Niether Ford nor Nissan has to worry about my business. I bought a new base model 2013 Nissan in 2014 and 250,000 miles later I still like it and have no plans to replace it.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 Yep, and that's what I mean. Just about the time automakers work out all the bugs and get a good reliable drivetrain, they change it. Then start all over again.
@beexiong2995 I never said turbos are new tech. Also, maybe you should talk to basically any mechanic because it's common knowledge that a naturally aspirated engine will last longer than a turbo engine if both are maintained correctly.
@@theaveragewoodsman6002 it depends on who built the engine and transmission. Look at all the bad cvts from nissan. All the engine fires in hyundai. Lets not even get started on GM & Ford
@beexiong2995 I'm referring to a well-built, well maintained comparison. If all things are equal, the increased stress and complexity of a turbo engine shortens its lifespan. It's just a fact, like it or not.
@@theaveragewoodsman6002 well unfortunately no manufacturer makes the same quality products. Based on consumer reports thats all you can rely on. A turbo ford is not the same as a turbo toyota. A nissan V6 is not the same as a jeep V6
I know a lot of people like the large screens in cars, but I am not a fan. I upgraded my base 4" radio to an 8" factory radio on my 2018 F-150, and that is perfect for me. I enjoy the tactile buttons.
Exactly and it's easier to mess with without really having to look away. I'm a big fan of steering wheel controls for the same reason. Honestly it's just safer.
Agree with these comments, I bought a 23 Silverado in custom trim with the small screen. I test drove the higher trims with bigger screens and found it too distracting when driving.
100% AGREE! These bigger screens are a joke and unless. There’s no need for such a gigantic screen. I love my 8” screen in my 2019 Ranger, it does just enough and has the right amount of options. Ford needs to learn the “KISS” way - Keep It Simple Stupid.
I don't think that's too small, just whatever screen they use on the Nissan looks cheap, reminds me of a best buy branded tablet haha, but that size screen is better than the massive Ranger one IMO
@@MichaelLemosKilluminati5176_ Oh I know, I'm just sick of car reviewers demanding home theater screens in cars then don't get it when we complain about high prices and the screens looking like shit. I'm in my lower 30's and I think the screens are stupid.
@@gerry5786 Let me introduce you to Mitsubishi... FTR, Nissan/Infinity RWD/NA vehicles are good stuff. Fronty, G370, Z-car,. Avoid anything with a CVT.
See an this is the problem would you trade an e motor at low speeds or a turbo at all speeds im torn na is fine it has its place but induction is slow to the go like a scared cat I want instant torque til about 60mph then allow the motor to take over upto 150 that's all and it wouldn't have to be 0-60 in 1.9 but a solid 3 would be perfect
Love my 2022 SV Frontier (fully loaded). The original owner bought it for $45k, I bought it second hand with only 13k miles for $32k. After 4 months of ownership, I'm VERY happy with my purchase.
let the suckers buy it new and pay the premium destination fee+ taxes+ fees. I'll stick to buying discounted for thousands on a good used deal when it comes around.
@@302Mustang13i agree and disagree, turbos are definitely better for torque but heavier on the maintenance compared to the Nissan v6 basically been making the same v6 for 20 years with plenty of examples over 400k all the way up to 900k with basic maintenance. With that being said I think the frontier is the better “Truck” more reliable and better bang for your buck. Both nice trucks regardless
@@vfate9786 Don't forget Ford has had this 2.3 Ecoboost in the Mustang since late 2014 and there are high mileage examples out there too. Ranger is nearing 5 years with a slightly different version and doing well. It's just routine fluids and not much else.
Liking The Nissan & The Red To@ Base mdL. Be Fine 4 me, if Ya Need More/ReaL Truck@ Works etc... & Bigger Truck WouLd Be Wise. FOr; 6-k. Towing Truck Turbos Arn't Neccasary.
Adre, I towed my son’s BMW on a car trailer with my Frontier (about 5,000lbs total) and the engine purred at about 2K rpm virtually the whole way. Never seemed stressed at all. Love the truck!
@@BC08 it's actually accurate. I have a '22 Frontier and tow a 17' travel trailer with mine (just over 4,100 pounds loaded). For about 80% of my drive from Cincinnati to Myrtle Beach, the truck doesn't get above 2,100-2,200 rpm. The mountains caused the truck to periodically downshift a couple of gears, but the engine NEVER once got above 3,200 rpm. I am not a Nissan fanboy by any means- I bought the truck because I got a deal I couldn't pass up in today's market.
agreed, I love the Hardbody wheels and exterior treatment overall because it reminds me of my childhood (my family owned a 97), but man nostalgia is expensive.
Interesting that the Nissan seems to have a slightly more comfortable back seat area than the Ranger. It's minor but noticeable in the video. I'd like to see the same demonstration with the Colorado. I'd also like to see a LxWxH comparison of the beds on these mid-sized trucks.
I don't realistically do heavy off roading. We have toys/alternate vehicles for that. That being said, I am very satisfied with my '22 Frontier SV. It's towed 5,000lbs + back and forth from PA-FL without a problem. Plenty of power. Transmission does a decent job engine breaking and is definitely noticeable for what it is. It's definitely not a big human back seat, but it totally works in a pinch. The steering wheel not telescope, but it's actually in my seating position so it's not a problem. I can confirm with you saying that I do not like how a forced induction engine drives. We do a TON of lighter weight towing with our off road toys, etc... and I know the turbo motor have power, mpg, etc, etc, etc... I will avoid it at all costs cus I genuinely dislike how they tow. In a little family car, fine. I just use my truck for truck-esque stuff too much and absolutely cannot stand the turbo engine. The linear speed, predictable power, and simplicity of a naturally aspirated engine will be my truck choice until it's no longer an option.
I am 100% Ford, I own three vehicles and all three are Ford's. But with that said I'd take the Nissan over that Ranger. The Nissan has everything a person needs without over complicating it. Not to mention the N/A V6. Andre said they've tested the small displacement with turbo engines before, one year & 10,000 miles is not testing. My 2008 F-150 has the 4.2 N/A V6 with a little over 200,000 miles on it. And that's 200,000 miles of hauling & towing on it with no issues at all. No it's not the fastest, no it can't jump a dirt hill, but it's ready to go to work.
"If we have to have environmental regulations, we need one that requires manufacturers to warranty their cars through 100,000 miles. If your car doesn't average 200,000k miles you suck as a manufacturer." - Not entirely a throw-away-thought?
I gotta say I know it's not apples to apples comparison but the 2012 Ford f350 with a 6.2 gas engine will not die. But the Diesels had to have work done well before the Ford even needed transmission work. Pulling the same heavy trailers. The motor has 328k and had one coil pack replaced and an exhaust manifold bolt replaced. Never leaked fluids and is still going. Ridiculously durable.
The Ford 4.2 V6 was one of the worst truck engines they ever had. Lacks torque and sucks fuel. My dad had one in reg cab 4x4 and the 5.4 Triton F-150 Supercab 4x4 he bought next got better mpgs. Now he has a 2.3 Ranger that is getting much better mpgs. Best combo of power and fuel economy.
@@302Mustang13 I will say that I was expecting better mileage out of my 4.2 but I drive it every day & 90% of the time it has tools, & material's in it, & a lot of the time it's pulling a small trailer 5X10 loaded with materials. And it averages 18 mpg, my brother's F150 Platinum with the Coyote does better, so yes I was a little disappointed in that. But with 200,000 miles on it and I've never touched it other than maintenance "oil changes" & it has always performed with anything I hook to it I'm happy with it. I bought a Ford Escape & trailer it home with absolutely no problem. These small overpressure turbo engines they're pumping out today has plenty of power but I don't believe they will ever last like any N/A engine will
@@scottyellis3442 We were too and I told him the 4.6 V8 (there was no 5.4 at the time he ordered his 4.2 F-150) would do better and get better mpgs. I also have an Escape but with the 2.0 turbo and 8 speed. It pulls like mad with a heavy trailer and keep the oil changed as appropriate and I'm sure it will last. My last oil analysis was flawless with 8,000 mile changes on AMSOIL.
I'd go with the Nissan because I HATE when manufacturers use massive touch screens. Buttons and knobs are much more intuitive for controls. I like the 8" screen for CarPlay in my F-150, but any larger than that is totally unnecessary and it eats in to the space where they should be putting buttons instead.
Love my Datsun by Nissan. With the exception of tires, few batteries, the seat covering, and one intake coolant hose, all original and Still runs perfectly on the original plugs! -1979 620 5 speed getting 32mpg for all of my life. This new Nissian will hold up to its name, would be nice to see tailgate chains/latches for long-term reliability.
@nickdeagle3271 Has minimal rust thanks to its salt free life here in the Colorado rockies. Runs the same gauntlet tfc tow tests new trucks on. It's about time to get it out of the storage container for the year.
I owned a rust free (CA truck) 1984 Nissan 720 4x4 with a 5 spd. Mine did great up until 284K miles when I rebuilt the synchros on the gearbox and the engine. Not too shabby considering the Z24 engine was notorious for heads cracking.
My very first car, at age 18, was a new 1975 Datsun truck, 4 speed manual trans, $3700 total price, including all taxes and license. I still have the original loan paperwork, at 10% interest, The truck was very durable, and reliable. I modified it putting on headers, 2 1/4" exhaust (for a nice throaty sound), Offenhauser intake manifold, and Mallory Unilite electronic ignition system. I was a part of the new mini truck craze, that started in the mid 70's in southern California. Glad that you still have yours, and that it's held up so long for you!
Great review!.........But, I would love to see how the headlights are at night! I do a lot of night driving and would love to see head to head comparisons!!!
I miss my Frontier Terribly. I bought the 2020 old body style with new engine. It consistently got my 20-21 mpgs. Unfortunately I had to part ways because my family was growing and got an F150.
An f150 gets better mpg than a frontier, it’s depends on what engine you choose. The supercrew f150 has a huge rear seating area, at 6’3 I still have room of 4-6” between the knee and seatback
I'm hoping that one day you guys will actually make a good comparison when it comes to the Frontier, you ALWAYS compare it to the wrong trim. The comparisons you should be doing are as follows: Frontier Pro4x vs Ford Ranger FX4 Frontier Pro4x vs Tacoma TRD Offroad (3rd gen) Frontier Pro4x vs Chevy Colorado Trail Boss and Z71 Frontier Pro4x vs GMC Canyon Elevation and AT4 I did all of these comparisons recently when truck shopping and quickly realized that the Pro4x is by far the best value for the money. Sure it has it's drawbacks but it's value is undeniable in the segment, last of a dying breed.
When it comes to trucks and cars I want normal sized screens none of this 10 inch or larger screens. Sure it's easier to use and see. But night driving it's distracting. My idea may not carry any support but I'd be okay with the screen being big when parked or backing up. But when driving it gets smaller to reduce to overall lighting. Even in dark mode it blinds me when someone calls. And only reason for it to be full sized backing up for the camera if it's available.
My first vehicle was a 1994 Ford Ranger XLT Supercab 4.0L V6 with manual transmission. I paid $15,500 for it out the door and I got rid of it in 2008 with 200,000 miles. Now I wish I would have held on to it. LOL
It wasn’t my first vehicle but in 1990 I bought a new XLT Supercab 4x4 Ranger with automatic for 18k out the door. Sold it to a friend 2002 with 298k miles…replaced one water pump, brakes and spark plugs only. I believe he had over 400k when he sold it with same motor and transmission.
I had a 2001 Ford Ranger XLT with an extended cab (suicide doors) with an auto trans. I got rid of mine in 2001 with 210,000 miles and all I did was replace the water pump on the truck $350. The rest was regular maintainence. 4 sets of tires and front brakes 4 or 5 times. I never had to replace the rear brakes. Loved the truck.
@@paulchapman1933 They are solid little trucks, and I miss the one I used to drive. I am not no sure all of the new complicated GDI turbo engines (from any manufacturer) are going to be as reliable.
Best Frontier is the S. If you're in the same config (quad cab, 4x4) you get 1,290 lbs of payload for 36k. 1,290 is not amazing, but is far better than what's provided here.
My local Nissan lot has some crazy incentives on these frontiers, so even though they are priced the same, the frontier will come out about $5-7K lower than the Ranger after all said and done. I made a video on it
@@Dusdaddy of course they are going to make it about price. The ranger FX4 is inferior to the PRO-4x from an offroad standpoint. Their job is to help Ford sell trucks.
The Ford for leasing to a young person that only needs a truck for a fashion statement. The Nissan for purchasing to a grownup that has property and will drive it 20 plus years till the wheels fall off. That’s why I have the Frontier.
After driving my f150 ecoboost 300k miles tried a nissan titan with a v8. I just couldn't pull the trigger because it seemed like it was lacking power. The ecoboost has been solid. Sure it might coast $1500 more in maintenance over 10 years but it is worth it. I probably saved 20k in fuel.
Wholly F! Take my money!!!! That Nissan Frontier Hardbody!!!! Had a 1986.5 Hardbody SEV6 5 speed 4x4 back in the day. It was the same color, same wheels.(different tires) It was NOT a 4door obviously. But what a truck! I miss it to this very day. I had a 1995 Pathfinder SEV6 4x4. Same colors, same wheels. Was fantastic as well! This NEW truck/trim is a must have for Nissan enthusiasts. Hell, I don't even need a truck anymore and want to go out and buy it and I am only 53 seconds into this video!
One thing you may want to include in your midsize truck reviews is whether or not you can flat tow its very important for rv'ers who like to flat tow behind there rv. I believe chevy,gmc,ford can be flat towed, and Nissan,toyota can not unless its a manual 4x4.
Truck trials sounds awesome. Your videos a couple years back was a big source of information when I researching mid-size trucks. There was a lot to go through since it was usually 2 manufacturers compared at a time.
The Ranger being able to fit 4ft between the wheel wells is great. With the tailgate down a 4X8 foot sheet of plywood only hangs about a foot and a half beyond the back of the truck.
@@tc6580 I use a 5x8 trailer attached to my little ford ecosport for that. 22mpg verses taking my F250 out at 14mpg. Trailer does atv duty and also is pulled by mower when we are picking up sticks out the yard. Very handy.
You guys should look at fit and finish between trucks. This video makes it sound like the Ford is the clear choice but they have suffered from reliability issues across several of their vehicles the last few years. I haven't sat in the newest generation Ford, but the previous gen felt terrible inside compared to this gen Frontier. All the panels flexed a lot. The panel gaps didn't line up. It was sad.
I just purchased the 2024 chevy Colorado trailboss with all the options I wanted leather interior cruise control spray in bedliner etc for over 5k less than these 2 trucks cost.
The ranger really is a beast. I had a 2020 with the 2.3L and loved it. Bought it on rebate for $30K. It Towed and Hauled effortlessly; Even in the Tennessee mountains. I put multiple performance upgrades on and it was a blast. In the end I traded it for a new Bronco bc despite all of that, the ranger was miserable on long distance trips. If and when I buy another truck; for $46K, I’d just spend the extra money and get a heavy duty. Midsize trucks are nice in principle but I don’t see the market for them when they cost this much.
Good comparison. I do love the power and torque being available at a calmer 2000 RPM VS taching out an NA engine. And that payload on the Nissan is a joke, they could have done better there. I would happily own either truck. I daily a 2020 Ranger though
I like the manual rear window; many trucks now have either an electric rear window, or solid glass. The excuse was the rear was too big for the driver to reach and close while driving (in case of a gas attack, I guess), but clearly that isn’t the case as the rear of the ranger is just as big as many trucks that don’t offer it.
Great video. I just got a brand new Nissan frontier SV with all the options. It's a great truck. I just ordered new black wheels that will be put on this week. Thanks for sharing your reviews.
If I am going by looks alone I would get the Nissan. The huge deal breaker for these trucks for me though is no 4WD auto. That mode is what I use the most on road when the weather is bad.
@@firstlast--- 4WD is great for off roading or the roads are a complete dump, but not great for the drivetrain on paved surfaces hence why I like 4 auto since it acts more like AWD which is better for variable conditions.
I've never owned a Ford but I would consider one. I've owned two Nissan trucks and both rusted out before 7 years of ownership here in the northeast and I take care of my vehicles. Aside from the rust, the Nissan was a good truck
Nathan being from the San Fernando Valley explains a lot! Not a bad thing though. I got my driver's license at the Glendale DMV office in April 1972, driving a Datsun PL520. My wife, who was a Valley girl from James Monroe high school, bought a 1985 Ford Ranger 4wd new. Both trucks have changed so drastically for the better. I considered a midsize truck last year. But bought a Jeep JLU to tow behind our Ram 2500 4wd 6.7L with a 4wheel popup camper. Another great review, with lots of information not typically found elsewhere.
Turbo engines are built for emissions not fuel economy. Will take a non turbo engine over a turbo all day long, more to break and more to cost you money.
@charliehargrave7458 that is wrong. A turbo can be built for fuel economy or power. So many people ignore the fact that Engines over seas have used turbos just fine for over 20 years. Change your oil properly, and most turbos don't have issues.
I can get over what the EPA states with our Ecoboost. I also often get worse when I’m driving how I like to drive. But it’s possible and similar to my 5.0 where I can either do better or worse depending on the day or trip.
It’s because years ago Ford went all-in on full size trucks and discontinued the Ranger. In the US “midsize” trucks are an afterthought and Ford chose to import.
@@gregmoessner3104Visited 3 dealerships to be told so. Lost sale because I would buy an SV but need a 6 foot bed and Kingcab to fit in my garage. I am very dissapointed in the paltry payload and wish for similar numbers to the Ranger
The reason my folks and I traditionally never went for a turbo car was actually insurance costs. Now it's hard to not have a car with turbo and insurance is insane no matter what.
I bought a 2019 gmc canyon with a 2.8 liter diesel new sticker was $45,595. I paid $37,500. for it brand new. Was thinking of selling it. I am keeping it I guess.
The problem is that even the best turbos in the world last 100k miles at most best case scenario so all having a turbo does is add a 7500 to 10 k bill every 100k miles
I had a 2019 frontier which i wound up selling for a Alot more than i bought it during the pandemic boom. It was a fantastic truck,never had a single issue with it and we did a good deal of offroading in snow and mud all sorts of terrains. But it was last gen and I'm amazed to see how little they changed with this model. 47k is absolutely too much lol
Really strange. Isn’t it? I think the reason is that the full size trucks have on average higher displacement engines and those are working less hard to get the same work done. However, they’re going to have worse NxO emission numbers than the smaller displacement turbos in the midsize trucks. Heck, the V8 in the F150 probably will have similar mpg numbers than these midsize tiny turbos.
The complaint about engine covers is so childish. Who genuinely cares how pretty an engine bay is? With how complicated these bays are getting, just leave them open without a cover so its easier to see around at a quick glance.
moreover this is an easy fix, Ford sells the cover (or at least did for the previous gen). I think it should be standard equipment because it's just a small piece of plastic that should not cost Ford more than $30 to make/source, but if it's not there it won't hurt reliability, which is much more important than aesthetics
The exhaust is an odd difference between US and world models. My exhaust outlet on the Ford is invisible because it bridges over the rear axle and down behind it and just stops, aiming down. Almost impossible to damage it offroad but prone to raise some dust on a trail. Having said that and considering mine is a diesel and the exhaust pipe is a relatively large diameter, the flow strength out of the pipe seems slow, probably helped by the diameter of the pipe but also the cats and DPF closely fitted to the turbochargers.
You seriously believe that the same car company would build an exhaust system differently for two separate markets (for the SAME vehicle model) and by doing that reduce the scale of economy and consequently increase cost without regulation just for the love of diversity or being different? 😃 I was NOT talking about emission regulation but safety requirements, crash testing etc. They are definitely different between the US and European markets and others and this is why US is missing out on probably 80% of global vehicles.
@@is6566 My dear chap, they not only have different exhaust for different engines, of which many are offered worldwide, but also different emission equipment which require yet more exhaust designs, for different markets. These Rangers are built at three factories worldwide from scratch to an essentially identical template. The fact that South African and Thai built models have been out for a year and two respectively, while US build of the current variant has only just started using US made components. In the South African plant, not only do they make the four cylinder and v6 diesels on the same line, which is unique in the industry, but they also build Ford and VW variants on the same production line, not quite at random. As for safety equipment, they build a vast number of variants and even vary active safety features according to the model. There are about five variations of headlights available in the UK alone, starting with halogen on base models and up to active matrix LED’s on top models. Similarly with rear lights where thei have basic globes, or a mix with LED, or full LED with extra sensors included for things like auto parking and trailer reversing assist.
A lot of words to in essence don’t challenge the fact that all these variants are built because of different market regulations plus of course trims, duh. 😃
Y did you get the hard body .lots of extra stuff to raise the price. The pro4x wood have been a better option. And it has the locker. If you are going to take them offroad it would be more fair.
Andre, your Tacoma is literally a base model truck that has 4x4 and that it is. The Ranger is a much better deal pricewise. From all mis-size truck, I like the Ranger Raptor the most. I am a Toyota fan, but the pricing of the new Tacoma sucks, big time.
Why is the rear of the Ranger jacked up so high? I looked at the previous version and it's actually higher than a F150. Really stupid. Makes the truck unusable.
@@jeedwards1981 Towing & payload with LESS stiff springs. That is why they need the altitude. To keep base ride height, they would need stifer springs with less travel.
The high rear end also makes the truck a lot safer. Cars and Crossovers will go under the truck and their occupants will take the brunt of the crash forces.
Hi Guys from Oz, I drive a Nissan Navara 2.3 litre diesel twin turbo with a payload of 1000kg . Most medium size trucks over here have a similar payload and can tow up to 3500kg . American medium size trucks payload is pitiful! The Ranger is similar over here in Oz And available with V6, 3 litre turbo diesel. Very good towing platform!
Great review! Im from South Africa and I bought the new Ranger in December. Its interesting the difference in powertrains we get compared to you guys I have the XL with 2.0 single turbo. Here we have the option of the 2.0 single turbo, 2.0 bi-turbo, 3.0 v6 (all diesels) or the Raptor I am very happy so far. Fuel economy is decent so far. Will see what the reliablility will be like, its not my first Ford and my previous onss did well My ranger XL has vents in the back :) but I dont have power outlets in the bin
The majority of power tools today are cordless. Anyone that works out of their truck knows how convenient it is to be able to charge batteries when there is no power or when you need to get to the next job and charge on the way. Everything is rechargeable now, I've had a inverter in my work van for the last 20 years for this reason. It's nice they're building them in now.
Is there any difference between the f350 platinum high output and f350 platinum tremor high output when towing? Which one is better overall in your opinion?
sadly it has that 9 spd trans which is what most manufacturers buy from mercedez benz. Garbage transmission that wont make it past 200k miles no matter how much you baby it. Im waiting until honda sticks in their own 10 spd built transmission as they have with the odyssey since 2019, to consider a ridgeline or frontier using nissan self built trans as with all prev generations.
Tacoma, Frontier, Ranger, Colorado/Canyon Gladiator, Ridgeline then Dakota. My ranking of mid-size trucks 🛻! In Kenya you only see Toyota Helix or Nissan Dessert Runners
Right, I'm buying a truck because they're a big seller in Kenya? Good qualifying criteria. 👍Next time I look for a vehicle I'll be sure to see what sells in Kenya.
@@Mike-te1xxDo you know why they sell well in Kenya? Probably because they don’t break… the amount of warranty stories I hear from guys with new trucks of all makes and models is pretty wild.
@@DMSparky there are several reasons, most of those countries don't have the same variety of vehicles as North America and also there's this thing about maintenance, specially when it comes to some groups of anti government people that won't do their maintenance at the local shop, but rather do it themselves or hire their own techs. That's why fleets also stick to one brand whenever possible
Will you guys be doing a direct interior comparison of all of them? I'm curious how average height dudes fit in all 4 seats and how a rearward facing car seat fits behind an average size dude
I like the Frontier, but if I saw these 2 trucks sitting side by side on a lot and they were priced the exact same, I would go with the Ranger. Rear locker, better tires, and payload win over a roll bar and nostalgic wheels for me
Real-world prices might vary for the next 12 months or so??? - It will be harder to get a Ranger without a mark-up but a Frontier may come with a discount?
My 2016 6.2l GMC 1500 4x4 gets over 20 mpg on the highway. This water in Minnesota driving in town and using auto start t warm it up never went below 15.2mpg.
I would go Frontier, I am a Toyota Fan boy and since they went Turbo I am out. I really like the Frontier. Nissan could gain a ton of market share if they just changed some of the design to what people want. Do some more blackout wheels and some crazy colors like a orange or a green like toyota has done. follow the trend. front locker would also be nice,
I can’t believe we are comparing Ford to Nissan. I would love a reason to choose the Ranger, but at this point it would take a lot to convince me to buy American.
Being 6'3" tall I'm so glad I nolonger have my midsize Colorado and have my full size Ram 1500 Crew Cab. The space is so wonderful in a full size truck. I'd be so content on never having another truck again. Unfortunately I fear the powers that be will force me one day into a battery operated truck. Hopefully that day will be many yrs away.
The 2.7 ecoboost is going to be a beast in the Ranger. I'm really looking forward to the Ranger 2.7 and Tacoma Iforce max hybrid test on the Ike Gauntlet. Also the Tacoma TRD Pro vs Ranger Raptor vs ZR2 showdown offroad.
Agreed, if my F150 Supercrew 4x4 does mid 6s with the 2.7 I can't imagine how much it would do in a Ranger. Too bad Ford detuned these engines for Ranger duty (both the 2.3 and 2.7 Eco) to avoid overlapping power with the Mustang and F150 respectively.
The hybrid powertrain will lose its juice fairly quickly in a tow test going up a mountain. Going up mountains and towing with them isn't any better than the non-hybrid. Makes the price difference kind of ridiculous.
Frontier all day for me. Naturally aspirated power for the win. I also prefer the simplicity of the interior. As much as I love the look of this Hardbody trim, I'd opt for a base "S" trim 2-door. I need the lower price and better utility. The Hardbody kit is so cool though. I love the retro 1980s wheels!
$46k for either of them is insane.
In my head I still think these trucks are still low $30s the way they sit
Paid $40k cdn for a new 2020 f150 supercab xlt sport
These being $46k usd is insane
Niether Ford nor Nissan has to worry about my business. I bought a new base model 2013 Nissan in 2014 and 250,000 miles later I still like it and have no plans to replace it.
@jfruser I agree 100%. I have no interest in buying any of these massively overnflated products.
Thats why I'm seeing a lot of Mavericks on the road.
I will always choose a naturally aspirated V6 over a turbo 4
Probably not for long....lol
@@Dusdaddyconsidering Nissan’s VQ V6 engines are one of the most reliable and respected V6 engines in the world, it’d be my choice too.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 Yep, and that's what I mean. Just about the time automakers work out all the bugs and get a good reliable drivetrain, they change it. Then start all over again.
2.7l Ecoboost uses a wet belt for oil pump, no thanks
Specially if you live closer to sea level NA V6 will do better
manufacturers should be ashamed of the pricing on these trucks.
Get a better job
Uh, that is why they have different trim levels meeting different income levels. They do from low 30s to high 40s before rebates.
People keep buying the damn things.
The trucks are more expensive because the dollar is worth less
@@lamborghiniempanada7586"If you're homeless, just buy a house."
A person can make a healthy living wage and still disapprove of these prices.
I MUCH prefer less overly complex tech and a naturally aspirated V6.
Turbochargers aren't new tech 😂 a V6 has way more moving parts. More things to go wrong
@beexiong2995 I never said turbos are new tech. Also, maybe you should talk to basically any mechanic because it's common knowledge that a naturally aspirated engine will last longer than a turbo engine if both are maintained correctly.
@@theaveragewoodsman6002 it depends on who built the engine and transmission. Look at all the bad cvts from nissan. All the engine fires in hyundai. Lets not even get started on GM & Ford
@beexiong2995 I'm referring to a well-built, well maintained comparison. If all things are equal, the increased stress and complexity of a turbo engine shortens its lifespan. It's just a fact, like it or not.
@@theaveragewoodsman6002 well unfortunately no manufacturer makes the same quality products. Based on consumer reports thats all you can rely on. A turbo ford is not the same as a turbo toyota. A nissan V6 is not the same as a jeep V6
I know a lot of people like the large screens in cars, but I am not a fan. I upgraded my base 4" radio to an 8" factory radio on my 2018 F-150, and that is perfect for me. I enjoy the tactile buttons.
Exactly and it's easier to mess with without really having to look away. I'm a big fan of steering wheel controls for the same reason. Honestly it's just safer.
I just hate the vertical screen. Makes you look way down when your eyes should be on the road.
Agree with these comments, I bought a 23 Silverado in custom trim with the small screen. I test drove the higher trims with bigger screens and found it too distracting when driving.
100% AGREE! These bigger screens are a joke and unless. There’s no need for such a gigantic screen. I love my 8” screen in my 2019 Ranger, it does just enough and has the right amount of options. Ford needs to learn the “KISS” way - Keep It Simple Stupid.
Same... One reason I wanted a 2023 Gladiator was the OLD 8.4 screen AND the old UConnect 4. I have "5" on my Truck and it sucks...
“Screen is too small”
F-ING GOOD!
I don't think that's too small, just whatever screen they use on the Nissan looks cheap, reminds me of a best buy branded tablet haha, but that size screen is better than the massive Ranger one IMO
How much do you think that screen costs to replace?
@@MichaelLemosKilluminati5176_ Oh I know, I'm just sick of car reviewers demanding home theater screens in cars then don't get it when we complain about high prices and the screens looking like shit. I'm in my lower 30's and I think the screens are stupid.
@@06MoeJoeExactly! Even an "IMAX" screen wouldn't be big enough for these dildos! 🤣
6" Screen iS Fine, Sick Of all This Nonsence tttTechnoLogy, Damn Trucks Not cccCelLphones.
Frontier is the most underrated pickup truck. Absolute reliable beast of a midsizer
but you buy a nissan, the shit of Japanese cars.
@@gerry5786 Let me introduce you to Mitsubishi... FTR, Nissan/Infinity RWD/NA vehicles are good stuff. Fronty, G370, Z-car,. Avoid anything with a CVT.
The Nissan is already 10 years old every time a new model comes, better be reliable 🤣🤣.
@@gerry5786That is for sure about Nissan😅👎
Not now it isnt. I have a 2023 Frontier and it isnt a beast in anything other than mediocrity. That truck has zero business being 46k
Yes! An engine that doesn't need a turbo to get up and get down the road. LOVE IT!
A slug 😂 I wish I could slap a turbo on my v6
@@freedomisntfree_44not when a total engine rebuild is needed 😂😂😂
See an this is the problem would you trade an e motor at low speeds or a turbo at all speeds im torn na is fine it has its place but induction is slow to the go like a scared cat I want instant torque til about 60mph then allow the motor to take over upto 150 that's all and it wouldn't have to be 0-60 in 1.9 but a solid 3 would be perfect
@@midlifecrisis7888 don’t need an engine rebuild
@@midlifecrisis7888 yea I could see that n/a engine having to be rebuilt as it strains to tow anything with weight to it😖
Love my 2022 SV Frontier (fully loaded). The original owner bought it for $45k, I bought it second hand with only 13k miles for $32k. After 4 months of ownership, I'm VERY happy with my purchase.
is 2022 or 2021 the new generation of frontiers?
let the suckers buy it new and pay the premium destination fee+ taxes+ fees. I'll stick to buying discounted for thousands on a good used deal when it comes around.
The SV Hardbody is priced same as the Pro4x, but with Pro4x you get more features, better look, and technology
I'm going with the nissan! Love the look and it's naturally aspirated!
Nothing wrong with torque from a turbo and is better suited for truck duty. I'll take the Ranger any day.
@@302Mustang13i agree and disagree, turbos are definitely better for torque but heavier on the maintenance compared to the Nissan v6 basically been making the same v6 for 20 years with plenty of examples over 400k all the way up to 900k with basic maintenance. With that being said I think the frontier is the better “Truck” more reliable and better bang for your buck. Both nice trucks regardless
@@vfate9786 Don't forget Ford has had this 2.3 Ecoboost in the Mustang since late 2014 and there are high mileage examples out there too. Ranger is nearing 5 years with a slightly different version and doing well. It's just routine fluids and not much else.
Liking The Nissan & The Red To@ Base mdL. Be Fine 4 me, if Ya Need More/ReaL Truck@ Works etc... & Bigger Truck WouLd Be Wise. FOr; 6-k. Towing Truck Turbos Arn't Neccasary.
Adre, I towed my son’s BMW on a car trailer with my Frontier (about 5,000lbs total) and the engine purred at about 2K rpm virtually the whole way. Never seemed stressed at all. Love the truck!
Cool story, only believable if the entire trip was downhill.
Otherwise 🐂💩
The most BMW story ever 😂
@@BC08 it's actually accurate. I have a '22 Frontier and tow a 17' travel trailer with mine (just over 4,100 pounds loaded). For about 80% of my drive from Cincinnati to Myrtle Beach, the truck doesn't get above 2,100-2,200 rpm. The mountains caused the truck to periodically downshift a couple of gears, but the engine NEVER once got above 3,200 rpm. I am not a Nissan fanboy by any means- I bought the truck because I got a deal I couldn't pass up in today's market.
@@BC08 watch this channel they tow over 6k up the ike gauntlet with this truck with no problems.
@@sierratough4934 At redline
It's great how you always compare rear seat room
I’d rather have no seat room and the bigger box. These are barely trucks if they can’t haul much in the back
Rear seat not important. I would go the rear seat delete for more storage, if available.
Andrea driving the Nissan with his knees in his chin and says its normal LOL
@@gregmoessner3104that's why half ton and 3/4 ton trucks exist. Different tools different uses derp
Eh, I wou;dn't get the Frontier Hardbody edition just because it looks great. I would get a Pro-4X for maybe 3-4k less and more features.
agreed, I love the Hardbody wheels and exterior treatment overall because it reminds me of my childhood (my family owned a 97), but man nostalgia is expensive.
@@engineer_alv Indeed, my family's first car was a late 1980s Pathfinder with the triangle windows and those lego wheels too. Good times.
Interesting that the Nissan seems to have a slightly more comfortable back seat area than the Ranger. It's minor but noticeable in the video. I'd like to see the same demonstration with the Colorado. I'd also like to see a LxWxH comparison of the beds on these mid-sized trucks.
I don't realistically do heavy off roading. We have toys/alternate vehicles for that. That being said, I am very satisfied with my '22 Frontier SV. It's towed 5,000lbs + back and forth from PA-FL without a problem. Plenty of power. Transmission does a decent job engine breaking and is definitely noticeable for what it is. It's definitely not a big human back seat, but it totally works in a pinch.
The steering wheel not telescope, but it's actually in my seating position so it's not a problem.
I can confirm with you saying that I do not like how a forced induction engine drives. We do a TON of lighter weight towing with our off road toys, etc... and I know the turbo motor have power, mpg, etc, etc, etc... I will avoid it at all costs cus I genuinely dislike how they tow. In a little family car, fine. I just use my truck for truck-esque stuff too much and absolutely cannot stand the turbo engine. The linear speed, predictable power, and simplicity of a naturally aspirated engine will be my truck choice until it's no longer an option.
I am 100% Ford, I own three vehicles and all three are Ford's.
But with that said I'd take the Nissan over that Ranger.
The Nissan has everything a person needs without over complicating it. Not to mention the N/A V6.
Andre said they've tested the small displacement with turbo engines before, one year & 10,000 miles is not testing. My 2008 F-150 has the 4.2 N/A V6 with a little over 200,000 miles on it. And that's 200,000 miles of hauling & towing on it with no issues at all.
No it's not the fastest, no it can't jump a dirt hill, but it's ready to go to work.
"If we have to have environmental regulations, we need one that requires manufacturers to warranty their cars through 100,000 miles. If your car doesn't average 200,000k miles you suck as a manufacturer." - Not entirely a throw-away-thought?
I gotta say I know it's not apples to apples comparison but the 2012 Ford f350 with a 6.2 gas engine will not die. But the Diesels had to have work done well before the Ford even needed transmission work. Pulling the same heavy trailers. The motor has 328k and had one coil pack replaced and an exhaust manifold bolt replaced. Never leaked fluids and is still going. Ridiculously durable.
The Ford 4.2 V6 was one of the worst truck engines they ever had. Lacks torque and sucks fuel. My dad had one in reg cab 4x4 and the 5.4 Triton F-150 Supercab 4x4 he bought next got better mpgs. Now he has a 2.3 Ranger that is getting much better mpgs. Best combo of power and fuel economy.
@@302Mustang13
I will say that I was expecting better mileage out of my 4.2 but I drive it every day & 90% of the time it has tools, & material's in it, & a lot of the time it's pulling a small trailer 5X10 loaded with materials. And it averages 18 mpg, my brother's F150 Platinum with the Coyote does better, so yes I was a little disappointed in that.
But with 200,000 miles on it and I've never touched it other than maintenance "oil changes" & it has always performed with anything I hook to it I'm happy with it.
I bought a Ford Escape & trailer it home with absolutely no problem.
These small overpressure turbo engines they're pumping out today has plenty of power but I don't believe they will ever last like any N/A engine will
@@scottyellis3442 We were too and I told him the 4.6 V8 (there was no 5.4 at the time he ordered his 4.2 F-150) would do better and get better mpgs. I also have an Escape but with the 2.0 turbo and 8 speed. It pulls like mad with a heavy trailer and keep the oil changed as appropriate and I'm sure it will last. My last oil analysis was flawless with 8,000 mile changes on AMSOIL.
My 2024 XLT FX4 with spray in bedliner and integrated side steps is only costing me $40,445
Nice
Plus, Ford knows trucks. I’ve owned multiple Ford trucks & they’re very durable, despite the Toyota fanboys thinking otherwise.
@@krasnaludek298 There wasn't a Toyota here.
@krasnaludek298 Toyota fanboys still have a point when it comes to previous generation of Tundra/Tacoma. New gens is another story..
@@sierratough4934it’s in the shop
I'd go with the Nissan because I HATE when manufacturers use massive touch screens. Buttons and knobs are much more intuitive for controls. I like the 8" screen for CarPlay in my F-150, but any larger than that is totally unnecessary and it eats in to the space where they should be putting buttons instead.
I went with the fully loaded 24 Frontier Pro 4X because I got it about 11k cheaper than the fully loaded 24 Tacoma TRD Off-Road(57k!!!!)
Love my Datsun by Nissan. With the exception of tires, few batteries, the seat covering, and one intake coolant hose, all original and Still runs perfectly on the original plugs! -1979 620 5 speed getting 32mpg for all of my life. This new Nissian will hold up to its name, would be nice to see tailgate chains/latches for long-term reliability.
They all rusted out here. Glad to here yours is a beast.
Classic truck and you just don't see them anymore.
@nickdeagle3271 Has minimal rust thanks to its salt free life here in the Colorado rockies. Runs the same gauntlet tfc tow tests new trucks on. It's about time to get it out of the storage container for the year.
I owned a rust free (CA truck) 1984 Nissan 720 4x4 with a 5 spd. Mine did great up until 284K miles when I rebuilt the synchros on the gearbox and the engine. Not too shabby considering the Z24 engine was notorious for heads cracking.
My very first car, at age 18, was a new 1975 Datsun truck, 4 speed manual trans, $3700 total price, including all taxes and license. I still have the original loan paperwork, at 10% interest, The truck was very durable, and reliable. I modified it putting on headers, 2 1/4" exhaust (for a nice throaty sound), Offenhauser intake manifold, and Mallory Unilite electronic ignition system. I was a part of the new mini truck craze, that started in the mid 70's in southern California. Glad that you still have yours, and that it's held up so long for you!
What a cool comparison! The Nissan is more "old school" traditional power steering, etc. The Ford seems to be more high tech, and modern.
195k miles on my 15' Frontier desert runner. No problems and the thing starts right up. Hands down the most underrated trucks!
Loving the "Driving Mr. Nathan" vibe and his color commentary. Also looking forward to the V6 EcoBoost review.
Great review!.........But, I would love to see how the headlights are at night! I do a lot of night driving and would love to see head to head comparisons!!!
I miss my Frontier Terribly. I bought the 2020 old body style with new engine. It consistently got my 20-21 mpgs. Unfortunately I had to part ways because my family was growing and got an F150.
An f150 gets better mpg than a frontier, it’s depends on what engine you choose. The supercrew f150 has a huge rear seating area, at 6’3 I still have room of 4-6” between the knee and seatback
I'm hoping that one day you guys will actually make a good comparison when it comes to the Frontier, you ALWAYS compare it to the wrong trim. The comparisons you should be doing are as follows:
Frontier Pro4x vs Ford Ranger FX4
Frontier Pro4x vs Tacoma TRD Offroad (3rd gen)
Frontier Pro4x vs Chevy Colorado Trail Boss and Z71
Frontier Pro4x vs GMC Canyon Elevation and AT4
I did all of these comparisons recently when truck shopping and quickly realized that the Pro4x is by far the best value for the money. Sure it has it's drawbacks but it's value is undeniable in the segment, last of a dying breed.
I do like the non turbo engine option on the Nissan.
When it comes to trucks and cars I want normal sized screens none of this 10 inch or larger screens. Sure it's easier to use and see. But night driving it's distracting. My idea may not carry any support but I'd be okay with the screen being big when parked or backing up. But when driving it gets smaller to reduce to overall lighting. Even in dark mode it blinds me when someone calls. And only reason for it to be full sized backing up for the camera if it's available.
My first vehicle was a 1994 Ford Ranger XLT Supercab 4.0L V6 with manual transmission. I paid $15,500 for it out the door and I got rid of it in 2008 with 200,000 miles. Now I wish I would have held on to it. LOL
It wasn’t my first vehicle but in 1990 I bought a new XLT Supercab 4x4 Ranger with automatic for 18k out the door. Sold it to a friend 2002 with 298k miles…replaced one water pump, brakes and spark plugs only. I believe he had over 400k when he sold it with same motor and transmission.
I had a 2001 Ford Ranger XLT with an extended cab (suicide doors) with an auto trans. I got rid of mine in 2001 with 210,000 miles and all I did was replace the water pump on the truck $350. The rest was regular maintainence. 4 sets of tires and front brakes 4 or 5 times. I never had to replace the rear brakes. Loved the truck.
sorry 2021
I had a 96 and 3- 2000's in my business. They were bullet proof. And they are still on the road with over 200k on each.
@@paulchapman1933 They are solid little trucks, and I miss the one I used to drive. I am not no sure all of the new complicated GDI turbo engines (from any manufacturer) are going to be as reliable.
Would be happy to get that Frontier. Lovely V6.
And simpler interior. And not a huge screen.
Best Frontier is the S. If you're in the same config (quad cab, 4x4) you get 1,290 lbs of payload for 36k. 1,290 is not amazing, but is far better than what's provided here.
That’s MSRP. You can get Frontiers at a discount, especially the S trim.
My local Nissan lot has some crazy incentives on these frontiers, so even though they are priced the same, the frontier will come out about $5-7K lower than the Ranger after all said and done. I made a video on it
A Pro-4X would have been the appropriate comparison to an FX4.
Incorrect … the Pro-4X would misalign the prices. Watch the video and they clearly state that these carry the same sticker price.
@@krasnaludek298 Agreed---A loaded Pro-4x would have been $50K so not really comparable. They did a good job.
My pro-4x was $43k msrp. You can spec the pro-4x into the $50ks but it starts at $39,560.
@@Dusdaddy of course they are going to make it about price. The ranger FX4 is inferior to the PRO-4x from an offroad standpoint. Their job is to help Ford sell trucks.
Not all Pro-4X are 4wd
The Ford for leasing to a young person that only needs a truck for a fashion statement. The Nissan for purchasing to a grownup that has property and will drive it 20 plus years till the wheels fall off. That’s why I have the Frontier.
After driving my f150 ecoboost 300k miles tried a nissan titan with a v8. I just couldn't pull the trigger because it seemed like it was lacking power. The ecoboost has been solid. Sure it might coast $1500 more in maintenance over 10 years but it is worth it. I probably saved 20k in fuel.
When the nissan seatbelt warning was going off I thought My microwave was beeping
Same!!!😂
omfg same
Now I know what to expect, just bought a frontier
Mundane 😢Chimes.
Wholly F! Take my money!!!! That Nissan Frontier Hardbody!!!! Had a 1986.5 Hardbody SEV6 5 speed 4x4 back in the day. It was the same color, same wheels.(different tires) It was NOT a 4door obviously. But what a truck! I miss it to this very day. I had a 1995 Pathfinder SEV6 4x4. Same colors, same wheels. Was fantastic as well! This NEW truck/trim is a must have for Nissan enthusiasts. Hell, I don't even need a truck anymore and want to go out and buy it and I am only 53 seconds into this video!
One thing you may want to include in your midsize truck reviews is whether or not you can flat tow its very important for rv'ers who like to flat tow behind there rv. I believe chevy,gmc,ford can be flat towed, and Nissan,toyota can not unless its a manual 4x4.
Learn how to spell.
Truck trials sounds awesome. Your videos a couple years back was a big source of information when I researching mid-size trucks. There was a lot to go through since it was usually 2 manufacturers compared at a time.
The Ranger being able to fit 4ft between the wheel wells is great. With the tailgate down a 4X8 foot sheet of plywood only hangs about a foot and a half beyond the back of the truck.
nissan available in 6ft bed with kingcab and slightly narrower overall width may fit better in garage.
Well I don't like putting a red flag on 2x4s because they hang out
A TRUCK has an 8ft bed gate up when hauling basic building lumber.
@@tc6580 I use a 5x8 trailer attached to my little ford ecosport for that. 22mpg verses taking my F250 out at 14mpg. Trailer does atv duty and also is pulled by mower when we are picking up sticks out the yard. Very handy.
@@spyder000069 but it can’t carry sheet materials between the wheel wells
You guys should look at fit and finish between trucks.
This video makes it sound like the Ford is the clear choice but they have suffered from reliability issues across several of their vehicles the last few years.
I haven't sat in the newest generation Ford, but the previous gen felt terrible inside compared to this gen Frontier. All the panels flexed a lot. The panel gaps didn't line up. It was sad.
You can get massive discount on the Nissan I just bought the pro 4x for 39k
You made a good decision. That V6 will last a long time
I paid 39000 for my 2022 pro4x lol
Am the only one that doesn’t like the giant vertical display? Smaller 9-10in traditional horizontal makes more sense.
I just purchased the 2024 chevy Colorado trailboss with all the options I wanted leather interior cruise control spray in bedliner etc for over 5k less than these 2 trucks cost.
A brand new 2024 Frontier Pro-4X in my area sales for 40k. It's hard to beat at that price, compared to everything else.
I had a 88 hardbody 4x4 5 speed and i loved it a lot
The ranger really is a beast. I had a 2020 with the 2.3L and loved it. Bought it on rebate for $30K. It Towed and Hauled effortlessly; Even in the Tennessee mountains. I put multiple performance upgrades on and it was a blast. In the end I traded it for a new Bronco bc despite all of that, the ranger was miserable on long distance trips. If and when I buy another truck; for $46K, I’d just spend the extra money and get a heavy duty. Midsize trucks are nice in principle but I don’t see the market for them when they cost this much.
Good comparison. I do love the power and torque being available at a calmer 2000 RPM VS taching out an NA engine. And that payload on the Nissan is a joke, they could have done better there. I would happily own either truck. I daily a 2020 Ranger though
I like the manual rear window; many trucks now have either an electric rear window, or solid glass. The excuse was the rear was too big for the driver to reach and close while driving (in case of a gas attack, I guess), but clearly that isn’t the case as the rear of the ranger is just as big as many trucks that don’t offer it.
I love the people complaining about turbos in a truck. Ever heard of a turbo diesel? They’ve been around for quite a while and pretty powerful….
Great video. I just got a brand new Nissan frontier SV with all the options. It's a great truck. I just ordered new black wheels that will be put on this week. Thanks for sharing your reviews.
If I am going by looks alone I would get the Nissan.
The huge deal breaker for these trucks for me though is no 4WD auto. That mode is what I use the most on road when the weather is bad.
It's just one dial. Less things to fail also
Ranger Raptor has it
4 auto isn't a big deal. Ford's switch into 4wd extremely fast because of the vacuum hubs
@@firstlast--- 4WD is great for off roading or the roads are a complete dump, but not great for the drivetrain on paved surfaces hence why I like 4 auto since it acts more like AWD which is better for variable conditions.
I've never owned a Ford but I would consider one. I've owned two Nissan trucks and both rusted out before 7 years of ownership here in the northeast and I take care of my vehicles. Aside from the rust, the Nissan was a good truck
Nissan hasn’t made a good truck since the Hardbody went out of production.
Renault-era Nissan is just sad
I'd personally stay away from Ford. They've led the industry in recalls 3 years in a row.
@@BC08 🤣🤣🤣 sure buddy
Get an f150. Aluminum for the win!
@@St.Irenaeus “jApAnEsE qUaLitY” 🥴
With taxes and dealer additional accessories costs...about $50k+.....will keep my old truck.
Nathan being from the San Fernando Valley explains a lot! Not a bad thing though. I got my driver's license at the Glendale DMV office in April 1972, driving a Datsun PL520. My wife, who was a Valley girl from James Monroe high school, bought a 1985 Ford Ranger 4wd new. Both trucks have changed so drastically for the better. I considered a midsize truck last year. But bought a Jeep JLU to tow behind our Ram 2500 4wd 6.7L with a 4wheel popup camper.
Another great review, with lots of information not typically found elsewhere.
…Except Nissan is offering massive discounts on the frontier. $5000-8000 off depending on trim.
I am considering a Ram Crew Cab with the pentastar vs a Frontier, both can be had for mid 30's, to me a midsize truck is cramped
The turbo equipped powertrains never live up to the EPA ratings... they are great for gaming CAFE though.
Yea my 23 F150 gets 2 mpg better in town and .5 on the highway better than what the EPA says it should, maybe cause the 2.7 has2 Turbos!😏
It's all about how you drive it. If you always put your foot in it, it will lose fuel economy because of the boost.
Turbo engines are built for emissions not fuel economy. Will take a non turbo engine over a turbo all day long, more to break and more to cost you money.
@charliehargrave7458 that is wrong. A turbo can be built for fuel economy or power.
So many people ignore the fact that Engines over seas have used turbos just fine for over 20 years.
Change your oil properly, and most turbos don't have issues.
I can get over what the EPA states with our Ecoboost. I also often get worse when I’m driving how I like to drive. But it’s possible and similar to my 5.0 where I can either do better or worse depending on the day or trip.
Is there a midsize truck with rear ac vents in the center console? I’ve kind of looked, but haven’t really seen one.
Colorado and Canyon.
@@is6566 good to know, thank you.
I think the canyon does for,sure, and if they do probably the Colorado
Honda Ridgeline
Have you just got the new Ranger style in the US like 2 years after the rest of the world?
Yep been in Australia for 2 years
The old one came something like eight years late, right? Two years late doesn’t sound so bad
It’s because years ago Ford went all-in on full size trucks and discontinued the Ranger. In the US “midsize” trucks are an afterthought and Ford chose to import.
Haven’t seen CANT get a king cab let alone a hardbody here in Edmonton Alberta. Banned from Canada?
@@gregmoessner3104Visited 3 dealerships to be told so. Lost sale because I would buy an SV but need a 6 foot bed and Kingcab to fit in my garage. I am very dissapointed in the paltry payload and wish for similar numbers to the Ranger
The reason my folks and I traditionally never went for a turbo car was actually insurance costs. Now it's hard to not have a car with turbo and insurance is insane no matter what.
Great job guys!!!
love the side by side!!❤😊🎉
I bought a 2019 gmc canyon with a 2.8 liter diesel new sticker was $45,595. I paid $37,500. for it brand new. Was thinking of selling it. I am keeping it I guess.
The problem is that even the best turbos in the world last 100k miles at most best case scenario so all having a turbo does is add a 7500 to 10 k bill every 100k miles
Ouch
@@jfruser ah now I see where your bias lies if you don’t question any of that at all.
Where are you basing that information from?
@@firstlast--- my guess is internet fueled ignorance.
@@ALMX5DP If by "bias" you mean accumulated experience over decades, sure I am biased.
I had a 2019 frontier which i wound up selling for a Alot more than i bought it during the pandemic boom. It was a fantastic truck,never had a single issue with it and we did a good deal of offroading in snow and mud all sorts of terrains. But it was last gen and I'm amazed to see how little they changed with this model. 47k is absolutely too much lol
Half ton pickup prices for midsize trucks. And that's being kind.
What is all the tape inside the door on the Ranger, if you look at the payload stickers?
$5k too much for both. Ford's CEO is pulling in $20M each year and consumers pay for it through overpriced vehicles.
Help me understand why a full size F150, with a 35 eco-boost gets better mileage than a midsize truck I just don’t understand.
Really strange. Isn’t it? I think the reason is that the full size trucks have on average higher displacement engines and those are working less hard to get the same work done. However, they’re going to have worse NxO emission numbers than the smaller displacement turbos in the midsize trucks. Heck, the V8 in the F150 probably will have similar mpg numbers than these midsize tiny turbos.
The complaint about engine covers is so childish. Who genuinely cares how pretty an engine bay is? With how complicated these bays are getting, just leave them open without a cover so its easier to see around at a quick glance.
moreover this is an easy fix, Ford sells the cover (or at least did for the previous gen). I think it should be standard equipment because it's just a small piece of plastic that should not cost Ford more than $30 to make/source, but if it's not there it won't hurt reliability, which is much more important than aesthetics
The exhaust is an odd difference between US and world models. My exhaust outlet on the Ford is invisible because it bridges over the rear axle and down behind it and just stops, aiming down. Almost impossible to damage it offroad but prone to raise some dust on a trail. Having said that and considering mine is a diesel and the exhaust pipe is a relatively large diameter, the flow strength out of the pipe seems slow, probably helped by the diameter of the pipe but also the cats and DPF closely fitted to the turbochargers.
Different rules and regulations.
@@is6566 Not the case. European regulations on emissions and almost everything mirror those of the USA.
You seriously believe that the same car company would build an exhaust system differently for two separate markets (for the SAME vehicle model) and by doing that reduce the scale of economy and consequently increase cost without regulation just for the love of diversity or being different? 😃 I was NOT talking about emission regulation but safety requirements, crash testing etc. They are definitely different between the US and European markets and others and this is why US is missing out on probably 80% of global vehicles.
@@is6566 My dear chap, they not only have different exhaust for different engines, of which many are offered worldwide, but also different emission equipment which require yet more exhaust designs, for different markets. These Rangers are built at three factories worldwide from scratch to an essentially identical template. The fact that South African and Thai built models have been out for a year and two respectively, while US build of the current variant has only just started using US made components. In the South African plant, not only do they make the four cylinder and v6 diesels on the same line, which is unique in the industry, but they also build Ford and VW variants on the same production line, not quite at random.
As for safety equipment, they build a vast number of variants and even vary active safety features according to the model. There are about five variations of headlights available in the UK alone, starting with halogen on base models and up to active matrix LED’s on top models. Similarly with rear lights where thei have basic globes, or a mix with LED, or full LED with extra sensors included for things like auto parking and trailer reversing assist.
A lot of words to in essence don’t challenge the fact that all these variants are built because of different market regulations plus of course trims, duh. 😃
Y did you get the hard body .lots of extra stuff to raise the price. The pro4x wood have been a better option. And it has the locker. If you are going to take them offroad it would be more fair.
Would you recomnad upgrading to pro4x or the hardbody won't make much difference.
Andre, your Tacoma is literally a base model truck that has 4x4 and that it is. The Ranger is a much better deal pricewise. From all mis-size truck, I like the Ranger Raptor the most. I am a Toyota fan, but the pricing of the new Tacoma sucks, big time.
Why is the rear of the Ranger jacked up so high? I looked at the previous version and it's actually higher than a F150. Really stupid. Makes the truck unusable.
Towing and payload , stiff springs. Its a capable truck with regards to towing especially.
@@jeedwards1981 Towing & payload with LESS stiff springs. That is why they need the altitude. To keep base ride height, they would need stifer springs with less travel.
@@jfruser ok i believe ya, i always thought it had super stiff springs,lol, im not very smart haha
The high rear end also makes the truck a lot safer. Cars and Crossovers will go under the truck and their occupants will take the brunt of the crash forces.
I just bought the 2024 xlt sport ranger last Monday with the 2.3 l and I love it same color as the one in this video cactus grey!
Andre's Trail Boss is the best value in the mid size category.
If you add cruise control, it's not as good of a price.
Hi Guys from Oz,
I drive a Nissan Navara 2.3 litre diesel twin turbo with a payload of 1000kg .
Most medium size trucks over here have a similar payload and can tow up to 3500kg .
American medium size trucks payload is pitiful!
The Ranger is similar over here in Oz And available with V6, 3 litre turbo diesel. Very good towing platform!
"Don't trust turbos"
Yes. If automakers are so confident about them, give us a 150,000 mile warranty on turbo replacement across all brands.
Dont worry the nissan will need a new transmission before the turbo goes 😂
Put a 6.8Ltr. V-8 Gas Engine& foCo😮, .... ....CouLd Have a new Customer@ $35-k.
Yep, 175-k. No HaggLe New Turbo 4 These 😢inSANE Prices.
Ford internally rates turbo failure at 120k. A 6k bill every 120k is insane
I have 232,000 on my Nissan truck. Never touched the transmission.
Great review!
Im from South Africa and I bought the new Ranger in December.
Its interesting the difference in powertrains we get compared to you guys
I have the XL with 2.0 single turbo.
Here we have the option of the 2.0 single turbo, 2.0 bi-turbo, 3.0 v6 (all diesels) or the Raptor
I am very happy so far.
Fuel economy is decent so far. Will see what the reliablility will be like, its not my first Ford and my previous onss did well
My ranger XL has vents in the back :) but I dont have power outlets in the bin
The majority of power tools today are cordless. Anyone that works out of their truck knows how convenient it is to be able to charge batteries when there is no power or when you need to get to the next job and charge on the way. Everything is rechargeable now, I've had a inverter in my work van for the last 20 years for this reason. It's nice they're building them in now.
Honda Ridgeline would be my choice at that price realm.
Always up for a pickup comparison!
Is there any difference between the f350 platinum high output and f350 platinum tremor high output when towing? Which one is better overall in your opinion?
I just bought a 2024 Honda Ridgline Trailsport, and it's an awesome ride. I'm hoping I'll get that Honda reliability out of it.
sadly it has that 9 spd trans which is what most manufacturers buy from mercedez benz. Garbage transmission that wont make it past 200k miles no matter how much you baby it. Im waiting until honda sticks in their own 10 spd built transmission as they have with the odyssey since 2019, to consider a ridgeline or frontier using nissan self built trans as with all prev generations.
Could they make the beds any shorter and still call it a truck?
Ford answered your question already. 😃 The Ford Maverick's cargo bed measures 54.4 inches long, about 4.5 feet.
Tacoma, Frontier, Ranger, Colorado/Canyon Gladiator, Ridgeline then Dakota. My ranking of mid-size trucks 🛻! In Kenya you only see Toyota Helix or Nissan Dessert Runners
Right, I'm buying a truck because they're a big seller in Kenya? Good qualifying criteria. 👍Next time I look for a vehicle I'll be sure to see what sells in Kenya.
You don’t need the others! You get the best of the best already lucky 🍀 you 🇰🇪! Only wish we got the 70 series Toyotas here in the USA. 😢
@@Mike-te1xxDo you know why they sell well in Kenya? Probably because they don’t break… the amount of warranty stories I hear from guys with new trucks of all makes and models is pretty wild.
@@DMSparky there are several reasons, most of those countries don't have the same variety of vehicles as North America and also there's this thing about maintenance, specially when it comes to some groups of anti government people that won't do their maintenance at the local shop, but rather do it themselves or hire their own techs. That's why fleets also stick to one brand whenever possible
Will you guys be doing a direct interior comparison of all of them? I'm curious how average height dudes fit in all 4 seats and how a rearward facing car seat fits behind an average size dude
I like the Frontier, but if I saw these 2 trucks sitting side by side on a lot and they were priced the exact same, I would go with the Ranger. Rear locker, better tires, and payload win over a roll bar and nostalgic wheels for me
Real-world prices might vary for the next 12 months or so??? - It will be harder to get a Ranger without a mark-up but a Frontier may come with a discount?
My 2016 6.2l GMC 1500 4x4 gets over 20 mpg on the highway. This water in Minnesota driving in town and using auto start t warm it up never went below 15.2mpg.
I would go Frontier, I am a Toyota Fan boy and since they went Turbo I am out. I really like the Frontier. Nissan could gain a ton of market share if they just changed some of the design to what people want. Do some more blackout wheels and some crazy colors like a orange or a green like toyota has done. follow the trend. front locker would also be nice,
Increase the payload!
Toyota has been doing turbo vehicles for decades in the Land Cruiser or Hilux. Those are super reliable 😁
I don't think you understand that nissan will soon be going turbo 4 as well. Go ask them and they will tell you
only because they are diesel and need a turbo to go.@@JollyGiant19
NA V6s are very anemic especially in the Rockies. They aren’t going to last with extended WOT bouncing off the rev limiter.
I can’t believe we are comparing Ford to Nissan.
I would love a reason to choose the Ranger, but at this point it would take a lot to convince me to buy American.
OH! That Nissan has the old school wheels!! Nice.
Being 6'3" tall I'm so glad I nolonger have my midsize Colorado and have my full size Ram 1500 Crew Cab. The space is so wonderful in a full size truck. I'd be so content on never having another truck again. Unfortunately I fear the powers that be will force me one day into a battery operated truck. Hopefully that day will be many yrs away.
Put them on the rollers!!
The 2.7 ecoboost is going to be a beast in the Ranger. I'm really looking forward to the Ranger 2.7 and Tacoma Iforce max hybrid test on the Ike Gauntlet. Also the Tacoma TRD Pro vs Ranger Raptor vs ZR2 showdown offroad.
Agreed, if my F150 Supercrew 4x4 does mid 6s with the 2.7 I can't imagine how much it would do in a Ranger. Too bad Ford detuned these engines for Ranger duty (both the 2.3 and 2.7 Eco) to avoid overlapping power with the Mustang and F150 respectively.
@@engineer_alv Hopefully, there will be some good tunes out there for the 2.7, to get that hp back and then some.
The hybrid powertrain will lose its juice fairly quickly in a tow test going up a mountain. Going up mountains and towing with them isn't any better than the non-hybrid. Makes the price difference kind of ridiculous.
Frontier all day for me. Naturally aspirated power for the win. I also prefer the simplicity of the interior. As much as I love the look of this Hardbody trim, I'd opt for a base "S" trim 2-door. I need the lower price and better utility. The Hardbody kit is so cool though. I love the retro 1980s wheels!
worth mentioning at this point in the winds of change is that hybrids will be the better choice. GREAT review guys!👍
Omg the wheels 😍😍on the nissan so old and classic
No style to em they are bland