Grayheart We've completed TH-cam now. This comment is the greatest thing that humanity has writ. What I'm saying is, I fucking love this goddamn comment.
We now live in an age where grown men openly discuss in-depth the moral implications of consensual(?) sex with fictional sentient amphibian men/women. Delicious.
Funny you should mention Dolphins, because there is precedent there. There have been cases of female researchers being courted and then copulating with Dolphins. After the researcher was arrested for beastiality, the dolphin got super depressed and committed suicide from the loneliness.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Howe_Lovatt en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_suicide nypost.com/2014/06/10/the-dolphin-that-fell-in-love-with-a-human/amp/ allthatsinteresting.com/margaret-howe-lovatt amp.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/08/the-dolphin-who-loved-me So apparently Dolphins can commit suicide just by deciding to not breath and suffocating themselves to death
I never thought you guys would ever top the debate about ghosts. But here you are, talking about the potential moral implications of having carnal relations with aliens, fish people, and other fantasy species. Amazing.
U. Flame yep :) and the reason she did not change is because she is a late bloomer, she is actually suppose to get a hormonal like change of apperance and height but it did not kick in yet :).
Aaaaaaah right that creepy as shit sidequest. Gotta appeal to the loli fanbase I guess, because I can't think of any other reason as to why they would even bother.
That's where it always gets into this weird grey area, the same one Dizzy from Guilty Gear is in. If a character has technically only been alive for 5 or 10 years, but either quickly reached or was created with the body and mind of an adult, is it still bad?
Andriod 21 and Dizzy are literally the same character. Andriod just had her kid a lifetime ago, and we don't interact with her until she has 9 or so years of probably being a fully functional Kirby with sex appeal, while Dizzy shows up at 3 years old and has an egg kid later, and only at Xrd is she 8 years old. There's also status stuff, and she has wing systems.
y'know what's even more fucked up about the Twilight imprinting thing? it's implied that Jacob imprinted on THE EGG, and that's why he was in love with Bella. which means that that author doesn't understand how relationships OR the reproductive cycle work.
Something neither Woolie nor Matt mentioned that I was expecting them to address was: Is Cthulhu involved in any of this? Because fish fucking is right up his alley
This is the same person who says his cat "screams" all the time, emphasises *his. Every. Word* from time to time, and overall speaks in extremes (be on the lookout for every time he says something is "the worst") so yeah, I'm down to believe he's exaggerating if only just a smidge.
I think the greatest moment in Pats life wasn't getting married or having a son, it was making that woman so upset about the Twilight Wolf X baby thing and making her running away crying, she was probably taller than him too so it was probably every high his brain could experience all at once with that victory XD
I'm willing to say that it's statutory rape what the protagonist in the movie does and the only reason she gets away with it is because it's better than what the semi intelligent fish person was going through before
JG JG not stuatory rape, the fishman is aware he just does not know how to convey besides his instincts. I mean gods sake he knew how to speak sign language after a lesson or two.
JG JG yes but thats takes time, in movie it literally took no more than a day or 2 of interaction and he learned egg for gods sake, and by the end he can say a full sentence back.
PolarPhantom hey man don’t be so mad, it’s okay if you want the fantasy of fucking fish men to remain pure, but these are the questions that will be brought up
It would/should be based on physical and mental maturity. If a species lives for 10 days but becomes physically mature on day 4 and mentally mature on day 6 then 6 days old would be the proper age of consent for that species. Or if you go by US standards then day 5 would be the age of consent.
I'm pretty sure the age of consent we put on sex exists to try to prevent immature teenagers from making bad decisions and getting pregnant at 15. Provided that a fish-person is considered sufficiently mature by its own people, I imagine any problems would be irrelevant.
Chris Chen The author specifically worded it as “imprint” which isn’t a sex thing AND the main character is furious toward the werewolf guy bc she had the same thought that everyone outside of twilight thinks, and it’s specifically explained in the book that it isn’t like that.
Jay No I know the kid wasn't Jacob's it was Bella's, I just meant that that was the TYPE of imprint that happened, not like a mating one. It was a connection that was just a guardian for life type of connection. I admit that the familial example I made was a weak one, but it was the closest example I could think of.
idk man most "fantasy crap" sounds pretty awesome to me when you break it down to its base components. And the ones that dont tend to do better when they dont take themselves that seriously. "A woman falls in love with the creature from the black lagoon and everyone but one dude is okay with it" sounds like a Robot Chicken sketch lol. But hey thats just my 2 cents. And im sure its well done enough to at least win over the artsy people so it is what it is.
EbonMaster actually when you say "everyone is ok with it" it ruins the truth when its actually. "Her lesser treated friends and a russian spy want to help and everyone else would see her as a freak for doing such" and I mean my favorite part was when the creature did something pretty wicked. And in the end while it does seem cheesey, del toro can do amazing with cheesey
So, question about this "serious" conversation. If I were to meet someone, and I offered them a cupcake, and they said yes, does that mean that they are necessarily at a dog's level of intelligence. Because that seems to be Woolie's whole fucking argument.
pat loved making that girl cry. his number was so big that day
Inz0mbiac had the buffs going and everything
she got debuffed.
Anyone got the quote? I couldn't find it.
Bass to mouth
never go ass to trout.
Grayheart
Maybe this is why my relationships always flaunder.
Grayheart We've completed TH-cam now. This comment is the greatest thing that humanity has writ.
What I'm saying is, I fucking love this goddamn comment.
Well. I came to make fish jokes, but It seems you've won already.
cloacalingus
Plague taking notes.
in bold, underlined he's written, "MAKE THEM YOUNGER."
Pfffft...Please, he wrote the book.
[Furious Scribbling]
It's Plague, not Shadman.
Plague writing his Congressman.
Something tells me that Jotaro would really like this movie.
Scorpio The Scorpion Dolphins are mammals though...
Sailor Senshi Dark Sun
I was focusing more on the marine biology aspect of the situation.
Jotaro ain't picky. He'd hump a starfish.
We now live in an age where grown men openly discuss in-depth the moral implications of consensual(?) sex with fictional sentient amphibian men/women.
Delicious.
Grown men? Where?
Edward 'Ramasama' Desiderio it's a golden age.
Coy 15:24 right here, the big man himself
I discuss the possibility of dating a mature Tsuyu Asui on a daily basis....😘 🐸
+Cosmicgoatee No ambiguity there, she's 100% human mentally. Just a little quirky.
So Del Toro really enjoyed Breath of the Wild huh?
Skullnaught insert mipha bodypillow in his hands
"Hubba hubba."
Guillermo would have a Sidon body pillow and you know it
Skullnaught
Well, Hellboy Golden Army had a humanoid elf trying to get with a fishman, so this shit goes deep and has lasted a long time.
The tiny Zora are like 50 years old, its totes fine.
Funny you should mention Dolphins, because there is precedent there. There have been cases of female researchers being courted and then copulating with Dolphins. After the researcher was arrested for beastiality, the dolphin got super depressed and committed suicide from the loneliness.
grape-kun did nothing wrong
I need to see those articles.
This can't be real.
I need sources - WAIT NO DON'T I DON'T NEED TO SEE THAT
he hasn't seen the 3 TB of dolphin porn
step it up dude
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Howe_Lovatt
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_suicide
nypost.com/2014/06/10/the-dolphin-that-fell-in-love-with-a-human/amp/
allthatsinteresting.com/margaret-howe-lovatt
amp.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/08/the-dolphin-who-loved-me
So apparently Dolphins can commit suicide just by deciding to not breath and suffocating themselves to death
I soooo want to live in a world where I get to be the racist alien dad
I never thought you guys would ever top the debate about ghosts. But here you are, talking about the potential moral implications of having carnal relations with aliens, fish people, and other fantasy species. Amazing.
This entire discussion can be answered with the Harkness Test
mardio121 Amen brother. Amen.
That's the one that judges what level of sentience a species has right?
@@Samm815 No, just wether its morally sound to fuck it.
I was just about to comment this.
I'm glad we're finally getting to the important questions on this show
Anyone remember that couple in BotW with that hylian dude and the zora girl who's technically an adult but still looks like a toddler
U. Flame yep :) and the reason she did not change is because she is a late bloomer, she is actually suppose to get a hormonal like change of apperance and height but it did not kick in yet :).
U. Flame legal loli's
Aaaaaaah right that creepy as shit sidequest. Gotta appeal to the loli fanbase I guess, because I can't think of any other reason as to why they would even bother.
I love how random and off-tangent their conversations always ended up going to.
So yeah, Android 21 is technically only 10 years old. So, that's a thing.
That's where it always gets into this weird grey area, the same one Dizzy from Guilty Gear is in. If a character has technically only been alive for 5 or 10 years, but either quickly reached or was created with the body and mind of an adult, is it still bad?
HillelTaco
Hold on, let me take a look at Nekopara real quick.
Uh huh. Uh huh. Alright. Ahh, I see...
The answer is no. No it is not.
Andriod 21 and Dizzy are literally the same character.
Andriod just had her kid a lifetime ago, and we don't interact with her until she has 9 or so years of probably being a fully functional Kirby with sex appeal, while Dizzy shows up at 3 years old and has an egg kid later, and only at Xrd is she 8 years old.
There's also status stuff, and she has wing systems.
I stole this from a commenter on a Rooster Teeth Animated Adventure episode.
"The Shape of Water, AKA, Grinding Nemo."
Woolie, you underestimate how thirsty women can be.
I've been on Tumblr.
I have seen the shipping.
It is real.
more than 50% of furry porn with backer$ is created by *female* artists ... shape of water didn't create this market
You know he was strangely attractive....for a fishman.
So he's been told... *begins slurping soup loudly*
Looked up the Stalk from Saga....
I would.
wertyio37 Get in line
Hell yea
Looked it up to, and yea I'd tap that
Edit: seen some different pictures and I think I'm gonna back down from my statement
Sailor Senshi Dark Sun
WOW, that was a lot worse than I was expecting.
10/10 would smash.
Your honor I swear that fish said it was 18
y'know what's even more fucked up about the Twilight imprinting thing? it's implied that Jacob imprinted on THE EGG, and that's why he was in love with Bella. which means that that author doesn't understand how relationships OR the reproductive cycle work.
What…?
How…?
Fish are friends, not food.
geardog24 Fish are friends, not fuckbuddies
Chuckles Helicopter Wigwam Jones Some would disagree.
geardog24 Well I'm not allowed to eat them so I whold agree, I guess
Friends with benefits.
But Mipha
1:27 Chris Benoit joke I can't think of anything.
still can get over Chris Benoit infamous family finsher.
I mean neither did he with the CTE and all
Free Willy now has a new meaning.
Name Goes Here Free Woolie
1:23 pat furrism was always around at that time, nobody just wanted to admit it.
Maybe her sassy friend is a REALLY devoted Rikuo fan...?
In the 60's?
...yes. That's the magic of cinema...
A good alternate episode title:
The Gang Debates the Consent Ethics of Fucking Questionably Sentient Monsters
Shape of Water, the Lovecraft movie Del Torro truly wanted to make all along.
Just a quick note, Aragorn lives that long and was that old because he was a numenorean. Not human
So he was a bible man surrounded by regular modern assholes??? Thats awesome
Yeah, Tolkien was big into new generations being shittier and weaker than old generations. He eventually died after another century or two.
This got me into the SAGA comic thanks
Something neither Woolie nor Matt mentioned that I was expecting them to address was: Is Cthulhu involved in any of this? Because fish fucking is right up his alley
You know what? No. Just...no. The line must be drawn HERE! This far, no farther!
I haven't died to the podcast this hard in a while
16:00 Pat likes to bully women
CyberNinjaZero it makes him feel very strong.
Pat is kind of a disgusting person in how incredibly petty he is. I’m sure he knows this.
Carlos Hernandez He's just being a VN protagonist Baka
This is the same person who says his cat "screams" all the time, emphasises *his. Every. Word* from time to time, and overall speaks in extremes (be on the lookout for every time he says something is "the worst") so yeah, I'm down to believe he's exaggerating if only just a smidge.
Im sure Thicc Dory already exists.
Pat brings up the second dream, I love it
FUCKING THE BASS RAW!
This topic is way more interesting than I'd thought it would be.
The Shape of Water makes me think Twilight starring the Creature from the Black Lagoon.
I think the greatest moment in Pats life wasn't getting married or having a son, it was making that woman so upset about the Twilight Wolf X baby thing and making her running away crying, she was probably taller than him too so it was probably every high his brain could experience all at once with that victory XD
"What if it was like Dory with, like, a big fat ass on it?"
- Patrick Boivin, 2018
17:15 You can see the mischief in his eyes
I'm willing to say that it's statutory rape what the protagonist in the movie does and the only reason she gets away with it is because it's better than what the semi intelligent fish person was going through before
JG JG I'm sure there would have been more outrage if the fish was female and the protagonist was male
JG JG not stuatory rape, the fishman is aware he just does not know how to convey besides his instincts. I mean gods sake he knew how to speak sign language after a lesson or two.
JG JG yes but thats takes time, in movie it literally took no more than a day or 2 of interaction and he learned egg for gods sake, and by the end he can say a full sentence back.
He clearly has intelligence. They can sign. THEY CAN COMMUNICATE.
He can give consent.
Fuck. Off.
PolarPhantom hey man don’t be so mad, it’s okay if you want the fantasy of fucking fish men to remain pure, but these are the questions that will be brought up
God I love fishsticks
Easy Kanye
I *just* finished listening to the podcast
The species MUST NOT MIX.
"The Jell-O That Came From Space" by H.P. Lovecraft
Troy mcclure biggest of fan of this movie
Literally fucking deep ones, awesome.
That reboot pin is even sadder now that Woolie is hooked out from the Netflix reboot of Reboot.
The fish man ate a cat!
So do Humans in other places. lol
Not while the cat is still alive though right? Figured they would want to skin and cook it.
John Smith Ever heard of China?
Yeah because fishmen know what cooking is. Raw and fresh would certainly be the norm for such a creature.
Eating all kinds of 🅱️ussy
I’m sorry, Sean. :(
"On-the-books Fish-Fuck Rules"
Pat is starting to look like ginger Kratos. I always knew he was secretly a fan.
What if the highly intelligent being is only fertile for the first couple of weeks? Would that be fine?
Eating caviar would be more like swallowing for them.
"What is the gift?"
CRAZY TRADE IN DAYS AT YOUR LOCAL HONDA DEALERS!!!
sometimes TH-cam you know how to do ads so god damn well.
WAIT A MINUTE. This isn't a super best friendcast that's LIVE!
Best part of this podcast. I don't know about you, but you know Abe from Hellboy? I'd make out with him.
Same guys plays both strangely attractive fish men.
In the podcast this was from they mentioned creepy puppet movies. I would like to recommend Meet the feebles.
CURIOUSLY attractive!!!! How did they miss that darkstalkers animated series reference?
Get in that tartar sauce, my son!
This conversation makes furry bronies seem like moderates.
7:17 In this situation, we'd probably be the ones showing up
Fish eat fish, ask the fishman from Kekkai Sensen lol
RayShadow278 I love that guy!
If it has a hole it can join the harem.
3:52 unfortunately that whole koko thing was a massive lie
It would/should be based on physical and mental maturity. If a species lives for 10 days but becomes physically mature on day 4 and mentally mature on day 6 then 6 days old would be the proper age of consent for that species. Or if you go by US standards then day 5 would be the age of consent.
Dat Bass
Fish are *Cats Food*
Disappointment. EXE On this the case of this movie, cats are fishman food
I'm pretty sure the age of consent we put on sex exists to try to prevent immature teenagers from making bad decisions and getting pregnant at 15. Provided that a fish-person is considered sufficiently mature by its own people, I imagine any problems would be irrelevant.
Living the captain Kirk dream
I'm with Pat on this one, let's just enjoy some wholesome fish fucking.
Was that a Warframe reference Pat?
finally the kyane west story
15:52
This is why pat is my senpai
Pat ,"Is it okay to fuk a dolphin?"-2018
Thats pretty lit
There's a very obvious binary of good and bad people in the film. Sadly, the movie is really hamfisted with its message.
Or should I say... Hamfished?
Wouldn't it be fishfisted? Or was that just her? Heeyyooo!
Dave N more like fishdicked. And while a bit hamfisted.....i enjoyed it.
Captain Harkness Test, look it up.
Came here from Xenoflux Raiden’s video (totally not advertising him)
I mean it's p funny but "slut" just means 'finished' or 'end'
And a shit ton of movies end with that. What's the deal with Finding Dory?
9:41
I Disagree after seeing overlord and entoma I think there are allot of pepole who would love to fuck a bug
If the chromosome count doesnt match you cant do it. Start there...
Rob Scott luckily it matches since plot twists.
So down syndrome and autistic people cant have sex with humans?
And the debate begins...
Austin Bedwell let the debate begin
It's true, european consumer protection laws require dildos to be labelled for chromosome-count.
May is legal 😤
I fell a sleep when Woohile started to go all bible lover
I have no idea what they are even talking about.
Should i care about Twilight spoilers?... HELL NAW!!
SPOILERS SORTA
Doesnt the ending of the film and the events that we are left with, justfiy the fishfucking?
Gerudo s can get it
I love you meat butterfly waifu
In fairness to Twilight regarding the baby thing, it wasn't about sex or romance toward the baby, it was more like a guardian relationship thing.
The author probably should've worded it better. It would've still have been awkward, but not nearly as troubling as what we got.
Chris Chen The author specifically worded it as “imprint” which isn’t a sex thing AND the main character is furious toward the werewolf guy bc she had the same thought that everyone outside of twilight thinks, and it’s specifically explained in the book that it isn’t like that.
Jay Imprinting is not a sex thing. A child imprints on their mother, or father, etc. That's what it was more like, not a mate.
Jay No I know the kid wasn't Jacob's it was Bella's, I just meant that that was the TYPE of imprint that happened, not like a mating one. It was a connection that was just a guardian for life type of connection. I admit that the familial example I made was a weak one, but it was the closest example I could think of.
Babies imprint onto parents/whoever is around. Not the other way around. Twilight has it backwards.
Honestly the movie sounds kinda dumb and everything Ive heard about it makes it sound dumber.
EbonMaster it is not that dumb, it is just fantasy crap, all fantasy stuff sounds dumb when told.
EbonMaster and every movie we had was stopped after called dumb we would not have a bunch of good movies.
idk man most "fantasy crap" sounds pretty awesome to me when you break it down to its base components. And the ones that dont tend to do better when they dont take themselves that seriously. "A woman falls in love with the creature from the black lagoon and everyone but one dude is okay with it" sounds like a Robot Chicken sketch lol. But hey thats just my 2 cents.
And im sure its well done enough to at least win over the artsy people so it is what it is.
Most conversations about that movie revolve around the fish-fucking, so you may be getting a slanted impression of it.
EbonMaster actually when you say "everyone is ok with it" it ruins the truth when its actually.
"Her lesser treated friends and a russian spy want to help and everyone else would see her as a freak for doing such" and I mean my favorite part was when the creature did something pretty wicked. And in the end while it does seem cheesey, del toro can do amazing with cheesey
So, question about this "serious" conversation. If I were to meet someone, and I offered them a cupcake, and they said yes, does that mean that they are necessarily at a dog's level of intelligence. Because that seems to be Woolie's whole fucking argument.
No it doesnt and no it isnt
No. Shape of water was dumb. Stop lying. Lol
Youre a tasteless buffoon.