The Stormlord: A Treantmonk Blood Hunter Build
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- This build combines Blood Hunter with Tempest Cleric to make a lockdown build that can utterly debilitate their enemies round after round.
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Me: Main issue with blood hunter is it's too MAD, needing four attributes.
Chris: I don't think blood hunter is MAD enough so let's multiclass with cleric so we need wisdom too!
I had built some blood Hunter clerics back when they were wisdom based. They were pretty great!
Now, how do I get Paladin on this build...
So how do they need four attributes because in my mind I see you needing strength, wisdom, and constitution for this build and nothing else really
oh wait my bad they must have changed that well I am home brewing that away personally because intelligence is stupid and there is better ways to make it not stupid
@@NobodyDungeons I like it lot more as Int as there is way too few classes that use Int, and this way bloodhunter perfectly fills the trifecta of hybrid martial classes together with paladin (cha) and ranger (wis). And with standard blood hunter, you need strength to hit and damage, at least 14 dex for ac since blood hunters aren't proficient in heavy armor, con for hitpoints, and int for your special abilites.
That sir is how you get your dm to remove you from their table lol
Yes, this one would be frustrating ;)
With how they updated blood hunter to where you can choose int or wis to be your main ability score, this build is A LOT more feasible and thus more potent.
This looks fricken awesome. Talk about a combination of classes I didn't see coming. You really did an amazing job with this one. Even before all the multiclass abilities come online it's still quite powerful.
That is some nice use of multiclass and usage of feats. Love it!
Fun, creative build!
It makes me think of the Talosians in Paul S. Kemp's "The Twilight War" trilogy. The Talosians are very memorable characters.
I also think of 4E's Kord, who is present in Matt Mercer's Exandria/Wildemount setting. This build would make for a cool Champion of the Stormlord in that context. Kord's doctrine allows for a variety of characters, and these mechanics would make that character fun to play.
That's by far the best D&D channel on youtube, like from Brasil hahahaha
Thank you!
This build becomes especially excellent with belts of giant strength. Dear Talos.
Just so you know, Sentinel and Warcaster don’t drop the target to 0 Movement. You aren’t making an opportunity attack when you use Warcaster to cast a spell instead of taking an opportunity attack.
Sentinel- “Whenever you hit a creature with an opportunity attack, its speed drops to 0 for the rest of the turn. This stops any movement they may have been taking.”
Warcaster- “When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, RATHER THAN making an opportunity attack. The spell must have a casting time of 1 action and must target only that creature.”
Emphasis on rather than.
Other than that, great video Chris!
Good catch! Yeah, so I guess you just make a regular attack with an opportunity attack. That's a bit unfortunate, but fortunately the thunder damage is not required for the build to work.
Treantmonk's Temple precisely. It doesn’t break the build by any means, and honestly forcing an enemy to take the damage anyways from a Booming Blade still by no means is terrible. It doesn’t stop them 100% from moving but it can absolutely prevent them from wanting to move.
@@keeganmbg6999 i just took interest into this build, what I think is you don’t really need sentinel if you have spirit guardians going. If the enemy has a speed of 30 feet within the spirit guardians, the speed will be 15 feet. If the creature loses movement for closing in, then push it 10 feet, it will never be able to reach you again unless the creature dashes. If the enemy did that, it could not attack anymore. Always make sure that you are 10 feet from an enemy if possible. With the extra feat option open I would increase strength I think
@@Hendori3 that only prevents melee not ranged, keeping sentinel helps prevent the ranged creatures from running away and attacking. Other than that I agree entirely. You could of course pick some ranged cantrips to aid in this.
@@keeganmbg6999 if you have a ranged attacker, wouldn’t you be standing next to them? If they then try to move because they want to attack, you can do an opportunity attack. If they would disengage, they can’t attack anymore and wouldn’t be able to get out of the area of your spirit guardians. If they moved out while they want to attack, they do receive damage from the booming blade. I guess you would get hit by their attacks. But even then, I don’t see the sentinel feat as essential.
I don't know when Matt updated it but I'm pretty certain there's a Variant Rule on the updated Blood Hunter that allows you to use Wisdom or Intelligence for your hemocraft features, saving throws, etc. Not sure if that necessarily means the multiclassing requirements change with it (since I can't find anything explicitly saying so) but it would pretty darn stupid if you ask me for that not to be the intention. If that's the case, you can definitely make this less MAD with that rule, and it opens up some much better flexibility for Blood Hunter builds since some of the subclasses work better with INT multiclassing and others work better with WIS.
Edit: whoops didn't read other comments pointing this out a year ago lol
Chris I love your builds. They have influenced two of my builds, how could you make a Whip an effective weapon?
Bugbear Rouge
Theres a couple thing you can do with whips and yeah rogue is definetly one of them.
Personally i think that smites Are more existing so you could go paladin and then Bard for more spellslots.
Then you can decide for yourself if you wonna go extra attack or booming blade (which is going to be more effective when you have reach)
I think pala2 Lore Bard 6 would be cool then you could take spirit guardians and whip fools in the Mean time!
@@NoZignature I know this comment is 10 months old so no shade to you, but for anyone who may read in the future Tasha’s changed Booming Blade and RAW it only works on weapon attacks within 5ft
Old comment but I’ll put my two cents in anyway. I’d do a dexterity based fighter wielding a whip in one hand and a sword in another. Go battle master and do stuff like trip attacks at 10ft, get sentinel etc. There are more effective options but I’ve been wanting to build a circus lion tamer fighter who uses a pistol and a whip. The same combo on a rogue could give off big Indiana jones vibes
Excellent. I haven't played around with Bloodhunter any, but have theory crafted a similar build with Ranger as the martial component. Bloodhunter would seem to be a similar, but even better mix. 👍
I'm thinking about making one of my npc enemies just be this player character.
He would be in the street standing on a chair and he would have another empty chair 5 feet away from him. He would toss a spear at the toughest looking party member (preferably a fighter or a paladin) and he would say "I'll give you an entire set of my finest plate armor if you knock me off this chair, however, if you get knocked off your chair, I get something from you."
There you go fellas, if you regret giving your party a magic item... that's one way to remove it.
New blood hunter changes made this even better now you can use wisdom for hemocraft
The concern I have with this build is you need 11th level for it to really start working, and how often at that level are you going to be facing single enemies without reach or non-melee attack options?
I guess you could ditch the shield and take glaive or some other reach weapon of your own. You'll still have a decent armor class for those few attacks that manage to get through
I think this is more of finnaly making a build work that makes use of that featurd of the divine domain, not a build that is necessarily the best
From the blood hunter PDF: As a bonus action, you activate a crimson rite on a
single weapon with the elemental energy of a known rite of your choice that lasts until you finish a short or long rest, or if you aren’t holding the weapon at the end of your turn.
If you choose the Order of the Ghostslayer, you're not locked into radiant damage. You get to choose which rite to use.
That's true, though that radiant damage is a big feature of that subclass, seems like a wasted choice if you are sticking with lightning damage, though I guess in an undead heavy campaign it still might be a good choice.
Dope build, I hope to use this one day
With Tasha’s you can I believe get this pushing and locking down online at level 6 with just fighter. The pushing would be 5 ft. The way it works is get a custom lineage or variant human for the pole arm master feat. At lvl 4 get crusher feat and at lvl 6 the sentinel feat. Wield a quarterstaff. When an enemy closes, you get an opportunity attack with your quarterstaff which deals bludgeoning damage. Thanks to crusher you can move it 5 ft. (It works once per turn). Because of sentinel it’s move speed is now 0, so he is 5ft away being stuck. It works with most subclasses of fighter.
You can swap polearm for focusing on the warhammer/maul for Thor vibes too.
I have honestly been trying to make something similar to the Stormlord prestige class for years in 5e and had never thought to use Blood Hunter to fill in the gap!
This was a fun build and could be considered for an update with the new rule on using Wisdom for BH features
This was an awesome build! Watching this video reminded me of your other bloodhunter video and I was wondering if you are planning to do a bloodhunter artificer build?
If you were to take more levels would it be worth dipping Druid, taking shillelagh, and wielding a quarter staff to be a more wisdom focused character to increase spell casting effectiveness without sacrificing melee damage?
Hope you're feeling well, Chris. Current world events plus the cough you had in the last video has me worried about you. I hope you're just taking a short break from vids, rather than fighting illness. Best wishes, buddy.
Brilliant! Do you plan on making a ''nova'' build? Gloomstalker+Assassin+Echo Knight type character that does a ridiculous amount of damage on 1st round?
I’m not sure if this is something weird with my screen or the video but a lot of random letters are highlighted. Other than that I’m excited for this build, great video so far as usual
That sounds like you accidentally opened a search function
How Are you, Chris? Your voice seems a bit rough :( wish you well!
I'm sick. There was a lot of coughing edited out. But I'm holding up.
Our boy got the corona
@@dustinsmith2021 I have not been tested, my wife has, but no results yet.
Treantmonk's Temple good luck my dude! God bless.
@@TreantmonksTemple If you live in the US, to my understanding, that you can donate blood and they have to test you for free.
Hey Chris. I hope you are doing OK. Do you plan on doing a video about the new character options in the Wildemount book?
Thanks, I'm still sick, but I think I'm starting to get better. Yes, I plan on covering Wildemount very soon.
This is great ! A great combo the works in every way! From our last talk.. I did find a clause for variant sub-classes for Artificer/BS. However, I thought a that a multi class rune knight/battle smith and place the extra runes on my iron defender? the BS, I think would have to be ( 9th lvl or 15th lvl or... a Artillerist/ mage and have one cannon to heal, range party members?The arti would have to be 9th or13th lvl, to be effective..I think? How would mage in armor work?.. with Mage /Battle smith? I enjoy your vids greatly and allow for very creative options to spice up the the story line of the character. Thank you!
At later levels would you get spell sniper and do the same tactic with a halberd? I feel like reach would do a lot for this build.
Am I wrong in thinking a Graviturgist wizard could accomplish the same basic concept at level 6 without needing lightning damage using a quarterstaff (which, depending on the DM, could also be your staff focus)? You also wouldn't need bloodhunter that way, though the intelligence saves make that an appealing choice.
You could even stand just on the outside of a hazard and knock creatures back into it while reducing their speed.
Treantmonk you should make a Bloodhunter Oathbreaker multiclass
2022 update: this build is way easier now with WIS Blood hunter! Keep in mind though that ambushing your DM with this is a good way to get Bleach in your Cereal!
Jokes aside, I wonder if the better spellcasting flexibility alters this build significantly?
Don’t forget that with destructive wrath you can use call lightning and for the next ten minutes, instead of your opponents taking 3d10 lightning damage, they take a solid 30 every time the lightning zaps them...of course, that is just a tempest cleric mechanic rather than a multiclass feature.
It only works for the first damage roll, not ongoing rolls, but still pretty effective.
I made a BH Order of the Lycan/Druid Circle of the Moon and it's pretty great even at lower levels, but this is really interesting as well.
This is a hilarious build! Just one thing though, I don't think you could combine war caster with sentinel. Sentinel says that you need to hit with an opportunity attack to reduce the target's speed to zero. War caster says you can cast a spell instead of taking an opportunity attack. So technically if you cast a spell with war caster that's no longer an opportunity attack.
Any dm who actually rules it this way is... not fun haha
@@brannenpfister2579 Sentinel is already the best feat in the game, the player should be lucky the DM let them take that feat at all!
@@dumbwaki5877 What…?
@@valentinrafael9201 I'll be honest, I don't remember making this comment ever. I retract my previous statement. The best feat in the game is probably crossbow expert or telekinetic.
In my player's handbook polearm master says you only get the bonus action attack with a glaive, halberd or quarterstaff, and that enemies only provoke when entering your reach with a glaive, halberd, pike or quarterstaff. Did this change is some errata to include spears?
It must have, this is the current text, "While you are wielding a glaive, halberd, pike, quarterstaff, or spear, other creatures provoke an opportunity attack from you when they enter the reach you have with that weapon." Though a quarterstaff has basically the same stats as a spear (bludgeoning instead of piercing - that's it)
@@TreantmonksTemple How does this build work with how bonus action heavy it is? At level 6 1d6+3, 1d6 lightning, 1d6 necrotic and 1d4+3 sounds amazing but you don't get that till the third round of combat and that's cutting into your bonus action polearm attack. So it works out to be round 1) 1d6+3 plus either hex or lightning maybe both if you did the blood maledict or whatever before the fight and just kept the spear in hand constantly. Round 2) 1d6+3 plus 1d6(lightning) 1d6(necrotic) plus 1d4+3. You also have to hope you bless before hand or your stuck with +6 to hit in tier 3. It seems like ultimately a very powerful and just as importantly very flavourful and creative build but idk.
@@j.a.6310 I think crimson rite should always be activated after taking a rest. If you need to put your weapon away you'll want to take it out and activate again asap. But yeah, with hex you'll miss out on the bonus action attack on the first round. I think taking order of the mutant with Potency would average higher damage, especially when it turns to a +4 to strength at 11th level. But order of the profane soul is great for its versatility and increased spellcasting.
The pushback effect trigger oppotunity attack ? I read that opportunities aren't triggered by something that moves you ?
Ok i got my answer is polearm master that trigger the attack
Any thoughts on a blood hunter/rogue multiclass?
I haven't given it a lot of thought, but my initial guess is that Arcane Trickster would fit in just fine with an archery build.
may as well go all in with melee for the last 9 levels. 3 more levels of cleric gets you an extra d8 thunder on hit and 6 levels of echo knight fighter will get you action surge, +1ac style, along with being able to make attacks from your echo, and 2 extra feats or getting your strength to 20.
I made a mutant blood hunter, and got to run around with 25 dexterity shooting a handcross bow 4 times a round doing 1d10+1d6+17 damage a hit with a DPR of 60.8 damage, and that was only using my crimson rite ability it could go even higher if I used other abilities as well.
Is taking one more level in blood hunter worth it, to get the brand, extra pact magic slots, and blood curse?
This is so broken, amazing.
Lovely build, but to adress your main combo, it will work to push enemies away, but you wouldn't get free attacks on it every round. If the creature can't move and only has a melee attack, it can just ready action to attack anyone that comes into melee range.
Then the enemy can stew in your Spirit Guardians while it waits for you to attack which you won't bother to do.
Mutant vs Profane Soul
Level 6
Profane Soul
Spear+Hex+Blood Rite (d6)+dueling
((10.5+6)*2)*.6= 19.8
Polearm Master (9.5+6)*.6=9.3
29.1
Mutant
Spear+Blood Rite+Potency Mutagen+Polearm Master+Bless
(24+7.5+6)*.775=29.06
-Bless=24+7.5+6*.65=24.375
Profane Soul loses 9.3 damage on the turns it kills a target while mutant loses 24.375 on the turn it casts Bless. Which means that Mutant is better in fights where there are 3 or more targets and Profane Soul does more on turns where there are 3 or fewer targets. Mutant does more damage without using a spell slot but Profane Soul has more spell slots.
Granted I didn’t apply the math to critical s which probably tilts things in the favor of Profane Soul.
Playing something similer to this currently. though im using the half-elf mark of storm race from ebberon, and even though level 5 right now i took 3 tempest cleric, an 2 evocation wizard to somewhat protect my friends from my AoE spells. Then 3 levels of storm sorcerer for that small fly + meta magics, from there blood hunter.
Come here 4 years later to say this build becomes even stronger, cause now blood hunters can use Wisdow instead of Intelligence.
You could simplify this with 1 level of Genie warlock, even continue to 3 for blade pact or 5 for thirsting blade (extra attack) right? Still MAD but a different flavor.
Unfortunately you get thunder damage not lighting so it wouldn’t trigger the knock back
Couldn't you have simply taken magic initiate for shocking grasp?
So I'm going to try this in my next game. Giving the character a backstory of being Thors son turned fully human by the new gods using fey magic. His blood is worthy of the powers of Thor so it explains the blood turning weapons into weaker mjollnir like weapons. Fey magic used explains why fey is a favorite target. He will be full on stereotype viking with horned helm and armor that looks cool but isn't period (plate like Odin in the Marvel movies but black and steel cuz I like that more). Speaking of Odin he is the reason he will use a spear. Hopefully I can talk my dm into letting in a homered weapon to mimic Gungnir (a spear that never misses would be too op but I think halfs opponents ac when used and hits when thrown that way I'll have to voluntarily disarm to make the auto hit feature), but I don't want to get that until very late in game when it wouldn't matter and everyone is godlike anyway. Maybe he could be raised by Loki to help with the hex magic aspect of the character. Its probably going to be a one-shot game for my fiances birthday so I don't think it will be too hard to convince the dm.
Isnt the Feral Might a Bonus that stack with Dueling and Magic Weapons, ? seens like a Rage damage
Edit: that said Mutant with the STR mutagen can get a +1 or +2 dmg boost at all time with an accuracy bonus too
Am I wrong in thinking this build works better if you go 6 straight cleric THEN dip into blood hunter? It comes online at 8 instead of 11.
Well I'm going to find out soon. My dm is running a lvl9 campaign and her only rule on multiclass is you have to be a minimum of 5 lvls of your starting class in any order as long as the lvl 9 character has 5 lvls of its starting class. I was going to go 1 cleric 4 bloodhunter and 4 cleric but I don't think there will be much of a difference going 6 cleric and 3 bloodhunter as long as I get those other 2 blood hunter lvls after. She is also working with me on belts of giant strength so that may help.
Why do you treat prepared divine casters like spontaneous casters, as if they have to choose spells every level? Just curious.
This build now works way better because you can use Wis with the blood hunter
Hmmm what would go well with a cleric ... idk , maybe a friggin WARLOCK PATRON , HELL LETS MAKE HIM CTHULLU
To be clear im joking , i lov ur vids , i just found this funny
Would the 10feet knockback also proc booming blade's additional damage as well?
No, booming blade damage only comes from voluntary movement
An interesting build for sure but I see a problem and that is as a melee character the constitution and dexterity saves are really low. Especially Dex. With a -1 in that area this character is not going to make many of them. I think what would work is to dump War Caster and take Resilient Dex to aid you there. Plus Booming Blade via Warcaster isn't going to reduce the speed of the opponent to zero which is what I think you're really going for in this build. I think you'd rather hit them with a regular opportunity attack to immobilize them. So even though you're doing less damage every round by forgoing BB you get to stand back and not risk any attacks.
Warcaster is there to make the build possible. You can’t play this without warcaster. How are you casting anything?
@@valentinrafael9201 dude. The comment is two years old. Why are you bothering me?
i love this build but its a shame it only really shines with lvl 11, but the combo is amazing, now you need a magic spear that returns to you when thrown no idea if something like this even exists but it would be a nice addition to the build
There are very rare returning weapons. ( or two levels of artificer )
could someone give a quick list of the stats needed and feats needed? I have a very poor memory and I hate having to watch the whole video each time I reference it :(
Try watching it, pausing and taking notes where needed
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I did this build with a few tweaks... Dex Based with a whip and took the Slasher feat
I'm not seeing how you provoke an opp attack by having a creature get in melee with you
So personally I would forgo the sentinel feat in favor of increasing damage with the great weapon master which by that point in the game I'd have plate armor so I'd toss the shield in favor of a halberd to deal quite a bit more damage
in combination with the bless spell you'll be able to do a lot of damage all in some go
Sean Wisniewski After doing the math average damage using a spear and increasing your strength modifier is higher.
Level 6
- Halberd+Blood Rite+Bless+GWM
- 5.5+3+3.5= 12*2=24+5.5+30=59.5
- 59.5*.428=25.28
-59.5*.6728=40.03 (Advantage)
Level 6 Spear+Rite+Bless+dueling
- (3.5+6+3.5)*2+(2.5+6+3.5)=38
- 38*.725=27.55
-38*.9243=35.12 (Advantage)
Never mind. I missed the d6 for blood rite on the bonus action attack with the Halberd.
63
63*.428=26.964
.6728*63=42.38 (Advantage)
Huzzah!
I really really would love if you could do a video on a melee light domain cleric. Basically im making Michael carpenter from dresden files. I have started fighter for heavy armour went two levels of cleric so far.
I am considering going back to fighter for 4 more levels to get extra attack but i am the only one with any healing or inclination to do battlefield control. So also need to sit in cleric for a few more levels.
Probably could have done this better with paladin but i wanted the bursts of radiant energy because of certain scenes in dresden files inspiring me basically.
Also its a protector Aasimar.
But yeah how would you do a melee light domain sorta tank build and tactics wise.
I'll have to think about that. Light is not an obvious domain for melee
@@TreantmonksTemple Yeah like my current idea is make a scene get everything surrounding me and switch between word of radiance and channel divinity. Its the channel divinty that made me go light for my character concept.
@@TreantmonksTemple But its definitely more of a tank caster type of thing than going for maximum damage. I have full plate already thanks to lucky treasure rolls and the whole party chipping in for it. And sword and board.
I feel like the blood hunter is better mixed with the fighter the artificer specially the arcane archer the eldritch knight and the combat focused artificer
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Did they change the cleric? When I pick tempest cleric with v. human at level 1 the proficiencies only list light and medium armor.
I had 2 dms rage quit on me, first outright stated my guy couldnt exist after 3 hours of pain.... 2nd was my bros uni m8 who was trying to prove them wrong, with compromises storm cleric was the closest we got b4 he quit haha
Can someone do a wellness check on Chris... no video today...
Getting worried here as well.
Holy balls!!! 😯
if a player approached a game that you DM, and said "I want to do this, but with the previous, wis based bloodhunter", would you allow it?
EDIT: But then again, there was an addendum in the previous BH that polearms have to be rited on both ends for PAM, so it may not work as good as I want it to be
I had some issues with wording of a few abilities with the previous bloodhunter. What I would probably do is assure the player they can make the current bloodhunter work, as I saw a TH-cam video showing exactly how.
@@TreantmonksTemple its not about work-not work, but to potentially reduce the madness and make eldritch blast a very slightly better option
@@texteel When I DM, if a player comes to me with a character concept, I like to work with them to figure out how to make it work. However, I'm less responsive to a player that approaches me with a character-build they want to houserule to improve. Also, as I mention, I had some issues with the previous bloodhunter and was of the opinion it wasn't going to be a positive addition to my table.
Kord would like a word with you.
I'm confused as to how we get the opportunity attack? Spear does not have reach.
PAM: While you are wielding a glaive, halberd, pike, quarterstaff, or spear, other creatures provoke an opportunity attack from you when they enter your reach.
Before I even clicked on this video I knew you'd be mixing the storm cleric and blood hunter to maximize the crimson rite damage dice
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Aah. The sentinel polearm master abuse but even worse.
Isn't the Blood Hunter becoming legal with the new book coming out?
Nope. Since its in the DMsGuild it can never be official content due to licensing.
Can't cast Booming Blade with Warcaster anymore, they errataed it to target Self (5 feet)
Actually, it still works. It's the range that changed to self, not the target. twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/1326596181560942593
Now I can see there being a purely damage based version of this that would be very effective though blood hunter should really still use wisdom not intelligence
Not gonna lie, you were probably better off with the original Blood Hunter that used Wisdom to cut down on the abilities needed. If the original isn't in D&D Beyond, then I can understand. Plus, the Crimson Rite from the original is usable on multiple weapons, the opposite end of polearms counting as a separate weapon for it, making Polearm Master even better. Also, Diabolic Channel with Destructive Wrath would just be hilarious if done right. Yeah, you lose your character level in max HP for each Rite but that's high risk/high reward for you.
I was all excited, until I realised its a multiclass build. :(
Not allowed multiclassing?
@@TreantmonksTemple correct, our group does not allow multi classing.
Storm in the name.
Sorry but the build is terrible ;-)
If you force movement you dont get oportunity attack
True, but he doesn’t say that in the video. You use polearm master to reaction attack when someone comes in your reach, and then you push them away with thunderbolt strike.