I haven't read through all the comments or someone else may have said this also. May I suggest that you do an advanced class on line use. I know you try to keep it simple so that the beginner fisherman understands but I know there's a bunch of people like myself who have been fishing for a long time and maybe even have bad habits with lines. I would like to see a video the takes specific scenarios and what line and or leader you might use in that case. And the actual weight of line/leader that you would use in each case. I work in a Sportsman's Warehouse in the fishing department a lot and have helped many people especially beginners choose the proper line for the fish that they're going after. I also try to give tips to the advanced fisherman if they start asking questions or if they're willing to listen. So in advance video would not only help myself in my fishing but I would be helping others that come to the shop. Thank you for all the videos that you guys do! I have learned a lot even though I've been fishing for 60 years or more.
Line is such a key piece of most folks' fishing that this video could/should have been broken down into a multi-series of videos. That said, good stuff.
Don't forget that the Flippin' FC has 12" of fluorescent yellow for every 3' of line. Works amazing to see light bites. I've moved to using it on all my jig rods.
I would say that there are many reasons a bass may not strike your lure and seeing the line and knowing it is a bad thing is most likely last. I have used straight braid since Stren introduced Kevlar, which was awful btw, then to Spiderwire and others and have never had a problem. Would love to see some underwater footage of Braid vs Mono vs Fluro with the same lure to see how the bass react, if at all.
@Billy West He was using bright colored mono that he used for salt water? The pound test must have been in the 50 to 100 range. The action of the Senko would have been greatly effected. Again, many reasons why bass won't bite and the kind of line is most likely last. IMO and the opinion of many fish experts.
As a majority bank fisherman, I do not bring many rods with me( sometimes only one). I was a flourocarbon truther because I had confidence in it, but I watched a video Matt did about two years ago and I wanted to switch to braid to try different techniques. I did not have confidence at first, mostly because I didnt trust my flourocarbon to braid knots and I kept thinking fish have to see that braided line! I decided to buy some Maxima Ultragreen to use as a leader with one of the recommended braided lines and WOW my confidence has gone through the roof these past two years. The durability, reliability, castability and most important VERSATILITY of this setup is bar none in my opinion. I practically throw everything on this setup and you DO get the best of both worlds with a quality braid and a quality mono leader. I really appreciate TacticalBassin... I know this was long, but with all the lazy misinformation on the internet nowadays I want to let new viewers know, THESE GUYS KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT!
Alright Tim stay off my google history i was literally just looking at what line to use yesterday because I'm going to be setting up a ultralight combo when it comes in the mail tomorrow. But great video very helpful.
I made the swap to braid to leader per TB’s recommendation and it’s made managing spools and line so much easier. The braid lasts a lot longer saving so much money. Tactical’s made a lot easier...like catching fish 😂
Great stuff. Love getting my info off of this channel cause they know what they’re doing. At this moment I’m at a gas station in Nebraska driving towards California. I’m moving there. So what better people to get my fishing info than tactical bassin.
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but if fluorocarbon is 99% invisible, why do you bother with different pound test lines? Why not just use the #8-10 on all of it since they won't see it anyways?
TacticalBassin I was fortunate enough to get to meet Matt last year in Guntersville. And since then have been watching pretty much everything you guys put out. 🤘🏼
Talk about braid to leader diameter matching. Ex: 60lb braid to 12-15 fluoro. Or 20-30 braid to 8-10 fluoro. Still learning what diameters work best with each other
I use a 20lbs braid main with a 12lbs fluorocarbon leader. You want the fluorocarbon diameter to be bigger than the braids diameter because braid line in time cuts into the fluoro material a little. I found 20braid and 12fluoro works great for me.
I was having alot of problems breaking off with that line in 15# in a tournament. it was honestly a joke. So I tested it rubbing against brick on the corner of my house and it was breaking super easy. I will say that I tested 12# sunline assasin behind it and it outlasted 15# hybrid line.
@@seanwood4032 Yozuri hybred is weird line you cant use it for 2 seasons you need to change it out more often in a single season it gets weak if left on for a long time I noticed...But for how cheap it is it's good line for the $. I use 6lb and 10lb some times. I know it's not as good as sunline but that costs way more. Also you may have gotten a super old roll that was laying around in the shop for many years maybe?
True story - I fish lake Erie smallmouth (very clear water). Always used Maxima fluoro leaders. Caught the usual amount of bass last season. Realized when packing away for the winter that I accidentally bought Maxima mono leader and was using that all season. 🤷♂️
For people starting out, braid is the most economical. For fun fishing, braid will last 2, 3, 4 YEARS. I've had to replace it from getting too low before I've had to replace it for breaking down.
Thanks for mentioning the ultralight finesse fishing part. 2lb fluro for trout jigs are the best. Can’t use mono, too much stretch and you miss the hooks set. Can’t feel it fast enough. Braid ripping through the water is a turn off for trout. Fluoro for trout, mono for crabbing, crappie fishing (paper mouths), treble baits, and floating bait, braid for all else.
What if you’re using a spinning Shimano Nasci 2500 FC with a 90mm or 60mm whopper plopper too water? Wouldn’t monofilament be better for that delay setting topwater plopper treble hooks? I never fished before so I need some advice… got my feel today just waiting for my Shimano Sellus 7.1 med/fast rod. I’m mostly looking for bass but if I want to catch any fish really… hell I’d be happy with a good fish Lol
After years of fishing I’ve learned: Braid on medium to heavy action poles for larger fish and salt like Cat/Carp/Striper. Mono with medium action poles for mid to smaller fish like Trout/Bass/Crappie especially if trolling. Always read the side of your reels for best line weights. I’ve seen people put 50lb mono test on reels that say they only handle up to 20lbs 170 yards. Then they wonder why they’re always bird nesting or have line issues. It’s important to understand your gear.
My dad and i have somehow gotten away with 10lb fluorocarbon or mono for 30+years. There are times we have looked at each other in amazement that we just hauled a hog out from heavy heavy weeds/lily's etc. Im talking line that is heavily under rated for conditions we fish and several seasons old. We have wisened up as of the last 5,6 years, using braid but if we are casting fluorocarbon or mono, its still 10lb test.
I made the switch with braid to leader a couple months ago and I’ll never go back. The big thing for me is memory. I cannot stand the intense memory of mono and fluoro as it wrecks my casting distance and often causes backlash. Lost a few jigs in the connection knot process but it was well worth it and I can have a new leader in under 2 min now
The Maxima Chameleon line has been around for a long time. I remember using it back in 1980 it is very strong and has great abrasion resistance. Maxima ultra-green it's my line of choice. The color blends in so well with so many different bodies of water.
D10 DozerMan I hear ya I have maxi spools of Ultra-green 4 - 10, using the 12lb Chameleon for those stripers, little tougher to spool than the ultra though.
@@FishingTime_LetsGo the chameleon is a stiffer line and has better abrasion resistance than the ultra green. I feel the ultra-green has less memory to. I only use ultra-green, like Tim said I do use Maxima fluorocarbon on my finesse rods though.
Besides using all three major line types, I have also used a “line” that very few people are even aware of. When I was young, I used what the real old timers used for lake trout fishing on the Finger Lakes of New York State. Copper wire! Plus it is used in a hand fishing method from wooden row boats. A metal spoon is hand jigged while rowing. The copper wire sinks to the depths lake trout are found during the summer. No downrigger needed. Hand fishing with copper wire = common technique used in the mid 20th century.
maxima ultra green 12 to 14 # has been my go to for salmon plugging with spinners in the carquinez straits . cant beat it great knots, supple, and takes abuse from rocks and pilings. only line i will use for salmon. carry's over well for stripers to .
I noticed that you didn't mention it but that Sun line FC structure is worth giving a shot if you haven't tried yet. Anyways I'm sure a lot of people will enjoy the content of this video. Well done Tim
Thank you Mike. I recently did a video on the FC Structure. I really like it. So far ive been really impressed with the technique specific lines from Sunline.
I know you guys do buyers guides all the time, but I'd love to hear your opinion on which setups and pieces you feel like gain the most from upgrading. Maybe an order youd recommend upgrading if you are someone who has a solid basic lineup from your $100 combos video, which pieces make the most sense to upgrade first and why. Love the content guys 😁
I personally have 12lb fluorocarbon in about 20yards worth as a backer and no leader at the end of my 50lb braid. I personally haven't had a problem with to much besides actually using braid for the first time lol.
I use 20 lb mono backing on my 80 lb braid, I don't notice any difference in sensitivity. But that is pretty heavy line and rigs. Should note, this is on mostly musky set-ups and more often than not, for moving baits - FWIW.
@@tacticalbassin I used it on 2 fishing trips I think it's my favorite braid now I use suffix 832 and that's nice also but the Xplasma casts for ever...... got to see how it holds up in the long run though.
Trying swimbait like Gigantarel. Got tranx 400 with 80lb braid... should i use fluorocarbon leader and if so will 25lb floural line be ok and what king of knot... thank you
I just got to work so I haven’t watched but can you please touch up on it reply to this comment about co-polymer line please!! I just ordered a heavy combo for my flipping and pitching with jigs and frogging and I’m going to put about 45 lb braid on and u was going to put about 17 flourocarbon on my current 7’ mh for more of my moving bait applications and maybe worming but I also keep hearing about this co polymer. Can someone please inform me on which is best and why? I would greatly appreciate it
Co polymer is a combination of nylons whereas monofilament is only one. The Maxima Ultragreen that we talk about and recommend is actually a co polymer.
I actually searched through your previous videos to see what braid you were using for crankbaits and bought 832 for the first time. What are your feelings about the Berkley x9 braid?
They are all good lines, no doubt. But there is nothing, and I mean nothing compared to MaxCuatro. It's more expensive, but it's absolutely amazing. I highly recommend it.
I bought braid as my first line…on the pole it said 6-12 lbs so I bought ten. 3rd cast I threw my $12 lure off into the abyss!! I paid $35 for this line (almost half what I paid for the pole and reel combo) but I could easily tear the stuff with my bare hands. They need to note that they’re not equivalent lb tess on the box!!
Maybe you bought bad braid. 10lb braid is equivalent to 10lb mono or fluro with breaking strength. That spool of braid will last you years if taken care of. You will go through lots of spools of mono in the same time. Braid is significantly thinner. That allows throwing lighter lures and casts further. If a rod states 6-12lb line, that means 6-12lb mono diameter. The equivalent braid for diameter would be 30lbs or more braid. Its about diameter not test.
Thank you! Typically I (Tim) run a longer leader on my finesse setups. Usually my flouro is 10' -15' or so. If Im in deeper, clear water, then Ill go longer. As far as my lager mono leaders fro glide baits and topwaters, I typically try and keep my connection knot just outside of my line guide on my reel. Depending on the length of the rod determines how long my leader will be. Hopefully this makes sense.
Great information thank you, I recently bought a small lake house on unfamiliar water... The water is very dark and little to no visibility and I am having a hard time fishing it... I mark fish all day long in great spots and nothing... I use braided line 95% of the time... You talked about clear water but not murky is there something I can do different, a different line or line set up? Thanks for any help in advance 👍
In your case, I suspect it is less about the line and more about lure selection (type & color) and technique (what you're targeting and method/how). Slow down!
Really want to change back to braid but i hate the knot between braid/fluro and the feeling of the knot on a cast, went back to mono now to avoid the knot, using Yo Zuri Hybrid its not a fantastic line but im very satisfied
I'm looking to throw braid to leader on my jig rod. Do you have a preference between Maxcuatro vs Suffix 832? I've seen you guys mention both kinds for jigs in the past, so just curious. Thanks!!
Great video, slowly making the switch to braid on almost all my reels. What pound test braid do you throw on your 7ft med hvy rods, also what pound test leader? What is the lightest pound test praise you throw on a bait caster?
I just came from Tim’s video on the same topic from 3 years ago where he said Mono has a memory and causes the same problems you’re saying fluro causes. I’m confused.
I use to never throw top water on floro, but being from Alabama and seeing G man at Guntersville he recommended it for buzzbaits and since using it with them I have noticed more bites and better hook ups. Mono would cause me to not hook up on longer cast and braid I would loose the fish from ripping holes in their mouths. I also use it with ploppers
I use a fluro leader for all my topwater also aside from frogs obviously, the only time you need to worry about fluro sinking is if the bow in the middle of you line when you cast is in the water, that will weigh down everything behind it. But just a leader wont pull down the braid in front of it
I just got an Okuma travel spinning rod and reel combo (size 20 - up to 8# line) for my truck. What would be the best all purpose line to load on it? I’m in the Midwest fishing dirtier waters for bass/crappie and will be fishing both surface and below surface baits. Any help will be appreciated immensely. All my other reels have mono on them but I’m interested in the braid but have never used it before.
That Maxcuatro is pretty thin stuff. The 30lb works out to 0.23mm, that’s like 8lb sniper so what’s the thinking of using 15lb braid or less for the finesse applications ? Surely having a thicker leader than braided mainline is going to cause issues.
Thanks Tim, Great video and a lot of great information, you and Matt is really on your video’s,on how to do and what works best for you Both , the name of products
@TacticalBassin Great Video, So I love to throw a jig usually I throw 17lb flouro would braid to a flouro leader be better? and if so what size braid should I use to a flouro leader.
@@tacticalbassin yeah just took a trip to Wisconsin from cali and was a little scared to throw the big bait but caught mostly bass anyways and thew bug a bit
Great video. How do you get over the fear of the leader knot not holding up? That’s the only thing keeping me from using a leader over straight braid. I don’t trust the knot, or my ability to tie a good enough knot lol
Great Video! Also I’ve got a question. There is this little pond that runs off a lake I fish and it is just filled with Lilly pads in about 6 feet of water. What should I use to catch these fish because I can see them moving the pads.
@@tacticalbassin frogs are topwater right? so top water fishing straight braid is ok with no leader… won’t they see the line or does it not matter too water? Sorry I’ve never fished before I’m waiting for my first spinning reel/rod to be delivered… Shimano Nasci/2500 with Shimano Sellus 7.1 Med/Fast. Seems I should have gotten a bait caster because that’s what everyone uses on TH-cam
Hey Tim thanks for the great content 👍🏻I know I'm late but if could you please do a video on the different pound braid and leaders that you use for specific applications? Also if you could mention which techniques you don't use braid for, you mentioned crankng in some instances but I'm assuming for jerkbaits you use FC too?
Guys! Keep having leader knot failure on my alderbaren. I run braid to leader on almost everything and tie a blood knot. Do not have any other failures. Tieing 15lb 832 to 8-12lb sunline sniper and about a 20ft lead. Knot seems to explode in the reel on the cast. Not everytime but often enough to were it’s definitely an issue. Any suggestions? Thanks
I’m the line guy at the store you ask for help, this channel is where I learn most of my stuff. So much info if you actually pay attention!
I haven't read through all the comments or someone else may have said this also. May I suggest that you do an advanced class on line use. I know you try to keep it simple so that the beginner fisherman understands but I know there's a bunch of people like myself who have been fishing for a long time and maybe even have bad habits with lines. I would like to see a video the takes specific scenarios and what line and or leader you might use in that case. And the actual weight of line/leader that you would use in each case. I work in a Sportsman's Warehouse in the fishing department a lot and have helped many people especially beginners choose the proper line for the fish that they're going after. I also try to give tips to the advanced fisherman if they start asking questions or if they're willing to listen. So in advance video would not only help myself in my fishing but I would be helping others that come to the shop. Thank you for all the videos that you guys do! I have learned a lot even though I've been fishing for 60 years or more.
instablaster
Sir is there any brand that makes an invisible braid??
Braid on almost all my reels then leaders when needed!!
That way you can use 1 setup for multiple things. I’d rather have just a few super nice combos and retie than have a bunch of cheap junk.
Another great video Tim. I’m currently switching over to braid on most of my reels particularly my drop shot wacky rig set up.
Thanks Adam!
I been using that warm water trick for years it really does work when spooling
Line is such a key piece of most folks' fishing that this video could/should have been broken down into a multi-series of videos. That said, good stuff.
Thanks! Yes there is a lot to learn about fishing line.
I really enjoy watching these videos u guys make. Even though I've been fishing for 20+years I always learn something from you guys.
Great to hear! Thank you Wayne
Was just watching your vid from a year ago one line. Great update
Braid combo with fluorocarbon leader. Killer!
No problem with the uni-knot getting hung up on guides?
Don't forget that the Flippin' FC has 12" of fluorescent yellow for every 3' of line. Works amazing to see light bites. I've moved to using it on all my jig rods.
This is good to know
Current favorites for general purpose braid are Sufix 832 and J-Braid Grand. For the river I still use XT. Cortland Master Braid for muskies.
Suffix 832 braid with a 5-6 foot fluro leader. Works very well for me. Straight braid for top water.
Tim that was a great vid. Answered some of my questions and showed me some more stuff. Thanks man, school is open. LOL. Be safe.
Thank you Zeke!
I would say that there are many reasons a bass may not strike your lure and seeing the line and knowing it is a bad thing is most likely last. I have used straight braid since Stren introduced Kevlar, which was awful btw, then to Spiderwire and others and have never had a problem. Would love to see some underwater footage of Braid vs Mono vs Fluro with the same lure to see how the bass react, if at all.
I'd also like to see the differences under water with fish.
@Billy West He was using bright colored mono that he used for salt water? The pound test must have been in the 50 to 100 range. The action of the Senko would have been greatly effected. Again, many reasons why bass won't bite and the kind of line is most likely last. IMO and the opinion of many fish experts.
Idk about the production value with this one but I always I appreciate from you boys
As a majority bank fisherman, I do not bring many rods with me( sometimes only one). I was a flourocarbon truther because I had confidence in it, but I watched a video Matt did about two years ago and I wanted to switch to braid to try different techniques. I did not have confidence at first, mostly because I didnt trust my flourocarbon to braid knots and I kept thinking fish have to see that braided line!
I decided to buy some Maxima Ultragreen to use as a leader with one of the recommended braided lines and WOW my confidence has gone through the roof these past two years. The durability, reliability, castability and most important VERSATILITY of this setup is bar none in my opinion. I practically throw everything on this setup and you DO get the best of both worlds with a quality braid and a quality mono leader.
I really appreciate TacticalBassin... I know this was long, but with all the lazy misinformation on the internet nowadays I want to let new viewers know, THESE GUYS KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT!
Alright Tim stay off my google history i was literally just looking at what line to use yesterday because I'm going to be setting up a ultralight combo when it comes in the mail tomorrow. But great video very helpful.
I made the swap to braid to leader per TB’s recommendation and it’s made managing spools and line so much easier. The braid lasts a lot longer saving so much money. Tactical’s made a lot easier...like catching fish 😂
These videos are super helpful.
Great stuff. Love getting my info off of this channel cause they know what they’re doing. At this moment I’m at a gas station in Nebraska driving towards California. I’m moving there. So what better people to get my fishing info than tactical bassin.
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but if fluorocarbon is 99% invisible, why do you bother with different pound test lines? Why not just use the #8-10 on all of it since they won't see it anyways?
I really like the Sufix 832 for most of my fishing set up. The smooth castabilty is a plus. Good video 💪🏻👌
Me too man 👍🏻💯
832 was my go to braid before power pro super slick V2 was released. SS V2 has been much better for me.
832 + fluro leader 💯 works very well and gives you the best of both worlds
832 w/ fluro leaders here.
Caleb Wilson Appreciate knowing that-👊🏻
Great video Tim! Thanks for making these
Thank you Cole. Glad you like them!
TacticalBassin I was fortunate enough to get to meet Matt last year in Guntersville. And since then have been watching pretty much everything you guys put out. 🤘🏼
Talk about braid to leader diameter matching. Ex: 60lb braid to 12-15 fluoro. Or 20-30 braid to 8-10 fluoro. Still learning what diameters work best with each other
great idea
I try and match diameter of line.
I use a 20lbs braid main with a 12lbs fluorocarbon leader. You want the fluorocarbon diameter to be bigger than the braids diameter because braid line in time cuts into the fluoro material a little. I found 20braid and 12fluoro works great for me.
ddm62571 I’ve tried that. I use a uni to uni knot and my braid starts to fray at the knot so idk :(
@@boppinkid1991 Do you mean it starts to fray at the cut end of the knot?
I use Yo-Zuri Hybrid. 12# and 20#. Thanks Tim.
Yea that's some super strong line I use it also.
I was having alot of problems breaking off with that line in 15# in a tournament. it was honestly a joke. So I tested it rubbing against brick on the corner of my house and it was breaking super easy. I will say that I tested 12# sunline assasin behind it and it outlasted 15# hybrid line.
@@seanwood4032 Yozuri hybred is weird line you cant use it for 2 seasons you need to change it out more often in a single season it gets weak if left on for a long time I noticed...But for how cheap it is it's good line for the $. I use 6lb and 10lb some times. I know it's not as good as sunline but that costs way more. Also you may have gotten a super old roll that was laying around in the shop for many years maybe?
@@PHFishingBiking I reckon so but my new motto is a poor man can't afford nothing cheap buy nice or buy twice.
True story - I fish lake Erie smallmouth (very clear water). Always used Maxima fluoro leaders. Caught the usual amount of bass last season. Realized when packing away for the winter that I accidentally bought Maxima mono leader and was using that all season. 🤷♂️
Lol see flouro leaders scare me. In afraid they're gonna shatter
For people starting out, braid is the most economical. For fun fishing, braid will last 2, 3, 4 YEARS. I've had to replace it from getting too low before I've had to replace it for breaking down.
Thanks for mentioning the ultralight finesse fishing part. 2lb fluro for trout jigs are the best. Can’t use mono, too much stretch and you miss the hooks set. Can’t feel it fast enough. Braid ripping through the water is a turn off for trout. Fluoro for trout, mono for crabbing, crappie fishing (paper mouths), treble baits, and floating bait, braid for all else.
What if you’re using a spinning Shimano Nasci 2500 FC with a 90mm or 60mm whopper plopper too water? Wouldn’t monofilament be better for that delay setting topwater plopper treble hooks? I never fished before so I need some advice… got my feel today just waiting for my Shimano Sellus 7.1 med/fast rod. I’m mostly looking for bass but if I want to catch any fish really… hell I’d be happy with a good fish Lol
Good stuff Tim! 💯
Thank you!
After years of fishing I’ve learned:
Braid on medium to heavy action poles for larger fish and salt like Cat/Carp/Striper.
Mono with medium action poles for mid to smaller fish like Trout/Bass/Crappie especially if trolling.
Always read the side of your reels for best line weights. I’ve seen people put 50lb mono test on reels that say they only handle up to 20lbs 170 yards. Then they wonder why they’re always bird nesting or have line issues. It’s important to understand your gear.
Yes I have been waiting for this vid
My dad and i have somehow gotten away with 10lb fluorocarbon or mono for 30+years. There are times we have looked at each other in amazement that we just hauled a hog out from heavy heavy weeds/lily's etc. Im talking line that is heavily under rated for conditions we fish and several seasons old. We have wisened up as of the last 5,6 years, using braid but if we are casting fluorocarbon or mono, its still 10lb test.
I made the switch with braid to leader a couple months ago and I’ll never go back. The big thing for me is memory. I cannot stand the intense memory of mono and fluoro as it wrecks my casting distance and often causes backlash. Lost a few jigs in the connection knot process but it was well worth it and I can have a new leader in under 2 min now
Thanks for the always good videos. I'm a big fan of copolymer, specifically Sufix Advance, to me its the best of mono and fluoro in one line
EXCELLENT SOURCE OF INFORMATION. GREAT VIDEO.
Great video, I am still working my Maxima Ultragreen plus Chameleon on occassion. Have not switched yet.
The Maxima Chameleon line has been around for a long time. I remember using it back in 1980 it is very strong and has great abrasion resistance. Maxima ultra-green it's my line of choice. The color blends in so well with so many different bodies of water.
D10 DozerMan I hear ya I have maxi spools of Ultra-green 4 - 10, using the 12lb Chameleon for those stripers, little tougher to spool than the ultra though.
@@FishingTime_LetsGo the chameleon is a stiffer line and has better abrasion resistance than the ultra green. I feel the ultra-green has less memory to. I only use
ultra-green, like Tim said I do use Maxima fluorocarbon on my finesse rods though.
D10 DozerMan I might try some Maxima Flouro after watching this vid though.
For something like an underspin, spinnerbait, swimjig, etc would you use braid to fluoro?
Besides using all three major line types, I have also used a “line” that very few people are even aware of. When I was young, I used what the real old timers used for lake trout fishing on the Finger Lakes of New York State. Copper wire! Plus it is used in a hand fishing method from wooden row boats. A metal spoon is hand jigged while rowing. The copper wire sinks to the depths lake trout are found during the summer. No downrigger needed. Hand fishing with copper wire = common technique used in the mid 20th century.
Wow!
Very informative! Thanks!
How about co poly?
The maxima Ultragreen that I mentioned is actually listed as a copolymer.
Been using maxima for 40 years was the toughest out back then used to catch 6ft baracuda with no steel leader consistently
maxima ultra green 12 to 14 # has been my go to for salmon plugging with spinners in the carquinez straits . cant beat it great knots, supple, and takes abuse from rocks and pilings. only line i will use for salmon. carry's over well for stripers to .
It works great! Thanks for commenting
Informative video. I would like it if you had included copolymer as well though.
Been using maxima chameleon line since I was a kid. Best all around in my opinion.
I noticed that you didn't mention it but that Sun line FC structure is worth giving a shot if you haven't tried yet. Anyways I'm sure a lot of people will enjoy the content of this video. Well done Tim
Thank you Mike. I recently did a video on the FC Structure. I really like it. So far ive been really impressed with the technique specific lines from Sunline.
ever try the crankbait flouro for a leader due to the increased stretch?
I know you guys do buyers guides all the time, but I'd love to hear your opinion on which setups and pieces you feel like gain the most from upgrading. Maybe an order youd recommend upgrading if you are someone who has a solid basic lineup from your $100 combos video, which pieces make the most sense to upgrade first and why. Love the content guys 😁
What kinda braid is invisible if they have such a kind & brand???
Thoughts on using a heavy mono backing on braid? Does it Hurt sensitivity any? Worth doing?
I personally have 12lb fluorocarbon in about 20yards worth as a backer and no leader at the end of my 50lb braid. I personally haven't had a problem with to much besides actually using braid for the first time lol.
I use 20 lb mono backing on my 80 lb braid, I don't notice any difference in sensitivity. But that is pretty heavy line and rigs. Should note, this is on mostly musky set-ups and more often than not, for moving baits - FWIW.
Awesome job!
Thank you!
I personally SWEAR by applying KVD line conditioner! I would say it’s kinda pricey but totally worth it!
Nice video...I just tested some of that new sunline Xplasma braided line and WOW it is awesome so far... try it out super smooth cast a mile!
We've played with it some but we dont have enough time in with it. So far its been great!
@@tacticalbassin I used it on 2 fishing trips I think it's my favorite braid now I use suffix 832 and that's nice also but the Xplasma casts for ever...... got to see how it holds up in the long run though.
I only run straight Floro here in Michigan, water clearing is normally pretty high
Also cannot beat the sensitivity
Is braided line not rough on rod guides
What leader knot do y’all use?
surgen or line to leader
Trying swimbait like Gigantarel. Got tranx 400 with 80lb braid... should i use fluorocarbon leader and if so will 25lb floural line be ok and what king of knot... thank you
I just got to work so I haven’t watched but can you please touch up on it reply to this comment about co-polymer line please!! I just ordered a heavy combo for my flipping and pitching with jigs and frogging and I’m going to put about 45 lb braid on and u was going to put about 17 flourocarbon on my current 7’ mh for more of my moving bait applications and maybe worming but I also keep hearing about this co polymer. Can someone please inform me on which is best and why? I would greatly appreciate it
Co polymer is a combination of nylons whereas monofilament is only one. The Maxima Ultragreen that we talk about and recommend is actually a co polymer.
Do you guys have any experience with seaguar tatsu line? The price is ridiculous but I’ve heard good things (from sponsored pros of course)
I actually searched through your previous videos to see what braid you were using for crankbaits and bought 832 for the first time. What are your feelings about the Berkley x9 braid?
They are all good lines, no doubt. But there is nothing, and I mean nothing compared to MaxCuatro. It's more expensive, but it's absolutely amazing. I highly recommend it.
New to fishing, what weight of lines do I need fishing small lakes and rivers with these fishing lines?
What about soft tail swimbaits?
I bought braid as my first line…on the pole it said 6-12 lbs so I bought ten. 3rd cast I threw my $12 lure off into the abyss!! I paid $35 for this line (almost half what I paid for the pole and reel combo) but I could easily tear the stuff with my bare hands. They need to note that they’re not equivalent lb tess on the box!!
Maybe you bought bad braid. 10lb braid is equivalent to 10lb mono or fluro with breaking strength. That spool of braid will last you years if taken care of. You will go through lots of spools of mono in the same time.
Braid is significantly thinner. That allows throwing lighter lures and casts further. If a rod states 6-12lb line, that means 6-12lb mono diameter. The equivalent braid for diameter would be 30lbs or more braid. Its about diameter not test.
Have you guys ever tried gamma fluorocarbon? If so what are you thoughts?
Nice video Tim. Just right.
I tried using braid 20 lb test in my bait caster for top water, and I find it carving into the rest of the spool. What do then?
Tim fishing in the north alot I'm sure you know of cortland masterbraid. The best braid hands down
Hey tim what sunline would you recommend for jerkbaits?
would you use ultragreen as a leader in tea stained water ? (3-5 feet vis)
You said mono has no memory? Braid has no memory? I heard you mention the trick of hot water but it does remember
Whats your guys thinking behind hi-viz braid for baitcasters
What do you think about Izorline XXX?
Great job as always! Is it possible to go into a little more detail on leader length per technique?
Thank you! Typically I (Tim) run a longer leader on my finesse setups. Usually my flouro is 10' -15' or so. If Im in deeper, clear water, then Ill go longer. As far as my lager mono leaders fro glide baits and topwaters, I typically try and keep my connection knot just outside of my line guide on my reel. Depending on the length of the rod determines how long my leader will be. Hopefully this makes sense.
Great information thank you, I recently bought a small lake house on unfamiliar water... The water is very dark and little to no visibility and I am having a hard time fishing it... I mark fish all day long in great spots and nothing... I use braided line 95% of the time... You talked about clear water but not murky is there something I can do different, a different line or line set up? Thanks for any help in advance 👍
I would think since the waters murky braid would just fine since visibility sounds poor. Have you not been getting bites?
In your case, I suspect it is less about the line and more about lure selection (type & color) and technique (what you're targeting and method/how). Slow down!
How do you keep track of what line is on what reel. What’s the consensus on best practices?
I have a small label maker and put the information I need on that and attach it to my rod. They are fairly inexpensive.
Really want to change back to braid but i hate the knot between braid/fluro and the feeling of the knot on a cast, went back to mono now to avoid the knot, using Yo Zuri Hybrid its not a fantastic line but im very satisfied
curious on the thoughts around using low vis green copolymer line?
Sounds like I’m gonna have to make the switch to braid! I have some on my spinning combo, but would like to get some lo vis braid for my baitcaster s.
I'm looking to throw braid to leader on my jig rod. Do you have a preference between Maxcuatro vs Suffix 832? I've seen you guys mention both kinds for jigs in the past, so just curious. Thanks!!
I’ve had issues with regular power pro breaking off on small fish, is maxcautro any better than regular power pro as far as strength? (I use 30lb)
I love maxcurato for my light techniques, and walleye fishing. Anything over 20 lb, I use 832.
loos15 that’s what’s up, thanks man👊
When throwing braid with a flouro/mono leader texas rigged, should the sinker size be upsized to offset any lift from the floating braid?
You're way overthinking things.
@@joesixer you are probably correct. Lol.
Great video, slowly making the switch to braid on almost all my reels. What pound test braid do you throw on your 7ft med hvy rods, also what pound test leader? What is the lightest pound test praise you throw on a bait caster?
I just came from Tim’s video on the same topic from 3 years ago where he said Mono has a memory and causes the same problems you’re saying fluro causes. I’m confused.
I live in Nashville, TN and occasionally go to Chattanooga. What color braid would you recommend? I was thinking either black or white...?
sunline asegai is worth the money
Not sure if I missed it. But what poundtest do you use for your finesse braid?
I use to never throw top water on floro, but being from Alabama and seeing G man at Guntersville he recommended it for buzzbaits and since using it with them I have noticed more bites and better hook ups. Mono would cause me to not hook up on longer cast and braid I would loose the fish from ripping holes in their mouths. I also use it with ploppers
Interesting. I would think that the fluoro would weigh down the popper and affect the action.
I use a fluro leader for all my topwater also aside from frogs obviously, the only time you need to worry about fluro sinking is if the bow in the middle of you line when you cast is in the water, that will weigh down everything behind it. But just a leader wont pull down the braid in front of it
I just got an Okuma travel spinning rod and reel combo (size 20 - up to 8# line) for my truck. What would be the best all purpose line to load on it? I’m in the Midwest fishing dirtier waters for bass/crappie and will be fishing both surface and below surface baits. Any help will be appreciated immensely. All my other reels have mono on them but I’m interested in the braid but have never used it before.
That Maxcuatro is pretty thin stuff. The 30lb works out to 0.23mm, that’s like 8lb sniper so what’s the thinking of using 15lb braid or less for the finesse applications ? Surely having a thicker leader than braided mainline is going to cause issues.
Thanks Tim, Great video and a lot of great information, you and Matt is really on your video’s,on how to do and what works best for you Both , the name of products
Thanks 👍
@TacticalBassin Great Video, So I love to throw a jig usually I throw 17lb flouro would braid to a flouro leader be better? and if so what size braid should I use to a flouro leader.
What if im around toothy fish tho??
Toothy critters are hard lol. Ive lost a lot of baits because of them.
@@tacticalbassin yeah just took a trip to Wisconsin from cali and was a little scared to throw the big bait but caught mostly bass anyways and thew bug a bit
For me a steel or mono leader has help me with those toothy fish! Happy fishing!
P line flouro clear is awesome line
Great video awesome tips
Thank you Jose!
Awesome video, was curious if you always just go straight mono for topwater or if you have any other methods for topwater?
Great video. How do you get over the fear of the leader knot not holding up? That’s the only thing keeping me from using a leader over straight braid. I don’t trust the knot, or my ability to tie a good enough knot lol
Gotta keep tying em on and setting the hook lol
Great Video! Also I’ve got a question. There is this little pond that runs off a lake I fish and it is just filled with Lilly pads in about 6 feet of water. What should I use to catch these fish because I can see them moving the pads.
FROG!! Get some 50-65 pound braided line and throw a frog on those pads :)
TacticalBassin any particular frog because I did that and I failed badly 😂
@@zandercostanza they might be carp.
datruth hurts maybe. there are a lot of carp on this lake because the lake runs off the Alabama river
@@tacticalbassin frogs are topwater right? so top water fishing straight braid is ok with no leader… won’t they see the line or does it not matter too water? Sorry I’ve never fished before I’m waiting for my first spinning reel/rod to be delivered… Shimano Nasci/2500 with Shimano Sellus 7.1 Med/Fast. Seems I should have gotten a bait caster because that’s what everyone uses on TH-cam
Hey Matt and Tim Yall need to try P line Halo definitely the strongest and most subtle I've tried all the top brands and it's a winner for me
Hey Tim thanks for the great content 👍🏻I know I'm late but if could you please do a video on the different pound braid and leaders that you use for specific applications? Also if you could mention which techniques you don't use braid for, you mentioned crankng in some instances but I'm assuming for jerkbaits you use FC too?
Guys! Keep having leader knot failure on my alderbaren. I run braid to leader on almost everything and tie a blood knot. Do not have any other failures. Tieing 15lb 832 to 8-12lb sunline sniper and about a 20ft lead. Knot seems to explode in the reel on the cast. Not everytime but often enough to were it’s definitely an issue. Any suggestions? Thanks
Braid all the way