Buffy the Vampire Slayer REACTION I 3x15 Consequences
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Sorry this one was late! I had a family get together yesterday! Also this episode took so long to edit because I couldn't decide what to cut and what to keep. I really enjoyed it and had a lot to say as I was watching lol I knew that my opinion on Faith would probably differ from most of yours so I did keep my mind open and gave her a chance (a few times lol). What did you guys think of this episode? I'm really curious!
"This is not the kinky stuff, this is the murder stuff!" 😂😂
honestly sounds like a buffy line XD
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Put her in the writer’s room!
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Wesley and Willow got together in real life and now they have 2 kids and they've been married for 18 years.
True, but Alyson and Alexis are not that much like Willow and Wesley.
In terms of Faith's backstory, they don't go into detail, but there are bits and pieces that don't paint a pretty picture. I think she casually dropped a line like, "My dead mother hits harder than you!" in one of her first episodes, which... yikes. Also, she apparently watched her original watcher die horribly, and was traumatized from that. Oh, and she makes it clear at various times (like at the end of the fake watcher episode) that life has taught her she can't trust anyone. A happy childhood tends not to produce that kind of outlook.
That said, as you mentioned, a sad backstory doesn't just make everything Faith does okay. It helps us to understand it, but it doesn't mean we should just shrug and move on. I think most people who say they "like" Faith mean that they find her compelling as a character, and like watching her on screen. She also has some good moments, where she saves the day, and so people root for her to be good. She's certainly complex and interesting. I don't think anyone's expecting you to think her behavior here is okay, or wish you had a friend like Faith in your life, or anything like that.
I am one of those people who "like" Faith- in that she's a complex and interesting character, and you never know what she's going to do next. I like a lot of "villain" characters because they're often more interesting and multidimensional than the "heroes". I think we can try to understand some of her actions through the lens of what she's been through- but like you said, that doesn't make everything okay. Xander is a great example of someone with a terrible childhood/family life- maybe in some ways even worse than Faith. He has parents who are still living but seem to want nothing to do with him. He chooses to sleep outside rather than interact with them during the holidays. He doesn't even have one dead parent to go on a pedestal- just two shitty ones who either can't or don't care for their child. Yet he's still fundamentally (crappy 17-year-old-boy things he does aside) a good person. He wouldn't do a lot of the hurtful things Faith does. He makes choices that put him in the "good" side of the equation.
Faith puts on this mask of being capable and independent, not needing help or authority. But it's clear that she really does need someone, and attaches herself to people who make an effort to be involved in her life. Unfortunately, those people are usually trying to use or manipulate her, like Gwendolyn Post. If Giles or any of the Scoobies had gone to more effort to be there for her, give her a place to live and some kind of structure, she could have had a much different storyline.
"She's taken a life. She has a taste for it now." That is Angel projecting a little.
I think your feelings towards Faith are completely justified.
Seriously, don’t feel obligated to like Faith or ANY other character on this show. I think Faith is an interesting character so I appreciate her addition to the show, but if she irritates you, she does. We like the character we like.
there are plenty of character to love, and plenty to love to hate, on this show. Plus the mayor, who I absolutely love, but hate that I love since he's a bad guy.
You might need a dog sitter for some of these episodes coming up. Lol
Don't worry about ranting, be yourself, that's why we're here. I agree with you on Faith, she's badass and reckless but that isn't to be admired. She thinks nothing of breaking the law. As I always say she's the ID slayer, Buffy is the EGO and Kendra was the SUPER EGO. Faith is going on survival instinct, she knows the Mayor has power so she's joining his side whereas Angel knocked her out and chained her up and the Watchers Council was going to lock her up.
Up next is my favorite episode of the entire series, I really look forward to your reaction on that one. Probably the funniest episode of all time. See you next week. And don't feel you have to post the entire episode for free just because another reactor did that (hint hint).
Faith had a redemparc tho
She didn’t have the upbringing and friends/family Buffy had so I under Faith’s unfortunate personality
However, Faith is GREAR on Season 7
Nit sure what you mean about Kendra being an ego..
I love Faith, but that is because she is such a great villain and Eliza Dushku plays the character brilliantly. It's like liking Spike, he was also a great villain in S2.
Lol, I love how by the time you got to the end of your recap of last episode, you were like full on yelling again. Was great
I know people will be disappointed if you do not react a certain way, but in my humble opinion, you will make a better reaction if you are just honest with how you feel in reaction to the show. You cannot always please everyone, even if it feels like people will criticize you for 'doing it wrong'.
I totally agree with you about Faith.
When you consider Faith's POV on the Scooby Gang, it makes sense she would choose The Mayor over them:
Giles, nor Wesley, ever even bother trying to find Faith a decent place to live. Buffy and Xander also knew where she lived.
Joyce invites Faith for dinner in _Faith, Hope and Trick_ only to see if she can take over for Buffy.
Also in _Faith, Hope and Trick,_ Xander and Willow only pretend to be friends with Faith because their friendship with Buffy is still rocky at that point. It is why they only treat Faith professionally in _Beauty and the Beasts_ (and onward) despite Faith continually trying for friendship.
In _Homecoming,_ Xander and Willow ignore Faith during the dance (and by doing so, show her that they aren't her friends anymore) by making sure to put Cordelia in the car Faith was supposed to be in to ignore their own guilt and thus leaving Faith alone and friendless at a school dance of a school she doesn't even go to. Faith even tries to talk to Xander and Willow and both their guilt and them no longer being friends with her make Faith realize they aren't her friends as she had hoped.
Faith being upset about losing Xander and Willow as friends is why she is away from the group during _Band Candy._
In _Revelations,_ Xander attempted to use Faith as an assassin to kill Angel. Whether it was Faith's idea or not means little in terms of Xander not correcting her misconception as he asked, "Can I come?" (only after Giles is knocked out does he acknowledge it [Willow and Buffy also chastise him for it]. He should have tried to correct Faith's misconceptions when he had the chance as it is too late once Giles is unconscious and Faith sees an unconscious Giles as confirmation of what she needs to do). Buffy is forced to step in the middle of Faith and Angel. Gwendolyn Post only stirred an already brewing pot of trouble. She didn't cause it. But her betrayal also made things worse.
After that, Faith's distrust in the Scoobies as a whole is why she is absent for the episodes _Lovers Walk_ and _The Wish._
In _Amends,_ Faith attempts to give Buffy another chance. Faith views Buffy as blowing said chance when Buffy has Faith abandon a Christmas Faith had been invited to and babysit Joyce so Buffy could help Angel. Telling Joyce to not cross the threshold of the front door and inviting Faith along could have gone a long way. Buffy didn't even explain her reasoning to Faith though. The hurt Faith feels over that is why she is absent in _Gingerbread_ and _Helpless._
In _The Zeppo,_ Faith's revenge against Xander for using her as an assassin is kicking him out after getting her itch scratched.
And the friendship in _Bad Girls_ is Faith's revenge against Buffy for her real and perceived slights up to said episode. She pretends to be Buffy's friend. Xander and Willow most likely giving her the idea. But then Faith ends up needing real friendship, help, and support in this episode and the Scooby Gang cannot help because as shown they aren't capable as they haven't been close enough to Faith.
In my _Bad Girls_ comment I mentioned Faith being in denial. That, minus the friendship Faith was obviously seeking from the group not being returned, combined with some obvious trauma before Sunnydale, leads down the path of going to The Mayor. Is it a good decision? No. Will Faith be responsible for whatever happens while she's with The Mayor? Yes. But Faith still feels The Mayor is her best option after everything that's happened.
The only real problem with this wonderful episode is that because it shows the Scooby Gang's side, audiences have to consider Faith's motivations. And this has been my theory for a while.
I don't think Faith was pretending to be friends in Bad Girls and trying to screw Buffy over. I think that she was intentionally exaggerating her personality, doing more dangerous and extreme things because that's what Buffy has responded to. Usually Faith gets left behind, but here she increased the danger and is starting to become a caricature of herself and suddenly Buffy is paying attention and actually going out with Faith alone and for once choosing to hang out with Faith over her friends.
It's like Faith has figured out that if she puts on a show, Buffy is interested, so she's doing her best to entertain her to build a stronger connection with Buffy. It probably felt amazing to have Buffy actually want to hang out and connect and not to be just some extra Buffy brings along to patrol.
It isn't sustainable of course, but if they had a few fun days like that and nothing really bad happens, I can see them slowing down again and being closer friends for it. They just get unlucky in that alley and at that point she's already pretending so much that she just keeps on pretending.
Very interesting list, though much of it is not on-screen in the show and thus not actually canon. But the general idea that Faith was trying to make friends with the Scoobies and they weren't really willing to accept her into their close-knit circle is certainly true.
@@roerd Its head canon based on what we see in the show. Kind of like the fans saying Faith crushed on Buffy. She could have been teasing her. There's no definitive proof. Eliza Dushku playing it that way means people can head canon it that way, but it still isn't definitive. But this above head canon theory of mine is all based on, as you said, Faith trying to make friends with the Scoobies them not willing to accept her into their close-knit circle
@@MarkusR144 I have no doubt Faith "intentionally exaggerat[es] her personality, doing more dangerous and extreme things because that's what Buffy has responded to." My difficulty is that I see the end of _Revelations_ as Faith being done with the group and Buffy only getting a second chance at Christmas because she hasn't treated her like Xander and Willow. By the time this episode starts , Faith's exaggerated personality" is because she wants nothing to do with any of them and is only there to do her job. And then with Alan dead she probably thinks not only does she have no friends in the Scoobies, but she also cannot do slaying right.
At this point Buffy is only "paying attention" to defy Wesley. Faith probably knows that as Buffy followed her initially to get her back only have Faith easily lead her down the *bad girl* path.
But all theories are head canon. Meaning one great thing. No one is right or wrong except for what they believe as long as it doesn't mess up actual canon.
In the words of Emperor Palpatine......"I can feel your anger swelling inside"....Faith does that to people...if your dog wasn't there,it would have been a different review
What's hilarious is I came in here to make a "Give in to the Dark Side" joke. Beat me too it. Lol
Buffy is a better person than most of us. Faith said "we are better than others". Buffy (in terms of morals and compassion) actually is.
They should have Faith stay with Giles immediately after she arrived, a lot of problems could have been avoided
"Faith irritated me a little" Oh it's gonna get worse in this episode.
"I'm gonna turn it down". HA!
Don't worry, you're far from the only one in the fandom who doesn't like Faith! She's polarising for sure.
I do think she's a fantastically written and performed character, especially in these two episodes where she becomes something of an antagonist. My interpretation of her actions is that because of something in her past, she's constantly in survival mode. For her, every situation is a situation where someone might try to screw her over, desert her or hurt her. It's *wrong*, for sure, but it's interesting to watch. In her twisted mind, she has to constantly fight for the upper hand to stop that from happening and becoming the Slayer has turned her ability to do that up to 11. I think I read somewhere that her character was conceptualised as "what would happen if the Slayer role was given to someone who had no healthy coping mechanisms for dealing with it?" or something along those lines.
In a way Willow is feeling towards Faith like Buffy did when she first came along. Hadnt thought of it that way until you summarized it so well.
3:51 Wesley is 22 at this point. He's only 4-5 years older than Cordelia, Buffy et al. A lot of people find it weird that he's into Cordelia, but seriously - it is not.
Side note: That's also the real age difference between the actors - Alexis Denisof is 4.5 years older than Charisma Carpenter.
it's really wild when you think about things in that way. My high school bio teacher, who was one of the best and kindest teachers ever (he was like a big brother, not like a crush), was probably at most in his late twenties. It was incredibly jarring to run into him in my dad's coffee shop much later and get the sense that he's really basically "my" age, and have him relate to me as a contemporary. There are more years between my husband and I (13) than Mr. A and I (at most 10- and I still couldn't call him by his first name).
But...the years between high school and adulthood are packed with a lot of maturing. Even the difference between a high school freshman and a senior could be tremendous- not just years but in life experience. Once you're an adult, the years matter less.
It's fine to not like Faith.
Although yes, she had a crappy childhood, and based on stuff she mentions in passing, her mother was a piece of work, and the death of her watcher traumatised her, and she was alone from a really early age, it's absolutely not ok to do the stuff that she does. I mean, she's not EVIL, but she's incredibly messed up, and she does really bad things.
You can't use that kind of background as an excuse to be a horrible person (I say this as somebody whose background wasn't that dissimilar from Faith's, just without the slayer stuff obvs). You can only blame your crappy childhood for so long as an adult before you accept it's not about that, it's just who you are. Or you can change.
At this point, I think Faith is vile. I also think we're meant to loathe her.
When I listen to you speak, it makes me think that you would be a good writer. I think you express yourself verbally in a way that makes me feel like if you wrote, it would be in that same voice. Not the actual voice, the feel.
You know what? As a writer, I agree with you. I bet Riley could tell a story well.
"Is this going to lead to good things?". In a manner of speaking...
I've seen so many TH-camrs announce their battery on the verge of dying and I can't help but wonder why nobody records with the charger connected. They can run their camera forever, then. They might run into a file size or other type of limit but they'd never have to worry about their battery.
I am not a reactor, but I bought a newer, better camera a while back, and where my old camera worked while plugged in (indeed, that was the only way it worked), my new one does not. I've tried. Maybe the cameras they're working with don't work when plugged in?
You believe Angel could have gotten through to Faith, interesting🤔
You have hit the point on Willow, not everyone succeeds at the first view :)
"Buffy is a better person than me", well Buffy is definitely the most altruistic of the Gang members, to that goodness of mind we add that she remembers the feeling of being responsible for a murder, Ted 2x11, she knows what Faith is going through and wants to help her.
Unfortunately Buffy doesn't know enough about her friend-rival to figure out how to deal with the situation, she had to inform Giles and Angel right away because only with their help was there any hope of getting Faith to accept and deal with her actions.
Wesley in terms of the rules of the Council was not wrong, but as Giles said the case of Faith was particular and had to be handled with thoughtfulness and not so hastily without evaluating possible negative consequences,
Faith in the finale seems to have saved Buffy more than her to even the score, since she had just saved her, it will be the future to clarify if this is true and if she is really allied with the Mayor or not.
Willow saying buffy is a better person then her thats a low bar.
You forgetting how to start the video... I felt that. I have a podcast for over 1,5 years now, we always start the exact same and than differ with the Titel. I always write down my whole starting sentence or else my mind would blank out.
Faith does feel guilt for killing that guy. Its like Giles said, she is unable to accept responsibility for what she did because she doesn't have the emotional tools or support to work through it. Angel may have had a chance at getting through to her, to direct her down a different path. Wesley completely screwed up any chance of that happening. Faith is totally alienated from Buffy and the gang, she knows that she is on the outside and she resents them for her isolation. None of this excuses her actions.
Faith is an interesting character but not a likeable one IMO.
This one. Sometimes the Faith defenders are very loud from the fandom lol. I think most people actually agree with this view. People like Faith in the abstract; but if you were actually her friend... um, I have a feeling it would be different haha.
Angel was definitely the only one that could understand her and talk sense into her. Wesley was what ultimately lost her here, the last possible hope of can understanding.
You're absolutely on point with Faith and Wesley.
I don't understand why people say Faith is an interesting character. She's rebellious from the start and people give her the benefit of the doubt only because she's a slayer. To me, that just means any random person can become slayer and it's what you do with that power that counts. So, she's garbage imo.
Faith feels that Wesley and Giles, who were meant to guide and protect her, betrayed her, for what was an accident. She did wrong, but was treated as the villain. She was a scared teenage girl with only Buffy and Angel willing to help her. She had no support - moral or otherwise from the adults in her life. The watchers gave her nothing but abuse and Faith has no reason to trust them. They are just using her and she feels that no one gives a damn about her and think she is worthless. She is living in poor accommodation with no visible means of support. The only person she can trust and rely on is herself. The watchers are very definitely guilty of child abuse in both Buffy and Faith's case but Buffy has family and friends while Faith is totally alone and isolated being treated as a thing and not a person
Consequences was a brilliant but disturbing episode. Even though Xander had lost his virginity in The Zeppo, we still see his Innocence here where Faith sexually assaults him, and tries to choke him to death. The juxtaposition here is brilliant writing where Faith is the one with power, and Xander is the helpless innocent, showing that sexual assault and murder are crimes of power over the vulnerable. Brilliant writing again.
I made a comment earlier and it does not seem to have appeared. Thanks for the reaction. You see things that I missed.
I would recommend that you watch 'Chuck'. The only show that I like more than Buffy. Romantic comedy/spy thriller. Also outstanding character development of all of the characters. Yvonne Strahovsky(Serena in The Handmaid's Tale, and Zach Levy, Shazam). Its been off for several years but is available on Amazon Prime.
By now a lot of people are already usually on the against faith train, but her comment about angel was so spot on and it’s rather hypocritical of Buffy. She would have kept that a secret for who knows how long if it weren’t found out. Her innate soft spot for angel lets that happen.
I am going to leave this story here. Because I cannot vouch for how true it is, just that someone who says they were told me in a bar, so take it for what you will.
The guy playing Mr. Trick was also in the running to play the character of Spike and his ending was originally Spike's ending in Season 2, were Spike was supposed to end up being killed by Willow saving Buffy, not Faith.
That is why in episode 8 of this season, Spike was drawn to Willow, because in the original rough draft of Spike's death, Dru would have witnessed it and supposedly she was to make a brief appearance in episode 8, where she talked about a dream, she had about her watching it happen.
It rang true and the person was very convincing in their tale, so I believe it or maybe? I just really like believing it.
screw the people who dont like your opinion .... im totally against faith, my wife is totally for faith ... you got your opinion ... stand on it and let the others think about that what they wont ... they dont matter .... only you stayin true on your opinion matters
Poor Xander
No. Wesley desteoyed the progress Angel was making with her, and ruined any ability she had left to trust people. Wesley kidnapping her, locking her in chains and taking her to England was the turning point, the proverbial straw that broke the camals back.
So funny, literally 3 hours ago I was looking if Riley did put out a new video.
You can be mad at Faith, I'm mad at Wesley!
I think she feels alone and cornered, so she is acting up to not accept the guilt, to not really have to deal with it. We see some small moments of guilt and then she shoves it off. But yeah, what she is doing is unexcusable, I do feel sorry for her, but she assaulted Xander, that was the final crossing the lane really
It's maybe not obvious for some people how much all Faith problematic behavior and acting out (including her reaction to the murder accident) is a typical defence mechanisms of an abused child. Even without taking into concidiration her depressing present life and nigtmare inducing death of her first watcher, her past is absolute horror. Pleanty of phisical and psicological abuse. If you listen closely, you may hear some of it, like "my dead mother hits harder than that" and the fact, that she lives alone for god knows how long in such a young age. (there is also an uncomfortable implication about her possible sexual abuse, giving unnaturally aggressive sexual behavior (at that age) and inappropriate comments towards Giles and mr. Spoiler (by the way, mr. Spoiler quickly shuts it down, unlike Giles, who basically didn't react at all. Weird. ) suggest some type of sexual trauma in her past. Most likely inflicted by a grown man.) So, yeah, maybe because of my own past, but i quickly cracked her "bad girl" façade and felt really related. And to me, her every bad decision, every mean word was and still is not irritating but heartbreaking. You can like who you like, but don't call a villain a neglected and traumatized girl who just stuck in circle of violence.
Sorry about horrendous grammar, i really struggle with english.
Agreed. While not an excuse that justifies her behavior, a past history of abuse definitely explains it, and the Watcher's Council has clearly screwed up here - if the Slayer is a tool of the Council, well, they should take a LOT better care of their tools.
I understand why Faith's character arc was written as it was, for the drama, but I wish that Giles and the Scoobies had made Faith feel more like part of the family, and gotten her some help.
Eliza Dushku's acting is, in my opinion, phenomenal as Faith.
Honestly don't worry about the Faith thing. She's one of my favourite characters, but honestly she was such an evil bitch here. I didn't even like her here either, but the point is I liked her in the end. There's more to learn about this character and your feelings/views on her may develop as the series goes on.
"Liking" a character in a show can mean you think they're a good person, that you admire them, or that you might enjoy spending time with them. Because that's what it means to like someone in real life.
But it can also mean that you think a character is well-written, has comprehensible motives or rationales for what they do, or has a compelling story arc that makes you care what happens to them, whether the character is a hero, villain, or sidekick.
At this point in the story, few people like Faith in the first way. She's dangerous, unstable, a bad friend, and she's getting into bed with the mayor, or adopting him as a father. But here's where the second form of liking Faith comes into play. She's taken a small step, then suddenly switched sides. What game is she playing? Where will she end up? Is she real to us, or just a character in a show? And it that way - I hope you'll agree that Faith, the Vampire Slayer turncoat, is worth appreciating.
Regarding the Willow crying thing, for me it seemed like she was hurt because she did really care for him and he was not interested, so to see him show interest in women she sees as more "flawed" than she is, is hurtful, personal. She said it with Cordy, they both were part of the we hate Cordy club, and then Xander is willing and interested in her??? Faith has her own issues, but is certainly not wholesome, which I think WIllow sees and just can't help but feel hurt that he would want Faith and not her, not from a jealousy place but like insulted with a strong side of less than.
Or that she thinks of Xander as her possession that is trying to get away from her.
Based on your description of where you are at, I'll just comment that I am REALLY looking forward to your reaction to S3/E16! But I shan't post a spoiler in case some of viewers are watching the series along with your TH-cam channel.
Who is pressuring Riley to like Faith? It's fine to not like Faith. I enjoy having her on the show and I understand some of her feelings and motivations, but I don't like much of anything she's doing.
Yeah, those are basically my feelings regarding Faith as well. I like the character & think she’s a great addition to the cast & overall story, but I don’t see any reason to feel the need to like her, nor do I think a rough upbringing excuses her actions. I can understand her motivations & even sympathize with them a bit, but the things she does are wrong, even despicable at times & she should pay for them. I don’t think she should be punished for killing the mayor’s assistant, however. That was a wartime accident as far as I’m concerned. It’s clear she didn’t mean to kill him. It’s also clear that’s she was quite distressed by what she’d done. It’s unfortunate that Angel didn’t have more time to talk to her (Thanks, Wesley!).
I think you can say it and they won't do anything, but you are definitely right about the Xander/Faith thing if you were going use the R word. It was definitely attempted R in some fashion. Ugh, terrible!
I'm waiting for the battle generation in the comments with people saying that buffy was quite better than twilight (and it really was)
When you say Buffy continues to "help and support" Faith can you give an example? None of the scoobies have helped or supported Faith at any point of the show. She's been on her own from the jump. She's a teenager living on her own with no financial support living in a shady motel and none of them care at all.
Oh god yes.
Mad at the show 😂
Great reaction
You know that anger you feel? THAT is why we love Faith.
Don't listen to those bullying you to like Faith. If to you the character's actions are irredeemable and her personality unattractive, so do others and that is okay. Some people confuse bad characters who make bad choices justified if the show gives a realistic back story for why they made their decisions. Good shows can make evil characters relatable, but some take the interpretation too far and justify all their doings.
Thank you Jesus, angel
I hate faith too
Yeah faith threatened ri rape and tried to strangle zander, that was obvious. And second, I don't know if there ever was a reason to trust faith, but there certainly isn't now. And it just occurred to me that I probably just agreed with you, but you can consider it reinforcement.
"i don't take betrayal well."
you're a katara then?
i think you're totally fair, but then i didn't have any complaints last episode either.
Don't feel you have to have the same opinion and favs as others. Please form your own views on the show and characters. I'm not a Faith fan myself.
15:45 I don't think Faith would have killed Xander, she was just making a point about how she had no emotional attachment to him.
Rant about whomever and whatever you feel for however long you want. We're here to watch your honest reactions, not what some viewers feel your reactions _should_ be. Faith has clearly had a much harder life than Buffy and that makes many of her actions and attitudes understandable. But understanding _why_ someone does something bad still doesn't make it OK that they did it.
Basically, at this point it's totally fine to not like Faith and though the interpretation of fiction is obviously subjective, I genuinely struggle to understand why anyone would say otherwise.
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Who was telling you to like Faith?
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Faith is a great character and a great addition to the story to make it interesting but if she was a real person then I don't think anyone would actually like her lol
I don't like Faith either.
Faith may grow on you in the next seasons. Her guilt will come out eventually.