She said that calling for genocide was only wrong in certain contexts. Regardless of whether she was targeted, that was a stupid thing to say and shows a lack of comprehension that is staggering.
@jeremyalexander2174 Yeah, like the freedom to intentionally misgender someone at Harvard. Not like Harvard isn't the lowest ranked college for free speech.. finally they remembered their free speech absolutistism for killing jews..
It was stupid to think she could get away with being deliberately bigoted. She thought so because she is used to getting away with being bigoted against Whites. She thought Jews are just Whites she can offend without recourse. Imagine being this clueless about how things work. Clearly a quota hire, no merit whatsoever.
@@johnroscoe2406 Clearly Biden believes the presidency is the right place to advocate for genocide because he’s allowing Benjamin Netanyahu and his cronies to get away with it.
Academic plagiarism is acceptable for the president of Harvard if the charges are raised by a conservative or wealthy donors. Unacceptable for; students, potential new faculty, or guest speakers.
What was meant by that was the reasons Rufo gave for railroading her out. He methodically laid out his strategy for all the public to view. His strategy had nothing to do with her qualifications. It was strictly political. But as usual, a certain amount of Americans are easily manipulated and cannot see the forest for the trees
Here we have a woman with a 20 year career in high academia. A supposed PHD who in the span of her entire career has Z-E-R-0 book publications dealing with her specialty, and has submitted just 11 papers for publication in technical journals - all of which have been found to contain plagiarised content. She was the Dean of one of the most prestigious universities in the country, which long before she got there published an Student Code of Honor which establishes penalties for plagiarism and/or lack of citation which range from written censure to permanent expulsion. Enough said.
She's not really a PhD? Huh! She's has 11 published papers and pretended it was her own work? Huh! Did she receive a written censure or was she expelled? If she was expelled in a way then why is GOP unhappy with the outcome and also why hasn't the GOP demanded that the policy be changed? Also which policy allowed the bullying in the first place? Did a Jewish student file a harassment complaint?
Oh yes MSNBC, it wasn't what she said or did.... it was her race and gender that matter. Though you would think a college would care about people's minds, not only about how people look.
One of the main jobs of a university president is to raise donations for capital projects and the like. When you lose the confidence of your donors, you’re done.
I know actual definitions never sway people, but the definition of plagiarism is the representation of another person's language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions as one's own original work. She did not plagiarize. Incorrectly citing is not the same as representing the work as your own. Her the specifics matter.
@@perryroberts4353 It was in the literature review section of her papers. It's essential to clarify that the literature review in a research article serves the purpose of discussing prior research and findings. It's also the section where errors may be seen as less severe and can be rectified. Plagiarism in the discussion section or the use of someone else's conclusions would indeed constitute a more serious offense. This is not what Claudine did. Is that clear to you?
Well - it doesn't depend on the context at all. Answers like she gave in Congress alone should have resulted in her immediate dismissal. Regardless of whether a campaign has occurred or not.
Her downfall was her responses. The white woman resigned her position first. It didn't have anything to do with race but did with the absurd and ridiculous response to questions. This enraged many.
@@ttaylor758America was never built on merit. The haves and the have nots. The haves told the have nots they got the off merit, while they got referred y their rich uncle and cousins for jobs and given money for startups, they tell you low income people to work hard and you’ll get to where they are only to cause inflation and stagnant wages so they remain rich and you stay working poor
Universities are a common good but these Ivy League schools have become businesses. One cannot expect academic freedom to remain where for whatever reasons it disturbs that business model.
If they were all about business, they'd charge significantly more than they do, and they wouldn't give students whose parents make less than $100K a free education. They wouldn't give free gender-affirming care to trans students. The schools that routinely raised their tuition when more student aid was made available by the Federal Government would be more likely candidates for your accusation. Third party payment tends to make goods and services more expensive.
@@briancrawford8751 you have included much extraneous material that was never part of my point. Universities run as businesses no longer have academic freedom as funding can be contingent on not making donors unhappy. I have seen the most common example of this as "ideology masquerading as science" or where research is terminated because it is at odds with the donor's business or political interests.
Aside from the larger extinuating circumstances, i went to grad school in a quantitative field. I've heard people try and qualify fhe academic misconduct as less severe because she "only" failed to cite and that the argument and data were hers. But in quant fields, especially on a dissertation, you have to cite everything. Everything has to be in place. And the methodology is one of the most important parts to get right. I went to a public research university and i would not have been able to slip text into an assignment a) because they have scanners now that check for plagiarism and b) because I'd have to have an academic misconduct trial and risk getting kicked out
Yes! We use Turnitin to check our papers and it’s highly effective. There is no excuse for not properly referencing works used. I’m guessing her papers were before these tools were available but Universities spend many modules teaching ethics and research methodology. She really would have known the severity of plagiarism
Did they have scanners in 1997? How many people who referenced manually would pass the test if scrutinized with AI. It was almost certain to raise some questions by just picking Ackman’s wife’s thesis and scrutinizing it. This is an MIT thesis done over 10 years after Gays. I won’t be surprised some would come up with things from the new presidents stuff if it is run through AI. So the standards today with tech can’t be compared to those almost 30 years ago.
Not having cited some things correctly is NOT the reason she was let go. That’s just the smoke screen the monsters that are doing this do to try to legitimize and deflect from what they are actually doing which is to silence people, demean people and perpetuate whichever -ism they are targeting at the time.
@@notnabsar So what's your point, it's becoming easier to catch a theif? This may surprise you, but many people never plagiarized because they had too much integrity.
Not that I disagree with all the importance of correctly citing your sources. I have a degree in history and political science. So I get that said importance. However I argue that it happened in most older works, from when you couldn't just scan. It is something that was almost unavoidable with the amount of pages you wrote and which would have to be checked. I would have to say, if you want to have everyone resign who has citation problems, you probably won't have many older professors left. But what I have more problems with, is, that some people are singled out here. If this initiative was genuine, they wouldn't go after people with some matching characteristics, irrelevant to the issue, but after all older thesis. And we have that Ruffo guy admitting it is political. And with that I have my qualms.
@@LFC4evaYNWA You just can't drop the race hustling, can you? It sounds like you're not equipped to be held to any kind of standard. It's like you need the bar lowered for you. You'd be ashamed of yourself if you had any self respect.
I went to USC in the 90s and critical theory/grievance studies were already gaining major traction. I look back at that time in my life and it feels like being in a cult. Universities have become totally misguided from their original mission.
We wouldn't be having any of these discussions if she didn't say "it depends on the context" when she was asked if calling for the genocide of Jews was against Harvard's code of conduct. Liberal here who is very very okay with the campaign to oust her. Some just can't stomach that someone on the right was correct for once. Next to go, MIT's prez!
I agree 100%. Whoever says that this is about race is obviously living in a fantasy land. The fact that 2 other university presidents were also brought before Congress and all 3 of them openly admitted that they will allow antisemitism on their campuses, and at least 2 of them have been forced to step down. 1 of them is a white American. The other is an African American.
Stefanik talked those women into a spot where any answer would be wrong, and didn’t give academics, who almost never make simplistic statements, time to make the nuanced argument about competing principles etc., that they were beginning.
If she really plagiarized then she should be OUT, not just from the presidency but from academia as well. They can think about hiring the people who actually did the work she claimed to have done.
Ali Velshi is almost right when he says: “But here is possibly the ugliest part of this whole chapter. Academics, speech and learning are not primary - money is!” No, Mr Ali Velshi, you are almost right: “Academics, speech and learning are not primary - DEI is”!! Universities are no longer institutions where knowledge is taught; universities are DEI megaphones!!
Given that knowledge can’t really be taught but acquired by the student I’m not terribly surprised you find diversity, equality and inclusion so worthless…
I love how so many of you love to start at the moment something happens where you can point the finger at a person of non-European descent as if history doesn't exist. If we look back at ALL of North, Central and South American and Western European history from 1600s to 1960s that is NOTHING but affirmative action for white people. You had NO competition from anyone of color, not because you are smarter or more qualified, but because you suppressed, enslaved, corrupted, intimidated, stole from and murdered non-Europeans who were sadly under your thumb and you peacock around as if it was because you are/were so much smarter and more worthy. Everything was white affirmative action prior to 1960s.
time to tax hedge funds and their managers/owners like the irs taxes average citizens, to the max. then get rid of tax write offs for donations to colleges and universities.
dumbkof, regular citizens donate to universities all the time, would you deny them tax breaks too? Harvard doesn't need the money but lil ol University of Podunk, Alabama does.
@@jimmason8502 do what other industrialized countries do. give our citizens free quality public education. even israel does. you know the country we give billions to every year. donations by the rich to public and private universities and colleges just gives them control over who is hired, what the curriculum is, what is allowed as free speech, how the students are controlled, what sectors of education are supported, what type of university presidents are put in charge. of course if the gov't paid for community, colleges, and universities there would have to be major restrictions on the gov't's influence on how things were run.
Continue like this and for all their millions the lauded alumni will soon have to watch their alma maters struggle to attract, engage and retain top quality academic staff.
#1. Trump didn't tell us that Covid 19 was a deadly virus on January 19, 2020! He didn't want the Stock Market to crash from a panic! #2. Trump called John McCain a loser for being captured after being shot down in his F-4 Phantom over Viet Nam. #3. Trump made fun of Handicapped Veteran's and told Gen. Kelly to get the wheelchair veteran's off the stage it makes him look weak. #4. Trump removed the ban on Military weapons and magazines the first week in office and mass shooting's started to rise. etc.
@@donjindrathe same bubble that lowered the wife of the hedgefund billionair donor who went after Claudine. I guess you have to be married to the right people.
Why is the law firm of WilmerHale not being criticized for their disastrous "prep" for Gay's appearance before Congress? And if she is this great leader that her supporters say why does she need a "prep" to know the difference between right and wrong?
She is still paid a huge salary for failing upwards, in spite of her questionable conduct. Holding a person to a standard is not racism. Stop the victim narrative and the distortions.
BS, soon as they labeled her a DEI hire it was racism plain and simple. Had she been white, that would not have even been a concern, they couldn't use that to try and paint her as inferior. DEI implies she is not good enough due to her skin color and was only hired because of it...not because of her credentials and experience. Just another way for disgusting shtbags to freely exercise their racist tendencies as history in American has proven generation after generation.
When these charges of plagiarism began to emerge she said: 'I look forward to a world free of plagiarism. You may say I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one.
The true story is she was a bad student and a bad hire. Facts are facts. She was also allowed to edit a plagiarized dissertation when it should have been failed with a notation on her transcripts of plagiarism just like everyone else. She ow has a job teaching at Harvard for almost a million a year with no notable accomplishments in academia or business.
Sorry that i committed inadequate citation nearly 50 times on the papers that were used to hire me. It's not plagiarism, plagiarism means i did it intentionally, however, the only reason i did it was because i was inadequate and thus anyone that blames me as plagiarising is a racist.
calling for a genocide of jews is wrong depending on the context. If i call for the genocide of black people in Harvard Campus will it depend on context? Double standards.
Very interesting and well laid out. (especially if its true) CG had brought Harvard to a new all time low - so far from its roots nearly 400 years ago. It's great to hear about the concerted effort to begin cleaning up that mess. Hopefully this is only the beginning.
If Bill Ackman disagrees with how a university chooses its leaders he should feel free to take his money elsewhere. Who needs his kind of interference? He wants to blacklist students for political reasons? No thanks, Bill.
Velshi is truly clueless. She did plagiarize-- in countless instances-- and was also totally disinterested in standing up to the clear antisemitism toward Harvard students. It's without foundation to blame her dismissal on race or gender. Truly a specious argument.
@@SavannahL5214 It's not because they say so. It's because she did and it's been verified that she did. You're only denying it because you share the same skin color, like that's important.
Let's check him for everything. Have a team of accountants and securities lawyers go over all his filings. (The New York Times reviewed Trump's filings and found lots of fraud -- usually after the statute of limitations expired, unfortunately.)
Astounding how cheating is now recognized when it is also perpetrated by the other side. Why wasn’t it recognized before despite over 50 offenses? And what type of plagiarism gets you a $900 salary. Is that racism?
Ackman recenty said his wife copying Wikipedia verbatim without citation or quotes isn't plagiarism. It goes to show how butthurt and embarrassed he is. The only thing left is ranting on X.
Sociology is a component of philosophy. It uses conceptual lenses to understand the world. Cite something 4 times and it becomes a theory. science and medicine is self correcting. Use the laws of physics to fly a plane and not the belief that it could fly. Plagiarism is inevitable in sociology since their is little new knowledge since 1907 in the understanding of human behavior. 1. Freud 2. Ericson 3. Bandera. Just Cite them ad infinitum
I've never worked in academia, but know plenty who do. In the UK you don't get to be a professor in the humanities unless you've written at least 3, sole authored, books. Gaye has written papers, I think 12 were mentioned. She isn't qualified to be anything other than an assistant lecturer.
You don't know anything. You heard or read it somewhere, and now you are an expert. I bet you're one of those cheeky British women who loath Megan Markle with your racist comments. Stay out of America's business.
3 Self Authored books? This is a bold faced lie. For the sake of due diligence, I had to check again the professorship criteria for several UK universities before typing my response. Academic Output can be Evidenced by research publications, monographs, editorials etc.. While Universities generally have autonomy to grant various kinds of professorships, I have personally not encountered any that places a strict restriction of authorship of At Least 3 Books! Let alone this casual generalization you have made for the entire UK!
There are a lot of academic fields in which the best researchers never publish a book. It’s all scientific papers and they’re almost always by multiple authors. The first author is the person who did most of the lab work and the last author is head of the project. In the middle are people who contributed significantly.
I cannot accept her reply of "it depends on the context" to the question of genocide. I cannot understand why that answer by anyone would ever be okay. However, I question all of the recent accusations of plagiarism. Are all schools as sloppy as Harvard and MIT about checking papers submitted. Why wasn't the need for corrections brought to her attention when her paper was submitted? If we examined all papers submitted at all colleges, I wonder how many would not have some form of plagiarism. Today we can be accused of plagiarizing something we have never read or heard spoken, only because someone may have said or written it before we did. Can we rely on search engines for correct information?
@@eleannakritikaki4811 was it? Mere speech may be hateful or wrong but in of itself are not genocide - but still, let’s not use this nonsense to obscure the genocide going on in Gaza.
Her answer wasn't about whether genocide was ok, of course it's not. The question about about speech, none of the students at Harvard were committing genocide.
Race, gender, money, politics and the right wing. Nothing to do with the fact that she said, before Congress, that calling for genocide did not constitute harassment. May a competent, black, female person take her place. She was morally unfit for the job and it’s important to understand the mistakes that led to her being appointed to such a position. Pointing out that some of her critics are unpleasant is not good enough. Not nearly.
Above all don’t lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lies, comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, as so loses all respect for himself or others. And having no respect, he ceases to love. Fyodor Dostoyevsky
Yeah. She had her own agenda. She wants to quash anti-Israel speech on campus. That said, Gay's response was abysmal. And demonstrated blatantly hypocritical and politicized speech codes.
Most Americans disagree with everything Velshi said. Im not even right and thought she should resign. If you plagiarize, kick other black professors out of harvard due to conflict of ideas and make your jewish students feel unsafe while also being president while the school is dead last in freedom of ideas and speech (FIRE rankings) it is absolutely immoral to keep her as president due to the color of her skin. If the president was white and a male I would say the same thing. What a double standard. Our country is getting further divided due to Velshi and takes like this one.
If you actually paid attention, they investigated the allegations and only found instances of improper citation and no instances of stealing the work of others. Last I turned in a paper improper citation was a couple points off your grade and if you have a really nice teacher a chance to redo those citations, not a 0 for the paper and expulsion. I’m 100% sure that if we went over every university president’s body of work we would find the same citation problem in all of them. The only reason someone cared enough to do it to her was she was a prominent Black woman, which is the point of this whole news feature. She resigned out of courtesy for the bad reputation, not necessity. Plagiarism is bad, but when accusations are flung you need to bring receipts because unlike a lot of other crimes this isn't a he said she said matter this is all in writing or recording and you can actually physically compare. For comparison this is like being told someone is a thief who stole vast amounts of money, only to find on investigation they miscalculated the change on a bill a couple of times. Yes they should pay up where those discrepancies are present, but they shouldn't be labeled a thief, nor go to jail for a couple of bills that didn't quite add up.
Bill Ackman is right, glad someone is willing to use its financial capacities in order to bring Harvard back on track where it belongs - a fine intellectual institution for teaching and research, not a playgroundlaboratory for people with the sole interest of promoting cancel culture
At the opening of the hearings, I noted the Democratic Congresswoman congratulating all three presidents because they were women and that was such a great thing. Two have now resigned in disgrace and the third is on her way. Oops.
Reading below, it is clear to me that some people are (still) missing the point. Plagiarism is either defensible or it is not. If ANY mistake means dismissal, then every person who makes these mistakes should be dismissed. If they are not dismissed, then YES, there is a reason to search for reasons/causes for the differentiations as to who is let go and who is allowed to keep their jobs. When in a country such as ours where skin, culture, gender does make a difference, it must be considered as to why distinctions are made between who is allowed to keep their jobs and who are not. To not see that difference is a choice on each of us to play ignorant or prove yourself so.
We could debate whether "any" mistake means dismissal. However in this case there are about 40 instances of verbatim passages from other authors in the 11 papers she has published in a 20 year career. She has admitted this occurred. Did she simply "forget" to make the appropriate citation in all those cases? Highly unlikely but at minimum it demonstrates a history of truly sloppy work that is not up to the standard you should demand from a tenured Professor and certainly not the President of a top university.
SHE WASN'T DISMISSED. Harvard conducted an investigation and didn't fire her. So you can keep singing plagiarism, plagiarism, plagiarism as much as you want. That's not the POINT. But you deplorable people won. Cherish your victory. In the meantime, your country is becoming more and more unstable and insane.
If you actually paid attention, they investigated the allegations and only found instances of improper citation and no instances of stealing the work of others. Last I turned in a paper improper citation was a couple points off your grade and if you have a really nice teacher a chance to redo those citations, not a 0 for the paper and expulsion. I’m 100% sure that if we went over every university president’s body of work we would find the same citation problem in all of them. The only reason someone cared enough to do it to her was she was a prominent Black woman, which is the point of this whole news feature. She resigned out of courtesy for the bad reputation, not necessity. Plagiarism is bad, but when accusations are flung you need to bring receipts because unlike a lot of other crimes this isn't a he said she said matter this is all in writing or recording and you can actually physically compare. For comparison this is like being told someone is a thief who stole vast amounts of money, only to find on investigation they miscalculated the change on a bill a couple of times. Yes they should pay up where those discrepancies are present, but they shouldn't be labeled a thief, nor go to jail for a couple of bills that didn't quite add up.
@@ookamiblade6318"improper citation" falls under plagiarism, if I submitted a paper with improper citation I would be called into a meeting to explain myself, if my explanation was unsatisfactory I would be expelled.
Wow! This show is hard to watch. this guy is so left that is hurts. people just dont report the news anymore.....they love to stick in their political views and bash who they dont like. It would be nice to just hear the news for a change and let people think what they think.
Absolute BS. She is a mediocre researcher who has achieved and published far less than is normal for someone in that position. And what little she has published includes 40 documented examples of plagiarism. I'll give you one guess as to how she got promoted this far and it isn't talent.
Normie, Define "research" papers. I wrote many papers during the course of receiving my M.B.A. Being ignorant to the facts-- or choosing to ignore them-- is truly sad. She Absolutely deserved to go-- all 3 of them did!
Who would want to go to Harvard at this point, horrible to their students don't protect them, cheating is fine, if your caught cheating you might be demoted but your pay will stay the same? Who would want to go there?
None of Ms. Gay's troubles would have unfolded had her responses to the question on whether calling for a genocide against the Israeli Jews at Harvard, the institution she headed not been as appallingly clueless - and also disgraceful, to a wide section of the public. In the Navy, ship captains are removed from command for leadership mistakes. This does, and should, happen in institutions, following grossly incompetent performance. The white as white University of Pennsylvania head was out specifically for her similarly inept performance. No CRT or DEI falderal - just incompetent and offensive performance.
Ali just laid out examples that the harassment started _BEFORE_ she said that, before she was even in that position. Yes, I disagree with her comments, but linear time is a thing.
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She said that calling for genocide was only wrong in certain contexts. Regardless of whether she was targeted, that was a stupid thing to say and shows a lack of comprehension that is staggering.
@jeremyalexander2174 Yeah, like the freedom to intentionally misgender someone at Harvard. Not like Harvard isn't the lowest ranked college for free speech.. finally they remembered their free speech absolutistism for killing jews..
It was stupid to think she could get away with being deliberately bigoted. She thought so because she is used to getting away with being bigoted against Whites. She thought Jews are just Whites she can offend without recourse. Imagine being this clueless about how things work. Clearly a quota hire, no merit whatsoever.
@@dinfernosev So you're telling me there's a time and place for advocating genocide?
@@johnroscoe2406 Clearly Biden believes the presidency is the right place to advocate for genocide because he’s allowing Benjamin Netanyahu and his cronies to get away with it.
Academic plagiarism is acceptable for the president of Harvard if the charges are raised by a conservative or wealthy donors.
Unacceptable for; students, potential new faculty, or guest speakers.
I thought she resigned all by herself. Maybe under pressure from the board, but Velshi didn't bother to find that out or even mention it.
@@freekfaro5606 Forced out smart guy.
@@orcuttnyc if the board wants you out because of outside pressure they can fire you. They didn't. She did it by herself.
That’s because it’s not “plagiarism”
Okay.. 'duplicative language.' Same thing! Derp derp.@@JoyFay
Was Claudine Gay's firing reasonable? - IT DEPENDS ON THE CONTEXT
That's an awesome comment.
Ofcourse it's ethically correctly
What was meant by that was the reasons Rufo gave for railroading her out.
He methodically laid out his strategy for all the public to view. His strategy had nothing to do with her qualifications. It was strictly political. But as usual, a certain amount of Americans are easily manipulated and cannot see the forest for the trees
And now we know the context, it was a hit job and the perpetrator publicly admitted it was so.
😂😅 😆😅🤣😂😁😆
Here we have a woman with a 20 year career in high academia. A supposed PHD who in the span of her entire career has Z-E-R-0 book publications dealing with her specialty, and has submitted just 11 papers for publication in technical journals - all of which have been found to contain plagiarised content. She was the Dean of one of the most prestigious universities in the country, which long before she got there published an Student Code of Honor which establishes penalties for plagiarism and/or lack of citation which range from written censure to permanent expulsion. Enough said.
Shut up.
She's not really a PhD? Huh!
She's has 11 published papers and pretended it was her own work? Huh!
Did she receive a written censure or was she expelled? If she was expelled in a way then why is GOP unhappy with the outcome and also why hasn't the GOP demanded that the policy be changed? Also which policy allowed the bullying in the first place? Did a Jewish student file a harassment complaint?
Supposed? Wonder if that’s a question of fact which is easily checked if you could be bothered doing a little background work.
She didn't plagiarize. Look at the whole video and look up the definition of plagiarism.
It was a "special paraphrasing operation." @@SavannahL5214
Oh yes MSNBC, it wasn't what she said or did.... it was her race and gender that matter. Though you would think a college would care about people's minds, not only about how people look.
Exactly
Spot on.
What racists. All they see is her skin color. Not anything she said or did.
Lol- thanks for the laugh
Universities have been woke a long time now, even before "woke" was a thing.
Her response to the question on antisemitism was bad. Really bad. She should have resigned then. Whatever colour, whatever gender, whatever.
One of the main jobs of a university president is to raise donations for capital projects and the like. When you lose the confidence of your donors, you’re done.
That could always be used when wanting to get rid of black people. Probably was used because how many black people have been president of Harvard?
Maybe universities shouldn't be ran by billionaires for profit , and frankly nation traitors like Ackman, who is basically a foreign agent
that is probably Gays reallity
Between doing that and being the public face of a university, that's just about all they do. They have a provost and deans for everything else.
Here it's nothing to do with donors ...it's humanity vs genocide
The real story is that Harvard knew about her plagiarism issues before hiring her, only caring about her gender, race, and political activism.
I know actual definitions never sway people, but the definition of plagiarism is the representation of another person's language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions as one's own original work. She did not plagiarize. Incorrectly citing is not the same as representing the work as your own. Her the specifics matter.
@@SavannahL5214 Where did you hear that all she did was mis-cite? She took paragraphs of other's work and never cited it at all.
@@perryroberts4353 It was in the literature review section of her papers. It's essential to clarify that the literature review in a research article serves the purpose of discussing prior research and findings. It's also the section where errors may be seen as less severe and can be rectified. Plagiarism in the discussion section or the use of someone else's conclusions would indeed constitute a more serious offense. This is not what Claudine did. Is that clear to you?
@@SavannahL5214 Oh look here you are again, defending the indefensible because you have the same skin color and that's all that matters to you.
@@hayonimengi4171 There are more than fifty cases of her plagiarizing.
The best and most qualified person should be hired PERIOD!
Only in a perfect world. 99.9% of hires is based off politics.
Its called the dumbing down all because of race???
She is the most qualified
She was the most qualified. Period.
@konstantinkrastev4478 qualified to be the most embarrassing lowIQ diversity hire in the history of Harvard.
Imagine calling the board of Harvard and Jewish alumni a "right wing effort".
Imagine it being a right wing effort...you don't have to imagine
@@gtitboij2586 the board and alumni vote Democrat at a 98% clip. See, that 👆 there is evidence for my statement. Now you try.
It is a rightwing effort ,and its a foreign agent effort
@@konstantinkrastev4478 Nobody cares what the racist left thinks.
Billionaires wife is also on the Jeffrey Epstein list👠👙💋👄👅
Well - it doesn't depend on the context at all. Answers like she gave in Congress alone should have resulted in her immediate dismissal. Regardless of whether a campaign has occurred or not.
You believe that because you want to censor criticism of Israel.
But "experts say" her response was correct 😂
@@norman_5623 Msnbc fail to mention that Bill Ackman and his wife are jewish democrats😂😂
ALL I HEARD WAS 😭😭😭😭😭 IM GLAD CLAUDINE IS GONE! CONTROL UR SCHOOL AND PROTECT YOUR STUDENTS
Her downfall was her responses. The white woman resigned her position first. It didn't have anything to do with race but did with the absurd and ridiculous response to questions. This enraged many.
DEI turning point.
Nothing to stop black only universities from naturally distinguishing themselves and expanding.
Is there?
Would be nice if we went back to a world based on merit
@@ttaylor758America was never built on merit. The haves and the have nots. The haves told the have nots they got the off merit, while they got referred y their rich uncle and cousins for jobs and given money for startups, they tell you low income people to work hard and you’ll get to where they are only to cause inflation and stagnant wages so they remain rich and you stay working poor
Universities are a common good but these Ivy League schools have become businesses. One cannot expect academic freedom to remain where for whatever reasons it disturbs that business model.
The biggest problem is that the board members are either radical left politicians, or strongly Marxist. They have a political agenda!
If they were all about business, they'd charge significantly more than they do, and they wouldn't give students whose parents make less than $100K a free education. They wouldn't give free gender-affirming care to trans students. The schools that routinely raised their tuition when more student aid was made available by the Federal Government would be more likely candidates for your accusation. Third party payment tends to make goods and services more expensive.
@@briancrawford8751 you have included much extraneous material that was never part of my point. Universities run as businesses no longer have academic freedom as funding can be contingent on not making donors unhappy. I have seen the most common example of this as "ideology masquerading as science" or where research is terminated because it is at odds with the donor's business or political interests.
@@briancrawford8751all about the context? Excellent woke standpoint.. Be careful you aren't met by equal unfair RACIIIIISM.. 🫡😱😂
Aside from the larger extinuating circumstances, i went to grad school in a quantitative field. I've heard people try and qualify fhe academic misconduct as less severe because she "only" failed to cite and that the argument and data were hers. But in quant fields, especially on a dissertation, you have to cite everything. Everything has to be in place. And the methodology is one of the most important parts to get right.
I went to a public research university and i would not have been able to slip text into an assignment a) because they have scanners now that check for plagiarism and b) because I'd have to have an academic misconduct trial and risk getting kicked out
Yes! We use Turnitin to check our papers and it’s highly effective. There is no excuse for not properly referencing works used.
I’m guessing her papers were before these tools were available but Universities spend many modules teaching ethics and research methodology. She really would have known the severity of plagiarism
Did they have scanners in 1997? How many people who referenced manually would pass the test if scrutinized with AI.
It was almost certain to raise some questions by just picking Ackman’s wife’s thesis and scrutinizing it. This is an MIT thesis done over 10 years after Gays.
I won’t be surprised some would come up with things from the new presidents stuff if it is run through AI. So the standards today with tech can’t be compared to those almost 30 years ago.
Not having cited some things correctly is NOT the reason she was let go. That’s just the smoke screen the monsters that are doing this do to try to legitimize and deflect from what they are actually doing which is to silence people, demean people and perpetuate whichever -ism they are targeting at the time.
@@notnabsar So what's your point, it's becoming easier to catch a theif? This may surprise you, but many people never plagiarized because they had too much integrity.
Not that I disagree with all the importance of correctly citing your sources. I have a degree in history and political science. So I get that said importance. However I argue that it happened in most older works, from when you couldn't just scan. It is something that was almost unavoidable with the amount of pages you wrote and which would have to be checked. I would have to say, if you want to have everyone resign who has citation problems, you probably won't have many older professors left.
But what I have more problems with, is, that some people are singled out here. If this initiative was genuine, they wouldn't go after people with some matching characteristics, irrelevant to the issue, but after all older thesis. And we have that Ruffo guy admitting it is political. And with that I have my qualms.
So the people that pointed at the wrong doing are the wrong doers. Make sense.
Same people who's wives actually did do that on all her work...funny how that works
@@LFC4evaYNWA You just can't drop the race hustling, can you?
It sounds like you're not equipped to be held to any kind of standard. It's like you need the bar lowered for you. You'd be ashamed of yourself if you had any self respect.
When the guilty is a black female.
I went to USC in the 90s and critical theory/grievance studies were already gaining major traction. I look back at that time in my life and it feels like being in a cult. Universities have become totally misguided from their original mission.
Well said! It has become a cult!
So what are we supposed to sit back and let our children be indoctrinated by the conservative cult?. 🤔 I don't think so.
We wouldn't be having any of these discussions if she didn't say "it depends on the context" when she was asked if calling for the genocide of Jews was against Harvard's code of conduct. Liberal here who is very very okay with the campaign to oust her. Some just can't stomach that someone on the right was correct for once. Next to go, MIT's prez!
BOT
@@mariablackwell2369 anyone that posts an opinion I disagree with.... BOT. You are insufferable
Brain dead liberal. I bet you support what Israel is doing in Gaza and love Bibi. With friends like you, who needs enemies?
I agree 100%. Whoever says that this is about race is obviously living in a fantasy land. The fact that 2 other university presidents were also brought before Congress and all 3 of them openly admitted that they will allow antisemitism on their campuses, and at least 2 of them have been forced to step down. 1 of them is a white American. The other is an African American.
Stefanik talked those women into a spot where any answer would be wrong, and didn’t give academics, who almost never make simplistic statements, time to make the nuanced argument about competing principles etc., that they were beginning.
The real force was the financial leverage. All others efforts would have been very limited without financial support.
This!
Agreed
The money is with the people who stole it from the poor and now they all have generational wealth.
Msnbc fail to mention that Bill Ackman and his wife are jewish democrats😂😂
I love how those two tweets he used of Ackman’s are factual and he’s touting ‘em like they’re nonsense
Because they’re nonsense.
@@Enterprise1701J how so? You sure explained it
Msnbc fail to mention that Bill Ackman and his wife are jewish democrats😂😂
Powerful Ali - thank you!
You believe his lies? Seriously? Nobody can be that gullible. It's easily debunked watching her deny and defend racism on video.
You believe his lies? Seriously? Nobody can be that gullible. It's easily debunked watching her deny and defend racism on video.
@@amrcombsit's probably a bot.
If she really plagiarized then she should be OUT, not just from the presidency but from academia as well. They can think about hiring the people who actually did the work she claimed to have done.
She didn't plagiarize. The specifics of what she did or didn't do is readily available with a simple search here on TH-cam
@@SavannahL5214
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Not even a good spam bot. 🤣
There's no if, she did
@@SavannahL5214 The most ignoble way of getting fooled is to lie to yourself.
It’s like they chose all these incompetent cheats just to make blacks look bad.
Velshi: “the hearings were a trap” 😂😂😂
Ali Velshi is almost right when he says: “But here is possibly the ugliest part of this whole chapter. Academics, speech and learning are not primary - money is!”
No, Mr Ali Velshi, you are almost right: “Academics, speech and learning are not primary - DEI is”!! Universities are no longer institutions where knowledge is taught; universities are DEI megaphones!!
It used to be.
Given that knowledge can’t really be taught but acquired by the student I’m not terribly surprised you find diversity, equality and inclusion so worthless…
Nice try
Your comments don't sound like demagoguery at all
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Chris, is that you??????
I love how so many of you love to start at the moment something happens where you can point the finger at a person of non-European descent as if history doesn't exist. If we look back at ALL of North, Central and South American and Western European history from 1600s to 1960s that is NOTHING but affirmative action for white people. You had NO competition from anyone of color, not because you are smarter or more qualified, but because you suppressed, enslaved, corrupted, intimidated, stole from and murdered non-Europeans who were sadly under your thumb and you peacock around as if it was because you are/were so much smarter and more worthy. Everything was white affirmative action prior to 1960s.
time to tax hedge funds and their managers/owners like the irs taxes average citizens, to the max. then get rid of tax write offs for donations to colleges and universities.
A reasonable solution I haven’t seen presented. Love this. Would the bill lass though?
Tax universities since they act as corporations
dumbkof, regular citizens donate to universities all the time, would you deny them tax breaks too? Harvard doesn't need the money but lil ol University of Podunk, Alabama does.
@@jimmason8502 do what other industrialized countries do. give our citizens free quality public education. even israel does. you know the country we give billions to every year. donations by the rich to public and private universities and colleges just gives them control over who is hired, what the curriculum is, what is allowed as free speech, how the students are controlled, what sectors of education are supported, what type of university presidents are put in charge. of course if the gov't paid for community, colleges, and universities there would have to be major restrictions on the gov't's influence on how things were run.
Msnbc fail to mention that Bill Ackman and his wife are jewish democrats😂😂
Continue like this and for all their millions the lauded alumni will soon have to watch their alma maters struggle to attract, engage and retain top quality academic staff.
They already do. Great minds don’t want to work in a closed minded institution. The Harvard of old no longer exists.
#1. Trump didn't tell us that Covid 19 was a deadly virus on January 19, 2020! He didn't want the Stock Market to crash from a panic!
#2. Trump called John McCain a loser for being captured after being shot down in his F-4 Phantom over Viet Nam.
#3. Trump made fun of Handicapped Veteran's and told Gen. Kelly to get the wheelchair veteran's off the stage it makes him look weak.
#4. Trump removed the ban on Military weapons and magazines the first week in office and mass shooting's started to rise. etc.
Maybe she shouldn’t cheat.
@@ryansteve2893 She didn't cheat, goofball.
Js have corrupted every institution in america
Was Claudine Gay's firing for racist, sexist, economic or political reasons? I think it depends on the context...
Depends on what bubble you are in.
@@fredm5285 The bubble lowered standards to get her the job in the first place
@@donjindrathe same bubble that lowered the wife of the hedgefund billionair donor who went after Claudine. I guess you have to be married to the right people.
@@paulomilan515 You're preaching to the choir there. You can add Trump's children to the mix.
@@donjindra we can shake on that
Why is the law firm of WilmerHale not being criticized for their disastrous "prep" for Gay's appearance before Congress? And if she is this great leader that her supporters say why does she need a "prep" to know the difference between right and wrong?
You can’t polish her.
She is still paid a huge salary for failing upwards, in spite of her questionable conduct. Holding a person to a standard is not racism. Stop the victim narrative and the distortions.
BS, soon as they labeled her a DEI hire it was racism plain and simple. Had she been white, that would not have even been a concern, they couldn't use that to try and paint her as inferior. DEI implies she is not good enough due to her skin color and was only hired because of it...not because of her credentials and experience. Just another way for disgusting shtbags to freely exercise their racist tendencies as history in American has proven generation after generation.
Wrong!!!! What is the story with Magill. You are a bag of hot air.
Thank you Chris Rufo!
We know EXACTLY what this is all about
When these charges of plagiarism began to emerge she said: 'I look forward to a world free of plagiarism. You may say I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one.
so... she is a genuine academic who didn't plagiarise anything and didn't have any anti-semitic statements? The 'prominent leader...'
She's pro Hamas supporter and that's worse than humanity
He's saying Lies ....
"Billionaire Bill Ackman Flip-Flops on Plagiarism After Wife Gets Caught," The Daily Beast. 2 Mins ago.
The daily beast isn't really known for its journalistic integrity.
Ali mentioned that in this video. Did you watch or were you just really eager to post your comment?
@@MyName-cw4yr… and MSNBC is!
😂😂😂
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Mind you, his wife graduated in a real academic field.
The true story is she was a bad student and a bad hire. Facts are facts. She was also allowed to edit a plagiarized dissertation when it should have been failed with a notation on her transcripts of plagiarism just like everyone else. She ow has a job teaching at Harvard for almost a million a year with no notable accomplishments in academia or business.
Sorry that i committed inadequate citation nearly 50 times on the papers that were used to hire me. It's not plagiarism, plagiarism means i did it intentionally, however, the only reason i did it was because i was inadequate and thus anyone that blames me as plagiarising is a racist.
That’s not what happened
well Joy, please do tell us what happened?@@JoyFay
@joyfay- Yes Joy, please tell us what really happened. Can’t wait to hear this one 😂
calling for a genocide of jews is wrong depending on the context. If i call for the genocide of black people in Harvard Campus will it depend on context? Double standards.
Very interesting and well laid out. (especially if its true) CG had brought Harvard to a new all time low - so far from its roots nearly 400 years ago. It's great to hear about the concerted effort to begin cleaning up that mess. Hopefully this is only the beginning.
Msnbc fail to mention that Bill Ackman and his wife are jewish democrats😂😂
If Bill Ackman disagrees with how a university chooses its leaders he should feel free to take his money elsewhere. Who needs his kind of interference? He wants to blacklist students for political reasons? No thanks, Bill.
I'm sure Bill will do that in the future with his donations
Msnbc fail to mention that Bill Ackman and his wife are jewish democrats😂😂
He wasn’t black listing students. He was black listing potential job applicants and he can do that. He doesn’t have to hire terrorists sympathizers
It does not matter who is saying what, the facts matter. And they do not speak in favour of Ms Gray
In a trial, evidence must be at least presented before a verdict is rendered. A lack of evidence is not in itself evidence.
Good story, let's help get the MIT head to resign.
Velshi is truly clueless. She did plagiarize-- in countless instances-- and was also totally disinterested in standing up to the clear antisemitism toward Harvard students. It's without foundation to blame her dismissal on race or gender. Truly a specious argument.
She did not plagiarize. Just because you say it is so does not make it so
@@SavannahL5214 It's not because they say so. It's because she did and it's been verified that she did. You're only denying it because you share the same skin color, like that's important.
Did you ever write a research paper?
@@johnroscoe2406 Where has it been verified?
@@norman_5623 And as for you, you're just doing the "I'm Liberal and she's a POC so I must defend her no matter what" thing. And you know you are.
Oh and significant plagiarism and moral incompetence but that's OK....
The money has the power!
The stolen money has the power to
Stolen money , stolen land has the power no one knows that more than the eternal victims.😅😅
Check Bill Ackman for plagiarism.
Well his wife plagiarized😂😂 so yeah check
Let's check him for everything. Have a team of accountants and securities lawyers go over all his filings. (The New York Times reviewed Trump's filings and found lots of fraud -- usually after the statute of limitations expired, unfortunately.)
Let's check OP for deflections and excuses.
Thank you for your insight Ali! Eloquent and intelligent 👍
Astounding how cheating is now recognized when it is also perpetrated by the other side. Why wasn’t it recognized before despite over 50 offenses? And what type of plagiarism gets you a $900 salary. Is that racism?
Thé kind that Can make you thé président of Harvard when you check all thé right boxes
Ackman recenty said his wife copying Wikipedia verbatim without citation or quotes isn't plagiarism. It goes to show how butthurt and embarrassed he is. The only thing left is ranting on X.
Sociology is a component of philosophy. It uses conceptual lenses to understand the world.
Cite something 4 times and it becomes a theory.
science and medicine is self correcting.
Use the laws of physics to fly a plane and not the belief that it could fly.
Plagiarism is inevitable in sociology since their is little new knowledge since 1907 in the understanding of human behavior.
1. Freud
2. Ericson
3. Bandera.
Just Cite them ad infinitum
Correct. It is permitted for sociology. None of those theories are predictive of human behavior.
Wikipedia is open source knowledge.
@@charlesdarwin5185
Also the easiest exams to pass because you can just make stuff up.
Billionaires wife is also on the Jeffrey Epstein list👠👙💋👄👅
Msnbc fail to mention that Bill Ackman and his wife are jewish democrats😂😂
Black people learn from this!!,
!! BUILD YOUR OWN!!
No matter how an excellent acadamic & capable you are.
!!This will happen!!
Great reporting. I'm sick of greed running what seems like everything.
Lol thanks for the laugh
A serial plagiarist - regardless of race. She did not qualify for the job
She was completely unqualified, save for her politics.
I've never worked in academia, but know plenty who do. In the UK you don't get to be a professor in the humanities unless you've written at least 3, sole authored, books. Gaye has written papers, I think 12 were mentioned. She isn't qualified to be anything other than an assistant lecturer.
Why don't you come to the US and learn the reality of the Israel lobby and the anti-integration lobby.
You don't know anything. You heard or read it somewhere, and now you are an expert. I bet you're one of those cheeky British women who loath Megan Markle with your racist comments. Stay out of America's business.
@norman- you don’t think there are Jews in the UK?? 😂
3 Self Authored books? This is a bold faced lie. For the sake of due diligence, I had to check again the professorship criteria for several UK universities before typing my response. Academic Output can be Evidenced by research publications, monographs, editorials etc.. While Universities generally have autonomy to grant various kinds of professorships, I have personally not encountered any that places a strict restriction of authorship of At Least 3 Books! Let alone this casual generalization you have made for the entire UK!
There are a lot of academic fields in which the best researchers never publish a book. It’s all scientific papers and they’re almost always by multiple authors. The first author is the person who did most of the lab work and the last author is head of the project. In the middle are people who contributed significantly.
I cannot accept her reply of "it depends on the context" to the question of genocide. I cannot understand why that answer by anyone would ever be okay.
However, I question all of the recent accusations of plagiarism. Are all schools as sloppy as Harvard and MIT about checking papers submitted. Why wasn't the need for corrections brought to her attention when her paper was submitted?
If we examined all papers submitted at all colleges, I wonder how many would not have some form of plagiarism. Today we can be accused of plagiarizing something we have never read or heard spoken, only because someone may have said or written it before we did. Can we rely on search engines for correct information?
Ask Jared K.!
It's a crazy response to this question.
@@eleannakritikaki4811 was it? Mere speech may be hateful or wrong but in of itself are not genocide - but still, let’s not use this nonsense to obscure the genocide going on in Gaza.
Her answer wasn't about whether genocide was ok, of course it's not. The question about about speech, none of the students at Harvard were committing genocide.
@@mikeharper3459she made excuses for genocidal rhetoric, which is never ok.
Race, gender, money, politics and the right wing. Nothing to do with the fact that she said, before Congress, that calling for genocide did not constitute harassment. May a competent, black, female person take her place. She was morally unfit for the job and it’s important to understand the mistakes that led to her being appointed to such a position. Pointing out that some of her critics are unpleasant is not good enough. Not nearly.
Above all don’t lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lies, comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, as so loses all respect for himself or others. And having no respect, he ceases to love. Fyodor Dostoyevsky
Stefanik seemed sus to me. Her manner of questioning did not seem to come from an authentic place, there was a holier- than-thou attitude behind it.
She is Nasty. REAL nasty. I hope that people recognize that.
Because to libs like you, hate speech against jews means nothing
Yeah. She had her own agenda. She wants to quash anti-Israel speech on campus. That said, Gay's response was abysmal. And demonstrated blatantly hypocritical and politicized speech codes.
Most Americans disagree with everything Velshi said. Im not even right and thought she should resign. If you plagiarize, kick other black professors out of harvard due to conflict of ideas and make your jewish students feel unsafe while also being president while the school is dead last in freedom of ideas and speech (FIRE rankings) it is absolutely immoral to keep her as president due to the color of her skin. If the president was white and a male I would say the same thing. What a double standard. Our country is getting further divided due to Velshi and takes like this one.
Learn to use periods.. That run on sentence made absolutely no sense..
I agree. This Vishi guy represents very few common sense Americans. DEI wokism has run its course.
If you actually paid attention, they investigated the allegations and only found instances of improper citation and no instances of stealing the work of others. Last I turned in a paper improper citation was a couple points off your grade and if you have a really nice teacher a chance to redo those citations, not a 0 for the paper and expulsion. I’m 100% sure that if we went over every university president’s body of work we would find the same citation problem in all of them. The only reason someone cared enough to do it to her was she was a prominent Black woman, which is the point of this whole news feature. She resigned out of courtesy for the bad reputation, not necessity. Plagiarism is bad, but when accusations are flung you need to bring receipts because unlike a lot of other crimes this isn't a he said she said matter this is all in writing or recording and you can actually physically compare. For comparison this is like being told someone is a thief who stole vast amounts of money, only to find on investigation they miscalculated the change on a bill a couple of times. Yes they should pay up where those discrepancies are present, but they shouldn't be labeled a thief, nor go to jail for a couple of bills that didn't quite add up.
MaxB.
Words of a white guy intimidated by black and brown people who are smarter than him-especially women!
"Most Americans"?? Really, Maxie? And on what evidence is that assertion based?
Hog Wash!
Based on the comments, Velshi and MSNBC are both incredibly Tone Deaf on this issue.
Velshi's version of Gay's (and every toddler's) response to being caught "....you're picking on me" and "...but they did it too!!"
First time liking msnbc presentation.
Double standard, because you have money and money has the power to control
Google "I Vote on Plagiarism Cases at Harvard". Click on the first Harvard Crimson link
Double standard?
Both sides have money tho
True force is that we normal people are fed up with DEI.
Nice reporting, Ali!
Its all lies!
Mr. Velshi, I am so very very grateful for your voice, your courage, your honor...your trustworthy truth-telling. WE NEED YOU!!! THANK YOU!!!
So if black people cheat, it’s ok?
Bill Ackman is right, glad someone is willing to use its financial capacities in order to bring Harvard back on track where it belongs - a fine intellectual institution for teaching and research, not a playgroundlaboratory for people with the sole interest of promoting cancel culture
Terrific presentation of facts, Ali... 5 stars.
Zero "stars". It all ultra leftist claptrap.
He is a liar.
He's tellin you a story not the story.
Money is power in the USA
Reverse Racism is compassion and empathy of others, regardless of skin color.
Reverse Racism is unbridled hatred and extreme jealousy of your moral and intellectual White superiors.
Topple her career? What career?
Powerful & Important segment- Emmy Worthy
She wasn't really good at her job tho was she?
Great job as usual Ali. People are sleeping through what's really going on.
Your in a coma
Yes the left wing zombies are sleeping.
Yes the left wing zombies are sleeping.
Depressing.
thanks for the coverage of this issue.
nah nah nah ..... she did wrong so she gotta go
Been waiting for someone in the corporate media to go through the whole/complete story.
Very well done Ali.
A dismal failure.
He's spreading lies.
Thanks for the laugh
She went against Israel and that is it.
So you are OK with plagerism by a Harvard President? How do you think the students feel that were kicked out of Harvard due to plagerism?
Of course not. But amazingly none of it came to light until she agreed to Pro Palestinian rallies.
@@manijeh9843 She didn't resign until the plagerism came to light.
So she was railroaded. What's new? One good political turn deserves another. It's why you don't appear before Stefanik and crew. It was indeed a trap.
hahaha! A simple question is a trap. Give me break.
At the opening of the hearings, I noted the Democratic Congresswoman congratulating all three presidents because they were women and that was such a great thing. Two have now resigned in disgrace and the third is on her way. Oops.
Reading below, it is clear to me that some people are (still) missing the point. Plagiarism is either defensible or it is not. If ANY mistake means dismissal, then every person who makes these mistakes should be dismissed. If they are not dismissed, then YES, there is a reason to search for reasons/causes for the differentiations as to who is let go and who is allowed to keep their jobs. When in a country such as ours where skin, culture, gender does make a difference, it must be considered as to why distinctions are made between who is allowed to keep their jobs and who are not. To not see that difference is a choice on each of us to play ignorant or prove yourself so.
We could debate whether "any" mistake means dismissal. However in this case there are about 40 instances of verbatim passages from other authors in the 11 papers she has published in a 20 year career. She has admitted this occurred. Did she simply "forget" to make the appropriate citation in all those cases? Highly unlikely but at minimum it demonstrates a history of truly sloppy work that is not up to the standard you should demand from a tenured Professor and certainly not the President of a top university.
Did you ever write a research paper?
Discrimination is MUCH worse in MANY other coutries. The world does revolve around the USofA
SHE WASN'T DISMISSED. Harvard conducted an investigation and didn't fire her. So you can keep singing plagiarism, plagiarism, plagiarism as much as you want. That's not the POINT. But you deplorable people won. Cherish your victory. In the meantime, your country is becoming more and more unstable and insane.
Stefanik is a Russian asset.
She did it to herself, they wouldn’t tolerate plagiarism by everyone if their students. Now she plays the victim.
No she didn't! It's not her fault she got caught!
If you actually paid attention, they investigated the allegations and only found instances of improper citation and no instances of stealing the work of others. Last I turned in a paper improper citation was a couple points off your grade and if you have a really nice teacher a chance to redo those citations, not a 0 for the paper and expulsion. I’m 100% sure that if we went over every university president’s body of work we would find the same citation problem in all of them. The only reason someone cared enough to do it to her was she was a prominent Black woman, which is the point of this whole news feature. She resigned out of courtesy for the bad reputation, not necessity. Plagiarism is bad, but when accusations are flung you need to bring receipts because unlike a lot of other crimes this isn't a he said she said matter this is all in writing or recording and you can actually physically compare. For comparison this is like being told someone is a thief who stole vast amounts of money, only to find on investigation they miscalculated the change on a bill a couple of times. Yes they should pay up where those discrepancies are present, but they shouldn't be labeled a thief, nor go to jail for a couple of bills that didn't quite add up.
She didn't plagiarism
@@ookamiblade6318improper citation is stealing other people's work....
@@ookamiblade6318"improper citation" falls under plagiarism, if I submitted a paper with improper citation I would be called into a meeting to explain myself, if my explanation was unsatisfactory I would be expelled.
I think they should check everybody's work and if they cheated they need to go
Another billionaire causing problems for everybody. We need to spread the wealth.
Yeah, spread Gays 900k$ wealth.
Wow! This show is hard to watch. this guy is so left that is hurts. people just dont report the news anymore.....they love to stick in their political views and bash who they dont like. It would be nice to just hear the news for a change and let people think what they think.
Thank you Ali for the (very ugly) truth about this story
Truth? It a tissue of lies.
Absolute BS. She is a mediocre researcher who has achieved and published far less than is normal for someone in that position. And what little she has published includes 40 documented examples of plagiarism. I'll give you one guess as to how she got promoted this far and it isn't talent.
You are defending fraud
She is antisemitic and doesn't fit the position. Plagiarism is not ok in any context too lol. Why did she keep her $900K salary after resignation?
Normie,
Define "research" papers.
I wrote many papers during the course of receiving my M.B.A.
Being ignorant to the facts-- or choosing to ignore them-- is truly sad.
She Absolutely deserved to go-- all 3 of them did!
Who would want to go to Harvard at this point, horrible to their students don't protect them, cheating is fine, if your caught cheating you might be demoted but your pay will stay the same? Who would want to go there?
Other university presidents have published more in a year than she has in her whole career! Does that make her a suitable candidate???
Is that a criteria to being president at a university? I'm guessing not.
@@clayoreilly4553Nope. Their job is to raise money. Promote the cause of the school.
As an academic --- she wasn't.
@@susanschlesinger4791That wasn't her job 'to publish'. But do go on because it seems as though you imagine you 'know' many things.
@@clayoreilly4553 Look into the publication lists of past Harvard presidents. Her short publication list is record setting.
He mad cause he plagiarized claudine's look
Oye Vey!
This has back fired on us!
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msnbc is really the BOTTOM of journalism in America
Unless they planted the plagiarism into her dissertation back in the 90's, she cheated. We need to start being honest.
Some dudes wife vs. Head of Harvard. Totally the same standard.
None of Ms. Gay's troubles would have unfolded had her responses to the question on whether calling for a genocide against the Israeli Jews at Harvard, the institution she headed not been as appallingly clueless - and also disgraceful, to a wide section of the public. In the Navy, ship captains are removed from command for leadership mistakes. This does, and should, happen in institutions, following grossly incompetent performance. The white as white University of Pennsylvania head was out specifically for her similarly inept performance. No CRT or DEI falderal - just incompetent and offensive performance.
Sorry about your weak logic.
Why should the FREE SPEECH of students on campus be her problem in the first place?
Ali just laid out examples that the harassment started _BEFORE_ she said that, before she was even in that position. Yes, I disagree with her comments, but linear time is a thing.
@@asheronwindspear552What were her specific comments?
@@71suns I actually can't remember off the top of my head, I can only remember thinking that she'll have to issue an apology for them.