John Deere 2030, 1640, 2140, 2650 Etc Power Steering Column Overhaul Part 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ธ.ค. 2016
- This video is part 2 of a series on resealing a power steering column on a John Deere utility tractor eg, 2030, 2130, 1640, 2040, 2140, 2250 to 2650 etc.
This clip is dismantling the column after it has beer removed from the tractor. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
My 2140 steering developed a leak and thought it was more than I could handle so I took it to a john deere dealer for repair. I got it back a week later and the leak was gone. After that the steering would wander to the right when at idle. Disappointed with the dealer, I ordered the rebuild kit online.
After a few days of gradually taking the steering apart (lotsa pictures) and reassembly, now the steering doesn't leak and it doesn't move on its own when you don't want it to.
Its amazing what one can do with a little patience and time to rectify something. The steering wheel had been removed by the dealer before so I didn't have the stress of removing it like you did.
Glad you got it sorted, The dealers often put the lad on a simple job like these and they dont quite know the detail as yet. Pleased the videos helped.
There are lessons you never forget for sure.
Experience is a very good teacher.
Been there and done that.
Mike
G Day Mike, You bet there are some lessons I learnt the hard way I will never forget. You feel such a fool when you realise whats going on lol
Goodmorning Bundy
I wile ago we had contact about the steering collomn of our 1140 jd. The video's helped a lot. I did the job. And the hydrolic steering is working again! Thanks for the help!
Greetings Ronald Ruijgrok, the Netherlands.
Glad I could help
Great video! What a blessing. Wish I'd found your video before I pulled mine apart on my 2150. Did you ever do a part 3 for re-assembly? I have mine apart and need to get those 6 o-rings installed back inside the housing. I'm concerned getting them in there properly without ruining them when pushing the shaft back in.
G day Nate, I will get part 3 done I just seem to be busy at the moment, just make sure the orings are sitting in well and use plenty of grease as it lubricates as well as holds the o rings from moving.
hi, what are the three hex grub screws on the cast housing used for? HAve you done a video on adjusting the handbrake on something like a 1750? Thanks mate
They are where they drilled the internal passages and then blocked them off on the outside.
I have a 2650 and a leaking at the top of the steering column but I don't have that big bold on the top of the steering column so how else will I get it off?
If it is power steering it will be the same, if hydrostatic it is different.
I can tell you've done a few of them Lance......helps if you know where everything goes eh! However most people have a video camera, usually on their phone, so just video it as you take it off, and you'll have a clue how it goes together.
That tip was told to me by a good friend years ago who was an ace tractor engineer. Before digital cameras etc he bought a polaroid and just took a few pics. Just thought it worth passing this on....might help someone.....
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G'day Lance, Thanks for your videos, much appreciated, we have a 2120 with hydraulic problems, i notice when lifting the linkage and then turning the steering it takes the pressure away from the linkage, wondering what your thoughts are?
We have replaced the transmission pump and this has made little difference, still slow to lift.
Thanks in advance . Blessings
The steering has priority as a safety feature so that is probably not too far from correct. Try blocking the steeribng off and see if that helps, you may have a steering column leak. Does fhe front pump destroke? If not there is a high pressure leak somewhere.
@@BundyBearsShed thanks Lance, I'm not sure what you mean by destroke?
Thanks for the video! Now, I have a question for you. I kinda need to get this old gal going again, drooling out under steering wheel and kinda leaning towards replacing the 6 o-rings only alternative that you mention. Since I got the entire seal kit, I would probably replace the dust barriers up under the big nut at the top as well. Now, at that point, should it decide to continue leaking, it looks like I could remove the whole valve assembly and do the bottom half without re-removing the top and chancing damaging the already-replaced seals. Thoughts?
The 6 o rings will probably get you going I would think .
Great video Lance, thank you for posting them!
My dilemma is on my 3130 , the steering column housing gets so warm you can hardly touch it..
No oil leaking.!
You have any suggestions..?
Thanks again lance!
Leave it alone at this stage, they do get warm.
I love your videos. I have the 2030 steering column apart but I don't have a big enough vice to get the contol valve apart. It apears that the valves dont move. Do you have any ideas with out a vice? I thought about a spring compressor.
Use 2 pieces of steel with a u shape cut out and some threaded rod each side works.
Hi is this the same Collum as a 1975 John Deere 410 backhoe ?
Yes I believe so.
I have the same on John Deere 3130 LS. Greetings from Poland.
Very cool! They were used on quite a few models.
Great video Bundy Bears Shed! I have recently traded up a JD 1530 that seems to be a nice old tractor. I do notice that the tractor has a lot of "room" in the steering. If you try to drive on the road it is a chore to keep it aimed where you want it. It had a bellcrank bushing replaced and new tie rods and drag link. I am wondering if that slack in the steering is related to what you are rebuilding now. Mine has power steering. Any thoughts you care to offer?
G Day Robby, The steering column should move up and down when you turn from left to right, that works the valves in the column. Have you checked the nut on the top of the pitman arm is tight? It often gets overlooked, there is a tin cover that you will need to pop off and do it up as tight as you can.
Thank you for your reply! I will check the tightness of the pitman arm nut for sure. Also..that column gets quite hot during operation. Is that normal?
I will also check the "nut" turning the wheel as well!!!! Have a great day....or night... :)
Very good video .Your videos are my go to when working on my tractors I am about to take my steering column off and reseal it is not leaking but steering locks up and will only turn again if I lift front wheels off the ground then it ok for a half hour or so then wheels off the ground again and so on .I have checked bell crank and all steering joints is there something I should look for in steering column reseal job Thanks again for your great vids Jim in Canada
jim
G Day Jim. Have you checked your king pin thrust bearings?
@@BundyBearsShed good point I will check and let you know how they are ------Thanks for your quick reply ----Jim
@@BundyBearsShed Hello yes finally got back to it yesterday and yes one thrust bearing was completely gone was able to fix with a bit of weld and a new bearing thanks very much for your info .Just watched your vid on the bell crank bushing I did the very same thing 10 yrs ago and it is still in good shape .I am enjoying your vids hope you keep it up ------Jim
First off, thank you soo much for posting this video!! My 2130 steering wheel rises and falls as I turn the wheel, and pops when I turn in one direction. I’m guessing I have to pull it and fix the piston you were talking about
The wheel needs to go up and down a little to work the valves, it needs to do that. The pop would probably be down the bottom end so pulling the column out for a look would be a good idea.
Bundy Bears Shed ok, mine rises about an inch or so, but only pops in one direction. You can feel the wheel rise up as it pops
Enjoyed the video man! But I have a question. My 2440 is pouring fluid out the bottom where it boats on when you turn it to the right. Will repackage it with a new kit fix the problem? Before it started leaking for years it would vibrate and shake when you turned to the right. Thanks for any help you can offer.
Yes a kit should work I believe,
Thanks!
Great video! I have about 2feet slack in the steering wheel before there is any movement in the pitman arm. Going to check the pitman lock nut and then proceed to take out the control arm connecting the pitman to the column...if there is nothing wrong there either then it´s the fishbone or seals in the column i guess....
1976 JD 3130 OPU Cab with HFWD.
Power steering seems ok, but i cannot turn wheels all the way from left to right/right to left without giving it some throttle or driving forward/reverse.
Check the king pin thrust bearings are not worn or need greasing as that can make it hard to steer at the extreme ends.
I like the video I was wondering if this is the same column as an 1830 John Deere tractor. .Mine seams to have a lot of play in it when going in a straight line, it's like the column does nothing when centered and wanders badly
claude houle yes they are the same but I would also look at the pivot other front axle
thank you I will check the front axle pivot also thanks again
Hello , I have a jd 300 ( industrial version of 1020) , 5 years back I used some value price hydraulic fluid and lost power steering one direction , loader only worked is steering was held hard in the direction it worked .I removed the column and disassembled, but when going to dealers for advice was told " no one here is old enough to remember those , we do not have parts or service manuals for anything that old" . Had all the parts laid out in order , but with grandkids , all the seals and o rings have gone missing . My question , do you know if all these vaves use the same o-ring pack ? Or what other tractors used the same (eg: 1020 or 2020 etc). There seems to be very little info on the internet , what with these being somewhat rare
The 2020 right up to some 50 series use the same eg: 2650 if they are power steering not hydrostatic steering. the genuine numbers are AT315816, AT26188
I recently removed the steering column from my John Deere 2130. I didn't strip it as it was working fine previously but when I refitted it I could not get any hydraulic function, neither power steering or the front loader.
If I blank off the hydraulic feed to the steering then the loader works perfectly, but when I reconnect it nothing works.
The column has now been stripped but no faults found and it has been rebuilt with new seals. It has also been inspected by a local JD dealer who says it looks fine.
Any ideas what might be wrong?
G Day Steve, Being a closed center system that is telling us it is in your column. Are you sure the 6 o rings are in the correct grooves and there in not a ball missing in one of the two valves which would dump all oil to sump. I have also seen the piston come undone and cause a similar problem. Just a few things to look at, hard to say from here.
@@BundyBearsShed thanks for the swift reply. I guess I will have to check it all again. 😞
I wanna first of all say thanks for these videos, I was able to pull apart my Column and start rebuilding it.. only issue I have is my tractor is the 401c variant and the "steering piston" is different.. so my kit didn't come with a "Piston Ring" and I can't find the part anywhere.. the part # is T34246 and it says it is no longer available :( . The Oring my kit came with is too large to fit in the recess of that piston and the design is slightly different so I don't know if I can just order a piston from say a jd2020 and use the oring my kit came with.. I feel I may have to just order a re-manufactured column.
The column was in need of the new orings.. the previous ones were all dry rot and was missing a few of them :(
Take your old piston into a hydraulic shop like ENZED or similar and they will be able to go on size likely. Ask for 90Duro as they are a harder seal.
@@BundyBearsShed Thanks for advice.. I was actually looking up what shops I can visit this week and take my piston and the broken seal over and see if they can help. 👍
That is one of those projects a guy fears. Start out thinking oh it can't be that bad. Probalby a few seals in there. I'll just tear it down have a look and go from there. Then you start fiddling with the valves and discover the shims... then you see the ball valves. Then you see there is a difference between the valves except you already have them off, and be damned if you can remember their orientation. Self inflicted oh shit moment.
Yeah I know what you are saying, I have jumped in at times and thought why did I take this on .
I enjoy your videos
They will help me A Lot in future
Question: how do you adjust steering wheel shaft preload?
I have John Deere 1520 circa 1973
With power steering
When I bought tractor a few years ago
Previous owner stated the power steering column unit was replaced.
It has always had excessive play
Real annoying when doing field work.
Thank you
Stay healthy
God bless you
Sincerely
John Sushchyk
Im not sure is it manual steer?
Lance my 2640 last summer started leaking at the steering wheel after a while it quit never leaked anymore since can you tell me why it quit leaking.
G Day Joe, No I cant really, I can only guess there was something in or under the seal that worked its way out again, they stop leaking if they run out of oil too Joe lol
Im having an issue with a late late 60’s or early 70’s 2520 farm tractor that only will turn left. Turns very hard right. Pump builds 2100 psi
Possibly the piston has come off inside. worth a look.
G'day Lanse or Lanz? very interesting there was more in that steering shaft that I thought great video I reckon your a natural to filming and talking to a camera good one cheers John
G Day John, That reminds me I should put that steering back together. I have been busy playing with my ute but I will get there. Glad you like the videos. Lance
How do you take the piston apart. Mine looks identical as the one in the video exept that mine doesn't have the two holes were you said the special tool goes in. I already try to take it apart for a few hour already and no luck. Please help thanks.
I have never seen ine like that, do you think it might have been made at some time? Heat will help.
@@BundyBearsShed after hours of research I finally got it, mine doesn't screw in it is pressed in there, so I used a press machine and came out very easy. Thanks for your response and your videos they had helped me a lot.
Good video.
Thanks Edwin.
I got the nuts at the top removed on my 1640, now is it just start to unwind or does the wheels need to be free?
The column should wind out now.
@@BundyBearsShed taken out the whole assembly, off with the top nut and bottom end is off, tried hitting it from undearneath but doesnt seem to budge, is there by chance a small nut inside on the top with two notches like the top nut that holds it in? because it seems like it
Ive figured it out! if anyone is fortunate like me and have a cab, type MC1 its called here in europe, there is a piece thats used to splice the colum further up i would presume, remove the top bolt as per usual and then use a pipewrench on the top half to get it loose from the rest of the piece, then proceed as Bundy with beating the axle out. Took me some time to figure out with lots of help
where is the assy pictures of the steering valve and adjustment of 2030 john deere tractor . thanks
In the pipeline, I have the parts but seem to get other things in front of it, I hoped to have it done by now but I just seem to get busier and busier.
Hello my tractor with engine off--has a lot of steering wheel free-play lick 6 inches before the front wheel want to move is this normal--for its been 4-5 year since I last use this tractor?
Check the bolt holding the pitman arm on at the steering box and check the pivot under the radiator.
Yo quiero que me expliques cómo se repara la dirección de un 46 50
Hola hay forma de traducir al castellano todo?, esto es informacion importante
I think you can adjust the captions at your end.
What are the size of the 6 o rings that rest inside the column
I dont know I usually take them from the kit and go to town with them.
Bundy Bears Shed as I pulled my valve body apart I. Found out my valve seat was broken and everyone is telling me they can’t get it. Any idea where to buy from I really hate to pay another 800 for an entire body.
@@lordmathius5502 send a pic to bundybearsshed@gmail.com I think they are available
Bundy Bears Shed will do thank you sir
I replaced the rings but they keep braking what could it be?
often some old o ring in the grooves that has been missed or a sharp edge.
Hello I have a big problem with an john deere 1640 4×4,can you help me please?
What sort of problem?
@@BundyBearsShed hello, the problem is that the steering wheel is extremely difficult, i.e. i can't turn left and right when the engine is on, nor when it is off, a day ago the steering wheel was working perfectly but suddenly this problem appeared
@@BundyBearsShed can you help me please?
Another Fantastic video ! have you ever done one (or can you please ;P) on a reseal of a rotary actuator for a MF 50b back hoe ? or do you know how bad a job it is ? anyway thanks for the great videos !
lordbradley109 I'm not sure I have ever done one.
Ouch!
Dirección mecánica del 2030
I dont have one to work on.
Cómo serrepara diresion de trastor 4650
I dont have a video on that at this time.
Spoiling me now Lance 😀👍
thats it until next week though so go steady lol
Just watch them again 😆
Thats the go lol
Hi bundy great vids ..hav seen them all ,, i got a fucking terrible manual steering on my 6807 DEUTZ and want a conversion with hydraulic assist from the lifter pump and i dont know how plz if you get some would spread it bundy 👍👍👍👍👍greatings from algeria
Como kito el juego k tiene la boteya
This does not seem to translate for me.
Lo quiero la información en español
Im not sure how to do that.