I had the Master System version, which was released here as Monica no Castelo do Dragão (Monica in the Dragon's Castle,) with TecToy change for characters best known in Brazil. I amused myself with this game.
+Daniel Paes Cuter Ah yes, I've seen that version. I always thought Tec Toy didn't put much effort in to their sprite hacks. The replaced character of Monica looks odd.
@@RetroCore TecToy didn't make much effort to alter Wonder Boy in Monster Land because it was the very first time they made a game like that. In the follow-up, Turma da Mônica, O Resgate (a hack of Wonder Boy III), they made a little more effort having more of the characters of Monica's Gang in it, but in a very odd way - every transformation of the main character is replaced by Cebolinha, Bidu, Chico Bento, or Magali, starting the game with Mônica (Cascão is just a salesperson, because he hates having a shower). You can see a progression in TecToy's works... Then you have the bizarre version of Street Fighter II and the rest is history...
+Retro Core Another significant change to the computer ports outside Japan was the final level was simplified considerably. It is a linear and straightforward stage, instead of a labyrinth.
Yeah, the arcade original, SMS, and PCE ports had a labyrinth you had to correctly navigate (while time kept depleting between sections). Not sure if Saiyki World is the same, but I know for certain the ST and Amiga ports at least made it linear.
Wonder Boy in Monsterland on arcade was the most amazing game I had ever seen at the time. When I later saw it for the C64 I had to buy it. I still have both the game and my C64.
Back in the days My dad got me a Sega Master System 1 console and 3 games with it being Double Dragon , Wonder Boy and this Wonder Boy in MonsterLand I spent so many hours playing Wonder Boy in MonsterLand with my cousin great memories oh and later on when Wonder Boy 3 Dragon Trap came out got that too such a great game too for the master system.
All Wonderboy games were fantastic on the Master System. Such great games. I remember being amazed with the parallax stars at the end of Wonderboy 3 for some reason.
Wow, the PC engine version is almost pixel perfect. Also, I didn't know there was a C64 version, my 11 old years self would have gone crazy for playing it, was and still is one of my favourites arcades of all time. Thanks for the video again!
Mark Smith: Saiyūki World on the Famicom was developed by Jaleco. Me: Wrong, it was developed by NMK of Thunder Dragon, Hacha Mecha Fighter and Zed Blade fame.
This one brings back memories. And I can still relive those memories because I purchased this on PSN for my PS3 a few years ago! Even my son likes it!( Although he is obsessed with Minecraft) Definitely a classic that's just as good now as when I first played it 30 years ago. I know this was a flagship title for the Master System, but I never saw or played it, but it actually looks and sounds better than the arcade! I did have the C64 version, it was pretty good
One of my favourite games series of all time, i'd put it up there with the Sonic, Mario and Zelda games and really should be rebooted or remade. I had the Master System version and it was never out of my console till i'd finished it. I actually never knew, or didn't think, there was home computer ports, or a NES port of Monsterland.
+Craig Wilson I was surprised to know t here were home computer ports too. I've known about the NES version for many years but it wasn't until last moth did I find out about the European home computer versions.
Can remember playing the sequel, The Dragons Curse on a mates borrowed game gear when i was younger and in hospital for a few days. It really made the time fly in. Even now i have all the wonderboy games on my smartphone and are a great little distraction on the bus.
Sega: Excuse me, but how can we put our Wonder Boy game in the PC Engine and in the NES? Hudson Soft & Jaleco: Let's change the title and change the characters.
The reason for the changes in "Bikkuriman World" was due to the ownership of the Wonder Boy characters belonging to Sega, but Westone still had rights to the game itself, hence why Hudson Soft went with a different IP to promote, as well as giving us "Master Higgins" in Adventure Island.
+Christopher Sobieniak Yep, this is 100% right. Stupidly though Hudson kept changing the characters. Wonder Boy III should have kept the Bikuriman theme but they changed it yet again.
Retro Core I suppose they couldn't get the same group involved again (the first game had a TV station and Toei involved since I think an anime was out that year with the characters).
Actually the translated arcade was released, this is what I plaued growing up in my country Greece. I srill remember the sphinx asking questions like "what did I eat last night?" and some other translation errors like "someone be beyond this wall" on the first hidden door before second boss...
Dafuk, that moment when you knock at doors is quite priceless, why they removed it on PC Engine?! Anyway I also can't stand the characters change and same goes for Dynastic Hero on PC Engine CD where the hero wears a dumb-looking bettle suit (among others changes...). The Master System version of Wonder Boy in Monster Land is good from what I've played and I love the new music! (some sound effects also sound great)
It's very impressive how close to the original is the PC Engine port. I think they might use the same code of the arcade with just a few minor changes. A pity that it lacks some sprites and other features from the arcade. Even so, it's the best port and they even fixed the bug regarding the coins.
After looking up the Famicom game, I believe it was actually released in the US as the title "Whomp 'Em", which had all the Chinese story elements replaced with that of a Native American theme for the US audience, and the music was also different as well.
Not really, Whomp 'Em is based off the second Saiyuuki World, which is not the game featured in this video. The first Saiyuuki World is indeed based off Wonder Boy in Monster Land.
+Retro Core Try CPCE95. And just drag the game file onto the EXE icon. It will auto start & should be pre configured. Might help. :) cpce.emuunlim.com/
Hello mark released alongside the pc engine console in 1987 bikkuriman world and shanghai is an earlier game that released as a launch title for the system
Awesome stuff buddy :) wonderboy in monsterland on the sms is my fav game of all time. the Japanese version sounds quite different and the first boss needs a few more hits
+steve36207 Yeah, the sound on the Japanese version is different due to the use of the FM sound chip in the Japanese Master System. Did you know that the FM sound code is actually in the western version of the game too! If you mod a western Master System you can play many western games with the better FM audio.
+MrDerOutsider That's so true. Also many a time the C64 port is programmed by a completely different developer than all the other European home computers.
Natural result of not having a Z80, I feel. Too often, the CPC and MSX got ZX Spectrum ports in color. Because of the different processor, that short cut wasn't available for the C64.
we need more WB now =D, i remember how WB was a SEGA STAR just before Alex Kidd & after Fantasy Zone ! the beginning of a solid video-game evolution :)
Master System port is superb, looks better than the arcade actually :D, the pc engine is pretty nice too. This 60fps feature is the coolest thing ever, great show!
This is actually one of the Amiga games I enjoyed. Naturally the loading times really damaged the game. A later hacked version to work on A1200 actually worked like a charm on this department - and made it slightly more enjoyable. After knowing the arcade original it seems to me that the Amiga could deliver more. Again an ST port, but still a good one. My 1st version was the ZX one, and actually I liked it back then - I never had played the arcade game. My friend bought the C64, unfortunately never could make it work - traded for Power Drift (great game on C64!). The PC engine is so weird and the NES... well are you sure it's even a remote inspiration port of wonderboy????
+Hard Wired The Famicom game is the same game. The reason for the style change is the same reson why the PC Enging game had it's characters changed. Sega own the rights to the Wonderboy name and character. Hudson have the rights to the game but not the character. They can use the same game but just change the characters. Jaleco own no rights at all so they changed everything but still used the level designs for the most part.
+RetroCore You should do a minecraft ports. Due to quite the most interesting when it comes to its ports and what they fuck up and succeed on. Even though... It is not an arcade game or a PC one.
Probably my favorite arcade game of all time. Not a quarter muncher at all. I remember most people after playing it for a while could clear it on one credit. I got a weird bootleg pcb of this game with messed up engrish translations. I'm not sure if there was ever a legitimate western release of this game in the arcades. Even the game i originally played as a child in Europe was in Japanese. Does'nt matter, it's fun regardless what language it's in.
PCE version is stil the most faithful to the arcade version gameplay, layout & sound wise, only a shame that Sega didn't allow Hudson to use the Wonder Boy IP...then again I can understand why...after all which company would license a game to a rival company if they knew in advance it would be better than on their own home system...lucky for us, Westone owns the engine and can use it as they want as long as they change the characters :p :p
My first try was on my cpc, poor zx port. Same goes for the later approach on my amiga, st port with no use of amiga's chipset thus st was a bit faster. SMS is a great port.
+Vincent GR I really don't like how the sound effects were done on the ST and Amiga. It sounds so bad as if they just played the arcade samples then recorded them with a tape recorder. The sound effects are not direct analoge or digital samples for sure. You can tell, they have that classic tape recorder shallowness to them.
Retro Core Some games are using sound generator on the amiga but this is propably sampled from the arcade. But on the atari I think it is generated from YM.
@@RetroCore I believe it was reverse engineered, rather than emulation. But the way you can flick between retro visuals and audio and modern visuals and audio independently and at any time is incredible If you look at the modern artwork and animations, there's no way that can just be a filter over the original SMS code.
The Amiga 500 conversion should have been arcade perfect - there is no excuse for such sloppy coding. BC Kid shows how a colourful platformer can run on the Amiga at 50fps with vibrant music and sound effects. The C64 version is actually pretty decent and in some ways I prefer the music over the arcade and also the more tactile feel against the bosses (such as in their recoil).
I can't remember off the top of my head without watching the video. Unfortunately I'm on the train right now with no WiFi so I can't check out the video. I suggest using your smartphone and taking a picture of the title screen text to translate it in to romanized letters.
+BlockABoots It's on the cards :) But I want footage from the IOS version which I once had. So far I have the Arcade, VHD (Works with MSX computers), Saturn, PlayStation, Mega CD (Best audio out of all versions) and SFC / SNES versions. They are all the same apart from the Mega CD thanks to the remade audio by Wolf Team so I guess those ports would be judged upon how complete they are and the graphical overlays. The ISO graphical overlay is crap. Looks like a nasty bit of microsoft paint art. The Mega Cd version is missing any crash animations.
Hmm i think your getting mixed up with Road Avenger for the Mega-CD??...as im sure Road Blasters wasnt out on the Mega-CD, Road Blasters made by Atari1??. The SNES version is a totally different from the arcade version also...again i think thats Road Avenger, maybe its name was different in Japan?. I think the MegaDrive had one of the best versions of Road Blasters but it was missing any speech which was odd
+BlockABoots Ah, yes I was. Road Avenger in Japan is called Road Blaster FX and Cobra Command was called Thunder Storm FX. They changed the names for the western release. I know the Atari Road Blasters. I own the Mega Drive version by Tengen. Yeah, I think that would be a great one to cover. I'll add it to the list. The next show is almost complete however so maybe in a few weeks time I'll do Road Blasters.
@@RetroCore Hey thanks for the reply I figured you'd not respond to such an old video. And thanks for the putting in the effort it takes to put all these games head to head. Anyhow here's your capture of the Amiga port: th-cam.com/video/0nVvnzPDq44/w-d-xo.html vrs The Amiga CD32 Alpha port: th-cam.com/video/PQkQCR122kI/w-d-xo.html As you can see the art is better on the CD32 especially in the sand and cactus's....as well it looks like it runs a bit faster. Here is the Playstation 2 port: th-cam.com/video/DaaU5CMFka8/w-d-xo.html AND there is now a Nintendo Switch Port as well: th-cam.com/video/EQcN0n4M-A0/w-d-xo.html *Quick side question while I have you here I've noticed many of you "Battle Of The Ports" video captures seem to have the gamma set too high and I was curious if there was a setting you might have missed for input gamma on your capture card/device? The gamma being off makes some of the ports colors look washed out and as a result cheaper/weaker than they are when you actually play them.
The supposed to be a cd32 version is actually a hacked version on floppy disk modified by Earok available here : earok.net/game/wonderboy-monster-land-se Using WHDLoad, the game can be installed to hdd and then put on CD to be played on CD32. Here are the improvements: - Palette tweaks, closer to the arcade original - Press down to enter doors (you no longer need a keyboard to play). - Press down to look down in certain areas. - Optionally, second button can be used to jump. Additionally, you can boot your Amiga with NTSC display so the game is faster, smoother, controls are more reactive and on CRT with NTSC display, the picture is wider, with more respect of the original ratio. Well, use this "Special Edition" using NTSC display and you got a version that correct all the original flaws !
Hey yakumo ! Are you planning to made an battle of the ports about Tant-r? I wonder if the ps2 port have some betters features than the saturn version.
+ixindamix I have both the Saturn and PS2 games as part of the Sega Ages series. I think they are pretty much the same to be honest. Plus there's only 2 ports so maybe it wouldn't make for a good show.
Famicom game is called Saiyuuki World that you Said for Chinese Legend of the Monkey King There is Also Saiyuuki World 2 known as in The West or US USA United States Whomp Em
This is one of my favorite arcade games ever your right the master system version is top notch but i would say the pc engine version is the best one, i know it had the sprite changes but apart from that its pretty much arcade perfect with only one problem because its all in Japanese when you get to the sphinx you cant answer his questions so you have to fight him and he is really tough most times its a game over. Well if you have a everdrive or your emulating the pc engine game you can play the translated version and job done, so yes the master system and pc engine versions are far better than all the rest and i would recommend and own both of them and great video by the way.
I agree, the PC Engine version is the best but I think the Master System version just wins it for me because I grew up with that version plus I'm not too keen on Bikuriman :)
+Retro Core You should do a thing on not arcade ports but PC ones. i find it would be cool to see Minecraft ports. Because I find ALL OF THE VERSIONS ARE DIFFERENT! Like from controls, visuals, and gameplay. PC original simply keyboard and mouse then other versions.
+Quinn The Quartz The biggest problem with doing PC stuff is I need a better PC and I really can't be arsed with messing about with driver and system set ups. I just don't have the time. Then we also have all the different graphic card veriations of games :( Too much work for the limited time I have I'm afraid.
+Retro Core I would wager the Amiga and ST versions share the same source code. The Amiga version runs pretty much perfectly on the A1200 and faster machines. That said, I didn't even know the Amiga had this game until years later. I played the crap out of the Master System version as a kid.
There was also an MSX version planned. Rumour has it was even completed but it was cancelled. There's a video of it around the web, and it looks really.. not very good, because, you guessed, the scrolling is awfully jerky, making the game near to unplayable, or at least it looks so. Maybe that why it was cancelled. It would be an MSX2 game, and If I remember correctly, produced by Pony Canyon.
+Рома Поров There's also the recent re-releases on Wii Virtual Console, Xbox LIVE and PSN, which are emulations of the unreleased English arcade version, and are extremely accurate versions (then again, it is an M2 product)
+Larry Bundy Jr I did but it wasn't having any of it. Tried 4 different images too. Another CPC emulator was recommended to me which I'll be using in the future when I have emulation issues.
+Larry Bundy Jr yep. When I make these shows I always get a few versions of each ROM when not using real hardware. Emu paradise is just one of the places I use. The next show will use real hardware for each game. The next Battle of the Ports will be released early Saturday morning UK time or lunch time for me :)
I think you should show the MS version without FM (better without for me). The arcade version has almost similar sound than MS because sharing the same sound chip.
1. Arcade 2. Master System 3. Amiga 4. Atari ST 5. PC Engine 6. C64 7. Famicom 8. ZX Spectrum The Amiga version have the best music , which adds a great atmosphere to the game . It's a bit slower then the Atari version, but still well playable . I played this game on Amiga ! It's a great game ! Atari audio is only 3 channels ( with a lot reverb here ) . The music played on this 3 channels , but when a sfx plays , the music loses a channel which is very annoying . Amiga audio is 4 channels . The music played also on 3 channels and the sfx have a unic channel . When a sfx plays , the music still have 3 channels . The Amiga plays tracker music with digitized sound samples and the sfx is also digitized sample . I'm not sure about the Atari's music , but I think it's FM synthesis . The Famicom version is awful but the Spectrum version is the worst because the character graphics and the minimal beep sounds .
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Wonderboy III The Dragon's trap is still one of my all time favorite games tbh.
It's a classic.
I had the Master System version, which was released here as Monica no Castelo do Dragão (Monica in the Dragon's Castle,) with TecToy change for characters best known in Brazil. I amused myself with this game.
+Daniel Paes Cuter Ah yes, I've seen that version. I always thought Tec Toy didn't put much effort in to their sprite hacks. The replaced character of Monica looks odd.
+Daniel Paes Cuter Bem lembrado!! Joguri muito Monica no castelo do dragão!!
@@RetroCore TecToy didn't make much effort to alter Wonder Boy in Monster Land because it was the very first time they made a game like that. In the follow-up, Turma da Mônica, O Resgate (a hack of Wonder Boy III), they made a little more effort having more of the characters of Monica's Gang in it, but in a very odd way - every transformation of the main character is replaced by Cebolinha, Bidu, Chico Bento, or Magali, starting the game with Mônica (Cascão is just a salesperson, because he hates having a shower). You can see a progression in TecToy's works... Then you have the bizarre version of Street Fighter II and the rest is history...
+Retro Core Another significant change to the computer ports outside Japan was the final level was simplified considerably. It is a linear and straightforward stage, instead of a labyrinth.
+NightSprinter That's something I never knew. Good information.
Yeah, the arcade original, SMS, and PCE ports had a labyrinth you had to correctly navigate (while time kept depleting between sections). Not sure if Saiyki World is the same, but I know for certain the ST and Amiga ports at least made it linear.
Wonder Boy in Monsterland on arcade was the most amazing game I had ever seen at the time. When I later saw it for the C64 I had to buy it. I still have both the game and my C64.
I was introduced to this game via a bootleg that translated the game to English, at a local convenience store~ This and Twin Cobra were my jams!
The arcade game, that is
Ah, I was wondering what you meant at first 😉
Back in the days My dad got me a Sega Master System 1 console and 3 games with it being Double Dragon , Wonder Boy and this Wonder Boy in MonsterLand I spent so many hours playing Wonder Boy in MonsterLand with my cousin great memories oh and later on when Wonder Boy 3 Dragon Trap came out got that too such a great game too for the master system.
All Wonderboy games were fantastic on the Master System. Such great games. I remember being amazed with the parallax stars at the end of Wonderboy 3 for some reason.
Wow, the PC engine version is almost pixel perfect. Also, I didn't know there was a C64 version, my 11 old years self would have gone crazy for playing it, was and still is one of my favourites arcades of all time. Thanks for the video again!
+Lord Alfajor The PC Engine version really is good. I just wish they didn't choose the Bikuriman characters. I really can't stand Bikuriman.
And there is a translation patch around somewhere.
*I had this and loved it way back as a kid The best and Master System version!* ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️
I have to say that I'm also a fan of the Master System port.
This series and Eeiyu Densetsu will melt your brain if you try to figure them out.
Lol absolutely but if you concentrate, Wonderboy is understandable.
Mark Smith: Saiyūki World on the Famicom was developed by Jaleco.
Me: Wrong, it was developed by NMK of Thunder Dragon, Hacha Mecha Fighter and Zed Blade fame.
Yep, that it was
This one brings back memories. And I can still relive those memories because I purchased this on PSN for my PS3 a few years ago! Even my son likes it!( Although he is obsessed with Minecraft) Definitely a classic that's just as good now as when I first played it 30 years ago.
I know this was a flagship title for the Master System, but I never saw or played it, but it actually looks and sounds better than the arcade!
I did have the C64 version, it was pretty good
In away I can see this game being made in Minecraft some how.
@@RetroCore that would be interesting
I rate the Master System version as the best platform game ever made. Not sure why. Just is.
One of my favourite games series of all time, i'd put it up there with the Sonic, Mario and Zelda games and really should be rebooted or remade.
I had the Master System version and it was never out of my console till i'd finished it.
I actually never knew, or didn't think, there was home computer ports, or a NES port of Monsterland.
+Craig Wilson I was surprised to know t here were home computer ports too. I've known about the NES version for many years but it wasn't until last moth did I find out about the European home computer versions.
Can remember playing the sequel, The Dragons Curse on a mates borrowed game gear when i was younger and in hospital for a few days. It really made the time fly in.
Even now i have all the wonderboy games on my smartphone and are a great little distraction on the bus.
Sega: Excuse me, but how can we put our Wonder Boy game in the PC Engine and in the NES?
Hudson Soft & Jaleco: Let's change the title and change the characters.
The reason for the changes in "Bikkuriman World" was due to the ownership of the Wonder Boy characters belonging to Sega, but Westone still had rights to the game itself, hence why Hudson Soft went with a different IP to promote, as well as giving us "Master Higgins" in Adventure Island.
+Christopher Sobieniak Yep, this is 100% right. Stupidly though Hudson kept changing the characters. Wonder Boy III should have kept the Bikuriman theme but they changed it yet again.
Retro Core I suppose they couldn't get the same group involved again (the first game had a TV station and Toei involved since I think an anime was out that year with the characters).
Actually the translated arcade was released, this is what I plaued growing up in my country Greece. I srill remember the sphinx asking questions like "what did I eat last night?" and some other translation errors like "someone be beyond this wall" on the first hidden door before second boss...
Dafuk, that moment when you knock at doors is quite priceless, why they removed it on PC Engine?! Anyway I also can't stand the characters change and same goes for Dynastic Hero on PC Engine CD where the hero wears a dumb-looking bettle suit (among others changes...).
The Master System version of Wonder Boy in Monster Land is good from what I've played and I love the new music! (some sound effects also sound great)
InstaBlaster.
My favorite Wonderboy game is Wonderboy 3: Monster Lair.
That is a good one. I just finished the 5th game on the Mega Drive. Funny that's called Wonderboy though when the main character is a girl.
@@RetroCore Yeah, imagine Wonder Girl.
It's very impressive how close to the original is the PC Engine port. I think they might use the same code of the arcade with just a few minor changes. A pity that it lacks some sprites and other features from the arcade. Even so, it's the best port and they even fixed the bug regarding the coins.
+mukankakuna well the arcade looked quite uninpressive to begin with.
+MrDerOutsider for the time it was released, graphics were pretty good looking.
Lord Alfajor i saw many better ones from 1987.
funny that the western ports kept the asianified spelling of gladius
Maybe they just didn't realise that was strange?
After looking up the Famicom game, I believe it was actually released in the US as the title "Whomp 'Em", which had all the Chinese story elements replaced with that of a Native American theme for the US audience, and the music was also different as well.
Not really, Whomp 'Em is based off the second Saiyuuki World, which is not the game featured in this video. The first Saiyuuki World is indeed based off Wonder Boy in Monster Land.
lol I am working on this one. Was planning to release it next month. lol Good show ! :D
+Gaming History Source Great minds think alike :) Maybe you can add the CPC version. I left it out because I couldn't get it to work well enough.
+Retro Core hmm.. I haven't gotten to that one yet. Are you using Winape ?
Gaming History Source
Yes, I find it to be a straight forward emulator but now and then there's the odd game that doesn't run.
+Retro Core Try CPCE95. And just drag the game file onto the EXE icon. It will auto start & should be pre configured. Might help. :)
cpce.emuunlim.com/
Thanks! I'll give that a shot.
Hello mark released alongside the pc engine console in 1987 bikkuriman world and shanghai is an earlier game that released as a launch title for the system
Awesome stuff buddy :) wonderboy in monsterland on the sms is my fav game of all time. the Japanese version sounds quite different and the first boss needs a few more hits
+steve36207 Yeah, the sound on the Japanese version is different due to the use of the FM sound chip in the Japanese Master System. Did you know that the FM sound code is actually in the western version of the game too! If you mod a western Master System you can play many western games with the better FM audio.
id love an fm sms :)
*You can actually buy a FM 8-Bit adaptor in US for your Genesis/MegaDrive people!* ⭐️
it seems like the other 8 bit computers always try to imitate the arcade graphics but the c64 runs smaller sprites and therefore runs better.
+MrDerOutsider That's so true. Also many a time the C64 port is programmed by a completely different developer than all the other European home computers.
Natural result of not having a Z80, I feel. Too often, the CPC and MSX got ZX Spectrum ports in color. Because of the different processor, that short cut wasn't available for the C64.
Completely forgot how laggy the Amiga version was. Guess I didn't notice back in the day.
we need more WB now =D,
i remember how WB was a SEGA STAR just before Alex Kidd & after Fantasy Zone !
the beginning of a solid video-game evolution :)
Well, we do have that remake of Wonder Boy III :)
Master System port is superb, looks better than the arcade actually :D, the pc engine is pretty nice too.
This 60fps feature is the coolest thing ever, great show!
This is actually one of the Amiga games I enjoyed. Naturally the loading times really damaged the game. A later hacked version to work on A1200 actually worked like a charm on this department - and made it slightly more enjoyable.
After knowing the arcade original it seems to me that the Amiga could deliver more. Again an ST port, but still a good one.
My 1st version was the ZX one, and actually I liked it back then - I never had played the arcade game.
My friend bought the C64, unfortunately never could make it work - traded for Power Drift (great game on C64!).
The PC engine is so weird and the NES... well are you sure it's even a remote inspiration port of wonderboy????
+Hard Wired The Famicom game is the same game. The reason for the style change is the same reson why the PC Enging game had it's characters changed. Sega own the rights to the Wonderboy name and character. Hudson have the rights to the game but not the character. They can use the same game but just change the characters. Jaleco own no rights at all so they changed everything but still used the level designs for the most part.
+RetroCore You should do a minecraft ports. Due to quite the most interesting when it comes to its ports and what they fuck up and succeed on. Even though... It is not an arcade game or a PC one.
Wait, why is the Amiga version in 16:9? Did I suddenly enter Hidamari Sketch Land instead of Monster Land?
Ah, that was some dodgy capture. Back when this video was made I had issues with capturing Amiga games.
Hey mark is this game wonder boy in monster land is arcade perfect on sega ages 2500?
I would imagine so but I've never actually seen it. I don't own that game.
Probably my favorite arcade game of all time. Not a quarter muncher at all. I remember most people after playing it for a while could clear it on one credit. I got a weird bootleg pcb of this game with messed up engrish translations. I'm not sure if there was ever a legitimate western release of this game in the arcades. Even the game i originally played as a child in Europe was in Japanese. Does'nt matter, it's fun regardless what language it's in.
This is a great game. I have played the original Arcade PCB (Japanese) although my first encounter with this game was back on the Master System.
PCE version is stil the most faithful to the arcade version gameplay, layout & sound wise, only a shame that Sega didn't allow Hudson to use the Wonder Boy IP...then again I can understand why...after all which company would license a game to a rival company if they knew in advance it would be better than on their own home system...lucky for us, Westone owns the engine and can use it as they want as long as they change the characters :p :p
My first try was on my cpc, poor zx port.
Same goes for the later approach on my amiga, st port with no use of amiga's chipset thus st was a bit faster.
SMS is a great port.
+Vincent GR I really don't like how the sound effects were done on the ST and Amiga. It sounds so bad as if they just played the arcade samples then recorded them with a tape recorder. The sound effects are not direct analoge or digital samples for sure. You can tell, they have that classic tape recorder shallowness to them.
Retro Core
Some games are using sound generator on the amiga but this is propably sampled from the arcade.
But on the atari I think it is generated from YM.
+Vincent GR Sounds better on the Atari this time round. Could be because I love chip audio but it does sound cleaner.
Please revisit this now that there is the remake on Switch. By far the best way to approach a retro remake. It's the same damn game... but filters. XD
The thing is, are the switch and 360 versions by M2 ports or just emulation with filters added? I have a feeling they're just emulation with filters.
@@RetroCore I believe it was reverse engineered, rather than emulation. But the way you can flick between retro visuals and audio and modern visuals and audio independently and at any time is incredible
If you look at the modern artwork and animations, there's no way that can just be a filter over the original SMS code.
Michael Rogers So like R-Type Dimensions?
@@solarflare9078 I've not played that, but if it let's you just flick a button to go between the original and modern, yeah.
The Amiga 500 conversion should have been arcade perfect - there is no excuse for such sloppy coding. BC Kid shows how a colourful platformer can run on the Amiga at 50fps with vibrant music and sound effects. The C64 version is actually pretty decent and in some ways I prefer the music over the arcade and also the more tactile feel against the bosses (such as in their recoil).
What was the name of the famicom version ? I can't find it anywhere.
I can't remember off the top of my head without watching the video. Unfortunately I'm on the train right now with no WiFi so I can't check out the video. I suggest using your smartphone and taking a picture of the title screen text to translate it in to romanized letters.
I figured it out. :) Having issues getting the Amiga version to work now. UGHH.. It's ALWAYS Amiga !!! >_
I hate computer emulation. Amiga, ST and Atari 8bits always give me troubles.
Try emulating a MAC ... 0_0 That one is damn near impossible.
Name of Famicom version: Saiyuuki world
On the PC Engine version, press up + start to start at the level you died.
Nice hint.
You missed the version that appears in the SegaAges2500 vol. 29 Monster World Collection for the PS2.
I know. Its missing because it's nothing but an emulation of the arcade version.
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Any thoughts on doing Road Blasters???
+BlockABoots It's on the cards :) But I want footage from the IOS version which I once had. So far I have the Arcade, VHD (Works with MSX computers), Saturn, PlayStation, Mega CD (Best audio out of all versions) and SFC / SNES versions. They are all the same apart from the Mega CD thanks to the remade audio by Wolf Team so I guess those ports would be judged upon how complete they are and the graphical overlays. The ISO graphical overlay is crap. Looks like a nasty bit of microsoft paint art. The Mega Cd version is missing any crash animations.
Hmm i think your getting mixed up with Road Avenger for the Mega-CD??...as im sure Road Blasters wasnt out on the Mega-CD, Road Blasters made by Atari1??. The SNES version is a totally different from the arcade version also...again i think thats Road Avenger, maybe its name was different in Japan?. I think the MegaDrive had one of the best versions of Road Blasters but it was missing any speech which was odd
+BlockABoots Ah, yes I was. Road Avenger in Japan is called Road Blaster FX and Cobra Command was called Thunder Storm FX. They changed the names for the western release.
I know the Atari Road Blasters. I own the Mega Drive version by Tengen. Yeah, I think that would be a great one to cover. I'll add it to the list. The next show is almost complete however so maybe in a few weeks time I'll do Road Blasters.
Great stuff!
I think there was a Beta or Alpha version released for Amiga CD32 which looks like an upgraded Amiga port.
I would imagine it's just the standard Amiga version slapped on to a CD.
@@RetroCore Hey thanks for the reply I figured you'd not respond to such an old video. And thanks for the putting in the effort it takes to put all these games head to head.
Anyhow here's your capture of the Amiga port: th-cam.com/video/0nVvnzPDq44/w-d-xo.html
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The Amiga CD32 Alpha port: th-cam.com/video/PQkQCR122kI/w-d-xo.html
As you can see the art is better on the CD32 especially in the sand and cactus's....as well it looks like it runs a bit faster.
Here is the Playstation 2 port: th-cam.com/video/DaaU5CMFka8/w-d-xo.html
AND there is now a Nintendo Switch Port as well:
th-cam.com/video/EQcN0n4M-A0/w-d-xo.html
*Quick side question while I have you here I've noticed many of you "Battle Of The Ports" video captures seem to have the gamma set too high and I was curious if there was a setting you might have missed for input gamma on your capture card/device? The gamma being off makes some of the ports colors look washed out and as a result cheaper/weaker than they are when you actually play them.
The supposed to be a cd32 version is actually a hacked version on floppy disk modified by Earok available here : earok.net/game/wonderboy-monster-land-se
Using WHDLoad, the game can be installed to hdd and then put on CD to be played on CD32. Here are the improvements:
- Palette tweaks, closer to the arcade original
- Press down to enter doors (you no longer need a keyboard to play).
- Press down to look down in certain areas.
- Optionally, second button can be used to jump.
Additionally, you can boot your Amiga with NTSC display so the game is faster, smoother, controls are more reactive and on CRT with NTSC display, the picture is wider, with more respect of the original ratio.
Well, use this "Special Edition" using NTSC display and you got a version that correct all the original flaws !
Hey yakumo ! Are you planning to made an battle of the ports about Tant-r? I wonder if the ps2 port have some betters features than the saturn version.
+ixindamix I have both the Saturn and PS2 games as part of the Sega Ages series. I think they are pretty much the same to be honest. Plus there's only 2 ports so maybe it wouldn't make for a good show.
Hey mark wonder boy in monster land vs dan the man which is better?
No idea.
Famicom game is called Saiyuuki World that you Said for Chinese Legend of the Monkey King
There is Also Saiyuuki World 2 known as in The West or US USA United States Whomp Em
This is one of my favorite arcade games ever your right the master system version is top notch but i would say the pc engine version is the best one, i know it had the sprite changes but apart from that its pretty much arcade perfect with only one problem because its all in Japanese when you get to the sphinx you cant answer his questions so you have to fight him and he is really tough most times its a game over.
Well if you have a everdrive or your emulating the pc engine game you can play the translated version and job done, so yes the master system and pc engine versions are far better than all the rest and i would recommend and own both of them and great video by the way.
I agree, the PC Engine version is the best but I think the Master System version just wins it for me because I grew up with that version plus I'm not too keen on Bikuriman :)
There is a fan-translated version of Bikkuriman World out there if you don't mind roms.
Yea i have that on my everdrive atleast with that you have a chance to answer the sphin's question.
+Retro Core You should do a thing on not arcade ports but PC ones. i find it would be cool to see Minecraft ports. Because I find ALL OF THE VERSIONS ARE DIFFERENT! Like from controls, visuals, and gameplay. PC original simply keyboard and mouse then other versions.
+Quinn The Quartz The biggest problem with doing PC stuff is I need a better PC and I really can't be arsed with messing about with driver and system set ups. I just don't have the time. Then we also have all the different graphic card veriations of games :( Too much work for the limited time I have I'm afraid.
MAKE THE WARNING SOUNDS END!
They never really bothered me that much.
Well, IMO, I can't stand them. They really grate on my ears.
Is Mickey Mouse at Disneyland a parody of Wonder Boy in Monster Land? Because those characters in this game are not Disney.
Maybe be. I've never seen it though.
Odd that the ST version seems to be smoother than the Amiga..
There are quite a few games that seem to run smoother on the ST. Normally the ST has really bad audio though. This game is pretty nice.
+Retro Core I would wager the Amiga and ST versions share the same source code. The Amiga version runs pretty much perfectly on the A1200 and faster machines. That said, I didn't even know the Amiga had this game until years later. I played the crap out of the Master System version as a kid.
+VincentX77 Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised about the Amiga and ST versions using the same source code. same goes for the Spectrum and Amstrad too.
@@RetroCore it's a RAW ST port. Even the loader is loading 1 sector after the other. Awful.
There was also an MSX version planned. Rumour has it was even completed but it was cancelled. There's a video of it around the web, and it looks really.. not very good, because, you guessed, the scrolling is awfully jerky, making the game near to unplayable, or at least it looks so.
Maybe that why it was cancelled. It would be an MSX2 game, and If I remember correctly, produced by Pony Canyon.
Ah, Pony Canyon. On of the few Japanese software distributors that you know is going to bring you something crap. Kind of like Mindscape in away :)
Oh, Pony Canyon actually published many of the earlier Compile games, including the masterpiece Zanac . So they are forever forgiven :D
Rafael Lima ah, in that case they can be forgiven :) funny how they went from publishing classics to any old crap.
What version of the game can completely pass through not knowing the Japanese language? Famicom-SMS or PC Engin?
The SMS version was released in North America and Europe and is in English.
+Christopher Sobieniak That's right. I had the UK PAL version when I was a kid.
Retro Core I'm sure I've seen those carts once on the shelves in the late 80's.
+Рома Поров There's also the recent re-releases on Wii Virtual Console, Xbox LIVE and PSN, which are emulations of the unreleased English arcade version, and are extremely accurate versions (then again, it is an M2 product)
I can play this game on my PSP??
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Luck dude! Sadly I couldn't get the Amstrad version to run :(
Retro Core
Not to worry, it's pretty close to the Spectrum version. Did you use WinAPE to play it?
+Larry Bundy Jr I did but it wasn't having any of it. Tried 4 different images too. Another CPC emulator was recommended to me which I'll be using in the future when I have emulation issues.
Retro Core
Did you try any different ROMS of it too? Places like Emuparadise usually carry 2-3 variants of each rom.
+Larry Bundy Jr yep. When I make these shows I always get a few versions of each ROM when not using real hardware. Emu paradise is just one of the places I use.
The next show will use real hardware for each game. The next Battle of the Ports will be released early Saturday morning UK time or lunch time for me :)
I think you should show the MS version without FM (better without for me). The arcade version has almost similar sound than MS because sharing the same sound chip.
1. Arcade
2. Master System
3. Amiga
4. Atari ST
5. PC Engine
6. C64
7. Famicom
8. ZX Spectrum
The Amiga version have the best music , which adds a great atmosphere to the game . It's a bit slower then the Atari version, but still well playable . I played this game on Amiga ! It's a great game !
Atari audio is only 3 channels ( with a lot reverb here ) . The music played on this 3 channels , but when a sfx plays , the music loses a channel which is very annoying .
Amiga audio is 4 channels . The music played also on 3 channels and the sfx have a unic channel . When a sfx plays , the music still have 3 channels .
The Amiga plays tracker music with digitized sound samples and the sfx is also digitized sample . I'm not sure about the Atari's music , but I think it's FM synthesis .
The Famicom version is awful but the Spectrum version is the worst because the character graphics and the minimal beep sounds .
Thanks for your input. Nice to see the Master System at number 2.