It is so awesome than Jan treats each machine like it's his personal use machine. A lot of other youtubers would have just hosed it off and thrown it aside once they found the fault in a "repair marathon". Even though Jan probably has dozens of breadbins, the next owner will treasure this machine because of the care he put into it.
We had SECAM in Poland. In the time when we were in the process of switching to PAL the press titled it as: "ImPALement". So funny that I remember it after 25 years or so.
Nearly all OIRT countries, with the exception of Finland and China, used SECAM, with a special band plan designed in an attempt to prevent Western broadcasts from being received. Finland was a special case, as they were simultaneously members of OIRT and EBU before the two were merged.
@@douro20 you know, I'd often wondered why the USSR went with SECAM when it was slightly more costly to implement in circuitry. Hadn't considered deliberate incompatibility with neighbouring broadcasts would be part of it, but it makes total sense.
You should call your landlord to renew the silicone joints in your shower, because there is mold in it. Its not only unhealthy, it also can damage the building. Molded joints lose their sealing function... To get rid of the mold only, u can use for example "Mellerud Schimmelentferner mit aktiv Chlor" (Mold killer with chloride)! 😉 But nice video! Love your effort!
Hello Jan, thanks for the effort to shoot the video! Back then I had a "Magic Formula" module and I liked the machine language monitor and its features to speed up disk operations - well worth checking out
I really enjoyed this video. Especially since I’ve been doing similar cleaning myself and like to see your techniques. It feels so good giving new life to these machines.
Had a c64 with a tape drive. Modem and printer in college in the mid 80’s. Used it to access the schools mainframe for my Fortran class. Much easier to do it from my room late at night. And that allowed me to avoid programming via punchcards.
I wish I’d had a C64 back then. My roommate and I had to rent a terminal. We probably could have bought a C64 for what we spent that year. Did you have other people working on programming assignments in your room until the wee hours? We really should have charged for it.
I would hook it to a CRT monitor, run some demos and see if the color is the only thing that's wrong. As I always say, a flaky chip is better than none.
es gab mehere SECAM Standards - in Frankreich z.B. eine andere Variante als in Ost-Europa (z.B. Polen). Ich kann mich erinnern, dass wir in den 80er Jahren einen Fernseher nach Frankreich mitnehmen wollten, welcher PAL/SECAM unterstützte, dort dann aber nur ein S/W Bild anzeigte. Nach Nachfrage bei einem Fernsehtechniker (damals gabs kein Google ;) ) erklärte er uns den Unterschied zwischen SECAM-OST und dem in Frankreich genutzten SECAM
Ah, du hast recht, daran habe ich nicht gedacht! Ich erinnere mich vage daran, dass wir früher terrestrisch DDR-Fernsehen empfangen konnten (bin in der Nähe von Lübeck aufgewachsen, also relativ nahe an der Grenze), allerdings wurde das nur in schwarz-weiß angezeigt. Das war dann ziemlich sicher im SECAM-Ost Standard. Danke für die Erinnerung! :)
Those EPROMs are less sensitive than most people believe. I once left some outside on the window board for a whole summer and they still were not blank. Corrupted, sure, but even months of direct sunlight didn't fully erase them. So I would say an EPROM that is enclosed in a plastic shell should be totally safe.
True class act at work, taking such care and perfection. It is Amazing what a man like you can do. If I was on a rocket to the moon, you are on my long list, my very long list of people at mission control watching my back!
OMG I have the same exact model hot air station and Weller soldering iron on my work desk. Hate the air's digital temp dial (except for the analog air flow dial), and love the analog temp Weller. heh
Hi Jan 😊. Thanks for your great stuff. I have a question; do you know where in the EU I can find the type of "crow bar" you're using for lifting the smaller chips?
Yes! It's called a "Chip Lifter", and is available from mouser (which is in Sweden atleast). His other chip-extractor is also available from the same site. (called "EX-2") I have bought both since seeing them on Jan's channel, and they are worth the price.
The one I use (only just got it for my birthday very recently) is a Wiha brand kind of "deluxe“ version of that chip lifter. You can definitely get away with less expensive ones! Works way better than using a screwdriver though. :D
you should invest in a small cheap ultrasonic cleaner, like the ones used for rings. think you can pick them up for around 30 - 50 $ would save a lot of time on the springs and such. i mean if your going to be working on things like this a lot.
Hallo Jan. Ich hab da so eine Frage im Kopf... Wäre es nicht sicherer Boards mit noch vorhandenen Komponenten nicht direkt unter den laufenden Wasserhahn zu halten? Die Wasserleitungen sind ja, wie Wasser ja auch, leitfähig. Sicherlich sollte/darf das eigentlich nicht sein das Wasserhähne bzw. das Wasser was aus dem Hahn kommt irgendwie Strom führt, aber was wenn doch? Lieben Gruß aus Köln. 👍✌
Wenn die Wasserleitungen anständig verlegt sind, sind die geerdet, also besteht keine akute Gefahr für die Boards. Ist natürlich trotzdem immer ein bisschen ein Risiko. Ideal wäre ein Ultraschallreiniger, der für Platinen ausgelegt ist. Leider sind die in solchen Größen immer noch recht teuer.
Ah, I tried the switching regulators some times and they do work fine (except for the 12V regulators causing some weird behavior from the SID in certain configurations). I wanted to keep this one original though.
hey jan..! super folge mit meinen liebling rechner..! eine frage: sollte man kondis und co. tauschen wenn sie extremen schlamm ab bekommen haben? gerade im bezug auslaufen/lebensdauer?? .. ich hatte einmal ein simos basic modul in einem gammelhaus gefunden. das lag im regen-wasser. ich habs gereinigt und es funktioniert heute noch. die teile sind echt robus, vach 10 jahrent..! alles gute, danke für die clips und ich wünsch dir und allen einen restliche schönen sommer, und wenig regen .-)
Yes, my test C64 is going to need a new VIC of some description. I’m going to leave the working one in the rescued Commodore for now because it is the nicer one by far. :)
Considering how many of these 'thousand screw keyboards' Jan has to dismantle, I am surprised that some tool kit maker doesn't send him an electric screwdriver for 'review'.
I don't really like using power tools in these restorations. The parts are usually super brittle and I like to have some fine control over the tension etc. For those keyboard screws, an electric screwdriver would probably be just fine though. ;)
Yeah, unfortunately the retro computing hobby got more expensive in recent years. Hope you manage to find a reasonably priced one soon! Maybe try joining one of the retro forums and ask around a bit, most of the time there's some friendly people around who won't ask current eBay moon prices.
@@JanBetabreadbin's are plentiful for around 100 to 150 euros working but the 64C is a bit harder to find. Some people have the courage to ask 500+ euros for one. Just takes some time and have a bit of luck.
I am definitely going to read up on the Magic Formel cart. Seems to be interesting! If I manage to find enough interesting stuff to make a video, I'm going to do it. :)
@JanBeta I still have my Magic Formel (gray case with a freezer button on it) that I got way back then. It was my go-to cartridge for every day assembly programming, freezing, hacking. Super stoked to see one of them in a retro video finally! I had the impression that nobody ever heard of this cartridge type except for me! :-D It has some super neat features like assembler coding in the basic editor, a really good fast loader that does not need any extra cables, machine monitor and basic extension. It also gives you a 1351 mouse interface (F7 on the reset screen) but I did not find that as useful as the rest of the module. Keep up the great work, Jan!
I didn't touch this one before I made the video. It was in the flooded basement that I restored several systems from previously but I kind of forgot about it until now and it was just sitting here in a box for around two years.
Probably a matter of production cost. These home computer systems were all built to be as inexpensive to produce as possible back in the day. It's quite amazing that the Commodore machines have halfway proper keyboards at all I guess (compared to some other manufacturers like the Sinclair rubber & membrane keyboards etc).
funny is that such production is much easier to do, cheaper, so they went the more expensive and worse, for some money reasons, someone sold them the worse solution, against true reason@@JanBeta
eine frage an alle fans: ich hatte für den 64er...ca. 1991 ein modul mit basic erweiterung, was graphik und besonderes (!!) sounds erleichterte in basic zu programmieren. leider muß das ein seltenes modul gewesen sei, habs bis heute nicht mehr gesehenn...war grau als farbe...und war ca. 50 mark teuer (?!) ..hat jemand n tipp?..lg und alles gute euch..und ne super zeit!! euer krautrockt!er🙂
Kann es sein, das du aus Deutschland bist? Und Englisch für ein breiteres Publikum gewählt hast? 😅 Wobei Schweiz und Österreich auch im Bereich des Möglichen liegen... Nice work btw...
Yes, I've been looking into that for a while now. I think I'm eventually going to get one (although the larger sized ones I would need are quite expensive unfortunately).
@@JanBeta thanks for answer, unfortunately its expensive, but you deserve! Your passion to revive those machines, someone sponsor jan beta with a ultrasonic!!!!!!!!
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It is so awesome than Jan treats each machine like it's his personal use machine. A lot of other youtubers would have just hosed it off and thrown it aside once they found the fault in a "repair marathon". Even though Jan probably has dozens of breadbins, the next owner will treasure this machine because of the care he put into it.
@@Throckmorton.ScribblemongerProbably unlikely that had any bad effect on it. Better than rushing a restoration due to lack of time or inclination.
We had SECAM in Poland. In the time when we were in the process of switching to PAL the press titled it as: "ImPALement". So funny that I remember it after 25 years or so.
Nearly all OIRT countries, with the exception of Finland and China, used SECAM, with a special band plan designed in an attempt to prevent Western broadcasts from being received. Finland was a special case, as they were simultaneously members of OIRT and EBU before the two were merged.
Haha, that is hilarious. :D
Thanks for explanation.@@douro20
@@douro20 you know, I'd often wondered why the USSR went with SECAM when it was slightly more costly to implement in circuitry. Hadn't considered deliberate incompatibility with neighbouring broadcasts would be part of it, but it makes total sense.
So much pure alcohol vapor in the air from all that spraying.. I bet you were feeling quite happy after all that work 😁
Massive thanks for your support, Jan ♥
Great work Jan! Always nice to see a C64 being restored!
Thanks! Super happy with the result. :)
Arghh..! What a spoiler.
Sorry. Don't read comments before watching :)@@jenshoffmannolsen
"THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS"
Thanks! It's always great fun to resurrect these machines (although it can be a bit tedious at times)! :D
@@JanBeta I always found that the tedious moments can be quite meditative... Not always though, sometimes things can be a bugger!
You should call your landlord to renew the silicone joints in your shower, because there is mold in it. Its not only unhealthy, it also can damage the building. Molded joints lose their sealing function... To get rid of the mold only, u can use for example "Mellerud Schimmelentferner mit aktiv Chlor" (Mold killer with chloride)! 😉
But nice video! Love your effort!
Hello Jan, thanks for the effort to shoot the video! Back then I had a "Magic Formula" module and I liked the machine language monitor and its features to speed up disk operations - well worth checking out
I am definitely going to look into the Magic Formel some more. Seems to have a lot of functionality. :)
It's funny how the TV sees the weird signal and just goes "Hmm, must be French!"... :P
I really enjoyed this video. Especially since I’ve been doing similar cleaning myself and like to see your techniques. It feels so good giving new life to these machines.
Nice work I’ve had several c64s loved owning them sold them and to this day I regret doing that.. thanks for sharing 👍👍👍
Top work as always Jan! Another C64 given a new lease of life.
Had a c64 with a tape drive. Modem and printer in college in the mid 80’s. Used it to access the schools mainframe for my Fortran class. Much easier to do it from my room late at night. And that allowed me to avoid programming via punchcards.
Nice! I love the fact that the C64 had so many uses back in the day, even for more "professional" use cases. :)
I wish I’d had a C64 back then. My roommate and I had to rent a terminal. We probably could have bought a C64 for what we spent that year.
Did you have other people working on programming assignments in your room until the wee hours? We really should have charged for it.
At 27:34, the "broken" VIC II might have pin 21 placed out of socket. But I doubt it was misplaced twice. Difficult to see.
And this is pin 21 right? Color clock...
@29:44 is more clear
I would hook it to a CRT monitor, run some demos and see if the color is the only thing that's wrong. As I always say, a flaky chip is better than none.
I'm going to check that, thanks for pointing that out. It may very well be that it had a bent or crusty pin!
Fascinating work. Many thanks Jan :)
Glad you like it! :)
es gab mehere SECAM Standards - in Frankreich z.B. eine andere Variante als in Ost-Europa (z.B. Polen). Ich kann mich erinnern, dass wir in den 80er Jahren einen Fernseher nach Frankreich mitnehmen wollten, welcher PAL/SECAM unterstützte, dort dann aber nur ein S/W Bild anzeigte. Nach Nachfrage bei einem Fernsehtechniker (damals gabs kein Google ;) ) erklärte er uns den Unterschied zwischen SECAM-OST und dem in Frankreich genutzten SECAM
Ah, du hast recht, daran habe ich nicht gedacht! Ich erinnere mich vage daran, dass wir früher terrestrisch DDR-Fernsehen empfangen konnten (bin in der Nähe von Lübeck aufgewachsen, also relativ nahe an der Grenze), allerdings wurde das nur in schwarz-weiß angezeigt. Das war dann ziemlich sicher im SECAM-Ost Standard. Danke für die Erinnerung! :)
So good to see another of your videos. I know it's going to be a good one when you put on the "murder gloves"...
Only that my "murder gloves" are used to resurrect things (most of the times). ;)
Lovely job, great to see it all fresh and improved. 😊
Those EPROMs are less sensitive than most people believe.
I once left some outside on the window board for a whole summer and they still were not blank.
Corrupted, sure, but even months of direct sunlight didn't fully erase them.
So I would say an EPROM that is enclosed in a plastic shell should be totally safe.
These videos are so enjoyable. Especially the ones where you really struggle to locate the solutions. Vielen dank Jan
Thanks! Glad you enjoy watching these (I certainly enjoy making them)!
True class act at work, taking such care and perfection. It is Amazing what a man like you can do. If I was on a rocket to the moon, you are on my long list, my very long list of people at mission control watching my back!
I feel honored although I guess (and hope) they would probably use more modern technology at Mission Control these days... :D
Thank You Jan excellent video. Cheers
OMG I have the same exact model hot air station and Weller soldering iron on my work desk. Hate the air's digital temp dial (except for the analog air flow dial), and love the analog temp Weller. heh
Great job Jan!
Great work, klasse gemacht :-) And I was very amazed seeing Swiss Army Knifes on your bench!!! :-) Best wishes, Michael...
Thanks! Yes, Swiss army knives are invaluable tools for me. :)
😃
Jan ho sempre detto che sei in gamba,computer perfetto!
I also had a Magic Formel back then, afaik it had also a fastloader, funktionkeys in basic for dir/fileloading, hex monitor, and some more goodies ..
Nice! I'm definitely going to look into that cartridge some more. Possibly there's even going to be a video eventually. :)
Jan, awesome video and well done with the flood saved computers. Where did you get that awesome shirt from?
Thanks! I think I got the shirt from an eBay seller but it was ages ago so I'm not 100% sure.
Quite liked Simon’s basic back in the day.
Yes! It was awesome. I remember playing around with it a lot as a kid, making my own sprites and drawing graphics and such. :)
Hi Jan 😊. Thanks for your great stuff. I have a question; do you know where in the EU I can find the type of "crow bar" you're using for lifting the smaller chips?
Yes! It's called a "Chip Lifter", and is available from mouser (which is in Sweden atleast). His other chip-extractor is also available from the same site. (called "EX-2")
I have bought both since seeing them on Jan's channel, and they are worth the price.
@@dozern Thank you 🙂. Seems much better than the homemade one I'm using today.
The one I use (only just got it for my birthday very recently) is a Wiha brand kind of "deluxe“ version of that chip lifter. You can definitely get away with less expensive ones! Works way better than using a screwdriver though. :D
@@JanBeta Haha! Thank you, Jan. I'll have a look at Mouser and perhaps add something to my wishlist 😅.
Great work Jan!
Thank you! :)
Great job!
Excellent work as always.
Thank you! :)
you should invest in a small cheap ultrasonic cleaner, like the ones used for rings. think you can pick them up for around 30 - 50 $ would save a lot of time on the springs and such. i mean if your going to be working on things like this a lot.
Hallo Jan. Ich hab da so eine Frage im Kopf... Wäre es nicht sicherer Boards mit noch vorhandenen Komponenten nicht direkt unter den laufenden Wasserhahn zu halten? Die Wasserleitungen sind ja, wie Wasser ja auch, leitfähig. Sicherlich sollte/darf das eigentlich nicht sein das Wasserhähne bzw. das Wasser was aus dem Hahn kommt irgendwie Strom führt, aber was wenn doch? Lieben Gruß aus Köln. 👍✌
Wenn die Wasserleitungen anständig verlegt sind, sind die geerdet, also besteht keine akute Gefahr für die Boards. Ist natürlich trotzdem immer ein bisschen ein Risiko. Ideal wäre ein Ultraschallreiniger, der für Platinen ausgelegt ist. Leider sind die in solchen Größen immer noch recht teuer.
Yes, another c64! Im happy!
Great video as always mate! Surprised you opted to stick with the 7805 and 12 and didnt go for a DC to DC switching alternative.
Ah, I tried the switching regulators some times and they do work fine (except for the 12V regulators causing some weird behavior from the SID in certain configurations). I wanted to keep this one original though.
Love your streams Jan keep it up 😂
hey jan..! super folge mit meinen liebling rechner..! eine frage: sollte man kondis und co. tauschen wenn sie extremen schlamm ab bekommen haben? gerade im bezug auslaufen/lebensdauer?? .. ich hatte einmal ein simos basic modul in einem gammelhaus gefunden. das lag im regen-wasser. ich habs gereinigt und es funktioniert heute noch. die teile sind echt robus, vach 10 jahrent..! alles gute, danke für die clips und ich wünsch dir und allen einen restliche schönen sommer, und wenig regen .-)
The broken VIC looked like you had a pin out of the socket...
Yes, that might actually be. I am going to check that again!
Having used a donor VIC, it'll need a replacement VIC or Kawari, yes?
Yes, my test C64 is going to need a new VIC of some description. I’m going to leave the working one in the rescued Commodore for now because it is the nicer one by far. :)
Considering how many of these 'thousand screw keyboards' Jan has to dismantle, I am surprised that some tool kit maker doesn't send him an electric screwdriver for 'review'.
I don't really like using power tools in these restorations. The parts are usually super brittle and I like to have some fine control over the tension etc. For those keyboard screws, an electric screwdriver would probably be just fine though. ;)
I really need to get myself a C64c like i had in the past.
They are just so hard to get for a decent price.
Yeah, unfortunately the retro computing hobby got more expensive in recent years. Hope you manage to find a reasonably priced one soon! Maybe try joining one of the retro forums and ask around a bit, most of the time there's some friendly people around who won't ask current eBay moon prices.
@@JanBetabreadbin's are plentiful for around 100 to 150 euros working but the 64C is a bit harder to find.
Some people have the courage to ask 500+ euros for one.
Just takes some time and have a bit of luck.
@@JanBeta The last one I bought of eBay UK was £25. They are not at all expensive here.
I'm interested to get one too👍
Thats how i lost my Apple II GS a commadore 128 and 5 IBM PC's from the early to late 80's
How about, since you live in Germany, Ballistol for the keyboard springs?
Yes, that would work fine, too!
Yes. C64 repairs.
I've not seen a new one anywhere cos people think we are tired of them. I am not one of those people.
There's no such thing as being tired of C64 repairs for me! :D
I'm unsure if it's just on my end, but I can hear sound out of only one side throughout the entire video.
I can hear both sides.
It's okay on my end, probably a problem with your playback device. Or maybe TH-cam acts up in funny ways again (which it does occasionally).
HAHA Kontakte mit einem Radiergummi von Gut & Günstig sauber machen - da sagt die Marke schon wie es geht! 🙂
Geht auch gut mit anderen Fabrikaten. ;)
Yay the 64 lives still
There's something unsettling about that Bert head.
It's the remainder of an old hand puppet I had since I was a kid. It's now watching over me when I repair stuff. :D
Please make a vide on that Magic Formel cartridge and maybe that BASIC cart, too.
I am definitely going to read up on the Magic Formel cart. Seems to be interesting! If I manage to find enough interesting stuff to make a video, I'm going to do it. :)
@JanBeta I still have my Magic Formel (gray case with a freezer button on it) that I got way back then. It was my go-to cartridge for every day assembly programming, freezing, hacking. Super stoked to see one of them in a retro video finally! I had the impression that nobody ever heard of this cartridge type except for me! :-D It has some super neat features like assembler coding in the basic editor, a really good fast loader that does not need any extra cables, machine monitor and basic extension. It also gives you a 1351 mouse interface (F7 on the reset screen) but I did not find that as useful as the rest of the module. Keep up the great work, Jan!
28:00 Secam was used in France and East Germany.
Thanks!
Hey, thanks for the donation! Glad you liked the video! :)
I got some idea for your next video. You can show some "Eastern" computers from 1980's (Czechoslovakian) :)
I wish I could get my hands on one of those!
For rusty metal parts use evaporust. I swear by the stuff, it's reusable and non toxic.
Ah, yes, I've seen Adam Savage use that stuff. I don't know if it's available here in Germany but I'm going to look around a bit! Thanks!
Is this the same one from a year ago or a different one? Oh, a barn find, or basement find.
I didn't touch this one before I made the video. It was in the flooded basement that I restored several systems from previously but I kind of forgot about it until now and it was just sitting here in a box for around two years.
Nice.
Thanks! Super happy with how it turned out. Definitely worth the effort in my opinion! :)
Wait - did you give the VIC II from your machine to fix someone else's? Did you have them in stock? 🤔
The C64 is mine to keep actually. I'm slowly running out of replacement VIC-IIs, I'm going to have to look for more spares sometime soon.
so why the keyboards and stuff are not fully film based, enclosed, water proof
heating would be dealt with pass-through interface on aluminium metal chassis, even the aluminium being the passive heat sink
pcbway is expensive
touch pressure screen for everything, ie, three states, not touching, touching and pressed
Probably a matter of production cost. These home computer systems were all built to be as inexpensive to produce as possible back in the day. It's quite amazing that the Commodore machines have halfway proper keyboards at all I guess (compared to some other manufacturers like the Sinclair rubber & membrane keyboards etc).
funny is that such production is much easier to do, cheaper, so they went the more expensive and worse, for some money reasons, someone sold them the worse solution, against true reason@@JanBeta
minute 34:37 looking at the link in the video, exelent!!!!
eine frage an alle fans: ich hatte für den 64er...ca. 1991 ein modul mit basic erweiterung, was graphik und besonderes (!!) sounds erleichterte in basic zu programmieren. leider muß das ein seltenes modul gewesen sei, habs bis heute nicht mehr gesehenn...war grau als farbe...und war ca. 50 mark teuer (?!) ..hat jemand n tipp?..lg und alles gute euch..und ne super zeit!! euer krautrockt!er🙂
Hi JAN BETO LONG TIME SINCE IVE SEEN C 63
was für ein spiel war das am schluss?
Das ist "The Bear Essentials" von Pond Software. Sehr empfehlenswertes Spiel von vor ein paar Jahren. Mehr Infos hier: pondsoft.uk/bear.html
Kann es sein, das du aus Deutschland bist? Und Englisch für ein breiteres Publikum gewählt hast? 😅 Wobei Schweiz und Österreich auch im Bereich des Möglichen liegen... Nice work btw...
Is it only I who spots the leg bent out of place on the VIC chip @ 27:34?
Chances are that I missed that. Several people have pointed that out in the comments. Maybe the VIC-II is fine after all!
I couldn't see any reason that it shouldn't work as it wasn't connected to power when it got wet
Dude, imagine all the crud and crap and dissolved minerals in the floodwater.
@@8BitNaptime no what I meant is once it was cleaned not just to power it on as it was
You need a ultrasonic cleaner! Make your life easer
Yes, I've been looking into that for a while now. I think I'm eventually going to get one (although the larger sized ones I would need are quite expensive unfortunately).
@@JanBeta thanks for answer, unfortunately its expensive, but you deserve! Your passion to revive those machines, someone sponsor jan beta with a ultrasonic!!!!!!!!
No retrobright? 🙄
Why would I redrobright it when it isn't yellowed? :D