Gun Gripes Episode 2: "I need a Clip"
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Remington should be ashamed of themselves. adopting people's ignorance into their own terminology and thereby lending legitimacy to what is incorrect.
God, I miss Barry. That man got taken away from us way too soon. I occasionally go back and rewatch the Gun Gripes episodes when Barry did them. My favorite one is Revolver Etiquette. Rest in Peace. Chad had some enormous boots to fill.
"Hey remember people, it's not a magazine it's a clip" LOL
Sometime people for get what they preach, but we know what they mean...lol
I only use clips.
shaydeinsun
what are you clipping? paper?
I don't clip anything. I put my rounds on a clip and then put em in my gun...then voila', reloaded firearm.
Gets me every time lol
I like how Eric comes in the end and just fucks it up. "So..uh.. it's not a magazine it's a clip". NO ERIC, WHY CAN'T YOU DO ANYTHING RIGHT!??
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So does that mean that I can't clip a coupon from a magazine. You guys done got me all cornfused.
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I need a new clip for my Lay's potato chips.
RIP Barry
If your lucky enough to get one with a clip, I would just buy a new one. They are often made of ABS which snaps easily when its as thin as they make it. You are better off with a clip made of thick ABS or a different polymer.
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dang posted then saw some one beat me to it
I like it.
@@paxmanjp Calm down brother.
Barry's best moment "Well, what kind of clip? Hair clip? Potato chip clip? Gym clip? Paper clip? What kind of clip do you want?" I don't know why, but this line makes me laugh every time I hear it.
Clip feeds a magazine, and a magazine feeds the gun.
These Gun Gripes episodes have really grown on me. They're both informative and funny. R.I.P Barry. Keep up the good work, Eric. Seasons greetings from Norway
I manage a gun store and just a few minutes ago a customer came in and asked for a clip. I asked him what gun it is for and he said "A Smith and Wesson" so I asked what model, to which he simply responded "9mm."
while I doubt it, I'll assume he had a 9mm revolver and give him the benefit of the doubt.
@@daltongarrett7117 😅 well, it's been four years, but I think it was a Shield.
i hate it when somebody "corrects" me. "no man that's a clip" and im like "nooooo its a magazine and if you want to get technical its a staggered box magazine" than they look at me like IM the dumbass lol
Can tell your a vet man.. it's not the big things that bother us... it's the little things that really set us off lol.
Yeah the devil is in the details.
Amen.
I'm a firefighter, we have a saying that the little things get you killed....... details people, details
Amen to this one!
This is the very first thing they taught us in the small arms portion of Gunner's Mate class 'A' school at Great Lakes, Illinois.
The difference between an ammo clip and a magazine is simple.
A clip only surrounds one to three sides of the cartridges.
A magazine completely surrounds the cartridges into a TUBE.
I always enjoy pointing out that "Clips are Designed and used to LOAD Magazines. Be it internal or external magazine."
I love this. I say this to people constantly and it's like it's ingrained in their head "got a 30 round clip!"
It's a shame that Barry passed, I loved watching his videos with all his wealth of knowledge and his sense of humor. I also cannot stand it when half the people call magazines "clips", and a suppressor a silencer. Rest in peace Barry...
Jerry Baker Companies that make and sell silencers call them silencers, because that is their legal and proper name.
+Al Brautigam your missing my point, they don't silence they suppress...big difference!
***** "Silencer" is the legal and technical designation. Jerry and the others like him insist on using the technical description.
Jerry Baker Do you call cable internet and DSL connections "broadband" or "narrowband"?
+Jerry Baker, I guess Silencer Shop doesn't know what they're selling, SilencerCo doesn't know what they're making. You'd better straighten them out, they need an expert like you.
@shley65 As a slang term it's okay, but when dealing with the technical aspect of shooting or ordering parts for a firearm there is a definite distinction between the two. Specifically, a clip is a device that holds multiple cartridges together to load into a repeating firearm. A magazine is either an internal or detachable box in the weapon where the cartridges are stored until the bolt cycles to the rear and the magazine spring pushes a round up for the bolt to then chamber.
This should be required to be played in schools nationwide
davidira34 it would somehow be seen as contributing to gun violence
@@gofishbluefish3703 "do we really need public schools teaching future thugs how to shoot straight?"
Ppl shouldn't buy a gun if they don't know if it uses a clip or a magazine 🤣😂😭🤭
Omg I loved this "well what kids clip are you looking for a potato chip clip or a paper clip" haha great job guys keep up the good work and I hate it when people don't know the difference haha
I always remember Clips load Magazines, Magazines load guns
All guns have magazines, a magazine is what holds the rounds in the gun, regardless if said gun loads from a stripper clip or, like the M1, loads directly from the clip, the clip is still held in the magazine.
+Monarch Squadron Single shots,Revolvers, double barrel shotguns, derringers - lots of guns don't have magazines.....
+Monarch Squadron Single shots,Revolvers, double barrel shotguns, derringers - lots of guns don't have magazines.....
You're right, of course. I just suck at typing out what I mean.
Monarch Squadron Ikr? I Was just keeping with the theme & intent of the video. And also proving that we all make mistakes! ;)
I'm 14 and getting into guns, I love this channel for insight on guns. My dads getting me a 30-30 Winchester fro my birthday, can't wait to go up to the cabin and shoot some boar
I knew this before I became a gun person.
DRUMA...magazine. Miss you Barry.
I still get a kick out of this. Us gun people know a magazine is a magazine. Some people just for some reason say clip. Who knows why. Point is we all know good and well what they mean if they say clip even though it isn't "proper" terminology. Then again some people just don't know any better.
I always say magazines. I do like being a smart ass though when I hang out at one of the local gun stores and they grip. A guy walks in ask for a clip. The response is usually "paper clip, hair clip, potato chip bag clip, etc" and then go oh you mean a magazine. So i go " TEEN magazine, GQ magazine, Maxim magazine, Combat handgunner Magazine, Field and Stream magazine".
Darth Yoda Maybe because our grandfathers came back from World War I and World War II called us and her dads how to shoot. The old-timers that are mostly gone now my grandfather missed wore to buy a couple years and he's 92 right now, enlisted at 15... But during the wars they were clips
love this vid, my biggest pet peeve...when i hear someone say clip i automatically think the person doesn't have a clue what they are talking about, 99.9% of the time i'm right...the only time i'm wrong is when we're talking about M1's
Well, that does it. Remington can't even label their product correctly and the R51 fiasco. I have been considering buying a R1 but all this bs has changed my mind.
When I find a gun shop that I like and that I plan on being a regular at, I always walk in and ask for a Glock clip and Glock bullets just to see how they react. Its always funny to see that "Great, a dumb-ass" look on their face while they think of how to ask wtf I am talking about. Then the look of relief when I say I am just kidding. Makes them remember me.
drives me up the wall...
Barry was hilarious! What a wonderful character. Wish I had the opportunity to meet him before his sad passing. RIP BARRY
Not sure why people get so pedantic about this issue. It's the gun-owner's equivalent of being a Grammar Nazi.
I can understand why people think that way and in general this is one that doesn't bother me. Except in situations where it does matter such as his context here, where a customer asks for a product and doesn't name the thing right.
So I'm a little bit bothered by it when someone who actively uses guns referring to it the wrong way, it makes communication between a store owner and the customer not clear. Also it might matter somewhat in other situations, but if someone who doesn't own a gun refers to it that way and you know what weapon they are talking about it doesn't matter much.
Maybe some people get a little bit too annoyed over it, but there are other cases than this one where I see a real value in a clear definition of what a thing is. If nobody would point it out people keep using the wrong one (or what in the language at the time is "wrong") and it'll muddy things up over time causing both to be used and you have to be overly specific describing the items because one can't really know what is meant. This is a problem with any context where people use a word for another thing that is kinda related but not accurate in any media or conversation.
I do totally understand though that some people are a bit too pedantic to use your own words there, it doesn't matter everywhere but I feel it has some value in this context as there is a clear difference in the definition. The weapons being fed by a clip and magazine are functionally different, so there's value to the two definitions and them being used accurately to describe the right items.
Shawn Byron Beckett Wrong bro, there are 10-round clips for an AR-15 NATO standard mag that will help you speed load the magazine.
That being said, I think the main point is: "If you don't care enough to know the proper terminology, how can we expect you to care enough to maintain safe weapon handling."
Put that on a T-shirt.
Calling a magazine a clip is like calling a fork a spoon.
Shawn Byron Beckett O_O
GreenGiant622 nope... you're wrong
To get the point across to people going "So what?", I connect the need for proper terminology to something that they do or use with a similar need for precise use of language. Usually this means cars, computers or cooking. Once they see that a careful and thoughtful use of language makes it easier to get what they want _and_ it makes them seem competent in their own affairs, then they get it and get with the program.
I wonder if anyone has ever said "I need a magazine for my revolver"
gatling guns.
Probably not, but getting a clip for a revolver is common.
This happens at the shop I work at all the time. We all have good laugh and explain the difference.
Not sure the slight terminology mixup people make here merits saying something sarcastic or being agitated at them for it.
It does,it takes exactly 1 second to educate yourself on this
I have watched every video you guys have posted. This is by far my favorite ! Miss ya barry !
They should call the magazine clips clipazines.
during my combat training, if you called a magazine a "clip", then the whole platoon would do push-ups. that sure fixed the terminology problem lol
Jesus chrsit i dont even own a gun and I know the difference
The only people who care about the difference are 12 and don't own guns.
Heathh49008 or people who work at the stores who hate it when people get it wrong
If they are that worried, they should use correct terms themselves. Mag=Cosmopolitan or US.
That thing with the ammo is a "Detachable Box Magazine." Calling it a "mag" is just as incorrect.
Sadly, they are too dumb to get the irony in that.
This has always driven me bonkers. I almost cry with joy when I actually hear someone use "Clip" and "Magazine" terminology correctly. Knowledge is a beautiful thing.
screw it! let's just call them clipazines and do away with the confusion. (jk) I sell firearms, and this is a pet peeve of mine, too. that and all the idiots who think every AR or AK is an "assault weapon "😡
Lol , I love what Eric says at the end (remember people, it's not a magazine, it's a clip)
Just in the will of pissing off hipsters, i'll call my magazines "clips" until the day I die.
Don't hipsters call magazines clips because they are liberal dumbshits
William Doesstuff Gun hipsters are the kind of people who gets pissed off when someone call a magazine a clip of if someone put a scope on a mosin.
What about a clipazine?
LogicBeforeFaIth
Sounds like a drug
ForeskinMan Just don't call ak mags banana clips and we will be ok.
Now I know they are completely different things! I thought it was just a terminology thing before, I used to call magazines clips before day one of basic training in the British army but I was told that is a magazine not a clip when I called my magazine a clip.
Thanks for videos I have enjoyed watching all the videos I have seen of yours so far and now I am going to watch some more.
I need a magazine. Yes sir. Would you like Newsweek, Life, People, Readers Digest? What's your point? Get over it.
I can't believe I have been watching your channel for almost four years now. RIP Barry :(
This is my rifle, this is my gun....give people a break, damn. Hell the manufacturers can't even get it straight. Did you guys do a gun gripe on the "silencer vs. suppressor" dilemma as well?
Because by concentrating on minor details... even when thy are wrong... they feel superior to the person they are correcting. It's what women do in arguments.
If you own it, you ca call it Dave for all I care.
The minute someone starts in with the "It's a MAGAZINE not a CLIP" drama, you know you are dealing with a Glocktalk/Arfcommer. Possibly Gecko45 himself.
Heathh49008 The sad part is that this turns people away from getting into guns. When a customer walks in and asks for a clip, instead of being condescending assholes they could use it as a chance to teach someone more about guns. The biggest complaint you hear about gun stores is asshole staff, the last thing the gun community should want right now is new gun owners having to go through dickheads to buy a gun. My wife refuses to go to the gun store to buy my Christmas/Birthday presents now because of this "better than you" attitude.
Nathan Mitchell What, and risk being called a professional sales person?
Why won't youtube just let you delete a comment?
Nathan Mitchell It does, maybe not after a month or two.
usually the 5.56 Nato can be loaded into a AR Mag with a speed loader that hooks onto stripper clips. And the the 7.62 i've read of speed loading the M14/M1A1 with the five round stripper clips as well
Oh come on now, you know what these people are asking for. They call it that because they don't know. I work with computers and people call the case for the computer the "hard drive" all the time. Sure I roll my eyes and just smile, but don't hold it against them simply because they don't know it as well as you. I'm not giving you too much grief, I'm just saying theres no point in making people feel bad for saying something wrong, it just puts them off from asking questions later.
One that's more common I think in computing is people thinking that a monitor is the computer itself.
Even the ww2 guys that had lots of action called the 45 mags clips so I don't listen to this bs much. We know what they are talking about
Do you? Do I? Who knows. I have a army Manuel from 1942 that states a 1911 45 acp is a clip fed pistol. That's the armies words
No. In all reality a mag has a spring a clip feeds a mag but that's really getting bitchy. Back in the 70s and 80s we called them clips or mags. It's the new tactic ool guys that ruined it.
And really who cares. Maybe I would correct you and say you know that's really a mag but I would never berate you for you
A clip feeds ammunition into a magazine already in the weapon. A detachable magazine is a magazine that attaches directly to the weapon that hasn't got one. The ammo box or drum on an AH-64 Apache or an A-10 Thunderbolt II is considered a magazine, because the weapons they use have no formal magazine attached to the weapon.
All this time i thought magazines were fir boobies and hotrods.
I remember when my instructor was kinda yelling at a fellow cadet because he kept calling the magazine a clip, but we all had our fun joking a bit with this matter haha
I use the proper terminology BUT who really gives a warm batch of shit what term is used!? I remember the days when all hand held firearms you carried in a holster were called "pistols"…Yep, even revolvers were called ''pistols". Now, the TERMINOLOGY POLICE will chew your ass if you call a ''revolver'' a ''pistol" or a "mag" a "clip". Forcing the distinction here is plainly anal retentive bullshit. Personally, I have much bigger shit to worry about. Now, can we all put this earth shattering concern to bed and go worry about some real problems?
GLOCKCOPG23 No
***** Hey, It's not illegal to be excessively anal retentive. Some groups might find that an attractive attribute. Now, I'm going to focus my attention on real/actual things of concern. Carry on.
If someone gets all up and arms about it, sure, they are over-reacting and should calm down. If someone is simply trying to teach by clarification, then by all means, carry on with the education.
There IS a difference between a clip and a magazine and people who work with guns should know this. Most gun stores I have been to do not get all bent out of shape over this and simply correct the person. There needs to be a distinction because there IS A DIFFERENCE. They are not one and the same. Just like transmission fluid and brake fluid are both fluids and go into the car but are different in nature and use.
The distinction may not matter to you, but too a Gun Store/range , it does and makes helping the individual easier.
This kind of knowledge is what needs to be out there, by the guys that know!!! I never thought of this sort of thing before regarding "magazines" and "clips". Great stuff gentlemen!! thank you!
My Marlin .22 and my Mossberg 185d both have clips. They are even called that in the manual. My local gun store, which is also a gun repair shop, calls them clips, and he is older than you are. Also they have been in business since the late 70's. My Uncles, who have been hunters all of their lives, call them clips as well. I am over 60, and I will call them what I have called them all of my life. Now, tomorrow I will go to my local shop and pick up the clips I ordered, and a bottle of pop.
clips feed mags, mags feed guns, guns feed your need to have fun
Agreed. This drives me nuts and I make sure to correct my students when I'm instructing. Whenever I can, I have an actual clip on-hand to show them that a clip is used to load a magazine.
Love that reverse psychology at the end by Eric "Remember people, it's not a magazine it's a clip"...wtf!? lol You just said it was a magazine.
In the police academy, if any cadet called a magazine a clip the whole platoon would be running laps. We all learned very quickly...
Is also helpful on an instructional video to show the general development from clip to detachable box magazine. Feeding a stripper clip into a box magazine like on an AR. Inserting a N-block clip into a Garand (magazine integrated into the rifle). Words have a distinct meaning. Clip and magazine are not synonymous :)
Thank's Barry, I love it. 'Don't they all take the same one?'
"What kind of clip do you want? Hair clip? Potato chip clip? Gym clip? Paper clip?"
Hahahahahahahahaha cracks me up!
RIP Barry, you're dearly missed.
Hey. I've got about a dozen of those clips (the 2nd one with the holes). They feed into my .303 magazine quite nicely, once you get them positioned right.
Certainly in UK, they even differentiate between "charger" and "clip"..
A clip is loaded completely into the weapon with the rounds, and is ejected when empty. The Garand and Mannlicher actions are good examples..
Where the rounds are loaded from the device into a magazine this should be known as a "charger".
If you find an old British (pre 1960) .303 ammo box, you will find it marked ".303 BALL BDR in CHG" meaning ".303 ball in chargers loaded in bandoliers"..
I don't even own a gun, but I love these Gun Gripes.
Thanks for making them.
Correct Gun Terms
Clip = One Solid piece of metal which holds rounds or cartridges that goes inside either a rifle or pistol.
Stripper Clip = One solid piece of metal used to strip off rounds or cartridges into the inside either a rifle or pistol.
Charger = More than one piece of metal used to insert rounds or cartridges into a magazine.
Magazine = More than one piece of metal used to hold rounds or cartridges.
Rounds = Pistol ammunition.
Cartridges = Rifle ammunition.
Seriously the day I found out about this, I started getting this gripe ridiculously too. However, I had initially thought when after I had found out that a clip was what the cartridges come in out of the box of ammunition. That plastic tray that you find some calibers coming in out of the box.
Those are used to reload a magazine during Combat. During Vietnam, if your magazine ran out of ammunition, you would reload your magazines with stripper clips. The 7.62 NATO for the M14 Battle Rifle, and the 5.56 NATO one for the XM16E1
Ok, if that's your response to someone asking for a "clip" (paper clip, potato clip)and so forth, in a gun shop, what do you say to a customer who asks for a magazine? Do you ask them what kind of a magazine like Time, Playboy, Sports Illustrated? Common here, you're running a gun shop. Which means you're just being a gun snob or just a plain wise ass.
I just had to add...People saying "clip" when they mean "magazine" drives me crazy too....Oh jeez, I think that makes me a gun snob too!
Well, if this clarification can make their job easier and provide a better customer service..why not?
I bet that isn't his actual response....just venting for the video
I got a small pack of paper clips from the dollar store, next time someone asks me for a clip I’ll hand em a bunch of paper clips.
FWIW: Having been involved in aviation since 1979 - and been interested in it EVEN LONGER - I see the same kind of thing there as well....
Knowing the terminology when discussing things applies to any subject. Not just guns.
Hell, I worked in Newnan, GA for 6 weeks earlier this year. Wish I would of known how close you guys were or I could of stopped by. Take it easy.
This is what i like about Eric and Barry's video's
Change in terminology changes laws after the fact. "Shall not be infringed" used to be pretty clear. Regulated once meant to remove obstetrical like in regulate a watch.
"what kind of CLIP ? HairCLIP, ChipCLIP,PaperCLIP, I love this channel! You guys are awesome, and I wish Barry was my Uncle!!!
I once spent three hours trying to explain the difference of Clips, Magazines, and Shells to my friend... And his dad had like 8 different guns in his house. (I was just glad I didn't have to explain the difference between Airsoft BBs, BBs, Pellets, and Bullets)
the same thing with someone saying motor oil it's not motor oil it goes in an engine so it's engine oil. A motor runs off electricity and an engine runs off combustion. great video
BARRY YOU ARE GREAT,and i have seen people who don't the cal of there firearm,it gives us all a bad reputation i love the sign you should make it bigger for some folks.
Honestly I’ve been buying guns for 23 years so you can only imagine what I own, I would never call a magazine a clip but if I was in your store and I heard you speak to a potential customer with that arrogant question back.. I would walk out and tell all my military and law enforcement friends to never shop at your store... see I can be a tool just like you when customers ask to use my bathroom and I tell them.... well we don’t have a bathroom but we do have a restroom, but I’m not arrogant like you! Keep up the attitude 👍
@MrGT27 if you dont know what you have or need, bring it in. The person at the desk can help you. I find that most of the people that present this problem are trying to buy parts/ammo for firearms bought illegally. For example, while volunteering at a pistol shoot ammo table for my gun club, I was asked for 9mm, the guy brings it back and says it doesnt work. I asked to see the weapon, it was a sig marked 9mmkurtz thereby .380 acp. looking at the weapon further, the serial number was ground off.
@weaponeer i think the real source of the problem is ignorance, since the army always made sure to emphasize the difference from clips and magazines
the same thing bothers me when hunters call deers antlers horns bothers me just as much as people calling mags clips I own a m1 so I try to tell people at the range that ask about it that they are really clips not mags love ur videos very straight to the point no bs keep it up! sorry about ur loss
@1IIIIIIIIII1 Because they are not mutually exclusive terms. You can get clips for loading AR magazines, for example. They do two different things and the more people understand the differences the easier it will be to answer their questions and make sure they get what the really want.
@Romansten9 "Shell" is another one that gets me, that is when folks call a cartridge a "shell." Shells (as far as I know) are only used in shotguns.
The only 'clip' term that exists in guns is the 'clips' that held the rounds for old WWII rifles like the Mauser Kar98k or the Mosin Nagant that were used to quickly load 5 rounds since it can be a pain in the ass to load them one by one. And sometimes, your bayonet just does not cut it. The term was popular also with the M1 Garand's bloc clips that held the 30-06 rounds.
I like the comment "when someone says the need a magazine , well, do you want Time, Playboy or Newsweek! " great comeback. Guys like Berry is why I do all my gun buys on line . Some shop owners can be real dicks!
Yeah I guess people like Barry (upright tell it to your face) with a low tolerance level for fools, would be rough on the overly sensitiv sorts who have a hard time having their delusions pointed out.
of course, some weapons you can use clips to refil magazines, like i think ye-olde SKS or even the lee enfield. the enfield had a removable mag, but was reloded with a clip
I have 4 17 round clips for my Glock. And I really prefer the Wilson clips for my Colt and ParaOrdnance.
Barry was the man. May he forever help us protect the 2A from up above
My grandpa and I once got into a semi-heated debate on the subject, Even after looking it up, he refused to give ground. Good times.
I will call it a clip unless Barry is working.
Correcting people all the time now after watching this video! Very helpful
Magazine vs clip. Military showed me the difference but they also let us know where the terminology came from. Clip was used in WWII in reference to stripper clip. "Toss me a clip." Clip became, by civilian reference, what they thought it was called.
"remember it is not a magazine it is a clip!" Really? i thought you guys just told us not to call it a clip but a magazine! Thanks eric you totally messed it up at the end! haha
Barry cracks me up LOL
If I had a friend I would want him to be just like him.
LOL i feel your pain. Staff out at the range call the magsizines a clip. One asked me how many clips do i need. I replied, We do not have any clips. She looked at me like i was crazy,
I love how he says the exact opposite of what they were trying to convey at the very end.
I feel like this video was created after someone came in looking for a clip
They missed a marketing opportunity to make a potato chip bag clip with Barry on it. I would have bought one.