It Gets Better - John Corvino
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2024
- John Corvino tells his own coming-out story and explains why he does the work that he does as The Gay Moralist.
Dr. John Corvino, also known as the "Gay Moralist," is a writer, speaker, and philosophy professor at Wayne State University in Detroit. He is the author of What's Wrong with Homosexuality? and the co-author (with Maggie Gallagher) of Debating Same-Sex Marriage, both from Oxford University Press.
Find the book here: amzn.to/ZuIF2A.
Video by Chase Whiteside. Read more at JohnCorvino.com.
This guy actually convinced me to be an LGBT supporter.
my gayness convinced me
How
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I think that you are doing important work, John. I love that when friends, or more often, the friends of my kids or my grandkids, want to understand why I insist that there is nothing wrong or weird or unnatural or strange about being gay or lesbian (even though I am a very heterosexual grandma) I can send them to you. You explain it all calmly, rationally, and at times wisely--and with humor, which breaks down barriers to understanding. You are a great resource.
P.S. Your husband is very cute.
it's really comforting to hear just how much better it gets. i'm 17 and just came out as gay in september. i'm an atheist at a catholic school where it is hard for me to express myself, but my friends and family are generally accepting. people like you, john, really inspire me and reassure me that my feelings are normal. i'm hoping to do some lgbt activism myself when i leave school.
Hi I’m 18, from a catholic family as well, and also gay, I was wondering where you are now?
Why atheist?
I just wanted to thank you. My brother came out about 12 years ago and even though I love and accept him(we've always been close) you have helped me understand who he is and what he's come through even when I didn't know I was lacking that understanding. You've helped me see what he instinctively hides. I now know my brother better because of you. Once again, thank you.
'...of course, coming out is an ongoing process...'
Too few really understand this. Thanks for addressing it.
I've been a gay activist for most of my adult life, coming out at 26 and "retiring" at about 72, mostly because taking care of my own health took precedence. I'd love to sit down over coffee and chat with you...it would be an honor. Thank you for your presentations in support of LGBTQ+ people.
I came across one of your videos on a Facebook post a friend had posted. I watched many of your videos immediately after viewing the first one. I was very intrigued by your logic in reference to scripture. I was raised as a preacher's kid and struggled to maintain my conservative upbringing while completing my college career. It has taken me years to create new thought patterns that reflected the ideas I learned in school and even now I struggle because Christianity is so ingrained into my thought processes. Don't get me wrong -- I do not hate Christians now by any means, but I no longer believe everything that I was taught. I was raised as the minister's daughter. You say you don't like debating with a religious leader -- haha try debating with your religious leader father or even just disagreeing with him! It's simple... I just don't discuss religion or politics with him anymore. I realize the main goal for this video is to give peace to those who are in difficult situations with their orientation and being open about it to loved ones etc. However, I wanted to let you know that though I am straight and don't have that same difficulty, I am really glad I learned about you and watched your videos because the next time I start to feel like something is wrong with me or that I'm crazy because I don't believe what my family does... I will think of what I've learned from you and find peace in that. Thank you.
No, please come back to Christ I’ve been through similar things I am also gay and my dad is a pastor I had left Christian but I came back after realizing what Christ did for me and died for our sins Jesus loves you and forget these judgmental homophobic Christians remember they aren’t God, well I will not force you but I just want you to think about it, God really has changed my life and is changing it I use to be suicidal now I am joyful
Wishing you all the best, Benjamin!
The vast majority of males are straight. Nature designed them this way so procreation takes place. How come no HETEROSEXUAL men allow someone to penetrate their anuses with a big, hard, swollen, ram rod phallus up their anuses? Only bisexual men, transgenders, transsexuals, and gay men have anal sex, annulingus, AND felatio oral penetration?
Heterosexual males do not want to suck penises in their mouth or get rammed andctodded with a big hard one up the butt hole.
The purpose of the digestive system is NUTRITION and EXPEL FECAL WASTES. Sperm mixed with feces can not make a baby. Sticking your penis in the anus is unnatural. The majority of people do not insert their penises into a sesspool of filthy bacteria and fecal wastes. Anal sex causes fissures, trauma, bleeding, tears, perianal abscesses, fecal incontinence, loss of anal sphincter tone, annulingus HPV of mouth, oral cancer, throat cancer, STDs of mouth, gay bowel syndrome, AIDS, HIV, anal hemotomas, and much much more. I am a Gastroenterology Doctor. I have seen it all in my practice. Both men and women have digestive systems moron.
Your videos are wonderful. I have done so much “working through the arguments” as you say, often compulsively and out of fear, and am still doing that to some degree. I am still closeted, but am thankfully no longer in the “I acknowledge I had that feeling but I’m just going to stuff it in a box and try not to think about it or question what it might mean” phase. I also ended up leaving religion out of excessive desire to go through and understand exactly why and how it would work, and finding the answers given severely lacking. Anyway... your videos can distill so many of the things I have spent hours going back and forth on and tearing my hair out about and researching super excessively (and I’m sure you have too) into a few minutes of clear explanation. That is a really brilliant tool to have available.
Wait! You mean it _isn't_ about going on cruises and having lots of anonymous sex? Damn!
John, thank you so much for uploading these vids, I strongly relate to your experiences on so many levels that it feels as if we could have lived the same life just two worlds apart. Thing is though that I didn't invest the mental thought to work through these issues I had about god and faith and those kinds of ingrained values you are taught as a kid and always carry with you. I guess to some extent I buried these mental thistles inside me and never could really be at peace with myself and those values to the point that being a non-believer was very much i suppose like being a recovering alcoholic, I had to remind myself constantly that I don't believe in these things, and would often find myself saying a prayer or muttering something against my better judgement. However, watching your vids is a great and soothing relief that no amount of psychiatry or psychology could provide as they speak directly to these ingrained beliefs, your reason articulates why I am so keen on thinking of you as the gay 'apostle' :-) I feel so much more at peace with myself and confident with my choices. Thank you again!
Thank you so much for this series John. Im in my 30s and trying to to work through this. This video series has really had an impact on me.
It's so encouraging and refreshing to hear these issues being talked about using basic logic. I came out as bisexual about two months ago and ever since then I have been trying my hardest to get the people I speak with to use logic and objectivity and to hear me out in the arguments I make using those same principles. Sadly, I am still largely ignored and have essentially become a local heretic and black sheep -.-
Yes, this is a grounded, moving, helpful video. You'll find the same heartfelt, logical approach in all of Mr. Corvino's TH-cam videos. (Although, despite Jon's efforts, skip the debate with Maggie Gallagher; you'll just tear your hair out listening to her.) And, yes, each one ends with a little humor sketch. Mr. Corvino's voice is priceless, and yet his book, "What's Wrong with Homosexuality?" is under $10 on Amazon/Kindle, for example. Can we clone this guy????
I was raised Catholic and it was being gay, that led me to the conclusion that religion is false. I never really bought into believing in magic and omnipotent creatures to start with, I was fascinated by the rituals. I had always heard, from Priest, that homosexuality was a choice. After a strong and devoted attempt to make myself attracted to women, my logical brain took over and came to the only conclusion that was left. They Lied. If they lied about that, why believe anything they say?
"..and not just kids - adults out there..."
Yep. Thanks, John. Great video.
When I "came out" my family's response was mixed. However, the underlining reaction was "well it's about time". O they knew they where just waiting for me to come to terms with it all. 4 yrs later, and I'm still working on getting comfortable in my own skin.
Thank you John. May Jesus bless you. I was a little disappointed you left the church though. There is nothing wrong with being gay and Christian too. I am..
+Lala Booda There are beliefs contradicting. Christians conception of homosexual activities are classified as immoral.
If all behaviours classified as 'immoral' by Christians, were followed, there wouldn't be anyone left. The Church says, but it does not do. Just one example, it sidelines the rule of no sex before marriage for straights because it is not 'convenient' to focus on this.
My point is, God made you and I gay, because He wants it that way. If He didn't, we would both be straight.
I remain in the Church because although I don't always agree on how it is run, I do believe in Jesus. And I believe the Church belongs to Him. I go because of His invitation not the people who run it.
Hi D, Thanks for you Christmas wishes. I know Matthew 19, Jesus also says in Matthew 19, ' For there are eunuchs who were born that way' referring to those to which marriage with a woman is not for them. It makes me wonder what a 'Eunuch' is in this context because one can NOT be born a Eunuch. A mishap in translation for meaning 'gay' perhaps? I don't know, but the context fits.
Homosexuality and Hetrosexuality are indeed outside of freewill, whether we act upon it isn't - but I am still gay because I am attracted to men only.
I understand your point about being gay and conflict with Christianity, but a whole bunch of other things relating to hetrosexual lifestyles is too. The reason these are not highlighted is due to man's freewill in promoting one over the other. Pointing at others but not pointing at oneself.
Exactly. But even so people choose which of their beliefs to accentuate, it doesn't change the fundamentals of Christianity. And one of its fundamentals is the belief of marriage as only for heterosexual couple. People may fail to perfectly perform their duty according to their religion but it doesn't in any way remove the sets of fundamentals vital to the religion itself.
Hi D,
Hope you are well.
I agree with you about Christianity, those are some of its fundamental principles, however, after reading the Gospels; Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, I don't believe those principles reflect Jesus's teaching. Also, Matthew 19 does not oppose homosexuality, it just refers to marriage.
The Church has never been beyond error in interpreting scripture.
The apostle Peter, to whom Jesus said 'on this rock I will build my church' made some errors and was reprimanded each time by Jesus. 'Get behind me satan' He once said to him. He also denied Jesus three times. Nevertheless, through his faith in believing Jesus is the Son of God, was giving the honour to build Jesus's Church.
I guess one could suggest I refer to myself as 'follower of Jesus' instead of a Christian, but it would not seem right to surrender to error.
"And then we all sit down and eat" had me howling.
Your playout bit is an actual comment my partner has thrown at me (I hate bars and clubbing). Great It Gets Better video, thanks!
It looks like someone has mistaken this vid for one of Mr. Corvino's Biblical commentary videos. Even so, those who accuse this person of "twisting" scripture may be unable to see their own Biblical interpretations and our Lord's will as anything BUT one and the same. As a result, they could well be shutting out even what our Lord Himself is telling them.
With the exception of the gayness i myself went through the exact same thing. Devout Catholic, very well read and taught in the faith and even the logic behind it. I was and am very much into philosophy and reasons for things being the way they are.
Like you said for yourself, i eventually left my faith for atheism because of where my sense of reason combined with my intellectual honesty lead me. I could no longer believe because the reasoning behind much of it just wasn't reasonable, including what you said regarding Aquinas saying all infertile sex is "unnatural".
I guess the good news is that, while i never had ill will for gay people, now i can completely be on their side of this issue, and i don't have to worry about all the pseudo morality getting in the way, but at the same time, i will always have in me a sense of respect and sympathy, as well as clarity towards the viewpoint i used to hold, something i don't think many in the LGBT sector are willing to have.
John, I'm about to re-share this on Facebook, but just wanted to let you know that this is a great short discussion. And incorporating Mark in the lil vignette at the last...OMG, LOL, that was priceless. And Mark is indeed such a handsome cutie! You're both just adorable. Best wishes always... (And keep up the good work...! ;-) )
It's kind of funny how similar our coming out experiences were. I also thought of myself as straight with gay feelings for a long time, throughout 90% of my jr. high/middle school experience. I even did exactly what you said in your Bisexuality/Transgender video, about adopting the bisexual label to "dip my feet in the water" so to speak (something which I really regret now as of how it affects the bisexual community). Once I finally came to terms with my own sexuality and realized that I was definitely NOT straight, I told a few close friends, and after a week or so, I told my parents, who reacted in a similar way, and then told me not to tell my grandparents or my brother. lol Like it's just really funny how we essentially had the exact same experience of coming out. Mine just happened a bit earlier in my life (I came out my freshman year of high school.)
POV is great ... Hopes its get better... Thank u for ur work
I'm always watching your videos every time I got confused with something. thank you John.
I wish I had seen this when the video was released lol.
I'm a Catholic. Yet I have friends with atheists. I sopport samesex equality. I'm also a young philosopher. I might not be well educated about philosophy or have a Phd.People might say this doesn't bond. I do know understanding of morality. Philosophy isn't just a study or life Its living life. So I tie philosophy to the way I live life but I use religion to have faith in life. I live humble and never show pride. My point is that you can be a philosopher while being religious.
While I admire John for all he says and the professional and yet very clear way he expresses it I must confess I am IN LOVE with that wood panalled office/study/den/man cave!!! Any time he wants to hand it down to me I'll gladly ACCEPT!!!
It took me 10 years to finally come out to myself as gay (I'm 22). Had actually never really had a strong emotional feeling towards man however (mostly sexual) but had grown emotionally attached to 2 girls in particular when I was 15-17 (yet still could only think about sexual relation with other man). It confused the hell out of me, thinking it might just be a phase or something like that. Finally got around to admit to myself I'm gay now (not interested in woman at all, so not I'm not bi).
For the last 10 years I identified as a bisexual women because I thought I liked men, that was until the age of 17-18 I noticed women are on my radar a lot but that I might also be aromantic and I’m not sure if I’m into relationships at all or if I’m just a lesbian but I know that I also have to
I was so afraid to come out as a lesbian to my mom but she looked at me and told me everything was going to be oki and she’s like almost agonistic Christian but also very accepting
I’m still hoping it gets better one day even at 26.
I assume he still lives in Detroit in the Sherwood Forest neighborhood; that looks like the library in a Sherwood Forest home. Google "Sherwood Forest John Corvino" and you'll see him in a video about the neighborhood. If I were ever to move back to Detroit, its one of the areas I'd want to live.
I wish the world had more of you especially here in Africa thank you so much, you have no idea what great work you do
See, it did get better, now drink your tea
God bless you John
Love the ending
God I wish this guy taught at my college
Your husband/partner is a cutie! You two make a great couple! :D
You are obviously highly intelligent. You have a husband whom I’m sure is just as intelligent. If you have a relationship that is as wonderful as I think where you can grow together, you are the luckiest guy in this world.
How do you differentiate the voice of God from your intuition
Aren't they the same?
I also wonder.
Great storyteller!
I had grown up somewhat of the same way, but my parents are NOT supportive at all.
Ha ha! You've got a crush on Tony!!
@Benjamin Rome Clarke lol you're not alone my friend! Although I'm not in a catholic school, thank God ;) lol
I loved your video as usual. There are two words I'd use to describe you: Brain and Beauty :)
thanks John!! :D
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Why aren’t you a believer?
I'm that kind of person.
But he wouldn't know if he's straight with gay feelings or gay because it's a spectrum
i jut have a question. you don't believe God exist?, or yo don't believe he or she( i am not sure :)) would do something for you or loves you or what?
because i feel deep in my hearth that when we don't believe in God there is something about love that we lost.
i am sorry if you don't understand what i mean english is not my mother tongue. and this question does not have anything to do with your sexuality. thank .you
kisses.
+isis shirakin There is something lost when people don't believe in God. That is called "faith" (or belief on the concept of God). That doesn't make Atheist somewhat lower than of their theist neighbors or immoral compare to believers. That doesn't mean they won't know how to love anymore or perform and appreciate certain virtues. It simply means they don't believe in such idea (or perhaps, reality).
I know but somehow I still feel that there is something... but I am not judging or something like that I dont have a religion so... but I still belive in God
No, it's fine to call yourself a Christian. There's nothing wrong with that. ^_^
It gets better..... the Sex ? .. I should hope so.. It's pretty bad now
Omg Tony is straight??? 🤕