I get bored driving automatic. And driving manual is a skill, and most likely has youngsters engage in their car more rather than being on the cell phone and driving at the same time. Fewer sleepy heads falling asleep on the road since they are more engaged. Just my 2 cents.
As a european that is used to manuals I can assure you that's just not true. In my country (Spain), the vast majority of cars are manual. The most common cause of accident is distractions while driving, ahead of exceeding the speed limits or DUI. Once you're use to drive in manual, it's pretty easy and you don't need to pay too much attention to the road.
I don’t care if the automatic shifts faster. I buy a sports car for how it makes me feel, and nothing compares to the control you have over the car with a manual transmission. If your plan is to drag the car all the time at the track, buy the automatic.
If your a true muscle car enthusiast especially from the past the 60's & 70's. You know the real & true muscle car is manual. Some people prefer the automatic for those reasons of convenience automatics are fine. You have to shift a real muscle car it's apart of the essence of what a muscle car is.
@@Batman-D, back in the '60s and '70s, no true muscle car would sacrifice any of it's horsepower to the automatic transmission's torque converter if it could be helped. ( They weren't very efficient back then. ) A 4-speed manual was a requirement for any car guy/girl with 2 working legs. So basically, a car with an auto was considered a 'granny-wagon' as a rule. ( See my comment on the '73 Torino with the column-shift auto, elsewhere here. That particular car was most certainly NOT a muscle car. )( It could'a been though, with a few minor changes. )
@@Batman-D really? how long have u been driving manual, im driving for 2 years now and my clutch and shifting is synced so perfectly that it almost happens on in its own without even thinking about it.
Automatic is like driving a Go Cart! I have a Scat Pack 6 speeds and I am in love with it. I have lots of fun controlling the car and mastering the shifts. Anyway, automatic or manual, Dodge Challenger is the car!!!!
Speaking like someone that hasn’t driven a manual transmission as a daily driver. If I wanted to use paddle shifters I would play a video game. When it comes to driving a sports car, I’m old fashioned get a manual transmission. The only good point I found in your video was faster shifting and remote start on automatics. I daily drive my scat pack and I’m getting better gas mileage than you show on your dash. And lastly if you wanna hear great shifting make sure you know how to drive a manual transmission. Good vid tho
anthonyeromero that doesn’t mean the auto doesn’t get better MPG, just means he doesn’t. These 8Speeds will auto perform a manual in any fuel efficiency test
100% agree on what planet does a Automatic sound better than a Manual? Nothing tops a manual exhaust and if you do a mid muffler delete it sounds like heaven.
I have a 392 Shaker/manual. I agree on most of what you are saying except the sound. There is no sound like the manual. Not even close. The auto does offer more features and better in heavy traffic driving. But if you are good with the clutch, there is nothing like driving a manual. I drove both before I made my purchase. I like them both, but the manual is what I really like.
@@mikereeves282 Same on my '17 Camaro SS with dual-mode exhaust. I get pops and burbles on downshifts or just a throttle drop. I also get a loud brap when the auto upshifts. I generally use the paddle for downshifts and let the auto do the upshifts - can do it all without touching the shifter, since the paddles are always active.
It's all a matter of opinion. Some people just want a manual. Others just are not satisfied unless they have an automatic. I have an automatic because I conduct lots and lots of road travel so I prefer the automatic. But that's me. I just hope people buy what they want and enjoy it. Life is too short
manual is better, auto is for lazy mfs. most of em cant even drive. besides with a manual YOU control the car. not so much with an automatic. how the hell are you going to be a fanatic or an enthusiast but liking the casual part of it? come now.
I have to say do you really buy a car like this for fuel mileage ? yes I own a 6 speed & a daily driver & enjoy the hell out of it ! auto is faster sure but I like to really connect with the car as far as clutches learn to drive them every part wears either the auto or manual I'm old school yes 2016 scat pack modified runs just fine !
JOE G. if automatics are faster than you in your 6 speed than you're doing it wrong 😂 i'm 17 i beat my friends ford fusion turbo automatic in my honda civic manual (1996 d16y7) stock, and we're starting net o get rich wannabe ricers around hear driving audis and corvettes and i beat them in take offs obviously but i'm beating 600hp cars on take offs in my 100hp civic
@@snakebyte7271 So what does all that do for the clutch? Faster? Feels better? I daily drive a stock 04 civic 5spd and would love to get a manual hellcat. I get sick of driving manual sometimes, but probable because my car isn't fun for me anymore, not exactly the transmission tbh.
The same amount of cars will pass me by on the street in a 2019 6MT Challenger as they do in my 2019 8A Daytona Charger, but the manual is way more fun to drive.
This is the exact point people miss. There's a degree of satisfaction in rowing your own gears, holding gears, etc. Been daily driving for a while now and my next car will also be a manual. I'll leave autos for things like family cars and trucks.
Yall hilarious, I've been street racing a very long time. If you know how to drive a manual then it's not a problem. I dont lift when I shift! I bust automatics ass all the time. If you can leave properly then you won't have an issue.
@Isaac Sanchez I dont play in traffic, we have spots way out in the country. No other traffic but us. I also have an 8th mile track not far from me. But to each his own.
@@bobquattrini1787 maybe stock, but not on the street. A FBO 10spd will run over a hellkitty. And nobody on the street is stock. So a 1320 doesn't stand a chance. They don't make enough parts.
No hate her handsome. I just bought a Challenger RT and waiting or delivery. This is a great car and will be my third one. This time a got a bright red with gray interior. In my opinion, the Challenger is a more comfortable car than the cramped Mustang and Camero.
Engines with MDS (4 cyl deactivation mode) need a rebuild on average 2-3x sooner than one without. Buying a manual will save you that hassle later on in the cars life. Also, the reason you couldn't get the Dodge Demon with a manual had nothing to do with track times, it was because the TransBrake dodge made was only compatible with their automatic transmissions. Same for the scat pack 1320
I drive 5.7 T/A plus 6spd. What you said is all correct and so true. I always start slow on green light, no auto start even in cold/humid NY weather, no cylinder deactivation so mileage sucks and gear shift is slow with my hand....but I'd still choose manual over auto. The one feeling I get from manual melts away all negativities I mentioned above. It's just simply irreplaceable. Great video for future Challenger buyers though!
I also have a black 2018 challenger RT 5.7L Manual trans with only one optional equipment and that’s Super trak-pak. I figured I’m getting he smaller slower engine let it be alittle more fun with a manual . And I was correct I wouldn’t get the 5.7L in auto. But the gas mileage suck, specially after I lowered it with 315 back 275 front aftermarket wheels. I’m getting, I checked today and dash shows average 7.5 miles per gallon. But then again I always have my sport mode on with traction control off. I mean always rain or shine . Soon as I get in the car I hit the ignition then sport mode then traction off . I guess I feel like I’m paying for muscle car let it always feels like one. But I do turn it off when I go through neighborhoods because with my Mid muffs deleted it can be loud .
@@arthurchalle4124 actually if you want to kick up the throttle response go and buy a Pedal Commander. I have a 17 Challenger T/A 5.7L 6spd. I also have the Z automotive Tazer and I bought the 3 buttons for the pod on the right side of the steering wheel where there is a three-button wide cover panel. I have the Tazer set to start the car in sport mode always so all I have to do is hold the traction control button for 6 seconds and if the oil pressure is low enough away I go. The Pedal Commander has taken my average MPGs from 15.7 to 18.9 since the beginning of 2019. As far as the fuel economy my average fuel economy has not been reset since approximately 11:30 a.m. August 22, 2017. So benefits are when you want the extra punch in the throttle the commander gives it to you when you want higher fuel economy you don't have to push on the accelerator like you do in Factory sport mode. The benefit of the taser is you don't have to spend any extra time when the car is already warm putting into sport mode because it already starts that way. Between the two of them it was an extra $570 but those, mainly the Pedal Commander are already starting to pay for themselves. Now the three buttons I bought for the dummy pod on the right side, well it's not a dummy pod it's just covered, I am able to use those for other functions controlled by the Tazer and due to the taser being installed you can also remap your sport button to be used for something else. Mine from left to right are set up to be line lock, physical sport mode button because the car comes out of sport mode when you let off line lock, and the last one is for the engine cool down mode that the Tazer offers.
1. MDS saves you about 1 mpg 2. MDS causes lifter failures, sometimes around 30k 3. Clutches are a less expensive repair than a lifter and camshaft 4. Yes, the auto is faster. 5. Yes, auto start is a nice feature 6. Everything else in your video is subjective.
Automatics are faster, and on the Scat, its over a second faster ET. Manuals are fun for the old school banging gears though, my first Chally had the Tremec. I prefer the ZF 8 speed I have now.
You are right they do sound good but Trash for daily driving honestly. Still a wonder beast but manuals r dated now. I would only buy JDM manual even then 2012 and under for that... Lol manuals are still fun very good for personal car engagement all preference
the paddle shifters for the A8 are good enough to get the "shifting-bug" out of your system. But then you can turn them off when you don't want to shift
@@richardcerritelli9657 I bought ONE new car with a manual. After a year I was stretching yellow lights because I didn't want to go through the gears again! 1990 Eclipse GSX (AWD turbo) had a really bad synchro on 2nd gear. 1st to 2nd very fast or very slow OK, in between = crunch.
@@mikereeves282 Can't disagree more. But then it is an individual thing. I am an old fart (60) and nothing makes me smile like going through the gears. I had a corvette with paddles and hated them. Now I was raised on straight drives and it is really effortless for me. Now if I was going on a long trip, an auto would be great. With that said, the challenger is my toy, but an auto will never be as fun as a manual for me.
I think you should get what you like best. I’ve had both. But I prefer the automatic now. As long as you enjoy your car, that’s all that matters. Both are super fun!!!!!!!!!!
Ok, so that's one pro. Versus his eight. Plus he mentioned that very fact so I don't know why you even brought it up. I'm a fan of manuals too, but if someone buys this car just to daily, I'd say the auto is just a little better, in terms of fuel economy and things like that.
Now, I love my stick, I’ve used a stick for daily for the last year and I honestly want the auto challenger, but that’s because I’m looking for a nice daily that I can use all year round, and for me that means snow as well, and the auto in the snow is so much nicer then the manual, I don’t think I could use the car in the snow with a manual, also the throw and feel between 4th and 5th on the new challengers is really odd and can be easily messed up, and for a car I want to use daily I want it to be reliable, having to replace a clutch is expensive and when it’s going out is gonna suck to drive. I love the manuals but i would only want the manual if i rarely drove the car. Lastly tho, I would want the auto because I still have the option to making it a manual-ish shift and you’ll have 8 gears to climb apposed to 6 and it just a lot of fun. All in all I love this car because stick or auto,v8 or v6 the car is nice and really give a feel to the driver that’s uncanny to any other car made today that don’t cost 60k or more, well done dodge
I always wanted a challenger.. The only reason It took me a while to get one, but I cuz when I found out most of them were automatic and I wanted a Manual.. Yes you are totally right.. Yes my wife has a auto start so she don't freeze her self.. She is a lady.. Yes automatic is gas efficient.. But then again if anyome wants a real sports car then you need a manual. Well unless they can't drive it.. Of course.. It took me a while to find a manual and it's amazing I have the 5.7 hemi rt and I love it.. I wouldn't change it for nothing.. When new friends find out it's a manual. They dont belive me.. They have to see my car and some people even ask me if I special order from the dealer. And it feels amazing.. I don't want to run on 4 cylinders is not a cavalier I want to run on 8 cylinders the whole time. I don't mind the gas.. It comes with territory. The sound I changed the borla muffler and it sounds amazing..
I own four vehicles, two Harley's, one Toyota Tacoma, and a Camaro SS. They all have a clutch. However I do agree with you. The automatics in cars today are far superior to any manual on the road.
I'm 72 and in my day, we all knew how to drive a stick. I had a stick in my 2016 Challenger Hellcat and what I learned is that a manual transmission is a great anti-theft device as most young people can't drive a manual. Having stating that a manual can be fun to drive, I found my Challenger Hellcat became tiresome to drive in an urban area. It became a pain is the butt in any kind of traffic, going from first gear to second gear and back to first. It was only fun when you got out on the highway with light traffic and you could open it up.
This is my opinion but im not old enough to drive but when im old enough i would need a automatic Dodgr Challenger 392 cuz what if i try to put in in drive and its reverse and i hit a car that's embarrassing
in new manuals they lock you out of reverse unless you pull up on the stick. my advice every time will be test drive both and see what you like better. learning with a manual in a big city is extremely difficult btw especially if its hilly. to be real with you don't get a 392 before your finished with school you're gonna end up working to barely make payments, insurance is gonna run your shit and your not gonna be able to drive it how you want because gas and brakes aren't cheap on a 4100 lbs v8. finish school, get a fulltime job and get your credit up then buy one. I saw two of my friends get a 5.7 when they were 16 and they didn't even have time to enjoy the car because they were working so much to afford it and that's a 5.7. also just to be honest your gonna have to be careful with a 392 because if you at fault crash you're fucked your insurance is gonna x4 and your gonna lose a shit ton of resale. after that affording a 2002 civic is gonna be hard. im not tryna crush your dreams but sometimes dreams gotta wait a bit longer or theyll ruin you tryna keep up with them.
Wow! I just watched the whole video thinking that maybe you would convince me... didn't work. I've owned 2 Mustang GTs, 2 Challenger RT's and a 2018 Challenger Scat Pack... All manual. Been driving manual for the last 20 plus years. I finally decided to give the automatic transmission a chance, in my new 2021 Scat Pack WB. I am hating life every time I drive the damn car. I love how it looks, but the driving experience sucks!... Cant wait to trade it in for a new M6. OBTW, I've never met anybody who bought a Challenger to "save a little bit of gas". Its just my opinion. Thank you for the content of your video 👍
My 2020 scat has "hill start assest". By far the most awesome piece of technology if found in this car. When your foot is on the clutch and the car starts rolling backwards if you put your foot on the brakes then let off it will hold the brakes for 5 seconds or untill you hit the gas.
Thats why I use the stairs rather than an elevator. If there's no stairs for me to use then I just simply walk right out of the building. What's the point of having legs if you're not going to use them. 🤣😭
It's fun to listen about troubles with driving manual as wrong clutch usage or trying to shift on 2nd gear with 80. I am from Europe and always used manuals, the same as 99% of people here. Now i bought a Challenger R/T with automatic gearbox. It is just much more comfortable. And that's it. In every other way manual is much better. But I don't care, I will use it as a daily driving car, so it must be comfortable.
I drive a 2018 Daytona 392 and the paddle shiftier's are fast and have super quick response, people romanticize the manual but technology has changed everything, but hey each to his own so enjoy what makes you happy! Stay safe and FAST.
You think maybe age has something to do with it? I don't care how fast or smooth a paddle shifter is, it will never touch the fun of a manual. But I drove farm trucks (manual) when I was 13, and first 2 cars were manual. Even now as an old fart, a manual is just more fun.
bogieman101 age might have something to do with it but not always I’m 22 and only drove a manual once 7 yrs ago and I’m getting a manual hellcat because there’s just something about a challenger with all that power and being able to switch between gears just seems fun. Plus it’s a good investment in a couple yrs all hellcats are going to be only Automatic and manuals should at least hold their value if not increase
Here’s my take on all this.. traction is everything I don’t care if you have a six speed or an automatic if I hook up in my six speed and you have no traction in your automatic I’m going to beat ya . So when people say the automatics faster yeah in a perfect world if both cars hook and maybe by a couple of tenths of a sec. as far as the fuel economy goes a friend of mine has an automatic 392 and drives like a bat out of hell and I can tell you I get better gas mileage with my stick it all depends on how you drive the car period. As far as a fun factor goes the six speed outweighs the automatic big time I will agree if it’s your daily driver an automatic is better. My 392 is not my daily driver. Also a automatic is more likely to be stolen then a six speed you’d be surprised how many thieves can’t drive a stick.
Ok, so manual is not that hard to drive (it's hard to drive it well). Took me 20 min to learn. The thief might be learning on your car how to drive stick for the first time 🤣
I just got a 2016 RT Challenger with 6-speed manual no regrets! I'm old school there's nothing like the feeling of driving a stick I don't care if the automatic is quicker
It just feel better to beat others with skill with racing manual then just let a automatic transmission do the work for us and automatic only shows who just has the fastest car by winning but manual shows who has the fastest car and who is the better driver with higher skills by winning
My only regret with my C5 vette was getting the automatic but it was my daily commuter. It wasn’t engaging to drive. With that said I did just buy a challenger GT automatic over a hemi 6 speed because the paddle shift is somewhat of a compromise.
What tires are you running? I like the tread pattern. (I went with the tarmac, I like the control- maybe not as fast but not by much with my Barton industries short throw shifter crisp precise shifts, and I got 1 of 216 made with the options & color) and my down shifts have a snap crackle and pop that the automatics just don't have as well as taking off sounds incredible. To each thier own, I wouldn't have gone with the auto even if I could do it again,6 speed all the way. And I daily my car in Boston traffic and wouldn't have it any other way(till winter)
Forgot the haters. Almost all the reasons you list are exactly why I want the auto. People who only want the manual already know what they want and there's no convincing them. If I ever get another stick, I'll save it for a classic car I had 2 cars with sticks for years, I got rid of both and got an auto, and I just don't want to go back. Sure, when you drive a stick it becomes 2nd nature, you don't even think about it, but when you go back to auto, some of us just enjoy the relaxation of it. I still go for the clutch & stick all the time in automatics, it's still 2nd nature, but it's much more relaxing without it And driving a stick in San Francisco can be fun, for about 5 minutes, then you wish it was an automatic... Plus, I can let people drive an auto without worrying about how well they can drive a stick (*some* people in *some* situations of course...)
Is there a sport mode in the automatic? Other than the regular "drive" and "manual" mode can the automatic go into sport mode by pulling straight back on the gear select again while in drive
I saw someone else say this, the manual is an anti-theft device nowadays. I have driven mainly automatics most of my life, and I just recently got a manual six speed challenger 392 scat pack and I love it shifting is like speaking to your car, faster faster go go go😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Had manual transmissions in two Challengers, one a Hellcat and both needed the skip shift eliminator to stop the computerized programming of making you go from 2nd to 4th gear as a gas saver.
Says auto is more economical. Dash says 15 mpg. I'm still waiting for someone to prove that any auto can hold up in real world mpg during a typical daily cycle, not just in a lab test.
The 15.2 is because of only city driving. Back when I used this as a daily driver I was getting around 19 or 20 if not more. The higher gear ratios allow for better fuel efficiency. This is primarily witnessed at higher speeds when you are in 6 or 7 gear. A manual doesn't have 8 gears so naturally you went get the same efficiency.
In sixth this thring is just over an idle on the highway at 72mph around 1500 rpms, I feel like kilng of the road passing at will is no problem, so much torques from a low rpm absolute blast to drive on long road trips. (Other than getting gas- gets good milage as long as you keep your foot out of the accelerator- not as easy as it sounds)
Same reasons apply to 6th gen Camaro SS. I can add a 9th: torque converters are covered under warranty, clutches are not... Also glad you pointed out that paddles work with or without manual mode. I drive with my left hand ready at the paddle for a quick downshift when needed. Also, does the challenger shift down to the lowest gear it can tolerate, when you hold the left paddle (or hold shifter in "-") for over 1 sec? I also envy Mopar owners because your shifter goes foreward to downshift, and back to upshift, in BMW style. Even though I've never owned a BMW, I feel that's the way it should be. Seems more natural to pull back when it throws you back in your seat... Maybe there's a conversion kit?
I have a 2019 R/T and love the sport/manual mode. Can you confirm your comment about the floor shifter not upshifting at redline while in manual mode ? I was under the impression that the transmission would upshift automatically at redline weather using the floor shift or the paddles.
To my understanding if you put the shifter in manual mode it will not shift up for you if you are at redline. If you use the paddle shifters (not in manual mode) then it will shift if necessary. I'm pretty certain on that but I've never tested it personally because I don't want to put stress on the engine.
And that a 2019 Dodge Challenger RT Scat Pack 392 I get automatic to I can drive I'm still going to be free I cannot drive no man you I have to have a automatic Dodge Challenger RT Scat Pack 392 automatic.
There is another issue, the $1000 gas guzzler tax on the manual. The Automatic option is $1595. When you select the automatic then the guzzler tax is removed. So the auto really is a $595 upgrade. This applies to the SCAT PACK. But when comparing for a R/T car the trans is a $1595 cost as the guzzler tax does not apply to the 5.7L motor. So really depends on which car R/T or R/T Scat Pack. Hellcats auto is more money, and you also have the gas guzzler tax as well.
Thank you so much for sharing very much appreciated indeed. No matter what kind of shifters what’s do really matters is to Drive a Dodge Challenger by enjoying each single moment on this icon 70’s car nowadays with all tech which increases the pleasure of driven far better…. Efficiency..Safety..and Beauty..set the experience and a pure Joy to have one… Drive in Beauty and Gratitude…
Nice video man. Great information on the transmission. I got rhe auto on my 22 scat pack. Quick question did yous come with that nice dodge line on the truck? Because mine did too or do people just put them there because I got mine used with only 1100 miles on it.
@SchwayZ_ ok interesting. Mine don't have that package on the sticker but I got the line only on the back. Actually like the black ghost has same thing.
Haha! 15.2 mpg (4:45) with an automatic. I have the manual 2017 Challenger and average around 20 mpg. I get on it every once in a while but don't constantly dog it. Also, 8 to 4 cylinders sucks! I had that in my truck and reprogrammed it out. It messes up the lifters in trucks, not sure about the challengers
I’m deciding whether I want an Auto or Manual. My current daily is an Auto, and love it, but I also love the manual in the Challengers. My biggest worry is getting annoyed of driving manual daily like I did with my Mustang.
I'd buy an automatic if I'm getting a challenger, but it would be an unforgiving sin to have a camaro ZL1 1LE in automatic(GM has no plan to produce automatic) ......you see, different cars call for different transmission
Thank you Bud for your input for input, it was greatly appreciated. I was already thinking of a challenger I am deffinetely going to get me a challenger now. I have you to thank! Thank You! Kenny
Manual gears rev out longer which is great if you plan to turbo but the automatic shifts so quick to get through all 8 gears that supercharging is more effective,
Cylinder deactivation is a bad thing in GMs. I'd like to know if its a problem with the Hemi. With AFM with GMs, they develop oil burning and valve train issues later on and especially if you do a lot of highway miles.
@@nokoolaid timing chain is also related to mds, sport mode on the trans keeps mds from kicking in, but tazer or an alternative is preferred to disable it entirely
I heard the auto is actually less reliable over time than the manual due to the cylinder deactivation - apparently this can cause the infamous "hemi tick" due to oil starvation of the deactivated cylinders. Don't know whether that's true or not, but in any case...no autos for me, thanks. ;) I love my manual...
😂😭No he said burble made me think of a bmw in the shop more than on the road , it’s the classic sweet succulent sound of a Hemi v8 6.4L engine ❤️I’m in love
Man I just can’t drive an auto in this type of car. I went to go look at a few challenger SRTs and I had to decline test driving because I knew I wasn’t buying an auto. All my buddies bought autos and more power to them but the sound and looks on people’s face when they ask is it a manual and I have the pleasure of saying yes.
As from a German perspective where we have smaller roads and more traffic then the US, I would go for automatic with such a car. Not concentrating to shift gears (which is really necessary for such a car) gives me the option to concentrate to all other sorts of things in the traffic.
You definitely know what your talking about. Automatics rule at the dragstrip time and time again. I only recommend buying a manual if your going to sell it down the road. You can sell a manual easily because they are rare these days. Automatics are keeper cars
*thugs walking through the parking lot* "Let's steal this challenger!" -yeah man nice car, let's steal it! *looks through the window* "you know how to drive a stick?" -fk....
I absolutely agree on the sound. That was the sound I was looking for in a car and that`s why I mainly gave up on the manual. The sound gap between the shifts on a manual is too old school for my liking. A modern performance car makes that thunder noise when it shifts in a split second. Just paid for my 2017 Scat Pack Shaker in same destroyer grey but with red interior :) Can`t wait to have it shipped
I grew up with standards and never thought it was cool, just was how most trucks were. With my Challenger I got automatic cause steering wheel shifters is the coolest thing ever.
@@robbiefrentz9427 I am 70 years old with a bad hip, knee and back, and I will never give up my manual transmission. I prefer a mans car. If you too would like to drive a real car watch my video "Drive a 6 Speed Manual Like a Pro" and you can join real men and drive a real car.
Well you probably would have had more fun with the manual. You can shift sooner and skip gears in a manual. Use to do that back in the late 70's with a 4 speed. Wonder why the manual is rated at better fuel economy?
i would love a 392 scatpack widebody auto or manual but im in Australia have you seen the ridiculous price they want to get it here and converted to RH drive .. close to 200k for the hellcat.. also can you get the double nose scoup on the scatpack?? ... some one send me one :)
Has anyone else noticed that their 8 speed shifts a little "hokey" for lack of a better word? (2019 RT) If I am on it fairly hard taking off it shifts fine, but under normal acceleration think "Granny Mode", it sort of shifts unevenly and a little hard. It is kind of hard to explain, it just isn't a smooth transition, it feels like the transmission is confused and shifts at odd times. Get on the gas, no problem. I don't really know what to tell the Dealer as it is hard to explain and I figure they will just tell me it's normal. (In sport mode it shifts great both at cruising and hard acceleration)
9. 1st gear in the auto feels much more aggressive on this car. 10. Drive modes on the auto are more meaningful. 11. Cruise and adaptive cruise control. 12. Launch control is less hard on the system on the auto. 13. Easier for valet to drive without damaging it. 14. Its easier for your friend to drive when you're tired on a long roadtrip.
The manual can launch much harder and faster than the auto. The manual doesn't have trans drive modes, it just all the power all the time. The manual has cruise and adaptive cruise.
@@This_Guy1 lol, do you actually have the car?! The 1st gear ratio in the auto is MUCH more aggressive. That's also one of the reasons why it wins in the 1/4 mile. You can look up that gear ratio if you dont believe me. Well, some hotels require you to valet. The valet mode at 100hp will discourage them from doing anything stupid or misjudging the gas pedal as it will start in 2nd.
I do agree with you the challenger and charger are a better choice in Auto i do believe its application specific. Charger only comes Auto obviously but for these platforms are definitely better going the Auto route.
Thank you for the comprehensive information Very useful video I am curious however if,in your opinion , there is something that the manual transmission is significantly better than the automatic Thanks
I get 16-25MPG in my 2020 ScatPack Widebody 6speed. MDS/cylinder deactivation is absolutely killing motorrs after the 75k mile mark. The auto trans is much less reliable than the manual. The manual trans version sounds way better to. Yes the clutch might go out at 100k miles as can the torque converter in autos, only difference is the manual trans is more durable. So all in all the manual is more reliable, more fun to drive, sounds better and gets the same gas mileage. The only benefits of the auto is convenience and slightly faster on acceleration.
Plus if someone happens to steal your car most likely they won't know how to drive a manuel.Even at valet parking many people working this sort of job don't know how to drive a manuel and every vehicle with manual has a different feel to it as far as the tightness or sensitivity of the clutch when it starts engaging.. Many new drivers who learned to drive manual make a mistake of giving it too much gas as the slowly release the clutch.This over time will burn your clutch out...But I belive Manuel give the driver more control. Bad breaks in an emergency down shift for example. Kalif🌙
I get bored driving automatic. And driving manual is a skill, and most likely has youngsters engage in their car more rather than being on the cell phone and driving at the same time. Fewer sleepy heads falling asleep on the road since they are more engaged. Just my 2 cents.
agreed. shame they dont have them as much on the lot in dealerships :\
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Amen
Very insightful
As a european that is used to manuals I can assure you that's just not true. In my country (Spain), the vast majority of cars are manual. The most common cause of accident is distractions while driving, ahead of exceeding the speed limits or DUI. Once you're use to drive in manual, it's pretty easy and you don't need to pay too much attention to the road.
I don’t care if the automatic shifts faster. I buy a sports car for how it makes me feel, and nothing compares to the control you have over the car with a manual transmission. If your plan is to drag the car all the time at the track, buy the automatic.
If your a true muscle car enthusiast especially from the past the 60's & 70's. You know the real & true muscle car is manual. Some people prefer the automatic for those reasons of convenience automatics are fine. You have to shift a real muscle car it's apart of the essence of what a muscle car is.
It's not a sports car. It's a muscle car.
Lion Heart Maybe I was referring to the V6 model. Lol
@@oldschoolhiphop2275 so you're saying if it's an automatic it's not a muscle car 🤦🏾♂️
@@Batman-D, back in the '60s and '70s, no true muscle car would sacrifice any of it's horsepower to the automatic transmission's torque converter if it could be helped. ( They weren't very efficient back then. )
A 4-speed manual was a requirement for any car guy/girl with 2 working legs.
So basically, a car with an auto was considered a 'granny-wagon' as a rule.
( See my comment on the '73 Torino with the column-shift auto, elsewhere here. That particular car was most certainly NOT a muscle car. )( It could'a been though, with a few minor changes. )
Once u get used to daily driving a manual clutching and shifting doesn't bother u
I wish that was true but it's not 😒
@@Batman-D really? how long have u been driving manual, im driving for 2 years now and my clutch and shifting is synced so perfectly that it almost happens on in its own without even thinking about it.
@@Sid8303 I stop driving manual about 4 years ago I believe so about 7-8 year
Dimitri Boyd dayum, just drive man, you already have so much exp in stick shift but the mileage option and remote engine on function got me sold here.
@@Sid8303 I'm stuck on automatic now they are a lot faster.
Automatic is like driving a Go Cart! I have a Scat Pack 6 speeds and I am in love with it. I have lots of fun controlling the car and mastering the shifts. Anyway, automatic or manual, Dodge Challenger is the car!!!!
Same! Love my manual
Speaking like someone that hasn’t driven a manual transmission as a daily driver. If I wanted to use paddle shifters I would play a video game. When it comes to driving a sports car, I’m old fashioned get a manual transmission. The only good point I found in your video was faster shifting and remote start on automatics. I daily drive my scat pack and I’m getting better gas mileage than you show on your dash. And lastly if you wanna hear great shifting make sure you know how to drive a manual transmission. Good vid tho
anthonyeromero that doesn’t mean the auto doesn’t get better MPG, just means he doesn’t. These 8Speeds will auto perform a manual in any fuel efficiency test
100% agree on what planet does a Automatic sound better than a Manual? Nothing tops a manual exhaust and if you do a mid muffler delete it sounds like heaven.
PiscesTV 🐬🐠 have you heard an Auto scat shift? Sounds far better then a manual. Same with a lot of fast shifting autos/DCTs.
Yeah his reasons for liking an automatic were womanly.
Bro...they have a manual mode
I have a 392 Shaker/manual. I agree on most of what you are saying except the sound. There is no sound like the manual. Not even close. The auto does offer more features and better in heavy traffic driving. But if you are good with the clutch, there is nothing like driving a manual. I drove both before I made my purchase. I like them both, but the manual is what I really like.
Yep, sounds incredible, especially the down shifts when the 6.4 is at lower rpms snaps crackles and pops like a race car.
@@mattcarafa210 So true
@@mattcarafa210 I use the paddle shifters in my A8 specifically for the exhaust pops when down-shifting. Its awesome.
@@mikereeves282 Same on my '17 Camaro SS with dual-mode exhaust. I get pops and burbles on downshifts or just a throttle drop. I also get a loud brap when the auto upshifts. I generally use the paddle for downshifts and let the auto do the upshifts - can do it all without touching the shifter, since the paddles are always active.
young people can't work a clutch very well. Put an old man in a manual, and he will show you what they can do...
It's all a matter of opinion. Some people just want a manual. Others just are not satisfied unless they have an automatic. I have an automatic because I conduct lots and lots of road travel so I prefer the automatic. But that's me. I just hope people buy what they want and enjoy it. Life is too short
manual is better, auto is for lazy mfs. most of em cant even drive. besides with a manual YOU control the car. not so much with an automatic. how the hell are you going to be a fanatic or an enthusiast but liking the casual part of it? come now.
I have to say do you really buy a car like this for fuel mileage ? yes I own a 6 speed & a daily driver & enjoy the hell out of it ! auto is faster sure but I like to really connect with the car as far as clutches learn to drive them every part wears either the auto or manual I'm old school yes 2016 scat pack modified runs just fine !
If you want the clutch to last longer take out the delay valve in the clutch pedal line.
JOE G. if automatics are faster than you in your 6 speed than you're doing it wrong 😂 i'm 17 i beat my friends ford fusion turbo automatic in my honda civic manual (1996 d16y7) stock, and we're starting net o get rich wannabe ricers around hear driving audis and corvettes and i beat them in take offs obviously but i'm beating 600hp cars on take offs in my 100hp civic
@@bailey9r Already did the clutch valve delete along with the skip shift eliminator Barton shifter added the sprint booster it's rockin.
@@snakebyte7271 So what does all that do for the clutch? Faster? Feels better? I daily drive a stock 04 civic 5spd and would love to get a manual hellcat. I get sick of driving manual sometimes, but probable because my car isn't fun for me anymore, not exactly the transmission tbh.
I agree, I ended up choosing the automatic on my RT scat pack challenger. It also has the paddles and I'm loving ❤️ it.
The same amount of cars will pass me by on the street in a 2019 6MT Challenger as they do in my 2019 8A Daytona Charger, but the manual is way more fun to drive.
i'd even rather have a manual v6 than an automatic v8.
This is the exact point people miss. There's a degree of satisfaction in rowing your own gears, holding gears, etc. Been daily driving for a while now and my next car will also be a manual. I'll leave autos for things like family cars and trucks.
Yall hilarious, I've been street racing a very long time. If you know how to drive a manual then it's not a problem. I dont lift when I shift! I bust automatics ass all the time. If you can leave properly then you won't have an issue.
@Isaac Sanchez I dont play in traffic, we have spots way out in the country. No other traffic but us. I also have an 8th mile track not far from me. But to each his own.
Run a 5.0 with a 10R80 and get back to me, you ain't running shit.
A good driver beats a good car any day.
That 1320 Scat will crush that mustang 10 spd kidd
@@bobquattrini1787 maybe stock, but not on the street. A FBO 10spd will run over a hellkitty. And nobody on the street is stock. So a 1320 doesn't stand a chance. They don't make enough parts.
been shiftn gears for 40 years call me lazy but it is time to go full auto with my 2022 scat pack 1320.
No hate her handsome. I just bought a Challenger RT and waiting or delivery. This is a great car and will be my third one. This time a got a bright red with gray interior. In my opinion, the Challenger is a more comfortable car than the cramped Mustang and Camero.
That's not an opinion. That's a fact. Enjoy your Challenger. I got an rt back in April.
Engines with MDS (4 cyl deactivation mode) need a rebuild on average 2-3x sooner than one without. Buying a manual will save you that hassle later on in the cars life. Also, the reason you couldn't get the Dodge Demon with a manual had nothing to do with track times, it was because the TransBrake dodge made was only compatible with their automatic transmissions. Same for the scat pack 1320
I believe you can use sport mode and the automatic will never turn off any of the cylinders, but don't quote me on that.
I drive 5.7 T/A plus 6spd.
What you said is all correct and so true.
I always start slow on green light, no auto start even in cold/humid NY weather, no cylinder deactivation so mileage sucks and gear shift is slow with my hand....but I'd still choose manual over auto.
The one feeling I get from manual melts away all negativities I mentioned above. It's just simply irreplaceable.
Great video for future Challenger buyers though!
EXACTLY... I just got an ls3 6sp Camaro and I love it
I also have a black 2018 challenger RT 5.7L Manual trans with only one optional equipment and that’s Super trak-pak. I figured I’m getting he smaller slower engine let it be alittle more fun with a manual . And I was correct I wouldn’t get the 5.7L in auto. But the gas mileage suck, specially after I lowered it with 315 back 275 front aftermarket wheels. I’m getting, I checked today and dash shows average 7.5 miles per gallon. But then again I always have my sport mode on with traction control off. I mean always rain or shine . Soon as I get in the car I hit the ignition then sport mode then traction off . I guess I feel like I’m paying for muscle car let it always feels like one. But I do turn it off when I go through neighborhoods because with my Mid muffs deleted it can be loud .
@@arthurchalle4124 actually if you want to kick up the throttle response go and buy a Pedal Commander. I have a 17 Challenger T/A 5.7L 6spd. I also have the Z automotive Tazer and I bought the 3 buttons for the pod on the right side of the steering wheel where there is a three-button wide cover panel. I have the Tazer set to start the car in sport mode always so all I have to do is hold the traction control button for 6 seconds and if the oil pressure is low enough away I go. The Pedal Commander has taken my average MPGs from 15.7 to 18.9 since the beginning of 2019. As far as the fuel economy my average fuel economy has not been reset since approximately 11:30 a.m. August 22, 2017. So benefits are when you want the extra punch in the throttle the commander gives it to you when you want higher fuel economy you don't have to push on the accelerator like you do in Factory sport mode. The benefit of the taser is you don't have to spend any extra time when the car is already warm putting into sport mode because it already starts that way. Between the two of them it was an extra $570 but those, mainly the Pedal Commander are already starting to pay for themselves. Now the three buttons I bought for the dummy pod on the right side, well it's not a dummy pod it's just covered, I am able to use those for other functions controlled by the Tazer and due to the taser being installed you can also remap your sport button to be used for something else. Mine from left to right are set up to be line lock, physical sport mode button because the car comes out of sport mode when you let off line lock, and the last one is for the engine cool down mode that the Tazer offers.
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@@TA_Plus_Hemi Your set up sounds really cool.
1. MDS saves you about 1 mpg
2. MDS causes lifter failures, sometimes around 30k
3. Clutches are a less expensive repair than a lifter and camshaft
4. Yes, the auto is faster.
5. Yes, auto start is a nice feature
6. Everything else in your video is subjective.
MDS was my #2 reason to get the manual, of course being a manual was #1 reason.
MDS doesnt cause lifter failures as plenty of cars without also experience that failure. Pls don't spread wrong info.
Automatics are faster, and on the Scat, its over a second faster ET. Manuals are fun for the old school banging gears though, my first Chally had the Tremec. I prefer the ZF 8 speed I have now.
Manuals sound a million times better especially when you get the backfire and popping noise. And if you do a mid muffler delete the sound is amazing 😍
You are right they do sound good but Trash for daily driving honestly. Still a wonder beast but manuals r dated now. I would only buy JDM manual even then 2012 and under for that... Lol manuals are still fun very good for personal car engagement all preference
Auto is strong m but manual is way more fun , u said it , def more fun , u r way more attached to car
No it ain't maybe in the beginning but if you live in ct with all the traffic that novelty wears off quick.
the paddle shifters for the A8 are good enough to get the "shifting-bug" out of your system. But then you can turn them off when you don't want to shift
@@richardcerritelli9657 I bought ONE new car with a manual. After a year I was stretching yellow lights because I didn't want to go through the gears again! 1990 Eclipse GSX (AWD turbo) had a really bad synchro on 2nd gear. 1st to 2nd very fast or very slow OK, in between = crunch.
@@mikereeves282 Can't disagree more. But then it is an individual thing. I am an old fart (60) and nothing makes me smile like going through the gears. I had a corvette with paddles and hated them. Now I was raised on straight drives and it is really effortless for me. Now if I was going on a long trip, an auto would be great. With that said, the challenger is my toy, but an auto will never be as fun as a manual for me.
I think you should get what you like best. I’ve had both. But I prefer the automatic now. As long as you enjoy your car, that’s all that matters. Both are super fun!!!!!!!!!!
Which one lasts longer and is less expensive to repair?😉
Which one is 100% covered under warranty?
Ok, so that's one pro. Versus his eight.
Plus he mentioned that very fact so I don't know why you even brought it up. I'm a fan of manuals too, but if someone buys this car just to daily, I'd say the auto is just a little better, in terms of fuel economy and things like that.
That's based on driver input....what you said means nothing.
I would say manuals last longer in most all vehicles if they're built decently.
Now, I love my stick, I’ve used a stick for daily for the last year and I honestly want the auto challenger, but that’s because I’m looking for a nice daily that I can use all year round, and for me that means snow as well, and the auto in the snow is so much nicer then the manual, I don’t think I could use the car in the snow with a manual, also the throw and feel between 4th and 5th on the new challengers is really odd and can be easily messed up, and for a car I want to use daily I want it to be reliable, having to replace a clutch is expensive and when it’s going out is gonna suck to drive. I love the manuals but i would only want the manual if i rarely drove the car. Lastly tho, I would want the auto because I still have the option to making it a manual-ish shift and you’ll have 8 gears to climb apposed to 6 and it just a lot of fun. All in all I love this car because stick or auto,v8 or v6 the car is nice and really give a feel to the driver that’s uncanny to any other car made today that don’t cost 60k or more, well done dodge
I always wanted a challenger.. The only reason It took me a while to get one, but I cuz when I found out most of them were automatic and I wanted a Manual.. Yes you are totally right.. Yes my wife has a auto start so she don't freeze her self.. She is a lady.. Yes automatic is gas efficient.. But then again if anyome wants a real sports car then you need a manual. Well unless they can't drive it.. Of course.. It took me a while to find a manual and it's amazing I have the 5.7 hemi rt and I love it.. I wouldn't change it for nothing.. When new friends find out it's a manual. They dont belive me.. They have to see my car and some people even ask me if I special order from the dealer. And it feels amazing.. I don't want to run on 4 cylinders is not a cavalier I want to run on 8 cylinders the whole time. I don't mind the gas.. It comes with territory. The sound I changed the borla muffler and it sounds amazing..
Ubal_Blunt technically it is a sports car even the v6s are considered sports cars.
My situation right now. Probably gonna go with the 6.1 too. Everyone always tells me about gas but ain't no one paying for it but me haha
You only did the borla
I own four vehicles, two Harley's, one Toyota Tacoma, and a Camaro SS. They all have a clutch. However I do agree with you. The automatics in cars today are far superior to any manual on the road.
If I get a hellcat probably an auto just to help put the power down but tremec 6 speed is unbeatable for NA muscle cars
I'm 72 and in my day, we all knew how to drive a stick. I had a stick in my 2016 Challenger Hellcat and what I learned is that a manual transmission is a great anti-theft device as most young people can't drive a manual. Having stating that a manual can be fun to drive, I found my Challenger Hellcat became tiresome to drive in an urban area. It became a pain is the butt in any kind of traffic, going from first gear to second gear and back to first. It was only fun when you got out on the highway with light traffic and you could open it up.
This is my opinion but im not old enough to drive but when im old enough i would need a automatic Dodgr Challenger 392 cuz what if i try to put in in drive and its reverse and i hit a car that's embarrassing
in new manuals they lock you out of reverse unless you pull up on the stick. my advice every time will be test drive both and see what you like better. learning with a manual in a big city is extremely difficult btw especially if its hilly. to be real with you don't get a 392 before your finished with school you're gonna end up working to barely make payments, insurance is gonna run your shit and your not gonna be able to drive it how you want because gas and brakes aren't cheap on a 4100 lbs v8. finish school, get a fulltime job and get your credit up then buy one. I saw two of my friends get a 5.7 when they were 16 and they didn't even have time to enjoy the car because they were working so much to afford it and that's a 5.7. also just to be honest your gonna have to be careful with a 392 because if you at fault crash you're fucked your insurance is gonna x4 and your gonna lose a shit ton of resale. after that affording a 2002 civic is gonna be hard. im not tryna crush your dreams but sometimes dreams gotta wait a bit longer or theyll ruin you tryna keep up with them.
I love a 2019 RT a Dodge Challenger scatpack 392 automatic automatic.
Totally agree with you brother. Excellent video 👍
Wow! I just watched the whole video thinking that maybe you would convince me... didn't work.
I've owned 2 Mustang GTs, 2 Challenger RT's and a 2018 Challenger Scat Pack... All manual. Been driving manual for the last 20 plus years. I finally decided to give the automatic transmission a chance, in my new 2021 Scat Pack WB. I am hating life every time I drive the damn car. I love how it looks, but the driving experience sucks!... Cant wait to trade it in for a new M6. OBTW, I've never met anybody who bought a Challenger to "save a little bit of gas".
Its just my opinion. Thank you for the content of your video 👍
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Even with the autostick manual mode?
I really want the manual but it’s been five years since I’ve driven one so I’ll have to get used to holding the car on a hill at intersections again.
My 2020 scat has "hill start assest". By far the most awesome piece of technology if found in this car. When your foot is on the clutch and the car starts rolling backwards if you put your foot on the brakes then let off it will hold the brakes for 5 seconds or untill you hit the gas.
that 'burble' that you're referring to when the car is shifting is nicknamed a 'HEMI Fart'
8:41 Soooo boring driving autos. Standard or nothing on performance cars.
Thats why I use the stairs rather than an elevator. If there's no stairs for me to use then I just simply walk right out of the building. What's the point of having legs if you're not going to use them.
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Brandon 2SS I cant with this comment 🤣🤣
It's fun to listen about troubles with driving manual as wrong clutch usage or trying to shift on 2nd gear with 80. I am from Europe and always used manuals, the same as 99% of people here. Now i bought a Challenger R/T with automatic gearbox. It is just much more comfortable. And that's it. In every other way manual is much better. But I don't care, I will use it as a daily driving car, so it must be comfortable.
I drive a 2018 Daytona 392 and the paddle shiftier's are fast and have super quick response, people romanticize the manual but technology has changed everything, but hey each to his own so enjoy what makes you happy! Stay safe and FAST.
You think maybe age has something to do with it? I don't care how fast or smooth a paddle shifter is, it will never touch the fun of a manual. But I drove farm trucks (manual) when I was 13, and first 2 cars were manual. Even now as an old fart, a manual is just more fun.
@@bogieman101 paddle shifters are just as much fun if not more fun than a manual transmission in my opinion 🤷🏾♂️
bogieman101 age might have something to do with it but not always I’m 22 and only drove a manual once 7 yrs ago and I’m getting a manual hellcat because there’s just something about a challenger with all that power and being able to switch between gears just seems fun. Plus it’s a good investment in a couple yrs all hellcats are going to be only Automatic and manuals should at least hold their value if not increase
Here’s my take on all this.. traction is everything I don’t care if you have a six speed or an automatic if I hook up in my six speed and you have no traction in your automatic I’m going to beat ya . So when people say the automatics faster yeah in a perfect world if both cars hook and maybe by a couple of tenths of a sec. as far as the fuel economy goes a friend of mine has an automatic 392 and drives like a bat out of hell and I can tell you I get better gas mileage with my stick it all depends on how you drive the car period. As far as a fun factor goes the six speed outweighs the automatic big time I will agree if it’s your daily driver an automatic is better. My 392 is not my daily driver. Also a automatic is more likely to be stolen then a six speed you’d be surprised how many thieves can’t drive a stick.
Hemi Joe392 doesn’t matter to me I’m proud to have a cop car Charger Dodge as long as it’s fast enough for me
Ok, so manual is not that hard to drive (it's hard to drive it well). Took me 20 min to learn. The thief might be learning on your car how to drive stick for the first time 🤣
I just got a 2016 RT Challenger with 6-speed manual no regrets! I'm old school there's nothing like the feeling of driving a stick I don't care if the automatic is quicker
It just feel better to beat others with skill with racing manual then just let a automatic transmission do the work for us and automatic only shows who just has the fastest car by winning but manual shows who has the fastest car and who is the better driver with higher skills by winning
If you race, get an automatic. If you just want to have fun, get a manual.
My only regret with my C5 vette was getting the automatic but it was my daily commuter. It wasn’t engaging to drive. With that said I did just buy a challenger GT automatic over a hemi 6 speed because the paddle shift is somewhat of a compromise.
What tires are you running? I like the tread pattern. (I went with the tarmac, I like the control- maybe not as fast but not by much with my Barton industries short throw shifter crisp precise shifts, and I got 1 of 216 made with the options & color) and my down shifts have a snap crackle and pop that the automatics just don't have as well as taking off sounds incredible. To each thier own, I wouldn't have gone with the auto even if I could do it again,6 speed all the way. And I daily my car in Boston traffic and wouldn't have it any other way(till winter)
I love the Dodge Challenger and I always love the unique accelaration power of the automatic transmission! Great video!
Forgot the haters. Almost all the reasons you list are exactly why I want the auto. People who only want the manual already know what they want and there's no convincing them. If I ever get another stick, I'll save it for a classic car
I had 2 cars with sticks for years, I got rid of both and got an auto, and I just don't want to go back. Sure, when you drive a stick it becomes 2nd nature, you don't even think about it, but when you go back to auto, some of us just enjoy the relaxation of it. I still go for the clutch & stick all the time in automatics, it's still 2nd nature, but it's much more relaxing without it
And driving a stick in San Francisco can be fun, for about 5 minutes, then you wish it was an automatic...
Plus, I can let people drive an auto without worrying about how well they can drive a stick (*some* people in *some* situations of course...)
Is there a sport mode in the automatic? Other than the regular "drive" and "manual" mode can the automatic go into sport mode by pulling straight back on the gear select again while in drive
Honestly thank you for telling me that because I don't have any experience with a manual shift
I bought the V-6 3.6 brand new yesterday. This car will fly with auto and manual
How you liking it? In thinking of getting one
V-6 fly?
I saw someone else say this, the manual is an anti-theft device nowadays. I have driven mainly automatics most of my life, and I just recently got a manual six speed challenger 392 scat pack and I love it shifting is like speaking to your car, faster faster go go go😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Had manual transmissions in two Challengers, one a Hellcat and both needed the skip shift eliminator to stop the computerized programming of making you go from 2nd to 4th gear as a gas saver.
Muscle cars with auto trans are called the Gen Y/Z package. I have a Tahoe LTZ with all that fluff for a daily. Jamming gears is for fun and feel.
Says auto is more economical. Dash says 15 mpg. I'm still waiting for someone to prove that any auto can hold up in real world mpg during a typical daily cycle, not just in a lab test.
The 15.2 is because of only city driving. Back when I used this as a daily driver I was getting around 19 or 20 if not more. The higher gear ratios allow for better fuel efficiency. This is primarily witnessed at higher speeds when you are in 6 or 7 gear. A manual doesn't have 8 gears so naturally you went get the same efficiency.
This is why you are seeing transmission with more and more gears like Chevy and Fords 10 speed
392 6speed manual, cruising steady in 6th @55mph I'm getting 30mpg with no MDS
In sixth this thring is just over an idle on the highway at 72mph around 1500 rpms, I feel like kilng of the road passing at will is no problem, so much torques from a low rpm absolute blast to drive on long road trips. (Other than getting gas- gets good milage as long as you keep your foot out of the accelerator- not as easy as it sounds)
Then you need to more research. It would take two seconds to find that autos get better mpg in the real world
Same reasons apply to 6th gen Camaro SS. I can add a 9th: torque converters are covered under warranty, clutches are not...
Also glad you pointed out that paddles work with or without manual mode. I drive with my left hand ready at the paddle for a quick downshift when needed. Also, does the challenger shift down to the lowest gear it can tolerate, when you hold the left paddle (or hold shifter in "-") for over 1 sec?
I also envy Mopar owners because your shifter goes foreward to downshift, and back to upshift, in BMW style. Even though I've never owned a BMW, I feel that's the way it should be. Seems more natural to pull back when it throws you back in your seat... Maybe there's a conversion kit?
I have a 2019 R/T and love the sport/manual mode. Can you confirm your comment about the floor shifter not upshifting at redline while in manual mode ? I was under the impression that the transmission would upshift automatically at redline weather using the floor shift or the paddles.
To my understanding if you put the shifter in manual mode it will not shift up for you if you are at redline. If you use the paddle shifters (not in manual mode) then it will shift if necessary. I'm pretty certain on that but I've never tested it personally because I don't want to put stress on the engine.
It will not shift
If using the console shifter put to M it will bounce off the rev limiter. If only the paddle shifter it will upshift automatically at redline.
And that a 2019 Dodge Challenger RT Scat Pack 392 I get automatic to I can drive I'm still going to be free I cannot drive no man you I have to have a automatic Dodge Challenger RT Scat Pack 392 automatic.
thata because you don't know how to drive a manual, at least effectively.
Don't want remote start. Don't want heated seats.
For me and where I live I cannot think of a single reason why I'd rather daily drive an automatic. I'd also get the manual so my wife can't drive it.
Amen lol. I wouldn’t want my gal touching my baby!
I noticed in a lot of muscle cars surprisingly the auto is the most popular choice.
There is another issue, the $1000 gas guzzler tax on the manual. The Automatic option is $1595. When you select the automatic then the guzzler tax is removed. So the auto really is a $595 upgrade. This applies to the SCAT PACK. But when comparing for a R/T car the trans is a $1595 cost as the guzzler tax does not apply to the 5.7L motor.
So really depends on which car R/T or R/T Scat Pack.
Hellcats auto is more money, and you also have the gas guzzler tax as well.
Thank you so much for sharing very much appreciated indeed.
No matter what kind of shifters what’s do really matters is to Drive a Dodge Challenger by enjoying each single moment on this icon 70’s car nowadays with all tech which increases the pleasure of driven far better…. Efficiency..Safety..and Beauty..set the experience and a pure Joy to have one…
Drive in Beauty and Gratitude…
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that a sunroof on your Challenger? I saw Fast & Furious and I saw no sunroof on them. Thank you!
The zf8 automatic suits this type of car perfectly
Nice video man. Great information on the transmission. I got rhe auto on my 22 scat pack. Quick question did yous come with that nice dodge line on the truck? Because mine did too or do people just put them there because I got mine used with only 1100 miles on it.
Yep it did! It's actually included in one of the packages. I think it's like the scat pack appearance group or something.
@SchwayZ_ ok interesting. Mine don't have that package on the sticker but I got the line only on the back. Actually like the black ghost has same thing.
@@paulrakis that's way cool!
I wouldn't want to drive if I had to drive a manual every day.
this isnt a car, it's an experience, the manual makes you feel more connected to the vehicle and more engaged with it.
Just pretend you’re Dom Toretto every time you got behind the wheel and you’d be fine 😂
Haha! 15.2 mpg (4:45) with an automatic. I have the manual 2017 Challenger and average around 20 mpg. I get on it every once in a while but don't constantly dog it. Also, 8 to 4 cylinders sucks! I had that in my truck and reprogrammed it out. It messes up the lifters in trucks, not sure about the challengers
I’m deciding whether I want an Auto or Manual. My current daily is an Auto, and love it, but I also love the manual in the Challengers. My biggest worry is getting annoyed of driving manual daily like I did with my Mustang.
I'd buy an automatic if I'm getting a challenger, but it would be an unforgiving sin to have a camaro ZL1 1LE in automatic(GM has no plan to produce automatic) ......you see, different cars call for different transmission
Dan Ordel GM does make a ZL1 1LE in auto
Thank you Bud for your input for input, it was greatly appreciated. I was already thinking of a challenger I am deffinetely going to get me a challenger now. I have you to thank! Thank You!
Kenny
Manual gears rev out longer which is great if you plan to turbo but the automatic shifts so quick to get through all 8 gears that supercharging is more effective,
All good points. But the clutch is still better because it makes your soul connect to the driving experience.
Cylinder deactivation is a bad thing in GMs. I'd like to know if its a problem with the Hemi. With AFM with GMs, they develop oil burning and valve train issues later on and especially if you do a lot of highway miles.
The hemis are known to have lifter and cam issues due to mds, as well as timing chain failures. Sometimes as early as 30k miles
@@theripcord03 That would suck. I suppose one could disable MDS like AFM in GMs, but the timing chain issues...
@@nokoolaid timing chain is also related to mds, sport mode on the trans keeps mds from kicking in, but tazer or an alternative is preferred to disable it entirely
I like to use my paddle shifters to slow down, when I have to slow down, cause I hate using my brake
Driving a car with a big V8 is more fun with a manual. Another thing is when it breaks what is less expensive to fix a clutch or an automatic?
No way.manuals are so much more fun; real driving..
I heard the auto is actually less reliable over time than the manual due to the cylinder deactivation - apparently this can cause the infamous "hemi tick" due to oil starvation of the deactivated cylinders. Don't know whether that's true or not, but in any case...no autos for me, thanks. ;) I love my manual...
Can to turn the cylinder deactivation off?
No unfortunately you can't. There might be a Taser you can use but not from a factory setting
😂😭No he said burble made me think of a bmw in the shop more than on the road , it’s the classic sweet succulent sound of a Hemi v8 6.4L engine ❤️I’m in love
Man I just can’t drive an auto in this type of car. I went to go look at a few challenger SRTs and I had to decline test driving because I knew I wasn’t buying an auto. All my buddies bought autos and more power to them but the sound and looks on people’s face when they ask is it a manual and I have the pleasure of saying yes.
As from a German perspective where we have smaller roads and more traffic then the US, I would go for automatic with such a car. Not concentrating to shift gears (which is really necessary for such a car) gives me the option to concentrate to all other sorts of things in the traffic.
You definitely know what your talking about. Automatics rule at the dragstrip time and time again. I only recommend buying a manual if your going to sell it down the road. You can sell a manual easily because they are rare these days. Automatics are keeper cars
I liked your video, but I am happy with my 6 speed hellcat, remote start or cylinder shut off baloney
To each their own. Thank you for watching!
*thugs walking through the parking lot*
"Let's steal this challenger!"
-yeah man nice car, let's steal it!
*looks through the window*
"you know how to drive a stick?"
-fk....
Yeah, I do. Let's try it. Crashes your car and runs off.
Should've been 9 reasons so you have more opportunities to have fun with your lady!!!
This ☝🏽
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More fun to me sorry , 2011 Manual R/T
I absolutely agree on the sound. That was the sound I was looking for in a car and that`s why I mainly gave up on the manual. The sound gap between the shifts on a manual is too old school for my liking. A modern performance car makes that thunder noise when it shifts in a split second. Just paid for my 2017 Scat Pack Shaker in same destroyer grey but with red interior :) Can`t wait to have it shipped
I have black exterior and red interior. It looks awesome.
The sound from the exhaust when the transmission shifts is known as the “hemi fart”.
I grew up with standards and never thought it was cool, just was how most trucks were.
With my Challenger I got automatic cause steering wheel shifters is the coolest thing ever.
Is there any expensive PM for the automatics?
Automatics are boring asf🤦🏽♂️
I definitely agree. Unfortunately with my bad back hip and left knee.. it an automatic for me😭😭😭😭 FML.... it’s all good
@@robbiefrentz9427 I am 70 years old with a bad hip, knee and back, and I will never give up my manual transmission. I prefer a mans car. If you too would like to drive a real car watch my video "Drive a 6 Speed Manual Like a Pro" and you can join real men and drive a real car.
The fuel efficiency argument is totally bogus!
It's not. Look it up on Dodge's website. The MDS engine only comes paired with the automatic transmission.
Well you probably would have had more fun with the manual. You can shift sooner and skip gears in a manual. Use to do that back in the late 70's with a 4 speed. Wonder why the manual is rated at better fuel economy?
i would love a 392 scatpack widebody auto or manual but im in Australia have you seen the ridiculous price they want to get it here and converted to RH drive .. close to 200k for the hellcat.. also can you get the double nose scoup on the scatpack?? ... some one send me one :)
Sorry for the late reply lol but darn that’s a lot of money... does that make the scatpack over 100k?
Has anyone else noticed that their 8 speed shifts a little "hokey" for lack of a better word? (2019 RT) If I am on it fairly hard taking off it shifts fine, but under normal acceleration think "Granny Mode", it sort of shifts unevenly and a little hard. It is kind of hard to explain, it just isn't a smooth transition, it feels like the transmission is confused and shifts at odd times. Get on the gas, no problem. I don't really know what to tell the Dealer as it is hard to explain and I figure they will just tell me it's normal. (In sport mode it shifts great both at cruising and hard acceleration)
2016 Challenger Scat Pack manual - Yes ,you gotta activate sport mode so its lauder and more of popcorn -normal mode is quitter
I just bought a used 2016 scat pack shaker. Test drive the 6 speed and auto. I ultimately bought one with the auto so my wife could drive it.
So she can scrape up your rims
9. 1st gear in the auto feels much more aggressive on this car.
10. Drive modes on the auto are more meaningful.
11. Cruise and adaptive cruise control.
12. Launch control is less hard on the system on the auto.
13. Easier for valet to drive without damaging it.
14. Its easier for your friend to drive when you're tired on a long roadtrip.
The manual can launch much harder and faster than the auto.
The manual doesn't have trans drive modes, it just all the power all the time.
The manual has cruise and adaptive cruise.
As far a valet....no real car guy lets a stranger dive his pride and joy
@@This_Guy1 lol, do you actually have the car?! The 1st gear ratio in the auto is MUCH more aggressive. That's also one of the reasons why it wins in the 1/4 mile. You can look up that gear ratio if you dont believe me.
Well, some hotels require you to valet. The valet mode at 100hp will discourage them from doing anything stupid or misjudging the gas pedal as it will start in 2nd.
I do agree with you the challenger and charger are a better choice in Auto i do believe its application specific. Charger only comes Auto obviously but for these platforms are definitely better going the Auto route.
I think a manual would be fun on a weekend sports car but if it’s your daily go with an automatic.
I have fun with the automatic.
Thank you for the comprehensive information
Very useful video
I am curious however if,in your opinion , there is something that the manual transmission is significantly better than the automatic
Thanks
Depending on if you enjoy driving manuals and the engagement that you have with the car then thats what would make a manual better
I get 16-25MPG in my 2020 ScatPack Widebody 6speed. MDS/cylinder deactivation is absolutely killing motorrs after the 75k mile mark. The auto trans is much less reliable than the manual. The manual trans version sounds way better to. Yes the clutch might go out at 100k miles as can the torque converter in autos, only difference is the manual trans is more durable. So all in all the manual is more reliable, more fun to drive, sounds better and gets the same gas mileage. The only benefits of the auto is convenience and slightly faster on acceleration.
Manual transmission is cheaper for a reason
Manual trans is 1k more than the auto
Plus if someone happens to steal your car most likely they won't know how to drive a manuel.Even at valet parking many people working this sort of job don't know how to drive a manuel and every vehicle with manual has a different feel to it as far as the tightness or sensitivity of the clutch when it starts engaging.. Many new drivers who learned to drive manual make a mistake of giving it too much gas as the slowly release the clutch.This over time will burn your clutch out...But I belive Manuel give the driver more control. Bad breaks in an emergency down shift for example. Kalif🌙
I don't think I trust that cylinder deactivation stuff it's still relatively new. The early adoptors show uneven wear and just lots of issues.