Can You Do 10 Gigabit Over Regular Cat 5e Ethernet? (The Results Will Shock You)
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I recently bought a bunch of Cat 6 cabling and tools to rewire my place with 10 gigabit. But soon discovered that would be impossible, and I would have to live with the existing Cat 5e. But would that be good enough? Both Cat 5e and Cat 6 use the same RJ45 connector and cable pairs, they are just constructed differently. So how fast CAN you get with Cat 5e, and would it still allow me to get multiple-gigabit speeds without doing anything?
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Thank you, weird Linus :)
Deformed Linus
Deep fake Linus.
what? lol
Totally choked on this video bc I thought it was Linus
LOLOL
What you are most likely seeing here is performance within the 2.5 - 5Gbps spectrum. Cat5e and Cat6 were recently re-certified for the NBASE-T and MGBASE-T standards allowing for 2.5 Gbit/s over Cat5e and 5 Gbit/s over Cat6. Both the Asus XG-C100C network card and Netgear ProSafe XS505M switch are capable of these standards which is why you are seeing file transfers between 320 - 480Mbps. Also, remember to enable Jumbo Frames (up to 9000 MTU) if your network card, switch and NAS support it.
When is linus coming over to give you 100000TB of storage?
Sfp+ is actually a lot more common because they draw less power so in huge data centres that all adds up. Also the reason why spf+ cards are slightly cheaper than there 10gbaset counterparts. Just because something isn’t common to you doesn’t mean it’s less common. 👍🏽
Yes. Short runs only (in cabinet patching in my case). It worked fine.
I have done 10gbit runs in a DC using cat5e. Cat5e costs pence and any numpty with a punch down tool and a crimp can terminate it. Fiber costs a fortune, is a pita to terminate without faff and requires actual network engineers to do so.
Very informative, I was looking at doing 10 gig for a future home server project, now it's looking more enticing.
SFP+ is actually cheaper 10 Gbe if below 5 meters. For my case, my router has 2 SFP+ ports, 8Gbe ports (36 CPU cores) $1000 (capable of 10+Gb/s symmetrical internet with QoS, firewall, VPN, etc), managed SFP+ 16 port switch $400, Direct SFP+ cables $15 each, Used mellanox SFP+cards $25-$30
The problem with cables, some manufacturers have very good quality that cat5e can support 10Gb/s within a few meters, while many out there dont even conform to their said standards.
This isn't completely surprising. Ethernet has something like a 10^-13 error rate. I _think_ this means that, on average, you'll only get a single bit error when sending around a terabyte of data. So everything is very highly engineered to produce these very low error rates, and thus the length limitations and need for better cable becomes important.
Using wire that's not up to spec likely just means you'll increase the error rate above 10^-13. For a home environment, that's likely fine in most cases.
Depending on how _much_ this increases, you could get some increased latency, and jitter when you have to re-transmit packets though. This could be anywhere from significantly noticeable, to practically immeasurable and you'd never notice.
It's be interesting to see information from your raw ethernet card interface about how many errors it detected, and had to re-transmit. Ethernet has error detection built into the protocol, so errors shoud be detected at the physical interface level.
Awsm vid Thio. Pls keep doing more. And thx for the tips btw dude rly appreciate it!
I think you can do computer to computer data transfer without involving any hard drives (hdd. ssd, whatever), but more like application to application communication that is meant for testing network max speed. Saw this like over a decade ago... cant remember the details. Maybe i've even used it.
The reality is if you want to really cabling all your house with 10Gb LAN, SFP+ DAC/fiber is definitely the way to go...
Every situation is different, we have to understand what the bottleneck is.
People spend too much time on specs, but real life situation is different.
While I applaud the general premise of the discussion, you're missing a few major factors. One, how much harder are your NAS and PC working to keep up with packets that are corrupt because of the inefficient cabling? You're testing point-to-point device connectivity, but once you add in all of your home IoT devices, the 4k streaming television, the streaming music services, many of which may be using your NAS as their server or switch as their core switch, do you hear skips or see picture freezes, because your SAN is spending an inordinate amount of time having to retransmit packets that are corrupt because of the issues you injected by trying to drive 10Gig over wiring that wasn't meant for it. This means your switch will be dealing with all those retransmits as well. So while it may look like it works just fine, check the stats on your ethernet NICs, or if your switch is managed, look a the interface statistics to understand how much harder the network is actually working because of the cabling. Second, distance. The ethernet spec says that 10GigE can run up to 100 meters, but if you were to plug a 100 meter Cat5e cable into that same switch and your laptop, I'm guessing it won't work at all. Without knowing the distance of every behind the wall run of Cat 5e, you can't say it'll work. Just because it looks like it'll work with two devices connected 40' apart doesn't mean a whole house will be able to run on it. Also, to get full 10GigE, you need Cat 6A. Cat 6 will only run 5GigE at wire speeds up to 100 meters.
That's coming from the same guy that told us we can upgrade our PS3 to PS4, how to play CDs on a record player, how to wash our motherboard, etc.
If the signal with Cat 5 and Cat5e is not constant, it doesn't matter much when it comes to an Internet connection, because the Internet and the PC are not always stable for me either, as far as transmission or downloading is concerned
I wanted to know this..... but did not have enough $$$ to try it at my bussiness, but now I think cat 5e WILL HOLD a few years more.... Thanks..
3:28 Untrue. SFP+ is cheaper. Each 10gb RJ45 port is about 30-40USD, while a 10gb SFP+ fiber transceiver is 10-20 bucks nowadays.
Create a ramdisk on your server / computer. You will realize larger speeds.
Only time to use cat6 is for business or if your going to be constantly uploading or downloading data
I liked it but, wish you would have cut it opened and compared.
Surprised no one has pointed out your cable making skills. Looks like you crimped the connectors right onto the (un)twisted pairs. Crimps should be on the sheath, and the pairs should stay twisted as far as possible.
To get 10 Gigabit you need Cat 6 ? WAIT 6 cats ? I have already two of them but they don't like LAN cables. How can I fix this issue ?
(By The Way The Results Shocked Me)
Just add one dog and you should be fine.
Ok thanks I will try to get a hot dog
On our farm we had 6 cats, but never 10Gbit?
Hi Thiojoe What type of microphone system do you use to record your videos. It sounds fantastic
Looks like you may need a little sun light.
I wonder if that fluctuation was a result of having to go through another device (the switch), as opposed to signal crosstalk or anything cable-related makes me wonder what would happen if you just used a really long Cat 5e cable, whether there would be a difference.
Also, you should use iPerf to actually get the max speeds instead of just copying files. You should do that in a new video.
You should also test a cat6 cable that's a full 100m vs. a cat5e that's a full 100m just for fun.
Which OS are you using? The icons on the taskbar look round? Are you using themes or some thing of sort to make windows 10 look different. Or, are you suing different OS? Make a video about it, maybe?
Great video. Have been wondering if my CAT 5e was going to work or not. What I'm curious about if you could mix CAT 5e and CAT 6. So from the wall plug or switch to the device, have CAT 6 and in wall leave the CAT 5e. As opposed to just leaving the CAT 5e throughout. All my home gear is enterprise grade equipment and thinking it's going to be hard to find enterprise equipment that uses standard RJ45 connectors for 10GB but kind of inspired to start considering updating my network.
Why was 1 port blinking yellow? which indicated by the chart.. 10 / 100 meg?
Those are rookie numbers... go for 40G QSFP network card in your PC... just run fiber through your whole house. Cuz why not
There is cat 8 now hahaha
Do you have a cable length meter? How long were your runs?
Cable: Cat6 10Gb
PC: Gigabit Ethernet
Router: 100 Meg Ethernet
ISP: 5 Mbps
Outstanding setup! Hahahahahaha
human brain: 10 kbps
@@JC.72human brain understanding what's coming in: 10 bit/s
When I first started working in IT, my first job was working at a business with only dual T1 lines for their internet connection and an RV042 VPN router. SOOOOOOOOOOOO fucking slow.....
Here at a venue in London, we are running 1Gb *internet* dude.
If you look at what it takes to move 4k video around in realtime, you will find that you need *bundles* of 10GbE.
The name for the standard ethernet plugs is RJ45.
10 Gigabit allows you to transfer memes at warp speed
What about the dankest?
(THE YEAR IS 2050) my grandma: only 10 gigabits, lol i have 100 TERABITS
shit
Memes are d0pe
ThioJoe
Can't wait till my kids get older and tell me how slow this works
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You also have to take into consideration that such standards are also taking into consideration how much shielding is needed when a lot of such cables are squeezed into a cable canal for dozens of meters, to avoid crosstalk and have the right impedance. Basically, for a worst case scenario. At a home such worst cases almost never occur so you'd certainly have more slack with a cat 5e cable alone.
True, I will be adding a cable trunk of at least seven cables (for switch port replication), but ultimately it will probably end up as ten or more in the end. So I'm going with Cat 6A, shielded.
I have a 100' run of 20 year old solid copper core CAT 5 (note not even CAT 5e and yes it is from 1999), the same Asus 10g NICs, and the 8 port version of that switch (XS708E) and I get between 766 and 852 MB/s.
The reason for the shielding in the cable is not necessarily for outside interference, it's for reducing crosstalk between the cables inside the wire caused by electromagnetic fields generated by the current running through the wire. Running at higher frequencies (200mhz vs 750mhz) causes more cross talk, resulting in worse data integrity
Great video, I switched to 10G last month, works fine on my 5e home network at full speed. Worth noting that if you have high quality 5e (In my case Molex Powercat) it will usually be overspecified to begin with which helps your chances of having it work. By contrast you'll never get 10G using those fake fake Cat6/7 flat cables off Amazon lol.
cat 5e can only do 5 gigabit, your cable is probably fried by now
just upgrade to cat 6 it isn’t expensive and it actually supports 10 gigabit
@@Jon844W Wow, how wrong can you get lol. Okay firstly you can't "fry" a cable with ethernet, it all uses the same voltage right back to the old 10 Mbit standard. Secondly when you say Cat5e can "only do" 5 Gbit what you're actually referring to is that manufacturers only certify it to do 5G at it's max distance of 100 meters, this does not mean that it can't do 10G over shorted distances, the Cat5e in my house is rated for 10G up to 45 meters and none of the cabling in my house is that long. Thirdly, rewiring a house is actually expensive, and add to that the Cat6 you recommend is only rated for 10G up to 55 meters anyway (in order to be fully compliant for 10G up to 100M you need Cat6A not Cat6). Lastly you could have learnt quite a bit of this simply from reading my original comment :P
@@llynellyn did I ask
@@Jon844W Go away from computers and networking cause you are as dumb as a brick.
I'm shocked.. And it's your fault
I like these newer type of videos where ThioJoe is honest, instead of Pranking people. Seems like he is growing up now. Also, I wish he'd done RAM to RAM, then we would know actual max speed.
I’m already shocked so this will be interesting.
results shocked me
THAT'S WHAT I SAID
Als ob du auch hier 😂👍
A lot depends on how well the CAT 5 was installed. No kinks, no staples, properly punched down on the wall jacks and the quality of the cable. Factory ends on the cables connecting each device are also preferred over hand crimped ends. Also your computer will have a big affect on data transfer speed. The faster the hard drive and the more RAM your computer has, the faster your data rate will be. And some Antivirus programs scan files as you copy them and that can affect your speeds.
Sorry but this video has so many problems..
- You cannot test 10 Gbps if your drives are only capable of write speeds at 400-500MB/s. That's barely hitting 4 Gbps.
- SFP+ "is" still Ethernet. The connector type has nothing to do with the protocol and standard used in the communication.
- You were peaking at around 4Gbps from which we cannot tell if you were having 10 Gbps on cat 5e or just 5Gbps - 802.3bz Ethernet which was specifically designed for this.
- Well this one is not technical but on the side note.. this is the first video I've seen on this channel and I constantly had the feeling you wanted to make it long even though it contained information for like a 5 minute video.. the rest is just talk without much information. I was like when you will actually start doing something.
Maybe a little more research would've made this video much better.
Massive Fail!
Who cares about the drives, the download speed shouldn't be affected. The files are caches to the RAM.
I came here to say exactly this, thank you for pointing out all the things that made me cringe in this video! Good day sir.
Also, I wouldn't trust Windows measurement on speed. These are the same people who stated a 3MB file could take 12 days to download then 13 seconds. I found the most accurate way to calculate speed of network is using wireshark and take the size of file, and divide by the difference in time of the starting and ending packet. The limitations on Cat 5E would be noise on the line, thus why CAT 6 has the annoying plastic cross divider. For him to accurately do this, he would need stripped raided 4 ssd on both the desktop and NAS. He would probably be better suited with an OS will less protocol overhead than Windows as well. This video ultimately highlighted what technologies have been saying for years, your limitation is the hard drive read/write speed.
R/woooossshhh
Sounds like you are using a SATA SSD, not NVMe
I worked at Teranetcs, PLX and Aquantia pioneering 10GBase-T and NBase-T. 10G will work up to ~55 meters with CAT5E and CAT6... for 100 meters you will need CAT6A or CAT7. It is the PHY layer and regardless of the cable, if you get a link it will run at line rate (10G, 5G, 2.5G, 1G, 100M). However, with bad/long cables or with many connectors (spec is up to 4) you will see the BER (bit error rate) increase. By spec you are allowed about one error every 100 seconds. But if you see that it's really rare and bad... If you want to test it hard use longer cables and wrap 6 around 1 cable all with active traffic...
Makers of the spec said an analogy of the SNR (signal to noise ratio) of the worst cable length, connector model, and noise (cross talk + alien cross talk) is equivalent to trying to catch a frisby during an atomic bomb explosion. Hats of to all the engineers and companies that worked on 10GBase-T. More than half never even could get it to work.
Yeah...cat 5e and cat6 are very similar, I'm surprised they didn't make the number jump up to 6 with cat6a and make cat6 like, cat5h or something.
I came to the same conclusion a few years ago that it was not worth my while ripping out the cat5e in order to replace with cat6 as nothing ran fast enough to warrant it, perhaps in a graphics office with several computers sharing a switch but for the home no.
Amen to that ... CAT5E is the best for the $$ and still is today. Heck streaming 2160P does not take 100M ... maybe 25M at most. But standard CAT5 you may have an issue streaming 2160P because its only rated at 10M ...
My entire house is CAT5E, even out to my shed about 150 FT away is CAT5E ...
The reason some switches only have 1-2 SFP+ ports is to uplink to another switch.
Hey, you made impossible quite possible. By the way, can you make a video on Synology NAS describing about its different editions and features.
Nice video. Would you be willing to re-test the full speeds using a RAM drive on 2 different systems? It would be cool to see the maximum potential.
You are using multigig switch with multigig NIC over cat5e which is the whole purpose of 802.3bz standard. The 2006 standard 802.3an require higher rates cables and plugs. Are you sure you are not connected at 5gbps over the cat5e cables?
My house is so old it doesn't even have Ethernet in the walls, just 240 volt power
And my isp only provides my area with 40 Mbps
Kryštof Píštěk i get 4
I get 8 mbps
I get 120 volts and ~25 mbps.
Ilane Tech Reviews I get 4 mbps
Nice experiment :)
If I was getting cabling done for anywhere I might want to live in, I'd still get Cat 7 cables laid just to be thorough. It's not *that* much more expensive and might save me a lot of frustration in the future, especially when we move beyond 10Gbit.
Be quite a while before you get over 10Gbit. And, need for it will be very small.
How hard are those cat 7 to bend?
nice video i like it
I like cats too.
Make sure your 5e has all 4 pairs before you get mad at Joe for your contractor being cheap.
why would it NOT have all 4 pairs ..??
@@ACommenterOnTH-cam Since it only uses 2 pairs there are some shit companies that make it with just the 2. People try and save a buck on it not understanding how important the 2 dead sets are for insulation
1st off the 2 dead pairs are NOT for insulation because you cant insulate 2 pairs with 2 other pairs when they are twisted in the same fashion. It does not work that way.
The only way to insulate those 2 pairs is to put a shield around the bundle of 2 pairs just as how CAT6A is done.
Those extra 2 pairs were put for 3 reasons:
1 was to future proof for GigaBit transmission (even though Gigabit still works on 2 pairs)
2 they were also put there so that you could get 2 internet lines on the same cable.
3 they were put there for POE, 2 pairs for the data and the other 2 pairs were put there to carry the power to the camera
So if you think those other 2 pairs were put there to provide insulation, i would like to see HOW that is possible ... UNLESS ... the plan was insulation and it FAILED (expected to happen) so they came out with CAT6A which had actual insulation which WORKS ...
@@ACommenterOnTH-cam "Noise" insulation. And no it doesn't really work.
Excellent practical approach to things. I have been an electrical engineer for over 50 years now and been involved in the creation of several IEEE/ANSI standards. A new standard definitely is sausage making. What the standard finally says is always a huge compromise among practical engineering, theoretical considerations. and commercial/marketing interests.
1 gigabit for home use is by far more than enough for a long time to come. With 1 gigabit you can do 40 simultaneous streams of 4K video or 10 of 8K video. Basically a consumer in home doesn't need more. 10 Gigabit is pointless in home unless you're a professional editing tons of uncompressed 4K or 8K video and transferring the files back and forth between your NAS or server. Also it's unlikely any ISP will offer 10 gigabit or 40 gigabit in residential areas in the next 20 years.
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You should have tested network performance, like packet loss, while the transfers were ongoing. 400 MB/s is cool and all, but if it causes 10% packet loss on other, simultaneous traffic on Cat.5e, then Cat.6 would still be totally worth installing.
You should've used two computers and ran iperf, if possible. But I'm pretty sure 5e does 10gbe just fine over short distances
all you're testing here are the SATA interfaces -- *not* what the network interfaces are capable of!
remember when this guy used to title his videos "HOW TO TURN YOUR PS3 INTO A PS4!!"
lmfaoooo
@ThioJoe, thanks for posting and sharing this. Of all the tech stuff I have purchased over the last 15 years of my life, my NAS and my 1Gigabit Switch are the oldest and arguably best tech investments I made when I was younger, but in 20/20 hindsight, I rarely pushed my network to its max 1Gigabit speed. My advice to you is to save your money.
HI, did you repeat this test using Nvme? Thanks for this and all your videos!!
Use a program called soft perfect ram disk it treats your ram like a temporary hard disk so you can get the full potential of your 10 gb/s speed
Ok, now try running iperf and check out all of your frame errors. Yeah, it "works" but its far from ideal. Also SFP+ Ethernet ports are cheaper than rj45 Ethernet ports. The SPF+ modules can be about the same to WAY more expensive for sr optics.
Ethernet is a communication standard not a connector type. Your SFP+ cable and your traditional networking cables are both use the Ethernet standard. The traditional "phone jack" style connector is called RJ45 (registered jack 45) in contrast to the SFP+ connector. Generally, I like what you are doing. You spread knowledge and interest in technology to a younger generation. Please take the time to understand the concepts and technologies before teaching them to others. I have several other gripes like your use of "router" as an umbrella term.
You mean 8P8C? RJ45 has a tab that keys it.
I agree with you. LTP does the same thing.
no traditional phone line is RJ11
Did you really just call a Phone Jack RJ45.....
Phone jack is rj 11.
Cat 5e should work with 10 gig up to 20 or 30 meters, Cat 6 to 50 and Cat6A to full lenght of 100 meters.
Cat5e (100-350mhz) is good enough for 5 gbps over a short run but CAT6 is the minimum for 10gbps. This guy use a NbaseT connection, not 10GBaseT.
If you run shielded cat5x and shielded 6x you'll notice they're identical in speed transfers. Cat6/7 is very hard to work with and a lot of bulk cable comes with a nylon/plastic cross-hammock so you don't stretch the pairs in the field. Try crimping those things down a few times!
In our family house i ran mixed cabling (Cat5E and Cat6A), i can confirm the latter is much more pain in the *ss installing as bulky, very rigid and higher turn radius, takes about double time both for passing the cables into the sheaths and crimping the keystones terminations at the wall sockets and patch panel.
Good video Thio I have a 10 gig network. And yes you can get 10 gig on Cat5e at small distances. But I have 23 cat6 runs in my home network. Thumbs up and check out one of my network videos.
you could build 10gb switch yourself just and the best thing is that ebay 10gbe and for that matter 40gbe infiniband nics are cheap af and you can make it with vyos
I suggest a remake, taking the storage devices out of the picture. Try using Lanbench or iPerf for a realistic evaluation of network link speeds. No need to cloud the issue with disk drive limitations which are going to be the same regardless even if they're in the same box.
What is the connection from your Synology NAS to the Switch? Do you get additional card for the NAS to get 10G cat-6?
Tip for anyone installing cables. Always install the best cables you can at the time. I wouldn't go any less than cat 6a at this point. I have now even installed my first fiber cable at home as you never know whats coming next.
Also, in the past I have had no trouble with second hand server grade 10 gig Intel NICs. You may need to play with the drivers more but you may get them cheaper or even a 2 port one.
Or just run conduit through inaccessible walls\areas
Your video exactly covered my question, because I get 10Gbit connection from my ISP and (probably) Cat5e ethernet in my walls.
I successfully have 1Gb speeds over cat5 non E cable at a distance of 30-40ft. Will be trying 10Gb soon.
Nope, SSD are old school now M.2 NVME is faster than any regular SSD
You covered all the bases, thought of everything and all the information you'd want to know in order to present to us an amazing, and informative, presentation. Well done! You helped me out tremendously!
He didnt even saturate 10Gbits...
Hi, I am a bit confuse here regarding the 10G when World average speed is 46.25 Mbps. Also i see some Mother boards marketing them selves with 10G speed. Who is actually benefiting with 10G speed? is 10G from the internet company, or router to my NAS? I have a similar like yours. I have a cat6 but i think my router internet can handle 100Mb/s but my wireless internet provider offer an average half what the router can handle. I backed last week after my getting my NAS about 5T of content at an average speed of 20mb/s. it took less than a week. Yet again, what actually travel at 1G yet alone 10G?! That is why i am confuse, specially when i am about to order a new Mother board. and i see advertise being made offering 10G! but average mother board offers only 2.5G. I appreciate your insight.
I have 56kbps phone wires in my house that I can use for internet connected to my 600mbps incoming ISP connection... That's why I use WiFi (400mbps)
So ...
3 years later and I'm still shocked by the results!
Nice! Very sensible real-world testing. Most of my RAW files are 90MB+ and I could really use the added speed.
The computer and the device "negotiate" a speed. If it can "negotiate" 10gbps, it can pass 10gbps.
This applies for a cable run alone, i suppose it can vary if submitted to external interferences that occurs after the devices have negotiated the speed => could lead to huge error rates or even link loss. (don't know how multi-gigabit NICs would handle this, maybe they dynamically fall-back to 5G/2.5G or 1G?)
All of this and we couldn't run an iperf test?
Cool vid...I think your video is great for us content creators. Microsoft just told me that my computer is too old to upgrade to Windows 11. I also I have ran out of space using internal.and external har drives.
The craze for buying a new NAS is....wait for it. Wait for it....10gbe! As content creators, even beyond just doing backups, we transfer large files especially video files. And with high resolution still cameras in the megapixel world, a thousand photos in raw format....those files add up in size quickly.
Some may ask....what does my rambling have to do with the video? I read a number of the comments and the tech guyz and data center guys were putting out flaws in the testing. That's cool that they wanted to see u improve the video. For me, however, the video was perfect!
I had just finished watching a bunch of videos that talked about the only way to get 10gbe is to rip out the wiring in my walls and buy all of this fancy stuff. Of course, I was thinking....Nawl...I'm good.
But it lead me to some questions....
1. Do I really need to rewire my home for this 10gbe thing.
2. Could my existing cables work?
3. What is even needed to get setup for 10gbe?
4. Do I really need a switch?
5. Does my computer need a 10gbe card?
6. What about if my cable provider does not even provide 10gbe?
7. Will this work with a NAS?
8. How many 10gbe ports that I need? So far, I have seen some routers and switches with just one 10gbe port. That does not make sense.
I can go on, buuuuuuut my only point was to say....Thank u, thank u, thank u! Thank u for doing the video as my thought was simply if I did spend the money for the 10gbe would it at least be faster than 1gbe ports that I have so I can simply move really large files i a reasonable time frame. Your video answered that and then some!
And as for the technology as a whole? It seemed like it was just enough information in the video for me to say that it is a rabbit hole kr better yet, a money pit. I could throw a bazillion dollars at this problem and still not likely to get what I need.
I will end with this...
At some point, I might need to upgrade my router...When that happens, Netgear has a router with a 10gbe port. My logic....Get a Netgear Nighthawk with 2 10gbe ports, a Synology NAS with a 10gbe port, and it would be nice if the future Dell XPS computers came with built-in 10gbe ports in addition to thunderbolt 4 and usb 4.0 with some traditional type A usb ports. Annnnnd looks like my upgrade with existing wires to 10gbe would be complete.
In either case, nice work and thanks again for sharing your experience.
Can you do a QnA please?
any 8-wire TP cable can do any speed - it just depends on how short the distance or how high the construction quality.
So yea - cat 5e can work ok for shorter distances of 10Gbit.
Of important note - you don't need a router (the most expensive part of any 10Gbit setup) if all you need is a fast link between your NAS and your main computer.
It works fine to direct-link 2 computers. (adding an override to the hosts file in windows may be needed to force the 10Gbit link to be favored for the NAS-PC route rather than your regular 1Gbit connection if that also connects to your NAS)
using SFP+ network cards secondhand from ebay you can get away with paying very little for the whole setup - depending on the cable length you need it can be cheaper than a single RJ-45 ethernet NIC. I'm not saying I necessarily recommend this for most users, but for true nerds on a budget? sure...
You didnt actually saturate the link speed and check if its stable. This isnt even 10Gbit.
On linux there is a specialized utility, iperf3, lets you benchmark network speed between two computers. Im sure Windows has something too...
Video title is misleading
Use netcat on a couple of linux boxes. Sender takes input from /dev/zero and transmits it to the receiver pc that writes it to dev/null. this way everything is done in memory on both the transmitting and receiving pc's.. Use snmp to measure IfInOctets and IfOutOctets on both pc's. This will give you a better view on the actual line speed. AND.. use UDP as protocol to get the overhead that TCP/IP has out of the equation. Better still, IPv6 using jumbo-frames is an option. More data in less packets.
Thio! This is brilliant you’re proving what I suspected but never got round to personally test out. I have been installing structured cables such as CAT5e, CAT6 and CAT6a for 20+ years and this just confirms what I have suspected all along. CAT5e is still capable providing the cable length is not too great. That the bottleneck is hardly ever going to be the CAT5E, CAT6 or CAT6a it’s going to be the network cards, switches, read/write speeds of drives and usb connections etc. Thanks for the upload. Just out of interest have you tried this test using greater cable lengths than 15m for CAT5E and CAT6? It would be interesting to know at what distance the speed starts to really drop off.
I do structured cable for a living I install a lot of network cable however I do it in commercial and Industrial applications. Ethernet is 300 feet with patch cords 328 ft. Most people forget about that part so if you're not using patch cords you can exceed that 300 ft. limit up to 328 ft. Also keep in mind that one thing that may have affected the test on the 5e cabling in the walls is the jacks and Patch panels whenever you're using a RJ45 connector and a jack and Patch cords you will have more loss due to the connection points then. simply using a cat 6 patch cord made of solid wire makes a difference. because most patch cords you bye are made from Stranded cable which actually has a higher amount of loss than solid wire but are more suitable for patch cords because they are more flexible in the wire is less likely to break. One thing that may help is by replacing the jacks and Patch panels and Patch cords with Cat6 components and leaving the wire in the walls.
Some manufacturers have cable that will exceed those limits there's a company called ber-tek that makes a Cat6 cable that has a maximum length of 344 ft. With a maximum overall length of 372 ft. This is a expensive high-end cable. Also most people do not realize there are different grades of Cat6 in the industry. The main application for Cat6 cabling is poe. The gauge of the wire is a half a gauge larger then 5e or 23 in a half. 5e is 23 gauge wire. Cat 3 wire which is regular phone UTP cable is 24 gauge So it can carry more power. They will soon be approving if they have not already 60 in 100 watt power over ethernet. Imagine being able to charge your laptop simply using the ethernet port. The main problem with running 10 gigabit over 5e cable or Cat6 cable is what we in the industry call alien crosstalk. Which occurs when you have a large number of cables that come together at a point and run for a distance together that are all different lengths which creates amplitude differences which can create interference from an adjacent cable due to amplitude differences. So to fix this problem there is a cable called cat6a which will allow for 10 gig up to 300 feet with cat6a patch cords 328 ft. And if you're not exceeding these long distances and do not have a lot of cabling in your house you will probably be okay with a 5e cabling or a 6 cable. Which the test have pretty much showing that you've done Because alien crosstalk occurs under certain conditions that usually do not happen with a small number of cables that are relatively short in length. One other thing to keep in mind 10 base t 100 base t 1000 base t or 10g base T are methods of transmitting across ethernet and they operate within certain parameters which means it doesn't matter if you're using the full capacity or not the cable has to be Suited for the standard you're trying to send across it.
At 8 bits per byte, 400 MB/s = 3.2 gbit (plus a bit of overhead). So, it's nowhere near 10 gbit.
Actually I expected these results.
The network cables doesn't have active components (on the other hand the SFP one does, i think), they're just copper wires, so they don't have something like a speed limiter according each CAT
Great vid!
Cat 5e can run 10Gb at up to 10 meters about 30 ft. Problem with it is cost of a switch is high. If you are doing a true SAN you can get a fiber connection card and if under 9 meters fiber you do not need the extra connectors. You are actually negotiated at 10Gbs, but your actual transfers are around 6 to 8Gb. At 40 meters you will not get consistant transfers at 10Gb.
I did some speed tests today, I'm doing 1GByte/sec transfer speed (10Gbps) from Nvme to Nvme through a "Mikrotik RJ45 10GB Switch" using 10 years old Cat 5e cables.
So there is no way I'll be buying expensive Cat6 cables in a near future. Thanks for the video!
Here's something to think about. Interference can be a problem in older homes. If your wiring internet into your home, just bite the bullet and put in the best Ethernet cable of the time. Right now in 2020 cat7 is the best you can get. Maybe in the future we'll have cat8 or even cat10. But if you don't want to spend the money for the best, one thing to consider is the age of your home. If your house was built in the 50's or 60's, the house wiring can cause problems if it's still using older electrical wiring since grounding wasn't always required and especially if your home still uses that old knob and tube wiring. The Ethernet cables with the better shielding might be best. My house was built in 1916 and had electric added later on. I use the better shielded Ethernet cables because of this. If your in a newer home, electrical interference might not be as bad.
Thio Joe I have been given Cat 5E cable & approximately 20 meters from a friend of mine & happens to be a IT man & he set up the Tenda AC23 AC2100 Wifi Router Repeater unit & from the fiber wifi unit to the Router there is about 7meters of the Cat 5E cable & the rest of the Cat 5E cable is is just rolled up & not cut off as it is still connected & I will do a test how the the Wifi Tenda AC23 AC2100 Wifi Router Repeater unit is performing starting off with 2.4GHz Band 46.7 Mbps Download & Upload is 40 Mbps & the Ping is 30 ms & the Jitter is 8 ms & the Loss _____% & the Speed is 144 Mbps at 100% & the Ping 41.1 ms & 8.79 Mbps Download & Upload is 2.04 ms & the Test for 5.0GHz 88.3 Mbps Download & Upload 93.1 Mbps & the Ping is 5ms & the Jitter is 2 ms & the Loss 0.0% & the Speed is 585 Mbps at 100% & the Ping is 29.5 ms & the download is 9.94 Mbps & Upload is 4.32 Mbps & so Thio Joe what do you think of these figures from using Cat 5E cable & at a later date I a
Will be moving the Tenda AC23 AC2100 Wifi Router Repeater unit to more back of the house in the Hallway as I'm getting way too much Wifi Signal at the front of the house as the Wifi Signal is going well over across the road to the neighbors property across the road & its quite a strong Signal to but I'm not get much Signal at the back of the house in so moving the Tenda AC23 AC2100 Wifi Router Repeater unit towards the back of the house I should get a better Wifi Signal Coverage Range at the back of the section of my property Kind Regards Peter
RJ45 10G switch are NOT cheap. RJ45 10G network card are NOT cheap. Rj45 cables are cheap.
SFP+ DAC cable are cheap (max 7 meters). aver 7 meres they are more expensive, SFP+ card can be bought for around 30$ on ebay used or around 120new on amazon. SFP+ swtich can be bought for around 150$ (ther is one fro 130$ on amazon with 4 ports)
sorry but you talk rubbish
SFP+ DACs are cheaper then cat6A cards, not to mention cables
you can get SFP+ Fiber modules and MMF OM2 or OM3 cable and still get it cheaper then CAT6A
a comparison
Broadcom BCM957810 SFP+ card is below £100
cheap SFP+ 10GbE SW LC is below £5
you sam get 15M OM3 cable for £15
total for 2 dual port cards is £250
same card with RJ45 is £350
cat6A 8p8c is £1
cat6A cable is at least £1 a meter
total
£732
you an get 3 times as much of hardware with SFP+ connectors as with RJ45 for same amount of money
Cat5E is the best overall for MOST applications ... Think about it, how many people today in 2020 are transferring files between computers or between computers and an NAS ... less than 1% ... Laptops, desktops and NAS are a thing of the past. 99% of the population do EVERYTHING on their smartphone ... And EVERYTHING in their house is WiFi .... 1% of the people are running CAT5 in their homes to a switch or modem. 99% are doing everything over WiFi because its EASY ...