How tragic that this beautiful perfect baby died due to 20 failings. How awful. Thanks for your tireless research Mark. Unforgivable, pure incompetence. Strange that Dr Dewi Evans retired after this, this should of been investigated. Bless that baby and his Mum.
When Evans poked his nose he told the police this is just my kind of case they showed him the notes and within ten minutes he said this is murder, shocking how the hell could he do that ?
My guess is- a guess only - that Dewi knew either RJ or B (or both) on beforehand and was given pre-advice as to what to “find” - no way they did not know one another on beforehand and spoke (my take and GUT feeling😊)
@@YA-qo7xq It is a good guess! The "gang of 4" seems to be expanding its membership in quite a few directions, the more we dive in, the bigger the web seems to get. Oh my oh my, this is certainly a time of truth being uncovered...
It should have been a red flag both to the consultants themselves and to the police - but they were only too happy to have someone so 'confident' in their powers.
It is surreal that three doctors accusing a nurse of causing the death of patients have themselves been responsible for the death of a patient, two directly, and now a third indirectly by being in charge of the doctor directly responsible. 😱 If this was a movie script, nobody would accept the story as plausible. ☮️
Unless the movie was in the uncovering a conspiracy genre. Actually, wouldn't the script be brilliant if it was one of the parents who uncovered the conspiracy because they never stopped asking questions about their baby's death, a la Mark Ruffalo's character never stopped, in Dark Waters.
There are numerous question marks about his background and also his testimony as an expert witness in other cases which may need to be reviewed. He also has links to the discredited Dr Roy Meadow and Dr David Southall.His animus towards hospital management comes through loud and clear in his Talk TV interview "The man who took down baby killer Lucy Letby".
Is that David Southall from Stoke on Trent Hospital who put mother's in prison for killing their babies, when they were natural deaths, that man's a disgrace. Marie from England
I will read the articles later and see what I can gather, retired nurse here. My gut on first impression is that the incubator probably needed routine maintenance and it may or may not have been done. Like a used by date for food , doesn’t always mean it’s gone bad. Interesting the mom came in for a chest infection, baby healthy on admission and ends up with pneumonia. My gut tells me that baby might have been sick on admission like mom. Babies often don’t show signs of infection like adults because they don’t have the mature immune system to set up a good inflammatory response. Often what we see in infection are signs that your body is trying to fight the infection. My hypothesis is and disclaimer just a gut and not trying to point fault ……. Did they keep a good eye on this baby ? Mom has an infection so they needed to. Or did they just put in a low level nursery for healthy babies. Not being covered by highly trained nurses and doctors who could monitor for sepsis. Again just a hunch
Thank you - it's so hard to tell, without further information as to how this came to be resolved, if it ever was. Or was it settled privately, with an agreement to not contact the press, etc? An apology is mentioned - but an apology for what it doesn't say.
Better to read "Kidnapped by the State", on Justice for Families, in November 2008, about Dr Dewi Evans. He decided that a mother was deliberately harming her daughter when the daughter was complaining of being in constant pain, with the mother trying to get help for her. Evans decided the mother had Munchausen, got Social Services involved and everyone else, the child was taken into care, separated from the family, forbidden from contacting them, and never got treatment for the pain for years that she was suffering from. It later turned out the daughter had a rare condition called Zollinger Ellison syndrome, which had never occurred to Evans, he was so convinced the mother was hurting the child, she was prevented from getting treatment by Evans and was taken from her family. The mother Linda Lewis was treated as if she had been harming her child Bonnie Lewis, for many years. Evans was accused of falsifying records to push his idea, and he retired the year after the article called Kidnapped by the State went on the Justice for Families website (November 2008). I would not imagine the state and powers that be were very happy with the position Dr Evans put them in, so got him out as quietly as possible. Same idea basically Munchausen disease, attention seeking, when a carer says there is something wrong, if he, the doctor, does not have an answer, then the carer must have deliberately harmed them. Linda Lewis (LL) and Lucy Letby (LL) on both occasions he pushed himself forward as the expert of experts and started running the show convinced of his own infallibility and discounting alternative, more likely explanations, and any evidence that did not fit. Especially as the pathologist and review panel had concluded natural causes in 6 out of 7 of the deaths, the other undetermined.
What I admired with the American laws, any expert witnesses must submit their curriculum vitae to the court before the trial. They also have to introduce themselves and tell the court of their own knowledge of themselves to be credited witness. In the UK, any stupidity from the witness is hidden underneath the carpet. Voila.
Yes with Dr Evans having to explain what happened concerning Linda and Bonnie Lewis, and that article called Kidnapped by the State on Justice for Families in November 2008. Evans became convinced the mother had Munchausen disease and was deliberately harming her daughter to get attention, as she kept going to the doctor and saying her daughter was in pain. He pushed himself forward with his idea and got the social services to take the daughter in to care with mother accused of harming her daughter for years. It turned out the mother was telling the truth, and trying to get help because her daughter was in pain, as the latter had a rare condition called Zollinger Ellison syndrome. The daughter was left untreated for the Zollinger Ellison disease as it had never occurred to Evans, he had said it was all the mother's doing. I think it was 1996 that it happened when the young girl was 12, but the article on Justice for Families was not until 2008, 12 years later, reading what happened with the daughter was heart breaking. I don't know what happened to the mother the state deciding she had Munchausen disease and harmed her daughter for years.
The State appearing as it did in an article called "Kidnapped by the State" (November 2008) would I have no doubt been decidedly unhappy with Dr Evans, which is no doubt why he retired the following year, as quietly as possible if the State had its way.
I think you are on to something here Mark. If a consultant retires from a well paid job at 59 then he would be fairly financially secure? However he carries on working into his 70's - WHY??? FREE LUCY LETBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@hopeisthething1965 FAO Mark Mayes - I think you are wrong. It is not the death of this child that you spoke of, it is because of what he did concerning Linda Lewis and her daughter Bonnie Lewis. There is something from November 2008 on Justice for Families called Kidnapped by the State. I cannot post it on here and I can't find anyway to email it to you, though I would if I knew where to send it. The person who put it on was a family support worker from Surrey, last active on there September 10th, 2010. Dewi Evans alleged the mother, Linda Lewis, was deliberately harming her daughter, Bonnie Lewis, to get attention, claiming she had Munchausen disease, she was claiming there was something wrong with her daughter, who complained of constant pain. He became fixated on the idea, it was the mother hurting the daughter, and ended up getting the child taken away from the mother by Social Services and I'm not sure if the mother was sectioned or imprisoned. Finally years later it turned out that the mother had not been harming the daughter, she was genuinely trying to get her daughter medical help, as the daughter years later was found to have been suffering from a rare disease, called Zollinger Ellison syndrome, was in constant pain, and was never provided any treatment, and was forcibly removed from her family and put in care. He was accused of falsifying records in order to push his theory, it seemed to be around 1996 the daughter was taken by Social Services, I think it said she was 12, and was prevented from contacting her family with a variety of threats. As it turned out with the state being accused of kidnap, and the mother being treated as having harmed her daughter, for years, breaking up the family, and all because of Evans never thought the child could have a rare disease like Zollinger Ellison and the mother was telling the truth and trying to help her daughter who was suffering. That would be why Evans retired the following year I would guess, it put the authorities in a right bind. Basically Lucy Letby is a replay of Linda Lewis and Bonnie Lewis, Evans gets the idea that the nurse is deliberately harming the babies in her care and he then pushes himself forward to advance that idea, altering things to make it fit to his idea, and ignoring any evidence which shows it does not fit. The State is persuaded to go along with it, because Evans is so convinced in his infallibility until it came out in 2008 about the Lewis's, so they pushed him out as quietly as possible, the State had already been left with egg on its face, as it were. Things like a doctor aspirating the abdomen and perforating the liver by using McBurney's point as proposed by Dr Richard Taylor, in baby O's case or in the case of Bonnie Lewis that she actually had Zollinger Ellison syndrome were all ignored by Evans, because it never occurred to him that his opinions about LL (Linda Lewis) or LL (Lucy Letby) could be wrong and his knowledge and experience were limited unlike his opinion of himself.
@@JM-dm3qk That could very well be, JM. Could also possibly be a combination of factors, including Linda and Bonnie Lewis case - or that as the main factor. Perhaps there is more that someone can tell us vis a vis Evans's reason or set of reasons for retiring when he did.
Mark again another great find …….. you, along with blacksquare, Tasha, Carl are the new gang of 4. I mean that as a compliment. You tube,s gang of 4, who have limited medical experience take out the physican gang of 4……..love it !!!!!!!!!
@ thank you. What shall we call this new kind gang of 4 ? Something that says they are the good guys ? The white hat gang of 4 as opposed to the black hat gang of 4? That’s an American thing…. In our westerns the good guys wore white cowboy hats…… what’s a British thing ? Bowler hats vs peaked caps ? Wasn’t your social status based a lot about the hat you wore ?
@@jar942 no clue as I’m danish 🙂 BUT in Denmark my guess would be something down the road of “four leaf clover” as finding a four leaf clover means luck/happiness (in DK)
@ yes…… awesome. They are Lucy’s 4 leaf clover. And it’s so nice to see an international flavor to us wanting to help Lucy. I’m a retired nurse that saw so much bullying of nurses in America, that’s why I’m interested in Lucy case
Yes, that's right, the Spring Meeting of the Welsh Paediatric Society. Jayaram and Gibbs both spoke at this, at a hotel just outside Chester, in Spring 2017.
Great find Mark. Many doctors take retirement and their pension then continue doing the same job working as their own locum. It would be interesting to know if he actually left the hospital when he retired.
@hopeisthething1965 Comments on the November 2008 Justice for Families in November 2008 included the following concerning Dr Dewi Evans seemed rather prophetic given Evans later role concerning Lucy Letby but on this occasion, not a mental institution but a prison instead. After all there was the hospital and the medical negligence claim for killing Noah Robinson against the head of the unit Dr Brearey. After that Grievance Procedure and being made to apologise those doctors would be finding Lucy Letby a very awkward young woman. They are talking bout Dewi Evans and the case involving Linda Lewis (mother) and her daughter (Bonnie Lewis). the mother was accused of harming her daughter, accused of having Munchausen disease. She did not, she had tried to get help for her daughter, who was in pain, and it turned out was suffering from Zollinger Ellison syndrome. There is an article called Kidnapped by the State on Justice for Families, from November 2008 about what happened and about Dewi Evans. Professor Morley did say in his opinion that it was a witch hunt concerning Lucy Letby. "PeaveyC30 If Bonnie is an adult now it would be one for investigative journalist Brian Morgan to be invited to have a look at - there seems to be enough material to justify a book from it. Certainly in the past - i.e. up to the early 1960's women were often confined to mental institutions for reasons that weren't always genuine. These included, as recently referred-to in the news, TB and other notifiable diseases. Before that we can go back through the early 20th century (and certainly before the 1940's) when "awkward" women were confined to mental institutions, and before that, going back to the 19th century, we have to refer to Wilkie Collins, whose Woman in White was published in 1860 after a series of scandals in the 1850's when physicians routinely institutionalised women who were likely to "blow the whistle" on scandals etc. www.sparrow11.fizwig.com/index_c ... l#CollinsW However since Care in the Community in Thatcher's time, finding a convenient mental institution in which to squirrel an "awkward" woman away is mighty hard. You would need the enthusiastic assistance of a lot of people to achieve it, and a good reason for doing so; such as desperately avoiding a humbdinger medical negligance suit."
Hi Mark, I have come across a document involving Dewi evans and another doctor from the high court of justice in northern Ireland that overturned a verdict of un-accidental damage resulting in the children being taken away from their Mother. Both the original conviction judgement and the appeal judgement are explained in the document and relate to judgments made by both doctors. It is interesting reading, especially this bit: [15] In his judgment the trial judge was critical of Dr Evans, suggesting that his evidence should have been more considered and structured than in fact it was. I accept that there is some justification for that criticism but, however frustrating changes in opinions are, this is a case in which both experts were clearly unsure about expressing an opinion about whether the injuries were non-accidental but both did so because they had been asked to and were expected to do so. That approach is entirely wrong and must be avoided in future. It is definitively not the role of expert witnesses to tell the court whether they believe injuries are accidental or non-accidental. That is especially so in cases such as the present and lawyers should be far more alert to avoid drafting letters of instruction to doctors inviting them to express their opinion on that issue. You may already know about this, so apologies if you have already discussed it. If not I would be interested on your take on it.
Thanks so much for this, Mandian. I believe I have come across this, and it is a really interesting further example regarding Evans - and his ways. Really appreciate you bringing it to the fore again. 🙂
@hopeisthething1965 , You're welcome, seems like he has his finger in many pies Thanks for keeping on this Mark, I have never been so active on youtube as I have lately, this has really got to me, I am incensed by their blatant BS and that in itself raises deeper concerns for me. I fear that this is just the tip of the iceberg. As a therapist and teacher of therapists for over 30 years, the "confession note" crap was the thing that first caught my attention. The use of this type of writing as an intervention is common ! I will never accept that they didn't know that !
@@mandian2 Yes - it's the cynicism, isn't it - they did know what they were doing when they misused those counselling notes - which should have remained private and inadmissable.
Thanks for this analysis. At 6:50, it's odd that a person who brags about setting up a neonatal unit makes no mention of a complaint which alleged multiple failings in neonatal care. 🤔
It does surprise me how many believe Evans when he said the immortal words, "it seems like a case that will suit me" or words to that effect. Could it not be that he was chosen, if not chosen then prompted to take on the case by people who would benefit from him being a witness. A witness who knows how the courts work, and also have a posse of willing helpers. We have all read how difficult it is to get a witness to appear in court. But it seems like Dr Dewi had no difficulty in getting witnesses to go along with his charade. That charade being a well orchestrated fit up concocted by desperate doctors, nhs and oh so willing to look good Cheshire police.
I think you could well be right, James. That he was chosen - by prior arrangement, as it were, and by prior fore-knowledge of the events and of the suspicions/game-plan of the consultants. I don't think it was a random coming together of the most dangerous 'expert' you can imagine with the most corrupt consultants and the most corrupt police you can imagine - it all works too well to be an accident.
Just read the welsh article. Baby died from bilateral pneumonia……. That’s says sepsis…… looks like other adult patients care was substandard……. Wondering if not enough staff, staff so overwhelmed and burnt out, not enough money in budget. Sounds like your typical crap hospital we see here in America. There are great ones and really bad ones…. You can often tell which ones are good just by how rich the surrounding neighborhood. Again disclaimer, not pointing fingers of blame just thinking out loud
Thanks so much, Jar. Sepsis. Ah - yes. And there are other deaths that occur there a couple of years later - which on further investigation, reports discuss staffing and problems with the unit as a whole - ie the unit at the Singleton Hospital - and certain essential guidelines not followed.
@ mark. I think when Lucy’s case is finally over…. If you could some up what really killed those babies ( besides doctors sticking needles where they shouldn’t ) would be the word……. Poo and I don’t mean Winnie the poo, I mean the bullshit coming outta dewy Evans mouth and the shit leaking out of the pipes…….. sepsis is probably the greatest killer of newborns….. time to bring back sanitation…. The stuff Florence nightingale proved could save lives.
I can tell you from my own experience that if a hospital gave an apology it would have to be draged out of them and very serious... usually an apology is only given because a hospital knows it has no other option. it's not like your friend saying sorry... it tends to be admission of something very serious.
I wouldn't be surprised, Mark. He comes across as completely incompetent, and I definitely wouldn't trust any of my childrens care with him. Hopefully, if they have been issues, they too will come to light too 🙏
The case of Robbie Powell who wasn’t diagnosed with a treatable disease, went on to collapse & die, after DR refused ambulance so dad had to drive him to hospital, he died later that day. Heartbreaking case, Dewi Evans was the consultant & covered for doctors that wrote up notes after Robbie died! Went to European court, but lost because law says Drs are not obliged by law to tell you the diagnosis of your child!
@turquoiseblue228 Further evidence of him blowing his own trumpet then. He has also been quoted as boasting that he's never lost a criminal case that he's been involved in as an 'expert' witness. This is despite the supposed 'independent' nature of his role in such cases. Edit: He actually said he'd only lost one case.
@hopeisthething1965 Definitely is yes. And the more we learn about Evans, the more staggering it becomes that Goss didn't agree to Myers' request to have his evidence thrown out of court.
I'm probably one of the last people to listen to Michael McConville's podcast "The Other Side of Lucy Letby". If only Lucy Letby had a few more experts like him then there wouldn't be all this mess ...
Sorry about this but I keep banging on about the broken drains, what fumes were they producing , this should have been investigated further, experts should be involved. Marie from England 🏴🌹
Hi. It’s interesting of course but this baby wasn’t well - a 15 day old would not be put in an incubator if they were well. You have an usual hat on today - is it a tiny Fez?
That is true - and there are probably other aspects we don't know about from that report. It's hard to say, as there seems to be no follow-up. And no sense of how this was resolved between the parents and the hospital/health board, or if legal action was ever taken, or some other settlement made. And indeed, whether something may have been covered up here.
its a wide reaching web of deceit....there could be hundreds of cases of strange coincidences....there could be lots of parents sitting at home who have lost babies
That's a good idea - am thinking of doing an FOI re med neg cases brought re CoCH - at the suggestion of my friend - but it's how to couch it so that they don't reply with the usual rebuff about ongoing investigations.
Interesting video as ever. I wonder whether or not Dr Evans had a direct input into this baby's care might be gleaned from the relevant coroners Office, assuming an inquest had occurred. I guess it's not unusual for doctors, especially hospital consultants to retire from NHS work at 60, in fact many retire at 55 as they can often do this without much reduction in their NHS pension, depending on how many years service they have. Many will continue or expand their private practice or undertake other paid work, like that nice Dr Evans
Thank you, Adrian. I'm not sure if there was an inquest in this case. And thanks regarding the info about retirement age - I hadn't realised or thought it might be that young. But that also they can continue working despite being 'retired' - as a locum, or private, as you say here.
The 2011 Sepsis death at Singleton is interesting me because of their Vicky Pollard explanation . I suspect non-consensual Ranitodine trials in these settings . Sorry bit of a segway
Mark .... i need to choose my words very carefully indeed . I learned via the internet that Dewi Evans has (doctor) "God Sons" . I am having dealings WITH a "Dr Evans" with a Swansea accent !!!!! . This man ????...... i've had to go to the police ...(who ummm rebuffed me) . THIS DOCTOR HAS LEFT ME INJURED !!!!!!!!!!! . In 2019 ...... until October 2023 .... he left me suffering in excess of 500 mini heart seizures in my opinion . Unlike Dewi Evans ....... i cannot say very much ...(esp his christian name) ..... as he maybe right now in a state of "disposition" . I am "NOTHING" ...... but i cannot make an accusation of any kind right now . If anybody can name the "God Sons" it would help !!!!!! . BUT MUST FOCUS ON LUCY
Thank you, Steve. I am very sorry to hear that you have been injured. I hope you can find a way to get this looked into in a proper fashion. Although, I suspect that is difficult in this day and age. I hadn't come across the idea of God sons hitherto.
@hopeisthething1965 Many Thanks for replying 🙂 . Like those who turned on Lucy ...... they seem "gate keepers" that seem to have had knowledge STOP !!!!!! . (Flip to Lucy's plight) ....(which mirrors my own) . It's very "suttle" ....."high end" ..... whilst also being "feathered with their own vanity" . They half "booted around" in her life ...... to "reinvent" Lucy in a complete different light almost from Day 1 . So ...... everything their efforts went into ...... were based on this customized "charactour" that also "capped out" at the same level in their medical / scientific evidence that they pledged in court 😞 . But ????.... in this "COLD and CALCULATING WORLD" that Lucy Letby was suppost to have lived in........ THE POLICE FOUND NOTHING .....(that wasn't explicable) ......... (we know of the shredder and the change over sheets).......... but not ONE txt message that implied this "evil" character they portrayed....... or one item of evidence that she "lived" this sudo world . I'm stuck for words ........ it's like they plodded in on a white horse with a Sherriff's badge into Oklahoma in the year of 1888 ............ GIVE ME STRENGTH
The average retirement age for a consultant in the UK is around 59.6 years old. My consultant surgeon is about to retire I am guessing from her age she will be 60
@hopeisthething1965 The pension cap meant that many consultants were working for virtually nothing. To achieve a full NHS pension doctors were at a disadvantage as they do not graduate until a minimum of 23 years old and therefore do not start earning and accumulating pension until then. Some doctors do “retire and return” receiving their pension but also some salary. Financially attractive and a gradual adaptation to retirement. Some doctors continue to do private practice or medico legal work but they must continue to be fully registered with the GMC and pass annual appraisal. Medicolegal work is extremely lucrative but also time consuming and stressful. The recommendation is that medicolegal work should only be done by those recently retired from clinical practice. If a doctor is not fully registered with the GMC then he may not be subject to annual appraisal which includes a commitment to continuing medical education (CME points). I retired completely at 59! I have never done a medicolegal case in my life. I did however receive a number of letters from solicitors requesting me to do so, sometimes accompanied by the patient’s notes. Having attended inquests etc I had no desire to increase my exposure to the legal environment. For those of you with medical knowledge, the very thorough “The Other Side of Lucy Letby” podcast by an incredibly enthusiastic and diligent GP is worth a listen. Episode 50 came out yesterday!!
How tragic that this beautiful perfect baby died due to 20 failings. How awful. Thanks for your tireless research Mark. Unforgivable, pure incompetence. Strange that Dr Dewi Evans retired after this, this should of been investigated. Bless that baby and his Mum.
It is really tragic, isn't it. I don't know what happened with this, as can find no other information after this date, Amanda.
@hopeisthething1965so sad isn't it?
@@amandagazidis It is, Amanda.
When Evans poked his nose he told the police this is just my kind of case they showed him the notes and within ten minutes he said this is murder, shocking how the hell could he do that ?
My guess is- a guess only - that Dewi knew either RJ or B (or both) on beforehand and was given pre-advice as to what to “find” - no way they did not know one another on beforehand and spoke (my take and GUT feeling😊)
@@YA-qo7xqI completely agree
That one case Evans decided it was murder in 10 minutes was Baby O, no? Baby O whose death was explained by Taylor at the press conference.
@@YA-qo7xq It is a good guess! The "gang of 4" seems to be expanding its membership in quite a few directions, the more we dive in, the bigger the web seems to get.
Oh my oh my, this is certainly a time of truth being uncovered...
It should have been a red flag both to the consultants themselves and to the police - but they were only too happy to have someone so 'confident' in their powers.
It is surreal that three doctors accusing a nurse of causing the death of patients have themselves been responsible for the death of a patient, two directly, and now a third indirectly by being in charge of the doctor directly responsible. 😱
If this was a movie script, nobody would accept the story as plausible. ☮️
It really is unfathomable!
Unless the movie was in the uncovering a conspiracy genre. Actually, wouldn't the script be brilliant if it was one of the parents who uncovered the conspiracy because they never stopped asking questions about their baby's death, a la Mark Ruffalo's character never stopped, in Dark Waters.
@@ginnythwaite Sounds like an interesting film, Ginny - will look it up.
@hopeisthething1965 To clarify, Ruffalo wasn't playing a parent, he was playing a lawyer. But the sentiment stands.
@@ginnythwaite Yes - i was going to find the trailer for it. Will do that now. 🙂
I'm surprised he hasn't tried to pin that on LL too.
Yes, that is a surprise, Denise.
There are numerous question marks about his background and also his testimony as an expert witness in other cases which may need to be reviewed. He also has links to the discredited Dr Roy Meadow and Dr David Southall.His animus towards hospital management comes through loud and clear in his Talk TV interview "The man who took down baby killer Lucy Letby".
Indeed, Trevor. All that, and more, one suspects. Thanks re that specific interview.
Is that David Southall from Stoke on Trent Hospital who put mother's in prison for killing their babies, when they were natural deaths, that man's a disgrace. Marie from England
@@marietomkinson5910 It would be that one, yes, Marie.
I will read the articles later and see what I can gather, retired nurse here. My gut on first impression is that the incubator probably needed routine maintenance and it may or may not have been done. Like a used by date for food , doesn’t always mean it’s gone bad. Interesting the mom came in for a chest infection, baby healthy on admission and ends up with pneumonia. My gut tells me that baby might have been sick on admission like mom. Babies often don’t show signs of infection like adults because they don’t have the mature immune system to set up a good inflammatory response. Often what we see in infection are signs that your body is trying to fight the infection. My hypothesis is and disclaimer just a gut and not trying to point fault ……. Did they keep a good eye on this baby ? Mom has an infection so they needed to. Or did they just put in a low level nursery for healthy babies. Not being covered by highly trained nurses and doctors who could monitor for sepsis. Again just a hunch
Thank you - it's so hard to tell, without further information as to how this came to be resolved, if it ever was. Or was it settled privately, with an agreement to not contact the press, etc? An apology is mentioned - but an apology for what it doesn't say.
@ hmmmmmmm. Calling John Sweeney to investigate 😜
@@jar942 I wonder if he does know about this - and whether more could be found out by himself and team.
@hopeisthething1965 what’s the best way to get ahold of him? I only do TH-cam. Not into other social media cause I’m old
Better to read "Kidnapped by the State", on Justice for Families, in November 2008, about Dr Dewi Evans. He decided that a mother was deliberately harming her daughter when the daughter was complaining of being in constant pain, with the mother trying to get help for her. Evans decided the mother had Munchausen, got Social Services involved and everyone else, the child was taken into care, separated from the family, forbidden from contacting them, and never got treatment for the pain for years that she was suffering from.
It later turned out the daughter had a rare condition called Zollinger Ellison syndrome, which had never occurred to Evans, he was so convinced the mother was hurting the child, she was prevented from getting treatment by Evans and was taken from her family. The mother Linda Lewis was treated as if she had been harming her child Bonnie Lewis, for many years. Evans was accused of falsifying records to push his idea, and he retired the year after the article called Kidnapped by the State went on the Justice for Families website (November 2008). I would not imagine the state and powers that be were very happy with the position Dr Evans put them in, so got him out as quietly as possible.
Same idea basically Munchausen disease, attention seeking, when a carer says there is something wrong, if he, the doctor, does not have an answer, then the carer must have deliberately harmed them. Linda Lewis (LL) and Lucy Letby (LL) on both occasions he pushed himself forward as the expert of experts and started running the show convinced of his own infallibility and discounting alternative, more likely explanations, and any evidence that did not fit. Especially as the pathologist and review panel had concluded natural causes in 6 out of 7 of the deaths, the other undetermined.
What I admired with the American laws, any expert witnesses must submit their curriculum vitae to the court before the trial.
They also have to introduce themselves and tell the court of their own knowledge of themselves to be credited witness.
In the UK, any stupidity from the witness is hidden underneath the carpet. Voila.
Yes with Dr Evans having to explain what happened concerning Linda and Bonnie Lewis, and that article called Kidnapped by the State on Justice for Families in November 2008. Evans became convinced the mother had Munchausen disease and was deliberately harming her daughter to get attention, as she kept going to the doctor and saying her daughter was in pain.
He pushed himself forward with his idea and got the social services to take the daughter in to care with mother accused of harming her daughter for years. It turned out the mother was telling the truth, and trying to get help because her daughter was in pain, as the latter had a rare condition called Zollinger Ellison syndrome.
The daughter was left untreated for the Zollinger Ellison disease as it had never occurred to Evans, he had said it was all the mother's doing.
I think it was 1996 that it happened when the young girl was 12, but the article on Justice for Families was not until 2008, 12 years later, reading what happened with the daughter was heart breaking. I don't know what happened to the mother the state deciding she had Munchausen disease and harmed her daughter for years.
The State appearing as it did in an article called "Kidnapped by the State" (November 2008) would I have no doubt been decidedly unhappy with Dr Evans, which is no doubt why he retired the following year, as quietly as possible if the State had its way.
@@JM-dm3qk Yes, this could well have been the catalyst.
I think you are on to something here Mark. If a consultant retires from a well paid job at 59 then he would be fairly financially secure? However he carries on working into his 70's - WHY???
FREE LUCY LETBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes - it is curious, isn't it - at least on the face of it, Mark.
@hopeisthething1965 FAO Mark Mayes - I think you are wrong. It is not the death of this child that you spoke of, it is because of what he did concerning Linda Lewis and her daughter Bonnie Lewis.
There is something from November 2008 on Justice for Families called Kidnapped by the State. I cannot post it on here and I can't find anyway to email it to you, though I would if I knew where to send it.
The person who put it on was a family support worker from Surrey, last active on there September 10th, 2010.
Dewi Evans alleged the mother, Linda Lewis, was deliberately harming her daughter, Bonnie Lewis, to get attention, claiming she had Munchausen disease, she was claiming there was something wrong with her daughter, who complained of constant pain. He became fixated on the idea, it was the mother hurting the daughter, and ended up getting the child taken away from the mother by Social Services and I'm not sure if the mother was sectioned or imprisoned.
Finally years later it turned out that the mother had not been harming the daughter, she was genuinely trying to get her daughter medical help, as the daughter years later was found to have been suffering from a rare disease, called Zollinger Ellison syndrome, was in constant pain, and was never provided any treatment, and was forcibly removed from her family and put in care.
He was accused of falsifying records in order to push his theory, it seemed to be around 1996 the daughter was taken by Social Services, I think it said she was 12, and was prevented from contacting her family with a variety of threats.
As it turned out with the state being accused of kidnap, and the mother being treated as having harmed her daughter, for years, breaking up the family, and all because of Evans never thought the child could have a rare disease like Zollinger Ellison and the mother was telling the truth and trying to help her daughter who was suffering. That would be why Evans retired the following year I would guess, it put the authorities in a right bind.
Basically Lucy Letby is a replay of Linda Lewis and Bonnie Lewis, Evans gets the idea that the nurse is deliberately harming the babies in her care and he then pushes himself forward to advance that idea, altering things to make it fit to his idea, and ignoring any evidence which shows it does not fit. The State is persuaded to go along with it, because Evans is so convinced in his infallibility until it came out in 2008 about the Lewis's, so they pushed him out as quietly as possible, the State had already been left with egg on its face, as it were.
Things like a doctor aspirating the abdomen and perforating the liver by using McBurney's point as proposed by Dr Richard Taylor, in baby O's case or in the case of Bonnie Lewis that she actually had Zollinger Ellison syndrome were all ignored by Evans, because it never occurred to him that his opinions about LL (Linda Lewis) or LL (Lucy Letby) could be wrong and his knowledge and experience were limited unlike his opinion of himself.
@@JM-dm3qk That could very well be, JM. Could also possibly be a combination of factors, including Linda and Bonnie Lewis case - or that as the main factor. Perhaps there is more that someone can tell us vis a vis Evans's reason or set of reasons for retiring when he did.
He’ll be on finally salary pension eligibility from 55 yrs.
@@rosiesetchell480 Thanks for this information, Rosie.
Mark again another great find …….. you, along with blacksquare, Tasha, Carl are the new gang of 4. I mean that as a compliment. You tube,s gang of 4, who have limited medical experience take out the physican gang of 4……..love it !!!!!!!!!
Brilliant picture of the 4 😊
@ thank you. What shall we call this new kind gang of 4 ? Something that says they are the good guys ? The white hat gang of 4 as opposed to the black hat gang of 4? That’s an American thing…. In our westerns the good guys wore white cowboy hats…… what’s a British thing ? Bowler hats vs peaked caps ? Wasn’t your social status based a lot about the hat you wore ?
@@jar942 no clue as I’m danish 🙂 BUT in Denmark my guess would be something down the road of “four leaf clover” as finding a four leaf clover means luck/happiness (in DK)
@ yes…… awesome. They are Lucy’s 4 leaf clover. And it’s so nice to see an international flavor to us wanting to help Lucy. I’m a retired nurse that saw so much bullying of nurses in America, that’s why I’m interested in Lucy case
I agree. But Norman Fenton, Richard Gill & Jabe, I also consider part of that group. Those channels are worth you looking at Lucy Letby videos.
A meeting of paediatricians in Chester was reported, one of speakers was Jayaram & Dewi Evans attended?
Is that where he heard of
“ my kind of case?”
Yes, that's right, the Spring Meeting of the Welsh Paediatric Society. Jayaram and Gibbs both spoke at this, at a hotel just outside Chester, in Spring 2017.
Great find Mark. Many doctors take retirement and their pension then continue doing the same job working as their own locum. It would be interesting to know if he actually left the hospital when he retired.
Ah, yes, very interesting, and my friend said the same to me. This could well have happened.
@hopeisthething1965 Comments on the November 2008 Justice for Families in November 2008 included the following concerning Dr Dewi Evans seemed rather prophetic given Evans later role concerning Lucy Letby but on this occasion, not a mental institution but a prison instead.
After all there was the hospital and the medical negligence claim for killing Noah Robinson against the head of the unit Dr Brearey.
After that Grievance Procedure and being made to apologise those doctors would be finding Lucy Letby a very awkward young woman.
They are talking bout Dewi Evans and the case involving Linda Lewis (mother) and her daughter (Bonnie Lewis). the mother was accused of harming her daughter, accused of having Munchausen disease.
She did not, she had tried to get help for her daughter, who was in pain, and it turned out was suffering from Zollinger Ellison syndrome.
There is an article called Kidnapped by the State on Justice for Families, from November 2008 about what happened and about Dewi Evans.
Professor Morley did say in his opinion that it was a witch hunt concerning Lucy Letby.
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If Bonnie is an adult now it would be one for investigative journalist Brian Morgan to be invited to have a look at - there seems to be enough material to justify a book from it.
Certainly in the past - i.e. up to the early 1960's women were often confined to mental institutions for reasons that weren't always genuine. These included, as recently referred-to in the news, TB and other notifiable diseases. Before that we can go back through the early 20th century (and certainly before the 1940's) when "awkward" women were confined to mental institutions, and before that, going back to the 19th century, we have to refer to Wilkie Collins, whose Woman in White was published in 1860 after a series of scandals in the 1850's when physicians routinely institutionalised women who were likely to "blow the whistle" on scandals etc.
www.sparrow11.fizwig.com/index_c ... l#CollinsW
However since Care in the Community in Thatcher's time, finding a convenient mental institution in which to squirrel an "awkward" woman away is mighty hard. You would need the enthusiastic assistance of a lot of people to achieve it, and a good reason for doing so; such as desperately avoiding a humbdinger medical negligance suit."
Hi Mark, I have come across a document involving Dewi evans and another doctor from the high court of justice in northern Ireland that overturned a verdict of un-accidental damage resulting in the children being taken away from their Mother. Both the original conviction judgement and the appeal judgement are explained in the document and relate to judgments made by both doctors. It is interesting reading, especially this bit:
[15] In his judgment the trial judge was critical of Dr Evans, suggesting that his
evidence should have been more considered and structured than in fact it was. I
accept that there is some justification for that criticism but, however frustrating
changes in opinions are, this is a case in which both experts were clearly unsure
about expressing an opinion about whether the injuries were non-accidental but
both did so because they had been asked to and were expected to do so. That
approach is entirely wrong and must be avoided in future. It is definitively not the
role of expert witnesses to tell the court whether they believe injuries are accidental
or non-accidental. That is especially so in cases such as the present and lawyers
should be far more alert to avoid drafting letters of instruction to doctors inviting
them to express their opinion on that issue.
You may already know about this, so apologies if you have already discussed it. If not I would be interested on your take on it.
Thanks so much for this, Mandian. I believe I have come across this, and it is a really interesting further example regarding Evans - and his ways. Really appreciate you bringing it to the fore again. 🙂
@@mandian2 Further proof that Evans clearly doesn't subscribe to 'innocent until proven guilty'.
@hopeisthething1965 , You're welcome, seems like he has his finger in many pies
Thanks for keeping on this Mark, I have never been so active on youtube as I have lately, this has really got to me, I am incensed by their blatant BS and that in itself raises deeper concerns for me. I fear that this is just the tip of the iceberg.
As a therapist and teacher of therapists for over 30 years, the "confession note" crap was the thing that first caught my attention. The use of this type of writing as an intervention is common ! I will never accept that they didn't know that !
@@coleuk8817 Yep !
@@mandian2 Yes - it's the cynicism, isn't it - they did know what they were doing when they misused those counselling notes - which should have remained private and inadmissable.
The timing of his retirement could of course be a complete coincidence. But since we're talking about Evans, no dubious motives can be ruled out.
Yes, it could be co-incidence - or possibly related to other issues - between himself and the hospital.
Thanks for this analysis.
At 6:50, it's odd that a person who brags about setting up a neonatal unit makes no mention of a complaint which alleged multiple failings in neonatal care. 🤔
Very odd indeed - and perhaps conspicuous for its absence - possibly some direct engagement with that situation - perhaps.
It does surprise me how many believe Evans when he said the immortal words, "it seems like a case that will suit me" or words to that effect. Could it not be that he was chosen, if not chosen then prompted to take on the case by people who would benefit from him being a witness. A witness who knows how the courts work, and also have a posse of willing helpers. We have all read how difficult it is to get a witness to appear in court. But it seems like Dr Dewi had no difficulty in getting witnesses to go along with his charade. That charade being a well orchestrated fit up concocted by desperate doctors, nhs and oh so willing to look good Cheshire police.
I think you could well be right, James. That he was chosen - by prior arrangement, as it were, and by prior fore-knowledge of the events and of the suspicions/game-plan of the consultants. I don't think it was a random coming together of the most dangerous 'expert' you can imagine with the most corrupt consultants and the most corrupt police you can imagine - it all works too well to be an accident.
It may have looked like he was making a speculative application - but i suspect, as you also clearly do, there was some other track going on.
Intresting points.
Thank you.
Dr Dewi ( find me a scapegoat for NHS failings ) Evans !
yes, that's the fella
Just read the welsh article. Baby died from bilateral pneumonia……. That’s says sepsis…… looks like other adult patients care was substandard……. Wondering if not enough staff, staff so overwhelmed and burnt out, not enough money in budget. Sounds like your typical crap hospital we see here in America. There are great ones and really bad ones…. You can often tell which ones are good just by how rich the surrounding neighborhood. Again disclaimer, not pointing fingers of blame just thinking out loud
Thanks so much, Jar. Sepsis. Ah - yes. And there are other deaths that occur there a couple of years later - which on further investigation, reports discuss staffing and problems with the unit as a whole - ie the unit at the Singleton Hospital - and certain essential guidelines not followed.
@ mark. I think when Lucy’s case is finally over…. If you could some up what really killed those babies ( besides doctors sticking needles where they shouldn’t ) would be the word……. Poo and I don’t mean Winnie the poo, I mean the bullshit coming outta dewy Evans mouth and the shit leaking out of the pipes…….. sepsis is probably the greatest killer of newborns….. time to bring back sanitation…. The stuff Florence nightingale proved could save lives.
I can tell you from my own experience that if a hospital gave an apology it would have to be draged out of them and very serious... usually an apology is only given because a hospital knows it has no other option.
it's not like your friend saying sorry... it tends to be admission of something very serious.
Yes, I quite take your point here. It would be an admission of something serious. Thank you, Diana.
I wouldn't be surprised, Mark. He comes across as completely incompetent, and I definitely wouldn't trust any of my childrens care with him. Hopefully, if they have been issues, they too will come to light too 🙏
I hope so too, Henna - more will come to light as things move forward.
@hopeisthething1965definitely 🙏
The case of Robbie Powell who wasn’t diagnosed with a treatable disease, went on to collapse & die, after DR refused ambulance so dad had to drive him to hospital, he died later that day.
Heartbreaking case, Dewi Evans was the consultant & covered for doctors that wrote up notes after Robbie died!
Went to European court, but lost because law says Drs are not obliged by law to tell you the diagnosis of your child!
Yes, that was such an awful series of failures, wasn't it? Harrowing to listen to, on the John Sweeney podcast recently.
I seem to remember Evans boasting about the fact that his department never 'lost' a baby... but I may be wrong.
Interesting. Thank you, Turquoiseblue.
@hopeisthething1965Britpak tv short dreadlocks not an Afro! Correction
@turquoiseblue228 Further evidence of him blowing his own trumpet then. He has also been quoted as boasting that he's never lost a criminal case that he's been involved in as an 'expert' witness. This is despite the supposed 'independent' nature of his role in such cases.
Edit: He actually said he'd only lost one case.
@@coleuk8817 Extraordinary, isn't it - and he was taken to task for this stance in the most recent Felicity Lawrence article in the Guardian.
@hopeisthething1965 Definitely is yes. And the more we learn about Evans, the more staggering it becomes that Goss didn't agree to Myers' request to have his evidence thrown out of court.
I'm probably one of the last people to listen to Michael McConville's podcast "The Other Side of Lucy Letby". If only Lucy Letby had a few more experts like him then there wouldn't be all this mess ...
Where can I find this podcast please ?
@@ellsvsp I posted a reply but it keeps getting deleted. Try googling.
@@ellsvsp looks like my replies are not getting through.
Yes - he is marvellous, Edward. I will try and write the link below - broken up, so to speak.
if you try this ells - but put the sections together plse:
1962strat.podbean .com/
Sorry about this but I keep banging on about the broken drains, what fumes were they producing , this should have been investigated further, experts should be involved. Marie from England 🏴🌹
Pseudomonas aeruginosa, for one thing.
Interesting indeed
Hi. It’s interesting of course but this baby wasn’t well - a 15 day old would not be put in an incubator if they were well. You have an usual hat on today - is it a tiny Fez?
That is true - and there are probably other aspects we don't know about from that report. It's hard to say, as there seems to be no follow-up. And no sense of how this was resolved between the parents and the hospital/health board, or if legal action was ever taken, or some other settlement made. And indeed, whether something may have been covered up here.
its a wide reaching web of deceit....there could be hundreds of cases of strange coincidences....there could be lots of parents sitting at home who have lost babies
Yes, indeed, it is like a web
Very possible connection . Lucy letby case is his retirement fund x
That’s a sickening thought, if true.
Is it possible to get a FOI about the incident such as any compensation payout I expect would be in the public domain, e.g. in the annual report.
That's a good idea - am thinking of doing an FOI re med neg cases brought re CoCH - at the suggestion of my friend - but it's how to couch it so that they don't reply with the usual rebuff about ongoing investigations.
Interesting video as ever. I wonder whether or not Dr Evans had a direct input into this baby's care might be gleaned from the relevant coroners Office, assuming an inquest had occurred. I guess it's not unusual for doctors, especially hospital consultants to retire from NHS work at 60, in fact many retire at 55 as they can often do this without much reduction in their NHS pension, depending on how many years service they have. Many will continue or expand their private practice or undertake other paid work, like that nice Dr Evans
Thank you, Adrian. I'm not sure if there was an inquest in this case. And thanks regarding the info about retirement age - I hadn't realised or thought it might be that young. But that also they can continue working despite being 'retired' - as a locum, or private, as you say here.
I was a nurse for 20 years before i left to care for my vaccine injured son. I sure some very egoistic bully consultants who looked down on nurses.
McConville posted a new episode, "Leave Elegance to the Tailor" and with it, a link to McDonald's, Rex V Letby Court of Appeal
Thank you, Ginny. I hope to listen to that soon.
@hopeisthething1965 I was wrong, it's a link to the pdf of the Court of Appeal's judgement of 2024. Sorry about that, got overexcited.
The 2011 Sepsis death at Singleton is interesting me because of their Vicky Pollard explanation . I suspect non-consensual Ranitodine trials in these settings . Sorry bit of a segway
really interesting, Goydivision, thank you.
Hi Mark, have you heard the latest Pod by John Sweeney?
I have, yes, Simone - it was a very powerful episode, wasn't it! Extraordinary. Thanks so much. All best. Mark
Mark .... i need to choose my words very carefully indeed
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I learned via the internet that Dewi Evans has (doctor) "God Sons"
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I am having dealings WITH a "Dr Evans" with a Swansea accent !!!!!
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This man ????...... i've had to go to the police ...(who ummm rebuffed me)
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THIS DOCTOR HAS LEFT ME INJURED !!!!!!!!!!!
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In 2019 ...... until October 2023 .... he left me suffering in excess of 500 mini heart seizures in my opinion
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Unlike Dewi Evans ....... i cannot say very much ...(esp his christian name) ..... as he maybe right now in a state of "disposition"
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I am "NOTHING" ...... but i cannot make an accusation of any kind right now
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If anybody can name the "God Sons" it would help !!!!!!
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BUT MUST FOCUS ON LUCY
Thank you, Steve. I am very sorry to hear that you have been injured. I hope you can find a way to get this looked into in a proper fashion. Although, I suspect that is difficult in this day and age. I hadn't come across the idea of God sons hitherto.
@hopeisthething1965 Many Thanks for replying 🙂
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Like those who turned on Lucy ...... they seem "gate keepers" that seem to have had knowledge STOP !!!!!!
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(Flip to Lucy's plight) ....(which mirrors my own)
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It's very "suttle" ....."high end" ..... whilst also being "feathered with their own vanity"
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They half "booted around" in her life ...... to "reinvent" Lucy in a complete different light almost from Day 1
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So ...... everything their efforts went into ...... were based on this customized "charactour" that also "capped out" at the same level in their medical / scientific evidence that they pledged in court 😞
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But ????.... in this "COLD and CALCULATING WORLD" that Lucy Letby was suppost to have lived in........ THE POLICE FOUND NOTHING .....(that wasn't explicable) .........
(we know of the shredder and the change over sheets).......... but not ONE txt message that implied this "evil" character they portrayed....... or one item of evidence that she "lived" this sudo world
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I'm stuck for words ........ it's like they plodded in on a white horse with a Sherriff's badge into Oklahoma
in the year of 1888 ............ GIVE ME STRENGTH
Initially thought you had a man bun but no, a light fitting.
Ah, yes, I can only dream of a man-bun! Light fitting is a good start though! All best for 2025, Maz.
Free lucy and al fayed
I'm not aware of the al fayed case, sorry. But yes indeed - Free Lucy Letby
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The average retirement age for a consultant in the UK is around 59.6 years old. My consultant surgeon is about to retire I am guessing from her age she will be 60
Ah, thank you. That is interesting, Diana. Earlier than I would have thought.
@hopeisthething1965 The pension cap meant that many consultants were working for virtually nothing. To achieve a full NHS pension doctors were at a disadvantage as they do not graduate until a minimum of 23 years old and therefore do not start earning and accumulating pension until then. Some doctors do “retire and return” receiving their pension but also some salary. Financially attractive and a gradual adaptation to retirement. Some doctors continue to do private practice or medico legal work but they must continue to be fully registered with the GMC and pass annual appraisal. Medicolegal work is extremely lucrative but also time consuming and stressful. The recommendation is that medicolegal work should only be done by those recently retired from clinical practice. If a doctor is not fully registered with the GMC then he may not be subject to annual appraisal which includes a commitment to continuing medical education (CME points).
I retired completely at 59! I have never done a medicolegal case in my life. I did however receive a number of letters from solicitors requesting me to do so, sometimes accompanied by the patient’s notes. Having attended inquests etc I had no desire to increase my exposure to the legal environment. For those of you with medical knowledge, the very thorough “The Other Side of Lucy Letby” podcast by an incredibly enthusiastic and diligent GP is worth a listen. Episode 50 came out yesterday!!