@@qua7771 I will agree, because in this particular album everything was done in eddies studio, which he had built by himself and most of us we don't know exactly he used, from common knowledge we know basic things like eventide, H&H power amps, maybe the plexi ed amp, but I think we'll learn for sure in jim's video
@@Theofanis1000 Jim seems to be good at deciphering what has been disguised in forums, and coming to a accurate conclusion. Not everyone has the resources, or space to experiment on this level. I was fortunate enough to have attended a 1984 concert. Of course, the concert sounded different than the album. If Jim has the time to pursue this, it will certainly be interesting.
JIm, have you ever thought of profiling your amp, cab and studio setup with a Kemper Profiling Amp? I would pay for that and it would allow others to enjoy maybe 90% of the experience of the elusive "brown sound" without the many caveats of this amplifier and chain setup would entail for us mere mortals. Pleeeeease consider it!! It would be a huge win for all of us who follow your channel and support what you do.
That intro squeal and the ring on those harmonics at the intro of Panama spine-tingling and even more so when there's no other instruments in the background I always said no matter how quiet or how loud I listen to Eddie Van Halen play on those early albums he was always on the verge of blowing everything up and you captured that tone perfectly
@jegauss HE HAS RETURNED!!!! YES!!! Hope all's well Jim. Been way too long. Happy to see and hear a preview of what's to come. Superb job here on Panama. The tone and all the nuances are there as expected. Can't wait to hear/see the final product. The tone is perfect Jim, wow.
Ha! Yes, I'm back (this album has had a bunch to figure out). Shouldn't be much longer now. I'm in the process of shooting the video - Thank you for the kind words - much appreciated!
This is absolutely awesome. Panama has got to be one the trickiest tones in the catalog to nail down, and I think you’ve done it. Can’t wait to complete my PhD in Eddie Van Halen Tone-ology.
By far the most difficult tone of Ed's to cop. Theres so much clarity, sustain, brightness, and warmth... It also sounds LOUD! Rumor was his pickup on Franky was broken and acted like a hum bucking single coil. Panama sounds like that guitar was used...
Yep, it's a tough one. It's got a lot of fizz in it, but it's still "spanky" I think the coil story is nonsense - That's what happened with the 5150 guitar - one coil didn't read correctly, but still functioned. That story has been verified by Larry Dimarzio and Jim DeCola (who were tasked with "duplicating" that pickup for the EB MM signature guitar). So, I think that coil story has been somehow applied to the Frankenstein, too....but, I don't think that was the case. I'll go through what I'm using when I finish the full 1984 video.
@@jegauss I thought the coil story originated from whoever documented the guitar at the Fender Custom Shop when they produced those $25k versions of Franky. Either way. REALLY looking forward to this video!
I read the Dimarzio article which discussed the damaged coil too. I found that adding a variable (hooked to a 500k pot) and partial (with 2.2k resistor) coil split rolled back to 6 or 7 simulates the broken coil tone pretty well
I always wondered if Eddie still used the Frankenstein on a few of the tracks from 1984. I know most of it was the Kramer 5150, but Panama sounds a lot more like his old guitar.
Do I smell the 1984 Brown Sound Quest coming to a computer near me soon? Lol. Hell yeah, this is great. I saw you in the interview with Dave Friedman, so sweet! Also, I am going to look this up after I say this, but I wonder if Dave was Eddie’s Amp tech on tour or for studio or both? Because the things he was explaining he did to Eddie’s amp sound what Eddie sounded like live but not in the studio; the variac being way down and the tubes biased cold. You’re the only one that I know of on TH-cam that has actually used your brain in regards to hearing Eddie say that depending on venue, he would adjust his variac accordingly (in the early days I’m sure). I can almost guarantee he put the variac down to 65-70V and didn’t think about biasing the tubes considering his method of rewiring his pickup to his potentiometer. Even though the cabs were mic’d on stage at large venues, he probably kept it at 90V to be able to hear it on stage at 90V (I know they use ear pieces today but did they use them then? If so, would Eddie have used them?). It gets so much quieter, for a Plexi lol, at 70V and it’s that brown chunky sound. 💩 lol
@@jegauss We talked before. You have really shown there wasn’t any magic stuff with his gear. It was his playing (wich is hard to copy but you do it great) and the post production (eq, echo).
1984 is a tough one because he had different tone on almost every song! Panama is a darker brown tone. Check out the video of him on Letterman doing Panama with the band. Dark!
You can find a lot of Mighty Mite necks online. They're very good quality - I think they're still somewhere around $120.00. But, if you're using a Floyd Rose, they may not offer the nut route?? I don't know. Otherwise, look on ebay for a good used one. I did order a $35 from china - it's fine. Nothing wrong with it...I've got it on a regular strat build...hope that helps.
@@jegauss that does help a lot. I’m kind of a beginner in building guitars so I’m probably not gonna use a Floyd rose and just stick with a vintage fender tremolo. I saw the video where you talked about how the Floyd rose caused a lot of adjustments to be made and since this is one of my first guitar builds, I think I’m gonna take the easier route and get a fender tremolo. I’m building this frankenstrat from scratch so it’s been a little difficult finding all the parts to get for an accurate, good quality build. I’m finding some Northern Ash bodies on eBay with the right type of routing for about 115$-170$. I also found a Seymour Duncan JB pickup for around $100. Any other tips on good parts for a Frankie build?
Everything is done in post - the EQ is minimal - mics are off the cabinet about 2.5" and one mic is close to the dust cap on the "bright" speaker, the other mic is on the (close to) the suspension ring of the "dark" speaker. Those two speakers are mixed together, favoring the brighter speaker in the final mix. The only other effect is an AMS RMX16 Room Simulator, which is the reverb they had at 5150 at the time. Oh, also using an Ampex MM1200 tape simulation on the main buss. Because they either had the 3M M56 machine and/or the Ampex MM1200 at 5150 when they recorded 1984. .
@@flex9637 It's the Kiive Tape Face - setting 1 emulates the Ampex MM1200 . Setting 2 gets you into the Studer A8 emulations (which is what they used at Sunset Sound).
This one is giving me fits...I'm still trying to figure a couple of things out, and I've had some other projects I've taken on - but, I'm still working on it.
I'm not sure yet - I'm leaning more and more to the '78 for almost everything, post VH 1. He always gets some clarity in his tone, so I keep moving further from the higher powered pickups - at least on the first 6 albums.
That after solo noodling is so hard to do. You have the same issue i do. I’m thinking Ed rolled the volume up on some parts instead of just using playing dynamics. What do you think? I need to experiment.
it's going to be the 1984 video, and then after that I have plans to do a "back test video" that will touch on Diver Down, and go backwards thru the albums to layout the exact changes in the setup - they aren't as different as I (used to), or most think.
@@jegauss That’s great you’re putting out 84 next, the tone on that album is just unreal probably the greatest guitar tone ever recorded along side the guitar tone on fair warning. I have tons of questions concerning the signal path, load box, etc… but I’ll wait for you to reveal the treasure 😂 🤟
*I should probably ask the expert:* Jim, i'm hoping you have some insight into this, but maybe you're only working with the appropriate amps for this tone. But, if i wanted to get as close as possible to early Brown Sound with a pedal into a Deluxe Reverb... do you have a suggestion? I have the MXR 5150, which beat the La Grange. But, i don't really like the 5150 very much (into that amp/speaker). I recently bought a Wampler Pantheon for other tones, and i love it-seems to be perfect for a Deluxe Reverb. So i thought i'd try the Wampler Pinnacle v2. The other consideration was the Carl Martin Panama. Thoughts? I know the amp/speaker is a compromise. I have a Kemper with good EVH profiles, but i would love something that is 'satisfying' when i'm using the real amp.
nothing with the name EVH is going to get you in the ballpark of roth era tone. it’s simply not designed for it, so i would definitely throw away your 5150 overdrive 😂 the carl martin stuff is highly regarded. it’s definitely a good start. the right speaker will take you very far. it may be heresy to put a greenback into a deluxe reverb, but i think you’ll be happier with some plexi-style distortion (like i said, NOT EVH which is completely different) and the right speaker
@@tanneryordan Right. I was considering a Greenback for the Deluxe, but then i got the Wampler Pantheon, and that made me happy with gainier tones. So i was hoping Brian Wampler kinda has his pedals suited for Fender combos.... I just put the 5150 up for sale and was going to just try the Pinnacle-another 'hail mary.' I was interested in the Panama earlier, but sorta gave up on brown sound pedals for this amp before finding some joy with the Pantheon.
@@CentaurusRelax314 remember that marshalls were based on fenders. make the amp break up a little bit add that plexi-style distortion pedal and you’ll be fine. i noticed pete thorn does that for his distortion pedal reviews and it always sounds better than just straight clean with distortion
Tanner is dead on....that Deluxe is one of my favorite amps. I'd just hit the front end of it with a bit of a boost, dial the voltage way down with a variac (as far as it lets you go, and the amp still operates), and then turn it up all the way. Honestly, that's the key. You may find that you don't even need anything to hit the front-end harder. The other problem with trying to get the VH sound, is that a good part of it is moving air. It requires some volume. It's not crushing volume (with the variac), but it's a level that would blend nicely with a live drummer - so, it's still kinda loud. Trying to get "the tone" at bedroom level is next to impossible. Not to say that you can't get it close, it's just never going to "nail it." That's the battle that we've all been fighting for years. The only way to get there is to turn the amp full up. Hope that helps...good luck!
Hi ! I noticed in the intro you are really good at getting a similar quality to the palm muting as Ed. I really struggle to get that sound, I found that I need to palm mute but also somewhat keep a light touch to get that sound. Something else I'm struggling with: do you play the bass note twice or only once ? Depending on what day it is and how I'm hearing it, I either hear 2 bass notes or only 1. I sometimes wonder if there is a misleading thing to it: do you let the bass note ring out and then mute it before playing it again, which creates the illusion of 2 bass notes while it's actually only a lightly palm muted note that you let ring out a bit longer ? It's really hard to get these bass notes to sound the way Ed does it, and you seem really good at it ! Please give some info about it !
Hey Jim, which speakers did you use here and for the Drop Dead Legs test? They sound pretty killer man. I just started gigging with all the advice and help you’ve given me through your videos throughout the years. Thanks for all your help - I wouldn’t have half the tone I do without you!
Hey Justin! Thank you for watching and thank you for the kind words! So, the speakers used for this one and DDL are in my Mid 70s Marshall 1960A cabinet - G12M - 25w. Blackbacks.
It's a pair of SM57s into Logic, and that's running some API plug-ins to try to simulate an analog console - you can see variations of it in my brown sound video series.
Thank you! Details will be coming out in my Quest for the Brown Sound - 1984 video. If you've watched my previous Brown Sound videos, you'll get a general idea of what I'm running - but, it's essentially the same thing Ed ran. It's a '68 plexi Marshall (clone), stock, except for the minor anomalies that Ed's '68 had - variac turned down to 68 volts, Marshall 4x12 with 25 watt blackbacks and 60 ft. of guitar cable. No pedals. There is some minor eq-ing that happens in post, and a bit of reverb, compression and Eventide Harmonizer added...that's it.
Yep - Ed's tone was always flubby - way different than that '80s, Sunset Blvd. tone from all of the "hair metal" guys. Stock Marshall Plexis are very flubby when you turn them up...
We are waiting for the 1984 album video with impatience!! the sound is exactly like the real isolated guitar! Go Jim!!
I’m working on it! 😉 Thanks!
1984 was the era when It wasn't clear what tech Ed was using. That should be interesting.
@@qua7771 I will agree, because in this particular album everything was done in eddies studio, which he had built by himself and most of us we don't know exactly he used, from common knowledge we know basic things like eventide, H&H power amps, maybe the plexi ed amp, but I think we'll learn for sure in jim's video
@@Theofanis1000 Jim seems to be good at deciphering what has been disguised in forums, and coming to a accurate conclusion. Not everyone has the resources, or space to experiment on this level. I was fortunate enough to have attended a 1984 concert. Of course, the concert sounded different than the album. If Jim has the time to pursue this, it will certainly be interesting.
@@qua7771 I'll agree, also jim's t-shirt in the video with the "metropoulos" logo, I think we'll be in for a surprise... who knows ?
JIm, have you ever thought of profiling your amp, cab and studio setup with a Kemper Profiling Amp? I would pay for that and it would allow others to enjoy maybe 90% of the experience of the elusive "brown sound" without the many caveats of this amplifier and chain setup would entail for us mere mortals. Pleeeeease consider it!! It would be a huge win for all of us who follow your channel and support what you do.
The whole thing is great, but that F sharp and the arpeggio with it at 1:02 is SPOT ON. Sounds like the isolated track. Great work
That intro squeal and the ring on those harmonics at the intro of Panama
spine-tingling and even more so when there's no other instruments in the background
I always said no matter how quiet or how loud I listen to Eddie Van Halen play on those early albums he was always on the verge of blowing everything up and you captured that tone perfectly
Thanks Jeff! I appreciate it.
@jegauss HE HAS RETURNED!!!! YES!!! Hope all's well Jim. Been way too long. Happy to see and hear a preview of what's to come. Superb job here on Panama. The tone and all the nuances are there as expected. Can't wait to hear/see the final product. The tone is perfect Jim, wow.
Ha! Yes, I'm back (this album has had a bunch to figure out). Shouldn't be much longer now. I'm in the process of shooting the video - Thank you for the kind words - much appreciated!
@@jegauss Thanks for the reply, Jim. Hope you and the family are doing well. Looking forward to the next video.
@@jegauss How's it going Jim!? Hope all's well.
This is absolutely awesome. Panama has got to be one the trickiest tones in the catalog to nail down, and I think you’ve done it. Can’t wait to complete my PhD in Eddie Van Halen Tone-ology.
Thank you, Chandler! Hopefully, you'll graduate with honors 😉
Sounds so good Jim. We all can't wait! These videos are legendary!
Thanks James!
Absolute masterclass. Tone, feel, and attitude. Hats off mate 👏
Thank you! Very much appreciated!
Jim that is absolutely the best guitar sound I've heard from anyone trying to emulate Eddie's tone.
I say you nailed it! Rock on brother!
Thank you, Doug! I very much appreciate it!
Can’t wait to hear the explanation of this tone! Wow!
Thanks! Won’t be long now.
As usual, 100% perfect and on point! Sounds absolutely awesome!
Great! Glad to hear it! Thank you.
This is the one I’m really looking forward to. Love this album the best
I’ve got most of it (those that I can do - don’t have a Ripley guitar, so that’s not happening. But, I’ll make sure those core tones are covered!
As always great playing and sound……
Thank you!
Nailed! My favorite Ed tone is 1984.
Thank you!
Tone is sounding killer!! Can't wait to hear how you dialed it in.
Thank you, Jeff - It's coming - very soon now.
Jim that was incredible!!! Sounds dead on!!!!
Thank you!
So pumped for this, glad to see you back at it again Jim!
Thank you!
Absolutely badass! Sounds like the isolated guitar track!
Thank you, Kevin!
Sounds Killer Jim, so clear The harmonics are perfect. And crystal clear.
That's the tone!! 1984 lets go!
Thanks!
I love that scratchy rock and roll. Keep on trucking
Hell yeah, Jim! I was just talking about this song today. Amazing job as always.
Thank you! See, great minds think alike! 😉
Awesome my friend! We so cool to be in that room to hear the rig.
Thanks Tim! Always better with a glass of "rot-gut." 😉
At 2:00 I think Eddie played the E string at the 8th fret too, it gives it that fatter, fuller sound than just going from the 9-10 on the A string. 👍
Can't wait for your 1984 video! You always do a great job man, keep it up!
Finally a sign of life. The wait is over... 😊👍🏻I'm practicing "Panama" for years now. Not even close to your perfection... 😔
Sorry it took so long! There was a lot I had to figure out and reconcile. I’ll be telling the story of how I got here, in the very near future.
Seriously nailed it, Jim. Wow!
Thank you!
Hi Jim. Glad to hear you back. Keep up the good work.
Thanks! This one has been a tough one to figure out.....I'll go through it all in the full length video - soon.
Spot on with this...AS USUAL! keep 'em coming man...hopefully get some of my own up sometime soon!
Thank you! Let me know when you get some videos up!
By far the most difficult tone of Ed's to cop. Theres so much clarity, sustain, brightness, and warmth... It also sounds LOUD! Rumor was his pickup on Franky was broken and acted like a hum bucking single coil. Panama sounds like that guitar was used...
Yep, it's a tough one. It's got a lot of fizz in it, but it's still "spanky" I think the coil story is nonsense - That's what happened with the 5150 guitar - one coil didn't read correctly, but still functioned. That story has been verified by Larry Dimarzio and Jim DeCola (who were tasked with "duplicating" that pickup for the EB MM signature guitar). So, I think that coil story has been somehow applied to the Frankenstein, too....but, I don't think that was the case. I'll go through what I'm using when I finish the full 1984 video.
@@jegauss I thought the coil story originated from whoever documented the guitar at the Fender Custom Shop when they produced those $25k versions of Franky. Either way. REALLY looking forward to this video!
@@jegauss Looking forward to that 1984 video!
I read the Dimarzio article which discussed the damaged coil too. I found that adding a variable (hooked to a 500k pot) and partial (with 2.2k resistor) coil split rolled back to 6 or 7 simulates the broken coil tone pretty well
After much patience the tone master returns
And he’s BACK! Can’t wait for this video!!!
Soon.......
Here we go!!!
Perfect Tone 🎸🤘
Thanks!
I always wondered if Eddie still used the Frankenstein on a few of the tracks from 1984. I know most of it was the Kramer 5150, but Panama sounds a lot more like his old guitar.
Jim you're killin' it. Nice work!
Bloody brilliant!! This rocks!!
Thank you!
There's a big reverb on Panama bridge but I'm not sure it's on the guitar track, maybe only Roth's voice
Yesss!!!! So hyped man, sounds amazing...
Thanks!
Spectacular as always, good sir!
Thank you!
amazing as always
Thank you very much!
Great sound, and another great video !
Thanks Chris!
F'n awesome tone. Is it just me or does the 1984 tone have more mids than the previous albums ?
Thanks Paddy O'! It's not just you....it has a bit more mids in it...I'll explain everything in the full video that's coming.
Sounds like the Tone and you got the Feels there too, man! Right on! Panama! 🤘🎸🔥❤️
Thank you! Much appreciated!
Eddie will always be the goat, and you're very talented too.
The EVH professor is back !
Sounds accurate to me 🎵👍🏻
Cheers Jim 🍷
Thank you!
Jim, how ya doin man? When the 1984 album come out? Thanks
Do I smell the 1984 Brown Sound Quest coming to a computer near me soon? Lol. Hell yeah, this is great. I saw you in the interview with Dave Friedman, so sweet! Also, I am going to look this up after I say this, but I wonder if Dave was Eddie’s Amp tech on tour or for studio or both? Because the things he was explaining he did to Eddie’s amp sound what Eddie sounded like live but not in the studio; the variac being way down and the tubes biased cold. You’re the only one that I know of on TH-cam that has actually used your brain in regards to hearing Eddie say that depending on venue, he would adjust his variac accordingly (in the early days I’m sure). I can almost guarantee he put the variac down to 65-70V and didn’t think about biasing the tubes considering his method of rewiring his pickup to his potentiometer. Even though the cabs were mic’d on stage at large venues, he probably kept it at 90V to be able to hear it on stage at 90V (I know they use ear pieces today but did they use them then? If so, would Eddie have used them?). It gets so much quieter, for a Plexi lol, at 70V and it’s that brown chunky sound. 💩 lol
Can't wait for the full vid Jim!
Should be soon, now. There’s was an awful lot to figure out and test.
Man, I've been looking forward to this! 😆
Just a few more days, I should have the full video up (unless something blows up) 😉
Bring it ON! Thank You. 🙋🏻♂️
Soon.....
You did it again Jim!👍
Thank you Mats!
@@jegauss We talked before. You have really shown there wasn’t any magic stuff with his gear. It was his playing (wich is hard to copy but you do it great) and the post production (eq, echo).
The mythbuster himself is back 🙏🙏
Ha! I love that!
Jim is back!
Yep - finally got it figured out.
Sounds awesome Jim!
Thank you!
@@jegauss I had a feeling you'd cave on doing 84'. Everyone knows your the one for the task. I'm very glad.
We know you’ve been busy doing the 1984 Video …. Your The Man !! Panama Sounds SPOT ON ! What Pickup is your Franky Rockin’ ?
Thank you! I'll explain all about the pickup in the 1984 video - I'm in the process of shooting the spots now, so it won't be long.
have mercy !!!!!!... nailed it !!!! .. VARD !!!
Ha! Thank you!
Awesome as always!
Thank you!
Such a NICE TONE!!!!
Thank you!
1984 is a tough one because he had different tone on almost every song! Panama is a darker brown tone. Check out the video of him on Letterman doing Panama with the band. Dark!
So beautiful jim
Thank you!
bang on tone, as always, Bro. Rock on!
Thank you!
Jim do you know of any good place to get a quality maple neck for a Frankie build that doesn’t cost an arm and a leg
You can find a lot of Mighty Mite necks online. They're very good quality - I think they're still somewhere around $120.00. But, if you're using a Floyd Rose, they may not offer the nut route?? I don't know. Otherwise, look on ebay for a good used one. I did order a $35 from china - it's fine. Nothing wrong with it...I've got it on a regular strat build...hope that helps.
@@jegauss that does help a lot.
I’m kind of a beginner in building guitars so I’m probably not gonna use a Floyd rose and just stick with a vintage fender tremolo. I saw the video where you talked about how the Floyd rose caused a lot of adjustments to be made and since this is one of my first guitar builds, I think I’m gonna take the easier route and get a fender tremolo.
I’m building this frankenstrat from scratch so it’s been a little difficult finding all the parts to get for an accurate, good quality build. I’m finding some Northern Ash bodies on eBay with the right type of routing for about 115$-170$. I also found a Seymour Duncan JB pickup for around $100. Any other tips on good parts for a Frankie build?
He’s back !
Heard you missed me......😉
Sounds good to me. Top notch as usual 👍🏼
Thanks Mark!
Yes, yes and yes.....hyped for the new videos🍻🍻🍻
Thanks! It's coming....very soon.
Great work!
Thanks, Steve!
I've been so eager to see your thoughts on the Franky pickup for this record 😭
Awesome! As always.
Thanks, James!
Great as usual !!
Thank you, Robert!
Fantastic!
Thanks!
Parabéns!! 👏👏 pelo solo!! 🎸
" EDDIE VAN HALEN " ETERNO!!
😢 ❤
THE BEST!! 🎸🎛🔥💪
Assinado um FÃ.
Pedro Magalhães 🇧🇷
God DAMN sir. That is the 1984 tone... so elusive yet there it is. Can't wait for the full-length.
Thank you! Still working on it, because it is "elusive" as hell!😉
Incredible ❤
Thank you!
About time!👍🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Yeah, I know - this one hasn't been easy....
@@jegaussI would assume it’s the most difficult one! Really excited for it!🤗
Where the hell is Jim Gaustad???
Yesterday, I swear I spotted him on the side of a Milk Carton at my local supermarket😳🤔🤷♂️
Sounds spot on. Which pickup is in the frank? An antiquity JB?
Have you ever experimented with the Duncan Custom?
Hey jim can you please tell me What you do for claim that tone? Thank you🎉
I'm not sure I understand the question "claim that tone????" I'm going to layout everything in the upcoming 1984 video...which is coming very soon
Nailed the tone
Thank you!
Awesome, dude!
Thank you!
sammy disses all you tubers but he can't play this like you!!!!great job!!
Nailed it again.
Thank you!
Jim is BACK! ALL IS WELL!
Ha! love it! Thanks!
Which effects did you run for this? EQ, Delay, Reverb? If so which ones?
Everything is done in post - the EQ is minimal - mics are off the cabinet about 2.5" and one mic is close to the dust cap on the "bright" speaker, the other mic is on the (close to) the suspension ring of the "dark" speaker. Those two speakers are mixed together, favoring the brighter speaker in the final mix. The only other effect is an AMS RMX16 Room Simulator, which is the reverb they had at 5150 at the time. Oh, also using an Ampex MM1200 tape simulation on the main buss. Because they either had the 3M M56 machine and/or the Ampex MM1200 at 5150 when they recorded 1984. .
Hey what plugin simulates the ampex? Your work is phenomenal btw@@jegauss
@@flex9637 It's the Kiive Tape Face - setting 1 emulates the Ampex MM1200 . Setting 2 gets you into the Studer A8 emulations (which is what they used at Sunset Sound).
Magnificent
Thank you!
When's the full video coming
This one is giving me fits...I'm still trying to figure a couple of things out, and I've had some other projects I've taken on - but, I'm still working on it.
Hi Jim, I'm jumping the gun, but would appreciate your recommendation for a Diver Down pickup.
I'm not sure yet - I'm leaning more and more to the '78 for almost everything, post VH 1. He always gets some clarity in his tone, so I keep moving further from the higher powered pickups - at least on the first 6 albums.
100% nailed it.
Thank you!
That after solo noodling is so hard to do. You have the same issue i do. I’m thinking Ed rolled the volume up on some parts instead of just using playing dynamics. What do you think? I need to experiment.
ohoh we gonna see that V in action!
Yep!
we want the 1984 vid!!!!
It's coming.....very soon now.
Planning on putting out the diver down video first or 1984 video first?
it's going to be the 1984 video, and then after that I have plans to do a "back test video" that will touch on Diver Down, and go backwards thru the albums to layout the exact changes in the setup - they aren't as different as I (used to), or most think.
@@jegauss That’s great you’re putting out 84 next, the tone on that album is just unreal probably the greatest guitar tone ever recorded along side the guitar tone on fair warning. I have tons of questions concerning the signal path, load box, etc… but I’ll wait for you to reveal the treasure 😂 🤟
*I should probably ask the expert:*
Jim, i'm hoping you have some insight into this, but maybe you're only working with the appropriate amps for this tone. But, if i wanted to get as close as possible to early Brown Sound with a pedal into a Deluxe Reverb... do you have a suggestion? I have the MXR 5150, which beat the La Grange. But, i don't really like the 5150 very much (into that amp/speaker). I recently bought a Wampler Pantheon for other tones, and i love it-seems to be perfect for a Deluxe Reverb. So i thought i'd try the Wampler Pinnacle v2. The other consideration was the Carl Martin Panama. Thoughts? I know the amp/speaker is a compromise. I have a Kemper with good EVH profiles, but i would love something that is 'satisfying' when i'm using the real amp.
nothing with the name EVH is going to get you in the ballpark of roth era tone. it’s simply not designed for it, so i would definitely throw away your 5150 overdrive 😂
the carl martin stuff is highly regarded. it’s definitely a good start. the right speaker will take you very far. it may be heresy to put a greenback into a deluxe reverb, but i think you’ll be happier with some plexi-style distortion (like i said, NOT EVH which is completely different) and the right speaker
@@tanneryordan Right. I was considering a Greenback for the Deluxe, but then i got the Wampler Pantheon, and that made me happy with gainier tones. So i was hoping Brian Wampler kinda has his pedals suited for Fender combos.... I just put the 5150 up for sale and was going to just try the Pinnacle-another 'hail mary.' I was interested in the Panama earlier, but sorta gave up on brown sound pedals for this amp before finding some joy with the Pantheon.
@@CentaurusRelax314 remember that marshalls were based on fenders. make the amp break up a little bit add that plexi-style distortion pedal and you’ll be fine. i noticed pete thorn does that for his distortion pedal reviews and it always sounds better than just straight clean with distortion
Tanner is dead on....that Deluxe is one of my favorite amps. I'd just hit the front end of it with a bit of a boost, dial the voltage way down with a variac (as far as it lets you go, and the amp still operates), and then turn it up all the way. Honestly, that's the key. You may find that you don't even need anything to hit the front-end harder. The other problem with trying to get the VH sound, is that a good part of it is moving air. It requires some volume. It's not crushing volume (with the variac), but it's a level that would blend nicely with a live drummer - so, it's still kinda loud. Trying to get "the tone" at bedroom level is next to impossible. Not to say that you can't get it close, it's just never going to "nail it." That's the battle that we've all been fighting for years. The only way to get there is to turn the amp full up. Hope that helps...good luck!
Hi ! I noticed in the intro you are really good at getting a similar quality to the palm muting as Ed.
I really struggle to get that sound, I found that I need to palm mute but also somewhat keep a light touch to get that sound.
Something else I'm struggling with: do you play the bass note twice or only once ? Depending on what day it is and how I'm hearing it, I either hear 2 bass notes or only 1. I sometimes wonder if there is a misleading thing to it: do you let the bass note ring out and then mute it before playing it again, which creates the illusion of 2 bass notes while it's actually only a lightly palm muted note that you let ring out a bit longer ?
It's really hard to get these bass notes to sound the way Ed does it, and you seem really good at it ! Please give some info about it !
Love it!!!!!
Thank you!
Hey Jim, which speakers did you use here and for the Drop Dead Legs test? They sound pretty killer man. I just started gigging with all the advice and help you’ve given me through your videos throughout the years. Thanks for all your help - I wouldn’t have half the tone I do without you!
Hey Justin! Thank you for watching and thank you for the kind words! So, the speakers used for this one and DDL are in my Mid 70s Marshall 1960A cabinet - G12M - 25w. Blackbacks.
@@jegaussThanks Jim!
What kind of microphone setup did you use to record yourself? This sounds great btw
It's a pair of SM57s into Logic, and that's running some API plug-ins to try to simulate an analog console - you can see variations of it in my brown sound video series.
Amazing! What amp and pedals please??
Thank you! Details will be coming out in my Quest for the Brown Sound - 1984 video. If you've watched my previous Brown Sound videos, you'll get a general idea of what I'm running - but, it's essentially the same thing Ed ran. It's a '68 plexi Marshall (clone), stock, except for the minor anomalies that Ed's '68 had - variac turned down to 68 volts, Marshall 4x12 with 25 watt blackbacks and 60 ft. of guitar cable. No pedals. There is some minor eq-ing that happens in post, and a bit of reverb, compression and Eventide Harmonizer added...that's it.
Never knew so much flub was in the “Panama” tone
Yep - Ed's tone was always flubby - way different than that '80s, Sunset Blvd. tone from all of the "hair metal" guys. Stock Marshall Plexis are very flubby when you turn them up...
Damn that sounds good
Thank you!