spec sheet. Numbers on a spec sheet don't always equate to real world performance (see "demo" below). I still prefer the performance of my '06 Bobcat 435 (over the other minis that I have owned or have demoed, ironically, even over newer Bobcats) but Bobcat support is lacking (see support comments below).
Horsepower is not usually the best way to compare performance. The way the hydraulic system and engine work in concert may allow one MFR to get similar performance from less HP. Where Bobcat HP is particularly helpful is in the higher, relative, track speeds they have. One thing for sure is that more HP equals more fuel consumption. Machine weight has usually been the best way to determine which machines are in the same "class" but to "demo" them is the best way to compare them. The turbo charger won't matter much for you because of your relatively low elevation. In your case, not having the turbo means one less thing to fail (IMHO). Ironically, you mentioned "Does it make it generate less heat?" in your video....The early version "G" series Deere/Hitachi minis were known to over heat. You'd see guys all over town running them with the hoods open to assist with cooling. In my opinion, the same , or even less, HP generated in a larger displacement block will present much less stress to the engine and thus allow longer service life. One must weigh this against fuel consumption. If fuel consumption is important (usually much more so for contractors than home owners) than I suggest monitoring this when you demo.
Hitachi and Deere mini excavators, and the larger zero tails (like my 245G) are the same unit other than color, stickers, and seat covers. They are usually sold by the same dealer in a specific region. In the larger conventional excavators the Deeres would come with Deere engines and Hitachi would come with Issuzu, or Cummins. Hitachi brought Deere excavators to a whole new level which earned them a much larger market share in the construction industry. At least here in the US. It was good for both of them. Now, they are divorcing and will only share production of the larger zero tails (still to be made by Deere) according to what I have heard. The quick coupler you referred to could have been added to your 50G (and still can be, even if not made directly by Deere). I demoed a 50G that came with one. If your salesman told you otherwise, he is misinformed, or not telling you the truth (many salesmen frequently fit into both categories).
Overview:
In my humble opinion, product support should be the number one (#1!) consideration. When weighing this, the brand, AND your specific dealer, should be considered/evaluated for product support. Go out and get opinions from those who have direct experience (with both) for each brand you will be comparing. (I offer this liitle side note as a comparative example: I have had a control panel failure on my Bobcat mini. This is a common, known failure of a component that is shared across many Bobcat models, over several years of manufacturing. Though this machine is "pre-emissions" (it's an '06, so Tier 2 or 3), this component contains the ECM of the machine so (to my knowledge) can't be found in the after market. This part is "no longer available" from Bobcat. Unless I can find a "work-around", this component failure will render the machine useless, even though there are several thousand hours of useful service life remaining in all of the other major components in the machine. My '04 Deere 3 yd loader had a similar failure and I can still get that part today from Deere. I can still get parts for my '97 Caterpillar. I know that I can still get Cat parts for machines made in the 80s, the 70s, and even older, direct from Cat, and/or in the aftermarket.) Though not an absolute rule, on the whole, the better mechanics (career guys/gals) will be working at the big name brand shops. Name brand shops will usually have better equipped service trucks as well. My local Caterpillar, and Deere, shops will offer me advice on repairs when I am self performing them. My local Bobcat shop will NOT, but I have received advice from a dealer in a different area of my state. Bobcat has a corporate policy to not help end users directly (ask me how I know). Support certainly can be a regional or, even more so, a specific dealership condition, but I have been in several different regions, and dealt with many different dealerships, and have developed my opinion through my experiences. All machines are likely to break at some point. Choose a machine that comes with GOOD support. Certainly, there are those who are "brand loyal". Hopefully not to the point that they are blind to the flaws of a particular brand, or dealer. But often times those loyalties are earned through experiences. Brands like Cat and Deere are large because they have consistently delivered a good product, combined with good support, over time. Many would, and could, argue that the difference in quality, reliability, and performance, is getting lesser all the time. While I still can identify differences, I think that this argument holds water as the "lesser" MFRs are getting better while the "big names" are often sacrificing quality for larger returns for investors.
When considering/comparing machines, always "demo" each candidate in your application prior to purchase. All the MFRs have found their own way to market their machines. They each will point out features that are designed to cast doubt on their competitors, and steer you towards their machine. To "demo" each machine is the only good way to evaluate what will work best for you, in your application, at a cost that you are willing to pay. Next would (again) be to talk to owners of the perspective machines. Most folks are willing to share what good and bad experiences they have had with their machines. I certainly would....Even to my competitors.
I don't know anything about your local Deere dealer (so I can't intelligently comment about their support), but at this point I hope that you are not worrying about whether, or not, you bought the absolute best machine. If just for the sake of interesting conversation, then enjoy yourself within it. For sure the machine you bought will be well beyond most applications a homeowner would ask of it. Since it's a Deere, you will likely get, at least, fairly good support (and hopefully they will continue to offer parts for it for decades longer as you will likely have it for decades before it is "worn out"). Probably a more poignant (even if less interesting) topic would be whether, or not, you could justify purchasing vs simply renting whenever the need arises in your application. ;)
Just curious whether torque values are published with these engine specs and whether that would be a better indication of hydraulic pump performance
Rebranding many items has been around awhile. I picked up mowers from one plant here in the US that produced at least 4 different brands. Little slight changes but basically the same bin of parts to produce each.
Enjoy your machine- Having owned and operated many brands...
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With what your doing on the farm, you would of been fine with the 35G. I have 800 hours on my 50G and what sold me on it was how smooth the machine is. I am always working around underground residential utilities when I install septic systems an I like the control I have.
On anything like this I feel you should greese is every time it's used. When I ran equipment for a living I greesed my machine every day. Cast parts are not going to have as long of life as plate steel.
Btw one major reason I went with Sany is the 5 yr warranty. For comparison my SY75C with thumb and coupler was just over $84,500 out the door. That’s with 0% financing.
Interesting. I added a 5 year total machine warranty from John Deere for like $500 to my machine. Not sure if there is a difference in coverage.
Claimed HP, claimed breakout force etc etc is subjective.
Pump sizes, hydraulic hose and fittings sizes, hydraulic ram configuration, axis of moving parts, fulcrums etc etc all play a part in over all work-ability. Weight of parts, size, height and width all differ and thus where some work well others might fall short.
In the 70’s I ran a TD-25 dozer which at the time was comparable to a D-9 but with the transmission it had you could run tracks in opposite direction at the same time. That feature alone made it more maneuverable over the D-9 we had at the time.
Yanmar makes great mini excavators. When other manufacturers use Yanmar engines, it makes sense to take a look at a mini excavator made by Yanmar. I also like the attractive red color.
home depot ditched kubota and went to yanmar minis
@@DieselRamcharger I like that Red too, looks awesome...
i ditched HD @@DieselRamcharger
i think yanmar also has the smoothest hydraulics on mini excavators
I have rented the same John Deere you have, it was almost new and I also rented a Kubota 057 (a bit older). I found that the Deere was a nice machine but it did lack in breakout force but more importantly in stability. I was clearing land and removing large stumps and found that it was much tippier than the Kubota and as a result, I had to be more careful when trying to break the roots or load the stumps. The controls were also a bit more twitchy than the Kubota.
an upgraded counter weight will help this. Also a 50 G vs a 057 are 2 different animals
Ive often referred to our 2007 John Deere 35D as the singer sewing machine of mini excavator’s. With 7000+ hours on it, its the machine that just keeps on ticking.
So when it came time to add another mini to our fleet our 2021 John Deere 50G was the natural choice. And with 900+ hours it’s been just as good a machine.
Imo, sometimes simple robust machines are the ones that continue to make money over time. But at the end of the day the right machine is; the one that fits your trailer+truck combo, meets the jobsite criteria and demands, meets your brand vision, and most importantly is comfortable and enjoyable for you and or your employees to operate. 🍻
Technic is a huge factor in breakout force. Also bucket to stick geometry will affect force. A pinned bucket will always outperform a quick disconnect bucket. But you lose the convenience of the quick disconnect. Deere usually cranks up the pumps not only for pressure but volume also. If it does the job you bought it for, then there should not be any regrets. For a mini yours has a longer undercarriage. Better for stability but harder to get into tight spaces. Operator technic is the major factor in not only efficiency but longevity of the machine. Someone running the cylinders to the ends of their strokes is not efficient and not nearly as smooth. I've seen guys claim to be operators rip apart excavators. I've also seen guys so smooth and easily outperform others by a mile. Just because it could reach 20 feet doesn't mean you should dig that far out. Start your dig with the boom and stick at a 90 degree angle and always dig over a sprocket. That way if the ground collapses you won't be confused about which way to move to avoid falling in the hole. The sprocket is a lot more stable than the idler wheel. The backfill blade is just that. It's NOT a bulldozer blade. It's major purpose is pushing loose soil. Don't rely on it for a stabilizer. You also lose working distance digging over it.
never dig over a sprocket {drive motor} are you high?
@@DieselRamcharger You dig on the sprocket side. That means you dig off the rear of the machine. That way if the ground is ready to collapse your not fumbling about. Hit the traverse pedals and your out of the danger zone fast. Any excavator operator manual will tell you that.
I own a small company (2 employees) that does tractor acreage mowing, forestry-mulching/land-clearing, machinery based demolition, and excavation. We have a Sany SY75C and a Takeuchi TL12R2 high flow (along with tractors for the mowing side). One of the biggest things for me is dealer support. This may not be as big of a deal for you tho since the machine is used commercially / as your main income source. We have been very happy with the machines. I agree tho with other previous comments that you probably have way more machine than you will ever need. It’s easy to get tied up in the detailed specs. Ignoring all the info you have seen on other machines out there, do you feel like it is under-powered? Do you find yourself constantly feeling limited by its capabilities?
All deere excavators are built by Hitachi sir large and small, Hitachi and deere have split and deere still purchase from Hitachi. I hear deere is going to design there own . Dont get caught up on horse power man . I had a takeuchi tb257fr was 52hp kubota engine. Traded it in for this 50g lifts more than takeuchi. Hitachi hydraulic pumps are top notch. Also there is a big difference in weight with options. 50g with standard arm and no additional counter weight is around 10,500 lbs. Long arm and additional counter weight this machine is almost 12,000 lbs . Bobcat has great power but it will rock you to death. Not very stable. Relive valve is very important.
I'm a nerd too and tend to geek out on gear and other stuff. I don't own one of these nor have I ever operated one, but you have legitimate questions. I have a question regarding the Bobcat for example. Since it is heavier it seems natural to me they would ad extra horsepower so it can move at relatively the same rate as others in its category. Naturally, by having more horsepower it seems to me it would have more breakout force. Of course I assume that also depends on the strength of the material in the arm/bucket/thumb? As a former machinist I believe your machine is more robust. Cast metals are brittle as you know. I could be talking out of my behind too. LOL Just on a side note I'm amazed at what the lower horsepower diesels can do. I have a 50hp Yanmar on my 22, 000 lb sailboat. Of course moving through water is easier (if its calm) then say on land. I have seen boats around my class with 15 hp less and that scare me. If I ever have to replace it I would prefer 75 hp. A couple of reasons why are the extra hp for inclement weather if needed and if running a high output alternator like I plan too it will suck up a decent amount of the engine's power. Oh, also turbos are just another point of failure and expensive in my opinion.
having run tons of rental units in my time I never found the jd to lack any capability, and they are reliable, and cycle times were always about as fast a a guy can handle spinning around, and they were reasonable on fuel. but the best part about the deere is usually the a/c cab with stereo on a tiny machine. like even on 26g.
You got a good excavator you don’t need as much horsepower to turn your hydraulic system John Deere has very strong hydraulics and they are Madewell if I was buying an excavator it would be a John Deere I enjoy your TH-cam channel keep it up
IMO The time for spec analysis is before you buy it. I completely geek out over specs and usually no more about whatever I'm buying before I walk into a dealership.
That said...If the machine works for you and you're not second guessing the price you paid, just use it. If you can resell it for about the same price, then maybe you do want to upgrade.
I've been looking at tractors and Yanmar is the only one I found giving a 10-year powertrain warranty on their diesels. Their excavators have a 4-year 4000 mile warranty. Probably worth looking at.
Im in love with 35G and 50G they my favorites , Not a fan of Cat
JD, you are paying for the John Deere name, their service, and SAE specifications. Don't worry about other machines, take the machine and run it! You state you have 36 hours on it, Sir get in the machine and put some hours on it. Find a place and dig with it, spend a week, 40 hours digging. Learn to run it faster and cleaner. As far as over the side load, I don't see you really lifting heavy pipe or concrete man holes, like contractors do. You are mostly digging for shallow water lines and drainage. Things I have noticed, and learning your machine, was when working in your pond you didn't remove enough dirt from the ramp and place it along the building. Look at the loading angle of your dump trailer your machine can climb that with little problems. You could have cut another 4 foot out of the ramp and been fine climbing out.
Lastly worrying about specs on machines only counts when you are paying operators and bidding work,then you have to look into things like fuel burn, operating cycle times, dig depth, lifting capacity and loadings. Then you test out equipment and compare machines. For a homeowner to rent say 4 machines for a couple of days each to see which one is best for what I call light work, is expensive and for most confusing, while a contractor thinks it's a smart investment.
when picking a piece of equipment or a vehicle I prefer to think of it like selecting your spouse. The key to being happy with your choice is to QUIT LOOKING.
I have a 60g. Bought new 5 years ago. 2500h. 10 out of 10. Not a single issue. Not one. Not a hose, weap, creak. Nothing.
Better over-the-side stability based on a single extra roller is primarily gimmicky I think. It .ight improve stability ever so slightly in soft conditions, but I would expect it to be very difficult to notice. I would think it would make a bigger difference in roller longevity if anything 🤷♂️
I run the 35g here on my farm. Honestly the 50g is over kill for what it seems you are doing. You bought the best in class.
Go run the bobcat. You’ll quickly learn their numbers are complete bogus, and the machine has nowhere near capacity of the Deere.
The Deere you really just buy the name. Reliability toughness gotta love the Takeuchi. Deer has great reach on the 35 and 50g models. One of the biggest takeaways when u get the long arm.
Case and Komatsu tho are serious contenders. Big power, long reach, dependable.
Guys love their kubotas tho as well.
I don't know about construction equipment so take the rest with a grain of salt. Here is what I would think. Any cast metal is usually softer than forged or plate. The forged or plate will be more brittle than cast, but cast will dent/bend then tear before plate or forged will. The typical solution to make cast as strong as plate or forged is to use more metal (thicker, etc). This is probably why the other units are heavier.
You said the breakout force (I'm writing this after finishing the video. I might have the term wrong) is less than it is on the other units. I assume the breakout force is the amount of force it has to break ground initially. Like, through soil, pavement, concrete. Your unit is rated to 8,000 pounds, which is 2000 pounds less than it weighs. I'm sure this rating does have to do with hydraulic pressure, but it may also be part of a safety rating based on the weight of the unit. Too much downward force in relation to the weight of the unit could cause a risk of rollover.
Lastly, the engine. The naturally aspirated engine is going to be less stressed than a smaller turbo charged engine. This will likely lead to a longer service life and possibly longer service intervals too. The smaller engine may more fuel efficient at idle, but usually with equipment you set it to a rpm and go. The engines are designed to operated and provide maximum power at a specific rpm. The engine for this unit would have been selected with that in mind. Turbos expand the operating power band of diesel engines, in addition to adding power. N/A diesels tend to make max power over a very small rpm range. If the engine is designed to make max power at the rpms that the unit will typically see then there is no problem with it being N/A.
A higher horsepower engine would be able to supply higher hydraulic pressures, but the amount of force applied is determined by the hydraulic cylinders and piston size and rod size more.
That is the limit of what I can offer. Like I said I don't know anything about them.
Personally I would have purchased a different brand because of Deere's stance on right to repair, but that is me.
I used to work for a aggregate processing company and they always bought Caterpillar excavators and payloaders. When they decided to upgrade their excavators they went with Hitachi for their excavators only. It was because of price and service and mostly reliability. In my opinion i would look at Hitachis for a excavator but if you ever look at front wheel loaders you cant get better than Caterpillar.
Cool down cycles are less important when there is no turbo. My cat dealer quotes a 305 (11,500 lb machine) at 90k
There is something to be said for engineering that isn't easily communicated through a spec list. A high hp machine might have really crummy hydraulic engineering that leaves it needing a bigger engine to keep up with a machine that has a well engineered hydraulic system. All that bigger engine really does is use more fuel. There is a lot to be said for load sense systems, how valve spools are cut and how the hydraulic circuits are plumbed. None of that can be well represented on paper.
Years ago Had my 3k hour 35d and new bobcat e35 with 200hrs trenching mechanical on same site 35d break out force & cycle times everything about the Deere was better besides the nice 10year newer cab on bobcat .
I’d pick that deere over bobcat
The deere/hitachis are itentical besides paint on the minis These are super reliable The dealernetwork and parts availability are second to none With a deere Bigger engine no turbo is more reliable less parts to fail Possibly more fuel efficent not running as high a load on engine As for track speeds that’s all how the hyd and pumps are set up every brand does it different the travel motor displacments pump flows sprocket size all different between manufactured Who does it better that’s up for opinion all i can say this is comeing from a deere construction equipment technician these rarly have a hyd failure and are super smooth to operate
Hello , I have the same reasoning as you for my mini excavator! I chose a Hyundai R 55-9a (see my split oak TH-cam channel), because it has a 3.3 liter engine without turbo of 65 hp, the most powerful on the market for a 6 ton (equivalent to the John Deere G60) which has more torque at low revs so it consumes less when working in Eco mode while being as efficient as other brands. In France, Hyundai is 8% of the market and Kubota is the first. You should not always listen to the fanatics but compare and see the use you are going to make of it and know which repairer you can count on if you have problems. breakdowns! 👋👍🤙
That's interesting... LoL what runs the machine the hydraulic system somehow the engine must be paired up to the hydraulic system... LoL
Always been a fan of bobcats main booms on the e50r2 series at the stick cracks and breaks they have been having a lot of issues with them I believe that’s why Deere rates them lower for reliability vs power I actually just bought a brand new 50p Deere only complaint I have is their cabs are tiny compared to bobcat as for digging and performance I would absolutely put it directly in with the bobcat e50r2 it does the same heavy work now I know the g series Deere was right around 11k lbs the p series with long stick and the counterweight weighs in 200lbs lighter than the bobcat e50 negligible in weight honestly mine has no issues taking out 60’+ trees same as bobcat honestly the fuel efficieny of the Deere vs bobcat is way better also seems like the clock don’t rack time half as fast as the bobcat does maybe the Deere is working harder with less fuel not positive yet the biggest bonus and the thing that really sold me besides the 24k discount sale they had going on was pilot controls vs electro hydraulic like bobcat the controls of the bobcat hesitate pilot controls are smooth as butter another feature I like is being able to swing the boom with my foot rather that fiddling with the controls while I’m trying to sweep through a pass
Hey I work maintenance on alot of small excavators at the job. I have seen more bobcat’s come in then others but majority of those are skid steer models with different attachments. We also work on a larger John Deere like yours nice machine and powerful. Yanmar is a decent engine. If it had a turbo you would have more horsepower. I would rather have larger cubic inch motor without turbo then smaller. I’m case of structural I’ve seen thick steel plate crack.
You have nice machine with the thumb. Did you purchase any larger or smaller width buckets ?
Your question about the 50g model is that most mini excavators are rated in metric tons and if you look it up the 50g is right at 5000kg and that goes for most all brands. If you need better understanding look at Messicks video he did on excavators.
Your question about the 50g model is that most mini excavators are rated in metric tons and if you look it up the 50g is right at 5000kg and that goes for most all brands. If you need better understanding look at Messicks video he did on excavators.
I own a 2009 Bobcat 335 mini. its a 9k lb machine without a cab. I bought it used with around 3k hours on it. Its loose, some pins and bushings are wore out, but still in tact and on its second set of tracks (my fault). The engine is strong and doesn't smoke at all. Its a Kubota V2203 4 cylinder engine. I bought it because it was all pre-emissions. Like you, I don't use mine to make money. Its only for my property maintenance. I don't have anything to compare it too, other than the few times I've rented them in the past. Certainly its not long enough to evaluate it thoroughly. I did find that, at least with my mini, its very expensive to fix.
many people would disagree with me... IF you want to buy a reliable excavator... depending on the country where you live.... buy : Caterpillar ( issues with electronics) volvo ( same). hitachi. komatsu. doosan. liebherr. dont buy something else... and for gods sake, dont buy wacker neuson... these machines are hell holes with errors. look on websites which models from the past 3 years are sold the most used with low hours... dont buy these.
I wouldn't worry too much about horse power. This machine is all about hydraulic flow in my opinion. Coming from a guy who has all of 12 hours in the seat of my cousin's Caterpillar 306 miniexcavator. I think it was about 65ish horsepower but had planty of hydraulic power.
As far as the breakout force goes I don't think he should concern himself with that very few jobs meet the condition to notice breakout force. Cast iron is something that I would concern my self with, not because it's an inferior part (may be or may not be) I'm not metallurgist but parts do ware out and break and cast iron is not weldable. For the record, there is only a couple of places down south in FL were rock is that heard.....machines that have a of wear on them would rip open(the boom,dipper, or bucket) what rock is it...hell I don't know I'm not a geologist but I do know it is hard as hell... but I do think he got a good equipment
I own a Komatsu PC 25 made in 1996. I use it hard. Moving and stacking logs. I have a mechanical thumb. I have bent the aftermarket thumb due to excessive log weight. The pins on the arm are worn and sloppy. The engine smokes a bit when it’s cold out. I have broken the front window glass. I have replaced bearing and hydraulic lines when they wear out. It goes slow. And I am sure the engine has seen better days. She ain’t pretty. But she still digs, it lifts, it plows and it starts. I keep saying I need to pass it along and am looking to buy a new one. And I appreciate all the knowledge and comment in this section. Everyone seems to have a favorite brand. I think I have to agree with most comment. Find good customer support. Or a good local mechanic. Or be ready to spend some time repairing it your self.
Thank you everyone.
Unless you're going to utilize this machine to make your 'Living' with , you're getting all wrapped up in the details due to your engineering background and it isn't going to make any difference !
IF , you're unhappy , sell IT , and go buy another machine after you've finally crunched all the Numbers ! You obviously , have the Re$ources to OWN whatever machine you wish to buy !
woah, do not buy in to the longer intervals for greasing, that is bullshit. grease is cheaper then pins and bushings. there is nothing magic in john deere pins that I have ever seen. every machine says 50-100 hours on the pins including my chyna Sany 50. DO NOT do that. lube the thing every morning
I’m thinking all the questions you’re asking yourself now should have been asked and researched prior to buying. I’m looking at mini’s now somewhere in the 3.5-5 ton range. Speaking of tons, those are metric tons so 2200lbs per ton.
On a positive note DTE, SE Michigan’s energy supplier uses the Deere mini’s. I see them with the G35 & 50.
Your are totally over thinking and this coming from a guy who can complicate a cup of coffee. I have run all sorts of equipment and it really comes down to personal preference, if your digging stumps you want a lot of break out, if your trenching cable lines you want something "nimble" . Also they are some cabs that absolutely suck, like the ones with the tiny little foot pedals, remember your going to in there 8 to 10 hours a day.
First two specs I look at are weight and horsepower, sometimes your paying extra for a name tag, just saying
Biggest reason here in Delaware is dealer support. Contractors tend to stick with a dealer who has parts and provides prompt service to their jobsite. Brand name is somewhat secondary.
Deere os Hitachi. Bobcat is Doosan. Cat Wacker Nuesom.
I think you're splitting hairs on specs, so long as it does the job you're asking of it. I've heard MANY times that the availability for this thing to get serviced in your area pretty much trumps all at this point in time.
If it fits on your trailer and you can haul it down the road without a CDL you bought the right one. I messed up and bought the Hattachi ZX60USB-5N and with the trailer and machine I cant legally move it without a CDL..
Next time ask these questions before you buy.
Honestly it came down to availability and dealer service. The Deere dealer network is awesome.
If I was you I would have got a sany it's more than enough to do farm work and save some money
I’m about to buy a used one. 3077 hours… $25,000. Good deal??
Dealer support is first a foremost. I can speak to deere vs bobcat vs cat as a full time operator thats been on those three. the deere is my personal favortite. spec sheets cant tell the whole story and i feel you get more out of the deere than the other two. faster/smoother hydraulics and you wouldnt be able to tell any difference in lift capacity. the amount of counterweight matters more than the number on the spec. you wont find something as a amatuer that machine wont do for you. another commenter said you could have gone with the 35g and i agree with them. stay safe with it way more machine than you need which is not a bad thing.
Never buy a turbo charged engine.They run hotter and therefore do not last as long.
Ok i will help you out. Horsepower, especially in equipment like this, MEANS NOTHING. Torque is what turns the hydraulic pumps. a Higher Horsepower Smaller Displacement engine means that engine is running at HIGHER RPM. this means more heat, more fuel use. shorter engine life. a turbo engine in a car can save you fuel because the turbo isnt always lit up. A hydraulic machine the pump is always working the turbo is always spinning the power curve is pretty flat. Fuel usage remains constant as engine speed varies very little.
The HP is directly correlated to flow, as in running auxiliary attachments like mulchers, hammers, auger drives, etc... The hydraulic pressure is nearly irrelevant because you can manipulate the machine to take advantage of leverage and position to do things like rip out stumps or dig out rocks. Same with machine weight. It appears over-built and under-powered, which translates to higher longevity. Same with non-turbo engines, just less stuff to go wrong. As long as you didn't purchase this machine to run hi-flow attachments, you should be happy with and love your machine.
We fell in love with the Bobcat E55 coming in around 10500 pounds. Each brand has a winner and and for Bobcat it's always been the E55 it's their flagship. For the smaller ones we run a John Deere G17. Also a clear winner in that size machine. But most importantly you need to be close to your dealer. With good parts and service. If you don't then you can't Justify any machine. They need maintenance they need parts.
E55 is 12000lbs
Hi Mike, better check your weight if your towing under cdl . Bobcat e45 weighs 10,800 lbs with long arm , e50 is around 11500 with long arm. E55 with standard long arm is 12500. I owned e45
Flagship is e50.
If you are not using it to make a living or something specific there is no reason to get that far in to it that is more than you should ever need
You bought one of the best minis money can buy.......enjoy it
If it is capable of more than youll ever need then why does it matter?
Your Hdy flow and swing motor and drive motor is what you need to look at
From the limited perspective of a hobbiest welder, I like the sound of plate steel over cast...cast what? Iron? Though I've never tried it, I understand that a weld repair on cast iron is difficult and maybe not as reliable for a high stress component. So in that regard, plate steel seems much better. I believe that your breakout force is influenced not just by horsepower but also the geometry of you excavator as well as the hydrolic cylinders. For example, longer boom and stick result in less breakout force. Zero tail swing will also result in a little less breakout force. The size of the hydraulic cylinders will obviously influence their power.
The larger displacement non turbo engine will run cooler with lower internal pressures. However, it will pollute more.
John deere is a much better machine. You made the right choice.
It all compares to weight, pump size, way the tool is mounted ie pinned,etc.. To me I'd rather have a 4 cyclinder non turbo like yours making around 8hp per cyclinder which will lead to long life without being turbocharged and one less item to fail. Also dealer support for wear and maintenance items. I dont think by any means that you are bringing a knife to a gun fight in what application you are using yours for.
The way I look at machines I always think.....will it make me money? If not, does it save me money?
As far as jd goes....we shy away from Their farm equipment. Reason being, they have definitely moved away from being able to be serviced by their owners. Atleast, that's the case out my way. Other brands we deal with will actually send out reps to give a general service presentation to operators.
The 50g is a great machine good on fuel its fast its smooth definently a good deal at that price.
In my opinion the best 5 ton machine is the cat 305 its not the most powerful not the fastest but its a almost perfectly balanced machine. At the end of the day its a just like the ford /gm/ ram argument get what works best for you and run with it
K, made it through the whole video now, lol. Im not a fan of deere but you got a good machine. Dont worry about al the little specs and what not. At the end of the day they're all gonna do the same job. One might be a little better here but lack there ya know.. The 50g is a nice, smooth strong machine that will do a lot of work. I think as far as best brands takeuchi, kubota and yanmar are at the top of the list but that being said theres nothing wrong with what you have. When I bought a mini I wanted a 35 size and went with takeuchi tb240. I've spent lots of time in a few different deere 35g's and those belong in a sand box. Same with the 85g. Our company has had 2 or 3 50g's though and they've all been great. I do hate the cabs in the john deere minis though. The hard plastic arm rests drive me nuts
Formed steel will always be stronger than cast steel. Formed is much more expensive however
Just wanted to chime in,I use equipment everyday for my septic tank business and when I was looking for a excavator in 2015 I searched everyone of the manufacturers for their machines and done my research,I have run just about all of them at some point and knew what I needed it to do,I want to say that everybody has their favorite but for me I bought a bobcat e50,it has been a workhorse,49.5 hp,it has run without much downtime and has been the best machine we have purchased,when we change the oil it looks like new oil,the doosan engine is one of the best,the strength of the hydraulic and all of the way it’s built has sold me on bobcat,I have around 3000 hrs on it and with minimal slack in the bushings I believe it’s going to be around along time
I never have or will an excavator. But I think this is a good example. My dad said one time that he could get a maxxed out Chevy. Get it to ride and drive like a Caddy. And Still be cheaper then the Caddy!
I agree with others that specs are not everything, how it feels and operates is much more important. You certainly got one of the best if not the best in its class. If money was left out of the decision the John Deere would be my choice.
I wouldn't worry much about the specs on paper, they all have their flaws. I wouldn't personally buy a deere or bobcat, but i think it will be decent for you.
Definitely needs a dually to tow it!!!! 😀
If its a hitachi no you didnt. If its a john deere yes you did.😂
For what you are using the John Deere for and with a sandy soil you should be fine.
it goes further, hitachi doesnt make them either LoL Hitachi ZX50U / Airman AX50U
yeah Wacker is involved now. doesnt mater who makes it
If it fits your needs (as you claim it does), what’s the problem? There’s always something out there with better specs or something new that comes out next year that’s “better”…if it’s paid for and fits your needs I fail to understand the dilemma
Sometimes it's just seeing that you may have gotten a better value for the same price. Key to running a business.
Jd is a good choice, stay away from bobcat.
The advantage they have is it’s a John Deere
Thats a great machine. Run it and forget about the other brands. But if you are unhappy with it I will do you a favor and take it off of your hands!! Sure beats the hell out of a shovel
Most of these machines are abused daily by people who didn't purchase them. Your machine should give you many worry free years of service especially since you own it and will most likely care for it properly.
I am looking for an excavator right now. I'm leaning toward Sany. They copied Cat off patent design, use larger per ton Yanmar engines, and have 5 year/5,000 hour warranty. And they come to your site to service warranty work. I'm in Georgia and their parts service center is just south of Atlanta. Oh, and they are less expensive pound for pound.
I've heard good things about Sany also. I've been told they feel underpowered compared to almost all other units. This is from a utility contractor that runs a mix of a everything. He has 4 new SANY 5ton units he got earlier this year because CAT, Kabota, and JD weren't available.
I've heard good things about Sany also. I've been told they feel underpowered compared to almost all other units. This is from a utility contractor that runs a mix of everything. He has 4 new SANY 5ton units he got earlier this year because CAT, Kabota, and JD weren't available.
The yanmar you have is a way better engine than the doosan engine that comes in the bobcat . Stay away from doosan engines. Total junk. Your way better off with the little yanmar & The 50g will way outlast a modern day blobcat. Blobcat used to use yanmar & kubota engines. I think doosan owns blobcat now. So they stuck their 3000 hour throwaway engines in them. Have had terrible experience with doosan engines period.