Thanks for sharing Sam, I find it amazing folks drop big coin without testing their options. Cab space, seat suspension, metal vs plastic.... with TH-cam and forums you can get a ton of information as I’m sure you did prior to this event but actually testing in those real life conditions are very valuable. Thanks again👍👍👍
Takeuchi hands down! I’ve got 7000 hours on my TL250 with no issues. Just ordered a Takeuchi TB260 excavator as well. Love the cabs on them, that’s all I’ve ran in my excavation business
Elite Earthworks LLC good info that’s an impressive amount of hours in that rig! Definitely liked running the tl12 cab was comfy and good vis. Might actually run the Asv tomorrow see what all the hype is about
I own and operate a ASV RT120F. 450hrs since October. Honestly its a beast. The ride alone is worth the purchase if you are running it yourself as an owner. If you are putting an operator in it than the premium might not be worth it for you. I run a Diamond disc mulcher and their brush cutter. Owned a 333G previously. The RT120F is twice the machine as the 333G. 4Landssake.
Phillip Schwarz I ran one yesterday. It has power but didn’t seem to have a crap ton over the tak. Hard for me to get used to the ride after running in a dedicated steel track machine.
Tak e oo chi. Love how nobody says it anywhere close to right. By the way, I'd take the Takeuchi all day. Have an older tl130 that does anything and everything I need it to.
Hi Sam! I run TL12V2 no issues ever. Global Machinery Great Service and Jim Cunningham is fantastic.Highly recommend both of them. Little less power than ASV but makes up in Comfort and maintains type stuff, local service!
@@VBELTandSON Ha..thats hilarious. Yeah I'm near North San Juan. Been here all my life. Kerrigan Forestry is my business, but I'm just word of mouth. I worked for Robinson and Soper Wheeler for many years as a faller but have been solo for a while now mostly doing land maintenence and odd logging jobs. First name is Sean by the way. Do you have a local business?
I just bought one of these for my farm. I was all set to buy the ASV 135T based on what I’d seen on Upstate Brush Control’s channel of the 120. The 135T is probably a great mulcher but lacks in other areas, plus there’s no dealer in my state. I ended up buying the CAT 299D3 XE and an FAE head. The CAT is better sealed and the specs beyond mulching are better. I’ve since seen someone running a Diamond head that processes debris into much finer material which I prefer. The FAE head can make a huge mess just like all others. I was impressed by Diamonds innovation and I bet their mulchers are less expensive. I’m running the FAE because I just bought it but if I buy one again I think I’ll go Diamond.
Takeuchi is a great machine, the asv undercarriage is about 12-15K to replace everything including the bogies and all, instead of just tracks and sprockets like the Takeuchi, stumps will tear those bogies to hell
Always enjoy you vids and reviews I personally have run the pt175 and the 300 here in Tennessee for someone and enjoy both,been think of getting a smaller machine for myself to do smaller jobs and go out on my own,keep up the great vids and hard work
I don't use these things full time. I did rent a Takeuchi for a month and used it 8 to 10 hours a day 6 days a week. It ran like a dream and I was pushing it hard. I would also give it points for a rental place having it as their standard because uptime is a major deal for them and they know people are going to beat the crap out of the equipment.
Tha Takeuchi is the best all round machine ,I love how the door on the Takeuchi you could work with the door open that’s big for me and iv ckeck Ed out their factory and your buying quality ,put some big bars on the back and you got a beast ,easy choice for me
Asv cab is rated for a tree to fall on it thats why the cab is like that the other junk would kill you I've ran asv any day I'd get one the tracks are fine and those hydraulic lines down by the undercarriage has never been punctured on any model
The ASV undercarriage works best in sandy type material. If used in rocky or sharp material it gets cut very easily. The rollers also have rubber surfaces and if rocks get wedges against them it will chew them up. In the winter time in any type of mud forget about running them, they will freeze and the rollers will not move. The Takeuchi is hard on the body with the rough ride but they are built like tanks and are hard to beat.
B&K Excavating LLC try driving the prime tech or lamtrac and get in the tl12 🙌🏻 way smooth. All in all I’m actually very happy with the Takeuchi. Prefer it hands down over the asv
I have two TL230’s right now, looking to add a TL12R2 next year. Need a big skid loader to do the jobs that are too big for my smaller Takeuchi’s but too small for the Cat 953’s.
Funny thing is ASV RT series opted for the older cat cabs instead. I agree the older ASV were better in chassis protection. I wonder who at ASV thought that was a good idea although i think the rear end redesign was done for better engine servicing. If you want checkout a used PT100 forestry edition it has everything minus the cummins.
My JCB 250t has no DEF. It's nice, but it is only 75hp 33gpm at 3300 psi. But I like it, extremely strong for a single arm, and so much room it's really ridiculous. I've ran the tl8s they are nice machines!
you do have a good point, the plastic/fiberglass body panels don't really scream durable forestry machine compared to the takeuchi's solid metal, though the suspension on the track may make up for the seat not having the floating design you talked about, granted I wonder if you could add that when you ordered one
I helped my father in law level dirt he had hauled into his driveway. He rented a Cat track skid steer with joystick controls. After years of owning and running a lever control skid steer I was constantly behind trying to turn in reverse. I would want to twist counter clockwise in reverse but would push right first and of course the machine wold pivot clockwise so when I pulled back I was facing the wrong way. The Cat cab was very roomy.
Careful with that ASV dissn. I’m a big fan of Jon, his crew and equipment at Upstate Brush Control. They seem to run an impressive shop. Honestly tho .... good video. I enjoyed it. 👍🏽
Asv cooling, hydraulic hp, ride, Cummins, flow, pressure, torque etc are all things one must consider. Its has all that over and above Tak and I like Tak.
The TL12 is the way to go for grading or pushing. I’ve had to use it for pushin base rock and for grading dirt and absolutely love it. I don’t know about many other skids as I’ve only had my hands on the TL series(8, 10, and the 12) and a few older CATs, but the two speed transmission the Takeuchi has is amazing.
I'd take the tak over an asv in a heartbeat. That track system is too fancy for my liking and the tak looks like it's built like a tank compared to the asv.
ASV was designed for forestry mulching only really. It is not good for dirt or rock work tracks tear easy and with the taco hoochie you cannot go wrong I absolutely love that machine a lot of power if you get the extra hydraulic coolant package on it might not need it on the new ones but the older ones you did but it would turn that head no problem and a great universal machine
James Harrell taco hoochie. Haha that’s my dads favorite joke when I talk about these rigs lol definitely enjoyed driving the tl12. Comfy and seemed to handle that head without much trouble. Asv seems to be just mulcher Intended. No side dirtjob with it. Leads me to want the tl12 more
@@VBELTandSON the bit of a difference between the TL12 and the TL12V2 , the TL12 had no dpf , same flow just 500psi less pressure , the TL12V2 has a bit bigger cab , longer tracks frame / tracks but it has DPF.
The guys on here talking about the, "excessive" maintenance cost of the ASV undercarriage are misinformed. The newer ASV undercarriages are much cheaper to maintain. I priced a roller on a newer ASV RT-120F and the cost was $70-$80. I priced a roller on a Bobcat T870 and the cost was over $300. Crazy thing is they both, 'fail' the same way, when the bearing goes bad. Sure, ASV rollers can show chunking and aren't pretty when they do. Still, they don’t have to be replaced unless the bearings are shot or there is 30% or less rubber remaining on the roller. Plus, the ASV doesn't de-track. I live in a rock market and hill country and I'm still pro-ASV. The main function of the ASV poly, "rubber" rollers is to reduce friction in the system, reduce undercarriage weight, disburse the machine weight evenly along the track, and to reduce vibration or feedback from the ground to the operator. A worn looking, chunked ASV roller is still very much doing it’s job unless the bearing is bad. People who understand ASV's system stick with their machines for a reason. Does anyone like throwing good dollars at bad dollars?
I was listening until you started preaching youre smarter than anyone that basically disagrees with you.. I personly thought the asv was an awesome machine. love the idea of a smooth ride but it wasn't my favorite when I drove it. I really enjoyed the tl12 when I drove it. and didn't think it would hang but it surprised me. as for the under carriage. tl12 is similar to my excavator. I don't seen any idlers or rollers going on that anytime soon and it is not a stationary machine
V-BELT and SON - I apologize for posting a comment that made you feel as though I’m trying to preach or come across as smarter than those who have differing opinions. To temper the feeling you got when reading my above post, I made a slight change in my delivery and edited the comment above. Look better? The message is still the same. People are misinformed &/or misrepresent the real maintenance cost of each undercarriage system. Is it fair to say that people who make a living with these machines would agree that real world maintenance & undercarriage costs matter? Different opinions exist and people spend their money wherever they wish. Notwithstanding, people who comment or recite misinformation about maintenance costs from uninformed or misinformed positions.
there ya go thank you brother! and true that. I made a video awhile back that stated if youre telling me something that I may share on here I want facts not rumors. seems to fit here. at the end of the day not anyone machine is perfect. but asv is functional all around. some ppl have good luck some don't
If you are going to possibly use it for grading in the future, it is harder to finish grade with a suspension skid. The machine can lean forward or tilt back slightly as you stop and start. Just something to think about.
I run an ASV120 and a 75 and they hands down will out perform every skid steer in their respective classes. I've ran just about every option of skid steer and Will buy ASV every time.
Love my TL12V2 with the cimaf 180d. The knifes definitely are a great HP compensator. I’ve got 1000hrs on the TL12v2 95% mulching with no issues. You can slow down those tilt functions and jerkyness of the steering with the priority valve. It basically slows the movements by diverting more flow to the head. I’m super please with the machine.
@@VBELTandSON got both machines and run a fae head with carbides , the asv will get around 68-70 degrees hydraulic , engine temp was around 80 degrees , with the takeuchi i have got it to 100 degrees hydraulic and 105 degrees engine temp , for mure mulching the asv will win ... if it lasts
Used them both in the mountains of Montana and Alberta. When you want to get serious the ASV outperforms and is way more reliable than the Takeuchi, safer too.
I ran both before buying one. Didn’t see much of a power gain with the Asv. I bought the Takeuchi. I like everything about it so much more. 250 hours not one issue. Plenty of Asv stories that found big time electrical bugs before 50 hours. Not sure how you get safer both rops fops certified. Asv is cool as hell... at first but if you want to get serious get a dedicated machine. 🤘🏻
I've ran bobcat t190 quite a bit but it was also mostly dirt work, love those machines!! But To small for what you're doing, also ran an asv rt100 with a fecon and carbides, hated it.. I agree with you, visibility is very limited, also had to completely rebuild the track frame and replace the axles...yes it had axles💰💰💰🤦♂️
Both are great machines, the guys around here who run the Takeuchi have to put after market coolers on them because they can't stay cool during the heat of the summer. ASV isn't perfect, but it works great for me, that extra 9 hp is a huge difference in the woods. The torsion suspension will not beat you to death after a long day. After about 1000 hours, the door on the Takeuchi doesn't stay sealed, dust gets in and it sounds like its going to rattle apart.
Any skiddy is a power loss from the normal machines here besides the rayco. But I will admit I had doubt on the Takeuchi but it is a little boss. I can’t get over how small that cab is. Like dang didn’t know it was that small haha. That Takeuchi cab is all comfy loved the space and the seat was money. And I would rather replace weather stripping that undercarriage;) jk haha At the end of the day like you said both solid machines but it may come down to dealer support around here and I already tried to buy Asv off local dealers around here and no call Back from any of them. And these boys txted me and said hey demo Friday come on out
I keep hearing about these “questionable” ASV undercarriages, I have never had an undercarriage failure. Ever. Asv has the only repairable undercarriages the market. I guess it’s easy to complain something you don’t own.
ponchhunt hahaha are you kidding? Only repairable one? Doesn’t even make sense. And it’s not a complaint, it’s a simple concern. Might out last everything else. But I have seen mtl undercarriage failures. Stuff happens but best of luck with your machine amigo🤘🏻
The fiberglass body on the ASV is durable, I don’t have the bottom plate like Upstate and have smacked a few trees and it’s still in one piece. Love my ASV.
After thousands of hours on both the asv is alot faster,more power and rides 3times better a little more maintenance on the tracks but it's worth it on the back and the hoses were a concern for me on the tracks but never and issues on multiple units
own both the Takeuchi tl12v2 and the ASV 120 , the asv can mulch better due to the bit more horsepower , more flow and pressure , it has a better cooling package and no dpf to deal with , the takeuchi has far better quality finish , better visibility , better controls , bigger cab , depends what you are chasing ... mulching the asv will win when it is going ... the tak for ground work , also grab yourself a pair of quality earmuffs with the asv , by the end of the day you will have the biggest headache if you dont
that ear muff factor for the asv is something I don't care for aswell. will be running the skid steer next to a prime tech pt 175 and that rig is a cadilac and very quiet in the cab. the tl12 didn't seem very loud in the cab which was nice.
@@VBELTandSON slashed with the asv today and left my muffs at home , within bout 20 min asked the wife to bring them to site , if you do go the asv , spend a day or two and lift the cab and go through all the wiring and hydraulic lines , check for rubbing / loose and lack of lagging of lines beroe they rub through
@@jdboy9 both bout the same , keep in mind the fiberglass panels on the ASV ,if you get a chance , lift both cabs and have a good look around at how the wiring / hoses are protected or lack of ... if its purely mulching you will put up with the sub-quality that ASV brings only because it mulches better then the Takeuchi
I know one person's comments doesnt mean anything to anyone but ASV tracks are the thing of nightmares, it uses the lugs inside the tract to move it...once you lose a lug go ahead and replace the whole track....track still were very new.....
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Everybody knocks the asv undercarriage , I live 30 minutes from the factor here in Minnesota so I’m bias , but they are easy to work on if you’re a work wise person. And really aren’t that expensive to replace parts . The tak wouldnt make 5 minutes in the area I live in for mulching and the clearance asv has makes a huge difference . As for the fiber glass , they are working on a few things to correct that from what I’m hearing
I spoke with a guy who ran Asv before switching to a Takeuchi and he had tons of issues with the undercarriage. Some ppl have good luck some don’t. And easy to work on it nice but even nicer if you don’t have to work on it over something simple
That is true , I guess I’ve had better luck than some . I do agree with you on visibility , it isn’t very good . What can you tell me about the FAE head ? I’m looking into denis Cimaf and Prinoth and my next mulcher , but FAE seems to be a popular choice for some .
I use the old asv positrack 2810. the tracks are bigger and way wider then these newer copys plenty of visabiltiy. I'd like to try one though and compare .
There's a reason lets dig runs the tl12 he could run any machine he wants but he's a pure bred dirt mover. If your contemplating dirt work on the side, Its not even close tl12 all the way. There track system works well even in the worst mud, simple and self cleans well. I've spent hundreds of hours grading in a tl12 absolutely great machine. And great local dealer support.
Luke Shurtleff yea I know as soon as I bought one I would be wanting to do some dirt work and anything else a skiddy normally does. I know the Asv is a champ for mulching but hate idea of it having limitations in other areas
ASV style undercarriage is defenatly a pain in the ass to replace. Cats version is no better it’s all a pain! The takeuchi, cat ect style is much much better and fast for track replacement! Just my experience
I've mulched with both a Takeuchi TL12 and an ASV RT-120. Neither machine is as good as a true dedicated forestry mulcher for mulching, but they are cheaper and being skid steers, they can do many more duties. That's why people use them for mulching. You have to run both in lots of conditions before you learn how much better the ASV is than the Takeuchi for mulching. The ASV's higher horsepower, its Posi-Track undercarriage, and its 15 in ground clearance will take you places that Takeuchi will never go. When your Takeuchi gets stuck, send in your ASV to pull it out. My experience with ASV tracks are that they hold up fine. The idlers can get chewed up on the edges, but it takes a couple thousand hours before you have to replace them. It's certainly not something big enough to pick the Takeuchi over the ASV for. The roll up door on the Takeuchi is very nice when you're not mulching. I love it then. It's much nicer than the ASV's swing-door for dirt work. But, when you are mulching, the Takeuchi's roll up door is a potential injury/death trap because it does not have an interlock forcing the roll up door to be closed before the mulcher head is activated. Your friends experience is a good example. He could have gotten really hurt. This is not to be taken lightly. It's a huge safety hazard, even for experienced operators who can make a mistake. That one problem alone makes the Takeuchi not a serious contender for mulching. The ASV's cab is a tighter fit than the Takeuchi's but it's perfectly adequate for me, and I'm 6'4" and 230 lb. The visibility out of the ASV is a bit worse, but I have found it to be adequate. Neither one has great visibility. The fiberglass engine compartment swinging doors on the ASV is a bad idea. I'm glad to hear that they are getting that fixed. If they come out with metal doors, I'll buy a pair. I've never damaged the hydraulic lines on the inside of the ASV's tracks, but I never liked that design either. That does seem like a potential problem. And one of the hydraulic connectors was loose there from the factory, and I had to jack up my ASV and tighten it to stop a hydraulic leak. I've had no problems with it since then. Overall, the ASV is much better for forestry work and much better for dirt work in sloppy conditions. The Takeuchi's vertical lift is nicer than the ASV's radial lift for loading tall trucks, but the ASV is a better for pushing piles and digging.
Joe Sternhagen well Coming from our main daily machine we use right now being lamtrac 6125 and prime tech pt175. Going to a small uncomfortable cab isn’t really something I want. I drove an Asv yesterday. The power felt aright. Wasn’t completely taken away with huge power difference between the tak and the Asv. In the end it’s still a skid steer and power isn’t really there on either. But I’d say the tak has way more visibility hands down. Asv still seems to be leading the pack in skiddy market
Joe Sternhagen, you are 100% correct in your assessment. Seems to me that people who complain about the undercarriage took their CAT dealer’s advice and sell them unnecessary parts when not truly understanding the service life of the ASV design. In my experience, and I’m in a ROCK market, the ASV undercarriage COST HALF of what the competitor’s charge. ASV tracks have double the life expectancy and don’t derail! That’s money in the bank, 100%. I know CTL’s like the back of my hand. There is no comparison whatsoever.
Joe Sternhagen couple things u might want to edit in your comment. 1. Ur 6'4 230 lbs. not 130 lbs. 2. Since u made this comment you've had more exposed hose issues under the track, right?
Have you looked at bobcat ive heard a lot of not good things on ASV also hate the door how it opens vs the other skid steer you can work with the door open when moving dirt or working around people love your videos keep it up
Cooper Wilkes thanks man! And idk about bob cat. There was a few at the demo working and they didn’t sound like that had a lot in the tank. That door on the Asv is rough and for sure like the idea of the one opening straight up way better
Cooper Wilkes, I've just received a Bobcat T65 R series, a little smaller than I'm use too, and the 1st Bobcat brand that I have operated for a long time. We have mostly had cats but also have a smaller hsv at the moment. The Bobcat has just reached 50hr service and I'm being asked by the dealer, what do I think. Well, I told him I was experienced enough to be a harsh critic. I've got a list of pros and cons, I can't be dammed listing here, and I'm sure it will grow from here. So here is one from both. I told the dealer I thought it was totally lame, that Clarke Bobcat would even consider making the the back lockable, as a extra, there is a place for the lock, but a lock 8s an option. I'm still blown away about it, and like I said, there are other things that flat out make me wonder, how the mighty Bobcat, forefront runner in the industry, can be so thoughtless. Now a good thing, she pushes like a beast, for its size, I'd say as good or probably better than cat. I was pleasingly surprised.
with you talking about visibility, it makes me wonder if JCB/Volvo version for mulching as those from what I've seen have the best visibility cause of the one boom design
@@leifwilson7053 see I wasn't sure if that was their highest HP model, and I thought I saw a few brands with that design and wasn't sure if one of them went higher end with them now
I just got into the machine side of land clearing. Most of my work is on terrain too steep for a machine so we do it all by hand. I've done all of my contracts in fire prevention for the Feds. I went with the ASV myself. As far as productivity, it was the better of the three in the demo I did. I haven't had issues underneath with those hoses. My only gripe is a Cummins one. When the DEF tank gets to 85% or so, it throws a code for "abnormal rate of fluid level change" for the tank. Idk why they decided that was a good code to throw at a guy. It's as if the good folks at Cummins forgot that people do work outside of an engineering office. As for the interior room... Meh. I could care less. Between the summer heat and the spring/fall rainy seasons I only get a month of nice weather to work in so as long as I'm dry from the rain, snow or heat, I don't care how much space I have.
It's a good thing you don't weigh 350 lbs or more or you would need a winch to get you out of that RT120. If you sent this comparison to the company that made the RT120 they would drop you some $$ as a consultant? Love your youtube videos.
The front swinging door on the ASV is a good enough reason for me not to buy it. I prefer the roll up door on the Takeuchi and Kubota models hands down.
Ya I used the smaller ASV on a wall dig out.. My partner left it parked leaning one way. Well the next day he couldnt get in it, the door was being blocked. I had to drag it out to flat ground and push down on the bucket to open the door.
Actually looking at trading my Lamtrac 6140 for a TL 12 but don’t k ow if my Cimaf 180d is right for that machine. Rotor may have to much mass to recover quickly. Unfortunate the 6140 was brought out before it was fully developed.
Takeuchi is great but the track system sucks. Can you get a system more like ASV for Takeuchi? I've seen them on Cats and other brands. Aftermarket systems
@@VBELTandSON if you work somewhere where they get as worn as the ones I run in the terrain I have to go through it can be horrible. As where I love the track systems on the cats and asv's I've ran. You didnt answere the question I asked but ok. I have seen advertisements in the past for the aftermarket company in the past. I know they make them for cats and bobcats from what I hear and the power company contractor I work for is interested is why I asked. Thanks anyways. Compared to asv and cat the track system sucks. As far as the machine itself it's not bad but I still much rather be in cat or asv. We run a 60" diamond disc mulcher head with all carbides and with the hydrolic flow power pack it doesnt big down much at all. But as far as the terrain we have to work at times it is kinda sluggish moving forward, backwards and turning compared to cat and asv.
@@Jason-gp2fm Cat purchased the rights to put ASV tracks on there 257,277,287,297 skiddys up till 2018 now you can only get that track on the 257's they discontinued it on the other three machines
Pound for pound the John Deere CT3 32 is the machine that will show the other machines How to move dirt . It is a very strong machine for the size You can cut grade easily Add the visibility far surpasses the Competitors don't believe me rent one and you'll see Nothing runs like a Deere.
So.we here in NY State started mulching biz,we are using a case sv 340 with run flat tires and steel grouser tracks with ice cleats with a erskin head.iwe are definitely learning and doing ok and covering the bills! Already we are looking at something bigger ,seems all these skid steer need design engineers that actually use an run a machine .ido you think the pt 175 has the best of all,over all machines you have tried.in that price range.i am seeing you all run track Machines ,and I wonder how they would do in the mud we deal with ! I just feel there would be lots of maintenance problems with the mud .the pt 175 is more of a dozer type track and almost twice the size .an over twice the money of course !
I have a regular cab 2014 ram 3500 cummins and i'm looking to stay under 26k weight as I don't have a cdl yet. What trailer and tl12 with head weight in at? I'm looking at getting a used TL12 after watching you run it its been my top choice.
Love your videos. I'm wanting to get in the mulching business as a side job and a TL12R2 is the machine I'm wanting. Still trying to decide on which head
The rear bumper flat bar on the takeuchi that you pointed out is absolutely useless. if you back into a tree with it your rear door is bent I have a friend with one that was 3 months old and now a bent rear door. In your resent videos you have already added a rear cage to cover your rear door on yours. I own booth and that Cummins is hard to beat. Look what you drive. What's under the hood of your truck.
Was about a year and a half before we had a dent in the back of the machine. I wanted the bumper for more counter weight. It helped for both. And love Cummins. I wanted an asv mainly for that but wasn’t a good enough reason to go with a machine I didn’t like very much after driving one.
@@VBELTandSON so if you saw a dodge and didn't quite like the door, would you go off and buy a different pickup? everything you pointed out is minor. if you take care of your machine and look it over, all those little things don't matter. asv is best.
Hello . . Love all your videos .. please I am a farmer .. and interested in buying one of this machines ..which kind of machine do you suggest one to buy ... I am looking at Cat 299D Rayco and Barko ... Please advise ... Thank you
ASV's claim to fame is keeping the weight low, hence the small cab and fiberglass panels. Not to mention they were the creators of the original tracked loader!
Jay-it3zeOwner operated here. if you’re gonna get into any kind of mulching applications you need high displacement, high hydraulic cooling capacity, high flow hydraulics to turn any of the drum equipment. I run a Terex (asv) PT110F with a loftness G4.
@Jay-it3ze the Kubotas are good, really these days almost all the brands are. I went asv mainly for the extra hydro flow and the ground clearance. Where I’m at (PNW) we are mountainous, rocky, with soft trees like alder but mostly fir, cedar and pine. The asv suspension is made to track like a mountain goat and with the extra clearance I don’t get high centered. What works for you is gonna be best suited on your geography and working environment Machines like Deere are super squat and low which is great for lifting and center of gravity but they get hung up on just about every fkn thing it seems like. I’m not sure bout the Kubotas tho.
Jay-it3ze I will say in my area most of the forestry guys use asv or cat for what it’s worth. I don’t have much experience with cat machines but I hear they do side hill track fairly well. Not sure if that’s why guys like em. Cat parts are like Harley stuff. Super expensive just because of the logo lol
ASV RT120 is a beast ! I have 2 with a FAE mulcher head on it . I team them with my 2 kubota excavator with the rotating log grapple with hideaway chainsaw .
@@VBELTandSON I have a Kubota KX 080-3 and KX 161-3 excavator with rotating log grapple with hide away chainsaw . I tag team them between the 2 ASV RT120 mulcher and my large FAE mulcher
It seems like you're making an unfair comparison by assuming they are equal machines because of the horsepower match up. In reality, the Takeuchi is a heavier class track-loader, 13,190 lbs operating weight to the ASV's 11,265 lbs, nearly a ton heavier. Similar disparity in other spec's: tipping load 11,737 vs 10,100; operating load (50%TP) 5868 vs 5050. The Takeuchi has a heavy rigid under carriage while the ASV has a much lighter floating suspension. In my mind, the only thing demonstrated here is that the much lighter and smaller ASV can hang with the big dogs. In the spirit of full disclosure, I have owned an ASV for over 10 years and it has been a very reliable work horse and with the Cat controls, a pleasure to operate. The suspension eliminates the need for that fancy Takeuchi seat. One last thing, if you work in a lot of mud or bog, ground clearance is King. In this match up, the Takeuchi has 12" while the smaller ASV has 15". This is not to disparage Takeuchi. Use the right tool for the job.
Funny the 12 is the under dog my hp standards and pressures. I don’t care about break out force and all that I want to run a mulcher. I ran both machines. I still believe the 12 had a much much more comfortable ride. And is quite a bit cheaper. I bought the tl12 a year ago and don’t regret it one bit. Seen everyone who bought a Asv seems to put them up for sale already.
@@VBELTandSON If you check the manufacturer's websites you will find the machines are defined by weight and operating capacities, not by horsepower. Once again, not disparaging Takeuchi. You do your homework and choose the proper tool for the job. I have an acquaintance who has a house moving business. He has the big Takeuchi and runs it all day long moving and placing BIG steel beams and hydraulic trollies. You couldn't give him a different machine. I use my ASV as a multipurpose machine and often have it in deep soft sand or mud. The ground clearance matters to me. First machine I used was a Bobcat and its low ground clearance crippled it for use in mud. I have another friend who has an excavating business and he runs Cats. His big dozer and excavator are Cats and his dealer takes care of him. He has in the past had a job where his Cat just wouldn't fit so he used my ASV. His operator told me they were impressed with the power of the smaller machine. I've never run a mulcher so I can't make an intelligent comment on your choice of machines. Sounds like you did your homework and made a good decision based on your needs and preferences. My whole point was that I thought the comparison was of apples and oranges as these are two very different machines in different weight classes. It's a shame you didn't have the opportunity to get some footage of the ASV operating so you could post your thoughts on the machine in action.
I've run both extensively with a mulcher and brush grapple. The tl12v2 is BY FAR the better machine and never had any problems with the machine. Stay away from ASV/Terex. They are awful machines. We had both and was always down fixing hoses, fittings, hydraulic leaks. And the final drives are very weak when operating anything that uses hydraulic flow or operating the boom or 3rd function. And the wide tracks everyone likes for flotation are great if you enjoy floating, spinning and sliding or hills. They are just to wide to get any traction. The tl12v2 went places in the mud and hillsides that our ASV and Terex wouldn't even consider going. But to each his own. Just my two cents. Guess it just depends on what you want. Stay safe and keep up the great videos!
Jason82 thanks for taking the time to write that up! I ended up testing out an Asv and yeah I bought the Takeuchi tl12 r2. No regrets. Loving that machine. It has been working steady since it was purchased!
I seen a lot of videos and the ASV and John Deere 333G it’s the best power which has best quality and better customer service ??, What a bout John Deer 333G ??? + ASV not building US it’s Australian product if in case it breaks down who is going to fix it ?there’s no dealers in every city or town + the $$$$ it’s 1/3 more expensive What is the point?
I've run cat, bobcat, JD, Takeuchi, Gehl, ASV , overall i would go with Cat, only complaint i have with Cat is how there engine compartment is set up , Bobcat and ASV hands down on engine compartments, overall ride Cat because of the torsions bar set up, and if it has ride control its just that much smoother than others equipped with ride control, Takeuchi and Gehl are gruesome machines when it comes to ride if your over 40 don't operate one of these in a production setting !!! !!!! Cab comfort is Cat only because of the adjustable safety bar and joysticks, ASV, JD, Bobcat are close behind , Gehl and takeuchi RATTLE TRAPS FROM HELL !! always have to wear ear plugs there so dam noisy !!! power wise i think the Takeuchi was probably the strongest but Cat is right behind them with JD and Bobcat and ASV right there , i would rate ASV a little higher but they took away there foot throttle and the 2-speed light is in a bad spot where you can't tell if its on or off also air conditioner fan is noisy but i love that track system hence i bought a Cat 257 D about only down fall of Cat is its GPM ratings
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Work in excavation and we’ve had a Takeuchi TL8 for about 3 years. Put around 1,200 hrs on it without any problems at all.
Thanks for sharing Sam, I find it amazing folks drop big coin without testing their options. Cab space, seat suspension, metal vs plastic.... with TH-cam and forums you can get a ton of information as I’m sure you did prior to this event but actually testing in those real life conditions are very valuable. Thanks again👍👍👍
Takeuchi hands down! I’ve got 7000 hours on my TL250 with no issues. Just ordered a Takeuchi TB260 excavator as well. Love the cabs on them, that’s all I’ve ran in my excavation business
Elite Earthworks LLC good info that’s an impressive amount of hours in that rig! Definitely liked running the tl12 cab was comfy and good vis. Might actually run the Asv tomorrow see what all the hype is about
V-BELT and SON yeah I bought it with 900 hours in 2012. Just stumbled upon your channel great stuff keep up the good work!
I own and operate a ASV RT120F.
450hrs since October. Honestly its a beast. The ride alone is worth the purchase if you are running it yourself as an owner. If you are putting an operator in it than the premium might not be worth it for you.
I run a Diamond disc mulcher and their brush cutter. Owned a 333G previously. The RT120F is twice the machine as the 333G. 4Landssake.
Phillip Schwarz I ran one yesterday. It has power but didn’t seem to have a crap ton over the tak. Hard for me to get used to the ride after running in a dedicated steel track machine.
Thinking of buying a skid steer for my tree company for mainly lifting and loading logs/ wood..... anyways what's your opinion?
@@garydavis4405 CAT Or Bobcat
Tak e oo chi. Love how nobody says it anywhere close to right. By the way, I'd take the Takeuchi all day. Have an older tl130 that does anything and everything I need it to.
Me too thats thing does it all
Hi Sam! I run TL12V2 no issues ever. Global Machinery Great Service and Jim Cunningham is fantastic.Highly recommend both of them. Little less power than ASV but makes up in Comfort and maintains type stuff, local service!
I have that exact set up with the Takeuchi TL12R2 and the FAE head. It's a monster for what we have here in NorCal. Thanks for making this video!
stumpshot70 no problem! And where are you located?
@@VBELTandSON Just north of Nevada City, CA...I bought mine from Global as well. You're in Pioneer, CA?
stumpshot70 I’m in grass valley hah what’s your business name?
@@VBELTandSON Ha..thats hilarious. Yeah I'm near North San Juan. Been here all my life. Kerrigan Forestry is my business, but I'm just word of mouth. I worked for Robinson and Soper Wheeler for many years as a faller but have been solo for a while now mostly doing land maintenence and odd logging jobs. First name is Sean by the way. Do you have a local business?
do you still have your t Takeuchi? if so how's it holding up@@stumpshot70
I just bought one of these for my farm. I was all set to buy the ASV 135T based on what I’d seen on Upstate Brush Control’s channel of the 120. The 135T is probably a great mulcher but lacks in other areas, plus there’s no dealer in my state. I ended up buying the CAT 299D3 XE and an FAE head. The CAT is better sealed and the specs beyond mulching are better. I’ve since seen someone running a Diamond head that processes debris into much finer material which I prefer. The FAE head can make a huge mess just like all others. I was impressed by Diamonds innovation and I bet their mulchers are less expensive. I’m running the FAE because I just bought it but if I buy one again I think I’ll go Diamond.
Takeuchi is a great machine, the asv undercarriage is about 12-15K to replace everything including the bogies and all, instead of just tracks and sprockets like the Takeuchi, stumps will tear those bogies to hell
If you grind your stumps down far enough that's not a problem. We take care of our asv machines and they last us a long time
Always enjoy you vids and reviews I personally have run the pt175 and the 300 here in Tennessee for someone and enjoy both,been think of getting a smaller machine for myself to do smaller jobs and go out on my own,keep up the great vids and hard work
Those over head doors make a world of difference for visibility
I don't use these things full time.
I did rent a Takeuchi for a month and used it 8 to 10 hours a day 6 days a week.
It ran like a dream and I was pushing it hard.
I would also give it points for a rental place having it as their standard because uptime is a major deal for them and they know people are going to beat the crap out of the equipment.
Every machine has its purpose in my opinion but I'm jumping in the ASV you like what you like I've operated both ,its asv for me.
Takeuchi is definitely my choice of CTL. Absolutely great machine! All around very versatile and durable!
I run the takeuchi tl 12 v2 with the loftness head with carbide teeth at work and the takiuchie is a beast and i love my mower
Tha Takeuchi is the best all round machine ,I love how the door on the Takeuchi you could work with the door open that’s big for me and iv ckeck Ed out their factory and your buying quality ,put some big bars on the back and you got a beast ,easy choice for me
Asv cab is rated for a tree to fall on it thats why the cab is like that the other junk would kill you I've ran asv any day I'd get one the tracks are fine and those hydraulic lines down by the undercarriage has never been punctured on any model
Asv also has the longest lasting tracks of 1500 hours that's alot more than any other
I put 3k hours on my last undercarriage.
The ASV undercarriage works best in sandy type material. If used in rocky or sharp material it gets cut very easily. The rollers also have rubber surfaces and if rocks get wedges against them it will chew them up. In the winter time in any type of mud forget about running them, they will freeze and the rollers will not move. The Takeuchi is hard on the body with the rough ride but they are built like tanks and are hard to beat.
B&K Excavating LLC try driving the prime tech or lamtrac and get in the tl12 🙌🏻 way smooth. All in all
I’m actually very happy with the Takeuchi. Prefer it hands down over the asv
I have two TL230’s right now, looking to add a TL12R2 next year. Need a big skid loader to do the jobs that are too big for my smaller Takeuchi’s but too small for the Cat 953’s.
Funny thing is ASV RT series opted for the older cat cabs instead. I agree the older ASV were better in chassis protection. I wonder who at ASV thought that was a good idea although i think the rear end redesign was done for better engine servicing. If you want checkout a used PT100 forestry edition it has everything minus the cummins.
My JCB 250t has no DEF. It's nice, but it is only 75hp 33gpm at 3300 psi. But I like it, extremely strong for a single arm, and so much room it's really ridiculous. I've ran the tl8s they are nice machines!
you do have a good point, the plastic/fiberglass body panels don't really scream durable forestry machine compared to the takeuchi's solid metal, though the suspension on the track may make up for the seat not having the floating design you talked about, granted I wonder if you could add that when you ordered one
Nice one 👍 personally I prefer the Takeuchi... there is definitely more space in the cab. But the ASV has a cummins inside...👍
I helped my father in law level dirt he had hauled into his driveway. He rented a Cat track skid steer with joystick controls. After years of owning and running a lever control skid steer I was constantly behind trying to turn in reverse. I would want to twist counter clockwise in reverse but would push right first and of course the machine wold pivot clockwise so when I pulled back I was facing the wrong way. The Cat cab was very roomy.
Careful with that ASV dissn. I’m a big fan of Jon, his crew and equipment at Upstate Brush Control. They seem to run an impressive shop. Honestly tho .... good video. I enjoyed it. 👍🏽
Asv cooling, hydraulic hp, ride, Cummins, flow, pressure, torque etc are all things one must consider. Its has all that over and above Tak and I like Tak.
The TL12 is the way to go for grading or pushing. I’ve had to use it for pushin base rock and for grading dirt and absolutely love it. I don’t know about many other skids as I’ve only had my hands on the TL series(8, 10, and the 12) and a few older CATs, but the two speed transmission the Takeuchi has is amazing.
I'd take the tak over an asv in a heartbeat. That track system is too fancy for my liking and the tak looks like it's built like a tank compared to the asv.
I love our Kubota skid loader
ASV was designed for forestry mulching only really. It is not good for dirt or rock work tracks tear easy and with the taco hoochie you cannot go wrong I absolutely love that machine a lot of power if you get the extra hydraulic coolant package on it might not need it on the new ones but the older ones you did but it would turn that head no problem and a great universal machine
James Harrell taco hoochie. Haha that’s my dads favorite joke when I talk about these rigs lol definitely enjoyed driving the tl12. Comfy and seemed to handle that head without much trouble. Asv seems to be just mulcher Intended. No side dirtjob with it. Leads me to want the tl12 more
@@VBELTandSON the bit of a difference between the TL12 and the TL12V2 , the TL12 had no dpf , same flow just 500psi less pressure , the TL12V2 has a bit bigger cab , longer tracks frame / tracks but it has DPF.
Takeuchi! We have 3 of them. We love them.
My dad mulched with a takauchi tl150 and an ASV RC100. This is scarily similar.
The guys on here talking about the, "excessive" maintenance cost of the ASV undercarriage are misinformed. The newer ASV undercarriages are much cheaper to maintain. I priced a roller on a newer ASV RT-120F and the cost was $70-$80. I priced a roller on a Bobcat T870 and the cost was over $300. Crazy thing is they both, 'fail' the same way, when the bearing goes bad. Sure, ASV rollers can show chunking and aren't pretty when they do. Still, they don’t have to be replaced unless the bearings are shot or there is 30% or less rubber remaining on the roller. Plus, the ASV doesn't de-track. I live in a rock market and hill country and I'm still pro-ASV.
The main function of the ASV poly, "rubber" rollers is to reduce friction in the system, reduce undercarriage weight, disburse the machine weight evenly along the track, and to reduce vibration or feedback from the ground to the operator. A worn looking, chunked ASV roller is still very much doing it’s job unless the bearing is bad. People who understand ASV's system stick with their machines for a reason. Does anyone like throwing good dollars at bad dollars?
I was listening until you started preaching youre smarter than anyone that basically disagrees with you.. I personly thought the asv was an awesome machine. love the idea of a smooth ride but it wasn't my favorite when I drove it. I really enjoyed the tl12 when I drove it. and didn't think it would hang but it surprised me. as for the under carriage. tl12 is similar to my excavator. I don't seen any idlers or rollers going on that anytime soon and it is not a stationary machine
V-BELT and SON - I apologize for posting a comment that made you feel as though I’m trying to preach or come across as smarter than those who have differing opinions. To temper the feeling you got when reading my above post, I made a slight change in my delivery and edited the comment above. Look better?
The message is still the same. People are misinformed &/or misrepresent the real maintenance cost of each undercarriage system. Is it fair to say that people who make a living with these machines would agree that real world maintenance & undercarriage costs matter?
Different opinions exist and people spend their money wherever they wish. Notwithstanding, people who comment or recite misinformation about maintenance costs from uninformed or misinformed positions.
there ya go thank you brother! and true that. I made a video awhile back that stated if youre telling me something that I may share on here I want facts not rumors. seems to fit here. at the end of the day not anyone machine is perfect. but asv is functional all around. some ppl have good luck some don't
Nice machine the takahuchee. In the end it’s who gives you the best costumer service 👍 my top two is cat or ASV.
My family always said the dedicated units would make great little track loader/dozer/tool carrier from hell. Asphalt planning good be s good option.
If you are going to possibly use it for grading in the future, it is harder to finish grade with a suspension skid. The machine can lean forward or tilt back slightly as you stop and start. Just something to think about.
Christopher Jilek no it won’t it is not actually Suspension
I run an ASV120 and a 75 and they hands down will out perform every skid steer in their respective classes. I've ran just about every option of skid steer and Will buy ASV every time.
Have you seen the ASV RT-75HD yet? Little beast
mark foster yes I have, I have a 120 , 75 and a just acquired a CMI 175
We have an asv rt120f and the new asv rt75hd max series with diamond mulchers
Love my TL12V2 with the cimaf 180d. The knifes definitely are a great HP compensator. I’ve got 1000hrs on the TL12v2 95% mulching with no issues. You can slow down those tilt functions and jerkyness of the steering with the priority valve. It basically slows the movements by diverting more flow to the head. I’m super please with the machine.
Aaron Gasque awesome glad to hear that! Curious what kind of hydraulic oil temps do you usually see?
@@VBELTandSON got both machines and run a fae head with carbides , the asv will get around 68-70 degrees hydraulic , engine temp was around 80 degrees , with the takeuchi i have got it to 100 degrees hydraulic and 105 degrees engine temp , for mure mulching the asv will win ... if it lasts
Used them both in the mountains of Montana and Alberta. When you want to get serious the ASV outperforms and is way more reliable than the Takeuchi, safer too.
I ran both before buying one. Didn’t see much of a power gain with the Asv. I bought the Takeuchi. I like everything about it so much more. 250 hours not one issue. Plenty of Asv stories that found big time electrical bugs before 50 hours. Not sure how you get safer both rops fops certified. Asv is cool as hell... at first but if you want to get serious get a dedicated machine. 🤘🏻
I've ran bobcat t190 quite a bit but it was also mostly dirt work, love those machines!! But To small for what you're doing, also ran an asv rt100 with a fecon and carbides, hated it.. I agree with you, visibility is very limited, also had to completely rebuild the track frame and replace the axles...yes it had axles💰💰💰🤦♂️
Both are great machines, the guys around here who run the Takeuchi have to put after market coolers on them because they can't stay cool during the heat of the summer. ASV isn't perfect, but it works great for me, that extra 9 hp is a huge difference in the woods. The torsion suspension will not beat you to death after a long day. After about 1000 hours, the door on the Takeuchi doesn't stay sealed, dust gets in and it sounds like its going to rattle apart.
What hydraulic temp do you stay around ?
Any skiddy is a power loss from the normal machines here besides the rayco. But I will admit I had doubt on the Takeuchi but it is a little boss. I can’t get over how small that cab is. Like dang didn’t know it was that small haha. That Takeuchi cab is all comfy loved the space and the seat was money. And I would rather replace weather stripping that undercarriage;) jk haha
At the end of the day like you said both solid machines but it may come down to dealer support around here and I already tried to buy Asv off local dealers around here and no call
Back from any of them. And these boys txted me and said hey demo Friday come on out
I keep hearing about these “questionable” ASV undercarriages, I have never had an undercarriage failure. Ever. Asv has the only repairable undercarriages the market. I guess it’s easy to complain something you don’t own.
ponchhunt hahaha are you kidding? Only repairable one? Doesn’t even make sense. And it’s not a complaint, it’s a simple concern. Might out last everything else. But I have seen mtl undercarriage failures. Stuff happens but best of luck with your machine amigo🤘🏻
The fiberglass body on the ASV is durable, I don’t have the bottom plate like Upstate and have smacked a few trees and it’s still in one piece. Love my ASV.
After thousands of hours on both the asv is alot faster,more power and rides 3times better a little more maintenance on the tracks but it's worth it on the back and the hoses were a concern for me on the tracks but never and issues on multiple units
That’s good to hear. I hear a good review on the Asv every once and awhile. I drove the Asv and went back and bought the Takeuchi. Love it.
own both the Takeuchi tl12v2 and the ASV 120 , the asv can mulch better due to the bit more horsepower , more flow and pressure , it has a better cooling package and no dpf to deal with , the takeuchi has far better quality finish , better visibility , better controls , bigger cab , depends what you are chasing ... mulching the asv will win when it is going ... the tak for ground work , also grab yourself a pair of quality earmuffs with the asv , by the end of the day you will have the biggest headache if you dont
that ear muff factor for the asv is something I don't care for aswell. will be running the skid steer next to a prime tech pt 175 and that rig is a cadilac and very quiet in the cab. the tl12 didn't seem very loud in the cab which was nice.
@@VBELTandSON slashed with the asv today and left my muffs at home , within bout 20 min asked the wife to bring them to site , if you do go the asv , spend a day or two and lift the cab and go through all the wiring and hydraulic lines , check for rubbing / loose and lack of lagging of lines beroe they rub through
@@VBELTandSON you are going to love how quite and how much visibility the asv has over the pt300 ... not ..lol
What about cleaning the machines after mulching? I see the asv has big panels to drop down which seems nice for cleaning. What's the takeuchi like?
@@jdboy9 both bout the same , keep in mind the fiberglass panels on the ASV ,if you get a chance , lift both cabs and have a good look around at how the wiring / hoses are protected or lack of ... if its purely mulching you will put up with the sub-quality that ASV brings only because it mulches better then the Takeuchi
I know one person's comments doesnt mean anything to anyone but ASV tracks are the thing of nightmares, it uses the lugs inside the tract to move it...once you lose a lug go ahead and replace the whole track....track still were very new.....
Lots of great info! Love your vids! Would love to see more in-cab videos of mulching
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Everybody knocks the asv undercarriage , I live 30 minutes from the factor here in Minnesota so I’m bias , but they are easy to work on if you’re a work wise person. And really aren’t that expensive to replace parts . The tak wouldnt make 5 minutes in the area I live in for mulching and the clearance asv has makes a huge difference . As for the fiber glass , they are working on a few things to correct that from what I’m hearing
I spoke with a guy who ran Asv before switching to a Takeuchi and he had tons of issues with the undercarriage. Some ppl have good luck some don’t. And easy to work on it nice but even nicer if you don’t have to work on it over something simple
That is true , I guess I’ve had better luck than some . I do agree with you on visibility , it isn’t very good .
What can you tell me about the FAE head ? I’m looking into denis Cimaf and Prinoth and my next mulcher , but FAE seems to be a popular choice for some .
ASV is the best!👍🏽
I use the old asv positrack 2810. the tracks are bigger and way wider then these newer copys plenty of visabiltiy. I'd like to try one though and compare .
great video. helped me a lot. God bless
What you think about the Kubota 95-2 I like a takeuchi
There's a reason lets dig runs the tl12 he could run any machine he wants but he's a pure bred dirt mover. If your contemplating dirt work on the side, Its not even close tl12 all the way. There track system works well even in the worst mud, simple and self cleans well. I've spent hundreds of hours grading in a tl12 absolutely great machine. And great local dealer support.
Luke Shurtleff yea I know as soon as I bought one I would be wanting to do some dirt work and anything else a skiddy normally does. I know the Asv is a champ for mulching but hate idea of it having limitations in other areas
ASV style undercarriage is defenatly a pain in the ass to replace. Cats version is no better it’s all a pain! The takeuchi, cat ect style is much much better and fast for track replacement! Just my experience
So what’s the advantages of running knives vs carbide teeth.
Knives will cut bigger material but dull if hit a rock. Carbide are tough take a beating but intimately require more hp to be effective
The tek looks like a bigger machine
I've mulched with both a Takeuchi TL12 and an ASV RT-120.
Neither machine is as good as a true dedicated forestry mulcher for mulching, but they are cheaper and being skid steers, they can do many more duties. That's why people use them for mulching.
You have to run both in lots of conditions before you learn how much better the ASV is than the Takeuchi for mulching. The ASV's higher horsepower, its Posi-Track undercarriage, and its 15 in ground clearance will take you places that Takeuchi will never go. When your Takeuchi gets stuck, send in your ASV to pull it out. My experience with ASV tracks are that they hold up fine. The idlers can get chewed up on the edges, but it takes a couple thousand hours before you have to replace them. It's certainly not something big enough to pick the Takeuchi over the ASV for.
The roll up door on the Takeuchi is very nice when you're not mulching. I love it then. It's much nicer than the ASV's swing-door for dirt work. But, when you are mulching, the Takeuchi's roll up door is a potential injury/death trap because it does not have an interlock forcing the roll up door to be closed before the mulcher head is activated. Your friends experience is a good example. He could have gotten really hurt. This is not to be taken lightly. It's a huge safety hazard, even for experienced operators who can make a mistake. That one problem alone makes the Takeuchi not a serious contender for mulching.
The ASV's cab is a tighter fit than the Takeuchi's but it's perfectly adequate for me, and I'm 6'4" and 230 lb. The visibility out of the ASV is a bit worse, but I have found it to be adequate. Neither one has great visibility.
The fiberglass engine compartment swinging doors on the ASV is a bad idea. I'm glad to hear that they are getting that fixed. If they come out with metal doors, I'll buy a pair.
I've never damaged the hydraulic lines on the inside of the ASV's tracks, but I never liked that design either. That does seem like a potential problem. And one of the hydraulic connectors was loose there from the factory, and I had to jack up my ASV and tighten it to stop a hydraulic leak. I've had no problems with it since then.
Overall, the ASV is much better for forestry work and much better for dirt work in sloppy conditions. The Takeuchi's vertical lift is nicer than the ASV's radial lift for loading tall trucks, but the ASV is a better for pushing piles and digging.
Joe Sternhagen well
Coming from our main daily machine we use right now being lamtrac 6125 and prime tech pt175. Going to a small uncomfortable cab isn’t really something I want. I drove an Asv yesterday. The power felt aright. Wasn’t completely taken away with huge power difference between the tak and the Asv. In the end it’s still a skid steer and power isn’t really there on either. But I’d say the tak has way more visibility hands down. Asv still seems to be leading the pack in skiddy market
Joe Sternhagen, you are 100% correct in your assessment. Seems to me that people who complain about the undercarriage took their CAT dealer’s advice and sell them unnecessary parts when not truly understanding the service life of the ASV design. In my experience, and I’m in a ROCK market, the ASV undercarriage COST HALF of what the competitor’s charge. ASV tracks have double the life expectancy and don’t derail! That’s money in the bank, 100%. I know CTL’s like the back of my hand. There is no comparison whatsoever.
Joe Sternhagen couple things u might want to edit in your comment. 1. Ur 6'4 230 lbs. not 130 lbs. 2. Since u made this comment you've had more exposed hose issues under the track, right?
I would take the ASV It’s Got a Cummins. The others a beast though
This size, I really like kubota diesels 125hp and under. I'd like to see kubota go balls out with there construction equipment line.
Have you looked at bobcat ive heard a lot of not good things on ASV also hate the door how it opens vs the other skid steer you can work with the door open when moving dirt or working around people love your videos keep it up
Cooper Wilkes thanks man! And idk about bob cat. There was a few at the demo working and they didn’t sound like that had a lot in the tank. That door on the Asv is rough and for sure like the idea of the one opening straight up way better
Cooper Wilkes, I've just received a Bobcat T65 R series, a little smaller than I'm use too, and the 1st Bobcat brand that I have operated for a long time. We have mostly had cats but also have a smaller hsv at the moment. The Bobcat has just reached 50hr service and I'm being asked by the dealer, what do I think. Well, I told him I was experienced enough to be a harsh critic. I've got a list of pros and cons, I can't be dammed listing here, and I'm sure it will grow from here. So here is one from both. I told the dealer I thought it was totally lame, that Clarke Bobcat would even consider making the the back lockable, as a extra, there is a place for the lock, but a lock 8s an option. I'm still blown away about it, and like I said, there are other things that flat out make me wonder, how the mighty Bobcat, forefront runner in the industry, can be so thoughtless. Now a good thing, she pushes like a beast, for its size, I'd say as good or probably better than cat. I was pleasingly surprised.
the asv's appearance is pretty slick. never had a chance to run one though
I ran one it’s got good power but I didn’t like the overal feel of the machine
@@VBELTandSON that is good knowing
Nice Vid!
Hi Sam that’s a nice setup how do you like it?
with you talking about visibility, it makes me wonder if JCB/Volvo version for mulching as those from what I've seen have the best visibility cause of the one boom design
I have the JCB Teleskid, visibility is great and is comfortable with heated air seat. Only 74 horse power would be under powered with a mulcher head.
@@leifwilson7053 see I wasn't sure if that was their highest HP model, and I thought I saw a few brands with that design and wasn't sure if one of them went higher end with them now
I just got into the machine side of land clearing. Most of my work is on terrain too steep for a machine so we do it all by hand. I've done all of my contracts in fire prevention for the Feds.
I went with the ASV myself. As far as productivity, it was the better of the three in the demo I did. I haven't had issues underneath with those hoses. My only gripe is a Cummins one. When the DEF tank gets to 85% or so, it throws a code for "abnormal rate of fluid level change" for the tank. Idk why they decided that was a good code to throw at a guy. It's as if the good folks at Cummins forgot that people do work outside of an engineering office.
As for the interior room... Meh. I could care less. Between the summer heat and the spring/fall rainy seasons I only get a month of nice weather to work in so as long as I'm dry from the rain, snow or heat, I don't care how much space I have.
It's a good thing you don't weigh 350 lbs or more or you would need a winch to get you out of that RT120. If you sent this comparison to the company that made the RT120 they would drop you some $$ as a consultant? Love your youtube videos.
Which model FAE do you like on the TL12. Carbide or knives?
Standard head. With the door like in the video. Depending on the job and terrain will decide which Teeth to use. Mostly carbide
Them bad boys are over 80k.....so my question is do these things make great money?
That’s cheap if you find one for that price
The front swinging door on the ASV is a good enough reason for me not to buy it. I prefer the roll up door on the Takeuchi and Kubota models hands down.
Justin Thurman yea I’m with you on that. Simple difference makes a huge difference
Ya I used the smaller ASV on a wall dig out.. My partner left it parked leaning one way. Well the next day he couldnt get in it, the door was being blocked. I had to drag it out to flat ground and push down on the bucket to open the door.
Swampy Yards dang that sucks. What did you drag it with?
Bobcat E32
Lol than I dumped the E32 sideways, so yeah wasnt a good day. Good Luck, keep the videos coming.
Is mulching hard on track loaders. I am thinking about getting a tl8r2 and was wondering about mulching
Wide open throttle kind of work. Machine handles it well
Actually looking at trading my Lamtrac 6140 for a TL 12 but don’t k ow if my Cimaf 180d is right for that machine. Rotor may have to much mass to recover quickly. Unfortunate the 6140 was brought out before it was fully developed.
Takeuchi is great but the track system sucks. Can you get a system more like ASV for Takeuchi? I've seen them on Cats and other brands. Aftermarket systems
I have zero complaints about the tracks on the takeuchi. I bought the tl12 and have 150 hours on it now all good
@@VBELTandSON if you work somewhere where they get as worn as the ones I run in the terrain I have to go through it can be horrible. As where I love the track systems on the cats and asv's I've ran. You didnt answere the question I asked but ok. I have seen advertisements in the past for the aftermarket company in the past. I know they make them for cats and bobcats from what I hear and the power company contractor I work for is interested is why I asked. Thanks anyways. Compared to asv and cat the track system sucks. As far as the machine itself it's not bad but I still much rather be in cat or asv. We run a 60" diamond disc mulcher head with all carbides and with the hydrolic flow power pack it doesnt big down much at all. But as far as the terrain we have to work at times it is kinda sluggish moving forward, backwards and turning compared to cat and asv.
@@Jason-gp2fm Cat purchased the rights to put ASV tracks on there 257,277,287,297 skiddys up till 2018 now you can only get that track on the 257's they discontinued it on the other three machines
Pound for pound the John Deere CT3 32 is the machine that will show the other machines How to move dirt . It is a very strong machine for the size You can cut grade easily Add the visibility far surpasses the Competitors don't believe me rent one and you'll see Nothing runs like a Deere.
Are you running that TK without an impact resistant door?
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The TL12 comes standard with a poly carb door when you have the high flow option
Ever look led into a Gehl VT320? Has 115 hp.
terrible ungodly gruesome riding machine on market !!!!! and can't see out back !!! Noisy junk
So.we here in NY State started mulching biz,we are using a case sv 340 with run flat tires and steel grouser tracks with ice cleats with a erskin head.iwe are definitely learning and doing ok and covering the bills! Already we are looking at something bigger ,seems all these skid steer need design engineers that actually use an run a machine .ido you think the pt 175 has the best of all,over all machines you have tried.in that price range.i am seeing you all run track Machines ,and I wonder how they would do in the mud we deal with ! I just feel there would be lots of maintenance problems with the mud .the pt 175 is more of a dozer type track and almost twice the size .an over twice the money of course !
My Japanese friends would cringe at the pronunciation of Takeuchi. Tah-koo-chi vs Tah-keh-ooh-chi. FWIW...😃
Manny Puerta that’s to much effort to say it correctly ha
V-BELT and SON I done told u over the phone how to say it lol
I've always thought it was said tickle-coochie
Correct, Its actually pronounced, GAR-ba-GE
I have a regular cab 2014 ram 3500 cummins and i'm looking to stay under 26k weight as I don't have a cdl yet. What trailer and tl12 with head weight in at? I'm looking at getting a used TL12 after watching you run it its been my top choice.
You’re gonna need a cdl and a 20k trailer
@@VBELTandSON hahaha fair enough. I'll get my class lined up.
@@VBELTandSON would you suggest a TL 8 with a smaller head? Especially if it wasn't a main business?
Idk how well an 8 will power a head. I’d demo one first
Is anybody running the new stl track skidder. ( might be a case)with mulching head
ASV has it’s place, The R2 beats it in EVERY conceivable way.
I get the complaints but as far as I’m concerned Asv is the best on the market and I run a Kubota.
@@right8630 I bought the 12
Love your videos. I'm wanting to get in the mulching business as a side job and a TL12R2 is the machine I'm wanting. Still trying to decide on which head
Jeff Allman eBay heads are you thinking of going with?
@@VBELTandSON Either a Fecon, Cimaf or FAE. What is your opinion on a used head?
Got me with the finger joke...
The rear bumper flat bar on the takeuchi that you pointed out is absolutely useless. if you back into a tree with it your rear door is bent I have a friend with one that was 3 months old and now a bent rear door. In your resent videos you have already added a rear cage to cover your rear door on yours. I own booth and that Cummins is hard to beat. Look what you drive. What's under the hood of your truck.
Was about a year and a half before we had a dent in the back of the machine. I wanted the bumper for more counter weight. It helped for both. And love Cummins. I wanted an asv mainly for that but wasn’t a good enough reason to go with a machine I didn’t like very much after driving one.
@@VBELTandSON so if you saw a dodge and didn't quite like the door, would you go off and buy a different pickup? everything you pointed out is minor. if you take care of your machine and look it over, all those little things don't matter. asv is best.
Hello . . Love all your videos .. please I am a farmer .. and interested in buying one of this machines ..which kind of machine do you suggest one to buy ... I am looking at Cat 299D Rayco and Barko ... Please advise ... Thank you
ASV's claim to fame is keeping the weight low, hence the small cab and fiberglass panels. Not to mention they were the creators of the original tracked loader!
Actually Takeuchi was the inventor of the track loader
110,000 f450 25,00 tee Rex trailer . Cat 299 120,000 MULCH HEAD 50,000 295,000 HADN’T BOUGHT GAS YET 🤣🤣
Jay-it3zeOwner operated here. if you’re gonna get into any kind of mulching applications you need high displacement, high hydraulic cooling capacity, high flow hydraulics to turn any of the drum equipment. I run a Terex (asv) PT110F with a loftness G4.
@Jay-it3ze the Kubotas are good, really these days almost all the brands are. I went asv mainly for the extra hydro flow and the ground clearance. Where I’m at (PNW) we are mountainous, rocky, with soft trees like alder but mostly fir, cedar and pine. The asv suspension is made to track like a mountain goat and with the extra clearance I don’t get high centered. What works for you is gonna be best suited on your geography and working environment
Machines like Deere are super squat and low which is great for lifting and center of gravity but they get hung up on just about every fkn thing it seems like. I’m not sure bout the Kubotas tho.
Jay-it3ze I will say in my area most of the forestry guys use asv or cat for what it’s worth. I don’t have much experience with cat machines but I hear they do side hill track fairly well. Not sure if that’s why guys like em. Cat parts are like Harley stuff. Super expensive just because of the logo lol
What about the lamtrac 6140 ctl?
What's the name of that rock song in this video?
ASV RT120 is a beast ! I have 2 with a FAE mulcher head on it . I team them with my 2 kubota excavator with the rotating log grapple with hideaway chainsaw .
Richard Gavin sounds like a mean set up! Excavator is a big bonus running along side the mulcher
@@VBELTandSON I have a Kubota KX 080-3 and KX 161-3 excavator with rotating log grapple with hide away chainsaw . I tag team them between the 2 ASV RT120 mulcher and my large FAE mulcher
Richard Gavin we have those same excavators. What grapples do you have with a saw? We have rotator grapples aswell
I have a ryan's log grapple with hideaway chainsaw
@@VBELTandSON I have a ryan's log chainsaw grapple on kubota KX 161-3 and rotobec log chainsaw grapple on Kubota KX 080 -3
is there room for my dog in the takeuchi ? Aloha
How's that vgt working I got a cel on my 4th gen and turbo is sticking I'm thinking about an upgrade as soon as my 12 valve is back on the road
Dodge man it’s money! Little slow down low but mean up top.
Thanks I'll check it out
Ol feller upare in NC loves his "ol' buobcat" what's opinion on 750/850? (Anyone?)
Which is better knives or carbides?
knives
It seems like you're making an unfair comparison by assuming they are equal machines because of the horsepower match up. In reality, the Takeuchi is a heavier class track-loader, 13,190 lbs operating weight to the ASV's 11,265 lbs, nearly a ton heavier. Similar disparity in other spec's: tipping load 11,737 vs 10,100; operating load (50%TP) 5868 vs 5050. The Takeuchi has a heavy rigid under carriage while the ASV has a much lighter floating suspension. In my mind, the only thing demonstrated here is that the much lighter and smaller ASV can hang with the big dogs. In the spirit of full disclosure, I have owned an ASV for over 10 years and it has been a very reliable work horse and with the Cat controls, a pleasure to operate. The suspension eliminates the need for that fancy Takeuchi seat. One last thing, if you work in a lot of mud or bog, ground clearance is King. In this match up, the Takeuchi has 12" while the smaller ASV has 15". This is not to disparage Takeuchi. Use the right tool for the job.
Funny the 12 is the under dog my hp standards and pressures. I don’t care about break out force and all that I want to run a mulcher. I ran both machines. I still believe the 12 had a much much more comfortable ride. And is quite a bit cheaper. I bought the tl12 a year ago and don’t regret it one bit. Seen everyone who bought a Asv seems to put them up for sale already.
@@VBELTandSON If you check the manufacturer's websites you will find the machines are defined by weight and operating capacities, not by horsepower. Once again, not disparaging Takeuchi. You do your homework and choose the proper tool for the job. I have an acquaintance who has a house moving business. He has the big Takeuchi and runs it all day long moving and placing BIG steel beams and hydraulic trollies. You couldn't give him a different machine. I use my ASV as a multipurpose machine and often have it in deep soft sand or mud. The ground clearance matters to me. First machine I used was a Bobcat and its low ground clearance crippled it for use in mud. I have another friend who has an excavating business and he runs Cats. His big dozer and excavator are Cats and his dealer takes care of him. He has in the past had a job where his Cat just wouldn't fit so he used my ASV. His operator told me they were impressed with the power of the smaller machine. I've never run a mulcher so I can't make an intelligent comment on your choice of machines. Sounds like you did your homework and made a good decision based on your needs and preferences. My whole point was that I thought the comparison was of apples and oranges as these are two very different machines in different weight classes. It's a shame you didn't have the opportunity to get some footage of the ASV operating so you could post your thoughts on the machine in action.
Karl Nitzl I have another video featuring the Asv.
Good day
I've run both extensively with a mulcher and brush grapple. The tl12v2 is BY FAR the better machine and never had any problems with the machine. Stay away from ASV/Terex. They are awful machines. We had both and was always down fixing hoses, fittings, hydraulic leaks. And the final drives are very weak when operating anything that uses hydraulic flow or operating the boom or 3rd function. And the wide tracks everyone likes for flotation are great if you enjoy floating, spinning and sliding or hills. They are just to wide to get any traction. The tl12v2 went places in the mud and hillsides that our ASV and Terex wouldn't even consider going. But to each his own. Just my two cents. Guess it just depends on what you want. Stay safe and keep up the great videos!
Jason82 thanks for taking the time to write that up! I ended up testing out an Asv and yeah I bought the Takeuchi tl12 r2. No regrets. Loving that machine. It has been working steady since it was purchased!
Not to mention parts support and actually if you work on it you’ll definitely pick the Tak every time
Will a cat head match with a takeuchi?
Cat mulcher head is an fae head. So same as the one in the video on the machine
I seen a lot of videos and the ASV and John Deere 333G it’s the best power which has best quality and better customer service ??, What a bout John Deer 333G ???
+ ASV not building US it’s Australian product if in case it breaks down who is going to fix it ?there’s no dealers in every city or town + the $$$$ it’s 1/3 more expensive What is the point?
Mihail G
ASV is built in Minnesota
ASV is built in Grand Rapids Minnesota
Both nice machines, Does the Takeuchi have auto reversing fans like the ASV. And what is the price difference between the machines?
you can get it with a reversing fan and 25k ish cheaper for the 12
I've run cat, bobcat, JD, Takeuchi, Gehl, ASV , overall i would go with Cat, only complaint i have with Cat is how there engine compartment is set up , Bobcat and ASV hands down on engine compartments, overall ride Cat because of the torsions bar set up, and if it has ride control its just that much smoother than others equipped with ride control, Takeuchi and Gehl are gruesome machines when it comes to ride if your over 40 don't operate one of these in a production setting !!! !!!! Cab comfort is Cat only because of the adjustable safety bar and joysticks, ASV, JD, Bobcat are close behind , Gehl and takeuchi RATTLE TRAPS FROM HELL !! always have to wear ear plugs there so dam noisy !!! power wise i think the Takeuchi was probably the strongest but Cat is right behind them with JD and Bobcat and ASV right there , i would rate ASV a little higher but they took away there foot throttle and the 2-speed light is in a bad spot where you can't tell if its on or off also air conditioner fan is noisy but i love that track system hence i bought a Cat 257 D about only down fall of Cat is its GPM ratings
Kevin Schuster I bought the tl12 Takeuchi 🤘🏻
Funny how they don't even think about the BEST, Gehl VT 320, WILL hold its own against all the others. Semper Fi.
Elaborate… what’s your reason and what use are you thinking of?
Hi
Made it , dixie.mike
Cummins Chevy i let Dixie win 😌 have to keep the 👴🏻 man happy....😂😂😂