DSB IC 1st class train review : This DMU/EMU has impressed me so far...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ม.ค. 2020
- EUROPEAN TRAIN TRIP #22
Hi everyone, welcome to this trip report bound to Flensburg with DSB and their funny Class MF trains. First trip report in Denmark
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- TRIP INFORMATION -
Railway company: DSB
Train type : First leg IR4 (Electric) Second leg IC3 (Diesel)
From : Copenhagen to Flensburg
Duration : 3h11
Price : 79,49€
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Glad you enjoyed the trip. It was a pleasure having you on board!
Then you might be able to optimize your "S-Tog" (in English S-Train) so that people could be just as happy with them
It's always delayed on friday between 14:30 and 15:30
@@ViktorFromDK I don't think the PR worker working the youtube channel has much say on that ^^
@@ViktorFromDK how many minutes of delay?
I always love European trains, I have never ridden one but I am sure the first one I ride will be in Denmark, and the first one I ride will be this awesome yet funny looking train!! Good work, the USA sucks at Public Transport, but it is slowly improving.
It’s also common to see the IR4 (electric) and the IC3 (diesel) running/coupled together as a single train. This is an unique feature. And of course, you can walk through both of them when they are couple together. A maximum of 5 units can be coupled together. This is the maximum amount that the train computer 'understands' . All IR4, IC3 and the little brother, IC2 (2 unit local train, diesel) were all designed and built in Randers, Denmark. The IC3 top speed is officially 180 km/h although, they have reached 220 km/h during testing back in the days.
Yes and I think that was done with the old V8 engines and not the newer, ligther and more powerful V6 turbos the IC3s have now so if the test was repeated now they should be able to do a little more since I belive power per trainset has now been increased with 200 hp as well as lower weight.
The SNCB AM96 was based on the IC3 and is nicknamed 'Danish nose' here in Belgium 😉
Yeah, or "toilet seat" :o
The EMU''s were originally built as a regional train (IR4 = InterRegio with 4 coaches, IC3 = InterCity with 3 coaches). The EMU's are currently used in long distance services, but still have the same regional configuration.
this train seems very uncomfortable
@@blista2 no it's not these trains are actually really okay.
@@Trainviking this train is very loud, the middle corridor seems narrow, it has no low floor section (or high platform sections at the stations) so people with wheelchairs can't entrance, the interior design comes from the 90s and there is no space inside. The keyword to describe this train: "Metrowagonmash Mytishchi"
@@blista2 The IR4s and IC3s were supposed to be replaced by the AnsaldoBreda IC4s by now on the main services.
@@erik_griswold Did you change an EMU to a DMU??
My favorite part of these trains is that when they are coupled, you can walk from one train to another right through the cab sections
Really? I'm taking the train daily and haven't noticed it
@@maslygan Next time you ride IC3/IR4 in a coupled configuration, try and push the button next to the drivers door between the train sets. Door will open and you can walk through the drivers areas (The entire front with cab and chair are pushed to the side) and into the other train set.
@@RickiEgholm I can see that when i look through the window of the driver cabin, but i just never noticed it before, nor did i notice a button on the inside doors. I might be blind though. I take the train every morning at like 7 am. so its kinda early and many peoples :D So im probably more focused on getting a seat :p
It is the entire reason they even have the rubber rings on the front. When coupled they from a seal and thus allow safe passage between sets, its incredibly unique.
I love those IC3 sets! So, so comfy and warm, the compartments are divided up so much it's very quiet and comfortable.
The first class seats in the IC3 diesel trains are 5 cm (2 inch) wider than the other seats. And have seperate armrests for every seat. The extra 5 cm means a lot comfort-wise.
4:32 it’s actually for the cleaners so they can easily vacuum there
4:30 No. Nobody would lift the table for that purpose. The purpose is for easier cleaning of the train.
About the seats: The IR4 EMU was originally intended for short regional trains, thus the harder seats in 2nd class - which don't recline. They also squeezed more seats into some IR4 such that they aren't synchronized with the windows any more.
Basically, IR4 2nd class seats are basic. IR4 1st class seats (and some quiet zones too) are identical to IC3 2nd class seats. IC3 first class seats are wider, but otherwise almost the same than 2nd class seats. I myself wouldn't pay extra for 1st class in Denmark.
Yeah DSB in recent years has put their 1st class priorities into the soft product (Lounge access, extra service, food and what not) rather than into its seats. Even on their new Talgo trains it seems like they're gonna use the same seats for standard class and first class
They look cute
Those first class seats are actually really common in most trains I've been on in Denmark, for all classes.
Best train seats I've ever experienced
In Germany the Train has the Secondname "Gumminase" becaus of the Black Part on the Front
Rubber nose? 🤣
Or "Weißwurst" (white sausage).
That black part is a diaphragm for sealing the gangway when 2 train sets are coupled
Hahah I love that!
I was told that the shape actually build up an invicible cone of air once in speed to get aerodynamic
Nice trip report! Did that trip last summer and really liked DSB's 1st class. Also running a little late on my way to Fredericia. The train didn't wait as there weren't as many passengers during the pandemic. Had to spring really hard and jumped into the connecting train to Flensburg literally last second.
The Paris Metro used to have first and second classes. Reportedly the accomodation was identical. An Internet pricing proposal called "Paris Metro pricing" is based on the same idea.
The IC3 DMU’s are currently being refurbished, but it looks like you were not fortunate enough to ride one of them. Also, fun fact, there is a single IC3 painted red riding around Denmark. It has been called “The One and Only”.
yes i know ive seen it two times. and the ic3 operates on my local line
@@katrineflenstrm7873 and now there is also a Class ER train (IR4) in red :)
I took this train once over the Vogelfluglienie from Hamburg to Copenhagen, the highlight of this trip was the train ferry between Puttgarden and Roedby
What a cool journey! I'm impressed by these trains. Nice roomy vestibules. The drinks vending machines: wow!! And also wow at the journey over the sea! 8:34 Sea buckthorn chocolate coated liquorice?! Fancy!! Also, the carriages have a cosy, room-like feel.
Class MF is a IC3. IR4 is a Class ER
Great video! Finally someone doing train trip reports in denmark!
Can you visit "Nächster Halt" 😅
He already has 😅
Haha
Perhaps you live in the town of Ausfahrt?
It the village in Austria that is the f word.
Go check it in google maps
I so wanted to visit the very common German town of Ausfahrt.
Fun fact. All but one (train 5096) of the 96 IC3 trains DSB have in service are adopted by a town/city and named after something/someone important from that town/city. 4 of them are adopted by cities/towns outside of Denmark, three in Germany and one in Sweden. Train 5058 is adopted by Flensburg, 5076 by Lübeck, 5083 by Hamburg and 5090 by Ystad. Before the renovations all trains featured art work, often made by local artists, and often the art was in relation to the person/thing the train was named after. Sadly DSB have decided to remove the art as it was too expensive to maintain. There's a plaque at each door with information about that specific train's history and it's name. Most are only in Danish but some also have one in English and German
I took them on a day trip from Copenhagen to Kolding and Kolding - Copenhagen, so comfortable and smooth, the second class actually felt like first
Its nice you are liking our trains from denmark. I was waiting for your opinion on our danish trains a bit now but it was the time worth. Big like from me (im from denmark😁)
0:38 the art that the blonde girl looking at you ^^ awesome video! saluts from switzerland
I'm pretty sure those aren't chocolate peanuts since they were made by lakrids. They make chocolate covered liquorice.
My first trip to Denmark was in 1985 and the trains still used the ferries between islands. It took quite a time to get between Copenhagen and Ålborg.
Yes. ! I miss the old system of train going on board ferry ..
This journey is on my bucket list of train journeys I must do
Copenhagen Station looks pleasant. There's a little model railway built into a wall at Debrecen Station in Hungary.
As a train conductor myself in Norway i hope you will visit Norway some day. Great stuff.👍👍👍
Yeah Norway would be cool.
I haven't been there during my rail trip, but it's on my bucket list.
You are welcome to the Bergen Railway. My workplace.❤
@@SimplyRailway Are you from Denmark?
@@Ahuntsicspotter France
nice review, loved it : )
some of the IR4 s (EMU) have the ic3 firstclass seating for 1 class and the ic 3 2 class seating for the silent zone
Awesome and thanks 🙏 .
That stock was base to do the serie 594 of Renfe
Another great trip report. - Heinz
Have just found this channel...I love your reviews.. hopefully you will also visit Asia in the future because we have so many good trains and splendid scenery..
Btw I have travelled the same route on DSB, only all the way to Hamburg in 2nd class in summer of 2019, which included the need to transfer in Fredericia as well. The seat formation was a bit odd, like commuter train or subway seats, with seat rows along the train wall. And the electric socket was way too high up the wall, which left my phone hanging while it was charged. Too bad you did not visit the 2nd "commuter" class.
Looking forward to your next trip. Stay safe and healthy!
I used to live and work in Copenhagen, or commute over the Öresund bridge from Malmö to Copenhagen. This video was both full of memories and trauma lol I don’t know how many times I’ve had to wait for late trains at Copenhagen central station, or dash through as speedy Gonzales like as I could muster to try to catch my connection. And yes, Copenhagen central station is a very busy station, both a lot of intercity and international trains, and commuters who are working in the city center or the suburbs. I worked in a suburb and had to transfer to S-tog at Copenhagen central station. As for the spray paint vandalism, it’s not a train in Denmark if it doesn’t have graffiti in it or on it, or both 😂 And also, at least one toilet on the train has to be out of commission (preferably with leaks out into the corridors) for a complete experience 😂
Drink vending machines is a great idea, great video as always looks like a well ran company
Trust me, it's really not. And the infrastructure manager, Banedanmark is even worse. It's only in the very recent times that DSB has managed to turn around to become slightly better, experimenting with a new onboard food/coffee service on select services just before COVID-19 (and as of now returning in a little over a week), introducing a new station cafe/communal meetup concept on stations not large enough to warrant a full kiosk (based on the "Stations Huiskamer" by NS of the Netherlands), and the introduction of the Orange Fri ticket, which works like a cheaper, slightly flexible off peak ticket. As long as they continue in this direction and Banedanmark keeps to their plans with the upgrading and repair works then we should finally be able to have trains and railways we can be proud of again soon.
This channel reminds me of "Simply Aviation" :)
Every week new surprise from you. :)
Just a pity that on the first train, you didn't do a walk through the whole composition. I suppose there were more than just one IR4 in the consist, and if you have walked further, you would have seen a curious thing. In these "Gumminase" trains the whole driver's cab could be pulled inside the train, making a walking connection betwen the coupled units.
According to the monitor at 2:35 there were 1xIR4 EMU and 3xIC3 DMU's in the train. The IR4 was detached in Fredericia and was terminating there. One of the IC3's was also detached in Fredericia and continued to "Thisted". Another IC3 was detached in Aarhus where the train changes direction, and the last IC3 drove all the way to Aalborg.
In 1963 rode the Littorina from Asmara to Massawa and back! It was self containedo, air conditioned with all windows open from Asmara at 7,400 ft to Massawa at the Red Sea in 60 miles. Asmara Eritrea bounds with Italian engineering and architecture! US Army 4th US Army Security Agency Field Station (long gone), Asmara Eritrea Federated with Ethiopia! They still operate steam and MTU’s once and awhile!
First impression, it's like Jakarta Kota station in Indonesia. The interior is so similar
Nice scenic trip report
Interesting video. Did you know that the IC3 type was built from 1989 (in service from 1990), and that very little has changed since then? There were a lot of jokes about the automatic doors in the beginning, but in the 30+ years of service, it has grown on us, and it just keeps working. And still has that feel of being ahead of its time. Alas the factory that built them no longer exists. The Italian produced IC4 successor to IC3 was extremely delayed, and most units were just standing still in Aarhus for years while waiting for fixes and acceptance.
We had these diesel trains in sweden when i was a kid. I remeber they were very comfy. They were repaced when the railway was electrified with more commuter style trains.
I belive they were called Y2 in sweden.
Sounds right. I believe they were called "Kustpilen".
One of these trainsets, one that was once involved in an accident and therefore written off, is now being used for evacuation drills. It is placed inside a "fake" train tunnel at the fire department's training grounds in Korsør.
Great video!!!!
Fun fact: like Københaven H, Antalya airport also has a model (well its 1990's)
The exterior remembers me to the Renfe's TRD service
Good train trip! Regards!
The cars look a lot like Daimler's Flexliner cars we rode in 1996. They were not electric but direct drive diesel through an automatic transmission. We got to see them here on the west coast and rode them on a demo from Santa Barbara to San Luis Obispo, then on to Paso Robles. The equipment had no trouble climbing the grade and it was very nice but did sound like a bus because the engines were underneath the cars. Great for commuter equipment, we could see that some day.
They are the ic3s / MF
On the danish model train layout there was an austrian locomotive
I honestly expect nothing but a slightly pricey, but modern and comfortable train between countries like Denmark and Germany. The little kiosk things are a bit surprising.
AM 96 is based on this train. But remember to bring your own snacks. There is no catering in second class altough some trains have a vending machine for coffee and soda as you can see.
Happy New Year. These special electric multiple units were built by ABB/ Bombardier Transportation as Contessa train sets, and can operate between Denmark and Sweden 25kV AC/ 15 kV AC supplies.
No, that's the X31K. The IR4 can only operate in Denmark.
At 1:04 the "i fart" elevator!! (Means "in motion" or "in service" in the Danish).
Simillar lifts are in flats, yep. Our elevator is an old, communistic, "in service" (with a door handle), crane lift.
🤣😂😂
Great!
superb video bro👈
Lived in Denmark my entire life and only just now I found out there’s a DSB lounge.
If you enjoyed this, just wait until you see the (quite similar) Krösatågen Y2 between Linköping and Kalmar. I have personally never ridden on one, but from images I’ve seen it may be one of the most comfortable DMUs I’ve ever seen!
6:30 You should find trains that cross the Øresund Bridge and they are very scenic
So lovely 🥰
Je suis le seul à avoir remarqué l’Airbus A350 d’Air France a 5:04
I am the only who have seen the Air France A350 at 5:04
Belle vidéo
Great video
Not-so-fun fact: The IC3 series is known to have issues regarding on-board fires, to the point where Israel Railways, an operator of the IC3, temporarily shut down its fleet to investigate the source of the fires.
5:55 these guys on the right having a smash brothers battle
The ic3 always unlocks the doors before the train stops that means yuo can open the door before the train has fully stopped
We used to have these trains in spain, "Serie 594". Apparently they were one of the worst purchases Renfe could´ve done, they constantly overheated under our sun, damaging electronics and engines and had to be retired early/refurbished. As a kid I found the rubber front funny though. Good memories
Ouch I'm so sorry. Considering what us Danes have gone through with the Italian built IC4 trains, then I'm sorry that we did the same mistake towards you guys. That was truly a bummer on our end.
Originally, the IC3 DMU's were fitted with air-cooled engines, which likely wasn't a suitable solution for operation in countries further south. Today, these DMU's have been refitted with water-cooled engines, which probably would have been a better solution for operation in Spain.
Fedt.
Hit me up next time you visit Copenhagen, i'll give you some information about the things you don't see as a regular passenger, us nerds have to make some co op some times!
I call these things squishy bois because of the ends
What is "bois"?
Yes. I have felt on one of the ends of an X31 operated by Öresundståg. A operator going between southern sweden and copenhagen. It is rubber ends.
Peter Riis bois
They are used to seal both trainsets together
I'm second viewer and happy journey to you
Happy friday!
Thx, happy friday u2
LAKRIDS BY BÜLOW - I’m sure they had some chocolate covered liquorice in that little bag 😊
Fedt at se en video om danske toge
In Spain that train is diésel and 2 wagon only
At 2:19 the livery looks like the 2nd livery of french suburban trains.
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A 2:19 on dirait un peu la première livrée Île de France ça me fait penser a un RER...
I mean it's their 1998 livery design. Since then they tried to replace the green door stripes with red ones but decided to drop that. It's the plan that all the coaches will be repainted in a new livery of Red, Black window stripe and grey doors. But due to limited funds, the repainting and interior refurbishment of these coaches have been postponed. So far only 1 IC3 set that was repaired following an accident and a few of Copenhagen's S train (Basically DSB's version of RER) units have been repainted in the new style.
I saw the train arrive and thought it was a modernized metroliner from the U.S lol
Me too. Lol. Prob was the carriage stainless steel exterior.
Merci J'aurais aimé un trip report un peu plus long de 5 minutes environ, surtout pour 2 trains, mais bon. C'est très bien comme ça.
Trains like the IR4, IC3 and X31 are often called ”Snail Trains”.
Was the toilets nicer in the second train ?
They fold the tables up for cleaning
Since when where the IC3's Electric as they are DMU's and i can't find info about them being ran by electricity or did u just get on the IR4
You should try Russian sleeping cars, like EN 453 or R 408. :D
Is it possible to chose your seat online when booking ticket in danish intercity trains?
Did you know that you get a full Breakfast if you are Traveling with Dsb in the morning in first Class
What's really disappointing about DSB 1' is that it has 2+2 seating. As far as I'm concerned, being able to sit alone is the main benefit of the first class. If I'm gonna end up packed with other people, I might as well be in the second class and save some money :/
Danish trains have always been extremely comfortable. I remember our old locomotive-hauled InterCity stock, which had 1st class style seats in the 2nd class compartments. We also had a collection of about 15 coaches that were built as 1st class coaches during the 50´s. DSB then refurbished them during the 80's, giving them airline-style seats. During the same period we also had the experimental IC5 train that came with an onboard conference room, and we had the danish version of the german TEE dmu. Overall we danes have always been spoiled when it comes to trains. =) When we got the german doubledecker coaches and Desiro sets, DSB actually had to add extra padding to the seats because the standard seats used on 2nd class in german trains was too uncomfortable for the danish commuters.
We may have comfort, but we definitely do not have reliability, service and value.
Tomáš Palíšek True, DSB is bad and uncomfortable
@Tomáš Palíšek The IC3 and IR4 are alright. It's their at the time planned replacement, the IC4 that is the real devil here.
True, the IC4 was a step down when it came to comfort, especially due to the noise level which can be torture. Sadly we no longer have Scania to design new trains...
Yeah, I mean that's not even mentioning that the IC4 is absolute trash when it comes to reliability. And yeah, it's sad what happened to Scandia. Got absorbed into Adtranz and then after that into Bombardier, and looking at it, then Bombardier ain't doing so good right now, with EMUs that that aren't as reliable as their competitors and passing deadlines for delivery. But we'll see what the future holds for DSB. We should soon hear the results of the tender for new coaches for the Hamburg trains, and if everything sticks to schedule (which I doubt it will but whatever) then this summer we should hear what the new domestic trains are gonna be. The contestants as of now seem to be the Alstom Coradia Stream (Like the ICNG at NS), The Stadler FLIRT/KISS (Like the Nordbahn, and Mälartåg trains), and the Bombardier Talent (See ÖBB Cityjet), based on the requirements and preferences of DSB with this tender, seeking a fast 200km/h train suitable for both intercity and regional services.
Yous should try out Finnish intercity/pendolino/allegro trains.
Very fine, love from India and Indian peapal,me
2:29 And with good reason since its rolling stock leased from DB :)
The first batch from 2002 was leased from Porterbrook and the second batch from 2009 was leased from Railpool. DSB bought the second batch from Railpool in 2012 and the first batch from Porterbrook in 2014.
Yeah. The reason they did it was that at the turn of the millennium it was the plan that when the IC4's would enter service, they would displace the IC3's from Intercity routes onto regional services where they would replace the aging 1970's push pull trains. But then The IC4's entry into service got delayed so these coaches were leased as a stop gab. Then when the IC4's finally entered service they were quite unreliable, so DSB leased more as their 1970's coaches couldn't hold on for longer. And when the IC4's turned out to just be incredibly poorly designed they purchased all their leased wagons as they realized it would no longer be just a stop gab.
The first class seats here are the standard seats Israeli Railways have on their IC3s. Actually when it comes to Israeli Railways they got only single class seating.
Does anyone know of trains with folding cabs like this that were made post 2002?
Those Danish trains are really most comfortable and spacy. (But you should have shown more of the baltic sea.)
The train was drivning away from the Baltic Sea, on this trip the train crosses the Great Belt Strait and the Little Belt Strait (not shown in this video)
@SteelRodent Of course they do.
It seems you didn't 'see the problems for the praise': Also the Fredericia - Flensburg section is electrified, so why don't they use an eletric train there too? Because DSB has so far not managed to get enough dual-mode trains that can also run on the very last bit of the line, ie from the border to Flensburg, given that Germany uses a lower voltage than Denmark. But that should be solved in a few more years .)
Fun fact: Belgian MS/AM 96 have the nickname "Deense Neus" Danish nose in English.
Mostbeautifullcountery
Can you do more trips in UK and England particularly the south west like Bristol and north like Scotland or something
Edit: Also maybe Arriva Trains Wales (transport for Wales)
How many hours will it takes from Denmark to Germany? Thanks
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The Electric train is not MF. It is ER and ER/IR4 have not same seats som IC3 har (Sorry for my dårlig english)
But very good video
@@HoaNguyen-bd3th No in norweargin......
How useful is it to have power sockets way up under the luggage racks? My charger cable is nowhere near long enough to reach that, you'd have to be standing up to reach it
The trains where developed in the 1980's. It's kinda surprising that they thought of fitting power sockets in trains back then.
Just either take a longer chord, or put your phone in thee luggage rack while charging. You don't *need* to have your phone charging the whole trip.
It's already a very nice service to have charging ports, don't start complaining about chord lengths...
It's a rather common set-up on trains designed in the late 80's and the 90's. It's the same on the Finnish single-deck IC carriages.
Works fine with all of my laptop chargers. Even the short macbook chargers reach the table from up there. There’s even enough cable left, to tuck it to the side, so you can enjoy the view.
My phone chargers work fine with that too. The cables there are long enough to place the phone on the table, while it’s plugged in.
Source: I ride those trains twice a day.
and two while watching the vid i found out that u were on the IR4. IC3 & IR4 are different.