As a EX Mormon bible believing trusting born again Christian you are cutting down lies with the sword of truth on this channel thank you for keeping it direct and loving to the LDS people.
The serpent told the human race that disobeying God was the only way to realize their fullest happiness and potential, and this delusion has sunk deep into every human heart. Tim Keller
so Adam was fooled and now we are all born with evil? What father would do what God has done to errant children, dam them with eternal suffering. That's pretty strict.
Actually the bible really does not say any human will be tortured eternally. Everyone dies. They're dead until the resurrection. Hell is translated from 5 different words meaning different things. The lake of fire can't be thrown into the lake of fire. Death is the end. The holy spirit is what breathes life intocreation. If we believe in an eternal punishing of a live soul we are saying Gods spirit is going to be keeping people Alive for eternity in hell? No. Only jesus can make us eternal. Nothing else. We are not immortal unless jesus gives us eternal life and salvation. The dead will be raised and we will all be judged. The bible says the dead know nothing. Also the wages of sin is death not immortality in hell. Google all this it is true all in the bible.
@Headless Horseman I guess that I am really bowled over by the logic and strength of your argument, that I guess that I will change my faith and follow Jesus. What did Jesus say? "He that believeth and is baptised shall be saved." Does that not contradict the Evangelical Christian biblical interpretation from the 1960's? Which one am I supposed to believe: the words of Jesus Christ or the Evangelical Christian biblical interpretation from the 1960's? Oh about the Book of Mormon validation, maybe you should get in touch with more current facts. here is a good one to listen to:- Book of Mormon evidence they didn't tell you about th-cam.com/video/nRxdGUp3LKY/w-d-xo.html I would be interested to know what way God's words are written? I thought it was delivered through prophets and not for private interpretation. If you listen to Bart Erhman, the supposed definition of the Trinity was not a 1st century Christian teaching. Please correct me if I am wrong with your knowledge of the scriptures and the whole process of transmission of the scriptures of our day. Can you please identify the prophet who sanctioned this, as God is the same, yesterday, today and tomorrow: "Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secrets unto his servants the prophets." So if it wasnt a biblical teaching from the prophets, who came up with the idea, and who endorsed it? Oh was that a minority group who had wealth and political power? Who backed that up? Oh Constantine a wife killing, child killing murderous pagan Sun worshipper: I don't mean the Son of God either. Obviously a prophet who had authority to make such a declaration Can you explain to me John 1, in the beginning of what? Is this a relative or absolute beginning? I look forward to hearing from you.
We are saved by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ. No works involved. It's heartbreaking to see these demonic cults (and that's exactly what they are) such as the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses preaching otherwise. Salvation is a perfectly free gift.
Shaun Butterfield we are saved by faith, faith is the desire for a relationship with God and that he will save you from your sins through his son. Jesus saves you through faith and faith alone but true faith and passion for a relationship with God will bring about works. Do not mix up cause and effect
Brado M I wasn’t mixing up anything. We are saved by grace but we are also told to be perfect, we are told nobody can enter the kingdom of heaven but he that does the father’s will. Paul said the law (works) doesn’t save anybody because the audience hadn’t given up the law of Moses. You want to speak of cause and effect? Newsflash, accepting Jesus Christ is a work. 🤔. We are saved by grace only because we don’t have the ability to save ourselves. Salvation from death is free but eternal life requires sacrifice and good works, then his grace is sufficient. Mathew 5:48 be ye therefore perfect. That requires work. Again, accepting Jesus is a work. People that don’t believe in Jesus will be saved from death. Your claims are wrong and not scriptural. Faith without works is dead, The devils believe and tremble. They haven’t accepted Jesus. Again, a work.
@@greasyhandsauto-shaunbutte9726 Works are evidence of our commitment to God and of His changing of our hearts. It is not a way of earning a place in Heaven, but rather evidence of a change of heart through faith in Jesus Christ.
Anthony Lambson I know we are saved by grace. There is no other way period. But to say we don’t need to do all we can, is complete blasphemy. We need to do good works. Isn’t accepting Jesus a good work? He does not want us to be idle. He wants us to produce fruits. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints does not nor, has ever taught anything other than being saved by grace. We know we can’t save ourselves. We believe in good works but frankly don’t you? Jesse really needs to read The Book of Mormon if, she is going to criticize it. It’s obvious by some of he comments, that she either hasn’t read it or, doesn’t understand what is says.
They don't believe in heaven or hell they have no contradict even though Smith did have a heaven and hell but he kept contradicting himself and the later presidents kept making up things against hell they're out of Darkness or prison or Paradise s*** contradicts that all that s*** because those are basically references to hell and only pieces of it are the places of Heaven and Hell
Even their bom fraud was is correct compared to all their Antichrist fraud because it believes that heaven and hell and they believe it on a real God just as the Bible does etc and they believe in a trinity more so than anyone can make a trinity out of the Bible it's a extreme modalist Trinity and that's what even the more they're bom fraud they still believe in a trinity but an upside down satanic broken corrupted false Trinity that's upside down.
Where? If your talking about when the Pharisees asked what happens if a women married all 7 brothers, Jesus never said anything that the marriage won't exist in heaven
@@Robert-rw5lm Yes it is that passage, and yes he does say that. "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven." Matthew 22:30. He may not specifcally use the word heaven, but "the resurrection" is another phrase used to refer to heaven.
Agreed that this is Biblical. But there isn't a magic age to this, like the LDS believe when they baptize 8 year olds who are all of a sudden held accountable for their sins.
I didn't know anything about Mormon until I moved to Utah! I spent a year studying and going to the church. They were very convincing! They were upset that I went to the church for a year, took three missionary studies, and never joined! I finally told them to leave me alone. I found out later that they put me on an x list. Know what that is? Anyways? I've commented before and love that, you have done so much work! You are beautiful on the outside but, more so, on the inside! Thank you!
I'm not defending anything but to me it makes sense that if you have faith in jesus you will follow and believe his words and teachings and commands , so to me it makes sense that works is part of your faith
Hey, you are definitely correct in saying it has a place. Just not in salvation. In fact, James says faith without works is dead. He is speaking as a man who eventually dies for the Gospel. He is saying that if you do not follow Jesus in your actions you are an ineffective Christian. James 1:24 says, if you follow the law you will be blessed. Good works are the fruit of salvation not the root of salvation. Isaiah 64:6, Ephesians 2:1-10
You don't do works for salvation, you do works for rewards. This is where so many evangelists miss the point. Yes, salvation is a free gift, but we work for rewards.
@@JJ-ck1vg I know this is a really old comment- but I wanted to reply for anybody else who might see. You are correct, works is a part of your faith in Christianity. The book of James talks about this. But the key difference here is that as a Christian we believe we are saved (given salvation) by Christ alone and it's a gift from God. Whereas Mormonism teaches that you are only saved IF you do good works. As if you can "earn your way into heaven" by doing 'good' things. Which ironically is exactly what Jesus criticised the Pharisees for. Prioritising their laws and supposedly good works over their faith. The reality is that its through grace and grace alone that we are saved. Which is only available to us when we accept Jesus into our lives.
Hi! Thanks for making this awesome video. I'm a non-denominational Christian who doesn't know too much about Mormonism. All I've done up to this point was read Unveiling Grace by Lynn Wild and called it good. However, I have a friend who is reading through the Book of Mormon and meeting up with Mormon Missionaries. While he is a smart man, I felt like this was a challenge he shouldn't be walking alone. So now I'm reading through the book of Mormon. Haha While after reading through 1 Nephi I felt even more convinced that Mormonism was false, it was not to the depth that you explained here. I would've never thought about the importance of the Tribe of Aaron! I feel like I'm appreciating parts of my belief like never before. Keep up the good work!
mormons have had 200 years in which to finesse their approach to christians. they know their game plan. they use the book of mormon in their conversion process. they use it but they do not believe it. there are no distinctive mormon beliefs in the book of mormon. the main thing about the book of mormon is that it gets people out of the bible and into a false gospel. to see how the mormon scriptures contradict themselves klik: www.utlm.org/onlineresources/contradictionsinldsscriptures.htm
Amen brother. Im witnessing to about 5 of them this Friday and ive taken about 40 pages of notes lol. I asked God for wisdom and He has put it in my heart to give them truth. And through that, ive been given so much wisdom. Thank you for this video! The tribe of Aaron is definitely something to point out. Especially since it is in the Torah so they cant assume it has been changed over and over. God bless!
Mark Twain, the Father of American Literature, was no fool. Search the internet and read his critique of the Book of Mormon. Twain quickly recognized it as fiction, referring to it as inferior literary, plagiarism from the King James Bible, and miraculous, that is, miraculous that Joe Smith did not fall asleep while writing it. Isn't it amazing that highly educated professors and scholars at BYU, a prestigious university, cannot see the scam that Mark Twain recognized quickly?
@@footsoldier1188 Amazing! I am in the same place. I'm almost 15, and me and a close brother in Christ are witnessing to close to 15 LDS members regularly. You can never be too prepared. God bless and good luck!
What does the Bible teach about a newborn child or baby? 1. They know nothing in their childhood state (Deuteronomy 1:39). 2. There is a stage when children do not know the good or the bad (Isa 7:16). 3. Of children is the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 18: 1-5). 4. But Jesus said: Let the children come to me, and do not stop them; for such is the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 19: 13-15).
DxSw funny you brought up let the children come to me. Except if their parents are LGBTQ. OH the Mormon god the false Q15 Change their minds Your church has a funny god . He's changing his mind a lot. Flip Flop the always changing Mormon god. That is not My God My God is the Almighty God
Thank you for loving the Mormon people enough to take the time to research and show the difference. My wife's parents are mormons and they are good people who are bewitched by this false gospel. Please pray for them. I believe we all came to Jesus through someone praying for us to be drawn to Him. And by someone telling us the truth. I will be praying for you as Im sure you will be attacked for telling the truth. Jesus said anyone who wants to live a godly life will be persecuted for it. I believe that the U.S. is one of the hardest places on earth to be a true christian. Very few will stand for truth especially if it cost something. May Gods grace and peace be with you
@@ObscurasCozyCult I know what you mean we have many brothers and sisters being hurt in many ways but I believe their battle line is clear. In the US and western christianity lots claim to be Christian but few live like it lots of deceived people. When the church of Christ in the west starts being persecuted I dont imagine megachurchs will still be around. The Open Doors Ministry is helping persecuted Christians right now and we need to be praying and helping if we can. Thank you for thinking of our Syrian family I hope this clears up what I meant
Its encumbent upon ALL Christians to expose the works of darkness, to call people out of religion, to lead them back to the Lord. It's not about loving the Mormon people but exposing ALL religions and calling people to turn back to Jesus.
So you believe Christ created multiple churches to conflict with eachother? Even though Christ says the spirit of contention is not of him, but of the devil? Catholicism is the root of most so called "Christian" churches. Catholics killed Christians. Romans did too. Romans killed Christ!
The Book of Mormon contradicts every central doctrine of the Bible. The Divine Nature of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit (the Trinity), being saved by grace through faith not of works, the Virgin birth of Jesus Christ, the Deity of Jesus Christ, Mormons teach that one day they can become god's in which God Himself says you can't in ISAIAH 43:10, 45:5, Mormons believe that God is a man, again the Bible doesn't teach this. Mormons teach that the angel Moroni came down from heaven and gave Joseph Smith the Book of Mormon. Let's hear what God Himself says about this in: GALATIANS 1:6-9 "I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who CALLED you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed..." There you are Mormons, God Himself telling you that He did not send any angel from heaven to Joseph Smith.
Some of these points were good others were sort of weak: 1. Little children cannot sin. 2. Adam and Eve's sin. 3. Black skin = curse. 4. Saved after all we can do. 5. Plain and precious truths lost. 6. Darkness over the earth. 7. No Levite priests. 8. Many High Priests. 9. Multiple temples. 10. Old Testament worship references missing. #1 This one was pretty weak in my opinion first because the counter Bible verse comes from Psalms which were written by King David. We don't know that his opinion is necessarily accurate. Similar to how Paul gives his opinion on some things, but makes sure to point out when he is quoting the Lord. But even setting that aside, the Moroni 8:8 is given in the context of Christ having already come and that children are made whole through Christ. The Old Testament reference isn't comparable because it comes from before Christ. #2 This one doesn't seem like a contradiction and more like the Book of Mormon filling in missing information. As you said "there is no biblical support" for this position, but that doesn't make it a contradiction. #3 The Bible contains reference to someone's skin becoming black as a result of being cursed. Job 30:30. The Bible also contains plenty accounts of favoritism especially in the Old Testament. #4 Yeah, this one is pretty weird. #5 The Bible as a whole has survived relatively intact since it was completed. I think the bigger problem lies in the compilation process of the Bible. Highly regarded books during the time of Christ, such as the Book of Enoch(which is quoted in the New Testament), did not make it into the canon of most Bibles. Meanwhile we also have the addition of such stories as the woman taken in adultery, which is not present in the original texts. This passage from the Book of Mormon text would be more accurate if it was understood to mean texts left out of the Bible during the compilation process rather than truths lost from the Bible after it was completed. Though the masoretic and Septuagint derived texts are not without their errors. #6 This one is pretty weak. We have multiple times when there are other examples of when the phrase "whole earth" is used to mean the region round about. For example Exodus 10:15. #7 - #10 These ones are the strongest points in my opinion.
@Avenged- Sevenfold Your points bring up exactly why I thought #1 was weak., because it referenced one verse from Psalms. The references you provided give a much stronger argument.
@@MichaelEllisYT I agree that the scripture shared by Avenged made the argument much stronger. There is always an enormous list of Scripture to quote for every single point in all my videos but I have to keep the videos at a length where I'm not going to lose my audience. The verse I mentioned was strong enough in that it said exactly what the Bible teaches. But yes, amazing additional Scripture shared by Avenged.
And now, my beloved brethren, and also Jew, and all ye ends of the earth, hearken unto these words and believe in Christ; and if ye believe not in these words believe in Christ. And if ye shall believe in Christ ye will believe in these words, for they are the words of Christ, and he hath given them unto me; and they teach all men that they should do good. Second Nephi 33:10
@@fayelewis5476 what religion believes Christ wasn't created and has existed with God since the beginning? An honest question, I have not heard of that before.
@@elijahwillardson7371 Christianity teaches that Christ is an uncreated being, who has always existed with God the Father from all eternity. He took on human flesh 2,000 years ago. Jesus Christ existed before Lucifer.
John 17:5 Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. Jesus was born in Bethlehem, but he existed from eternity. Micah 5:2 “But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity.” John the Baptist, who was six months older than Jesus, said Jesus existed before he did. John 1 John testified about Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’” Jesus Created Lucifer John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 Christ was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 14 And the Word (Christ) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Col. 1:16 For by Jesus all things were created in heaven and on earth, [things] visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities; all things were created and exist through Him and for Him. You've probably heard of it this way. Merry Christmas! Matthew 1:23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child and shall bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which translated means, “God with us.” Matthew 2:11 And going into the house they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh. Why were grown men worshiping a toddler? We are to only worship God.
If Christ were here there is one thing he would not be--a Christian. - Mark Twain's Notebook Christianity will doubtless still survive in the earth ten centuries hence--stuffed and in a museum. - Notebook, 1898
Exodus 19:5-6 explains her misunderstanding about how Lehi could have had the priesthood. In speaking to all of the tribes of Israel the Lord says that He would that they all be a nation of Priest, and not just the Levites. The Levites were also only given the Aaronic priesthood, which facilitated their authority to perform ordinances. but we know that some if not all of the prophets throughout the Bible were given the Melchizedek priesthood. this is a higher priesthood, but did not disallow for the performing of ordinances. Melchizedek Himself offered sacrifices in Gen 14. Alma 5:44, 13:1-18, 43:1-2, and 2 Nephi 6:2 all explain that the priesthood which Lehi had was in fact the Melchizedek priesthood, or the priesthood after the holy order of God (Heb. 7:8-25). Aaronic priests are called according to the lesser law of Moses, while the Melchizedek Priests are called according to the higher law of Christ. That was a simple enough point to debunk, the rest may take much more to explain. It's easy to cite two passages and then explain how you think they contradict each other, but much more involving to explain their full context, and doctrines. hence why so many flock to these garbage videos because they think they war getting truth from the shallow and uninspired rhetoric of uneducated people, and since it takes far more to undo the damage then to do the damage in the first place, many don't even bother debunking this crap. it is no wonder that the Lord hides His plain and precious truths in parables and stories and requires actual study and searching to find answers to important questions, because the swine and dogs do nothing but destroy and mock the pearls of His truths.
Right on! I noticed Jessie seemed happy that she found contradictions. (Seek and ye shall find) most of these can be explained by assuming the Bible contains everything we need to know on any topic it includes. Or it's a misunderstanding of perspective. You're right it would take a while to unravel the contradictions but who really wants to know?
@@solangesmusic.1877 No, actually I never found him in my ansestory family tree So I couldn't of been related. But I did get asked a lot in the church if I was related to him since I have the same last name spelled the same.
If anyone wanting to become an LDS or "questioning" would just merely read a book by Ethan Smith, 'View of the Hebrews' (no relation to the liar Joseph Smith) and see how it's written with the ideas and describes stuff JUST LIKE Joseph Smith did (AFTER Ethan's book came out first, 7 years BEFORE the Book of Mormon). Here's is a link to an online copy of Ethan's book: archive.org/details/ViewOfTheHebrews1823EthanSmith/page/n5. Also, down this page: 20truths.info/mormon/plagiarism.html a chart showing very similar talking points that go WAY BEYOND what is needed by even an unlearned man to see that the BOM is a copy of ideas from Ethan's book, not to mention the Bible.
David Stiles ..and then JS produced the entire book of Mormon in under 3 months. Without referring to notes or doing rewrites. You may want to do a little more research before giving him so much credit. Or at least come up with a more complete theory. Maybe a "conspiracy theory"? A team of writers and co-conspirators?
@@charlesoliphant8905 or dumbass or he basically had the same stuff not just from Ethan Smith's own points but also from other people the same stuff making the same lies and it wasn't three months dummy and took him several years and we know he did this if you bother to actually look at it this live 3 months has been fabricated and truth it took him several years at least 3 to 4 years to get all the stuff together and he had an Open Bible too as well as Miss quotes and corruption errors as well as run on sentences and other stuff he was using Ethan Smith's own stuff as well as spaldings work as well as the war of the of the US the last war etc.
@@charlesoliphant8905 he uses on satanic imagination to attend Smith was very good at speaking if you check the longest piece of Alma which is Alma it's so terribly written too
@@charlesoliphant8905 you morons are so ignorant because you don't like the fact that auntie moronism exposes you because it gives real Christ truth other truth and lots of truth that overexposes you 100 million times over
Only Levites that were from the lineage of Aaron were aloud to hold the priesthood this is fact. Also like Jessie said only ONE temple is was allowed, that HAD to be in Jerusalem according to the law, thats why when Daniel was in captivity, or whenever the children of Israel were in captivity they prayed towards Jerusalem, as they knew that was the place the Most High ordained as holy. That never changed throughout the BC period, and even christ said that he didn't come to change the law but to fulfil, meaning that he came not only as the lamb for mankind, but to stop the children of Israel abusing carnal sacrifices, so that without true love for the father and worship through the son no one could to enter the kingdom of heaven.
Since you know more and better about my church, The Church Of Jesus Christ, is it OK with you if I give up my faith in God and become an atheist? I came to faith through the Book of Mormon and it was Confirmed by The Holy Spirit. Will you accept responsibility for me abandoning my faith?
You don't have faith in God. You can't abandon something you don't have. You worship an exalted man. It's called idolatry. God used to be a man on another planet, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 345; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333). "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s . . . " (D&C 130:22). The true and living God the Father was never once a man. He is an uncreated being. The true and living God has always existed. He is the first, uncaused cause of everything you see. He lives outside of time, space and matter because He created time, space and matter. He is self-existent. He has no mother or father, does not need air, food, water, sex, sleep, shelter, clothing, etc.. He is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, immutable, transcendent, infinitely holy, eternal and so much more. The highest heavens cannot contain Him. The true and living God created Adam out of the dust of the ground. No wife needed. No pre existence. Why don't you worship the true and living God?
@@strongtower9237 I have faith in a personal and loving God, in whose image I was created. However I don't believe in your interpretation of scripture. Your trinitarian 3 in 1 dogma makes no sense. All LDS stand with Sir Issac Newton in rejecting the Trinity.
@@billstevens937 The moment you die it will not matter what Isaac Newton or Joseph Smith or any pastor, preacher, priest, pope, bishop, elder, etc. has said. It will only matter what God has said. My interpretation means nothing. God the Father is not a man. Job 9:32 “In truth I know that this is so; But how can a man be in the right [b]before God? “For He is not a man as I am that I may answer Him, That we may go to court together. "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." - John 4:24 "A spirit does not have flesh and bones" - Luke 24:39 I Timothy 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen. ****** Having the “image” or “likeness” of God means, in the simplest terms, that we were made to resemble God. Adam did not resemble God in the sense of God’s having flesh and blood. Scripture says that “God is spirit” (John 4:24) and therefore exists without a body. However, Adam’s body did mirror the life of God insofar as it was created in perfect health and was not subject to death. The image of God (Latin: imago dei) refers to the immaterial part of humanity. It sets human beings apart from the animal world, fits them for the dominion God intended them to have over the earth (Genesis 1:28), and enables them to commune with their Maker. It is a likeness mentally, morally, and socially.
@@strongtower9237 Look, I get it that you don't get it! Your trinty dogma cannot be found in the Old or New Testament. Also your bigotry and ignorance is quite revealing..... Thank you for sharing!
@@billstevens937 Merry Christmas! Matthew 1:23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child and shall bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which translated means, “God with us.” John 10:33 The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.” John 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” Col. 2:9 For in Jesus dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Even God called Jesus, God. Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son He says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom. Jesus is 100% God and 100% man. As a man, Jesus ate, thirsted, slept, wept, prayed to God and died. As God, Jesus rebuked Satan, forgave sin, performed miracles, accepted worship from the people, raised the dead and even raised himself from the dead. John 2:19 It is called the hypostatic union. Jesus said your sins would not be forgiven if you did not believe He was God. John 8:19 So they were saying to Him, “Where is Your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father; if you knew Me, you would know My Father also.” 24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”
Some people just don't bother to check the proper context, and would rather listen to what the antiLDS, and exLDS have to say about the subject which is ridiculous.
"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent." - Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255
@@bigtobacco1098 and yet the Antichrist more on Colt is the horror Babylon and is Babylon alone and it works screaming it so well they're antichristic loosepheric lie doing evil against dead people hell of Babylon being like a god hell of Babylon sporting a fake scraptor and nothing to do with the Americas and his alien and is of Satan Smith won't imagination or Babylon and even more so way way more so the more cult is losing members left and right cuz they woke up and saw the truth and came to the real Christ and other stuff so the more on Antichrist cold is dying because they're being exposed the 17th presidents and the other ones contradict each other in hellish standards extreme evil
Soooooooo... you do not believe that any of the other books added to the Bible after the book of Proverbs including the New Testament are really His word? Got it.
@Avenged- Sevenfold Avenged-Sevenfold, but... i don't want to get “nitpicky” about it. I sense you are expressing your own desires more than mine perhaps? ; ) My comment was a rather broad reference. A couple of questions... - Why did you say “dodge this”? - Who is Joey???
@Avenged- Sevenfold Well, I am still confused about your “dodge this” comment as I see nothing in your remarks that would require “dodging”. What I do see in your comment is some faulty assumptions stacked on top of incorrect presuppositions. For starters the prophet Joseph Smith did NOT, I repeat, did NOT make any changes or revisions to the King James Version of the Bible in the way you have claimed in your comment. Your understanding of the issues at hand has been victimized by critics who always try to spin things in the worst possible ways rather than providing genuine understanding of the issues at hand. The King James Version(KJV) of the Bible that LDS Christians use is EXACTLY the same as the KJV of the Bible that sectarian Christians use. Your comments make it sound like the KJV of the Bible that LDS Christians use is somehow different from the KJV of the Bible that creedal Christians use- when that is just not the case at all. What the Prophet Joseph Smith did do is use the KJV of the Bible as a springboard to form what is referred to as the “Joseph Smith Translation” (Referred to here on as JST). The JST is not canonized Scripture for Latter-day Saints, JST Genesis 1-6 and Mathew 24, which are both found in The Pearl of Great Price excepted. The JST is not the LDS version of the Bible. The King James Version of the Bible is- and it always has been. It is the KJV of the Bible that is part of our official canon of Scripture or what is sometimes referred to as “The Standard Works” of the Church including the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants and Pearl of Great Price. So where does the JST fit in? In 1828 the word “translation” had a much broader meaning than it does today. The Joseph Smith “Translation” should be understood as supplemental to our canon of Scripture and contains a variety of elements such as additional revelation, alternate readings, prophetic commentary or midrash, harmonization, clarification and corrections OF the original as well as corrections TO the original. It is not my understanding that non-LDS Christians believe that EVERY passage of scripture has only one specific precise correct meaning identically applied in all contexts. Such a straightjacketed approach would be absurd. The Prophet Joseph Smith often saw more than one meaning in a passage and brought many of these explicitly to our attention by means of the JST. However, the existence of a JST variant reading for a passage ought NOT to imply that the KJV is “incorrect” in the purest sense of the term, since the Book of Mormon and Doctrine & Covenants sometimes agree with the KJV rather than the JST. We simply require a more mature, sophisticated and enlightened understanding to grasp the Prophets intent with the JST than is ever provided by critics of the Church- or what we see in your pseudo-confident comment that somehow requires “dodging”. Of course we as LDS Christians believe the JST is “inspired”, but that is not the same thing as saying it always restores the original “texts” of the biblical books. There is more going on here than that. By the way, if the Prophet Joseph Smith wanted to change or rewrite Scripture he certainly could have as Biblical prophets often changed or rewrote Scripture- but that is not the Prophets core concern or issue with the JST. As LDS Christians we are not obsessed with “text” in the way our fellow evangelical brothers and sisters are. As LDS Christians we are not bound by “sola-scriptura”- nor do we adhere to an “inerrant” view of Scripture as many Evangelicals are famous for. We see these approaches as being what largely well intended men do when they are without access to living oracles of God. What matters for LDS Christians and for Joseph Smith as well as all biblical prophets is not the text itself but the pure revelation that is driving the text. This is a key difference. LDS Christians sometimes get the impression that if Evanglicals Christians believed there really was a true Prophet of God on the earth today that they would sort of hover around the Prophet waiting for him to write something down. Then when the Prophet did write something down they would take the text and run off with it to some secluded spot to hyper-analyze and study the “text” instead of just talking to the living oracle of God himself. The term “bibliodolatry” comes to mind here. On this matter Stephen E. Robinson in “How Wide the Divide: A Mormon and an Evangelical in Conversation” (A fair starter book for Evangelicals honestly seeking to understand the LDS Christian position by the way) says the following: ---- ---- ----- ----- ----- “Scripture is mediated revelation, derivative revelation. The direct revelation to a prophet or an apostle is immediate and primary, and this is the word of God in the purest sense- as “word” and “hearing” rather than as “text”. However, the recording, transmission and interpretation of the word depends on fallible human beings, using the fallible human tools of reason and language. Thus, Scripture is the word of God for Latter-day Saints, “as far as it is translated correctly.” For Latter-day Saints, the church’s guarantee of doctrinal correctness lies primarily in the living prophet, and only secondarily in the preservation of the written text. This is, after all, the New Testament model. The ancient apostles and prophets themselves were the “primary” oracles. What makes Scripture normative is not anything that may have happened to the text as text, but rather that it records what “holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost” (2 Pet 1:20-21). In other words, what makes Scripture “theopneustos” (“inspired” or “God breathed”) is not its “written” character but its “revealed” character. Writing it down preserves the inspired revelation and makes it accessible to the wider church, but that is secondary to the original revelation itself. The “record” of revelation cannot logically be more authoritative that the “experience” of revelation. There would have been no Scripture in the first place had not God revealed his word, person-to-person, to a living, breathing human being. And it is the continued presence of the one who received the revelation in the first place, or his inspired successors (prophets in the Old Testament, apostles in the New), that ensures the written word will be interpreted and applied correctly to new contexts. THIS IS THE BIBLICAL PATTERN.” ---- ---- ----- ----- ----- To sum up... when the issues are better understood than how you have presented them your question is difficult to take seriously as holding any real weight. The Restored Gospel is beautiful and true… and i am grateful for living Apostles on the earth today and for the Prophet Joseph Smith and his contribution to this great work in these the latter-days.
@Avenged- Sevenfold Umm... No. You are clearly not grasping the role of the JST. You are framing the issue in a way that is outside of the LDS paradigm. Your confident bravado is loud.... but your understanding of the issue at hand is... low.
@Avenged- Sevenfold Atheists have sources to their claims to prove the Bible is false. This does not mean they have genuine understanding any more than you do just because you have "sources". I have represented the LDS view of the JST as it fits within the LDS paradigm. You don't have to agree with that paradigm nor do you have to like it. But, you accusing me of lying is just what some people do when they really do not have anything more substantive to bring to the table.
Hi sweetie! You are what keeps me going because of the position I’m in and I just want to say thank you and what you are doing is wonderful because people need to know this people need to know about the Mormon church and how false it is. I appreciate all the videos you have done on this topic because it shows me truth it helps me through each day even if I have to go back and watch one of your videos over again💕
That first one... the first time I disciplined my daughter was when she was 6 months old, because she clearly understood that I was saying "no," and chose to do it anyway.
Great video, I agree totally except for point no.4. You are wrong on faith alone. James 2:24 Do you see that a man is justified by means of works, and not by faith alone. Galatians 6:9 And so, let us not be deficient in doing good. For in due time, we shall reap without fail. ("Doing" good, that's more than faith , that's works) Matthew 12:37 For by your words shall you be justified, and by your words shall you be condemned." ("Words" is talking, thats something you do, that is works) Matthew 12:36 But I say to you, that for every idle word which men will have spoken, they shall render an account in the day of judgment. (Again, "Word spoken" is something you do, works not faith)
we both agree faith without works is dead. what are those works? if you read the entire book of james, you will see chapter 2. 25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? rachel was a prostitute. james uses the word EVEN a prostitute to emphasize her depraved sin filled life. yet she is called righteous. the book of james was written to people who are thoroughly convicted of their sin nature and need for the grace of god to save them from hell. you can't take one verse out of the bible out of context, that's what you do when you quote "faith without works is dead" out of context. you know that, so why do you mormons do it so often? you render the whole book unintelligible when you take one verse out of context to support your cult fantasy. the real belief of mormonism is the 2nd article of faith. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression. you don't believe that all your works are tainted by sin and your sin nature. you don't even believe you have a sin nature. you believe you will become a god by constantly choosing the right. you don't believe in a sin nature, and you have no need for jesus to save you by grace. james was a brother of jesus and he accepted jesus and was fully relliant upon the mercy of jesus. you mormons have written the grace of god out of the bible entirely, that's why you quote scripture out of context. it's because you don't believe it.
We aren’t justified by works of the law, but by the the Holy Spirit doing work in our lives. Mormons have this part right, although I disagree with their extra biblical book. Too many Evangelicals skip over this bc they don’t actually have the Holy Spirit and want to stay in step with their sins instead. 2 Thes 2 13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. False converts, is what I call people whose lives are not changed by their “faith”.
Yes, James 2:24 is very disconcerting. There are 112 verses in the christian Bible that teach faith alone. But, here we have one verse that seems to contradict the other 112. So, what do we do here? Do we throw away the 112 verses, or do we seriously and meticulously study the reason for this seemingly glaring contradiction? Or, do we build an entire religion (such as mormonism and jehova witnesses) around this one verse. In the Book of James, notice that James refers to those he is speaking to as "brethen". Brethen is Greek for "christian brothers". On 5 occasions, James refers to the people he is addressing as "brethren". These people James is addressing are already christian brothers, people who have already believed in the death, burial, and ressurection of Christ, by which they are already saved. (1 Cor 15: 1-4). Now, that they are saved, they are expected to be effective christians and do good works.
I just don't understand how "faith alone" works. If that's how it was meant to be, then why do we have the commandments? Are they not telling us things we should and shouldn't do?
As a Deist I would point out that while the claim that someone has had or had some sort of special "Divine Revelation" may or may not be true, it certainly would not be a "Divine Revelation" for anybody else. Rather, it would really just be hearsay.
First of all Smith never had any of that he just claims things he knows is not true and he's making up and he's basically wildly insane and able to deceive lots of people and make wild statements that are completely out of nowhere that twists Christianity and anything else and that's how it got off the ground but the thing is no one back then ever noticed but people are catching on to it now and that's why the moron Colt is losing millions of numbers and their texts are breaking and falling they have no statements about the word save or anything save means you're safe not by doing works if you do works then you can't be saved because you take care of yourself the more on Colt is so conflictedly false and has no concept of works or saved or commandments or rules but satanic fraud and Smith makes up and it was Antichrist hellish luciferically demonic ass.
On the first point, you have taken the Moroni 8.8 verse out of context. It concerns the question of whether little children need to be baptized. It is not saying that little children have not inherited the disadvantages of mortality and fallen nature from Adam's Transgression. It is saying that they are not capable of committing sin in the sense of conscious deliberate transgression of a commandment of God. They have not reached the age at which God holds them responsible. They are whole in the sense that Christ has taken the condemnation from them. It may be what Paul was alluding to in Romans 7. 9 "I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died". When was Paul "alive once"? Surely it was before he reached the age of accountability and awareness of the commandment. As for Adam's fall that men might be, Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith wrote that, when Eve transgressed, Adam was faced with a dilemma. He and Eve were in such dissimilar states that they could not have children together. He then chose to join her for the sake of having children. LDS do view the Fall as having been anticipated by God (as do most Christians). They think it was because God's wisdom decided that a greater good could come from men being afflicted by evil and the disadvantages of mortal life and overcoming these things by learning to trust and obey God. As for by grace we are saved after all we can do, the context shows that all we can do is "believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God" (2 Nephi 25.23). God makes everyone capable of believing in Christ.
Literally throw your book of mormon out if you love jesus. Jesus is God. Are you interested in reading some verses that say that? The mormon religion doesn't believe that.
@@kellygreen3943 I can reassure you that I do trust in the Lord Jesus Christ as the only Savior. I am not LDS, but I have LDS friends, and I am concerned that Christians should be accurate in discussing LDS beliefs and the teaching of the Book of Mormon. There is a big difference between the BoM and later LDS doctrines as developed latterly by Joseph and Brigham Young. The BoM teachings on Jesus and salvation are very close to the Bible, whereas the Book of Abraham etc. constitute a radical change away from the original teaching of Father, Son and Holy Ghost as the one everlasting God. Many LDS people do have faith in Jesus Christ and His blood atonement, and resurrection, and in the Holy Spirit helping them to live a holy life, and other aspects of Christian truth. Not all are really knowledgeable of the very unbiblical later views of Smith and Young etc. They get by with a faith that is very close to the Bibllical one, although of course when they come to depend on secret temple rituals they are being led away from it, rather like the Galatian and Colossian Christians whom St Paul had to warn. I only appeal for Christians to deal factually, not misrepresent what the BoM teaches, and understand that many LDS have been brought up in that church to have a love for and trust in Jesus Christ. We must find a way to affirm the truths they hold about Jesus, while pointing out the very serious errors which were introduced after the BoM, when the uniqueness of Father Son and Holy Ghost as the only true and everlasting God was denied. I think witnessing to LDS people must be a very patient and loving work. I observe that some Christians attack LDS for holding doctrines which some true Christians hold, for example, Calvinists condemn them for rejecting their double predestination doctrine and antinomianism. Much of early LDS doctrine on faith and holiness is akin to Wesleyanism, which is why it attracted a lot of early converts.
the book of mormon was written to contain many plain and precious things. how is it that someone needs to explain it, when god sent it to us in plain and simple language? please do tell us all how you have been raised to the sublime degree of understanding all things book of mormon. and how do you know we don't have a burning in the bosom about it? i think my burning in the bosom trumps yours, a complete stranger, and not a prophet.
God told them, "Do not eat of the tree of good and evil." Pretty simple. Then Satan, in the form of a serpent, tempted Eve and she gave in. Adam then gave in too. They knew they were doing wrong. They knew they were disobeying. And yet they chose to. Kind of like every other human on earth daily, isn't it? We make choices and are all sinners who fall short of the glory of God. Praise Him for Jesus' work on the cross so we can be free from that bondage of sin and are forgiven!
@@itsmejessie It's the tree of knowledge of good and evil. I interpret it to mean they didn't know in their hearts right from wrong until eating the fruit. Disobedient perhaps, but I think God mostly just gave them a reason to not eat it, and left it up to them to accept the consequences (in the day they eat they shall die). Perhaps they didn't even equate disobedience as wrong? I consider their actions a transgression, but not a sin. That's why I don't think young children can sin; their brains are not developed enough to have a clear understanding of things. Those are my thoughts. I hope I'm not being too confusing :)
@@dlariby Uh, a "sin" is anything God doesn't want you to do. If He says, "Don't eat of this tree, but you can all the others" it is THEN a "SIN" to eat of the tree He said not to. He didn't need to say, "Thou shall not eat", it's still His law.
@@witharebelyell2762 I still think you must know right from wrong in order to sin (knowledge of good and evil). Besides, where would any of us be if they hadn't eaten the fruit? Would God make it mandatory for his children to sin in order to fulfill His plan of us coming to earth? It doesn't make sense to me.
dlariby transgression literally means sin. Disobeying God is a sin. God made us with free will and he gave Adam and Eve a choice to obey him or disobey him. You can’t take what the Bible says literally. The tree being called that doesn’t literally mean that Adam and Eve has no knowledge of good and evil.
Thank so much for another great video. It's amazing how many contradictions and still members can't see or refuse to. The main way they keep their members in blindness is by saying the Bible wasn't translated correctly. They really don't want members reading the Bible, and they must not because literally almost everything it says contradicts,. The whole gospel essentially is different. It's like they want you to believe that Jesus came back and said never mind, everything I told you before I left, I changed my mind, this is the way it is, here's all these rules I forgot to tell you about. There's so many things that are just so obviously false it's unbelievable how many fall for it. So, I need help. I was raised Mormon and I left the church for a long time. I decided to come back, but I wanted to know Jesus more before I did. I had never read the Bible as an adult and after I did and started becoming close to the Lord, I started reading the BOM again. While I was reading it, so many red flags, I kept thinking, this doesn't sound like the Jesus I came to know through the Bible. I kept pushing back my feelings but one day while reading the D & C I heard an almost audible voice saying "THIS IS NOT ME, THESE ARE NOT MY WORDS!" It almost frightened me, but I was so wrapped into thinking I was going to go back to the Mormon church I tried to tell myself it was just Lucifer himself trying to stop me. As I kept reading, the voice became stronger and stronger, I knew with all certainty it was Christ himself speaking to me. I saw the contradictions. Holy Spirit guided me and brought to my remembrance the words of Jesus in the Bible and showed me how none of it fit. The Lord doesn't change his mind, God is not a man that he should lie. I was letting my girls go to Mormon church while I was on my journey to find the truth, but then I realized something.. They were learning about a false Christ. This is the greatest problem with the LDS church. They are literally robbing people of their salvation. They made up this Jesus. It's like you read a biography of someone with the same name, then you meet the other person and say oh I read all about you I know you so well! What happens? That person says depart from me I never knew you and you don't know me. They don't teach the prayer of salvation. Their whole works based system is robbing people of their salvation. It's truly sad. All these people thinking they're serving the Lord, so much wasted time. I watch my dad spend hours day by day reading the BOM, rarely will pick up the Bible. He's so brainwashed with the BOM that he wouldn't even be able to see all the contradictions, and if he did, he'd chalk it up to JS lie about it not being translated correctly. My dad is truly not saved. When I prayed the prayer of salvation and I received the Holy Spirit, my life changed dramatically. I can not even tell a white lie without feeling so convicted. My dad lies, my dad has so much pride and so many things that make me realize he's not saved, he does not have the Holy Spirit. Yes, we all sin, but after being a member of a church supposedly of Jesus Christ himself for almost 60 years, you would think he'd at least not be telling lies and acting the way he does. I know this is long, thank you for reading if you've gotten this far 😂 It is a very hard thing I'm going through because we live with my dad. Since i have told him I'm not going to be going back to church and that I don't want my girls going either, he's made our lives a living hell. He thinks I am literally posessed by a demon. He is lying to my daughters about me. I'm in a hard position because I'm not able to survive on my own without him due to health problems. I have given myself 100% to the Lord and it is very hard to not be bitter towards my dad. It affects my relationship with the Lord. I do have compassion on my dad and look at it that way. I know his pride and ego will prevent him from hearing what I have to say, I have to try though. I am going to write him a letter and explain everything and try to show him why I believe he's been misled but I know he won't receive it. I am also cleansing my home of all demonic things and want my home to be a house of the Lord but there's all these things in his room, Joseph Smith statues, Mormon paintings etc. Are these abominations to the Lord? I know I can't throw out his property but I take everything so seriously in serving him. I believe items can let the demonic in. There's so many questions I have. Do we leave this home? I have been there for my dad all my life, I love him dearly. My mom passed 30 years ago and I've spent all that time caring for him. He loves my girls and I don't know what to do. He is lying to them about me, lying to others about me, saying outrageous things like I'm stealing his money, I'm taking off and leaving my girls and just outrageous things. I don't know if this is dementia kicking in, or just Satan himself but it's horrible. I have lived my life to please him. I am a devoted mother who loves her girls more than anything, well next to the Lord of course. He has changed so much after receiving the jab too. I know some truths about that the Lord has revealed to me so not surprising. Any advice from my brothers and sisters in Christ would be greatly appreciated and valued. Thank you for your wonderful work Jessie. You have helped me so much. It's such a hard journey to break away. Anyone who is coming to the truth and the Mormon church, I advise you to do something that helped me, pray to the Father for forgiveness in being deceived and ask him to help you wipe out the memories if the false Christ you were taught so that you can fill your mind and heart with the true Biblical Jesus. He is the way the truth and the life! God bless you all!
being a christian is not always easy. the decisions you are placed with are not always so cut and dry. i think of abraham, who was raised in ur of the chaldees. he hated every minute of it. he hated good gods and bad gods and crockadile gods and turtle gods and river gods. but he could not leave because god had put the 10 commandments in his heart. he knew about the first commandment, but he also knew about honor thy father and thy mother. and he knew he owed his father deep love and respect. and that meant caring for him in his old age. so abraham stayed in the land of pagans and idol worshippers, and took care of his father until his father died. and then god made a way for him to leave the land of idol worshippers, and he went on to become the father of all the hebrews, the first father of moses and aaron and to all those who have the 10 commandments written in their heart. and in the end, there's nothing written that tells you not to speak up for what you know is right. there's also something written to remind you that you should honor your father. exactly what choices you make and what you do is a matter between you and god.
Can you point to where they say not to read The Bible? The course of study for the Church next is the Old Testament. The year after that it will be the New Testament.
@@CMZIEBARTH the foundation of mormonism is that all the creeds of christianity are an abomination. when you study the old testament with the mormons they will always find ways to bring up their first founding doctrine that all the creeds of christianity are an abomination. when you get to the part where adam and eve bring sin into the world they will tell you that adam fell, but he fell upwards. they will add words and tell you that when adam heard the lie, "you will become gods" the serpent was not lying but he was telling the truth. and then the foundation of mormonism will be established, and you will always be looking for how the old testament was changed and lies put for truth. unless you can see there is only one god and you will not become a god, you will not be understanding the bible. when they asked jesus what the most important commandment is. he said , mark 12.29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: he was quoting the sh'ma. wiki sh'ma to find the most important commandment in all of judaism and christianity.
1) Psalms 51:5: “I was born guilty, a sinner when my mother conceived me” (NRSV) A sinner before I was even created? Not likely. Let’s check KJV: “I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.” That’s better- it seems it’s speaking of his mother. Children not being guilty of sin doesn’t mean they don’t sin, it simply means they are not guilty at the judgement, made possible by the atonement. This is a very satisfying clarification for me. 2) Nowhere did you quote anything from the Bible that refutes this about Adam and Eve. It was “necessary” is different from it being a sin. 3) No, it doesn’t say whites are superior to blacks. The curse is the separation from God’s people because of their iniquity. The mark on the skin is to reinforce this separation. Read it more carefully. All men being of one blood is not a contradiction either. “He denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female…all are alike unto God.” (2Nephi 26:33) 4) There are actually more scriptures that seemingly tell us works are necessary for salvation as there are that seem to say the opposite. For example James 2: 14-14,17-- "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? Can faith save him? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." Let's be honest, ALL faiths have something you must DO to QUALIFY for salvation, even if it is simply believing, otherwise all would be saved. The extent of this qualification is what separates them. For Mormons we qualify by faith, repentance and baptism. We do not and cannot earn it as you imply. We also must endure to the end. (Mark 13:13) Jesus did not preach easy-believism. Our complete discipleship is required. 5) Origen (c. AD 185-255) was one of the earliest and most respected Christian writers. The Bible had not yet been compiled-they only had circulated manuscripts. Origen noted, “The differences among the manuscripts have become great, either through negligence of some copyists or through the perverse audacity of theirs; they either neglect to check over what they have transcribed, or in the process of checking, they make additions or deletions as they please”. This phenomenon was also noted by Justin Martyr, another early Christian writer. He observed that certain important prophecies of Christ had been removed from the Jewish scriptures. The Bible itself can testify to this fact as there are 13 books of scripture mentioned in the Bible that are not in the Bible, not to mention that there are literally thousands of verifiable errors. (see Misquoting Jesus by Bart Ehrman) Although it may be true that there were in fact deletions, I believe the main things taken from the Bible were doctrinally deleted. Primary doctrines such as salvation for the dead, the nature of God, a premortal life, how man is saved, all found in the Bible, but have been ignored, voted out, or twisted until it is as if they were not there at all. All of which was primary doctrine with the early Christians. 6) When the Book of Mormon says “the whole Earth” it does not actually mean the entire planet, but rather every place within the local people’s experience. Note that in the gospel of Luke is says that Caesar taxed "all the world" (Luke 2:1). But he clearly could not have taxed anyone outside the Roman Empire, which, large as it was, was not "all the world." It certainly did not include India or China, or much of anywhere else east of Judea, nor most Arabia to the south and the vast majority of the African continent--let alone the Americas, obviously, which they did not even know. Likewise, when Jesus commanded the apostles to preach the gospel throughout "all the world" (Mark 16:15) there no evidence they went beyond the Roman Empire either. The phrases "all the world" and "the whole earth" in the scriptures and other ancient sources generally lack the global perspective we have today, and are in fact hyperbolic, referring to a more limited region The three days of darkness is consistent with a period of intense volcanism. The Book of Mormon 3 Nephi 8:5-25 provides a detailed description consistent with a massive volcanic and seismic eruption. Such details are precise for both ancient and modern accounts, though they would have been unknown to Joseph Smith. 7) The authority by which sacrifices were offered was the Melchizedek and not the Levitical priesthood.[1] That there are two priesthoods is clear in Hebrews 5:1-10 and Hebrews 7:5-28. Both the Levitical or Aaronic priesthood and the higher Melchizedek priesthood were exercised in Old Testament times and the higher priesthood was used to offer sacrifice (Heb. 7:27). Five Old Testament prophets who were apparently not Levites are mentioned in connection with the offering of sacrifices: 1. Joshua (Ephraimite) - Josh. 8:30-31; 24:30 2. Samuel (Ephraimite) - 1 Sam. 1:1-2, 20; 2:18; 7:9-19; 11:14-15 3. Elijah (Gad or Manassah) - 1 Kings 18:31-38; 17:1 4. David (Judah) - 1 Chron. 16:2; Matt. 1:2-6 5. Solomon (Judah) - 1 Kings 3:2-3; Matt. 1:2-6 The Cambridge Bible Dictionary affirms the fact that although Samuel was "not a priest he performed priestly functions and constantly offered sacrifice at various places" 8) I do not see in any of your references that state there were multiple High Priests at the same time, only over time. Having a living prophet, that would not have been a problem to alter that anyway-same with the exception you mention. 9) All your references to multiple temples are only referring to the temples of the apostates or other religions. In any case, this demonstrates nothing but a lack of knowledge of your source concerning the actual practices of ancient Jews. The fact is that ancient Jews did build temples outside of Jerusalem, and they built a lot of them. The Nephites were exiles from ancient Israelite culture, and would have continued the practices of temple building and worship that they were familiar with. 10) So if you check where these references are in the Bible you may change your tune. For example, I could not find the words “mercy seat” anywhere in the New Testament. You will not find the name of Jesus in the Old Testament. I suppose it depends on the time and the emphasis.
Hi Dan, I really appreciate your religion and I find lds church members very delightful and kind. We may have some differences but if you want to learn more about my point of view, then I recommend watching "Mormon Jesus vs Bible Jesus - Jeff Durbin". I would also like to hear your thoughts after watching this.
@@caravue7033 HI Cara Vue, I sincerely hope you are asking as a seeker. It would be very unusual if you were, but I will assume you are. I have seen most if not all of Jeff Durbin’s videos and have commented on many. He is a severe anti-Mormon and very often misrepresents, if not flat out lies about what we believe. For example, we do not teach Jesus was polygamous. He tries to impress you with occasional Greek words. He polarizes us by using typical anti-Mormon terminology, like “Mormon Jesus” and “Bible Jesus”, and “God over our own planet”. I can tell you that LDS beliefs are Biblical-much more than that of Jeff Durbin. If you insist on listening to someone not of our faith tell you what we believe, I would recommend another Pastor named Jeff on a TH-cam series called “HelloSaints”. He is not perfect in his explanation, but is much more respectful than Durbin, and I have not caught him in a lie. Typically, to reply to an accusation takes much more time and space than the accusation itself. Therefore, as much as I would like to give an honest reply to this entire video, it would take up much more space than I think TH-cam would allow. In that light, I will paste some links you can check out. First on the idea of creation, and multiple Gods: www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Mormonism_and_the_nature_of_God/Polytheism By the way, this FAIR website is very good, and you can type in pretty much any question you want answered. Or, if you prefer to listen and can handle some humor with it: th-cam.com/video/7u0F8ztDDDQ/w-d-xo.html On Jesus and Satan being brothers: th-cam.com/video/F0LFZv-QwIo/w-d-xo.html Grace and works (I explained this somewhat above, but here is a video): th-cam.com/video/pM42bIlz_Ok/w-d-xo.html How God is one: www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/conference/august-2000/breaking-down-barriers-with-wrecking-balls-of-fallacy Apologia church in general: www.latterdaysaintwatchtower.com/refuted.html For me, the restored gospel of Jesus Christ is simple and beautiful, but it can be as complex as you are willing to dig, yet it only gets more amazing. Instead of insisting that God created such an evil being as Lucifer, making God evil himself, it actually can solve The Problem of Evil, not make it worse. Instead of enveloping all the extra-Biblical councils and their resulting Creeds through the ages (such as the Trinity) and force all these things into the Bible, the restored gospel is Biblical, it is historical (being very similar in beliefs to very early Christianity), and it is spiritual. Best of all, you CAN receive confirmation directly from God of the truth and bypass all the confusion. I have had this experience and can honestly use the words, I know.
I want everyone to pay careful attention to what Jessie uses as her measurement for "Truth" in all of her videos, The Bible. Pointing out contradictions comparing the book of Mormon to the Bible is easy for many individuals to accept. Pointing out the contradictions in this flawed measuring stick we call the Bible is more difficult for the believing Christian to accept. Take any of the Gospels and compare each story in detail and I guarantee you will see discrepancies. For example, During Jesus temptations, What was the second temptation? To jump off the Temple or bow down and worship Satan? Matthew said the first, Luke said the second. Did Jesus ride one animal into Jerusalem as stated by Mark or did he ride two animals as stated by Matthew? Did Jesus have a long conversation with Pilate as stated by John or was he silent except for uttering two words as in Mark? Could someone please help me understand how anyone can try and point out a flaw in a religious group, when their own religion is so terribly flawed in itself?
Chris Shearer it’s an appeal to authority argument... that being the Bible which, to many Christians, is the perfect and complete written document of god’s word. Really good point, I was thinking a similar thing while listening to this. There’s good evidence to support that the Bible itself is fallible and that the accounts therein deserve to be held to the same type of cross examination.
Chris Shearer So the gospels were eye witness accounts of Jesus’s life, death, and resurrection. If 4 different people witnessed the same crime, they would all have minor differences in their testimonies but the meaning or overall gist of the story is the same. That is to be expected. If all 4 gospels were exactly the same, that would actually be suspicious. In a court of law, it is expected that different eye witnesses have minor details that aren’t the same from each other, but as long as the gist or the main idea is the same, then they can be overlooked. No two people will tell a story exactly the same way, and if they did, it could be suspicious because that could mean that they were conspiring with each other to tell a lie. I would definitely recommend researching explanations for this (mine might not be the best) instead of writing the whole thing off
@@haileykeller8357 That's why people shouldn't feel they need to claim that The Bible has no contradictions. A book need not be completely free of contradictions to have great value. But if contradictions within The Bible are legit, then contradictions between The Bible and the BOM are also legit.
@@otisdylan9532 well the Bible has zero contradictions. A contradiction is when one part says something and another part states the opposite case with little or no evidence. In a police report, there will be slight differences between eye witness testimonies of a crime, but that doesn’t mean they contradict themselves. People have different perspectives or focused on different details, but the police would still accept the testimonies because it would actually be suspicious if they were all exactly the same. The Bible has zero contradictions because it is God’s inspired word and God is very consistent, righteous to preserve His Word, never changes and therefore never changes what he says, and always keeps his word. God can’t make mistakes. There are SO MANY legit contradictions between the Bible and the Book of Mormon!
Your objections actually reaffirm the validity of the New testament letters. It shows that the New Testament was written by different authors and the details may not be the same, but the overwhelming teachings of Jesus and His identity is taught by all..no contradictions there. This actually is evidence that the writings of the New Testament are genuine and not contrived by a planned deception or story telling by one or just a few individuals. We would expect to have some minor discrepancies between the writers as they are telling what they have witnessed and heard or saw. But the overall message of the letters is unanimously the same throughout. This is what separates Christians from pseudo-christian cults. They always add or take away certain teachings or practices that fundamentally contradict historic Christianity that hold certain truths to be unchangeable.
8:06 my only problem with us christians is when trying to prove the bible is true, we ignore the fact that theres multiple translations. All the bibles can't be true. So there's at least one bible that takes out things as mentioned by the mormons.
Study textual criticism. Also, the dead sea scrolls proved the accuracy and timeline of the Bible. Trust me, its accurate and there are people devoted to textual criticism, who all they do is go over old scripts and find the accurate ones. Check out focal point ministries Bibliology - a 12-part Bible study on the Bible. This will give you a more solid foundation about the history and accuracy of the Bible
Is the benefit to make different mainstream Christian churches more popular? Or the convenience it provides to people that they might not have to pay tithing or to observe the word of wisdom? What's the gladness about? Maybe it's supposed to be a sin if someone believes in a modern prophet like Russell Nelson and you're protecting questioning Latter-Day Saints from that type of sin? What's the big deal anyway? What are the consequences and curses from being a Latter-Day Saint?
@Avenged- Sevenfold Josephine consent? I didn't watch the whole video, but I don't know what that means. Basically, I just don't trust Born Again Christians (It's Me Jessie) to have the full gospel of Jesus Christ because they only represent one of hundreds of types of denominations all divided with different versions of baptism and probably different doctrines. All they share in common is a bible. Maybe they all interpret the bible more consistently with each other than Latter-Day Saints, but it's not convincing because they're all still divided and furthermore, and most importantly, It's Me Jessie never talks about the still small voice or inspiration she might/may receive from Holy Ghost (the Comforter) or personal revelation. She doesn't care about it.
@Avenged- Sevenfold Isn't that like asking why do you need Noah's consent to get into heaven or be safe by entering the ark before the flood? Why did Moses's people need Moses to escape slavery and cross the Red Sea? Is it because prophets like Moses and Noah came before Jesus Christ? But Joseph Smith can't be a modern "Noah" or "Moses" because he came along 1800 years after Christ? Is this an issue of chronologically who came before or after Jesus Christ? The Holy Ghost is meant to be personal proof. I can't transfer my own experiences of being influenced by the Holy Ghost onto you, but it's possible that by me saying something to you, that you could feel the influence of the Holy Ghost from something I said. Also, Latter-Day Saints believe that except for Jesus Christ, Joseph Smith made the second greatest contribution to the salvation of souls after Jesus Christ. That doesn't mean it had to have been Joseph Smith, it just happened to be him. And he just followed instructions from Jesus Christ, so you could say it was only Jesus Christ and not Joseph Smith if you wanted. This is what's implied by temple building and temple work besides missionaries and missionary work. As far as tangible proof, I would watch Hidden in Heartland. There are 7 episodes and I've seen them on Prime video. Wayne May and Rod Meldrum know what they're talking about.
Exodus 21:20-21 “And if a man beats his male or female servant with a rod, so that he dies under his hand, he shall surely be punished. Notwithstanding, if he remains alive a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his property.
Love thy neighbor, help the poorest among us, etc. doesn't apply today either by Christians who take breast feeding babies from their mothers and keep children in cages.
Jessie - You have taken a different translation other than the king James Version on Ps51:5 Behold I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me! (KJV). David was simply saying that he was born into an environment where evil is all around him and the sin nature grew in his heart until later in his adult life he committed adultry/murder. **First of all Apostle Paul teaches where there is no law there is no condemnation and little kids are not accountable to God until their age of accountibilty around age 8 because they have not learned His laws/commandments to disobey. Since all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, given time, all of us sin against God. It is true our children misbehave parents, but we are not their eternal Judge as being sinful to God! **Jehovah explained to Adam: “Inasmuch as thy children are conceived in sin, even so when they begin to grow up, sin conceiveth in their hearts, and they taste the bitter, that they may know to prize the good.” (Moses 6:55.) No, we do not believe, with Calvin, in the moral depravity of men and women. No, we do not believe, with Luther, that man does not even have the power to choose good over evil. And we do not believe that children inherit the so-called sin of Adam through either sexual union or by birth. Rather, children are born into a world of sin; conception is simply the vehicle by which the effects of the Fall (not original guilt) are transmitted to Adam’s posterity. Lehi taught Jacob that in the beginning God “gave commandment that all men must repent; for he showed unto all men that they were lost, because of the transgression of their parents.” (2 Ne. 2:21.) Fortunately, the Savior’s redemption was foreordained to atone for these estrangements, first of all Adam’s. As the Lord consoled Adam: “I have forgiven thee thy transgression in the Garden of Eden.” (Moses 6:53.) This declaration must, however, be understood in context. Because “the Son of God hath atoned for original guilt, wherein the sins of the parents cannot be answered upon the heads of the children” (Moses 6:54), we must not conclude that we are unaffected by the Fall. **Are children conceived in sin? Since there is no such thing as original sin, as that expression is used in modern Christendom, it follows that children are not conceived in sin. They do not come into the world with any taint of impurity whatever. When our scriptures say that “children are conceived in sin,” they are using words in an entirely different way than when the same language is recited in the creeds of the world. The scriptural meaning is that they are born into a world of sin so that “when they begin to grow up, sin conceiveth in their hearts, and they taste the bitter, that they may know to prize the good.” (Moses 6:55.) **What about infant baptism? Few false doctrines have ever deserved and received such a vigorous and forceful denunciation as that heaped upon infant baptism by the prophet Mormon. When that inspired author inquired of the Lord concerning the baptism of little children, he was told: “Listen to the words of Christ, your Redeemer, your Lord and your God. Behold, I came into the world not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance; the whole need no physician, but they that are sick; wherefore, little children are whole, for they are not capable of committing sin; wherefore the curse of Adam is taken from them in me, that it hath no power over them.” Thereupon Mormon, speaking by the power of the Holy Ghost, taught that “it is solemn mockery” to baptize little children; that they “are alive in Christ from the foundation of the world”; that it is awful wickedness to deny the pure mercies of Christ to them; that such a belief sets at naught the power of Christ’s redemption; that those who believe such a false concept are “in the bonds of iniquity” and if cut off while in the thought shall be thrust down to hell; and that those who humble themselves and repent and are baptized shall “be saved with their little children.” (Moro. 8:8-25.) **“This being ‘conceived in sin’ [Moses 6:55], as I understand it, is only that they are in the midst of sin. They come into the world where sin is prevalent, and it will enter into their hearts, but it will lead them ‘to taste the bitter, that they may know to prize the good.’” (George Q. Morris, in Conference Report, Apr. 1958, 38).
I guess only the KJV version is true and the JST isn’t? 😁 do you believe the bom is historically accurate and the boa is a correct translation of common Egyptian funerary papyrus?
@@shawnbradford2243 KJV is"ground zero" and other translations are helpful sometimes. Somtimes the interpolations of man affect the skewed translation. I read JST. What is boa?
The bible is a great parenting guide Deuteronomy 21:18-21 expands on the law: If any man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them, then his father and mother shall seize him, and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gateway of his home town. And they shall say to the elders of his city, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear of it and fear.
When God set the standard for holiness in the garden of Eden he said, "The soul that sins shall die." That is, ALL sin. Yet, when he delivers the Law of Moses he only lists some sins as capital crimes. This shows his mercy.
There's no archeological evidence this type of punishment was ever carried out, so it couldve been a great deterent to teenage drunks and rebels. On a side note this OT law was spaeking to the jewish people exclusively, it wasn't speaking to us......it doesnt apply to today...
@@sevensickszero6112 You contradict yourself while grasping for any excuse to rationalize the immorality of the bible. You say that the law only applied to the Jews. I don’t see how that makes it any less cruel (unless you hate Jews). Then you say it was only made to scare teenagers into not misbehaving. Which is it? So can we interpret all of God’s cruel acts and rules as only meant to dissuade bad behavior? Is hell, where people suffer eternal torture for slight indiscretions, only an empty threat? What about when God orders the Jews to slaughter men, women, children, and even all animals so the Jews can takeover their land. I guess even the children and animals were diabolical sinners. What a compassionate Father.! Exodus 31 whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Numbers 15 A man is stoned to death for picking up sticks on the sabbath Leviticus 20:27 “Men and women among you who act as mediums or who consult the spirits of the dead must be put to death by stoning. Genesis God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and "all flesh wherein there is breath of life." He plans to drown them all. Why does God constantly torture animals? Did one of them bite an apple? Is this your idea of a kind, caring God? It’s not mine.
For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Genesis reads be fruitful and multiply before they sinned Mormonism sounds racist. My great grandma survived a concentration camp for her Jewish faith. God send his son for all man kind first for Jew than the Gentile or Greek. For its by grace you have been saved through faith not by works that anyone should boast. There won’t be extended darkness on the earth until the end of the age when sky grows dark and moon is as red as blood Revelations 6:12. The author of Hebrews writes that Jesus is our great high priest. There was one high priest that presented sacrifices for the people. David was told instruction on how to build the temple. Wow mentions of the feast was mind blowing. Revelations reads and warns not to add or take away from holy scriptures!
My husband and I witnessed to two young Mormons this last week who send our doorbell. After inviting them to dinner and loving discussion of TRUTH, we hopefully planted some seeds and plan to do further follow-up with them. I feel for these young men; they are so confused, though I can appreciate their whole worldview and entire life is wrapped up in this false doctrine 😢🙏🙏🙏. This video is a God Send! And BEYOND timely!! (No coincidence, right!) Thank YOU!!! ❤️🙏 God bless!
they are not confused they are in the right track. they can not be more confused than you are listening to distorting scriptures from Jessie. She does not understand it. and that's what she's teaching to everyone. Will you find many contradictions in the bible ? YES!!! so if there are contradictions in the Bible don´t think you have the truth,so do not judge those young mormon kids.
@@chn9285 They are not just confused they severely deceived. You obviously have not studied the BIBLE enough to comment on its contents. If you think what you believe is true you have committed intellectual suicide. It's time for you to genuinely ask the JESUS of the BIBLE if your on the right track!
What we need to know and believe: WHY WE NEED A SAVIOR: Rom. 3:10-28 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understands, there is none that seeks after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that does good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes. Now we know that what things so ever the law says, it says to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ to all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believes in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Rom. 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:]
Jessie is a false prophetess. 1. She overtly denies the omniscience of God. She says men know more than God. 2. She denies all Scripture including The Bible. She claims that her wisdom is greater than Scripture. She says all Scripture including The Bible are unreliable because they contradict her. 3. She teaches never to pray to God. She says you should pray to men, like she does, or pray to her, that she gives better answers than God. Worse still, Jessie girl claims that Scripture taught her never to pray. 4. She claims that her feigned baby voice is superior to the still, small voice of The Spirit of God, hence, men should rely on her. 5. She claims The Bible contradicts The Book of Mormon, which claim is an outright lie from satan himself. In reality Jessie never reads either, she only googles for dumb data to deliver. She is not worth watching. Her presentations are uninspired and unintelligent.
@James Weller How are we supposed to respect you when you make false accusations? Jessie does not deny the omniscience of God or say that men know more than God. Where do you come up with such ridiculous ideas? Or again, Jessie does not "deny scripture". Have you even watched her videos? Or again, she does not teach to not pray to God. Why are you making such things up? I could go on, but I think I've made my point: You simply make baseless, groundless accusations, which says far more about you than her.
@@bowrudder899 First of all, is "Bowrudder" your actual legal name? I only address real men and real women. As a kindness I will say this: I told the truth about Jessie, so I stand by my statements.
Hey there. I'm currently talking to two Mormon girls-hoping to gently lead them to the truth. Thanks for this video, sister. I have a bit of a question about your first point, though-Jesus, when interacting with children: "But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 19:14) I suppose it's a discussion about when the age of accountability is, but children are treasured in God's eyes.
In regards to the 1st contradiction. Isn't it ironic that Mormonism have a lot more in common with Islam than with Christianity, as far as theology is concerned? In Islam their "doctrine of original sin" (described in Surah) is in the same context as how you described it. This is something I just picked up on regarding sin and our fallen state. As always Jess, good job :)
Their are only 2 religions. Either biblical Christianity which seems to be very rare. And everything else which dresses up the same thing of becoming righteous on your own and then becoming a god same lie that satan told in the garden
@@chn9285: David was not a child. The entire chapter of Psalm 51 is referring to a contrite sinner's prayer for a pardon. It is a Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came to him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba. We are born with a sinful nature, and we inherited it from Adam. “Sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people” (Romans 5:12).
Hi Jessie, I'm typing this as I watch your video (obviously pausing it in order to write and carefully listen to what you have to say). As a Christian, and more specifically a Latter-day Saint, I have seen the list you are referring to (and I can even tell you that there are even better arguments somewhere else, but I'll leave those in your capable hands). I'm not sure that I'll be able to address all of your points, because of the limitations on comment length, but here we go : --------------------------------------------------------- 1. Little children cannot sin (Moroni 8:8 vs. Psalm 51:5) --------------------------------------------------------- Well, right from the start, I must say that arguing doctrinal matter using Psalm is very ambitious! That's like trying to analyze human psychology through pop culture, today (i.e. the psalms support doctrine, they do not define it). Anyhow. The doctrine of "ancestral fault", which later was adopted by the Roman Catholic Church, has initially been presented as a tradition by Celsus in his work "True Doctrine". Celsus was actually against Christianity, and opposed just about everything about it. The teaching was then formalized and made a doctrine by Irenaeus, the Bishop of Lyon, in his struggle against Gnosticism. Among other things, Irenaeus argued that the Fall of Adam was a step in the wrong direction. Still, what he argued was not as extreme as what would be later found in the writings of Augustine. The Scriptural source of the original sin is based on the writings of Paul (Romans 5:12-21; 1 Corinthians 15:22) and Psalm 51:5. As we can take the teaching of Paul in it's context, that is the need for the atonement of Jesus Christ, Paul does not associate sin with children. In fact, the word "man" did not apply to children (see below). As for the psalm, David was much afflicted by his sins with Bathsheba. David seems to have been afflicted all of his life (see Psalm 69:9,12) and there is much lamentations in his writings. But when he wrote that he was "shapen in iniquity", it was not about him, but about how his great-grandparents were Boaz and Ruth. In short, David laments that he is the product of a sinful union between Boaz, a prince in Israel, and Ruth, a Moabite. That's it. Nowhere else in the Bible do we find such language about children be able to sin. In fact, if children had been dead, and in need to be born again, then how come does Christ say : "Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God." (Mark 10:14; Matthew 19:14; Luke 18:16) Being repeated three times in the Scriptures must be true! (Deuteronomy 17:6; 2 Corinthians 13:1) Throughout Christandom, the accepted definition of sin is to both transgress the law (1 John 3:4) and to rebel against God (Deuteronomy 9:7; Joshua 1:18); to rebel against someone implies a choice, therefore accountability (there is no coice without consequence). However, in Judaism, the age of accountability is 13 years old : "In Judaism, 13 is the age at which Jewish boys receive the same rights as a full-grown man and become a "son of the law" or bar mitzvah. Christianity borrowed many customs from Judaism; however, some Christian denominations or individual churches set the age of accountability much lower than 13." ( www.thoughtco.com/the-age-of-accountability-700152 ) In other words, even the Bible say that children cannot sin because they are not regarded as capable of choosing (or rejecting) Jesus Christ. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. The Fall of Adam was a postive (2 Nephi 2:23-25 vs. Genesis 3:16-19 & Romans 5:12 & Romans 8:20-21) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- After citing a few references without much explanation, you merely conclude that the contradiction between the requirements of the two commandments, i.e. fist, to be "fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over [all the Creation]" (Genesis 1:28) and, second, to "not eat of [the tree of the knowledge of good and evil]" (Genesis 2:17), cannot have been both exclusive (i.e. both positive) because it has "no basis in logic or the Biblical texts." (4:30) Alright, let's consider that you are right, and eating of the fruit was evil; then how do you account that... a. ...Eve saw that the tree was not only good for food, but "[desirable] to make wise"? (Gen. 3:6) b. ...neither Adam nor Eve knew that they were naked (i.e. they did not know something)? (Gen. 3:7) c. ...after they both ate of the fruit, God said that they had "become as one of [them]"? (Gen. 3:22) Are you saying that God wanted Adam and Eve to remain unwise, ignorant, and inferior to them? If so, then why Jesus said that we need to become perfect like Heavenly Father is perfect? (Matthew 5:48) Why does Jesus call the disciples His "brethren", and tells them that He and them have the same Father? (John 20:17) Why does Paul teach that we can be glorified with Christ? (Romans 8:17) But, and perhaps most importantly, why was there a need for Christ since the beginning (John 1:1), and why did He create all this if there should not be a fall away from God, followed by a redemption from sin? Do you suppose that Christ is a consequence of the Fall, that Satan managed to frustrate God into sending His Son for our sake? In the same chapter of 2 Nephi 2, we read : "Wherefore, the Lord God gave unto man that he should act for himself. Wherefore, man could not act for himself save it should be that he was enticed by the one or the other." (v.16) The concept of choice is omniprsent in the Scriptures (e.g. Joshua 24:15), and this is also the message of the Gospel; Jesus Christ never coerced anyone to believe Him. When some left, He did not rebuke them (John 6:66), but He invited all to come unto Him. Similarly, to be born again of the spirit is also a choice that one has to make. Everything is about choices, and one part of the Plan of Salvation was for Adam and Eve to make the choice of falling away from God in order to know good from evil. If they had remained in the garden of Eden (thus in the presence of God), they could not have known this (2 Nephi 2:11-13) As for Romans 5:12, it is about how Christ is mighty to save and redeem all mankind from the consequence of one man (and one woman), whereas Romans 8:20-21 is about how we are in a corruptible state and eventually all fall short before God (see Romans 3:23; 6:23, contrast with 1 Corinthians 15:42) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Black skin is a curse 2 Nephi 5:21 vs. Acts 17:26 & Galatians 3:28 & James 2:1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This argument is perhaps one of the most misunderstood idiom in the Book of Mormon. Yes, you read that right : the blackness of skin is an idiom. In fact, there was no visible physical distinctiveness between the skins of the Nephites in the Lamanites : "And the Amlicites were distinguished from the Nephites, for they had marked themselves with red in their foreheads after the manner of the Lamanites; nevertheless they had not shorn their heads like unto the Lamanites." (Alma 3:4) So, as you can see, the difference between the Amlicites, the Nephites, and the Lamanites was not skin, but a mark on the forehead, or having shaven heads. (Alma happens over 400 years after 2 Nephi, by the way.) As for more information about this idiom, very present in the Bible also, I strongly suggest that you watch Marvin Perkins excellent presentation about this, called "Blacks in the Scriptures" : th-cam.com/video/jJZ5fdlTXu4/w-d-xo.html ---------------- I'm running out of space, but if you want me to continue, I can make another comment. Sincerely.
I am a latter day saint too. The church is true. The Book of Mormon is true and I cannot deny it. It has transformed my life. So many lies are spread about the church and it is satan's greatest trick. Why wouldn't he want to stir up so many lies, half truths and hate about the true church of Jesus Christ.
@Avenged- Sevenfold I hear you and I am aware of what the verse says. It goes both ways though. When I've asked God if the church is not true I always recieve the answer that it is true. Do you get what I'm saying?
@Avenged- Sevenfold a child can choose wrong, because we are born corruptible, not sinners. A child cannot know that he is choosing either good or wrong, because he chooses foolishly. But as we grow up, we become wiser (or we should be) and learn how to discern the right from the wrong. This is why we need to be born again, and come back to Christ. But as a child is innocent before God, he does not sin. God does not condemn a child for choosing wrong, because the child does not know, he does not have the necessary experience to be accountable for his actions. "I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake. "I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. "I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. "I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father." (1 John 2:12-13) Little children are forgiven because they have known the Father, and because they do not know who the wicked one is.
@@protectpreservetheunborn4104 The true church is spoken of in the book of Acts and the epistles. There was no endowment ceremony, no mandatory tithing, no worthiness interviews, they did not worship a god that came from another planet, they did not mock Jesus Christ and say he was the brother of Lucifer, no restored priesthood ( Jesus is our High Priest forever after the order of Melchizedek), no baptizing for the dead (I Cor. 15 speaks of pagans baptizing for the dead. ), no secret handshakes, no holy underwear, no temple recommend, no temple (they met in homes), no salvation by grace after all you can do, no veil was put back up that God had torn in two, they did not believe they would become a god someday, the women were not hoping to share their husbands with other women and be pregnant for all eternity populating a planet, etc..
By a man trying to con people into thinking it is also the word of God in English, by attempting to imitate the majesty of the King James Bible. Yusuf Ali tried the same trick when he translated the Quran into English.
The KJV Elizabethan language is all the religious text Joseph knew ( he was uneducated) and so he used that familiar sacred language as he received his impressions during translation. Are you slow? Is that really hard to grasp?
@@JohnDLee-im4lo Well John, if you are determined to deceive yourself into believing this adulterous conman, I suppose that's your only option. In light Galatians 1:8 and of the entire package of context and evidence, Smith was a conman and a false prophet. But, suite yourself. It is better to be slow and right, than quick but deceived.
@@JohnDLee-im4lono, you half-wit, I'm not slow. If the material he was "reading" were ancient texts, they would not have been expressed in King James English. He "discovered and translated" them in the 19th century, also NOT a time when that version of the language was in use. Smith was a fraud and you're a moron.
@@serpent645 The paucity of your knowledge on this subject is laughable and breathtaking. He didn't "read" anything. As he reviewed the characters, he said he received impressions as to its interpretation. The language is Elizabethan English...the language of the King James Version of the Bible..even in the 19th century. Read my posts, you dullard. Wow, I guess you are that stupid...
Jessie: 1. How many infants know right from wrong? Little children may not sin even though they may transgress. Adam and Eve did not sin by partaking of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil because the knowledge of good and evil is required to sin. Psalm 51:5 "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me." Indeed the nature of humankind after the fall. 2. Prior to partaking of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil Adam and Eve were in a state of innocence and knew not that they were naked. Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. 17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Romans 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God." None of these referenced scriptures say that Adam and Eve sinned. The fall of Adam brought mortality and sin to all humankind but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 3. 2 Nephi 5:21 "And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them." Where in that scripture does it say whites are superior to blacks. It says that God had caused this to happen because of their iniquity. Acts 17:26 "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:" The Lord Jesus Christ during his mortal ministry ministered and directed his disciples to only minister to the Jews but sent them out to all the world in his post mortal ministry. Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. " Same as the last scripture. 4. 2 Nephi 25:23 "For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do. Moroni 10:32 Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God." Ephesians 2:1 "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast." Are we saved by Grace. Absolutely yes! Salvation depends upon what God has done to make salvation possible. He made a plan for salvation because we would be sorely tempted by Satan and his angels. Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." He gave his only begotten Son who alone could offer the perfect sacrifice. It is by the grace of God that we may inherit the Kingdom of God. We have certain steps in the process of salvation that are required. As the Apostle Paul said, 1 Corinthians 6:9 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." So, we must be washed (baptized), Sanctified (cleansed), and Justified (reconciled). How does one become justified? The Bible says, James 2:21 "Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." That is why our scripture states "after all we can do ." 5. 1 Nephi 13: 26 "And after they go forth by the hand of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, from the Jews unto the Gentiles, thou seest the formation of that great and abominable church, which is most abominable above all other churches; for behold, they have taken away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which are plain and most precious; and also many covenants of the Lord have they taken away." So, what is the Bible talking about when it says, Acts 3: 19 ¶ "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began." If we have it all then why would there be a need for a restitution before the second coming of Jesus Christ? Do you have the whole Bible? Do you have the took the book of the covenant, Ex. 24:7. book of the wars of the Lord, Num. 21:14. book of Jasher, Josh. 10:13 (2 Sam. 1:18). Samuel … wrote it in a book, 1 Sam. 10:25. book of the acts of Solomon, 1 Kgs. 11:41. book of Samuel the seer, 1 Chr. 29:29. book of Nathan the prophet, 2 Chr. 9:29. book of Shemaiah the prophet, 2 Chr. 12:15. acts of Abijah … in the story of the prophet Iddo, 2 Chr. 13:22. book of Jehu, 2 Chr. 20:34. written among the sayings of the seers, 2 Chr. 33:19. spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene, Matt. 2:23. I wrote unto you in an epistle, 1 Cor. 5:9. as I wrote afore in few words, Eph. 3:3. read the epistle from Laodicea, Col. 4:16. when I gave all diligence to write unto you, Jude 1:3. Enoch also … prophesied of these, Jude 1:14. If not, you don't have the whole Bible! 6.
6. The whole earth meaning in the Americas. There was no contact with Europe or the Middle East until after 1492. 8. 1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. 11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. There is and always has been two orders of the priesthood, the order of Melchisedec and Aaron. A certain lineage was not required for a high priest in the Melchisedec.
We have the whole Bible. The word “canon” comes from the rule of law that was used to determine if a book measured up to a standard. It is important to note that the writings of Scripture were canonical at the moment they were written. Scripture was Scripture when the pen touched the parchment. This is very important because Christianity does not start by defining God, or Jesus Christ, or salvation. The basis of Christianity is found in the authority of Scripture. If we cannot identify what Scripture is, then we cannot properly distinguish any theological truth from error. What measure or standard was used to determine which books should be classified as Scripture? A key verse to understanding the process and purpose, and perhaps the timing of the giving of Scripture, is Jude 3 which states that a Christian's faith “was once for all entrusted to the saints.” Since our faith is defined by Scripture, Jude is essentially saying that Scripture was given once for the benefit of all Christians. Isn't it wonderful to know that there are no hidden or lost manuscripts yet to be found, there are no secret books only familiar to a select few, and there are no people alive who have special revelation requiring us to trek up a Himalayan mountain in order to be enlightened? We can be confident that God has not left us without a witness. The same supernatural power God used to produce His Word has also been used to preserve it. Psalm 119:160 states that the entirety of God's Word is truth. Starting with that premise, we can compare writings outside the accepted canon of Scripture to see if they meet the test. As an example, the Bible claims that Jesus Christ is God (Isaiah 9:6-7; Matthew 1:22-23; John 1:1, 2, 14, 20:28; Acts 16:31, 34; Philippians 2:5-6; Colossians 2:9; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8; 2 Peter 1:1). Yet many extra-biblical texts, claiming to be Scripture, argue that Jesus is not God. When clear contradictions exist, the established Bible is to be trusted, leaving the others outside the sphere of Scripture. The early church had some very specific criteria in order for books to be considered as part of the New Testament. These included: Was the book written by someone who was an eyewitness of Jesus Christ? Did the book pass the “truth test”? (i.e., did it concur with other, already agreed-upon Scripture?). The New Testament books they accepted back then have endured the test of time and Christian orthodoxy has embraced these, with little challenge, for centuries. Confidence in the acceptance of specific books dates back to the first century recipients who offered firsthand testimony as to their authenticity. Furthermore, the end-time subject matter of the book of Revelation, and the prohibition of adding to the words of the book in Revelation 22:18, argue strongly that the canon was closed at the time of its writing (c. A.D. 95). There is an important theological point that should not be missed. God has used His word for millennia for one primary purpose-to reveal Himself and communicate to mankind. Ultimately, the church councils did not decide if a book was Scripture; that was decided when the human author was chosen by God to write. In order to accomplish the end result, including the preservation of His Word through the centuries, God guided the early church councils in their recognition of the canon.
@@dleoburns There is absolutely no mention in the entire Bible about a special class of Melchizedek priests. Melchizedek is mentioned briefly in the Old Testament in two places (Gen. 14:18-20 and Ps. 110:1). In Genesis 14, Melchizedek is a king and priest who blesses Abraham and to whom Abraham gives tithes. Psalm 110, a royal Messianic Psalm, applies this priesthood of Melchizedek to Jesus who is also a priest and king (cf. Matthew 22:44; 26:64; Mark 16:19; Heb. 5:5-6). However, nowhere in the Old or New Testaments do we see the practice of ordaining males to the office of the Melchizedek priesthood. Jesus alone is mentioned in the New Testament as a priest after the order of Melchizedek (Heb. 5:1-4ff). Instead, the Bible teaches that all believers have priesthood authority (1 Peter 2:5, 9; Rev. 1:6; 5:10; 20:6). Even in the Old Testament, the nation of Israel was to be a kingdom of priests (Ex. 19:5-6). However, Jesus is the unique High Priest (Heb. 7:23-8:13). Each believer has the authority to preach the Gospel, baptize, and govern the kingdom of God on this earth. It is not something that is limited to males who are above the age of 12 or 18.
The context of James 2:24 is not arguing against the doctrine of salvation by faith alone. James 2:14-26, as a whole, and especially verse 24, has been the subject of some confused interpretations. The passage definitely seems to cause serious problems for the “salvation by faith alone” concept. First, we need to clear up a misconception, namely, that James means the same thing by “justified” in James 2:24 that Paul means in Romans 3:28. Paul is using the word justified to mean “declared righteous by God.” Paul is speaking of God’s legal declaration of us as righteous as Christ’s righteousness is applied to our account. James is using the word justified to mean “being demonstrated and proved.” The entire James 2:14-26 passage is about proving the genuineness of your faith by what you do. A genuine salvation experience by faith in Jesus Christ will inevitably result in good works (cf. Ephesians 2:10). The works are the demonstration and proof of faith (James 2:18). A faith without works is useless (James 2:20) and dead (James 2:17); in other words, it is not true faith at all. Salvation is by faith alone, but that faith will never be alone. While James 2:24 is the only verse that contains the precise phrase “faith alone,” there are many other verses that do, in fact, teach salvation by faith alone. Any verse that ascribes salvation to faith/belief, with no other requirement mentioned, is a declaration that salvation is by faith alone. John 3:16 declares that salvation is given to “whoever believes in Him.” Acts 16:31 proclaims, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.” Ephesians 2:8 says, “For by grace you have been saved through faith.” See also Romans 3:28; 4:5; 5:1; Galatians 2:16; 3:24; Ephesians 1:13; and Philippians 3:9. Many other verses could be referenced in addition to these. James 2:24 does not argue against salvation by faith alone. Rather, it argues against a salvation that is alone, a salvation devoid of good works and obedience to God’s Word. James’s point is that we demonstrate our faith by what we do (James 2:18). The New Testament definitely teaches that salvation is the product of God’s grace in response to our faith. “Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? . . . On that of faith” (Romans 3:27). There is no other requirement.
These verses do not speak of a restored gospel. I Cor. 15 tells you what the gospel is It was never lost, so there is no need to restore it. Acts 1:6 So when they had come together, they were asking Him, saying, “Lord, is it at this time You are restoring the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority; Acts 3:19 Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; 20 and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, 21 whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time. 22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brethren; to Him you shall give heed to everything He says to you. 23 And it will be that every soul that does not heed that prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’ This is a reference to the future period when God will restore the earth to its original condition which existed before the fall of Adam and Eve. We see this reflected in Paul’s comments as well. Rom. 8:20-21, “For the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.” ****** How is one justified? Romans 4 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” 4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, Romans 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. Titus 3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Thank you for all your hard work. It took several years of many different Christians preaching the gospel to me for me to finally leave. I'm eternally grateful! Please don't give up or become discouraged.
little sinners are saved from hell the same way big sinners are saved from hell. god knows how to read the heart of a man and god knows how to read the heart of woman and god can read the heart of a baby. actually the christian god is the god of all mercy. that means, the reason mercy exists in the universe is because god provided it.
@@TheChrishendrix Christians don't base their beliefs on feelings. That's a mormon thing. The Bible says, "The heart is deceitful above all things. Who can know it?"
@@TheChrishendrix Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen. Faith comes from God ultimately. It is a gift he gives to us. All throughout the Bible God gives tangible ways to know if something is the word of God or someone is sent by God. Such as testing the prophets and spirits, and searching the scriptures if something is true. Paul encourages the people to search the scriptures to know if Jesus was the Messiah. He even praises them for doing so. This is just one example. The tests of a prophet include fulfilled prophecy. Even one false prophecy excludes him and he is not to be listened to. A prophet has to uphold what previous prophets have said. He cannot lead you after any other gods. And many more... Paul preached (and repeated) that if any man or angel preached another gospel then let him be accursed. He warned of false prophets and false Christs. Jesus gave us another test: "You shall know them by their fruits." A good tree cannot produce bad fruit. God always always always gives us simple (and intellectual) tests to know if something is true. Not once in the whole Bible does he say to pray for a good feeling. He actually says that the heart is deceitful above all things. Feelings are subjective and can lead you astray. In terms of the Book of Mormon, rather than praying about it one should search the Bible (what God has already revealed) and see if they match up. And also to put Joseph Smith to the test. Did he produce good or bad fruit? Did all of this prophecies come true? Did he preach the same Christ? Did he lead people after a false god? Etc. After all, shouldn't you bet your soul on something more than Joseph's word and good feelings?
@@rayma66 You're using the Bible in an attempt to use as evidence of itself.....you see the problem? You exercise the same "Faith" as a Mormon does with the book of Mormon. It's a blind assumption that your book is 'divine' or 'holy' over another book. But you have no evidence.
@tapir rider Then her utter preoccupation with what she perceives to be the biggest threat to reasonable people speaks even more in favor of the truthfulness and strength of the claims of the Restored Christian church! Thanks for the help.
@tapir rider Bah! The xmo whit is a slow one. I acknowledged she wasn’t a member and explained why her preoccupation nevertheless only further bolsters our claims. You don’t dedicate your life fighting against something that is so obviously flawed. Your name proves the same. You all cannot stop thinking about the Restoration because the issue is clearly not resolved in your own head. Of all the many issues you could dedicate your lives to, you’re preoccupied and have defined yourself with bringing down a statistically tiny minority religion. It’s because you realize what the Restoration really is. It’s the truth. You can leave it but you’ll never be able to leave it alone. You don’t refute our prophecies, you’re currently fulfilling them. Love you
@@raulofmustachio3d do you really think that people who have been seriously hurt by the mormon church have no right to respond? is the mormon church beyond reproach? only a dyed in the wool cult believer would stand firm with such nonsense. first of all, it is not right for the mormon church to spread lies. but it is mormon practice to lie all the time without the slightest sense of propriety or decency. 2nd of all i do not think it's right to indoctrinate little children with lies. 3rdly i think that someone who was lied to by the mormon church has every right to take them to task by presenting the truth. if you can't understand the above, then you're just going to have to accept that there are people who do not like being lied to. the mormon church crossed a barrier when they lied to me, and i see no reason to keep quiet about it.
Thank you so much for this videos,for over 3 years I tried to understand their believes but my bible showed me something else,and now you are clarifying my doubts...
What does the Bible teach about a newborn child or baby? 1. They know nothing in their childhood state (Deuteronomy 1:39). 2. There is a stage when children do not know the good or the bad (Isa 7:16). 3. Of children is the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 18: 1-5). 4. But Jesus said: Let the children come to me, and do not stop them; for such is the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 19: 13-15).
Why does it matter if things like Passover and ark of the covenant are mentioned in the bible? Cuz if you wanna get technical, they're mentioned in the Torah. Not at all, or hardly in the new testament.
@tapir rider looking back on it, you really didn't provide any evidence. You said "Mormonism is fake because, at it's foundation, it's based on fake principles" which, despite being true, doesn't provide any evidence other than "it's fake cuz it's fake"
@tapir rider Id say you need to work on your insults, but it's clear you really tried your best so I'll pretend like that wasn't the stupidest thing I've ever heard someone say in an argument.
Hello Jessie, I really appreciate this video thank you! The question I have is what do you think about the contradictions, issues and discrepancies in the Bible? Some of them are the fact that no one knows who wrote the gospels. Yet we call them Mark, Matthew, Luke and John.
The early church unanimously held that the gospel of Matthew was the first written gospel and was penned by the apostle of the same name (Matt. 10:2-4). Lately, the priority of Matthew as the first written gospel has come under suspicion with Mark being considered by many to be the first written gospel. The debate is far from over. The historian Papias mentions that the gospel of Matthew was originally in Aramaic or Hebrew and attributes the gospel to Matthew the apostle.5 "Irenaeus (ca. A.D. 180) continued Papias's views about Matthew and Mark and added his belief that Luke, the follower of Paul, put down in a book the gospel preached by that apostle, and that John, the Beloved Disciple, published his Gospel while residing in Asia. By the time of Irenaeus, Acts was also linked with Luke, the companion of Paul."6 This would mean that if Matthew did write in Aramaic originally, that he may have used Mark as a map, adding and clarifying certain events as he remembered them. But, this is not known for sure. The earliest quotation of Matthew is found in Ignatius who died around A.D. 115 A.D. Therefore, Matthew was in circulation well before Ignatius came on the scene. The various dates most widely held as possible writing dates of the Gospel are between A.D. 40 - 140. But Ignatius died around A.D. 115, and he quoted Matthew. Therefore Matthew had to be written before he died. Nevertheless, it is generally believed that Matthew was written before A.D. 70 and as early as A.D. 50. Mark Mark was not an eyewitness to the events of Jesus' life. He was a disciple of Peter and undoubtedly it was Peter who informed Mark of the life of Christ and guided him in writing the Gospel known by his name. "Papias claimed that Mark, the Evangelist, who had never heard Christ, was the interpreter of Peter, and that he carefully gave an account of everything he remembered from the preaching of Peter."7 Generally, Mark is said to be the earliest gospel with an authorship of between A.D. 55 to A.D. 70. Luke Luke was not an eyewitness of the life of Christ. He was a companion of Paul who also was not an eyewitness of Christ's life. But, both had ample opportunity to meet the disciples who knew Christ and learn the facts not only from them but from others in the area. Some might consider this damaging to the validity of the gospel but quite the contrary. Luke was a gentile convert to Christianity who was interested in the facts. He obviously had interviewed the eyewitnesses and written the Gospel account as well as Acts. "The first account I composed, Theophilus, about all that Jesus began to do and teach, until the day when He was taken up, after He had by the Holy Spirit given orders to the apostles whom He had chosen. To these He also presented Himself alive, after His suffering, by many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days, and speaking of the things concerning the kingdom of God." (Acts 1:1-3). Notice how Luke speaks of "them," of those who had personal encounters with Christ. Luke is simply recounting the events from the disciples. Since Luke agrees with Matthew, Mark, and John and since there is no contradictory information coming from any of the disciples stating that Luke was inaccurate and since Luke has proven to be a very accurate historian, we can conclude that Luke's account is very accurate. As far as dating the gospel goes, Luke was written before the book of Acts and Acts does not mention "Nero's persecution of the Christians in A.D. 64 or the deaths of James (A.D. 62), Paul (A.D. 64), and Peter (A.D. 65)."8 Therefore, we can conclude that Luke was written before A.D. 62. "Luke's Gospel comes (Acts 1:1) before the Acts. The date of Acts is still in dispute, but the early date (about A.D. 63) is gaining support constantly."9 John The writer of the gospel of John was obviously an eyewitness of the events of Christ's life since he speaks from a perspective of having been there during many of the events of Jesus' ministry and displays a good knowledge of Israeli geography and customs. The John Rylands papyrus fragment 52 of John's gospel dated in the year 135 contains portions of John 18, verses 31-33, 37-38. This fragment was found in Egypt, and a considerable amount of time is needed for the circulation of the gospel before it reached Egypt. It is the last of the gospels and appears to have been written in the 80's to 90's. Of important note is the lack of mention of the destruction of the Jewish temple in A.D. 70. But this is understandable since John was not focusing on historical events. Instead, he focused on the theological aspect of the person of Christ and listed His miracles and words that affirmed Christ's deity. Though there is still some debate on the dates of when the gospels were written, they were most assuredly completed before the close of the first century and written by eyewitnesses or under the direction of eyewitnesses. carm.org/when-were-gospels-written-and-by-whom
Faye Lewis I appreciate all the details. Did Mark say that he got his source to write the gospel from Peter? Did Luke say he got his source from Paul? Because Luke clearly states how he was inspired to write his gospel in Luke 1:3. He claimed that he wrote his gospel based on what he heard. Matthew didn’t write the gospel according to Matthew. Read Mathew chapter 9 or just read Matthew 9:9.
@@eismc2518 Perhaps you should read the book, 'Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus,' by Nabeel Qureshi. He went around the world seeking evidence for the validity of the Bible and the Quran. Mark's source was Peter, who was an eyewitness. Matthew is speaking in the third person here. Matthew 9:9 As Jesus went on from there, He saw a man called Matthew, sitting in the tax collector’s booth; and He *said to him, “Follow Me!” And he got up and followed Him. I don't think any of the gospels were written in the first person. Papias, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Eusebius, and Origen all affirm Matthean authorship. While Matthew did not sign his own name to “his” gospel, the early church uniformly attested to the apostle’s authorship of the book. As early as AD 140, a Christian named Papias wrote that Matthew had compiled the sayings of the Lord in Hebrew (presumably before Matthew translated them into Greek for a larger audience). Matthew’s name appears in all the biblical lists of the twelve apostles, though Mark and Luke refer to him as Levi. His history as a tax collector distinguished him from the other apostles, and immediately after his call to follow Jesus-an event he recorded in Matthew 9:9-Matthew hosted a feast for Jesus in his home with an invitation list made up of Matthew’s sinful friends. Apparently Matthew did not think it odd that Jesus and he would associate with the sinful and downtrodden of society.
@UCov5KvGSKx7dkZiBOagURfw All I know is that you have an appointment with death and an appointment with God. Jesus said the only way you will ever get into heaven is through Jesus Christ. Because God is just, He will punish sin-regardless of how well you keep the Five Pillars of Islam. As a Muslim, you long to reach paradise after you die. But as a sinner, how will you escape God’s judgment? You may think, “My faithfulness in keeping the Five Pillars may outweigh my sins. Hopefully, God will admit me to paradise.” You strive to keep the Five Pillars of Islam. Five times a day you kneel toward Mecca. The creed (shahada) often forms on your lips. You bring no bread or water to your mouth during the daylight of Ramadan. You are saving up money for the pilgrimage to Mecca and are freely giving alms to the poor. But still you question, “Is keeping the Five Pillars enough?” Your conscience convicts you of failing God’s standard of holiness. How could the holy God accept to paradise someone stained with even a little sin? Only one sin caused the first man’s downfall. Adam’s sin was not a “big sin” like adultery, murder, or blasphemy. By eating the forbidden fruit, Adam brought the curse of sin and death into the world. Shall we escape? We who have dishonored our parents, lied to our neighbors, or cheated our customers (Exodus 20)? We sin routinely by putting selfish interests ahead of loving God (Matthew 22:36-40). We proudly overlook or excuse our sins. But God does not overlook or excuse any sin. He will judge every thought, word, and deed (Ecclesiastes 12:14; Matthew 12:36; Revelation 20:12-15). God is a righteous Judge. Even on earth, a judge must punish sinners. A judge cannot pardon someone who has stolen just because the criminal claims to visit the mosque every Friday and fast during Ramadan. If sin goes unpunished, the law would be disregarded, and God would be dishonored. God is the just Judge and will not let sin go unpunished, regardless of how well you keep God’s laws or how many good deeds you do. Keeping the Five Pillars of Islam cannot get you to heaven. You are a sinner according to God’s Word (Romans 3:23; 1 John 1:8). The punishment for our sin is death-eternal death in hell. Our rightful home is hell. We need God’s mercy. But how can God be both merciful and just? The Bible explains how God’s mercy fits with His justice: “For by works of the law no human being will be justified in [God’s] sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it-the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe” (Romans 3:20-22a). Keeping the law cannot get us to heaven. Instead, the law reveals our sin. God’s justice requires eternal death in hell for sin, but His mercy provides eternal life in heaven through faith in Jesus. “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23). As the eternal Son of God, Jesus is one with God the Father. God sent His Son to earth to become man, but Jesus never ceased being God. Born by the power of the Holy Spirit to the virgin Mary, Jesus didn’t inherit Adam’s sin nature. Jesus is called the second Adam (1 Corinthians 15:22). While Adam’s one disobedience brought the curse of sin on the world, Jesus’ perfect life brings the hope of paradise to those who trust in Him. Jesus took the punishment for sin-death-by dying on the cross on behalf of believing sinners. Then, Jesus rose from the dead, showing He conquered sin and death. Don’t try to take care of sin on your own. Even keeping the Five Pillars of Islam, you will still fall short of God’s perfection. Turn from sin in repentance and turn to Jesus in faith (Luke 24:46-47; Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3:21-31; Galatians 3:6-14). God forgives believing sinners and gives them eternal life in heaven. God may be working in your heart, showing you your sin and need for Jesus. Receive God’s gift of eternal life! Trust Jesus as your crucified Savior and follow Him as your resurrected Lord!
@@fayelewis5476 Have you looked into the editorial fatigue argument for Marcan priority? This article makes a very strong case for it. isthatinthebible.wordpress.com/2015/03/10/how-editorial-fatigue-shows-that-matthew-and-luke-copied-mark
All religious arguments are basically. "My holy book can so beat up your holy book!" An all powerful god doesn't need a book. He can put his word directly in our hearts. Instead we observe that one's beliefs about gods are highly correlated with one's culture, and our understanding comes mostly from what we are taught by flawed men, rather than by some all knowing being.
6:27. Is where I stopped because I would expect the face of a channel to have thoughts and not read everything. The Bible warns against lying. The Book of Mormon doesn't say what you said it does about skin color. It says what you were claiming was a refutation of it.
@tapir rider She claimed The Book of Mormon teaches that the skin color itself is what is dirty. If that were the case there would be no heroes, including a prophet, who were dark skinned. King Lamoni is portrayed in a positive way and he is Lamanite (the people marked with a "skin of blackness".) Samuel the Lamanite was a prophet who Jesus thought was important enough to scold people who didn't record his fulfilled prophecy and other teachings. Abish was a Lamanite (dark skinned) woman who was converted to the Lord. The people of Anti-Nephi-Lehi were Lamanites who were dark skinned. The 2000 warriors led by Helaman were ethnically Lamanites (dark skinned) and heroes. Shortly before the Savior's birth the Lamanites were more righteous than the Nephites and still physically dark. Any honest reader can see when the Lamanites became a dark, filthy, and loathesome people it means spiritually dark. That word is used in the same sense by Syndrome in The Incredibles movie. When Mr. Incredible threatened to break Mirage's body, Syndrome said, "That seems kind of dark for you."
@tapir rider The curse was being cut off from the Lord. The people of anti-Nephi-Lehi were no longer cut off from the Lord. People saying things has nothing to do with what is in the book when Jessie is accusing the specific book of something.
@tapir rider I'm an adult not a young teenager. I know what is happening. "White" didn't have the racial meaning it does to us when The Book of Mormon was written. A "white and delightsome people" is a spiritually pure people. That quote from Spencer W Kimball about the specific family is an example of a misunderstanding because we aren't perfect. The Book of Mormon is an actual record fo an actual ancient people.
@tapir rider I never said anything about your children's age. Thanks for showing how vindictive, immature, and hateful those who fight against the church are. Everybody else, read The Book of Mormon for yourself instead of trusting tapir rider. You will find a book which has an awkwardness that matches a book etched onto metal plates in one language and translated into another language. You will find a book which lacks details about somethings. Those details are probably in the stolen pages, which were stolen before it was printed. You will feel The Holy Ghost testifying of the truthfulness of the book. Tapir rider, immature rude insult. Immature rude insult. Immature rude insult. Immature ride insult. Immature rude insult. It was hard but I found a way to insult you more than you did to me, that means I win the argument. Or does it?
@tapir rider You accused me of youthful ignorance or stupidity. I comment about my age. There is nothing about your children in that. Thanks for helping me decide to stay with Jesus Christ. I don't find a liar more appealing than Jesus Christ. You told me nothing new in these posts. I've heard it all before. That is why you aren't convincing me. You are a broken record. It is a logical fallacy to accuse another person of not thinking because they disagree with you. If someone reads The Book of Mormon without a bias against it, they will see it is everything it claims to be. Such a person will get close to Jesus because The Book of Mormon is full of Him. If someone reads The Bible without preconcieved notions they won't see the plausibility of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' teachings. If you really believe God doesn't lie, you will trust Him. Asking someone is something you do if that person can be trusted.
I have a question so according to teh Mormons, they believe that the purpose of the temple is that we can Baptist those who died without being baptized. So you (the living ) will give a name of your great grand parents and you (the living) will be baptized on behalf of them. Guys help me here where in the Bible does it say so?
@@naomirachel1755 It doesnt. The dead cannot be baptised. If you depart this life having rejected Jesus then Jesus will deny that person before the Father. There can't be any saving after death. Once the doors are closed thats it. The act of baptising the dead is a vain act. It does nothing. God did not command it. It is an ancient Egyptian practice. Mormons revived it.
Good morning Jessie. I am watching our General Conference of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and felt inspired to invite you to listen along. I hope you will find a Spirit of peace with your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. I pray you will listen to learn before you listen to disprove. I am grateful for the Spirit of Jesus Christ to testify and teach us all individually. I know you feel truth in your heart which is why you have created this channel. I pray that you might share the truth that strengthens your faith and be more mindful in the ways you speak about my faith I hold so dear. I know Jesus is the Christ. Come and listen to a Prophet’s voice. It is not my job to convert you or change your heart. The Spirit does that. I love you as a sister in Christ. God is good and loving to all of His children.
I appreciate your kindness! My next video is about the LGBT ban that was lifted in the General Conference and many other changes your church is going through under the name of "revelation." Although Mormons believe they follow the same God and Jesus that Christians do, it is simply not the case. We are not sisters in Christ, I'm afraid. That breaks my heart. But we can be if you would only open your eyes and come to know the one and only true God of the Bible. The Jesus of the Bible is the only One who can save your soul. The false Jesus of the LDS church is Lucifer's older brother and not the eternal God. The Heavenly Father of the Bible is not the God of the Bible or of Moroni 8:18 or 2 Nephi 31:21 but is the god of Joseph Smith's King Follett Discourse where Joseph declared that supposing God was God of all eternity was false.. he said he would take away the veil so you can see.. God was once a man just like us who was exalted into godhood.. we too have to learn to become gods ourselves. Blasphemy. That is the false Mormon god, in an infinity of plural gods.. completely contradicting the Bible and blaspheming the one true God. Russell Nelson is not a prophet. He is a business man. I pray that you will read the New Testament of the Bible (not the LDS Bible that gives commentary on the Bible so you will read it with the false message they teach) but the raw, true Word of God that will show you so clearly who Jesus is and what Biblical Salvation is. The LDS "plan of Salvation" is in total contradiction to the Bible as well. No, not every soul is "saved" (meaning resurrected) as a result of the atonement. Salvation is ONLY for those who place their trust in Jesus Christ alone for Salvation and we are saved through FAITH. Ephesians 2:8-9. All others will go to Hell. I will pray right now that you will come to know God and will get truly (Biblically) saved. Mormonism won't save you, my friend. It is a lie.
32 years of my reading, seaching the truthfuness of the book of mormon i never see any contradiction in the bible.what this Lady, saying in this vedeo i already heard to my old pastor friends 20 years ago and its already answered.was this Lady teach Love in their Chuch were she belong? Or she really a true Christian? Why is it she's telling, sharing this video cretizising the Restored Church of Jesus Chist? What is the Fruit of the Spirit? (Gal.5:22-23) Love, Joy, Peace...Goodness, Faith...against such there is no law.
@@arthursaulda8626 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel. - Article of Faith #3 Book of Mormon For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do. - 2 Nephi 25:23 "One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God; that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation," (Miracle of Forgiveness, Spencer W. Kimball, p. 206). THE BIBLE Eph. 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and [h]that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. *********** Jesus' sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, 1856, p. 247). THE BIBLE I John 1:7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. ********** Good works are necessary for salvation (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 92). THE BIBLE Romans 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. Titus 3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, *********** There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 188). THE BIBLE Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me." - John 14:6 *********** "This grace is an enabling power that allows men and women to lay hold on eternal life and exaltation after they have expended their own best efforts," (LDS Bible Dictionary, p. 697). THE BIBLE Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. *********** There is no salvation outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Mormon Doctrine, p.670). THE BIBLE And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name (Jesus) under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved. - Acts 4:12
The LDS cult was based on Joseph Smith's musings while wandering with his seer stone! I pray that you will seek the TRUE Jesus Christ as he is the only way!! Joseph Smith's jesus is a brother to Lucifer and NOT the true redeemer!! Faith alone through Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior is the ONLY way to eternal salvation!!
Deuteronomy 12:32 “Everything that I command you, you shall be careful to do. You shall not add to it or take from it. Once I read this verse then what possible could u say to make me want to study the Book of Mormon
@@beediggity797 somewhat agree, but it doesn’t make the bom or boa true. They make historical and translation claims that can be tested. The people of the bom did not exist on this continent and the boa is a false translation of common Egyptian funerary papyrus. Don’t need confirmation from any god to check that.
So this verse doesn’t say anything about the Book of Mormon or other scriptures 😂😂 if you take this verse out of context like you are, then the rest of the books after Deuteronomy are invalid.
The book of Mormon mentions we need to become like little children 4 times, three in 3Nephi and one in Mosiah. This teaching reinforces a subject lightly touched by the gospels. There are zero contradictions between the book of Mormon and the Bible.
Yes there is right off the top my head Faith in Jesus Christ justify Grace Mormon Doctrine Your save by Grace after all you can do I testify Smith was wrong. It is a gift not of works
You havedone a very good job comparing Mormonism to sacred Scripture. However, in your own statement of faith you stated that you believe you are saved by faith ALONE. Aside from the fact that Martin Luther literally added the word "Alone" to the text of Romans 1;17. Changing the text from the origional Greek "The just shall live by faith" to the Lutheran version "The just shall live by faith alone". Quite a significant difference. (I do speak German, and this addition is present in my own Luther translation.) This is in stark opposition to the Teachings of James, and Peter. Which lead me to wonder if anything I believed was actually germain to the origional yeachings of Our Lord himself. I now believe that we should not just compare our beliefs merely to scripture, but actually ascertain that what our beliefs are, are in accordance with the actual beliefs of the Apostles themselves. ALONG with making sure that these things are also origional to the direct teachings of Christ Himself. I no longer affirm my beliefs to "The Bible " but rather I look to the Bible to check what i believe against what it's Spirit led Authors also believed. This methodology clears up a lot of confusion. It also sent me to a place which I didnt really want to go, but i was left with no other choice.
That must be why James said that Faith without works is dead. Jesus said, "If any man desire to follow me, let him deny himself, tak up his cross and follow me." That sure sounds like work to me. I'm not trying to be argumentative here. But just because someone who we trust tells us something doesnt make it so. I was born and raised Seventh Day Adventist. Everybody i knew taught me Adventist doctrine. But it is at least as heretical as Mormonism. Learning of their lies i jumped right into Calvinism Southern Baptist to be exact. But there were so many things i read in scripture which i still couldnt wiggle out of. For instance 1Timothy 2;15. Please explain THAT one away. I never could. But the one thing you simply cannot deny once you study the subject, is the death and resurrection of Jesus. Upon that we stand. And our lives are changed by it. This effects a change of heart which demands that we act upon it. Works again. (But not works of the Jewish law)
😂😂😂 The first one!! That’s where I stoped and couldn’t stop laughing! I have two kids and I’m sure anyone out there with kids would find this funny too.. Mum; “Did you draw on the wall”?? Child; “NO”! (Holding crayons behind their backs lol) And than throwing their siblings under the bus.. “Rick did it, I swear”!! Um.. ‘Thy shall not lie’?? That’s hilarious!!
@@SimonDaumMusic if you study it out and compare the supposed contradictions with intellectual honesty, it always comes out as truth and doesn't contradict at all. Verses pulled randomly out of context will seemingly contradict. But once you dive into study to see if the contradictions are valid, the answer is always, "no." The Bible doesn't contradict and always has a satisfactory answer.
@@itsmejessie Hey Jessie, thanks for your response, I really appreciate it. I want to be very clear, I believe in God. I believe that God is perfect, and that there literally is nothing besides God that is as perfect as he is, which means yes, the more honest we approach people, churches and the scriptures, the more mistakes, errors and contradictions we will find. But at the same time, the more we turn to God, use the spiritual discernment Jesus thaught, the deeper the layers of truth that will unfold to us, not because the scriptures are perfect, but because God is, meaning, God can and does teach truth through imperfect means, which does include the Book of Mormon. //CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE The idea that there are no contradictions in the Bible is actually nothing the ancients, nor the early church fathers like Martin Luther, Calvin, John Christosum, Jerome or Origin embraced. They all admitted that there are contradictions, whether it be in regards to the resurrection, the cruxifixion, times and places, or other discrepancies we know are in the gospels. They didnt even make a big deal out of things like Matthew quoting Zechariah, whilst saying he is quoting Jeremiah, and so forth. That the Bible is inerrant and univocal actually is a rather modern innovation from the 19th century, and mainly served as a attempt to push back against the liberalism and the rationalism of the Enlightenment, to ensure the power of the Bible, the church, and authority over science and rationalism. Questions we have to ask ourselves are, what is the whole point of the BIble being inerrant, if people that embrace this doctrine prove all over the place to still end up with different doctrines. Also the question needs to be asked, what does the doctrine of the inerrancy actually make out of the atonement of Christ? Does it not mean that his atonement, as well as eternal life is now limited only to those who have the proper, doctrinal understanding of God from the Bible? The way I read the Bible, eternal life is not so much depending on a proper doctrinal understanding, but much more depends on "knowing God". Knowing everything about God, getting every doctrine right, even having faith and good works, doesnt equal "knowing God" though, according to Paul. //WHY INERRANCY IS HARMFUL The reasons why the doctrine of the inerrancy of the Bible is harmful is for one, because in the end it causes people to raise up their own interpretation to now represend Gods spiritally objective standart where now nothing can challenge or question it, neither science, nor common sense, nor the Bible itself. I literally talked to hundrets of evangelivals over the past years, and the common premise was always that reality was always shaped by the Bible alone, instead of shaping reality and a proper understanding of the Bible by the facts, the data and the proper historical and social background. How the Bible started to get interpreted over the past few hundret years has now become inerrant over how the ancients actually meant it. Secondly, embracing the idea of the Bible being inerrant means that when we read that God condones slavery, as laid out in Leviticus, or even commands to kill all the Canaanites merely because they were living in the wrong spot of the land (because other nations around and even Israel itself committed just the very same sins, and were still not plotted out, so much to there being no favorism in the Bible), then we now cannot question God, cannot question the Bible, because every word of the Bible is the perfectly inspired word of God (though inspired, or God-breathed, anciently rather carried the meaning of being enlivening and refreshing, and was also used in regards to ointmends, springs of water and even sandals). But truth is, science knows that the Canaanite cities never experience that invation and desctruction, and we also know that ancient Israel was a tribe that loved telling exaggerated stories about their God, and so now we see the benefit of admitting mistakes, errors and human influence into the Bible, because we get many answer, to many questions that dont force us to make evil things good, just because we believe they originate from God. Mayby even more important, allowing all the facts and data into our lifes, at the same time applying the only spiritually objective means of discernment Jesus thaught, helps us to uncover the deeper layers of truth, and by doing so discovering the power and beauty of God despite obvious errors and mistakes. And that allowes the atonement of Christ to now work on a much larger scale, because now eternal life is not just limited to those with a proper doctrinal understanding from the Bible alone, but rather offers it to all those that "know God": Where I agree with you is when you said that "the Bible always has a satisfactory answer", and that actually is part of the problem, because you can literally find verses to support all sorts of opinions, and then claim it being inerrant. A most simplified example of this is Proverbs 26, where you read in verse 4 that "you are not to answer a fool", and in verse 5 that you "are to answer a fool". What this proves is that it needs far more than just the Bible. The Bible on its own fails as spiritually objective means to discern spiritual truth. History proves it, and people today prove it. So even if we ignored all the contradictions we have, and I could name endlessly many examples of that, people would still end up contradicting themselves. //CONTRADICTIONS BIBLE and BOOK OF MORMON So just as we find contradictions between people believing in the inerrancy of the Bible, and just as we find contradictions in the Bible itself, so will we find contradictions between the Book of Mormon and the Bible. But, many of the contradictions you bring up are only contradictions because of what people already expect when engaging with the text. For example 2 Nephi 25:23. Evangelicals love to bring thise verse up to prove how the Book of Mormon teaches a works based salvation, and yes, there have been a few church leaders and members that have used this scripture in that manner, but its not at all what it teaches if we care about the context. Nephi teaches 600 B.C. specifically to his bretheren and chidlren in regards to the law of Moses, and how Jesus will eventually come to fulfill the law of Moses, so that THEY will eventually also receive grace, but how they are commanded to observe the law of Moses. In other words, Nephi is teaching that "THEY will eventually be saved by grace, once Christ has come to fulfill the mosaic law, after all THEY can do, which was to keep obeying the dead, works based law of Moses. If suffices to look a little deeper, to read the surrounding verses, to read the whole Book of Mormon, and people will understand that the Book of Mormon doesnt teach a works based salvation as evangelicals think it does. The same applies to Moroni, by the way. In addition to that, during the time of Joseph Smith the phrase "being saved by grace after all we can do" was used in many literary works as well as by other Christians, and not in one instance meant a works based salvation, but rather was used in the sense "being saved by grace despite all we can do": Context really matters, and that also applies to Ephesians 2. It would take to much place and time to get into that now, and if you say you would like to hear my viewpoint on why I dont believe Paul is saying here that works dont matter, let me know, and I am happy to do so from the Bible alone. // CONCLUSION As I see it, a very honest approach of the Bible means that people will see contradictions, errors and mistakes, and yet still discover the power and beauty of God in it. Also, people will also see differences between the Bible and the Book of Mormon, but the more they know God, the more they apply spiritual discernment, the more they can and still will discvoer God in both books. The more people enagage with the true meaning of the text, engage with the context, the more they will find God in it. God is not limited to one book, one religion, one narrow doctrinal interpretation of God, but instead people will understand that God lierally is truth, and that everything that is truth will lead people unto Christ, and that everything that brings people unto Christ, is good, and therefore of God. And thats a teaching we find very clearly on both books, the Bible and the Book of Mormon. Yes, people can deny this and try to discprove it, but Jesus was very clear, whatsoever brings forth the "good fruit", is of God, and who are we to deny it when we know its happening?
@@itsmejessie Some other thoughts, and unfortunatly I lack time to go through all of them, are.. // CHILDREN NO CAPABLE TO COMMIT SIN I think it is obvious that the very reason why children cannot commit sin, is not that they are without sin by anture, but rather because "they are all alive in Christ because of his mercy" (Moroni 8:19), because God "redeemd then from the foundation of the world through Jesus" D&C 29:46-47, them being made"holy through the atonement of Christ (D&C 74:7). I think alone the fact that children are in need ot the atonement and Gods mercies clearly implies that children can sin. So, the reason they cannot commit sin is because God will not account it as sin, and with that we need to understand Moroni 8:8 in its proper context. // ADAM AND EVE The Bible itself actually offers contradictive creation acounts. For example, where Adam and Eve created simultanously, or one after the other? Also, the earlier creation acount (Genesis 2:4 to end of chapter 2), composed around the 7th century BCE, presents God as very anthropomorphic and corpreal who forme creation as one does with clay, while the later, priestly account, (1 Gen. -2:4), actually is correcting and supplanting the earlier creation account, because the earlier account presents God as ahving to take a few tries to get things right, like creating the male human, then thinking Adam needs something more, so lets make some animals, which is not working for Adam, so, lets make a women, etc. In the priestly account though, everything is good as soon as it is created, and its also here both are created simulatiously. In other words, the text is not univocal. Apart from that, yes, the Book of Mormon does teach differences to the Bible, as does the Bible offer differences as shown above, and so I am not sure pointing out differences perse proves either book perfectly right or wrong. To me it seems clear that Adam and Eve did rebell, and God knew they would rebel, and therefore its God that clearly gives power and meaning to whatever choice Adam and Eve came up with. Important to me is the power and perfection of God, not so much whether they mayby could not have multiplied in the Garden of Eden. After all it was God who created all the possibilities with the outcome we got today, right? //WHITE SKINNED PEOPLE SUPERIOUR TO BACK SKINNED PEOPLE Now I think there is a little double stanart here, because in that sense you could also argue that he biblical patriarchs were racist when it came to their pagan neighbors, the Hittites, the Canaanites, and the Amorites, and did not want their offspring to marry these unbelievers. Or how only the Levites were permitted to hild the priesthood. The Book of Mormon itself was not so much about Skin Colour. For example, once the Lamanites had been converted to the Nephite religion, the barriers separating these people dissolved. Even before they were converted, the Nephites considered the Lamanites to be “brethren,” a term used more than fifty times in reference to the Lamanites in the Book of Mormon. This is hardly a term that one would expect to find in a society that holds racist views of a neighboring people. And within the Book of Mormon itself, the Lamanites often times were the good guys, and the Nephites the bad guys. I absolutly think the priesthood ban was bad and wrong thing, lets be honest about that. But when we compare the Bible with the Book of Mormon, we have the Book of Mormon end up less racist then the Bible, even have the Book of Mormon, specifically Nephi who first write about the "skin of balackness", also write that God accepts all, also "black and white", who are willing to come unto him. The Book of Mormon makes it clear that the color of one’s skin has no bearing on one’s status as a righteous or sinful person. Nephi, the son of Helaman, declared to the Nephites, "For behold, thus saith the Lord: I will not show unto the wicked of my strength, to one more than the other, save it be unto those that repent of their sins, and hearken unto my words. Now therefore, I would that ye should behold, my brethren, that it shall be better for the Lamanites than for you except ye shall repent. For behold, they are more righteous than you, for they have not sinned against that great knowledge which ye have received; therefore the Lord will be merciful unto them; yea, he will lengthen out their days and increase their seed, even when thou shalt be utterly destroyed except thou shalt repent." I could go on and on about every point you bring up, showing that its not all as black and white as you think things are.. And I think we need to turn away from that kind of black and white thinking, starting to care more about context and the true meaning of things, because in the end that will prove the power and beauty of God. Mormons can and do come unto Christ, the idea they get everything wrong, or at least wrong enough to not be able to come unto Christ, while all Christians have that perfect, univocal and all time inerrant truth, simply isnt how it works. What it mostly does is to limit down Gods power and beauty to call pure whatsoever brings forth the good fruits, and I guess thats the whole point of me even responding.
@@SimonDaumMusic hi! Thank you for your response as well. And thanks for using kindness and tact. I have to wholeheartedly disagree with the Bible having any contradictions or flaws. It is God's written and active, LIVING Word. It's how God speaks to us. If God is perfect, His Word has to be perfect. He cannot use fallacy, as He is perfect and Holy. God is truth. God's Word is truth. So if we cannot trust the Bible, we cannot trust God. The comment about Luther and others admitting to discrepancies in the Bible is a false statement. Bible Scholars and Theologians can address topics with apparent contradiction but the supposed contradictions are always worked out and solved in a way that proved no contradiction whatsoever. The 4 Gospels have variations, as they were penned by 4 different disciples of Jesus. They were eye-witnesses to these events. And yet, all of their Gospels are united and in agreement upon further study. Two very important resources I have found on this topic are these: Evidence that Demands a Verdict by Josh and Sean McDowell. It's a book that lays the foundation for the overwhelming evidence (apologetics) found in Christianity. The other resource I like is Cold Case Christianity by J Warner Wallace where he dives into the various Gospel accounts to investigate whether or not there are actual contradictions and also, to verify the validity of the Resurrection. It's some powerful stuff. I don't hold a blind faith as a born again Christian. I serve a God who I can trust wholeheartedly. And He speaks through his written, inerrant Word which changes lives eternally.
@@itsmejessie Thank you Jessie, absolutly, I think we have to engage with these things kindly, or we prove a fraud right away. But how do you explain all the factual contradictions in the Bible in reagrds to times and places? Or would you even say these are not present in the Bible? And how do you explain that so many that share your believe of the Bible being inerrant, still fight and argue over so many vital doctrines? I literally have talked to hundrets of Evangelicals over the past years, and most of them say the same thing you do about the inerrancy of the Bible, but still have very different doctrinal understandings of God, the Bible and Salvation. And how would you explain that if God only works through the Bible, that he can keep his promise to offer salvation to all mankind? Because most of humanity never came accross the Bible, and even fewer share the same doctrine. I guess the very essential question it all comes down to is how we can truly know what is of God and what not. I believe the Bible teaches a spiritually obective way how we can know, but it excludes the doctrine of the Bible being inerrant. We agree, yes, God is perfect, and we also agree that "gods word" is perfect, but to me "the word" is above all a reference to Jesus, and to "know God" is not dependent upon perfectly knowing doctrine. Paul, in 1 Corint. 13 pointed out very clearly that even if you have faitih, works, and all the gifts of the spirit, knowing all of Gods mysteries, that doesn mean you actually "know God". To know God literally means to "love" (1 John 4:8), and to know God literally means to obtain eternal life (John 17;3). On the other hand, when Jesus was asked about eternal life, he gave us the parable of the good Samaritan. The Jews actually considered the Samaritans to be pagans, to err in doctrine, to worship false Gods, and yet the Samaritan was the one whom Christ considered to be good, not because of his faith, nor because of his works, but because he brought forth mercy and charity from a pure hear. Evangelicals often share a very similar view about Mormons, them getting the scritptures wrong, worshipping a false gospel and Jesus. You left Mormonism, and you found God, and now you see many contradictions and errors in the LDS faith, and yes, there are errors and contradictions, but just as you can make sense of all the clear contradictions in the Bible, so has the Book of Mormon unfolded to me in very similar ways, as I laid out in my response to 2 Nephi 25:23.. The thing is, you will always have Chistians disagree on doctrines, whether throughout history, or whether it be today. But what will eventually lead people to eternal life is the good fruit of "knowing God", as we see with the parable of the good Samaritan, and not so much focusing on the leter, but rather on the spirit. I dont deny that you truly "know God", but I think you err to believe that "Mormons" cannot know God in the same manner, for this has been and yet still is my experience. But its not exclusive to Mormons either. Eternal life isnt so much about religion or doctrine, its above all about "knowing God". And the difference that makes it to me is that people can know God throghout all history, all places, all times. It is not limited to a slect few that happened to have the fortune to come accross the Bible and get it the right way.
Yes, the Book of Mormon teaches that actually. Nephi often talks about how he glorifies in plainness for Christ teachings are simple. It also talks about how the jews complicate things and pollute his word. The Book of Mormon is the word of Christ. I promise you this. Read 2 nephi chapter 33 verse 10 and pray about it. I promise that you will recieve an answer that the Book of Mormon is true according to your faith. Please pray and read that verse. Maybe even the whole chapter. You can just look it up on google
@@protectpreservetheunborn4104 I have read all Smith's books and it's Fiction at best. You can draw a good feeling from almost anything and Satan can deliver a good feeling.. How ever Jerimiah tells us the heart can be deceitful. Jerimiah 17:9 I'm not trying to trash you. But Mormon Theology is not the God or Jesus of the Bible. You have to asked yourself, Why there is no real evidence of these Civilizations if great battles happen on Hill Cumorah Why not excavate the Hill ? If the plates were real then we would find real evidence on the Hill. Your Leaders will not do it. Why ? Cause there is nothing there. You my friend are in a counterfeit gospel It is not of God. It is an invention of man It is a Work to get to be a god. It says God is an exalted Man It claims there was a premortal existence That we were all spirit babies That means Christ and Lucifer are brothers John 1:1 Did John Lie ? But the scriptures tell us Jesus Christ created all things All you have to do is come to Christ Have Faith in the Biblical Jesus, and only him and you my friend will experience true Spiritual Grace I will pray for you my misguided friend
The book of Mormon teaches that man becomes god and that is the same thing that satan teaches in the garden. Eat the fruit and you will become like God.
@@skypimp3409 the Book of Mormon does not teach it. By that statement it is clear you have not read the book. We do not believe that we will be Gods, in fact all of those theories are not canon in our doctrine at all. There are many theories that mormons have about what exaltation will be like and one is that we can become as God. Jesus concluded the sermon on the mount with be ye therefore perfect as your father who is in heaven. Through His grace, through the atonement, maybe eventually we will be made perfect. God is perfect. So maybe we will be like God, but never be God. Again, our religion does not teach this so these are all just theories so it's not fair to criticize us for something we don't believe. Please don't fall for lies on the internet. Attend one of our meetings. Read the Book of Mormon. You will come to understand that so many lies are spread about us
I want to take the time to tell you thank you for creating this video. It is very informative. As I have left the Mormon church three years ago. My wife is still very deeply interested in the Mormon church. I do not know if I will be able to break Satan’s hold on her. I do know that the Lord our God will fight our battles. Thank you for taking the time
Devin Huhta, see if you can challenge your wife to watch this video to the end and tell you why it can't possibly be true. Watch "The Bible vs Joseph Smith" on TH-cam th-cam.com/video/nWyMj2LWge4/w-d-xo.html Thre facts are presented in an amazingly loving way.
So for your first point, are you saying that children go to hell even though they die? When said he'll see his child, that could be implying that he believes he's going to hell too
No, although Mormonism teaches that David did not eternally make it to Heaven, the Bible teaches otherwise. And I definitely believe that Biblically we can conclude that babies and very small children who die before being able to comprehend Biblical Salvation go to Heaven. This includes babies who are aborted in the womb.
Thank you very much Jessie. Nice job in the researching of Book of Mormon and the Holy Bible. Love it when God and Jesus Christ refer to the King of Kings and Prince of Prince.
My church has an outreach for X-Mormon-Seekers. Our commitment is to lead them to the true Jesus Christ. Most LDS know there are major issues with their cult but they like the social aspect LDS offers. Believers need to love them where they are.
@@alannahmay3823 No, but LDS missionaries came to me in 1986 and asked me to read the BoM; I did and knew it was fake. They became my mission field since then.
3. Idk why Protestants are OK with Cain getting cursed by God, but somehow it's not OK for God to put a curse on the lamanites. Why people always have issue with this is odd. Especially with what is stated in 2 nephi 26:33 "[God] inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile" 4. "By grace were saved after all we can do" isn't even far off from what you teach either. Paul and nephi are speaking to two different audience's. Paul to converted Christians, nephi to those who haven't converted yet. So we have to determine what does "all we can do" mean. It doesn't mean works. Check out what is said by these converts in Alma "behold, it has been all that we could doto repent of all our sins... it was all we could do to repent sufficiently before God that he would take away our stain" so what does "all we can do" mean? It means to repent. So rewrite it and it actually says "it is by grace we are saved after we repent" is that really any different than what you already teach? No that's the same thing. That's why it's hilarious when Protestants proof text this and say it's a contradiction.
the mormon belief that the curse of the lamanites was black skin and that they were a dark lazy filthy and loathsome people is held all the way through to the end of the book of mormon. statement made by Elder Kimball in the October 1960 General Conference, 15 years before he became president of the Church: I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation. [1] President Kimball felt that the Indians were becoming a “white and delightsome” people through the power of God as a result their acceptance of the Gospel. the mormon belief that dark skin is a curse was fine in the 19th century. a lot of people believed that way, but it has no place in the 21st century.
I like what you’re pointing out. But you can’t leave out the irony that God had to put temptation in the garden in the first place knowing what the outcome is going to be and you say Mormons don’t make sense most of Christian doctrine don’t make sense unless you are indoctrinated and have A twisted understanding on what love really is
As for only having one high priest at a time a simple google search would debunk that idea. 2 Chronicles 31 mentions a list of high priest that were all called within the house of King Hezekiah. verses 10 mentions Azariah as the chief priest, but then in verses 13 it says that Jehiel, and Azaziah, and Nahath, and Asahel, and Jerimoth, and Jozabad, and Eliel, and Ismachiah, and Mahath, and Benaiah, are all under the hand of Cononiah and Shimei who are also high priests. but then still says that Azariah is ruler of the house of God.... and only then does is go on to explain the role of Aaronic or Levitical priesthood holders in that time. You can't just disregard Luke 3:2 as being a corruption of mosaic law... those keeping the record knew the law better than the Pharisees considering that they had Jesus, and even they still called both Annas and Caiaphas both high priest at the same time. Annas being the father in law of Caiaphas has nothing to do with any Jewish of Mosaic calling to any priesthood authority. the way the priesthood was passed down with Jewish tradition was through lineage not inter-marrying family ties. the fact that Caiaphas was the son in law of Annas but was still allowed to be a high priest proves that Caiaphas was already of proper lineage through his own father not because he married Annas' daughter. the political connection would only be relevant in regards to there popularity in political matters. and that is why it mentions them both because Annas being a more politically influential person sought to engage in nepotism in getting his daughters husband also to be popular in politics. both were legitimately high priests in their own right, but because they were now related through marriage they sough to gain political influence together. It's not that hard to do some research before spouting off easily refutable ideas. I realize that your audience won't do their own research and therefore will not call you out on things, so you don't feel like you even need to do your own research, but seriously. a little doctrinal honesty and integrity would go a long ways, even though I know it would make for some boring content. please don't let the truth get in the way of a good controversial story.
Is it me or Joseph smith's fruits (life) best describes what a false prophet is?: Matthew 7:15-20 True and False Prophets 15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them
God bless you. Ezekiel 13 New International Version (NIV) False Prophets Condemned 13 The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying. Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination: ‘Hear the word of the Lord! 3 This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Woe to the foolish[a] prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! 4 Your prophets, Israel, are like jackals among ruins. 5 You have not gone up to the breaches in the wall to repair it for the people of Israel so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the Lord. 6 Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. Even though the Lord has not sent them, they say, “The Lord declares,” and expect him to fulfill their words. 7 Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, “The Lord declares,” though I have not spoken? 8 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: Because of your false words and lying visions, I am against you, declares the Sovereign Lord. 9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign Lord. 10 “‘Because they lead my people astray, saying, “Peace,” when there is no peace, and because, when a flimsy wall is built, they cover it with whitewash, 11 therefore tell those who cover it with whitewash that it is going to fall. Rain will come in torrents, and I will send hailstones hurtling down, and violent winds will burst forth. 12 When the wall collapses, will people not ask you, “Where is the whitewash you covered it with?” 13 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: In my wrath I will unleash a violent wind, and in my anger hailstones and torrents of rain will fall with destructive fury. 14 I will tear down the wall you have covered with whitewash and will level it to the ground so that its foundation will be laid bare. When it[b] falls, you will be destroyed in it; and you will know that I am the Lord. 15 So I will pour out my wrath against the wall and against those who covered it with whitewash. I will say to you, “The wall is gone and so are those who whitewashed it, 16 those prophets of Israel who prophesied to Jerusalem and saw visions of peace for her when there was no peace, declares the Sovereign Lord.”’ 17 “Now, son of man, set your face against the daughters of your people who prophesy out of their own imagination. Prophesy against them 18 and say, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Woe to the women who sew magic charms on all their wrists and make veils of various lengths for their heads in order to ensnare people. Will you ensnare the lives of my people but preserve your own? 19 You have profaned me among my people for a few handfuls of barley and scraps of bread. By lying to my people, who listen to lies, you have killed those who should not have died and have spared those who should not live. 20 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against your magic charms with which you ensnare people like birds and I will tear them from your arms; I will set free the people that you ensnare like birds. 21 I will tear off your veils and save my people from your hands, and they will no longer fall prey to your power. Then you will know that I am the Lord. 22 Because you disheartened the righteous with your lies, when I had brought them no grief, and because you encouraged the wicked not to turn from their evil ways and so save their lives, 23 therefore you will no longer see false visions or practice divination. I will save my people from your hands. And then you will know that I am the Lord.’”
@@pablopablo179 not even a little bit. A man that advocated to free the slaves, before it was politically correct, the only Christian religion to promote blacks as active members at the time, the only religion that gave women callings and authorities in the church at that time. Advocated for living the whole gospel of Christ and not just the parts that people wanted to live. Obeyed what God told him even when people didn't like it. Restored the fullness of the gospel even when the Pharisees of his days and the government fought against him. Promoted works supported faith just like in the Bible and not lackadaisical faith like mainstream Christians. What you see as false Christ would view as finally true. You use mainstream Christianity as your standard when you should be using Christ and the apostles. Like the Pharisees, main stream Christianity has fallen short of and corrupted the true and complete gospel of Christ. And just like Christ in his day, Christ in these last days has restored the fullness of the gospel back to the Earth through prophets and apostles just as he did in days of old. Just as mentioned in Ezekiel Joseph was told to call out the false teachings of the preachers of his day and condemn their false ideas and man-made ideas. While you equate Joseph with the false prophets, but I see him as the true prophet called to undo the corruption and misunderstanding of the false preachers (prophets) of his day. You are welcome to hold to that belief but I assure you that it is only hurting your spirituality and ultimately will hold you back from eternal blessings and heavenly inheritance. It's okay that you don't wish to take upon yourself the necessary responsibilities that come with living the fullness of the gospel. God has still prepared a place in his kingdom for you, it just won't be the highest or best place that he has prepared for those who obey all his teachings that the Lord restored and taught through the prophet Joseph Smith.
Hey, Jessie. Why don't you spend a little time talking about contradictions between the Bible and the Bible? There are every bit as many self-contradictions in the Bible as there are contradictions between the Bible and the Book of Mormon. The only difference is that Christians are just, by definition, right about everything related to religion and have no need for introspective, or to look critically at their own religious beliefs and religious history. No, there is absolutely no need for that: The goal is to be critical of other religions while at the same time imagine that their own religious beliefs are incontrovertible and do not need to be questioned at any level. But it's actually not difficult to figure out that Christianity in general has no more merit than the Mormon church. You just have to willing enough and honest enough to look.
@@binren3984 Maybe the most important difference is that God in the Old Testament is completely different from God in the New Testament. Then there are all kinds of little things, like Mary being a virgin, but Jesus' ancestry being traced through Joseph, who wouldn't be Jesus' father if Mary was a virgin.
@@otisdylan9532 Well, it's been a year since I posted my statement. But I am more than happy to reply to what seems to be Biblical Contradictions. I run into these questions of contradiction while I myself study the scriptures. My suggestion for you would be like a skeptic reporter in a sense when you run into contradiction and asked WHY and What is the text trying to communicate. The Bible has stood the test of time of all skeptics since the beginning of time itself. There is nothing new under the sun. I not writing this to take an attack side I want you to know that from the start. Your right, quickly looking at the Bible It seems the OT God is not the same as the NT God. That's a position that the Jews take that Jesus was not the Son of God. I don't take that position cause I believe the NT actually fulfilled OT prophecy and I believe what this old book says that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God. He's our Lord and Saviour. That comes with serious study no matter what position you take. I understand your point about the John and Mary. It's a good question . Even though John was of the tribe Judah according to scripture he wasn't the biological father. However, Mary was also of the tribe of Judah. Also this fulfilled prophecy in Genesis 3 :14-15 The Lord God said to the serpent, Because you have done this, cursed are you above all livestock and above all beasts of the field; on your belly you shall go and dust shall you eat all the days of your life. 15) I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring he ( Christ ) shall bruise your head and you shall bruise his (Christ) heel. Christ's crucifixion and resurrection was the prophecy that was fulfilled but not finished in Genesis. That's my take on your concerns. Just to let you know, there's a lot more going on in the Bible that you won't be taught in church which many find very exciting. Take care Peace
@@binren3984 To be clear, my position isn't that because the Bible has contradictions, it therefore has no value. A thing can be quite valuable without being perfect. I think that there are some good things in the Bible, especially in the Gospels. Peace.
The first chapter I Nephi is historically inaccurate. You don't even need to read the whole book to know it is false. Joseph Smith said the Book of Mormon was false. There is one God. 2 Nephi 31:21 “….And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.” One God Alma 11:44 and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil. One God D&C 20:28 Which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God, infinite and eternal, without end. Amen. One God Mormon 7:7 And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end. There are three Gods. Joseph Smith contradicted the Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith said the Trinity is three gods. "I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods," (Teachings of Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370). Remember, not even Joseph Smith believed the Book of Mormon was true.
@@fayelewis5476 read Doctrine and covenants section 87 1-5 keep in mind this came out 20 years before. You can also look it up on the Internet. Prove me wrong 😑
@@frankleilua9124 I have shown two of hundreds of reasons that the Book of Mormon is false. Also, the later teachings of Joseph Smith contradicted the Book of Mormon, as I have shown you. The D&C contradicts the Book of Mormon.
5:40 you separate your children by separating them when fighting do you not, and if where possible when gone how would you separate them from each other. Is it not by giving them signs or some type of guidance in keeping them away from each other, why do you not say I'm a hypocrite and understand that the book of Mormon teaches parents correct doctrines to live by.
You really should not be reading The book of Mormons! Because a that book is full lies and another thing it is written by a false prophet everything you heard and seeing about the book of Mormon is lies the Mormons are not even Christians check this out.www.hurley-law.com/church-of-jesus-christ-sexual-abuse-counsel/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwkZiFBhD9ARIsAGxFX8CtblpsjhZrCiEahYF2CpYJ3Pie_z6DFxQSWXlB2vZLy6PYIpc4qKMaAiarEALw_wcB
@@bjbanisin6513 may i ask if that organization (including boys scouts of america) goal is to support victims of mormon abuse why did they gave an award to Thomas Monson( a leader of the church) ?
1-Sorry but on children baptism and sin, I stick with the BOM, there are plenly of evidence in the New Testament that indicates that baptism is for repentance and children are not accoutable before God. Adam and Eve experienced the natural consequences of partaking of the fruit which includes the knowledge of good and evil, 2- "9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.(Genesis2:9) Adam and Eve didn't have the knowledge when God commanded them to multiply, intimacy was not wired in their brain and body prior to the fall so they had to partake of the fruit FIRST in order to obey the commandment of multiplying. 3- You are absolutley right, black people are not cursed and is not a sign of curse from God. 4- The BOM does teach pretty consistently that it is by GRACE that we are saved, this phrase where Nephi says that it is by grace after all we can do is misunderstood, he means that after all it is grace that saves us, it does't mean that we have to do all we can first in order to receive grace and be saved , it means that no matter what we do it is grace that saves us. In 2 Nephi 10:24 it becomes more clear that Nephi understood this principle very well. "24 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, reconcile yourselves to the will of God, and not to the will of the devil and the flesh; and remember, after ye are reconciled unto god, THAT IT IS ONLY IN AND THROUGH THE GRACE OF GOD THAT YE ARE SAVED. (In this verse he states that even after you repented and reconciled to God it is still the grace of God and none of your doing that saves you) 5- Jesus quoted from the Old Testment but it would be naive to think that nothing was changed or altered over the last 2 thousand years and not to mention the dozens of translations that it went through. Nephi is not vouchering for the LDS church, all he is doing is warning the Gentiles in our time about the errors in the Bible. 6 I believe that Samuel meant the whole land where they lived not the whole planet, but that argument cannot be won by Mormons because it does say the whole earth. So that is fine with me if you think it is a contradiction.Zenos' prophecy in 1st Nephi especifically tells that this darkness is only given to those who inhabit the Isles of the Sea and not other parts of the world.
Baptism is neither for repentance or for infants. Baptism is an outward obedience to God after receiving Christ through Biblical Salvation. It is for one who is old enough and mature enough to accept Christ through faith and then to obey Him in getting baptized. "Buried in the likeness of His death and raised to walk in newness of life."
Avenged- Sevenfold. 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. ( Luke 24) According to the Bible, before, during and after and until his second coming. Baptism is for repentance! This doctrine is all over the New Testament
@@FFM115 You are not fully getting the 2 Nephi... the context is that of a man living the mosaic law and knows he can't fullfil it and will be saved by grace after all he can do to live the law, because he was commanded to live the law. you have to continue on and read though verse 27 or 28 to get the full context.
Reciting from a hate website. Perhaps she should do some original research. Example: 2 Nephi 5:21 speaks only of a particular group of people in a specific context. It has not mention of an entire nation, but only a group of rebellious people in ancient America. That alone disqualifies the presenter. She is merely parroting false ideas.
The Book of Mormon is false starting with page one. I Nephi 1, 600 B.C., has a prophecy concerning the destruction of Jerusalem. If you know anything about the history of the nation of Israel, you will know that Jerusalem was already under siege in 600 B.C.. In fact, the first deportation had already occurred six years prior. 606 B.C.. Also, I Nephi 1, talks about the language of 'Reformed Egyptian,' a language that has never existed. (Egyptians speak Arabic.) The Jews would not be speaking any 'Egyptian' the language of their captors from hundreds of years prior. ********** Imagine finding gold plates written in 600 B.C. with the Gettysburg Address in them? Now imagine gold plates from 600 B.C with word for word quotes from people who hadn't even been born yet? Pretty amazing! *** The Book of Acts records the apostle Peter paraphrasing Moses (Deut. 18:18-19) during his sermon at Pentecost. This happened around 60 A.D. In the Book of Mormon, around 580 B.C., Nephi claims to also quote from Moses, but instead he quotes Peter's paraphrasing of Moses verbatim, 640 years before Peter gave his sermon. *** Apostle Peter (60 A.D.) Holy Bible For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. - Acts 3:22-23 Book of Mormon 580 B.C. ...the words of Moses, which he spake, saying: A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass that all those who will not hear that prophet shall be cut off from among the people. - 1 Nephi 22:20 ***************** Alma chapter 5 plagiarizes John the Baptist about 80 years before he was born. John the Baptist (30 A.D.) Holy Bible And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. - Matthew 3:10 Book of Mormon 83 B.C. And again I say unto you, the Spirit saith: Behold, the ax is laid at the root of the tree; therefore every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit shall be hewn down and cast into the fire... - Alma 5:52 ********************** Mosiah chapter 16 plagiarizes the apostle Paul 200 years before he wrote his firsts epistle to the church at Corinth. Apostle Paul (55 A.D.) Holy Bible For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 1 Corinthians 15:53 Book of Mormon 148 B.C. Even this mortal shall put on immortality, and this corruption shall put on incorruption... - Mosiah 16:10 ************************* 2 Nephi plagiarizes the apostle Paul 600 years before he wrote his epistle to the church at Rome. Apostle Paul (68 A.D.) Holy Bible For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. - Romans 8:6 Book of Mormon 555 B. C. ...to be carnally-minded is death, and to be spiritually-minded is life eternal. - 2 Nephi 9:39
And jessie ask them why was it dark for three hours when Jesus was on the cross they couldn't even tell you ( This is why Psalm 18:4 -12, The Father came down
2:50 that psalm scripture of being born with sin is not the same as having tendencies to commit sin or evil. yet justice can not claim them, because a willingness to belong to the devil is not in them. You on the other hand have experience with sin and with self-willing desire to follow the devils promptings otherwise you would not even consider contradicting what the lord says on behalf of children.
Dusty Miller one book was a poorly written “addition” to the Bible. The other is a well kept, well studied, history book. I’ll let you figure it out yourself.
One is very historically accurate and doesn't contradict itself and the other is just completely false. You seem smart so I'll let you figure that out. Do your homework.
you are correct that lehi was not from the tribe of levi and did not hold the levitical priesthood. he was ordained as was Jeremiah, daniel, and other contemporaries to the Melchizedek priesthood, which gives them the authority to officiate in the ordinances of the law of moses.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
All by the Grace of CHRIST.
Hey it's the dude I follow on TikTok
Theology Tea. Thank you for quoting scriptures used by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We believe.
By the Grace of God not by our works
Oh, for heaven’s sake. Try to be an original thinker rather than a spouter of clichés
As a EX Mormon bible believing trusting born again Christian you are cutting down lies with the sword of truth on this channel thank you for keeping it direct and loving to the LDS people.
I really hope that you left the LDS and I hope that you fully repented it came to Jesus Christ and that you're no longer in that cult!
You are believing a demon.
Read this:
Mathew 19:14 (NIV)
Jesus said “the kingdom of Heaven belongs to the little children.
i know it is kinda off topic but do anybody know a good website to watch new series online?
You capitalize Christian, but not the (b)ible?
@@downbntout oh my..puhjeebers...watch out
The serpent told the human race that disobeying God was the only way to realize their fullest happiness and potential, and this delusion has sunk deep into every human heart. Tim Keller
What was the forbidden fruit
so Adam was fooled and now we are all born with evil? What father would do what God has done to errant children, dam them with eternal suffering. That's pretty strict.
Actually the bible really does not say any human will be tortured eternally. Everyone dies. They're dead until the resurrection. Hell is translated from 5 different words meaning different things. The lake of fire can't be thrown into the lake of fire. Death is the end. The holy spirit is what breathes life intocreation. If we believe in an eternal punishing of a live soul we are saying Gods spirit is going to be keeping people Alive for eternity in hell? No. Only jesus can make us eternal. Nothing else. We are not immortal unless jesus gives us eternal life and salvation. The dead will be raised and we will all be judged. The bible says the dead know nothing. Also the wages of sin is death not immortality in hell. Google all this it is true all in the bible.
The bible says that God alone has immortality
Hell as we know it Is a pagan and Greek mythology. Google Hel. It is a goddess. None o that is In the bible
Without a context many things can appear contradictory. A discussion can be skewed in any direction.
You’re right. Joseph Smith did that at every turn, deceiving many.
@@AString95 And you are entitled to your opinion
@Headless Horseman
I guess that I am really bowled over by the logic and strength of your argument, that I guess that I will change my faith and follow Jesus. What did Jesus say? "He that believeth and is baptised shall be saved." Does that not contradict the Evangelical Christian biblical interpretation from the 1960's? Which one am I supposed to believe: the words of Jesus Christ or the Evangelical Christian biblical interpretation from the 1960's?
Oh about the Book of Mormon validation, maybe you should get in touch with more current facts.
here is a good one to listen to:-
Book of Mormon evidence they didn't tell you about
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I would be interested to know what way God's words are written? I thought it was delivered through prophets and not for private interpretation.
If you listen to Bart Erhman, the supposed definition of the Trinity was not a 1st century Christian teaching.
Please correct me if I am wrong with your knowledge of the scriptures and the whole process of transmission of the scriptures of our day.
Can you please identify the prophet who sanctioned this, as God is the same, yesterday, today and tomorrow: "Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secrets unto his servants the prophets."
So if it wasnt a biblical teaching from the prophets, who came up with the idea, and who endorsed it? Oh was that a minority group who had wealth and political power? Who backed that up? Oh Constantine a wife killing, child killing murderous pagan Sun worshipper: I don't mean the Son of God either. Obviously a prophet who had authority to make such a declaration
Can you explain to me John 1, in the beginning of what? Is this a relative or absolute beginning?
I look forward to hearing from you.
Yes, it would be just as easy to make a video about contradictions within The Bible.
We are saved by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ. No works involved. It's heartbreaking to see these demonic cults (and that's exactly what they are) such as the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses preaching otherwise. Salvation is a perfectly free gift.
Robin Sk how do you justify what James says about faith? You know, without works it is dead.
Shaun Butterfield we are saved by faith, faith is the desire for a relationship with God and that he will save you from your sins through his son. Jesus saves you through faith and faith alone but true faith and passion for a relationship with God will bring about works. Do not mix up cause and effect
Brado M I wasn’t mixing up anything. We are saved by grace but we are also told to be perfect, we are told nobody can enter the kingdom of heaven but he that does the father’s will. Paul said the law (works) doesn’t save anybody because the audience hadn’t given up the law of Moses. You want to speak of cause and effect? Newsflash, accepting Jesus Christ is a work. 🤔. We are saved by grace only because we don’t have the ability to save ourselves. Salvation from death is free but eternal life requires sacrifice and good works, then his grace is sufficient. Mathew 5:48 be ye therefore perfect. That requires work. Again, accepting Jesus is a work. People that don’t believe in Jesus will be saved from death. Your claims are wrong and not scriptural. Faith without works is dead, The devils believe and tremble. They haven’t accepted Jesus. Again, a work.
@@greasyhandsauto-shaunbutte9726 Works are evidence of our commitment to God and of His changing of our hearts. It is not a way of earning a place in Heaven, but rather evidence of a change of heart through faith in Jesus Christ.
Anthony Lambson I know we are saved by grace. There is no other way period. But to say we don’t need to do all we can, is complete blasphemy. We need to do good works. Isn’t accepting Jesus a good work? He does not want us to be idle. He wants us to produce fruits. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints does not nor, has ever taught anything other than being saved by grace. We know we can’t save ourselves. We believe in good works but frankly don’t you? Jesse really needs to read The Book of Mormon if, she is going to criticize it. It’s obvious by some of he comments, that she either hasn’t read it or, doesn’t understand what is says.
Also they believe in marriage in heaven and clearly Christ says there will be no marriage in heaven
They don't believe in heaven or hell they have no contradict even though Smith did have a heaven and hell but he kept contradicting himself and the later presidents kept making up things against hell they're out of Darkness or prison or Paradise s*** contradicts that all that s*** because those are basically references to hell and only pieces of it are the places of Heaven and Hell
Even their bom fraud was is correct compared to all their Antichrist fraud because it believes that heaven and hell and they believe it on a real God just as the Bible does etc and they believe in a trinity more so than anyone can make a trinity out of the Bible it's a extreme modalist Trinity and that's what even the more they're bom fraud they still believe in a trinity but an upside down satanic broken corrupted false Trinity that's upside down.
Where? If your talking about when the Pharisees asked what happens if a women married all 7 brothers, Jesus never said anything that the marriage won't exist in heaven
@@Robert-rw5lm Yes it is that passage, and yes he does say that. "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven." Matthew 22:30. He may not specifcally use the word heaven, but "the resurrection" is another phrase used to refer to heaven.
That is what I was going to say , they are false prophet.
Little children are capable of sin, just not accountable until they fully understand right and wrong.
Agreed that this is Biblical. But there isn't a magic age to this, like the LDS believe when they baptize 8 year olds who are all of a sudden held accountable for their sins.
@@itsmejessie why did you leave the ark to join the evangelicals in the flood?
it just shows that Joseph Smith was the one who wrote the book of Mormon and didn't really read the old testament...
I didn't know anything about Mormon until I moved to Utah! I spent a year studying and going to the church. They were very convincing! They were upset that I went to the church for a year, took three missionary studies, and never joined! I finally told them to leave me alone. I found out later that they put me on an x list. Know what that is? Anyways? I've commented before and love that, you have done so much work! You are beautiful on the outside but, more so, on the inside! Thank you!
no such thing as an X list. seek a therapist.
@@michaelparks5669its more like a "do not contact" list, its more so the church can remember not to bother those saying "leave me alone"
You're better off being on that list.
I'm not defending anything but to me it makes sense that if you have faith in jesus you will follow and believe his words and teachings and commands , so to me it makes sense that works is part of your faith
Hey, you are definitely correct in saying it has a place. Just not in salvation. In fact, James says faith without works is dead. He is speaking as a man who eventually dies for the Gospel. He is saying that if you do not follow Jesus in your actions you are an ineffective Christian. James 1:24 says, if you follow the law you will be blessed. Good works are the fruit of salvation not the root of salvation. Isaiah 64:6, Ephesians 2:1-10
You don't do works for salvation, you do works for rewards.
This is where so many evangelists miss the point.
Yes, salvation is a free gift, but we work for rewards.
@@adamgoodword7888 ididnt say you do works for salvation, isaid works is part of your faith if you follow the teachings of Jesus , atleast to me ,
@@JJ-ck1vg I know this is a really old comment- but I wanted to reply for anybody else who might see.
You are correct, works is a part of your faith in Christianity. The book of James talks about this. But the key difference here is that as a Christian we believe we are saved (given salvation) by Christ alone and it's a gift from God. Whereas Mormonism teaches that you are only saved IF you do good works. As if you can "earn your way into heaven" by doing 'good' things.
Which ironically is exactly what Jesus criticised the Pharisees for. Prioritising their laws and supposedly good works over their faith. The reality is that its through grace and grace alone that we are saved. Which is only available to us when we accept Jesus into our lives.
Hi! Thanks for making this awesome video.
I'm a non-denominational Christian who doesn't know too much about Mormonism.
All I've done up to this point was read Unveiling Grace by Lynn Wild and called it good.
However, I have a friend who is reading through the Book of Mormon and meeting up with Mormon Missionaries.
While he is a smart man, I felt like this was a challenge he shouldn't be walking alone.
So now I'm reading through the book of Mormon. Haha
While after reading through 1 Nephi I felt even more convinced that Mormonism was false, it was not to the depth that you explained here.
I would've never thought about the importance of the Tribe of Aaron! I feel like I'm appreciating parts of my belief like never before.
Keep up the good work!
mormons have had 200 years in which to finesse their approach to christians. they know their game plan.
they use the book of mormon in their conversion process. they use it but they do not believe it. there are no distinctive mormon beliefs in the book of mormon. the main thing about the book of mormon is that it gets people out of the bible and into a false gospel.
to see how the mormon scriptures contradict themselves klik: www.utlm.org/onlineresources/contradictionsinldsscriptures.htm
Amen brother. Im witnessing to about 5 of them this Friday and ive taken about 40 pages of notes lol. I asked God for wisdom and He has put it in my heart to give them truth. And through that, ive been given so much wisdom. Thank you for this video! The tribe of Aaron is definitely something to point out. Especially since it is in the Torah so they cant assume it has been changed over and over. God bless!
Mark Twain, the Father of American Literature, was no fool. Search the internet and read his critique of the Book of Mormon.
Twain quickly recognized it as fiction, referring to it as inferior literary, plagiarism from the King James Bible, and miraculous, that is, miraculous that Joe Smith did not fall asleep while writing it.
Isn't it amazing that highly educated professors and scholars at BYU, a prestigious university, cannot see the scam that Mark Twain recognized quickly?
@@footsoldier1188 Amazing!
I am in the same place. I'm almost 15, and me and a close brother in Christ are witnessing to close to 15 LDS members regularly. You can never be too prepared. God bless and good luck!
What does the Bible teach about a newborn child or baby?
1. They know nothing in their childhood state (Deuteronomy 1:39).
2. There is a stage when children do not know the good or the bad (Isa 7:16).
3. Of children is the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 18: 1-5).
4. But Jesus said: Let the children come to me, and do not stop them; for such is the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 19: 13-15).
DxSw funny you brought up let the children come to me. Except if their parents are LGBTQ. OH the Mormon god the false Q15
Change their minds
Your church has a funny god . He's changing his mind a lot. Flip Flop the always changing Mormon god. That is not My God
My God is the Almighty God
Thank you for loving the Mormon people enough to take the time to research and show the difference. My wife's parents are mormons and they are good people who are bewitched by this false gospel. Please pray for them. I believe we all came to Jesus through someone praying for us to be drawn to Him. And by someone telling us the truth. I will be praying for you as Im sure you will be attacked for telling the truth. Jesus said anyone who wants to live a godly life will be persecuted for it. I believe that the U.S. is one of the hardest places on earth to be a true christian. Very few will stand for truth especially if it cost something. May Gods grace and peace be with you
Alan Alsup aside from the Christian Syrians being murdered in their country for being Christian.
@@ObscurasCozyCult I know what you mean we have many brothers and sisters being hurt in many ways but I believe their battle line is clear. In the US and western christianity lots claim to be Christian but few live like it lots of deceived people. When the church of Christ in the west starts being persecuted I dont imagine megachurchs will still be around. The Open Doors Ministry is helping persecuted Christians right now and we need to be praying and helping if we can. Thank you for thinking of our Syrian family I hope this clears up what I meant
I wonder why she doesnt love atheist and muslims just as much
Its encumbent upon ALL Christians to expose the works of darkness, to call people out of religion, to lead them back to the Lord.
It's not about loving the Mormon people but exposing ALL religions and calling people to turn back to Jesus.
So you believe Christ created multiple churches to conflict with eachother? Even though Christ says the spirit of contention is not of him, but of the devil? Catholicism is the root of most so called "Christian" churches. Catholics killed Christians. Romans did too. Romans killed Christ!
The Book of Mormon contradicts every central doctrine of the Bible. The Divine Nature of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit (the Trinity), being saved by grace through faith not of works, the Virgin birth of Jesus Christ, the Deity of Jesus Christ, Mormons teach that one day they can become god's in which God Himself says you can't in ISAIAH 43:10, 45:5, Mormons believe that God is a man, again the Bible doesn't teach this.
Mormons teach that the angel Moroni came down from heaven and gave Joseph Smith the Book of Mormon. Let's hear what God Himself says about this in:
GALATIANS 1:6-9
"I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who CALLED you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed..."
There you are Mormons, God Himself telling you that He did not send any angel from heaven to Joseph Smith.
Some of these points were good others were sort of weak:
1. Little children cannot sin.
2. Adam and Eve's sin.
3. Black skin = curse.
4. Saved after all we can do.
5. Plain and precious truths lost.
6. Darkness over the earth.
7. No Levite priests.
8. Many High Priests.
9. Multiple temples.
10. Old Testament worship references missing.
#1 This one was pretty weak in my opinion first because the counter Bible verse comes from Psalms which were written by King David. We don't know that his opinion is necessarily accurate. Similar to how Paul gives his opinion on some things, but makes sure to point out when he is quoting the Lord. But even setting that aside, the Moroni 8:8 is given in the context of Christ having already come and that children are made whole through Christ. The Old Testament reference isn't comparable because it comes from before Christ.
#2 This one doesn't seem like a contradiction and more like the Book of Mormon filling in missing information. As you said "there is no biblical support" for this position, but that doesn't make it a contradiction.
#3 The Bible contains reference to someone's skin becoming black as a result of being cursed. Job 30:30. The Bible also contains plenty accounts of favoritism especially in the Old Testament.
#4 Yeah, this one is pretty weird.
#5 The Bible as a whole has survived relatively intact since it was completed. I think the bigger problem lies in the compilation process of the Bible. Highly regarded books during the time of Christ, such as the Book of Enoch(which is quoted in the New Testament), did not make it into the canon of most Bibles. Meanwhile we also have the addition of such stories as the woman taken in adultery, which is not present in the original texts. This passage from the Book of Mormon text would be more accurate if it was understood to mean texts left out of the Bible during the compilation process rather than truths lost from the Bible after it was completed. Though the masoretic and Septuagint derived texts are not without their errors.
#6 This one is pretty weak. We have multiple times when there are other examples of when the phrase "whole earth" is used to mean the region round about. For example Exodus 10:15.
#7 - #10 These ones are the strongest points in my opinion.
I love it when people think for themselves not just regurgitate someone else's school of thought good job !
@Avenged- Sevenfold Your points bring up exactly why I thought #1 was weak., because it referenced one verse from Psalms. The references you provided give a much stronger argument.
@@MichaelEllisYT I agree that the scripture shared by Avenged made the argument much stronger. There is always an enormous list of Scripture to quote for every single point in all my videos but I have to keep the videos at a length where I'm not going to lose my audience. The verse I mentioned was strong enough in that it said exactly what the Bible teaches. But yes, amazing additional Scripture shared by Avenged.
@Avenged- Sevenfold Love your comment and additional verses shared. Thank you!
The Psalms were written by David as he was moved by the Holy Ghost, it was not just his opinion.
That sounds like an attack on Biblical inspiration.
And now, my beloved brethren, and also Jew, and all ye ends of the earth, hearken unto these words and believe in Christ; and if ye believe not in these words believe in Christ. And if ye shall believe in Christ ye will believe in these words, for they are the words of Christ, and he hath given them unto me; and they teach all men that they should do good.
Second Nephi 33:10
Which Christ? The brother of Lucifer or the true Christ who is an uncreated being, who has always existed with God the Father from all eternity?
@@fayelewis5476 what religion believes Christ wasn't created and has existed with God since the beginning? An honest question, I have not heard of that before.
@@elijahwillardson7371 Christianity teaches that Christ is an uncreated being, who has always existed with God the Father from all eternity. He took on human flesh 2,000 years ago.
Jesus Christ existed before Lucifer.
John 17:5 Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
Jesus was born in Bethlehem, but he existed from eternity.
Micah 5:2 “But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity.”
John the Baptist, who was six months older than Jesus, said Jesus existed before he did.
John 1 John testified about Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’”
Jesus Created Lucifer
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 Christ was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14 And the Word (Christ) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Col. 1:16 For by Jesus all things were created in heaven and on earth, [things] visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities; all things were created and exist through Him and for Him.
You've probably heard of it this way.
Merry Christmas!
Matthew 1:23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child and shall bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which translated means, “God with us.”
Matthew 2:11
And going into the house they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.
Why were grown men worshiping a toddler? We are to only worship God.
Wasn't it Mark Twain who called the "Book of Mormon" chloroform in print? Got to give Christians a lot of credit for helping Mormons to repent.
I believe he did say that, yes! 😄
I love Mark Twain
But I wouldn’t believe anyone with a hairstyle or mustache like he had !
Lol
If Christ were here there is one thing he would not be--a Christian.
- Mark Twain's Notebook
Christianity will doubtless still survive in the earth ten centuries hence--stuffed and in a museum.
- Notebook, 1898
Amen and amen!
Exodus 19:5-6 explains her misunderstanding about how Lehi could have had the priesthood. In speaking to all of the tribes of Israel the Lord says that He would that they all be a nation of Priest, and not just the Levites. The Levites were also only given the Aaronic priesthood, which facilitated their authority to perform ordinances. but we know that some if not all of the prophets throughout the Bible were given the Melchizedek priesthood. this is a higher priesthood, but did not disallow for the performing of ordinances. Melchizedek Himself offered sacrifices in Gen 14. Alma 5:44, 13:1-18, 43:1-2, and 2 Nephi 6:2 all explain that the priesthood which Lehi had was in fact the Melchizedek priesthood, or the priesthood after the holy order of God (Heb. 7:8-25). Aaronic priests are called according to the lesser law of Moses, while the Melchizedek Priests are called according to the higher law of Christ.
That was a simple enough point to debunk, the rest may take much more to explain. It's easy to cite two passages and then explain how you think they contradict each other, but much more involving to explain their full context, and doctrines. hence why so many flock to these garbage videos because they think they war getting truth from the shallow and uninspired rhetoric of uneducated people, and since it takes far more to undo the damage then to do the damage in the first place, many don't even bother debunking this crap. it is no wonder that the Lord hides His plain and precious truths in parables and stories and requires actual study and searching to find answers to important questions, because the swine and dogs do nothing but destroy and mock the pearls of His truths.
Right on! I noticed Jessie seemed happy that she found contradictions. (Seek and ye shall find) most of these can be explained by assuming the Bible contains everything we need to know on any topic it includes. Or it's a misunderstanding of perspective. You're right it would take a while to unravel the contradictions but who really wants to know?
Thank you It's Me Jessie. I'm glad you tubers like you are exposing Mormonism with its false claims and teachings.
Ex-Mormon since last December!
@@Raze120 thanks
Make my day !!
Praise God! Am I assuming correctly your relation to Spencer?
Praise the Lord!!! SUCH encouragement to hear!!! Made my day!! Welcome to the family ❤️🙏!!!
@@solangesmusic.1877 No, actually I never found him in my ansestory family tree So I couldn't of been related. But I did get asked a lot in the church if I was related to him since I have the same last name spelled the same.
If anyone wanting to become an LDS or "questioning" would just merely read a book by Ethan Smith, 'View of the Hebrews' (no relation to the liar Joseph Smith) and see how it's written with the ideas and describes stuff JUST LIKE Joseph Smith did (AFTER Ethan's book came out first, 7 years BEFORE the Book of Mormon). Here's is a link to an online copy of Ethan's book: archive.org/details/ViewOfTheHebrews1823EthanSmith/page/n5. Also, down this page: 20truths.info/mormon/plagiarism.html a chart showing very similar talking points that go WAY BEYOND what is needed by even an unlearned man to see that the BOM is a copy of ideas from Ethan's book, not to mention the Bible.
David Stiles ..and then JS produced the entire book of Mormon in under 3 months. Without referring to notes or doing rewrites. You may want to do a little more research before giving him so much credit. Or at least come up with a more complete theory. Maybe a "conspiracy theory"? A team of writers and co-conspirators?
@@charlesoliphant8905 or dumbass or he basically had the same stuff not just from Ethan Smith's own points but also from other people the same stuff making the same lies and it wasn't three months dummy and took him several years and we know he did this if you bother to actually look at it this live 3 months has been fabricated and truth it took him several years at least 3 to 4 years to get all the stuff together and he had an Open Bible too as well as Miss quotes and corruption errors as well as run on sentences and other stuff he was using Ethan Smith's own stuff as well as spaldings work as well as the war of the of the US the last war etc.
@@charlesoliphant8905 he uses on satanic imagination to attend Smith was very good at speaking if you check the longest piece of Alma which is Alma it's so terribly written too
@@charlesoliphant8905 you morons are so ignorant because you don't like the fact that auntie moronism exposes you because it gives real Christ truth other truth and lots of truth that overexposes you 100 million times over
hahaha why are you lying? this was refuted loooong ago.
Only Levites that were from the lineage of Aaron were aloud to hold the priesthood this is fact. Also like Jessie said only ONE temple is was allowed, that HAD to be in Jerusalem according to the law, thats why when Daniel was in captivity, or whenever the children of Israel were in captivity they prayed towards Jerusalem, as they knew that was the place the Most High ordained as holy. That never changed throughout the BC period, and even christ said that he didn't come to change the law but to fulfil, meaning that he came not only as the lamb for mankind, but to stop the children of Israel abusing carnal sacrifices, so that without true love for the father and worship through the son no one could to enter the kingdom of heaven.
Well said.
Since you know more and better about my church, The Church Of Jesus Christ, is it OK with you if I give up my faith in God and become an atheist? I came to faith through the Book of Mormon and it was Confirmed by The Holy Spirit. Will you accept responsibility for me abandoning my faith?
You don't have faith in God. You can't abandon something you don't have.
You worship an exalted man. It's called idolatry.
God used to be a man on another planet, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 345; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333).
"The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s . . . " (D&C 130:22).
The true and living God the Father was never once a man. He is an uncreated being. The true and living God has always existed. He is the first, uncaused cause of everything you see.
He lives outside of time, space and matter because He created time, space and matter. He is self-existent. He has no mother or father, does not need air, food, water, sex, sleep, shelter, clothing, etc..
He is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, immutable, transcendent, infinitely holy, eternal and so much more. The highest heavens cannot contain Him.
The true and living God created Adam out of the dust of the ground. No wife needed. No pre existence.
Why don't you worship the true and living God?
@@strongtower9237 I have faith in a personal and loving God, in whose image I was created. However I don't believe in your interpretation of scripture. Your trinitarian 3 in 1 dogma makes no sense. All LDS stand with Sir Issac Newton in rejecting the Trinity.
@@billstevens937 The moment you die it will not matter what Isaac Newton or Joseph Smith or any pastor, preacher, priest, pope, bishop, elder, etc. has said. It will only matter what God has said.
My interpretation means nothing. God the Father is not a man.
Job 9:32 “In truth I know that this is so; But how can a man be in the right [b]before God? “For He is not a man as I am that I may answer Him, That we may go to court together.
"God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." - John 4:24
"A spirit does not have flesh and bones" - Luke 24:39
I Timothy 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.
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Having the “image” or “likeness” of God means, in the simplest terms, that we were made to resemble God. Adam did not resemble God in the sense of God’s having flesh and blood. Scripture says that “God is spirit” (John 4:24) and therefore exists without a body. However, Adam’s body did mirror the life of God insofar as it was created in perfect health and was not subject to death.
The image of God (Latin: imago dei) refers to the immaterial part of humanity. It sets human beings apart from the animal world, fits them for the dominion God intended them to have over the earth (Genesis 1:28), and enables them to commune with their Maker. It is a likeness mentally, morally, and socially.
@@strongtower9237 Look, I get it that you don't get it! Your trinty
dogma cannot be found in the Old or New Testament. Also your bigotry and ignorance is quite revealing..... Thank you for sharing!
@@billstevens937 Merry Christmas!
Matthew 1:23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child and shall bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which translated means, “God with us.”
John 10:33 The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.”
John 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Col. 2:9 For in Jesus dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Even God called Jesus, God.
Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son He says,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.
Jesus is 100% God and 100% man. As a man, Jesus ate, thirsted, slept, wept, prayed to God and died. As God, Jesus rebuked Satan, forgave sin, performed miracles, accepted worship from the people, raised the dead and even raised himself from the dead. John 2:19 It is called the hypostatic union.
Jesus said your sins would not be forgiven if you did not believe He was God.
John 8:19 So they were saying to Him, “Where is Your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father; if you knew Me, you would know My Father also.”
24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”
Ephesians 2:3; ‘...and were BY NATURE children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.’
I read the Book of Mormon and the Bible both, and I see a perfect unity between the two.
Some people just don't bother to check the proper context, and would rather listen to what the antiLDS, and exLDS have to say about the subject which is ridiculous.
@@fruit-bearingnationproduct1231 non sequitur... as if ONLY LDS can have the truth
"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent."
- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255
@@bigtobacco1098 and yet the Antichrist more on Colt is the horror Babylon and is Babylon alone and it works screaming it so well they're antichristic loosepheric lie doing evil against dead people hell of Babylon being like a god hell of Babylon sporting a fake scraptor and nothing to do with the Americas and his alien and is of Satan Smith won't imagination or Babylon and even more so way way more so the more cult is losing members left and right cuz they woke up and saw the truth and came to the real Christ and other stuff so the more on Antichrist cold is dying because they're being exposed the 17th presidents and the other ones contradict each other in hellish standards extreme evil
Ex Mormon for Jesus here🙏
What would you say is
Good advice when trying to show the gospel of Jesus Christ to a current Mormon ?
@@coreybrackett9194 tell em to read the book of John :)
Praise Jesus!! More being saved !!🙌🏾❤️
Proverbs 30:6
"Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar."
Hmmmm....Joseph Smith?
Soooooooo... you do not believe that any of the other books added to the Bible after the book of Proverbs including the New Testament are really His word? Got it.
@Avenged- Sevenfold Avenged-Sevenfold, but... i don't want to get “nitpicky” about it. I sense you are expressing your own desires more than mine perhaps? ; ) My comment was a rather broad reference. A couple of questions...
- Why did you say “dodge this”?
- Who is Joey???
@Avenged- Sevenfold Well, I am still confused about your “dodge this” comment as I see nothing in your remarks that would require “dodging”. What I do see in your comment is some faulty assumptions stacked on top of incorrect presuppositions.
For starters the prophet Joseph Smith did NOT, I repeat, did NOT make any changes or revisions to the King James Version of the Bible in the way you have claimed in your comment. Your understanding of the issues at hand has been victimized by critics who always try to spin things in the worst possible ways rather than providing genuine understanding of the issues at hand. The King James Version(KJV) of the Bible that LDS Christians use is EXACTLY the same as the KJV of the Bible that sectarian Christians use. Your comments make it sound like the KJV of the Bible that LDS Christians use is somehow different from the KJV of the Bible that creedal Christians use- when that is just not the case at all. What the Prophet Joseph Smith did do is use the KJV of the Bible as a springboard to form what is referred to as the “Joseph Smith Translation” (Referred to here on as JST). The JST is not canonized Scripture for Latter-day Saints, JST Genesis 1-6 and Mathew 24, which are both found in The Pearl of Great Price excepted. The JST is not the LDS version of the Bible. The King James Version of the Bible is- and it always has been. It is the KJV of the Bible that is part of our official canon of Scripture or what is sometimes referred to as “The Standard Works” of the Church including the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants and Pearl of Great Price.
So where does the JST fit in? In 1828 the word “translation” had a much broader meaning than it does today. The Joseph Smith “Translation” should be understood as supplemental to our canon of Scripture and contains a variety of elements such as additional revelation, alternate readings, prophetic commentary or midrash, harmonization, clarification and corrections OF the original as well as corrections TO the original. It is not my understanding that non-LDS Christians believe that EVERY passage of scripture has only one specific precise correct meaning identically applied in all contexts. Such a straightjacketed approach would be absurd. The Prophet Joseph Smith often saw more than one meaning in a passage and brought many of these explicitly to our attention by means of the JST. However, the existence of a JST variant reading for a passage ought NOT to imply that the KJV is “incorrect” in the purest sense of the term, since the Book of Mormon and Doctrine & Covenants sometimes agree with the KJV rather than the JST. We simply require a more mature, sophisticated and enlightened understanding to grasp the Prophets intent with the JST than is ever provided by critics of the Church- or what we see in your pseudo-confident comment that somehow requires “dodging”. Of course we as LDS Christians believe the JST is “inspired”, but that is not the same thing as saying it always restores the original “texts” of the biblical books. There is more going on here than that. By the way, if the Prophet Joseph Smith wanted to change or rewrite Scripture he certainly could have as Biblical prophets often changed or rewrote Scripture- but that is not the Prophets core concern or issue with the JST.
As LDS Christians we are not obsessed with “text” in the way our fellow evangelical brothers and sisters are. As LDS Christians we are not bound by “sola-scriptura”- nor do we adhere to an “inerrant” view of Scripture as many Evangelicals are famous for. We see these approaches as being what largely well intended men do when they are without access to living oracles of God. What matters for LDS Christians and for Joseph Smith as well as all biblical prophets is not the text itself but the pure revelation that is driving the text. This is a key difference. LDS Christians sometimes get the impression that if Evanglicals Christians believed there really was a true Prophet of God on the earth today that they would sort of hover around the Prophet waiting for him to write something down. Then when the Prophet did write something down they would take the text and run off with it to some secluded spot to hyper-analyze and study the “text” instead of just talking to the living oracle of God himself. The term “bibliodolatry” comes to mind here. On this matter Stephen E. Robinson in “How Wide the Divide: A Mormon and an Evangelical in Conversation” (A fair starter book for Evangelicals honestly seeking to understand the LDS Christian position by the way) says the following:
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“Scripture is mediated revelation, derivative revelation. The direct revelation to a prophet or an apostle is immediate and primary, and this is the word of God in the purest sense- as “word” and “hearing” rather than as “text”. However, the recording, transmission and interpretation of the word depends on fallible human beings, using the fallible human tools of reason and language. Thus, Scripture is the word of God for Latter-day Saints, “as far as it is translated correctly.” For Latter-day Saints, the church’s guarantee of doctrinal correctness lies primarily in the living prophet, and only secondarily in the preservation of the written text. This is, after all, the New Testament model. The ancient apostles and prophets themselves were the “primary” oracles. What makes Scripture normative is not anything that may have happened to the text as text, but rather that it records what “holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost” (2 Pet 1:20-21). In other words, what makes Scripture “theopneustos” (“inspired” or “God breathed”) is not its “written” character but its “revealed” character. Writing it down preserves the inspired revelation and makes it accessible to the wider church, but that is secondary to the original revelation itself. The “record” of revelation cannot logically be more authoritative that the “experience” of revelation. There would have been no Scripture in the first place had not God revealed his word, person-to-person, to a living, breathing human being. And it is the continued presence of the one who received the revelation in the first place, or his inspired successors (prophets in the Old Testament, apostles in the New), that ensures the written word will be interpreted and applied correctly to new contexts. THIS IS THE BIBLICAL PATTERN.”
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To sum up... when the issues are better understood than how you have presented them your question is difficult to take seriously as holding any real weight. The Restored Gospel is beautiful and true… and i am grateful for living Apostles on the earth today and for the Prophet Joseph Smith and his contribution to this great work in these the latter-days.
@Avenged- Sevenfold Umm... No. You are clearly not grasping the role of the JST. You are framing the issue in a way that is outside of the LDS paradigm. Your confident bravado is loud.... but your understanding of the issue at hand is... low.
@Avenged- Sevenfold Atheists have sources to their claims to prove the Bible is false. This does not mean they have genuine understanding any more than you do just because you have "sources". I have represented the LDS view of the JST as it fits within the LDS paradigm. You don't have to agree with that paradigm nor do you have to like it. But, you accusing me of lying is just what some people do when they really do not have anything more substantive to bring to the table.
Hi sweetie! You are what keeps me going because of the position I’m in and I just want to say thank you and what you are doing is wonderful because people need to know this people need to know about the Mormon church and how false it is. I appreciate all the videos you have done on this topic because it shows me truth it helps me through each day even if I have to go back and watch one of your videos over again💕
That first one... the first time I disciplined my daughter was when she was 6 months old, because she clearly understood that I was saying "no," and chose to do it anyway.
Great video, I agree totally except for point no.4. You are wrong on faith alone.
James 2:24
Do you see that a man is justified by means of works, and not by faith alone.
Galatians 6:9
And so, let us not be deficient in doing good. For in due time, we shall reap without fail.
("Doing" good, that's more than faith , that's works)
Matthew 12:37
For by your words shall you be justified, and by your words shall you be condemned."
("Words" is talking, thats something you do, that is works)
Matthew 12:36
But I say to you, that for every idle word which men will have spoken, they shall render an account in the day of judgment.
(Again, "Word spoken" is something you do, works not faith)
we both agree faith without works is dead.
what are those works? if you read the entire book of james, you will see chapter 2. 25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?
rachel was a prostitute. james uses the word EVEN a prostitute to emphasize her depraved sin filled life. yet she is called righteous.
the book of james was written to people who are thoroughly convicted of their sin nature and need for the grace of god to save them from hell.
you can't take one verse out of the bible out of context, that's what you do when you quote "faith without works is dead" out of context. you know that, so why do you mormons do it so often? you render the whole book unintelligible when you take one verse out of context to support your cult fantasy.
the real belief of mormonism is the 2nd article of faith. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression. you don't believe that all your works are tainted by sin and your sin nature. you don't even believe you have a sin nature. you believe you will become a god by constantly choosing the right.
you don't believe in a sin nature, and you have no need for jesus to save you by grace. james was a brother of jesus and he accepted jesus and was fully relliant upon the mercy of jesus. you mormons have written the grace of god out of the bible entirely, that's why you quote scripture out of context. it's because you don't believe it.
We aren’t justified by works of the law, but by the the Holy Spirit doing work in our lives. Mormons have this part right, although I disagree with their extra biblical book. Too many Evangelicals skip over this bc they don’t actually have the Holy Spirit and want to stay in step with their sins instead.
2 Thes 2 13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. False converts, is what I call people whose lives are not changed by their “faith”.
Yes, James 2:24 is very disconcerting. There are 112 verses in the christian Bible that teach faith alone. But, here we have one verse that seems to contradict the other 112.
So, what do we do here? Do we throw away the 112 verses, or do we seriously and meticulously study the reason for this seemingly glaring contradiction? Or, do we build an entire religion (such as mormonism and jehova witnesses) around this one verse.
In the Book of James, notice that James refers to those he is speaking to as "brethen". Brethen is Greek for "christian brothers". On 5 occasions, James refers to the people he is addressing as "brethren".
These people James is addressing are already christian brothers, people who have already believed in the death, burial, and ressurection of Christ, by which they are already saved. (1 Cor 15: 1-4). Now, that they are saved, they are expected to be effective christians and do good works.
I just don't understand how "faith alone" works. If that's how it was meant to be, then why do we have the commandments? Are they not telling us things we should and shouldn't do?
As a Deist I would point out that while the claim that someone has had or had some sort of special "Divine Revelation" may or may not be true, it certainly would not be a "Divine Revelation" for anybody else. Rather, it would really just be hearsay.
First of all Smith never had any of that he just claims things he knows is not true and he's making up and he's basically wildly insane and able to deceive lots of people and make wild statements that are completely out of nowhere that twists Christianity and anything else and that's how it got off the ground but the thing is no one back then ever noticed but people are catching on to it now and that's why the moron Colt is losing millions of numbers and their texts are breaking and falling they have no statements about the word save or anything save means you're safe not by doing works if you do works then you can't be saved because you take care of yourself the more on Colt is so conflictedly false and has no concept of works or saved or commandments or rules but satanic fraud and Smith makes up and it was Antichrist hellish luciferically demonic ass.
On the first point, you have taken the Moroni 8.8 verse out of context. It concerns the question of whether little children need to be baptized. It is not saying that little children have not inherited the disadvantages of mortality and fallen nature from Adam's Transgression. It is saying that they are not capable of committing sin in the sense of conscious deliberate transgression of a commandment of God. They have not reached the age at which God holds them responsible. They are whole in the sense that Christ has taken the condemnation from them. It may be what Paul was alluding to in Romans 7. 9 "I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died". When was Paul "alive once"? Surely it was before he reached the age of accountability and awareness of the commandment. As for Adam's fall that men might be, Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith wrote that, when Eve transgressed, Adam was faced with a dilemma. He and Eve were in such dissimilar states that they could not have children together. He then chose to join her for the sake of having children. LDS do view the Fall as having been anticipated by God (as do most Christians). They think it was because God's wisdom decided that a greater good could come from men being afflicted by evil and the disadvantages of mortal life and overcoming these things by learning to trust and obey God. As for by grace we are saved after all we can do, the context shows that all we can do is "believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God" (2 Nephi 25.23). God makes everyone capable of believing in Christ.
Literally throw your book of mormon out if you love jesus. Jesus is God. Are you interested in reading some verses that say that? The mormon religion doesn't believe that.
Please open your heart to Jesus who is the ONLY way and rebuke Joseph Smith!
@@kellygreen3943 I can reassure you that I do trust in the Lord Jesus Christ as the only Savior. I am not LDS, but I have LDS friends, and I am concerned that Christians should be accurate in discussing LDS beliefs and the teaching of the Book of Mormon. There is a big difference between the BoM and later LDS doctrines as developed latterly by Joseph and Brigham Young. The BoM teachings on Jesus and salvation are very close to the Bible, whereas the Book of Abraham etc. constitute a radical change away from the original teaching of Father, Son and Holy Ghost as the one everlasting God. Many LDS people do have faith in Jesus Christ and His blood atonement, and resurrection, and in the Holy Spirit helping them to live a holy life, and other aspects of Christian truth. Not all are really knowledgeable of the very unbiblical later views of Smith and Young etc. They get by with a faith that is very close to the Bibllical one, although of course when they come to depend on secret temple rituals they are being led away from it, rather like the Galatian and Colossian Christians whom St Paul had to warn. I only appeal for Christians to deal factually, not misrepresent what the BoM teaches, and understand that many LDS have been brought up in that church to have a love for and trust in Jesus Christ. We must find a way to affirm the truths they hold about Jesus, while pointing out the very serious errors which were introduced after the BoM, when the uniqueness of Father Son and Holy Ghost as the only true and everlasting God was denied. I think witnessing to LDS people must be a very patient and loving work. I observe that some Christians attack LDS for holding doctrines which some true Christians hold, for example, Calvinists condemn them for rejecting their double predestination doctrine and antinomianism. Much of early LDS doctrine on faith and holiness is akin to Wesleyanism, which is why it attracted a lot of early converts.
the book of mormon was written to contain many plain and precious things. how is it that someone needs to explain it, when god sent it to us in plain and simple language? please do tell us all how you have been raised to the sublime degree of understanding all things book of mormon. and how do you know we don't have a burning in the bosom about it? i think my burning in the bosom trumps yours, a complete stranger, and not a prophet.
How do you take a false book out of context?
How did Adam and Eve sin in eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil if they did not yet know good from evil?
God told them, "Do not eat of the tree of good and evil." Pretty simple. Then Satan, in the form of a serpent, tempted Eve and she gave in. Adam then gave in too. They knew they were doing wrong. They knew they were disobeying. And yet they chose to. Kind of like every other human on earth daily, isn't it? We make choices and are all sinners who fall short of the glory of God. Praise Him for Jesus' work on the cross so we can be free from that bondage of sin and are forgiven!
@@itsmejessie It's the tree of knowledge of good and evil. I interpret it to mean they didn't know in their hearts right from wrong until eating the fruit. Disobedient perhaps, but I think God mostly just gave them a reason to not eat it, and left it up to them to accept the consequences (in the day they eat they shall die). Perhaps they didn't even equate disobedience as wrong? I consider their actions a transgression, but not a sin. That's why I don't think young children can sin; their brains are not developed enough to have a clear understanding of things. Those are my thoughts. I hope I'm not being too confusing :)
@@dlariby Uh, a "sin" is anything God doesn't want you to do. If He says, "Don't eat of this tree, but you can all the others" it is THEN a "SIN" to eat of the tree He said not to. He didn't need to say, "Thou shall not eat", it's still His law.
@@witharebelyell2762 I still think you must know right from wrong in order to sin (knowledge of good and evil). Besides, where would any of us be if they hadn't eaten the fruit? Would God make it mandatory for his children to sin in order to fulfill His plan of us coming to earth? It doesn't make sense to me.
dlariby transgression literally means sin. Disobeying God is a sin. God made us with free will and he gave Adam and Eve a choice to obey him or disobey him. You can’t take what the Bible says literally. The tree being called that doesn’t literally mean that Adam and Eve has no knowledge of good and evil.
Thank so much for another great video. It's amazing how many contradictions and still members can't see or refuse to. The main way they keep their members in blindness is by saying the Bible wasn't translated correctly. They really don't want members reading the Bible, and they must not because literally almost everything it says contradicts,. The whole gospel essentially is different. It's like they want you to believe that Jesus came back and said never mind, everything I told you before I left, I changed my mind, this is the way it is, here's all these rules I forgot to tell you about. There's so many things that are just so obviously false it's unbelievable how many fall for it.
So, I need help. I was raised Mormon and I left the church for a long time. I decided to come back, but I wanted to know Jesus more before I did. I had never read the Bible as an adult and after I did and started becoming close to the Lord, I started reading the BOM again. While I was reading it, so many red flags, I kept thinking, this doesn't sound like the Jesus I came to know through the Bible. I kept pushing back my feelings but one day while reading the D & C I heard an almost audible voice saying "THIS IS NOT ME, THESE ARE NOT MY WORDS!" It almost frightened me, but I was so wrapped into thinking I was going to go back to the Mormon church I tried to tell myself it was just Lucifer himself trying to stop me. As I kept reading, the voice became stronger and stronger, I knew with all certainty it was Christ himself speaking to me. I saw the contradictions. Holy Spirit guided me and brought to my remembrance the words of Jesus in the Bible and showed me how none of it fit. The Lord doesn't change his mind, God is not a man that he should lie. I was letting my girls go to Mormon church while I was on my journey to find the truth, but then I realized something.. They were learning about a false Christ. This is the greatest problem with the LDS church. They are literally robbing people of their salvation. They made up this Jesus. It's like you read a biography of someone with the same name, then you meet the other person and say oh I read all about you I know you so well! What happens? That person says depart from me I never knew you and you don't know me. They don't teach the prayer of salvation. Their whole works based system is robbing people of their salvation. It's truly sad. All these people thinking they're serving the Lord, so much wasted time. I watch my dad spend hours day by day reading the BOM, rarely will pick up the Bible. He's so brainwashed with the BOM that he wouldn't even be able to see all the contradictions, and if he did, he'd chalk it up to JS lie about it not being translated correctly. My dad is truly not saved. When I prayed the prayer of salvation and I received the Holy Spirit, my life changed dramatically. I can not even tell a white lie without feeling so convicted. My dad lies, my dad has so much pride and so many things that make me realize he's not saved, he does not have the Holy Spirit. Yes, we all sin, but after being a member of a church supposedly of Jesus Christ himself for almost 60 years, you would think he'd at least not be telling lies and acting the way he does.
I know this is long, thank you for reading if you've gotten this far 😂 It is a very hard thing I'm going through because we live with my dad. Since i have told him I'm not going to be going back to church and that I don't want my girls going either, he's made our lives a living hell. He thinks I am literally posessed by a demon. He is lying to my daughters about me. I'm in a hard position because I'm not able to survive on my own without him due to health problems. I have given myself 100% to the Lord and it is very hard to not be bitter towards my dad. It affects my relationship with the Lord. I do have compassion on my dad and look at it that way. I know his pride and ego will prevent him from hearing what I have to say, I have to try though. I am going to write him a letter and explain everything and try to show him why I believe he's been misled but I know he won't receive it. I am also cleansing my home of all demonic things and want my home to be a house of the Lord but there's all these things in his room, Joseph Smith statues, Mormon paintings etc. Are these abominations to the Lord? I know I can't throw out his property but I take everything so seriously in serving him. I believe items can let the demonic in. There's so many questions I have. Do we leave this home? I have been there for my dad all my life, I love him dearly. My mom passed 30 years ago and I've spent all that time caring for him. He loves my girls and I don't know what to do. He is lying to them about me, lying to others about me, saying outrageous things like I'm stealing his money, I'm taking off and leaving my girls and just outrageous things. I don't know if this is dementia kicking in, or just Satan himself but it's horrible. I have lived my life to please him. I am a devoted mother who loves her girls more than anything, well next to the Lord of course. He has changed so much after receiving the jab too. I know some truths about that the Lord has revealed to me so not surprising. Any advice from my brothers and sisters in Christ would be greatly appreciated and valued. Thank you for your wonderful work Jessie. You have helped me so much. It's such a hard journey to break away. Anyone who is coming to the truth and the Mormon church, I advise you to do something that helped me, pray to the Father for forgiveness in being deceived and ask him to help you wipe out the memories if the false Christ you were taught so that you can fill your mind and heart with the true Biblical Jesus. He is the way the truth and the life! God bless you all!
Stay strong in Jesus name
being a christian is not always easy. the decisions you are placed with are not always so cut and dry.
i think of abraham, who was raised in ur of the chaldees. he hated every minute of it. he hated good gods and bad gods and crockadile gods and turtle gods and river gods.
but he could not leave because god had put the 10 commandments in his heart. he knew about the first commandment, but he also knew about honor thy father and thy mother.
and he knew he owed his father deep love and respect. and that meant caring for him in his old age.
so abraham stayed in the land of pagans and idol worshippers, and took care of his father until his father died.
and then god made a way for him to leave the land of idol worshippers, and he went on to become the father of all the hebrews, the first father of moses and aaron and to all those who have the 10 commandments written in their heart.
and in the end, there's nothing written that tells you not to speak up for what you know is right. there's also something written to remind you that you should honor your father. exactly what choices you make and what you do is a matter between you and god.
Can you point to where they say not to read The Bible? The course of study for the Church next is the Old Testament. The year after that it will be the New Testament.
@@CMZIEBARTH the foundation of mormonism is that all the creeds of christianity are an abomination.
when you study the old testament with the mormons they will always find ways to bring up their first founding doctrine that all the creeds of christianity are an abomination.
when you get to the part where adam and eve bring sin into the world they will tell you that adam fell, but he fell upwards. they will add words and tell you that when adam heard the lie, "you will become gods" the serpent was not lying but he was telling the truth.
and then the foundation of mormonism will be established, and you will always be looking for how the old testament was changed and lies put for truth.
unless you can see there is only one god and you will not become a god, you will not be understanding the bible.
when they asked jesus what the most important commandment is. he said , mark 12.29
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
he was quoting the sh'ma. wiki sh'ma to find the most important commandment in all of judaism and christianity.
@@longnamenocansayy Thank you for replying with your understanding.
1) Psalms 51:5: “I was born guilty, a sinner when my mother conceived me” (NRSV) A sinner before I was even created? Not likely. Let’s check KJV: “I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.” That’s better- it seems it’s speaking of his mother. Children not being guilty of sin doesn’t mean they don’t sin, it simply means they are not guilty at the judgement, made possible by the atonement. This is a very satisfying clarification for me.
2) Nowhere did you quote anything from the Bible that refutes this about Adam and Eve. It was “necessary” is different from it being a sin.
3) No, it doesn’t say whites are superior to blacks. The curse is the separation from God’s people because of their iniquity. The mark on the skin is to reinforce this separation. Read it more carefully. All men being of one blood is not a contradiction either. “He denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female…all are alike unto God.” (2Nephi 26:33)
4) There are actually more scriptures that seemingly tell us works are necessary for salvation as there are that seem to say the opposite. For example James 2: 14-14,17-- "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? Can faith save him? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." Let's be honest, ALL faiths have something you must DO to QUALIFY for salvation, even if it is simply believing, otherwise all would be saved. The extent of this qualification is what separates them. For Mormons we qualify by faith, repentance and baptism. We do not and cannot earn it as you imply. We also must endure to the end. (Mark 13:13) Jesus did not preach easy-believism. Our complete discipleship is required.
5) Origen (c. AD 185-255) was one of the earliest and most respected Christian writers. The Bible had not yet been compiled-they only had circulated manuscripts. Origen noted, “The differences among the manuscripts have become great, either through negligence of some copyists or through the perverse audacity of theirs; they either neglect to check over what they have transcribed, or in the process of checking, they make additions or deletions as they please”. This phenomenon was also noted by Justin Martyr, another early Christian writer. He observed that certain important prophecies of Christ had been removed from the Jewish scriptures. The Bible itself can testify to this fact as there are 13 books of scripture mentioned in the Bible that are not in the Bible, not to mention that there are literally thousands of verifiable errors. (see Misquoting Jesus by Bart Ehrman) Although it may be true that there were in fact deletions, I believe the main things taken from the Bible were doctrinally deleted. Primary doctrines such as salvation for the dead, the nature of God, a premortal life, how man is saved, all found in the Bible, but have been ignored, voted out, or twisted until it is as if they were not there at all. All of which was primary doctrine with the early Christians.
6) When the Book of Mormon says “the whole Earth” it does not actually mean the entire planet, but rather every place within the local people’s experience. Note that in the gospel of Luke is says that Caesar taxed "all the world" (Luke 2:1). But he clearly could not have taxed anyone outside the Roman Empire, which, large as it was, was not "all the world." It certainly did not include India or China, or much of anywhere else east of Judea, nor most Arabia to the south and the vast majority of the African continent--let alone the Americas, obviously, which they did not even know. Likewise, when Jesus commanded the apostles to preach the gospel throughout "all the world" (Mark 16:15) there no evidence they went beyond the Roman Empire either. The phrases "all the world" and "the whole earth" in the scriptures and other ancient sources generally lack the global perspective we have today, and are in fact hyperbolic, referring to a more limited region The three days of darkness is consistent with a period of intense volcanism. The Book of Mormon 3 Nephi 8:5-25 provides a detailed description consistent with a massive volcanic and seismic eruption. Such details are precise for both ancient and modern accounts, though they would have been unknown to Joseph Smith.
7) The authority by which sacrifices were offered was the Melchizedek and not the Levitical priesthood.[1] That there are two priesthoods is clear in Hebrews 5:1-10 and Hebrews 7:5-28. Both the Levitical or Aaronic priesthood and the higher Melchizedek priesthood were exercised in Old Testament times and the higher priesthood was used to offer sacrifice (Heb. 7:27). Five Old Testament prophets who were apparently not Levites are mentioned in connection with the offering of sacrifices:
1. Joshua (Ephraimite) - Josh. 8:30-31; 24:30
2. Samuel (Ephraimite) - 1 Sam. 1:1-2, 20; 2:18; 7:9-19; 11:14-15
3. Elijah (Gad or Manassah) - 1 Kings 18:31-38; 17:1
4. David (Judah) - 1 Chron. 16:2; Matt. 1:2-6
5. Solomon (Judah) - 1 Kings 3:2-3; Matt. 1:2-6
The Cambridge Bible Dictionary affirms the fact that although Samuel was "not a priest he performed priestly functions and constantly offered sacrifice at various places"
8) I do not see in any of your references that state there were multiple High Priests at the same time, only over time. Having a living prophet, that would not have been a problem to alter that anyway-same with the exception you mention.
9) All your references to multiple temples are only referring to the temples of the apostates or other religions. In any case, this demonstrates nothing but a lack of knowledge of your source concerning the actual practices of ancient Jews. The fact is that ancient Jews did build temples outside of Jerusalem, and they built a lot of them. The Nephites were exiles from ancient Israelite culture, and would have continued the practices of temple building and worship that they were familiar with.
10) So if you check where these references are in the Bible you may change your tune. For example, I could not find the words “mercy seat” anywhere in the New Testament. You will not find the name of Jesus in the Old Testament. I suppose it depends on the time and the emphasis.
Hi Dan, I really appreciate your religion and I find lds church members very delightful and kind. We may have some differences but if you want to learn more about my point of view, then I recommend watching "Mormon Jesus vs Bible Jesus - Jeff Durbin". I would also like to hear your thoughts after watching this.
@@caravue7033 HI Cara Vue, I sincerely hope you are asking as a seeker. It would be very unusual if you were, but I will assume you are. I have seen most if not all of Jeff Durbin’s videos and have commented on many. He is a severe anti-Mormon and very often misrepresents, if not flat out lies about what we believe. For example, we do not teach Jesus was polygamous. He tries to impress you with occasional Greek words. He polarizes us by using typical anti-Mormon terminology, like “Mormon Jesus” and “Bible Jesus”, and “God over our own planet”. I can tell you that LDS beliefs are Biblical-much more than that of Jeff Durbin.
If you insist on listening to someone not of our faith tell you what we believe, I would recommend another Pastor named Jeff on a TH-cam series called “HelloSaints”. He is not perfect in his explanation, but is much more respectful than Durbin, and I have not caught him in a lie.
Typically, to reply to an accusation takes much more time and space than the accusation itself. Therefore, as much as I would like to give an honest reply to this entire video, it would take up much more space than I think TH-cam would allow. In that light, I will paste some links you can check out.
First on the idea of creation, and multiple Gods:
www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Mormonism_and_the_nature_of_God/Polytheism
By the way, this FAIR website is very good, and you can type in pretty much any question you want answered.
Or, if you prefer to listen and can handle some humor with it:
th-cam.com/video/7u0F8ztDDDQ/w-d-xo.html
On Jesus and Satan being brothers:
th-cam.com/video/F0LFZv-QwIo/w-d-xo.html
Grace and works (I explained this somewhat above, but here is a video):
th-cam.com/video/pM42bIlz_Ok/w-d-xo.html
How God is one:
www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/conference/august-2000/breaking-down-barriers-with-wrecking-balls-of-fallacy
Apologia church in general:
www.latterdaysaintwatchtower.com/refuted.html
For me, the restored gospel of Jesus Christ is simple and beautiful, but it can be as complex as you are willing to dig, yet it only gets more amazing. Instead of insisting that God created such an evil being as Lucifer, making God evil himself, it actually can solve The Problem of Evil, not make it worse. Instead of enveloping all the extra-Biblical councils and their resulting Creeds through the ages (such as the Trinity) and force all these things into the Bible, the restored gospel is Biblical, it is historical (being very similar in beliefs to very early Christianity), and it is spiritual. Best of all, you CAN receive confirmation directly from God of the truth and bypass all the confusion. I have had this experience and can honestly use the words, I know.
I want everyone to pay careful attention to what Jessie uses as her measurement for "Truth" in all of her videos, The Bible.
Pointing out contradictions comparing the book of Mormon to the Bible is easy for many individuals to accept. Pointing out the contradictions in this flawed measuring stick we call the Bible is more difficult for the believing Christian to accept. Take any of the Gospels and compare each story in detail and I guarantee you will see discrepancies.
For example,
During Jesus temptations, What was the second temptation? To jump off the Temple or bow down and worship Satan? Matthew said the first, Luke said the second.
Did Jesus ride one animal into Jerusalem as stated by Mark or did he ride two animals as stated by Matthew?
Did Jesus have a long conversation with Pilate as stated by John or was he silent except for uttering two words as in Mark?
Could someone please help me understand how anyone can try and point out a flaw in a religious group, when their own religion is so terribly flawed in itself?
Chris Shearer it’s an appeal to authority argument... that being the Bible which, to many Christians, is the perfect and complete written document of god’s word. Really good point, I was thinking a similar thing while listening to this. There’s good evidence to support that the Bible itself is fallible and that the accounts therein deserve to be held to the same type of cross examination.
Chris Shearer
So the gospels were eye witness accounts of Jesus’s life, death, and resurrection. If 4 different people witnessed the same crime, they would all have minor differences in their testimonies but the meaning or overall gist of the story is the same. That is to be expected. If all 4 gospels were exactly the same, that would actually be suspicious. In a court of law, it is expected that different eye witnesses have minor details that aren’t the same from each other, but as long as the gist or the main idea is the same, then they can be overlooked. No two people will tell a story exactly the same way, and if they did, it could be suspicious because that could mean that they were conspiring with each other to tell a lie. I would definitely recommend researching explanations for this (mine might not be the best) instead of writing the whole thing off
@@haileykeller8357 That's why people shouldn't feel they need to claim that The Bible has no contradictions. A book need not be completely free of contradictions to have great value. But if contradictions within The Bible are legit, then contradictions between The Bible and the BOM are also legit.
@@otisdylan9532 well the Bible has zero contradictions. A contradiction is when one part says something and another part states the opposite case with little or no evidence. In a police report, there will be slight differences between eye witness testimonies of a crime, but that doesn’t mean they contradict themselves. People have different perspectives or focused on different details, but the police would still accept the testimonies because it would actually be suspicious if they were all exactly the same. The Bible has zero contradictions because it is God’s inspired word and God is very consistent, righteous to preserve His Word, never changes and therefore never changes what he says, and always keeps his word. God can’t make mistakes.
There are SO MANY legit contradictions between the Bible and the Book of Mormon!
Your objections actually reaffirm the validity of the New testament letters. It shows that the New Testament was written by different authors and the details may not be the same, but the overwhelming teachings of Jesus and His identity is taught by all..no contradictions there. This actually is evidence that the writings of the New Testament are genuine and not contrived by a planned deception or story telling by one or just a few individuals. We would expect to have some minor discrepancies between the writers as they are telling what they have witnessed and heard or saw. But the overall message of the letters is unanimously the same throughout. This is what separates Christians from pseudo-christian cults. They always add or take away certain teachings or practices that fundamentally contradict historic Christianity that hold certain truths to be unchangeable.
8:06 my only problem with us christians is when trying to prove the bible is true, we ignore the fact that theres multiple translations. All the bibles can't be true. So there's at least one bible that takes out things as mentioned by the mormons.
Study textual criticism. Also, the dead sea scrolls proved the accuracy and timeline of the Bible. Trust me, its accurate and there are people devoted to textual criticism, who all they do is go over old scripts and find the accurate ones. Check out focal point ministries Bibliology - a 12-part Bible study on the Bible. This will give you a more solid foundation about the history and accuracy of the Bible
@@carrow2250 I know the bible is accurate. Im just saying, there's definitely stuff taken out of your ESV bible.
KJV Bible is the only complete preserved and inspired Word of God.
@@FalconJudah You're clearly not of an authority for this conversation if you've never heard of the NASB
Right, we need to be careful with translations..
I'm glad You Tubers are exposing Mormonism for what it is. Thank you Jessie.
Is the benefit to make different mainstream Christian churches more popular? Or the convenience it provides to people that they might not have to pay tithing or to observe the word of wisdom? What's the gladness about? Maybe it's supposed to be a sin if someone believes in a modern prophet like Russell Nelson and you're protecting questioning Latter-Day Saints from that type of sin? What's the big deal anyway? What are the consequences and curses from being a Latter-Day Saint?
I'm glad that the false claims of Christianity in general are being exposed on the internet.
@@Raze120 Some things are true, but none of it implies that the church of Jesus Christ is false.
@Avenged- Sevenfold Josephine consent? I didn't watch the whole video, but I don't know what that means. Basically, I just don't trust Born Again Christians (It's Me Jessie) to have the full gospel of Jesus Christ because they only represent one of hundreds of types of denominations all divided with different versions of baptism and probably different doctrines. All they share in common is a bible. Maybe they all interpret the bible more consistently with each other than Latter-Day Saints, but it's not convincing because they're all still divided and furthermore, and most importantly, It's Me Jessie never talks about the still small voice or inspiration she might/may receive from Holy Ghost (the Comforter) or personal revelation. She doesn't care about it.
@Avenged- Sevenfold Isn't that like asking why do you need Noah's consent to get into heaven or be safe by entering the ark before the flood? Why did Moses's people need Moses to escape slavery and cross the Red Sea? Is it because prophets like Moses and Noah came before Jesus Christ? But Joseph Smith can't be a modern "Noah" or "Moses" because he came along 1800 years after Christ? Is this an issue of chronologically who came before or after Jesus Christ?
The Holy Ghost is meant to be personal proof. I can't transfer my own experiences of being influenced by the Holy Ghost onto you, but it's possible that by me saying something to you, that you could feel the influence of the Holy Ghost from something I said. Also, Latter-Day Saints believe that except for Jesus Christ, Joseph Smith made the second greatest contribution to the salvation of souls after Jesus Christ. That doesn't mean it had to have been Joseph Smith, it just happened to be him. And he just followed instructions from Jesus Christ, so you could say it was only Jesus Christ and not Joseph Smith if you wanted. This is what's implied by temple building and temple work besides missionaries and missionary work.
As far as tangible proof, I would watch Hidden in Heartland. There are 7 episodes and I've seen them on Prime video. Wayne May and Rod Meldrum know what they're talking about.
Exodus 21:20-21
“And if a man beats his male or female servant with a rod, so that he dies under his hand, he shall surely be punished. Notwithstanding, if he remains alive a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his property.
Headless Horseman He is trying to say God supports slavery. But God gave Mankind free will, so that they could choose between Him and ourselves.
Love thy neighbor, help the poorest among us, etc. doesn't apply today either by Christians who take breast feeding babies from their mothers and keep children in cages.
Is it just me, or when Jessie’s videos show up in my feed, does the theme song “HEY JESSIE” pop into your head?!!?
Lol!! I haven't heard this song! 😄
Lol!! I haven't heard this song! 😄
It was Debbie Ryan from “Jesse” on the Disney channel.
May God bless you and your family 🙏
JESSE YOU ARE THE GREATEST I LOVE IT
Jessie - You have taken a different translation other than the king James Version on Ps51:5 Behold I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me! (KJV). David was simply saying that he was born into an environment where evil is all around him and the sin nature grew in his heart until later in his adult life he committed adultry/murder.
**First of all Apostle Paul teaches where there is no law there is no condemnation and little kids are not accountable to God until their age of accountibilty around age 8 because they have not learned His laws/commandments to disobey. Since all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, given time, all of us sin against God. It is true our children misbehave parents, but we are not their eternal Judge as being sinful to God!
**Jehovah explained to Adam: “Inasmuch as thy children are conceived in sin, even so when they begin to grow up, sin conceiveth in their hearts, and they taste the bitter, that they may know to prize the good.” (Moses 6:55.)
No, we do not believe, with Calvin, in the moral depravity of men and women. No, we do not believe, with Luther, that man does not even have the power to choose good over evil. And we do not believe that children inherit the so-called sin of Adam through either sexual union or by birth. Rather, children are born into a world of sin; conception is simply the vehicle by which the effects of the Fall (not original guilt) are transmitted to Adam’s posterity. Lehi taught Jacob that in the beginning God “gave commandment that all men must repent; for he showed unto all men that they were lost, because of the transgression of their parents.” (2 Ne. 2:21.) Fortunately, the Savior’s redemption was foreordained to atone for these estrangements, first of all Adam’s. As the Lord consoled Adam: “I have forgiven thee thy transgression in the Garden of Eden.” (Moses 6:53.) This declaration must, however, be understood in context. Because “the Son of God hath atoned for original guilt, wherein the sins of the parents cannot be answered upon the heads of the children” (Moses 6:54), we must not conclude that we are unaffected by the Fall.
**Are children conceived in sin? Since there is no such thing as original sin, as that expression is used in modern Christendom, it follows that children are not conceived in sin. They do not come into the world with any taint of impurity whatever. When our scriptures say that “children are conceived in sin,” they are using words in an entirely different way than when the same language is recited in the creeds of the world. The scriptural meaning is that they are born into a world of sin so that “when they begin to grow up, sin conceiveth in their hearts, and they taste the bitter, that they may know to prize the good.” (Moses 6:55.)
**What about infant baptism?
Few false doctrines have ever deserved and received such a vigorous and forceful denunciation as that heaped upon infant baptism by the prophet Mormon. When that inspired author inquired of the Lord concerning the baptism of little children, he was told: “Listen to the words of Christ, your Redeemer, your Lord and your God. Behold, I came into the world not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance; the whole need no physician, but they that are sick; wherefore, little children are whole, for they are not capable of committing sin; wherefore the curse of Adam is taken from them in me, that it hath no power over them.”
Thereupon Mormon, speaking by the power of the Holy Ghost, taught that “it is solemn mockery” to baptize little children; that they “are alive in Christ from the foundation of the world”; that it is awful wickedness to deny the pure mercies of Christ to them; that such a belief sets at naught the power of Christ’s redemption; that those who believe such a false concept are “in the bonds of iniquity” and if cut off while in the thought shall be thrust down to hell; and that those who humble themselves and repent and are baptized shall “be saved with their little children.” (Moro. 8:8-25.)
**“This being ‘conceived in sin’ [Moses 6:55], as I understand it, is only that they are in the midst of sin. They come into the world where sin is prevalent, and it will enter into their hearts, but it will lead them ‘to taste the bitter, that they may know to prize the good.’” (George Q. Morris, in Conference Report, Apr. 1958, 38).
I guess only the KJV version is true and the JST isn’t? 😁 do you believe the bom is historically accurate and the boa is a correct translation of common Egyptian funerary papyrus?
@@shawnbradford2243 KJV is"ground zero" and other translations are helpful sometimes. Somtimes the interpolations of man affect the skewed translation. I read JST. What is boa?
The bible is a great parenting guide
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 expands on the law:
If any man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them, then his father and mother shall seize him, and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gateway of his home town. And they shall say to the elders of his city, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear of it and fear.
When God set the standard for holiness in the garden of Eden he said, "The soul that sins shall die." That is, ALL sin. Yet, when he delivers the Law of Moses he only lists some sins as capital crimes. This shows his mercy.
This could I,think, apply to politicians as well.
There's no archeological evidence this type of punishment was ever carried out, so it couldve been a great deterent to teenage drunks and rebels. On a side note this OT law was spaeking to the jewish people exclusively, it wasn't speaking to us......it doesnt apply to today...
@@sevensickszero6112 You contradict yourself while grasping for any excuse to rationalize the immorality of the bible. You say that the law only applied to the Jews. I don’t see how that makes it any less cruel (unless you hate Jews). Then you say it was only made to scare teenagers into not misbehaving. Which is it? So can we interpret all of God’s cruel acts and rules as only meant to dissuade bad behavior? Is hell, where people suffer eternal torture for slight indiscretions, only an empty threat? What about when God orders the Jews to slaughter men, women, children, and even all animals so the Jews can takeover their land. I guess even the children and animals were diabolical sinners. What a compassionate Father.!
Exodus 31 whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Numbers 15 A man is stoned to death for picking up sticks on the sabbath
Leviticus 20:27 “Men and women among you who act as mediums or who consult the spirits of the dead must be put to death by stoning.
Genesis God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and "all flesh wherein there is breath of life." He plans to drown them all.
Why does God constantly torture animals? Did one of them bite an apple?
Is this your idea of a kind, caring God? It’s not mine.
@@phenylalanine1042 the forbidden fruit wasn't specified.....
For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
Genesis reads be fruitful and multiply before they sinned
Mormonism sounds racist. My great grandma survived a concentration camp for her Jewish faith. God send his son for all man kind first for Jew than the Gentile or Greek.
For its by grace you have been saved through faith not by works that anyone should boast.
There won’t be extended darkness on the earth until the end of the age when sky grows dark and moon is as red as blood Revelations 6:12.
The author of Hebrews writes that Jesus is our great high priest. There was one high priest that presented sacrifices for the people.
David was told instruction on how to build the temple.
Wow mentions of the feast was mind blowing.
Revelations reads and warns not to add or take away from holy scriptures!
My husband and I witnessed to two young Mormons this last week
who send our doorbell. After inviting them to dinner and loving discussion of TRUTH, we hopefully planted some seeds and plan to do further follow-up with them. I feel for these young men; they are so confused, though I can appreciate their whole worldview and entire life is wrapped up in this false doctrine 😢🙏🙏🙏. This video is a God Send! And BEYOND timely!! (No coincidence, right!) Thank YOU!!! ❤️🙏 God bless!
they are not confused they are in the right track. they can not be more confused than you are listening to distorting scriptures from Jessie. She does not understand it. and that's what she's teaching to everyone. Will you find many contradictions in the bible ? YES!!! so if there are contradictions in the Bible don´t think you have the truth,so do not judge those young mormon kids.
Wonderful! So Wonderful!!
@@chn9285 They are not just confused they severely deceived. You obviously have not studied the BIBLE enough to comment on its contents. If you think what you believe is true you have committed intellectual suicide. It's time for you to genuinely ask the JESUS of the BIBLE if your on the right track!
What we need to know and believe: WHY WE NEED A SAVIOR: Rom. 3:10-28 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understands, there is none that seeks after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that does good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes. Now we know that what things so ever the law says, it says to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ to all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believes in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Rom. 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:]
Grant Palmer demonstrates that the Jesus of the Bible and the Jesus of the BoM are two entirely different people.
I miss Grant. He was a good man and a helpful mentor.
Jesus isn't of the bible... The bible is of Him...
Jessie is a false prophetess.
1. She overtly denies the omniscience of God. She says men know more than God.
2. She denies all Scripture including The Bible. She claims that her wisdom is greater than Scripture. She says all Scripture including The Bible are unreliable because they contradict her.
3. She teaches never to pray to God. She says you should pray to men, like she does, or pray to her, that she gives better answers than God. Worse still, Jessie girl claims that Scripture taught her never to pray.
4. She claims that her feigned baby voice is superior to the still, small voice of The Spirit of God, hence, men should rely on her.
5. She claims The Bible contradicts The Book of Mormon, which claim is an outright lie from satan himself. In reality Jessie never reads either, she only googles for dumb data to deliver.
She is not worth watching. Her presentations are uninspired and unintelligent.
@James Weller
How are we supposed to respect you when you make false accusations?
Jessie does not deny the omniscience of God or say that men know more than God. Where do you come up with such ridiculous ideas?
Or again, Jessie does not "deny scripture". Have you even watched her videos?
Or again, she does not teach to not pray to God. Why are you making such things up?
I could go on, but I think I've made my point: You simply make baseless, groundless accusations, which says far more about you than her.
@@bowrudder899 First of all, is "Bowrudder" your actual legal name? I only address real men and real women. As a kindness I will say this: I told the truth about Jessie, so I stand by my statements.
Hey there. I'm currently talking to two Mormon girls-hoping to gently lead them to the truth. Thanks for this video, sister. I have a bit of a question about your first point, though-Jesus, when interacting with children: "But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 19:14) I suppose it's a discussion about when the age of accountability is, but children are treasured in God's eyes.
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In regards to the 1st contradiction. Isn't it ironic that Mormonism have a lot more in common with Islam than with Christianity, as far as theology is concerned? In Islam their "doctrine of original sin" (described in Surah) is in the same context as how you described it. This is something I just picked up on regarding sin and our fallen state. As always Jess, good job :)
Their are only 2 religions. Either biblical Christianity which seems to be very rare. And everything else which dresses up the same thing of becoming righteous on your own and then becoming a god same lie that satan told in the garden
Psalm 51:5 makes no sense when written by someone who Commited Adultery and Murder like David did. so Children do not sin when they are borned.
@@chn9285: David was not a child. The entire chapter of Psalm 51 is referring to a contrite sinner's prayer for a pardon. It is a Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came to him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba. We are born with a sinful nature, and we inherited it from Adam. “Sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people” (Romans 5:12).
Except Islam has it right that when it comes to works moronism is damning extremely so when it comes to its Falsehood Evils and it's Wickedness.
Hi Jessie, I'm typing this as I watch your video (obviously pausing it in order to write and carefully listen to what you have to say). As a Christian, and more specifically a Latter-day Saint, I have seen the list you are referring to (and I can even tell you that there are even better arguments somewhere else, but I'll leave those in your capable hands). I'm not sure that I'll be able to address all of your points, because of the limitations on comment length, but here we go :
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1. Little children cannot sin (Moroni 8:8 vs. Psalm 51:5)
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Well, right from the start, I must say that arguing doctrinal matter using Psalm is very ambitious! That's like trying to analyze human psychology through pop culture, today (i.e. the psalms support doctrine, they do not define it). Anyhow. The doctrine of "ancestral fault", which later was adopted by the Roman Catholic Church, has initially been presented as a tradition by Celsus in his work "True Doctrine". Celsus was actually against Christianity, and opposed just about everything about it. The teaching was then formalized and made a doctrine by Irenaeus, the Bishop of Lyon, in his struggle against Gnosticism. Among other things, Irenaeus argued that the Fall of Adam was a step in the wrong direction. Still, what he argued was not as extreme as what would be later found in the writings of Augustine.
The Scriptural source of the original sin is based on the writings of Paul (Romans 5:12-21; 1 Corinthians 15:22) and Psalm 51:5. As we can take the teaching of Paul in it's context, that is the need for the atonement of Jesus Christ, Paul does not associate sin with children. In fact, the word "man" did not apply to children (see below). As for the psalm, David was much afflicted by his sins with Bathsheba. David seems to have been afflicted all of his life (see Psalm 69:9,12) and there is much lamentations in his writings. But when he wrote that he was "shapen in iniquity", it was not about him, but about how his great-grandparents were Boaz and Ruth. In short, David laments that he is the product of a sinful union between Boaz, a prince in Israel, and Ruth, a Moabite. That's it.
Nowhere else in the Bible do we find such language about children be able to sin. In fact, if children had been dead, and in need to be born again, then how come does Christ say : "Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God." (Mark 10:14; Matthew 19:14; Luke 18:16) Being repeated three times in the Scriptures must be true! (Deuteronomy 17:6; 2 Corinthians 13:1)
Throughout Christandom, the accepted definition of sin is to both transgress the law (1 John 3:4) and to rebel against God (Deuteronomy 9:7; Joshua 1:18); to rebel against someone implies a choice, therefore accountability (there is no coice without consequence). However, in Judaism, the age of accountability is 13 years old : "In Judaism, 13 is the age at which Jewish boys receive the same rights as a full-grown man and become a "son of the law" or bar mitzvah. Christianity borrowed many customs from Judaism; however, some Christian denominations or individual churches set the age of accountability much lower than 13." ( www.thoughtco.com/the-age-of-accountability-700152 )
In other words, even the Bible say that children cannot sin because they are not regarded as capable of choosing (or rejecting) Jesus Christ.
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2. The Fall of Adam was a postive (2 Nephi 2:23-25 vs. Genesis 3:16-19 & Romans 5:12 & Romans 8:20-21)
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After citing a few references without much explanation, you merely conclude that the contradiction between the requirements of the two commandments, i.e. fist, to be "fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over [all the Creation]" (Genesis 1:28) and, second, to "not eat of [the tree of the knowledge of good and evil]" (Genesis 2:17), cannot have been both exclusive (i.e. both positive) because it has "no basis in logic or the Biblical texts." (4:30)
Alright, let's consider that you are right, and eating of the fruit was evil; then how do you account that...
a. ...Eve saw that the tree was not only good for food, but "[desirable] to make wise"? (Gen. 3:6)
b. ...neither Adam nor Eve knew that they were naked (i.e. they did not know something)? (Gen. 3:7)
c. ...after they both ate of the fruit, God said that they had "become as one of [them]"? (Gen. 3:22)
Are you saying that God wanted Adam and Eve to remain unwise, ignorant, and inferior to them? If so, then why Jesus said that we need to become perfect like Heavenly Father is perfect? (Matthew 5:48) Why does Jesus call the disciples His "brethren", and tells them that He and them have the same Father? (John 20:17) Why does Paul teach that we can be glorified with Christ? (Romans 8:17)
But, and perhaps most importantly, why was there a need for Christ since the beginning (John 1:1), and why did He create all this if there should not be a fall away from God, followed by a redemption from sin? Do you suppose that Christ is a consequence of the Fall, that Satan managed to frustrate God into sending His Son for our sake?
In the same chapter of 2 Nephi 2, we read : "Wherefore, the Lord God gave unto man that he should act for himself. Wherefore, man could not act for himself save it should be that he was enticed by the one or the other." (v.16) The concept of choice is omniprsent in the Scriptures (e.g. Joshua 24:15), and this is also the message of the Gospel; Jesus Christ never coerced anyone to believe Him. When some left, He did not rebuke them (John 6:66), but He invited all to come unto Him. Similarly, to be born again of the spirit is also a choice that one has to make. Everything is about choices, and one part of the Plan of Salvation was for Adam and Eve to make the choice of falling away from God in order to know good from evil. If they had remained in the garden of Eden (thus in the presence of God), they could not have known this (2 Nephi 2:11-13)
As for Romans 5:12, it is about how Christ is mighty to save and redeem all mankind from the consequence of one man (and one woman), whereas Romans 8:20-21 is about how we are in a corruptible state and eventually all fall short before God (see Romans 3:23; 6:23, contrast with 1 Corinthians 15:42)
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3. Black skin is a curse 2 Nephi 5:21 vs. Acts 17:26 & Galatians 3:28 & James 2:1
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This argument is perhaps one of the most misunderstood idiom in the Book of Mormon. Yes, you read that right : the blackness of skin is an idiom. In fact, there was no visible physical distinctiveness between the skins of the Nephites in the Lamanites : "And the Amlicites were distinguished from the Nephites, for they had marked themselves with red in their foreheads after the manner of the Lamanites; nevertheless they had not shorn their heads like unto the Lamanites." (Alma 3:4) So, as you can see, the difference between the Amlicites, the Nephites, and the Lamanites was not skin, but a mark on the forehead, or having shaven heads. (Alma happens over 400 years after 2 Nephi, by the way.)
As for more information about this idiom, very present in the Bible also, I strongly suggest that you watch Marvin Perkins excellent presentation about this, called "Blacks in the Scriptures" : th-cam.com/video/jJZ5fdlTXu4/w-d-xo.html
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I'm running out of space, but if you want me to continue, I can make another comment.
Sincerely.
I am a latter day saint too. The church is true. The Book of Mormon is true and I cannot deny it. It has transformed my life. So many lies are spread about the church and it is satan's greatest trick. Why wouldn't he want to stir up so many lies, half truths and hate about the true church of Jesus Christ.
@Avenged- Sevenfold yes sir. Why?
@Avenged- Sevenfold I hear you and I am aware of what the verse says. It goes both ways though. When I've asked God if the church is not true I always recieve the answer that it is true. Do you get what I'm saying?
@Avenged- Sevenfold a child can choose wrong, because we are born corruptible, not sinners. A child cannot know that he is choosing either good or wrong, because he chooses foolishly. But as we grow up, we become wiser (or we should be) and learn how to discern the right from the wrong. This is why we need to be born again, and come back to Christ. But as a child is innocent before God, he does not sin. God does not condemn a child for choosing wrong, because the child does not know, he does not have the necessary experience to be accountable for his actions.
"I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
"I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning.
"I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one.
"I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father." (1 John 2:12-13)
Little children are forgiven because they have known the Father, and because they do not know who the wicked one is.
@@protectpreservetheunborn4104 The true church is spoken of in the book of Acts and the epistles.
There was no endowment ceremony, no mandatory tithing, no worthiness interviews, they did not worship a god that came from another planet, they did not mock Jesus Christ and say he was the brother of Lucifer, no restored priesthood ( Jesus is our High Priest forever after the order of Melchizedek), no baptizing for the dead (I Cor. 15 speaks of pagans baptizing for the dead. ), no secret handshakes, no holy underwear, no temple recommend, no temple (they met in homes), no salvation by grace after all you can do, no veil was put back up that God had torn in two, they did not believe they would become a god someday, the women were not hoping to share their husbands with other women and be pregnant for all eternity populating a planet, etc..
I also like how the BOM is written in King James English, now just how did that happen?
By a man trying to con people into thinking it is also the word of God in English, by attempting to imitate the majesty of the King James Bible. Yusuf Ali tried the same trick when he translated the Quran into English.
The KJV Elizabethan language is all the religious text Joseph knew ( he was uneducated) and so he used that familiar sacred language as he received his impressions during translation. Are you slow? Is that really hard to grasp?
@@JohnDLee-im4lo Well John, if you are determined to deceive yourself into believing this adulterous conman, I suppose that's your only option.
In light Galatians 1:8 and of the entire package of context and evidence, Smith was a conman and a false prophet.
But, suite yourself.
It is better to be slow and right, than quick but deceived.
@@JohnDLee-im4lono, you half-wit, I'm not slow. If the material he was "reading" were ancient texts, they would not have been expressed in King James English. He "discovered and translated" them in the 19th century, also NOT a time when that version of the language was in use. Smith was a fraud and you're a moron.
@@serpent645 The paucity of your knowledge on this subject is laughable and breathtaking. He didn't "read" anything. As he reviewed the characters, he said he received impressions as to its interpretation. The language is Elizabethan English...the language of the King James Version of the Bible..even in the 19th century. Read my posts, you dullard. Wow, I guess you are that stupid...
Jessie: 1. How many infants know right from wrong? Little children may not sin even though they may transgress. Adam and Eve did not sin by partaking of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil because the knowledge of good and evil is required to sin. Psalm 51:5 "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me." Indeed the nature of humankind after the fall.
2. Prior to partaking of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil Adam and Eve were in a state of innocence and knew not that they were naked. Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Romans 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God." None of these referenced scriptures say that Adam and Eve sinned. The fall of Adam brought mortality and sin to all humankind but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
3. 2 Nephi 5:21 "And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them." Where in that scripture does it say whites are superior to blacks. It says that God had caused this to happen because of their iniquity. Acts 17:26 "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:" The Lord Jesus Christ during his mortal ministry ministered and directed his disciples to only minister to the Jews but sent them out to all the world in his post mortal ministry. Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
" Same as the last scripture.
4. 2 Nephi 25:23 "For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do. Moroni 10:32 Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God." Ephesians 2:1 "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast." Are we saved by Grace. Absolutely yes! Salvation depends upon what God has done to make salvation possible. He made a plan for salvation because we would be sorely tempted by Satan and his angels. Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." He gave his only begotten Son who alone could offer the perfect sacrifice. It is by the grace of God that we may inherit the Kingdom of God. We have certain steps in the process of salvation that are required. As the Apostle Paul said, 1 Corinthians 6:9 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." So, we must be washed (baptized), Sanctified (cleansed), and Justified (reconciled). How does one become justified? The Bible says, James 2:21 "Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." That is why our scripture states "after all we can do
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5. 1 Nephi 13: 26 "And after they go forth by the hand of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, from the Jews unto the Gentiles, thou seest the formation of that great and abominable church, which is most abominable above all other churches; for behold, they have taken away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which are plain and most precious; and also many covenants of the Lord have they taken away." So, what is the Bible talking about when it says, Acts 3: 19 ¶ "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began." If we have it all then why would there be a need for a restitution before the second coming of Jesus Christ? Do you have the whole Bible? Do you have the took the book of the covenant, Ex. 24:7.
book of the wars of the Lord, Num. 21:14.
book of Jasher, Josh. 10:13 (2 Sam. 1:18).
Samuel … wrote it in a book, 1 Sam. 10:25.
book of the acts of Solomon, 1 Kgs. 11:41.
book of Samuel the seer, 1 Chr. 29:29.
book of Nathan the prophet, 2 Chr. 9:29.
book of Shemaiah the prophet, 2 Chr. 12:15.
acts of Abijah … in the story of the prophet Iddo, 2 Chr. 13:22.
book of Jehu, 2 Chr. 20:34.
written among the sayings of the seers, 2 Chr. 33:19.
spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene, Matt. 2:23.
I wrote unto you in an epistle, 1 Cor. 5:9.
as I wrote afore in few words, Eph. 3:3.
read the epistle from Laodicea, Col. 4:16.
when I gave all diligence to write unto you, Jude 1:3.
Enoch also … prophesied of these, Jude 1:14. If not, you don't have the whole Bible!
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6. The whole earth meaning in the Americas. There was no contact with Europe or the Middle East until after 1492.
8. 1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. 11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. There is and always has been two orders of the priesthood, the order of Melchisedec and Aaron. A certain lineage was not required for a high priest in the Melchisedec.
We have the whole Bible.
The word “canon” comes from the rule of law that was used to determine if a book measured up to a standard. It is important to note that the writings of Scripture were canonical at the moment they were written. Scripture was Scripture when the pen touched the parchment. This is very important because Christianity does not start by defining God, or Jesus Christ, or salvation. The basis of Christianity is found in the authority of Scripture. If we cannot identify what Scripture is, then we cannot properly distinguish any theological truth from error.
What measure or standard was used to determine which books should be classified as Scripture? A key verse to understanding the process and purpose, and perhaps the timing of the giving of Scripture, is Jude 3 which states that a Christian's faith “was once for all entrusted to the saints.” Since our faith is defined by Scripture, Jude is essentially saying that Scripture was given once for the benefit of all Christians.
Isn't it wonderful to know that there are no hidden or lost manuscripts yet to be found, there are no secret books only familiar to a select few, and there are no people alive who have special revelation requiring us to trek up a Himalayan mountain in order to be enlightened? We can be confident that God has not left us without a witness. The same supernatural power God used to produce His Word has also been used to preserve it.
Psalm 119:160 states that the entirety of God's Word is truth. Starting with that premise, we can compare writings outside the accepted canon of Scripture to see if they meet the test. As an example, the Bible claims that Jesus Christ is God (Isaiah 9:6-7; Matthew 1:22-23; John 1:1, 2, 14, 20:28; Acts 16:31, 34; Philippians 2:5-6; Colossians 2:9; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8; 2 Peter 1:1). Yet many extra-biblical texts, claiming to be Scripture, argue that Jesus is not God. When clear contradictions exist, the established Bible is to be trusted, leaving the others outside the sphere of Scripture.
The early church had some very specific criteria in order for books to be considered as part of the New Testament. These included: Was the book written by someone who was an eyewitness of Jesus Christ? Did the book pass the “truth test”? (i.e., did it concur with other, already agreed-upon Scripture?). The New Testament books they accepted back then have endured the test of time and Christian orthodoxy has embraced these, with little challenge, for centuries.
Confidence in the acceptance of specific books dates back to the first century recipients who offered firsthand testimony as to their authenticity. Furthermore, the end-time subject matter of the book of Revelation, and the prohibition of adding to the words of the book in Revelation 22:18, argue strongly that the canon was closed at the time of its writing (c. A.D. 95).
There is an important theological point that should not be missed. God has used His word for millennia for one primary purpose-to reveal Himself and communicate to mankind. Ultimately, the church councils did not decide if a book was Scripture; that was decided when the human author was chosen by God to write. In order to accomplish the end result, including the preservation of His Word through the centuries, God guided the early church councils in their recognition of the canon.
@@dleoburns There is absolutely no mention in the entire Bible about a special class of Melchizedek priests. Melchizedek is mentioned briefly in the Old Testament in two places (Gen. 14:18-20 and Ps. 110:1). In Genesis 14, Melchizedek is a king and priest who blesses Abraham and to whom Abraham gives tithes. Psalm 110, a royal Messianic Psalm, applies this priesthood of Melchizedek to Jesus who is also a priest and king (cf. Matthew 22:44; 26:64; Mark 16:19; Heb. 5:5-6). However, nowhere in the Old or New Testaments do we see the practice of ordaining males to the office of the Melchizedek priesthood. Jesus alone is mentioned in the New Testament as a priest after the order of Melchizedek (Heb. 5:1-4ff).
Instead, the Bible teaches that all believers have priesthood authority (1 Peter 2:5, 9; Rev. 1:6; 5:10; 20:6). Even in the Old Testament, the nation of Israel was to be a kingdom of priests (Ex. 19:5-6). However, Jesus is the unique High Priest (Heb. 7:23-8:13). Each believer has the authority to preach the Gospel, baptize, and govern the kingdom of God on this earth. It is not something that is limited to males who are above the age of 12 or 18.
The context of James 2:24 is not arguing against the doctrine of salvation by faith alone.
James 2:14-26, as a whole, and especially verse 24, has been the subject of some confused interpretations. The passage definitely seems to cause serious problems for the “salvation by faith alone” concept. First, we need to clear up a misconception, namely, that James means the same thing by “justified” in James 2:24 that Paul means in Romans 3:28. Paul is using the word justified to mean “declared righteous by God.” Paul is speaking of God’s legal declaration of us as righteous as Christ’s righteousness is applied to our account. James is using the word justified to mean “being demonstrated and proved.”
The entire James 2:14-26 passage is about proving the genuineness of your faith by what you do. A genuine salvation experience by faith in Jesus Christ will inevitably result in good works (cf. Ephesians 2:10). The works are the demonstration and proof of faith (James 2:18). A faith without works is useless (James 2:20) and dead (James 2:17); in other words, it is not true faith at all. Salvation is by faith alone, but that faith will never be alone.
While James 2:24 is the only verse that contains the precise phrase “faith alone,” there are many other verses that do, in fact, teach salvation by faith alone. Any verse that ascribes salvation to faith/belief, with no other requirement mentioned, is a declaration that salvation is by faith alone. John 3:16 declares that salvation is given to “whoever believes in Him.” Acts 16:31 proclaims, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.” Ephesians 2:8 says, “For by grace you have been saved through faith.” See also Romans 3:28; 4:5; 5:1; Galatians 2:16; 3:24; Ephesians 1:13; and Philippians 3:9. Many other verses could be referenced in addition to these.
James 2:24 does not argue against salvation by faith alone. Rather, it argues against a salvation that is alone, a salvation devoid of good works and obedience to God’s Word. James’s point is that we demonstrate our faith by what we do (James 2:18). The New Testament definitely teaches that salvation is the product of God’s grace in response to our faith. “Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? . . . On that of faith” (Romans 3:27). There is no other requirement.
These verses do not speak of a restored gospel. I Cor. 15 tells you what the gospel is
It was never lost, so there is no need to restore it.
Acts 1:6 So when they had come together, they were asking Him, saying, “Lord, is it at this time You are restoring the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority;
Acts 3:19 Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; 20 and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you,
21 whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.
22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brethren; to Him you shall give heed to everything He says to you. 23 And it will be that every soul that does not heed that prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’
This is a reference to the future period when God will restore the earth to its original condition which existed before the fall of Adam and Eve. We see this reflected in Paul’s comments as well.
Rom. 8:20-21, “For the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.”
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How is one justified?
Romans 4 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found?
2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due.
5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
Romans 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
Titus 3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Thank you for all your hard work. It took several years of many different Christians preaching the gospel to me for me to finally leave. I'm eternally grateful! Please don't give up or become discouraged.
How do the little sinners, not go to hell, if they die young before learning to repent?
little sinners are saved from hell the same way big sinners are saved from hell.
god knows how to read the heart of a man and god knows how to read the heart of woman and god can read the heart of a baby.
actually the christian god is the god of all mercy. that means, the reason mercy exists in the universe is because god provided it.
How about a video on the “pre-existence” and how mormans truth indicator is base on the “feelings” they get after reading or learning something
Just as a Christian does with the Bible.
@@TheChrishendrix Christians don't base their beliefs on feelings. That's a mormon thing. The Bible says, "The heart is deceitful above all things. Who can know it?"
@@rayma66 OK, What non emotional reasoning can you give me to believe the supernatural claims in the Bible?
@@TheChrishendrix Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen. Faith comes from God ultimately. It is a gift he gives to us. All throughout the Bible God gives tangible ways to know if something is the word of God or someone is sent by God. Such as testing the prophets and spirits, and searching the scriptures if something is true. Paul encourages the people to search the scriptures to know if Jesus was the Messiah. He even praises them for doing so. This is just one example. The tests of a prophet include fulfilled prophecy. Even one false prophecy excludes him and he is not to be listened to. A prophet has to uphold what previous prophets have said. He cannot lead you after any other gods. And many more... Paul preached (and repeated) that if any man or angel preached another gospel then let him be accursed. He warned of false prophets and false Christs. Jesus gave us another test: "You shall know them by their fruits." A good tree cannot produce bad fruit. God always always always gives us simple (and intellectual) tests to know if something is true. Not once in the whole Bible does he say to pray for a good feeling. He actually says that the heart is deceitful above all things. Feelings are subjective and can lead you astray. In terms of the Book of Mormon, rather than praying about it one should search the Bible (what God has already revealed) and see if they match up. And also to put Joseph Smith to the test. Did he produce good or bad fruit? Did all of this prophecies come true? Did he preach the same Christ? Did he lead people after a false god? Etc. After all, shouldn't you bet your soul on something more than Joseph's word and good feelings?
@@rayma66 You're using the Bible in an attempt to use as evidence of itself.....you see the problem?
You exercise the same "Faith" as a Mormon does with the book of Mormon. It's a blind assumption that your book is 'divine' or 'holy' over another book. But you have no evidence.
There is apparently a positive symbiotic relationship between three variables: those who leave the church, dishonesty, and frontal bossing
@tapir rider Then her utter preoccupation with what she perceives to be the biggest threat to reasonable people speaks even more in favor of the truthfulness and strength of the claims of the Restored Christian church! Thanks for the help.
@tapir rider Bah! The xmo whit is a slow one. I acknowledged she wasn’t a member and explained why her preoccupation nevertheless only further bolsters our claims. You don’t dedicate your life fighting against something that is so obviously flawed. Your name proves the same. You all cannot stop thinking about the Restoration because the issue is clearly not resolved in your own head. Of all the many issues you could dedicate your lives to, you’re preoccupied and have defined yourself with bringing down a statistically tiny minority religion. It’s because you realize what the Restoration really is. It’s the truth. You can leave it but you’ll never be able to leave it alone. You don’t refute our prophecies, you’re currently fulfilling them. Love you
@@raulofmustachio3d do you really think that people who have been seriously hurt by the mormon church have no right to respond?
is the mormon church beyond reproach?
only a dyed in the wool cult believer would stand firm with such nonsense.
first of all, it is not right for the mormon church to spread lies. but it is mormon practice to lie all the time without the slightest sense of propriety or decency.
2nd of all i do not think it's right to indoctrinate little children with lies.
3rdly i think that someone who was lied to by the mormon church has every right to take them to task by presenting the truth.
if you can't understand the above, then you're just going to have to accept that there are people who do not like being lied to.
the mormon church crossed a barrier when they lied to me, and i see no reason to keep quiet about it.
Thank you so much for this videos,for over 3 years I tried to understand their believes but my bible showed me something else,and now you are clarifying my doubts...
So glad you are benefitting from this!
@@mr400meter of course! For months I thought that maybe I was wrong and they were right
What does the Bible teach about a newborn child or baby?
1. They know nothing in their childhood state (Deuteronomy 1:39).
2. There is a stage when children do not know the good or the bad (Isa 7:16).
3. Of children is the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 18: 1-5).
4. But Jesus said: Let the children come to me, and do not stop them; for such is the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 19: 13-15).
Why does it matter if things like Passover and ark of the covenant are mentioned in the bible?
Cuz if you wanna get technical, they're mentioned in the Torah. Not at all, or hardly in the new testament.
@tapir rider you literally are saying "I know the book of Mormon is fake because it's fake"
@tapir rider looking back on it, you really didn't provide any evidence. You said "Mormonism is fake because, at it's foundation, it's based on fake principles" which, despite being true, doesn't provide any evidence other than "it's fake cuz it's fake"
@tapir rider Id say you need to work on your insults, but it's clear you really tried your best so I'll pretend like that wasn't the stupidest thing I've ever heard someone say in an argument.
Hello Jessie,
I really appreciate this video thank you! The question I have is what do you think about the contradictions, issues and discrepancies in the Bible? Some of them are the fact that no one knows who wrote the gospels. Yet we call them Mark, Matthew, Luke and John.
The early church unanimously held that the gospel of Matthew was the first written gospel and was penned by the apostle of the same name (Matt. 10:2-4). Lately, the priority of Matthew as the first written gospel has come under suspicion with Mark being considered by many to be the first written gospel. The debate is far from over.
The historian Papias mentions that the gospel of Matthew was originally in Aramaic or Hebrew and attributes the gospel to Matthew the apostle.5
"Irenaeus (ca. A.D. 180) continued Papias's views about Matthew and Mark and added his belief that Luke, the follower of Paul, put down in a book the gospel preached by that apostle, and that John, the Beloved Disciple, published his Gospel while residing in Asia. By the time of Irenaeus, Acts was also linked with Luke, the companion of Paul."6
This would mean that if Matthew did write in Aramaic originally, that he may have used Mark as a map, adding and clarifying certain events as he remembered them. But, this is not known for sure.
The earliest quotation of Matthew is found in Ignatius who died around A.D. 115 A.D. Therefore, Matthew was in circulation well before Ignatius came on the scene. The various dates most widely held as possible writing dates of the Gospel are between A.D. 40 - 140. But Ignatius died around A.D. 115, and he quoted Matthew. Therefore Matthew had to be written before he died. Nevertheless, it is generally believed that Matthew was written before A.D. 70 and as early as A.D. 50.
Mark
Mark was not an eyewitness to the events of Jesus' life. He was a disciple of Peter and undoubtedly it was Peter who informed Mark of the life of Christ and guided him in writing the Gospel known by his name. "Papias claimed that Mark, the Evangelist, who had never heard Christ, was the interpreter of Peter, and that he carefully gave an account of everything he remembered from the preaching of Peter."7 Generally, Mark is said to be the earliest gospel with an authorship of between A.D. 55 to A.D. 70.
Luke
Luke was not an eyewitness of the life of Christ. He was a companion of Paul who also was not an eyewitness of Christ's life. But, both had ample opportunity to meet the disciples who knew Christ and learn the facts not only from them but from others in the area. Some might consider this damaging to the validity of the gospel but quite the contrary. Luke was a gentile convert to Christianity who was interested in the facts. He obviously had interviewed the eyewitnesses and written the Gospel account as well as Acts.
"The first account I composed, Theophilus, about all that Jesus began to do and teach, until the day when He was taken up, after He had by the Holy Spirit given orders to the apostles whom He had chosen. To these He also presented Himself alive, after His suffering, by many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days, and speaking of the things concerning the kingdom of God." (Acts 1:1-3).
Notice how Luke speaks of "them," of those who had personal encounters with Christ. Luke is simply recounting the events from the disciples. Since Luke agrees with Matthew, Mark, and John and since there is no contradictory information coming from any of the disciples stating that Luke was inaccurate and since Luke has proven to be a very accurate historian, we can conclude that Luke's account is very accurate.
As far as dating the gospel goes, Luke was written before the book of Acts and Acts does not mention "Nero's persecution of the Christians in A.D. 64 or the deaths of James (A.D. 62), Paul (A.D. 64), and Peter (A.D. 65)."8 Therefore, we can conclude that Luke was written before A.D. 62. "Luke's Gospel comes (Acts 1:1) before the Acts. The date of Acts is still in dispute, but the early date (about A.D. 63) is gaining support constantly."9
John
The writer of the gospel of John was obviously an eyewitness of the events of Christ's life since he speaks from a perspective of having been there during many of the events of Jesus' ministry and displays a good knowledge of Israeli geography and customs.
The John Rylands papyrus fragment 52 of John's gospel dated in the year 135 contains portions of John 18, verses 31-33, 37-38. This fragment was found in Egypt, and a considerable amount of time is needed for the circulation of the gospel before it reached Egypt. It is the last of the gospels and appears to have been written in the 80's to 90's.
Of important note is the lack of mention of the destruction of the Jewish temple in A.D. 70. But this is understandable since John was not focusing on historical events. Instead, he focused on the theological aspect of the person of Christ and listed His miracles and words that affirmed Christ's deity.
Though there is still some debate on the dates of when the gospels were written, they were most assuredly completed before the close of the first century and written by eyewitnesses or under the direction of eyewitnesses.
carm.org/when-were-gospels-written-and-by-whom
Faye Lewis I appreciate all the details. Did Mark say that he got his source to write the gospel from Peter?
Did Luke say he got his source from Paul? Because Luke clearly states how he was inspired to write his gospel in Luke 1:3. He claimed that he wrote his gospel based on what he heard.
Matthew didn’t write the gospel according to Matthew. Read Mathew chapter 9 or just read Matthew 9:9.
@@eismc2518 Perhaps you should read the book, 'Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus,' by Nabeel Qureshi. He went around the world seeking evidence for the validity of the Bible and the Quran.
Mark's source was Peter, who was an eyewitness.
Matthew is speaking in the third person here.
Matthew 9:9 As Jesus went on from there, He saw a man called Matthew, sitting in the tax collector’s booth; and He *said to him, “Follow Me!” And he got up and followed Him.
I don't think any of the gospels were written in the first person.
Papias, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Eusebius, and Origen all affirm Matthean authorship.
While Matthew did not sign his own name to “his” gospel, the early church uniformly attested to the apostle’s authorship of the book. As early as AD 140, a Christian named Papias wrote that Matthew had compiled the sayings of the Lord in Hebrew (presumably before Matthew translated them into Greek for a larger audience).
Matthew’s name appears in all the biblical lists of the twelve apostles, though Mark and Luke refer to him as Levi. His history as a tax collector distinguished him from the other apostles, and immediately after his call to follow Jesus-an event he recorded in Matthew 9:9-Matthew hosted a feast for Jesus in his home with an invitation list made up of Matthew’s sinful friends. Apparently Matthew did not think it odd that Jesus and he would associate with the sinful and downtrodden of society.
@UCov5KvGSKx7dkZiBOagURfw All I know is that you have an appointment with death and an appointment with God. Jesus said the only way you will ever get into heaven is through Jesus Christ.
Because God is just, He will punish sin-regardless of how well you keep the Five Pillars of Islam.
As a Muslim, you long to reach paradise after you die. But as a sinner, how will you escape God’s judgment? You may think, “My faithfulness in keeping the Five Pillars may outweigh my sins. Hopefully, God will admit me to paradise.”
You strive to keep the Five Pillars of Islam. Five times a day you kneel toward Mecca. The creed (shahada) often forms on your lips. You bring no bread or water to your mouth during the daylight of Ramadan. You are saving up money for the pilgrimage to Mecca and are freely giving alms to the poor.
But still you question, “Is keeping the Five Pillars enough?”
Your conscience convicts you of failing God’s standard of holiness. How could the holy God accept to paradise someone stained with even a little sin?
Only one sin caused the first man’s downfall. Adam’s sin was not a “big sin” like adultery, murder, or blasphemy. By eating the forbidden fruit, Adam brought the curse of sin and death into the world.
Shall we escape? We who have dishonored our parents, lied to our neighbors, or cheated our customers (Exodus 20)? We sin routinely by putting selfish interests ahead of loving God (Matthew 22:36-40). We proudly overlook or excuse our sins. But God does not overlook or excuse any sin. He will judge every thought, word, and deed (Ecclesiastes 12:14; Matthew 12:36; Revelation 20:12-15).
God is a righteous Judge. Even on earth, a judge must punish sinners. A judge cannot pardon someone who has stolen just because the criminal claims to visit the mosque every Friday and fast during Ramadan. If sin goes unpunished, the law would be disregarded, and God would be dishonored.
God is the just Judge and will not let sin go unpunished, regardless of how well you keep God’s laws or how many good deeds you do. Keeping the Five Pillars of Islam cannot get you to heaven. You are a sinner according to God’s Word (Romans 3:23; 1 John 1:8).
The punishment for our sin is death-eternal death in hell. Our rightful home is hell. We need God’s mercy. But how can God be both merciful and just?
The Bible explains how God’s mercy fits with His justice: “For by works of the law no human being will be justified in [God’s] sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it-the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe” (Romans 3:20-22a).
Keeping the law cannot get us to heaven. Instead, the law reveals our sin. God’s justice requires eternal death in hell for sin, but His mercy provides eternal life in heaven through faith in Jesus. “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23).
As the eternal Son of God, Jesus is one with God the Father. God sent His Son to earth to become man, but Jesus never ceased being God. Born by the power of the Holy Spirit to the virgin Mary, Jesus didn’t inherit Adam’s sin nature. Jesus is called the second Adam (1 Corinthians 15:22). While Adam’s one disobedience brought the curse of sin on the world, Jesus’ perfect life brings the hope of paradise to those who trust in Him.
Jesus took the punishment for sin-death-by dying on the cross on behalf of believing sinners. Then, Jesus rose from the dead, showing He conquered sin and death.
Don’t try to take care of sin on your own. Even keeping the Five Pillars of Islam, you will still fall short of God’s perfection. Turn from sin in repentance and turn to Jesus in faith (Luke 24:46-47; Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3:21-31; Galatians 3:6-14). God forgives believing sinners and gives them eternal life in heaven.
God may be working in your heart, showing you your sin and need for Jesus. Receive God’s gift of eternal life! Trust Jesus as your crucified Savior and follow Him as your resurrected Lord!
@@fayelewis5476 Have you looked into the editorial fatigue argument for Marcan priority? This article makes a very strong case for it.
isthatinthebible.wordpress.com/2015/03/10/how-editorial-fatigue-shows-that-matthew-and-luke-copied-mark
really good work there!
All religious arguments are basically. "My holy book can so beat up your holy book!" An all powerful god doesn't need a book. He can put his word directly in our hearts. Instead we observe that one's beliefs about gods are highly correlated with one's culture, and our understanding comes mostly from what we are taught by flawed men, rather than by some all knowing being.
So where's the truth? Sure I perceive truth, so do you, but what's the real truth?
6:27. Is where I stopped because I would expect the face of a channel to have thoughts and not read everything. The Bible warns against lying. The Book of Mormon doesn't say what you said it does about skin color. It says what you were claiming was a refutation of it.
@tapir rider She claimed The Book of Mormon teaches that the skin color itself is what is dirty. If that were the case there would be no heroes, including a prophet, who were dark skinned. King Lamoni is portrayed in a positive way and he is Lamanite (the people marked with a "skin of blackness".) Samuel the Lamanite was a prophet who Jesus thought was important enough to scold people who didn't record his fulfilled prophecy and other teachings. Abish was a Lamanite (dark skinned) woman who was converted to the Lord. The people of Anti-Nephi-Lehi were Lamanites who were dark skinned. The 2000 warriors led by Helaman were ethnically Lamanites (dark skinned) and heroes. Shortly before the Savior's birth the Lamanites were more righteous than the Nephites and still physically dark. Any honest reader can see when the Lamanites became a dark, filthy, and loathesome people it means spiritually dark. That word is used in the same sense by Syndrome in The Incredibles movie. When Mr. Incredible threatened to break Mirage's body, Syndrome said, "That seems kind of dark for you."
@tapir rider The curse was being cut off from the Lord. The people of anti-Nephi-Lehi were no longer cut off from the Lord. People saying things has nothing to do with what is in the book when Jessie is accusing the specific book of something.
@tapir rider I'm an adult not a young teenager. I know what is happening.
"White" didn't have the racial meaning it does to us when The Book of Mormon was written. A "white and delightsome people" is a spiritually pure people.
That quote from Spencer W Kimball about the specific family is an example of a misunderstanding because we aren't perfect.
The Book of Mormon is an actual record fo an actual ancient people.
@tapir rider I never said anything about your children's age. Thanks for showing how vindictive, immature, and hateful those who fight against the church are.
Everybody else, read The Book of Mormon for yourself instead of trusting tapir rider. You will find a book which has an awkwardness that matches a book etched onto metal plates in one language and translated into another language. You will find a book which lacks details about somethings. Those details are probably in the stolen pages, which were stolen before it was printed. You will feel The Holy Ghost testifying of the truthfulness of the book.
Tapir rider, immature rude insult. Immature rude insult. Immature rude insult. Immature ride insult. Immature rude insult. It was hard but I found a way to insult you more than you did to me, that means I win the argument. Or does it?
@tapir rider You accused me of youthful ignorance or stupidity. I comment about my age. There is nothing about your children in that. Thanks for helping me decide to stay with Jesus Christ. I don't find a liar more appealing than Jesus Christ.
You told me nothing new in these posts. I've heard it all before. That is why you aren't convincing me. You are a broken record.
It is a logical fallacy to accuse another person of not thinking because they disagree with you.
If someone reads The Book of Mormon without a bias against it, they will see it is everything it claims to be. Such a person will get close to Jesus because The Book of Mormon is full of Him. If someone reads The Bible without preconcieved notions they won't see the plausibility of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' teachings.
If you really believe God doesn't lie, you will trust Him. Asking someone is something you do if that person can be trusted.
I learned some new things today. Thank you.
I have a question so according to teh Mormons, they believe that the purpose of the temple is that we can Baptist those who died without being baptized. So you (the living ) will give a name of your great grand parents and you (the living) will be baptized on behalf of them. Guys help me here where in the Bible does it say so?
@@naomirachel1755 It doesnt. The dead cannot be baptised. If you depart this life having rejected Jesus then Jesus will deny that person before the Father. There can't be any saving after death. Once the doors are closed thats it.
The act of baptising the dead is a vain act. It does nothing. God did not command it. It is an ancient Egyptian practice. Mormons revived it.
Left the CHURCH, due to extreme lack of knowledge, rebellious, refused to repent from personal sins, now up for riches & honor.
Good morning Jessie. I am watching our General Conference of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and felt inspired to invite you to listen along. I hope you will find a Spirit of peace with your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. I pray you will listen to learn before you listen to disprove. I am grateful for the Spirit of Jesus Christ to testify and teach us all individually. I know you feel truth in your heart which is why you have created this channel. I pray that you might share the truth that strengthens your faith and be more mindful in the ways you speak about my faith I hold so dear. I know Jesus is the Christ. Come and listen to a Prophet’s voice. It is not my job to convert you or change your heart. The Spirit does that. I love you as a sister in Christ. God is good and loving to all of His children.
I appreciate your kindness! My next video is about the LGBT ban that was lifted in the General Conference and many other changes your church is going through under the name of "revelation." Although Mormons believe they follow the same God and Jesus that Christians do, it is simply not the case. We are not sisters in Christ, I'm afraid. That breaks my heart. But we can be if you would only open your eyes and come to know the one and only true God of the Bible. The Jesus of the Bible is the only One who can save your soul. The false Jesus of the LDS church is Lucifer's older brother and not the eternal God. The Heavenly Father of the Bible is not the God of the Bible or of Moroni 8:18 or 2 Nephi 31:21 but is the god of Joseph Smith's King Follett Discourse where Joseph declared that supposing God was God of all eternity was false.. he said he would take away the veil so you can see.. God was once a man just like us who was exalted into godhood.. we too have to learn to become gods ourselves. Blasphemy. That is the false Mormon god, in an infinity of plural gods.. completely contradicting the Bible and blaspheming the one true God. Russell Nelson is not a prophet. He is a business man. I pray that you will read the New Testament of the Bible (not the LDS Bible that gives commentary on the Bible so you will read it with the false message they teach) but the raw, true Word of God that will show you so clearly who Jesus is and what Biblical Salvation is. The LDS "plan of Salvation" is in total contradiction to the Bible as well. No, not every soul is "saved" (meaning resurrected) as a result of the atonement. Salvation is ONLY for those who place their trust in Jesus Christ alone for Salvation and we are saved through FAITH. Ephesians 2:8-9. All others will go to Hell. I will pray right now that you will come to know God and will get truly (Biblically) saved. Mormonism won't save you, my friend. It is a lie.
It's Me Jessie until we meet again, I wish you well.
❤️ Your Sister in Christ
32 years of my reading, seaching the truthfuness of the book of mormon i never see any contradiction in the bible.what this Lady, saying in this vedeo i already heard to my old pastor friends 20 years ago and its already answered.was this Lady teach Love in their Chuch were she belong? Or she really a true Christian? Why is it she's telling, sharing this video cretizising the Restored Church of Jesus Chist? What is the Fruit of the Spirit? (Gal.5:22-23) Love, Joy, Peace...Goodness, Faith...against such there is no law.
@@arthursaulda8626 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
- Article of Faith #3
Book of Mormon For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.
- 2 Nephi 25:23
"One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God; that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation," (Miracle of Forgiveness, Spencer W. Kimball, p. 206).
THE BIBLE
Eph. 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and [h]that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
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Jesus' sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, 1856, p. 247).
THE BIBLE
I John 1:7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another,
and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
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Good works are necessary for salvation (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 92).
THE BIBLE
Romans 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
Titus 3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
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There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 188).
THE BIBLE
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."
- John 14:6
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"This grace is an enabling power that allows men and women to lay hold on eternal life and exaltation after they have expended their own best efforts," (LDS Bible Dictionary, p. 697).
THE BIBLE
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
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There is no salvation outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Mormon Doctrine, p.670).
THE BIBLE
And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name (Jesus) under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.
- Acts 4:12
The LDS cult was based on Joseph Smith's musings while wandering with his seer stone! I pray that you will seek the TRUE Jesus Christ as he is the only way!! Joseph Smith's jesus is a brother to Lucifer and NOT the true redeemer!! Faith alone through Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior is the ONLY way to eternal salvation!!
Deuteronomy 12:32
“Everything that I command you, you shall be careful to do. You shall not add to it or take from it.
Once I read this verse then what possible could u say to make me want to study the Book of Mormon
@@beediggity797 somewhat agree, but it doesn’t make the bom or boa true. They make historical and translation claims that can be tested. The people of the bom did not exist on this continent and the boa is a false translation of common Egyptian funerary papyrus. Don’t need confirmation from any god to check that.
huh?
So this verse doesn’t say anything about the Book of Mormon or other scriptures 😂😂 if you take this verse out of context like you are, then the rest of the books after Deuteronomy are invalid.
The book of Mormon mentions we need to become like little children 4 times, three in 3Nephi and one in Mosiah. This teaching reinforces a subject lightly touched by the gospels. There are zero contradictions between the book of Mormon and the Bible.
Yes there is right off the top my head
Faith in Jesus Christ justify Grace
Mormon Doctrine
Your save by Grace after all you can do
I testify Smith was wrong. It is a gift not of works
Uh...what about that mormon's belief that they can become gods !! That's just 1 out of 1000!!
No Christian cares what the BOM says
You havedone a very good job comparing Mormonism to sacred Scripture.
However, in your own statement of faith you stated that you believe you are saved by faith ALONE.
Aside from the fact that Martin Luther literally added the word "Alone" to the text of Romans 1;17. Changing the text from the origional Greek "The just shall live by faith" to the Lutheran version "The just shall live by faith alone". Quite a significant difference. (I do speak German, and this addition is present in my own Luther translation.)
This is in stark opposition to the Teachings of James, and Peter. Which lead me to wonder if anything I believed was actually germain to the origional yeachings of Our Lord himself.
I now believe that we should not just compare our beliefs merely to scripture, but actually ascertain that what our beliefs are, are in accordance with the actual beliefs of the Apostles themselves. ALONG with making sure that these things are also origional to the direct teachings of Christ Himself. I no longer affirm my beliefs to "The Bible " but rather I look to the Bible to check what i believe against what it's Spirit led Authors also believed.
This methodology clears up a lot of confusion. It also sent me to a place which I didnt really want to go, but i was left with no other choice.
Faith in Jesus Christ IS all that is necessary to receive eternal life!
That must be why James said that Faith without works is dead.
Jesus said, "If any man desire to follow me, let him deny himself, tak up his cross and follow me." That sure sounds like work to me.
I'm not trying to be argumentative here. But just because someone who we trust tells us something doesnt make it so. I was born and raised Seventh Day Adventist. Everybody i knew taught me Adventist doctrine. But it is at least as heretical as Mormonism.
Learning of their lies i jumped right into Calvinism Southern Baptist to be exact.
But there were so many things i read in scripture which i still couldnt wiggle out of.
For instance 1Timothy 2;15. Please explain THAT one away. I never could. But the one thing you simply cannot deny once you study the subject, is the death and resurrection of Jesus. Upon that we stand. And our lives are changed by it. This effects a change of heart which demands that we act upon it. Works again. (But not works of the Jewish law)
Great video!
Psalms 51:5 Behold, i was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
😂😂😂 The first one!!
That’s where I stoped and couldn’t stop laughing!
I have two kids and I’m sure anyone out there with kids would find this funny too..
Mum; “Did you draw on the wall”??
Child; “NO”!
(Holding crayons behind their backs lol)
And than throwing their siblings under the bus.. “Rick did it, I swear”!!
Um.. ‘Thy shall not lie’??
That’s hilarious!!
Haha.. kids. So adorable and soooo bad, even in their young innocence. 😉
Precious but naughty!!
Many ignore though how much the Bible actually contradicts itself all over the place.
@@SimonDaumMusic if you study it out and compare the supposed contradictions with intellectual honesty, it always comes out as truth and doesn't contradict at all. Verses pulled randomly out of context will seemingly contradict. But once you dive into study to see if the contradictions are valid, the answer is always, "no." The Bible doesn't contradict and always has a satisfactory answer.
@@itsmejessie Hey Jessie, thanks for your response, I really appreciate it.
I want to be very clear, I believe in God. I believe that God is perfect, and that there literally is nothing besides God that is as perfect as he is, which means yes, the more honest we approach people, churches and the scriptures, the more mistakes, errors and contradictions we will find.
But at the same time, the more we turn to God, use the spiritual discernment Jesus thaught, the deeper the layers of truth that will unfold to us, not because the scriptures are perfect, but because God is, meaning, God can and does teach truth through imperfect means, which does include the Book of Mormon.
//CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE
The idea that there are no contradictions in the Bible is actually nothing the ancients, nor the early church fathers like Martin Luther, Calvin, John Christosum, Jerome or Origin embraced. They all admitted that there are contradictions, whether it be in regards to the resurrection, the cruxifixion, times and places, or other discrepancies we know are in the gospels. They didnt even make a big deal out of things like Matthew quoting Zechariah, whilst saying he is quoting Jeremiah, and so forth.
That the Bible is inerrant and univocal actually is a rather modern innovation from the 19th century, and mainly served as a attempt to push back against the liberalism and the rationalism of the Enlightenment, to ensure the power of the Bible, the church, and authority over science and rationalism.
Questions we have to ask ourselves are, what is the whole point of the BIble being inerrant, if people that embrace this doctrine prove all over the place to still end up with different doctrines.
Also the question needs to be asked, what does the doctrine of the inerrancy actually make out of the atonement of Christ? Does it not mean that his atonement, as well as eternal life is now limited only to those who have the proper, doctrinal understanding of God from the Bible?
The way I read the Bible, eternal life is not so much depending on a proper doctrinal understanding, but much more depends on "knowing God". Knowing everything about God, getting every doctrine right, even having faith and good works, doesnt equal "knowing God" though, according to Paul.
//WHY INERRANCY IS HARMFUL
The reasons why the doctrine of the inerrancy of the Bible is harmful is for one, because in the end it causes people to raise up their own interpretation to now represend Gods spiritally objective standart where now nothing can challenge or question it, neither science, nor common sense, nor the Bible itself.
I literally talked to hundrets of evangelivals over the past years, and the common premise was always that reality was always shaped by the Bible alone, instead of shaping reality and a proper understanding of the Bible by the facts, the data and the proper historical and social background.
How the Bible started to get interpreted over the past few hundret years has now become inerrant over how the ancients actually meant it.
Secondly, embracing the idea of the Bible being inerrant means that when we read that God condones slavery, as laid out in Leviticus, or even commands to kill all the Canaanites merely because they were living in the wrong spot of the land (because other nations around and even Israel itself committed just the very same sins, and were still not plotted out, so much to there being no favorism in the Bible), then we now cannot question God, cannot question the Bible, because every word of the Bible is the perfectly inspired word of God (though inspired, or God-breathed, anciently rather carried the meaning of being enlivening and refreshing, and was also used in regards to ointmends, springs of water and even sandals).
But truth is, science knows that the Canaanite cities never experience that invation and desctruction, and we also know that ancient Israel was a tribe that loved telling exaggerated stories about their God, and so now we see the benefit of admitting mistakes, errors and human influence into the Bible, because we get many answer, to many questions that dont force us to make evil things good, just because we believe they originate from God.
Mayby even more important, allowing all the facts and data into our lifes, at the same time applying the only spiritually objective means of discernment Jesus thaught, helps us to uncover the deeper layers of truth, and by doing so discovering the power and beauty of God despite obvious errors and mistakes.
And that allowes the atonement of Christ to now work on a much larger scale, because now eternal life is not just limited to those with a proper doctrinal understanding from the Bible alone, but rather offers it to all those that "know God":
Where I agree with you is when you said that "the Bible always has a satisfactory answer", and that actually is part of the problem, because you can literally find verses to support all sorts of opinions, and then claim it being inerrant. A most simplified example of this is Proverbs 26, where you read in verse 4 that "you are not to answer a fool", and in verse 5 that you "are to answer a fool".
What this proves is that it needs far more than just the Bible. The Bible on its own fails as spiritually objective means to discern spiritual truth. History proves it, and people today prove it. So even if we ignored all the contradictions we have, and I could name endlessly many examples of that, people would still end up contradicting themselves.
//CONTRADICTIONS BIBLE and BOOK OF MORMON
So just as we find contradictions between people believing in the inerrancy of the Bible, and just as we find contradictions in the Bible itself, so will we find contradictions between the Book of Mormon and the Bible. But, many of the contradictions you bring up are only contradictions because of what people already expect when engaging with the text.
For example 2 Nephi 25:23.
Evangelicals love to bring thise verse up to prove how the Book of Mormon teaches a works based salvation, and yes, there have been a few church leaders and members that have used this scripture in that manner, but its not at all what it teaches if we care about the context.
Nephi teaches 600 B.C. specifically to his bretheren and chidlren in regards to the law of Moses, and how Jesus will eventually come to fulfill the law of Moses, so that THEY will eventually also receive grace, but how they are commanded to observe the law of Moses.
In other words, Nephi is teaching that "THEY will eventually be saved by grace, once Christ has come to fulfill the mosaic law, after all THEY can do, which was to keep obeying the dead, works based law of Moses.
If suffices to look a little deeper, to read the surrounding verses, to read the whole Book of Mormon, and people will understand that the Book of Mormon doesnt teach a works based salvation as evangelicals think it does. The same applies to Moroni, by the way.
In addition to that, during the time of Joseph Smith the phrase "being saved by grace after all we can do" was used in many literary works as well as by other Christians, and not in one instance meant a works based salvation, but rather was used in the sense "being saved by grace despite all we can do":
Context really matters, and that also applies to Ephesians 2.
It would take to much place and time to get into that now, and if you say you would like to hear my viewpoint on why I dont believe Paul is saying here that works dont matter, let me know, and I am happy to do so from the Bible alone.
// CONCLUSION
As I see it, a very honest approach of the Bible means that people will see contradictions, errors and mistakes, and yet still discover the power and beauty of God in it.
Also, people will also see differences between the Bible and the Book of Mormon, but the more they know God, the more they apply spiritual discernment, the more they can and still will discvoer God in both books.
The more people enagage with the true meaning of the text, engage with the context, the more they will find God in it. God is not limited to one book, one religion, one narrow doctrinal interpretation of God, but instead people will understand that God lierally is truth, and that everything that is truth will lead people unto Christ, and that everything that brings people unto Christ, is good, and therefore of God.
And thats a teaching we find very clearly on both books, the Bible and the Book of Mormon. Yes, people can deny this and try to discprove it, but Jesus was very clear, whatsoever brings forth the "good fruit", is of God, and who are we to deny it when we know its happening?
@@itsmejessie Some other thoughts, and unfortunatly I lack time to go through all of them, are..
// CHILDREN NO CAPABLE TO COMMIT SIN
I think it is obvious that the very reason why children cannot commit sin, is not that they are without sin by anture, but rather because "they are all alive in Christ because of his mercy" (Moroni 8:19), because God "redeemd then from the foundation of the world through Jesus" D&C 29:46-47, them being made"holy through the atonement of Christ (D&C 74:7).
I think alone the fact that children are in need ot the atonement and Gods mercies clearly implies that children can sin. So, the reason they cannot commit sin is because God will not account it as sin, and with that we need to understand Moroni 8:8 in its proper context.
// ADAM AND EVE
The Bible itself actually offers contradictive creation acounts. For example, where Adam and Eve created simultanously, or one after the other? Also, the earlier creation acount (Genesis 2:4 to end of chapter 2), composed around the 7th century BCE, presents God as very anthropomorphic and corpreal who forme creation as one does with clay, while the later, priestly account, (1 Gen. -2:4), actually is correcting and supplanting the earlier creation account, because the earlier account presents God as ahving to take a few tries to get things right, like creating the male human, then thinking Adam needs something more, so lets make some animals, which is not working for Adam, so, lets make a women, etc.
In the priestly account though, everything is good as soon as it is created, and its also here both are created simulatiously. In other words, the text is not univocal.
Apart from that, yes, the Book of Mormon does teach differences to the Bible, as does the Bible offer differences as shown above, and so I am not sure pointing out differences perse proves either book perfectly right or wrong.
To me it seems clear that Adam and Eve did rebell, and God knew they would rebel, and therefore its God that clearly gives power and meaning to whatever choice Adam and Eve came up with. Important to me is the power and perfection of God, not so much whether they mayby could not have multiplied in the Garden of Eden.
After all it was God who created all the possibilities with the outcome we got today, right?
//WHITE SKINNED PEOPLE SUPERIOUR TO BACK SKINNED PEOPLE
Now I think there is a little double stanart here, because in that sense you could also argue that he biblical patriarchs were racist when it came to their pagan neighbors, the Hittites, the Canaanites, and the Amorites, and did not want their offspring to marry these unbelievers. Or how only the Levites were permitted to hild the priesthood.
The Book of Mormon itself was not so much about Skin Colour. For example, once the Lamanites had been converted to the Nephite religion, the barriers separating these people dissolved. Even before they were converted, the Nephites considered the Lamanites to be “brethren,” a term used more than fifty times in reference to the Lamanites in the Book of Mormon. This is hardly a term that one would expect to find in a society that holds racist views of a neighboring people.
And within the Book of Mormon itself, the Lamanites often times were the good guys, and the Nephites the bad guys.
I absolutly think the priesthood ban was bad and wrong thing, lets be honest about that. But when we compare the Bible with the Book of Mormon, we have the Book of Mormon end up less racist then the Bible, even have the Book of Mormon, specifically Nephi who first write about the "skin of balackness", also write that God accepts all, also "black and white", who are willing to come unto him.
The Book of Mormon makes it clear that the color of one’s skin has no bearing on one’s status as a righteous or sinful person. Nephi, the son of Helaman, declared to the Nephites,
"For behold, thus saith the Lord: I will not show unto the wicked of my strength, to one more than the other, save it be unto those that repent of their sins, and hearken unto my words. Now therefore, I would that ye should behold, my brethren, that it shall be better for the Lamanites than for you except ye shall repent. For behold, they are more righteous than you, for they have not sinned against that great knowledge which ye have received; therefore the Lord will be merciful unto them; yea, he will lengthen out their days and increase their seed, even when thou shalt be utterly destroyed except thou shalt repent."
I could go on and on about every point you bring up, showing that its not all as black and white as you think things are.. And I think we need to turn away from that kind of black and white thinking, starting to care more about context and the true meaning of things, because in the end that will prove the power and beauty of God.
Mormons can and do come unto Christ, the idea they get everything wrong, or at least wrong enough to not be able to come unto Christ, while all Christians have that perfect, univocal and all time inerrant truth, simply isnt how it works. What it mostly does is to limit down Gods power and beauty to call pure whatsoever brings forth the good fruits, and I guess thats the whole point of me even responding.
@@SimonDaumMusic hi! Thank you for your response as well. And thanks for using kindness and tact. I have to wholeheartedly disagree with the Bible having any contradictions or flaws. It is God's written and active, LIVING Word. It's how God speaks to us. If God is perfect, His Word has to be perfect. He cannot use fallacy, as He is perfect and Holy. God is truth. God's Word is truth. So if we cannot trust the Bible, we cannot trust God. The comment about Luther and others admitting to discrepancies in the Bible is a false statement. Bible Scholars and Theologians can address topics with apparent contradiction but the supposed contradictions are always worked out and solved in a way that proved no contradiction whatsoever. The 4 Gospels have variations, as they were penned by 4 different disciples of Jesus. They were eye-witnesses to these events. And yet, all of their Gospels are united and in agreement upon further study. Two very important resources I have found on this topic are these: Evidence that Demands a Verdict by Josh and Sean McDowell. It's a book that lays the foundation for the overwhelming evidence (apologetics) found in Christianity. The other resource I like is Cold Case Christianity by J Warner Wallace where he dives into the various Gospel accounts to investigate whether or not there are actual contradictions and also, to verify the validity of the Resurrection. It's some powerful stuff. I don't hold a blind faith as a born again Christian. I serve a God who I can trust wholeheartedly. And He speaks through his written, inerrant Word which changes lives eternally.
@@itsmejessie Thank you Jessie, absolutly, I think we have to engage with these things kindly, or we prove a fraud right away.
But how do you explain all the factual contradictions in the Bible in reagrds to times and places? Or would you even say these are not present in the Bible?
And how do you explain that so many that share your believe of the Bible being inerrant, still fight and argue over so many vital doctrines?
I literally have talked to hundrets of Evangelicals over the past years, and most of them say the same thing you do about the inerrancy of the Bible, but still have very different doctrinal understandings of God, the Bible and Salvation.
And how would you explain that if God only works through the Bible, that he can keep his promise to offer salvation to all mankind? Because most of humanity never came accross the Bible, and even fewer share the same doctrine.
I guess the very essential question it all comes down to is how we can truly know what is of God and what not. I believe the Bible teaches a spiritually obective way how we can know, but it excludes the doctrine of the Bible being inerrant.
We agree, yes, God is perfect, and we also agree that "gods word" is perfect, but to me "the word" is above all a reference to Jesus, and to "know God" is not dependent upon perfectly knowing doctrine.
Paul, in 1 Corint. 13 pointed out very clearly that even if you have faitih, works, and all the gifts of the spirit, knowing all of Gods mysteries, that doesn mean you actually "know God".
To know God literally means to "love" (1 John 4:8), and to know God literally means to obtain eternal life (John 17;3).
On the other hand, when Jesus was asked about eternal life, he gave us the parable of the good Samaritan. The Jews actually considered the Samaritans to be pagans, to err in doctrine, to worship false Gods, and yet the Samaritan was the one whom Christ considered to be good, not because of his faith, nor because of his works, but because he brought forth mercy and charity from a pure hear.
Evangelicals often share a very similar view about Mormons, them getting the scritptures wrong, worshipping a false gospel and Jesus.
You left Mormonism, and you found God, and now you see many contradictions and errors in the LDS faith, and yes, there are errors and contradictions, but just as you can make sense of all the clear contradictions in the Bible, so has the Book of Mormon unfolded to me in very similar ways, as I laid out in my response to 2 Nephi 25:23..
The thing is, you will always have Chistians disagree on doctrines, whether throughout history, or whether it be today.
But what will eventually lead people to eternal life is the good fruit of "knowing God", as we see with the parable of the good Samaritan, and not so much focusing on the leter, but rather on the spirit.
I dont deny that you truly "know God", but I think you err to believe that "Mormons" cannot know God in the same manner, for this has been and yet still is my experience.
But its not exclusive to Mormons either. Eternal life isnt so much about religion or doctrine, its above all about "knowing God".
And the difference that makes it to me is that people can know God throghout all history, all places, all times. It is not limited to a slect few that happened to have the fortune to come accross the Bible and get it the right way.
Amen. Good Work
I pray for them. Jesus made the Gospel so simple. And Man turns around and pollutes
the simplicity.
Please share this video! We need Christians rising up and doing this sort of work!
m.th-cam.com/video/CUtaUg1sJQs/w-d-xo.html
Yes, the Book of Mormon teaches that actually. Nephi often talks about how he glorifies in plainness for Christ teachings are simple. It also talks about how the jews complicate things and pollute his word. The Book of Mormon is the word of Christ. I promise you this. Read 2 nephi chapter 33 verse 10 and pray about it. I promise that you will recieve an answer that the Book of Mormon is true according to your faith. Please pray and read that verse. Maybe even the whole chapter. You can just look it up on google
@@protectpreservetheunborn4104
I have read all Smith's books and it's Fiction at best. You can draw a good feeling from almost anything and Satan can deliver a good feeling.. How ever Jerimiah tells us
the heart can be deceitful. Jerimiah 17:9
I'm not trying to trash you. But Mormon Theology is not the God or Jesus of the Bible. You have to asked yourself, Why there is no real evidence of these Civilizations
if great battles happen on Hill Cumorah
Why not excavate the Hill ? If the plates were real then we would find real evidence
on the Hill. Your Leaders will not do it. Why ?
Cause there is nothing there.
You my friend are in a counterfeit gospel
It is not of God. It is an invention of man
It is a Work to get to be a god.
It says God is an exalted Man
It claims there was a premortal existence
That we were all spirit babies
That means Christ and Lucifer are brothers
John 1:1 Did John Lie ? But the scriptures tell us Jesus Christ created all things
All you have to do is come to Christ
Have Faith in the Biblical Jesus, and only him and you my friend will experience true
Spiritual Grace
I will pray for you my misguided friend
The book of Mormon teaches that man becomes god and that is the same thing that satan teaches in the garden. Eat the fruit and you will become like God.
@@skypimp3409 the Book of Mormon does not teach it. By that statement it is clear you have not read the book. We do not believe that we will be Gods, in fact all of those theories are not canon in our doctrine at all. There are many theories that mormons have about what exaltation will be like and one is that we can become as God. Jesus concluded the sermon on the mount with be ye therefore perfect as your father who is in heaven. Through His grace, through the atonement, maybe eventually we will be made perfect. God is perfect. So maybe we will be like God, but never be God. Again, our religion does not teach this so these are all just theories so it's not fair to criticize us for something we don't believe. Please don't fall for lies on the internet. Attend one of our meetings. Read the Book of Mormon. You will come to understand that so many lies are spread about us
Hallelujah Jessie
I want to take the time to tell you thank you for creating this video. It is very informative. As I have left the Mormon church three years ago. My wife is still very deeply interested in the Mormon church. I do not know if I will be able to break Satan’s hold on her. I do know that the Lord our God will fight our battles. Thank you for taking the time
Devin Huhta, see if you can challenge your wife to watch this video to the end and tell you why it can't possibly be true.
Watch "The Bible vs Joseph Smith" on TH-cam
th-cam.com/video/nWyMj2LWge4/w-d-xo.html
Thre facts are presented in an amazingly loving way.
So for your first point, are you saying that children go to hell even though they die? When said he'll see his child, that could be implying that he believes he's going to hell too
No, although Mormonism teaches that David did not eternally make it to Heaven, the Bible teaches otherwise. And I definitely believe that Biblically we can conclude that babies and very small children who die before being able to comprehend Biblical Salvation go to Heaven. This includes babies who are aborted in the womb.
Thank you very much Jessie. Nice job in the researching of Book of Mormon and the Holy Bible. Love it when God and Jesus Christ refer to the King of Kings and Prince of Prince.
Psalm 51:5 makes no sense when written by someone who Commited Adultery and Murder like David did. so Children do not sin when they are borned.
What about the curse of Ham in the old testament? Didn't God darken his skin as punishment? Or am I off on that? Thanks for clarification.
No, no where in the Bible does it talk about skin color as a curse. That only occurs in the Book of Mormon and Abraham.
@@shawnbradford2243 Jesus/Jehovah cursed the Hamites. He also refused to bless a Hamite child. Why?
My church has an outreach for X-Mormon-Seekers. Our commitment is to lead them to the true Jesus Christ. Most LDS know there are major issues with their cult but they like the social aspect LDS offers. Believers need to love them where they are.
Were you once a Mormon?
@@alannahmay3823 No, but LDS missionaries came to me in 1986 and asked me to read the BoM; I did and knew it was fake. They became my mission field since then.
3. Idk why Protestants are OK with Cain getting cursed by God, but somehow it's not OK for God to put a curse on the lamanites. Why people always have issue with this is odd. Especially with what is stated in 2 nephi 26:33 "[God] inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile"
4. "By grace were saved after all we can do" isn't even far off from what you teach either. Paul and nephi are speaking to two different audience's. Paul to converted Christians, nephi to those who haven't converted yet. So we have to determine what does "all we can do" mean. It doesn't mean works. Check out what is said by these converts in Alma "behold, it has been all that we could doto repent of all our sins... it was all we could do to repent sufficiently before God that he would take away our stain" so what does "all we can do" mean? It means to repent. So rewrite it and it actually says "it is by grace we are saved after we repent" is that really any different than what you already teach? No that's the same thing. That's why it's hilarious when Protestants proof text this and say it's a contradiction.
the mormon belief that the curse of the lamanites was black skin and that they were a dark lazy filthy and loathsome people is held all the way through to the end of the book of mormon.
statement made by Elder Kimball in the October 1960 General Conference, 15 years before he became president of the Church:
I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation. [1]
President Kimball felt that the Indians were becoming a “white and delightsome” people through the power of God as a result their acceptance of the Gospel.
the mormon belief that dark skin is a curse was fine in the 19th century. a lot of people believed that way, but it has no place in the 21st century.
I like what you’re pointing out. But you can’t leave out the irony that God had to put temptation in the garden in the first place knowing what the outcome is going to be and you say Mormons don’t make sense most of Christian doctrine don’t make sense unless you are indoctrinated and have A twisted understanding on what love really is
Christianity doesn't make sense to you because you don't take the time to understand it.
I can help you understand but I'll let u know that modern christianity is for sure not found in the bible
Jane Berghaus You only understand it because you’ve been brainwashed
@@AzraelAngelofMelancholy Have you taken the time to understand it?
As for only having one high priest at a time a simple google search would debunk that idea. 2 Chronicles 31 mentions a list of high priest that were all called within the house of King Hezekiah. verses 10 mentions Azariah as the chief priest, but then in verses 13 it says that Jehiel, and Azaziah, and Nahath, and Asahel, and Jerimoth, and Jozabad, and Eliel, and Ismachiah, and Mahath, and Benaiah, are all under the hand of Cononiah and Shimei who are also high priests. but then still says that Azariah is ruler of the house of God.... and only then does is go on to explain the role of Aaronic or Levitical priesthood holders in that time.
You can't just disregard Luke 3:2 as being a corruption of mosaic law... those keeping the record knew the law better than the Pharisees considering that they had Jesus, and even they still called both Annas and Caiaphas both high priest at the same time. Annas being the father in law of Caiaphas has nothing to do with any Jewish of Mosaic calling to any priesthood authority. the way the priesthood was passed down with Jewish tradition was through lineage not inter-marrying family ties. the fact that Caiaphas was the son in law of Annas but was still allowed to be a high priest proves that Caiaphas was already of proper lineage through his own father not because he married Annas' daughter. the political connection would only be relevant in regards to there popularity in political matters. and that is why it mentions them both because Annas being a more politically influential person sought to engage in nepotism in getting his daughters husband also to be popular in politics. both were legitimately high priests in their own right, but because they were now related through marriage they sough to gain political influence together.
It's not that hard to do some research before spouting off easily refutable ideas. I realize that your audience won't do their own research and therefore will not call you out on things, so you don't feel like you even need to do your own research, but seriously. a little doctrinal honesty and integrity would go a long ways, even though I know it would make for some boring content. please don't let the truth get in the way of a good controversial story.
How would you reply to what she is reading from the book of Mormon compared to the bible? Are those not facts written in your book?
@@pablopablo179 if you look at the comment section you'll find that I left multiple comments and discussed those claims as well.
Is it me or Joseph smith's fruits (life) best describes what a false prophet is?:
Matthew 7:15-20
True and False Prophets
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them
God bless you.
Ezekiel 13 New International Version (NIV)
False Prophets Condemned
13 The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying. Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination: ‘Hear the word of the Lord! 3 This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Woe to the foolish[a] prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! 4 Your prophets, Israel, are like jackals among ruins. 5 You have not gone up to the breaches in the wall to repair it for the people of Israel so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the Lord. 6 Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. Even though the Lord has not sent them, they say, “The Lord declares,” and expect him to fulfill their words. 7 Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, “The Lord declares,” though I have not spoken?
8 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: Because of your false words and lying visions, I am against you, declares the Sovereign Lord. 9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign Lord.
10 “‘Because they lead my people astray, saying, “Peace,” when there is no peace, and because, when a flimsy wall is built, they cover it with whitewash, 11 therefore tell those who cover it with whitewash that it is going to fall. Rain will come in torrents, and I will send hailstones hurtling down, and violent winds will burst forth. 12 When the wall collapses, will people not ask you, “Where is the whitewash you covered it with?”
13 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: In my wrath I will unleash a violent wind, and in my anger hailstones and torrents of rain will fall with destructive fury. 14 I will tear down the wall you have covered with whitewash and will level it to the ground so that its foundation will be laid bare. When it[b] falls, you will be destroyed in it; and you will know that I am the Lord. 15 So I will pour out my wrath against the wall and against those who covered it with whitewash. I will say to you, “The wall is gone and so are those who whitewashed it, 16 those prophets of Israel who prophesied to Jerusalem and saw visions of peace for her when there was no peace, declares the Sovereign Lord.”’
17 “Now, son of man, set your face against the daughters of your people who prophesy out of their own imagination. Prophesy against them 18 and say, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Woe to the women who sew magic charms on all their wrists and make veils of various lengths for their heads in order to ensnare people. Will you ensnare the lives of my people but preserve your own? 19 You have profaned me among my people for a few handfuls of barley and scraps of bread. By lying to my people, who listen to lies, you have killed those who should not have died and have spared those who should not live.
20 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against your magic charms with which you ensnare people like birds and I will tear them from your arms; I will set free the people that you ensnare like birds. 21 I will tear off your veils and save my people from your hands, and they will no longer fall prey to your power. Then you will know that I am the Lord. 22 Because you disheartened the righteous with your lies, when I had brought them no grief, and because you encouraged the wicked not to turn from their evil ways and so save their lives, 23 therefore you will no longer see false visions or practice divination. I will save my people from your hands. And then you will know that I am the Lord.’”
@@pablopablo179 not even a little bit. A man that advocated to free the slaves, before it was politically correct, the only Christian religion to promote blacks as active members at the time, the only religion that gave women callings and authorities in the church at that time. Advocated for living the whole gospel of Christ and not just the parts that people wanted to live. Obeyed what God told him even when people didn't like it. Restored the fullness of the gospel even when the Pharisees of his days and the government fought against him. Promoted works supported faith just like in the Bible and not lackadaisical faith like mainstream Christians. What you see as false Christ would view as finally true. You use mainstream Christianity as your standard when you should be using Christ and the apostles. Like the Pharisees, main stream Christianity has fallen short of and corrupted the true and complete gospel of Christ. And just like Christ in his day, Christ in these last days has restored the fullness of the gospel back to the Earth through prophets and apostles just as he did in days of old. Just as mentioned in Ezekiel Joseph was told to call out the false teachings of the preachers of his day and condemn their false ideas and man-made ideas. While you equate Joseph with the false prophets, but I see him as the true prophet called to undo the corruption and misunderstanding of the false preachers (prophets) of his day. You are welcome to hold to that belief but I assure you that it is only hurting your spirituality and ultimately will hold you back from eternal blessings and heavenly inheritance. It's okay that you don't wish to take upon yourself the necessary responsibilities that come with living the fullness of the gospel. God has still prepared a place in his kingdom for you, it just won't be the highest or best place that he has prepared for those who obey all his teachings that the Lord restored and taught through the prophet Joseph Smith.
Hey, Jessie. Why don't you spend a little time talking about contradictions between the Bible and the Bible? There are every bit as many self-contradictions in the Bible as there are contradictions between the Bible and the Book of Mormon. The only difference is that Christians are just, by definition, right about everything related to religion and have no need for introspective, or to look critically at their own religious beliefs and religious history. No, there is absolutely no need for that: The goal is to be critical of other religions while at the same time imagine that their own religious beliefs are incontrovertible and do not need to be questioned at any level. But it's actually not difficult to figure out that Christianity in general has no more merit than the Mormon church. You just have to willing enough and honest enough to look.
I'm game, Where is there contradictions in the Holy Bible ?
@@binren3984 Maybe the most important difference is that God in the Old Testament is completely different from God in the New Testament. Then there are all kinds of little things, like Mary being a virgin, but Jesus' ancestry being traced through Joseph, who wouldn't be Jesus' father if Mary was a virgin.
@@otisdylan9532 Well, it's been a year since I posted my statement.
But I am more than happy to reply to what seems to be Biblical Contradictions.
I run into these questions of contradiction while I myself study the scriptures. My suggestion for you would be like a skeptic reporter in a sense when you run into contradiction and asked WHY and What is the text trying to communicate.
The Bible has stood the test of time of all skeptics since the beginning of time itself. There is nothing new under the sun.
I not writing this to take an attack side I want you to know that from the start.
Your right, quickly looking at the Bible It seems the OT God is not the same as the NT God. That's a position that the Jews take that Jesus was not the Son of God.
I don't take that position cause I believe the NT actually fulfilled OT prophecy and I believe what this old book says that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God. He's our Lord and Saviour. That comes with serious study no matter what position you take.
I understand your point about the John and Mary. It's a good question . Even though John was of the tribe Judah according to scripture he wasn't the biological father.
However, Mary was also of the tribe of Judah.
Also this fulfilled prophecy in Genesis 3 :14-15
The Lord God said to the serpent,
Because you have done this, cursed are you above all livestock and above all beasts of the field; on your belly you shall go and dust shall you eat all the days of your life.
15) I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring
he ( Christ ) shall bruise your head and you shall bruise his (Christ) heel.
Christ's crucifixion and resurrection
was the prophecy that was fulfilled but not finished in Genesis.
That's my take on your concerns.
Just to let you know, there's a lot more going on in the Bible that you won't be taught in church which many find very exciting.
Take care
Peace
@@binren3984 To be clear, my position isn't that because the Bible has contradictions, it therefore has no value. A thing can be quite valuable without being perfect. I think that there are some good things in the Bible, especially in the Gospels. Peace.
@@otisdylan9532 There is only one book on this Earth that has the power of God's Word and God's Plan, and that's the Holy Bible.
Obviously she hasn’t read the entire book
The first chapter I Nephi is historically inaccurate.
You don't even need to read the whole book to know it is false.
Joseph Smith said the Book of Mormon was false.
There is one God.
2 Nephi 31:21 “….And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.”
One God
Alma 11:44 and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.
One God
D&C 20:28 Which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God, infinite and eternal, without end. Amen.
One God
Mormon 7:7 And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end.
There are three Gods.
Joseph Smith contradicted the Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith said the Trinity is three gods. "I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods,"
(Teachings of Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370).
Remember, not even Joseph Smith believed the Book of Mormon was true.
@@fayelewis5476 sure he would totally die for the Book of Mormon which he did by the way. who would risk his life just for a false book? Tell me who?
@@fayelewis5476 read Doctrine and covenants section 87 1-5 keep in mind this came out 20 years before. You can also look it up on the Internet. Prove me wrong 😑
@tapir rider proof?
@@frankleilua9124 I have shown two of hundreds of reasons that the Book of Mormon is false. Also, the later teachings of Joseph Smith contradicted the Book of Mormon, as I have shown you. The D&C contradicts the Book of Mormon.
I can hear you better now ! Thank you so much ! 😁 🌹
5:40 you separate your children by separating them when fighting do you not, and if where possible when gone how would you separate them from each other. Is it not by giving them signs or some type of guidance in keeping them away from each other, why do you not say I'm a hypocrite and understand that the book of Mormon teaches parents correct doctrines to live by.
Thanks! It really helped me understand the Book of Mormon much better. :)
You really should not be reading The book of Mormons! Because a that book is full lies and another thing it is written by a false prophet everything you heard and seeing about the book of Mormon is lies the Mormons are not even Christians check this out.www.hurley-law.com/church-of-jesus-christ-sexual-abuse-counsel/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwkZiFBhD9ARIsAGxFX8CtblpsjhZrCiEahYF2CpYJ3Pie_z6DFxQSWXlB2vZLy6PYIpc4qKMaAiarEALw_wcB
@@bjbanisin6513 may i ask if that organization (including boys scouts of america) goal is to support victims of mormon abuse why did they gave an award to Thomas Monson( a leader of the church) ?
how about the contradictions within the bible? Does that mean the bible is not the word of God?
Great job! Keep telling the truth!
1-Sorry but on children baptism and sin, I stick with the BOM, there are plenly of evidence in the New Testament that indicates that baptism is for repentance and children are not accoutable before God.
Adam and Eve experienced the natural consequences of partaking of the fruit which includes the knowledge of good and evil,
2- "9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.(Genesis2:9) Adam and Eve didn't have the knowledge when God commanded them to multiply, intimacy was not wired in their brain and body prior to the fall so they had to partake of the fruit FIRST in order to obey the commandment of multiplying.
3- You are absolutley right, black people are not cursed and is not a sign of curse from God.
4- The BOM does teach pretty consistently that it is by GRACE that we are saved, this phrase where Nephi says that it is by grace after all we can do is misunderstood, he means that after all it is grace that saves us, it does't mean that we have to do all we can first in order to receive grace and be saved , it means that no matter what we do it is grace that saves us. In 2 Nephi 10:24 it becomes more clear that Nephi understood this principle very well.
"24 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, reconcile yourselves to the will of God, and not to the will of the devil and the flesh; and remember, after ye are reconciled unto god, THAT IT IS ONLY IN AND THROUGH THE GRACE OF GOD THAT YE ARE SAVED. (In this verse he states that even after you repented and reconciled to God it is still the grace of God and none of your doing that saves you)
5- Jesus quoted from the Old Testment but it would be naive to think that nothing was changed or altered over the last 2 thousand years and not to mention the dozens of translations that it went through. Nephi is not vouchering for the LDS church, all he is doing is warning the Gentiles in our time about the errors in the Bible.
6 I believe that Samuel meant the whole land where they lived not the whole planet, but that argument cannot be won by Mormons because it does say the whole earth. So that is fine with me if you think it is a contradiction.Zenos' prophecy in 1st Nephi especifically tells that this darkness is only given to those who inhabit the Isles of the Sea and not other parts of the world.
Baptism is neither for repentance or for infants. Baptism is an outward obedience to God after receiving Christ through Biblical Salvation. It is for one who is old enough and mature enough to accept Christ through faith and then to obey Him in getting baptized. "Buried in the likeness of His death and raised to walk in newness of life."
It's Me Jessie
“ John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the BAPTISM OF REPENTANCE for the REMISSION of SINS “ (Mark 1:4)
Avenged- Sevenfold.
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. ( Luke 24)
According to the Bible, before, during and after and until his second coming. Baptism is for repentance! This doctrine is all over the New Testament
Avenged- Sevenfold both are necessary
@@FFM115 You are not fully getting the 2 Nephi... the context is that of a man living the mosaic law and knows he can't fullfil it and will be saved by grace after all he can do to live the law, because he was commanded to live the law. you have to continue on and read though verse 27 or 28 to get the full context.
Thank You for making this. I was trying to be open minded and see if the Mormon was true. I’m glad I came across this video
Reciting from a hate website. Perhaps she should do some original research. Example: 2 Nephi 5:21 speaks only of a particular group of people in a specific context. It has not mention of an entire nation, but only a group of rebellious people in ancient America. That alone disqualifies the presenter. She is merely parroting false ideas.
The Book of Mormon is false starting with page one. I Nephi 1, 600 B.C., has a prophecy concerning the destruction of Jerusalem. If you know anything about the history of the nation of Israel, you will know that Jerusalem was already under siege in 600 B.C.. In fact, the first deportation had already occurred six years prior. 606 B.C..
Also, I Nephi 1, talks about the language of 'Reformed Egyptian,' a language that has never existed. (Egyptians speak Arabic.) The Jews would not be speaking any 'Egyptian' the language of their captors from hundreds of years prior.
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Imagine finding gold plates written in 600 B.C. with the Gettysburg Address in them? Now imagine gold plates from 600 B.C with word for word quotes from people who hadn't even been born yet? Pretty amazing!
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The Book of Acts records the apostle Peter paraphrasing Moses (Deut. 18:18-19) during his sermon at Pentecost. This happened around 60 A.D.
In the Book of Mormon, around 580 B.C., Nephi claims to also quote from Moses, but instead he quotes Peter's paraphrasing of Moses verbatim, 640 years before Peter gave his sermon.
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Apostle Peter (60 A.D.)
Holy Bible For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
- Acts 3:22-23
Book of Mormon 580 B.C.
...the words of Moses, which he spake, saying: A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass that all those who will not hear that prophet shall be cut off from among the people.
- 1 Nephi 22:20
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Alma chapter 5 plagiarizes John the Baptist about 80 years before he was born.
John the Baptist (30 A.D.)
Holy Bible And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
- Matthew 3:10
Book of Mormon 83 B.C.
And again I say unto you, the Spirit saith: Behold, the ax is laid at the root of the tree; therefore every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit shall be hewn down and cast into the fire...
- Alma 5:52
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Mosiah chapter 16 plagiarizes the apostle Paul 200 years before he wrote his firsts epistle to the church at Corinth.
Apostle Paul (55 A.D.)
Holy Bible For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1 Corinthians 15:53
Book of Mormon 148 B.C.
Even this mortal shall put on immortality, and this corruption shall put on incorruption...
- Mosiah 16:10
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2 Nephi plagiarizes the apostle Paul 600 years before he wrote his epistle to the church at Rome.
Apostle Paul (68 A.D.)
Holy Bible For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
- Romans 8:6
Book of Mormon 555 B. C. ...to be carnally-minded is death, and to be spiritually-minded is life eternal.
- 2 Nephi 9:39
And jessie ask them why was it dark for three hours when Jesus was on the cross they couldn't even tell you ( This is why Psalm 18:4 -12, The Father came down
2:50 that psalm scripture of being born with sin is not the same as having tendencies to commit sin or evil. yet justice can not claim them, because a willingness to belong to the devil is not in them. You on the other hand have experience with sin and with self-willing desire to follow the devils promptings otherwise you would not even consider contradicting what the lord says on behalf of children.
Contradictions between two fabricated, false, man made books. Hmmmmmm. What's wrong here?
Dusty Miller one book was a poorly written “addition” to the Bible. The other is a well kept, well studied, history book. I’ll let you figure it out yourself.
@@theccc8318 I love them both. They speak as one voice as far as I can tell.
One is very historically accurate and doesn't contradict itself and the other is just completely false. You seem smart so I'll let you figure that out. Do your homework.
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@@ElliottNess1776 There is no corroborating evidence for much of what's in the Bible. But yes, the BOM is completely uncorroborated.
4:00. Then name their children they had before The Fall. You can't because in The Bible we see them not having any children before The Fall.
Adam and Eve sinned before they had children.
you are correct that lehi was not from the tribe of levi and did not hold the levitical priesthood. he was ordained as was Jeremiah, daniel, and other contemporaries to the Melchizedek priesthood, which gives them the authority to officiate in the ordinances of the law of moses.
Very good analysis!!!