Standing ovation 👏🏻 👏🏻Buffy The Vampire Slayer S07E02 'Beneath You''♡Reaction & Review♡
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I've always absolutely loved the decision to have Spike, in his few hours of lucidity, purposely hiding the fact that he got his soul. To me, that's a testament to his sincerity and remorse. Because Spike knows exactly how absolutely mind-blowingly huge of a gesture that is, he knows that it could potentially be a get-out-of-jail-free card, he saw Buffy and Angel back together in s3 after everything that happened. And now that he has it... he doesn't want that. He doesn't want to hide from the consequences of what he did, he doesn't think he deserves that. He just wants to be better, to keep Buffy safe and make sure no demons get their One Good Day.
It speaks volumes to me that he essentially gave himself a permanent torture device so that he wouldn't be dangerous around Buffy anymore.... and was just going to keep it a secret because he doesn't want that forgiveness. Extremely powerful.
The way he delivers the line "to be a kind of man" gets to me every time. The tone of voice, the brokenness and pathos in it ... 💔
And just before that. “To be the kind of man that would never…” and then he chokes.
his eyes too!
I really like that you compared Spike's monologue to Shakespeare. That would really make him happy if he was real because he wanted to be a poet!
We band of buggered...
AMEN TO THIS…
I love how Sophie really appreciates that last scene. She really watches it and gets it.
James really gets some fantastic monologues in Buffy, but this one blows me away every time. He and Sarah really elevate this scene to a new level.
AMEN..
James is the best actor in this show. Hands down. He doesn't do tv performance. He does theater.
Yes, the scene is impressive and magnificent. Yes, it's in the last season but better now than never I guess:)
Not sure I’d say he is the best actor but he is for sure in the top 3 with Sarah and Tony. The 3 of them definitely blow everybody else out of the water.
@@tak1984 Tony is good but I don't see lot of moments from him where he really needs to give his best. Lot of his scenes are ordinary. While they give James plenty of difficult scenes where actor not as good as him will fail tremendously. And he is not playing, he is living in it.
But in my opinion Tony is better than Sarah. Sarah is more like a tv actress to me. To say that will be blasphemy since she is the main person there and people love her. And you should apologize a thousand times for that. But that's how I feel. And as it's also a tv show so she is just doing her job mostly. But I like to encourage extraordinary things.
Anthony and James are the best
James, Sarah, & Alyson.
@@jp3813 James and Anthony are superiors. Sarah was good sometimes and Alyson...it depends
I love the last scene of this episode. It's so powerful.
It's definitely tied as part of my top 4 Spike scenes! His monologue on the subway in Lessons, this monologue, his scene wwith Robin when he takes his coat back again, and his final scene with the medallion are all tied for #1!
James should have earned an Emmy nomination at least for that scene.
The amount of physical pain a cross causes vampires and the fact that there is no hitch in Spike's voice as he embraces such a large cross just proves to me how much emotional pain he is in.
Thank you SoFie for your reactions.
On Angel, Spike uses a huge cross to beat Angel with it, and the whole time he is doing that, it barely bothered him. My guess is because of him actually laying across on it in this scene in front of Buffy, accepting that pain from it gave him the pain tolerance where just simply holding one in his hands would be nothing for him.
Spikes monologue at the end is just epic! What a performance from the writing to the shooting to the acting.
This is by far one of the best episodes of the whole show. All hail James' performance.
Spikes monologue is great because it emphasizes that he went to get his soul because of shame.
Let that sink in: A vampire was so ashamed of his actions that he went through hell to get his soul back, just so that he would never be tempted to hurt people again.
Not people Her.
He didn’t wanna Hurt Buffy again
I did let that sink it...and it's the umpteenth reason why I consider Souless Spike a walking plot hole...seriously,I am _amazed_ at how much people pick *the exact same things* that make me HATE Spike as a character and treat them as reasons to LOVE him more and more!🤦♂
@Nicamon it's ok to like a show for different reasons. This subplot can be a deal-breaker for you and a beautiful thing for me at the same time. This is why this show is so great.
@@eduardofilippi7698 This show *is* overall great,we agree on that.🤝And it's also true that you can like the same thing for different reasons.
My all time favorite scene ever. Spike's monologue...😢❤ a masterpiece.
On equal par with Spike and Angel’s dialogue when the fight over the alleged “Cup of Perpetual Torment.”
In the original script they had Spike just telling Buffy he got his soul back. But they played it out that way, and it was lacking. So they rewrote it this way with him talking about the spark, and Angel, and Buffy piecing it together. So much more powerful. Just brilliantly done by both James and SMG. It really is very Shakespearian.
It makes a lot more sense considering he was a love struck poet. Never got the girl, never got to live his dream as a poet, turned into a monster to live up to drusilas expectations and even then he had bits of his humanity that still never faded. Then meeting buddy and as much as could be present still was left even without a soul. People argue it was just lust but we know that’s not true. He had too many chances to kill her or turn her and didn’t. He put her first without an agenda several times even after she died. That’s how strong I feel his humanity and soul always was that after everything he was still him at his core. Realistically not much changed except his immediate pain and regret which he had before his soul was back but it was focused on Buffy specifically. In contrast to Angel who never had these little cracks without his soul nor did we really see him go through the damaged phase like spike nor did we really see when he got his soul back before meeting Buffy. Which speaks alot about the characters and their innate chemistry. If Angel didn’t have a soul when he met buffy he’d have been dust. Meeting evil soulless spike after everything and buffy still developed and fell for him. Says alot
James is theatre trained and thats why his monologue is so great.
I agree with Sofie the scene at the end with Spike is one of the best from the show. People talk of favourite episodes, but I think favourite scenes are more important. We had in Prophecy Girl Buffy saying 'Im 16 years old I dont want to die'. And Passion we had the scene with Angelus looking through the window at Buffy and Willow crying after hearing Jenny was killed enjoying their pain. In Enemies we had Angel pretending to be Angelus where he and Buffy fooled Faith. S5 just contains so many brilliant scenes but stand out are Fool For Love when Buffy says to Spike 'you're beneath me', and when Buffy says 'mommy' in the Body. We also had the amazing shock reveal that 'Death is Your Gift' which was of course Buffy's death in The Gift. Spike's monologue at the end here is a stunning scene James Marsters absolutely nails it, brilliant acting.
I LOVED when Angel fakes Angelus..
The BEST Buffy reactor on this platform. I've never seen anyone else dive so deep into what they're saying and actually read the writing on the wall. I watch this video at least once a week now. Impeccable.
Out of all the scenes from The Body, Hush, OMWF, and all the other individual performances by the entire cast. This has to be my favourite scene in the show.
That last scene is my favorite scene in the Buffyverse, ever ever ever. So beautiful and multilayered and James delivers it so beautifully, achingly, powerfully naked.
I just love this moment between him and Buffy at the end of the episode.
I really was looking forward to see your reaction on this and I must say, I'm not disappointed.
From now on, you'll finally be able to enjoy Spuffy without feeling guilty 😉
14:00 girl I love that you take your time and try to understand. This episode was so imperative to Spike’s arc. It meant so much and the ending scene was so moving. I must have watched it a dozen times. Your reaction to this final scene made me so happy. It’s exactly how I felt. It feels so good to share that with someone. The only other person I’ve shared Buffy with was my husband. And he loved it, don’t get me wrong. But he didn’t feel the Spike arc like I did. He didn’t feel this episode.
The church scene is phenomenal 🙌 👏🏻 " to be the kind of man who would nev..."
James Marsters finest moment in this show.... bar none! 👍
James Masters' performance is incredible in this scene. And Spike also did something incredible, realizing, being a demon, that he had done something unforgivable, and he did a kind of "suicide" since he killed and locked up the demon that it was to bring William back to life and avoid harming the one he loved but didn't know. how to love her And to say that he knows that she used him specifically because he had no soul and that he was just a body for her, to satisfy herself, is very sad. In turn, now, as William, he must grieve for everything Spike did, but he also asks to be loved, since like Spike, Buffy never loved him and her excuse was always that he had no soul. Also let's not forget that like William he becomes a vampire because he is heartbroken by Cecil who told him that he was inferior to her. Then Drucilla arrived but in the end she is unfaithful to him, and she leaves him, with Harmony he never loved her and with Buffy she also used him. So now you ask "can I be loved now?" It's moving.
Spike's monologue at the end is the standout -- but I also love his performance when he's losing it around everybody. The little carnival-barker "bring the wife and kiddes, come see the show!" is so out of place in a fun way.
Also the title "beneath you" has a special meaning for Spike from past episodes... hmm.
"Also the title "beneath you" has a special meaning for Spike from past episodes"
Yes, Fool For Love. Pretty sure someone noticed it and talked about it, in a podcast or something, but I haven't come across a reactor yet who noticed that the episode title is exactly what Cecily as well as Buffy said to him: that he is beneath them. It's also in the monologue...'the thing beneath...beneath you. It's here too.'
James Masters put's on a helluva performance for, Joss Whedon actually took over the filming of this scene to get it right.
There's a line from a movie "As Good as it Gets" where the guy with OCD and other issues tells the girl why he has started taking his meds more religiously: "You make me want to be a better man."
That's the effect Buffy had on Spike. His association with her, even as a soulless vampire, inspired him to want to be better. He still had quite a bit to go when they "parted company" in "Seeing Red", but that was the motivation since sometime in Season 5, if not earlier. Buffy made Spike want to be a better man.
Hi Sofie! Great reaction!
Sometimes it's easy to forget when Spike was human he was a poet, an artist, a dreamer. He was in love and he was rejected. Then he became a vampire the same night I think? And he fell in love with Dru. He spent nearly all of his vampire life up until meeting Buffy, in love with Dru. He started to fall in love with Buffy before he had his soul back. When he had the chip, he was unable to react to his vampire urges and hurt people like he used to. He regained some of his humanity and empathy. When he started his "relationship" with Buffy, she admitted she was using him for sex. For a distraction. To hurt herself.
The bathroom scene was horrific. Spike's realisation when he understands what he was about to do hits him so hard he leaves Sunnydale with the intention of only returning when he is a man who would never do that to Buffy or any woman ever again. William was a good man. When Spike got his soul back, every terrible thing he had ever done came back to haunt him and torment him. He feels genuine remorse, shame and guilt for what he has done during his vampire life.
The speech at the end of the episode is indeed beautiful, powerful and sad. James Masters is a phenomenal actor.
Yes!
Spike has one of the best redemption arcs ever!..
yeah the ending scene is one of my top buffyverse moments.
At one point I had that monologue at the end memorized. I watched it on repeat until I could even do the mannerisms and inflections by heart.
This monologue tends to win people back liking Spike he also has a really good one with Buffy at the end of the season
That last scene is one of my favorite in the series, just the sheer performance of it. The themes are also interesting, and it has a lot to say about who Spike is.
I love that scene at the end so much. But i really wish we the audience didn't already know about him getting his soul back. Like imagine how much harder this would have hit had we found out when Buffy did, and only saw the trials on flashbacks.
Spike 😭💔❤️ And your reaction is just great 👏🏻👍🏻
Last scene written and directed by Joss, amazing stuff.
yes, WOW. I have many moments of Buffy that are important, personal, moving etc.. but I think usually this is my favorite, this scene with James in the church. Yes, give him an Emmy. AMAZING!!~~!!~
I remember watching this when it first came out. I did not understand the weight of this scene. It’s some damn fine writing and acting
Hello Sofie, I saw the show when it came out. Seeing the show through your eyes the past years made me realize I never really did. The depth of understanding you bring to these reactions is unparallelled by any reactor (and I watched a lot of them). How you find the connections between episodes in a single line... I experienced a total new show because of you. Standing ovation to you!
Spike uses "spark" as a metaphor for his soul then babbles about being in a "soddin' engine" when in fact they are in a chapel (which if you think about it engines create sparks and a chapel is a place where people with souls go to worship, or once did considering it looks old and unused... which come to think of it, kind of describes his own soul so I guess it's fitting)
Uhg. That end scene. When you realize that Spike, William The Bloody, the vampire that we've known since his introduction, essentially committed suicide. He sought out his soul. So horrified by what he did that not even the demon inside him could live with it.
Hmm..no, the demon part of him didn’t have any thing to do with it..Spike, or William had always retained part of his humanity despite how hard he tried to be “the big bad.” Even the demon the Judge recognized it.
Spike in this episode shows how men are inside. Most shows portray men as either good or bad or smart or dumb, but never internally conflicted, not knowing who they are, what people want, how to act.
In the Bronze, Spike deflected, made Buffy mad, triggered her on purpose, and made us all jump, thinking big bad was back. Not sure about that really, or why it seemed really off. Everything about Spike is off, he is being pulled in different directions inside and out.
One thing about Spike and Buffy we know but forget -- violence is therapy for both of them. Their violent sexual relationship ended violently, because they weren't "working it out" really. Fighting is their working it out. Fucking was a violent way to avoid their feelings, a way to externalize it without real commitment. That "fight" in the bronze was just a welcome home tussle, I think they both knew it.
BTW Anyaka wailed on Spike, sent him flying. The stunts and the monsters, even the makeup are a cut above.
The scene in the church was maybe the best scene in the series so far, besides the livingroom scene in The Body, which should have won all the TV awards there were.
When spike drapes himself on the Cross it reminded me of the time Angel revealed himself by burning his hand on her cross necklace.
The "serious moonlight" blue and black of that scene is the best dramatic lighting, making Spikes skin white, and increasing the intimacy by a lot. Buffy and Spike always end up in the dark, together. That is what Spike said to her on the Balcony, and it was true then and its true now.
Spike challenging her for what she expects from him, what she needs from him, as a man, as a brother in arms, as an intimate partner, all of it, was deep and meaningful, in the context of both their external battles and their internal ones. His betrayals, once unforgivable, his murders, his getting too close, it is all messed up in a ball of violence and need, and his redemption is her redemption too, somehow. She kind of knows she is the one, the chosen one, and that she has to save certain people, while letting others go down. Spike she can't reconcile which he is.
So she is overwhelmed, as are we.
A lot of people don't really like this season, as it kind of does a retread, introduces a bunch of new characters, and yeah is very cryptic and confusing (for a 2002 weekly show on UPN, the network that died in 2006). But for fans Season 7 "rhymes" with all the other seasons in a very heartwarming way, but with more edgy plotlines, (A lot more horror and gore!) and much better production. While Angel carried on with more adult themes, Buffy Season 7 lightened up, and had some evil fun with it.
Buffy has some hard time comin' tho. Believe that!
I'm so looking forward to this season. I've loved it since its first airing and am curious to see how Sophie enjoys it. Hope she does, it's great. Have a good week, everybody.
Fantastic performance by James. The script for this scene was very different originally and the whole script is avaliable online to read but I prefer this version cuz it's very poetic which matches who William is (spike)
It is amazing - unlike Angel, Spike didn't have this thrust upon him - he sought it out, because he wants redemption - because he loves Buffy, and hates himself for what he did. He never knew the price, though - that all his evil deeds - for over 100 years - now are hitting him.
Emma Caulfield's comic timing does not get enough respect. Yes, Anya is written to be funny, but a lesser actress would make it a 'zany' sidekick type of role.
one of spikes BEST performances ever
Sofie this is ONE OF THE or probably the biggest reaction I was waiting for when YOU YOU STARTED THE SHOW!
And you're epiphanies, and breakdown and the HEARTBREAK which almost no one feels but become rather awed by the performance you NAILED it. And the reason why? Your startling compartmentalization of understanding that yes Spike committed a cardinal sin of rape but the writing and acting was nuanced enough to reach your social intelligence that a man can be worthy of contrition from an act such as that all beautifully and poetically performed by James here.
Also I'm stunned how you picked up so quickly what was happening to Spike. Bravo. One of the most smartest and astute reactors on youtube. This was so worth the wait. Thank you for this.
Something that alot of people overlooked - especially when it originally aired is Spike became a good person _before_ he got his soul back.
_The_ second Angel lost his soul he sucked a girl dry and blew out her cigarett's smoke with a smile.
Yes of course Spiked fucked up but he never, *NEVER* ever wanted to slowly break Buffy to death with cruelty. you know, like Angel did.
For me there was never any doubt who the better person/vampire ensouled or soulless was.
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It was Spike - I'm talking about Spike.
And all that 'to evil' or 'not to evil' stuff aside: Spike was funny and had a personality
Been watching this show for over 15 years, think I pretty much understand it all. Then I watch Sofie and learn 2 new things. ..how the title relates back to Fool For Love ('you're beneath me') and him having a cross to bear. The brilliance of this scene grows stronger every time I see. it.
Give sarah an oscar for her facial acting when he said angel shouldnof warned.
One of the most powerful moments in the series!
Did you know that Joss Whedon rewrote the end of script for this episode. That’s why it was so bloody good and James Marsters was brilliant.
I almost never cry for shows or movies, I'm just fairly unbreakable, and while I'm not sure it's happened more than three times for Buffy, the three times I'm sure I did cry were for Becoming, Part II, The Body, and Beneath You. It's one of my favorite scenes in the entire show.
Buffy is the greatest show of all time.
12:50 This is one of the greatest scenes in the entire series. Marsters really knocks it out of the park this episode. I've watched it a bunch of times and still...😭
May seem weird but I applaud your reaction as much as this episode. You're awesome.
There is this difference that i just can’t not love is that Angel loved buffy only when he had his soul, but for Spike, Buffy was the reason for all his decisions with or without a soul. He still had his ‘humanly’ side even though he was a soulless vampire just like Angulus. That’s why i can’t wait for you to react 7x20. Nothing much just my all time favourite scene between them.
I don't know what happened in 7x20, but I choose to believe Angelus also had strong feelings about Buffy, he just couldn't deal with them.
James Marsters nails it in this one.
Teary-eyed, every damn time.
This season has things i like less about the main plot but a lot of great and deep scenes. And the music is so beautiful
Yeah spike is just the best.
I have a lot of issues with this season, but it has some very good scenes. The last scene of this episode is one of them.
"i can't believe this is in the last season"
well, _buffy_ was never cancelled. the show ended because sarah michelle gellar announced she was quitting.
It's kinda amazing that everyone goes from "that was so beyond horrible, I can NEVER forgive him" to "I forgive him" in the course of 5 episodes.
Good show.
I mean….. if people can forgive Angel for everything he did and go on to watch a show all about him it’s all possible. They killed the gay girl and people kept watching. This show was great
@@vikkidonnAngel and Angelus were separate entities. Angel chooses to repent. Spike shrugged off his soulless actions.
Not everyone.
@@DanY-gx2dv Angel = Liam + Angelus. They are not separate entities. Angelus has always been present since Liam died. Just as Spike has always been present since William
died. Angel chooses to repent. In the scene that most of the comments are referring to Spike is repenting. He has been repenting since he got his soul back. This is hardly him
shrugging off his soulless actions.
The difference between Angel's situation & Spike's is important. Angel didn't have anyone to support him. Spike does. Angel ended up becoming nothing because he was
wallowing in self pity. Spike has chosen to fight the darkness & protect the people he cares about most instead of being useless. Is he avoiding the self reflection he needs to do? Yes, but he doesn't currently have the luxury of time to wallow. Spike needs to get his sh1t together so that he's not just a crazy guy in a basement.
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@@becca1189 also spike CHOSE to get his soul back while angelus had his forced onto him as a punishment. Spike got his soul on his own as part of his atonement and self imposed journey to betterment. Angelus never wanted his soul back and enjoyed his own evil. Even when Angel came back from hell and had a soul still it wasn’t by choice at all. So even to compare them in terms like “shrugged off” is wildly inaccurate.
Your reaction to this monologue did not disappoint, it's one of my favorite scenes in TV. The layers to it, I love that you paused and went back to really get everything because he's talking in such broken sentences. I also have so many feelings about Spike looking up and asking God, basically praying (i have a lot of feelings about demons, which is what vamps are in Buffy, praying. there's just something to it). It's incredible. There's so many other favorite scenes in this show that I can't wait to see your reaction to, it's an incredible final season. ♥
One of the absolute best and most underrated scenes in the show. Also hits home how Buffy feels about Spike. She does see him as an object and not a person. She doesn't love him. She was using him. He did this for her and to not be that kind of person but it morphed into something bigger than he expected. That whole part of "can we rest now" is in reference to dying. He is talking to God at that point. He's tired and he just wants peace and to sleep. He just wants to "rest". But his touching of the cross and it burning signifies that he'll never get it. He doesn't have forgiveness. He can't rest. The R scene in the last season wasn't about ruining a character. It was revealing who he was... what he was. It was to remind the audience who/what he was. And until the they know and accept that and remembers that... his path towards atonement in this season wouldn't mean as much. That's who he was. And this is who he is now. People need to realize what he was to appreciate how he's changed.
Love love love this scene and your reactions!
The show never won an Emmy award for acting. Got 2 for makeup and music competition. They got Saturn awards for acting and that's great the sci-fi community recognizes them. If Sarah Michelle Geller never was even nominated for The Body the Emmys would never consider this show at all. The snobs there don't like anything that isn't well defined as a drama or comedy. Buffy was just too ahead of its time.
The best scene in the entire show James masters nailed it
That is my favorite scene in the series. Great job from everyone involved.
thank you so much for these buffy reactions! i really enjoy your authentic videos. i like your thoughts and the way you analyse the story, the characters and their relationships. they way you emphasize with them or call out their bad behavior and still see their good sites is awesome. can't hardly wait for the next episodes :) i hope you have nice holidays.
Xander dodged a bullet. Nancy didn't shed a tear about her dog getting killed. Meanwhile, that final scene with Sarah and James was fantastic. Acting at its purest. She had to show us Buffy's emotions so much with so few lines. He had that beautiful monologue. You can tell he has experience in stage acting.
Nancy just ran away😂😂😂
Honestly, that final scene is so good, you kind of forget the fact the rest of the episode is fairly meh.
There's one reactor who will love it, though
When he says « Am I flesh to you » I think it’s also his way of asking am I just a body as in a sex toy to you and nothing else? Don’t you see the person there? It’s about how she used him physically and that’s why he continues with resignation with the « alright flesh then, get it hard service the girl » because so far that’s what she’s asked of him, just sex when she wanted it and no emotions or any other kind of connection. He’s just following the old pattern.
I can't. Not with you looking... "I dreamed of killing you... I think they were dreams... So weak. And you make me weak. Thinking of you, holding myself, and spilling useless buckets of salt (crying) over your... ending..." That there he was talking about when she died to save Dawn and he felt it was his fault because he wasn't able to protect Dawn like he promised. Because of that, it resulted in her dying for Dawn to shut the portal, so he blamed himself w/ regrets.
A lot of people argue that Spike never intended to get his soul back and was really trying to get the chip out but that last scene proves he was after his soul the whole time. "To be the kind of man who would nev-".
Oh man, I wait for this reaction since you posted your first reaction...
And totaly worth it...
Amazing...
Thanks...
Congratulations for your channel and saluts from Brazil...
You are amazing ❤❤❤ I love watching you do buffy tvd the originals I hope you have a epic and blessed merry Christmas sweetheart ❤❤❤100
At the time, critics didn't like the end scene and said he was "scenery chewing" but Spike was a poet in life and that's why he uses synonyms and alternate words etc.
So as I'm sure you realize, there are 2 camps: the camp that will not forgive Spike for the events of Seeing Red and those that think that this episode redeems him. It usually is very much intertwined with who you want Buffy to date/end-up-with. I fall weirdly in that I do believe that this redeems Spike, but I was never much into "Spuffy," partially cause I always adored Dru and loved them together!
There's much more than 2 camps, but this episode was fire.
Intertwined indeed. Bangel shippers kinda need seeing red cause Angelus was as bad as it gets.
Spike's "crazy" ramblings here make a lot more sense on second viewing.
Can't say I've ever been a fan of the whole Spike redemption business but there's no denying that he's a different person than he was in Seeing Red.
I feel he's more similar now to how he was in Seeing Red, than either to how he was before.
That last scene always makes me cry too
Omg! I need more of this!❤
Xander is 100% correct in this one. Anya has to stop blaming him for her actions. Did he hurt her. Yes. But she took that hurt and became a demon, and not only a random demon but a Vengence Demon. They have one purpose. This worm guy could have killed people. We also haven't seen what else she has done since becoming a V demon again. She says that D'Hoffryn isnt happy with her work but she still turned a human into a big demon monster who would kill anyone, and his first target is her 'client'. One of the first things she did after becoming a demon was wish pain and death for Xander, literal death and brutal injury, but couldn't because she couldn't perform her own wishes.
This is completely true. Anya is right that Xander is at fault for hurting her, but just because she's in pain doesn't give her the right to take it out tenfold, a hundredfold even, on everyone else.
Yeah, relationships end badly all the time, doesn't mean you have to become a magical serial killer.
@@pajanderyes, She just wants a scapegoat for the damage she's doing
Most of this episode is well made and entertaining, but very average by Buffy standards...and then that last scene suddenly smashes you in the face with some of the best writing and acting in TV history. Fantastic!
We all were upset that these scenes came in the last season.
My thought about Spike's monologue is it would make no sense to anyone that just started watching this season. So few TV series have so much multi-season character development.
For a very long time TV awards were rarely given to to shows are not mainstream like normal comedies or dramas. Academy Awards pretty much snubbed Sci-Fi and Fantasy films until Star Wars.
Well, Angels Five by Five ending is the best of all time of anything, but this here is a keystone to Spikes personal arc and is really amazingly built. The fact that he fought for his soul literally and that it is kind a 'measurable' leads to some interesting questions, if and how a human who has done horrible things can change and go on as a different person in all the point of views of himself, the persons who has suffered and regular people and how this changes could be indicated.
There is Xander/Spike fanfic, you know. There might have been by the time this episode was written. The final scene of *this* episode, also what we were waiting for. They kept bringing Spike back because he was so popular, at least they finally did something good with it... odd how the monster is whining, now the soul is back, though.
Wow is right.
For all those who whinged and complained about THAT scene from 6 x 19.....this last scene here is the pay off
It’s an incredible scene, but that doesn’t invalidate people’s feelings and thoughts about 6x19. It’s fine for you to like 6x19, but don’t say other people are “whinging” about something so serious please.
@witchy.business It is serious, because touching sexually without consent is SA. So why doesn't anyone acknowledge that Buffy SA'd Spike when she was invisible? He clearly told her no, but she ignored him and kept on. So it doesn't count because he didn't cry and struggle and she didn't hold him down? What about women who say no but then don't fight, are they not victims of SA? Or do we have a double standard because he's a guy?
@@Kayjee17my comment never implied that any of that isn’t serious too
Because saying no playfully isn't a safeword in their relationship. And because he's a fully capable vampire able to shove her off if he truly didn't want something. Which he did. And she left, respecting his boundaries.
Xander still with the low key sexist shit trying to "protect" Buffy when she can more than take care of herself. Whereas Dawn knows this and just wants revenge.
We have a similar start here to E1 this time in Frankfurt with another young woman being chased by the mysterious shrouded men, who we have seen before back in S3. 'From Beneath You It Devours' a phrase I think we will here again, Spike turns up again in Blue this time, maybe a subliminal message to show his soul has been restored with the change of colour. The strange ground being shook by some creature leads us on to another story. Xander obviously is attracted to Nancy who lost her dog. Dawn facing up to Spike is an interesting conversation. Interesting that Buffy says the word 'Champion' to Spike prophetic words again. When we eventually see the underground monster ( obviously a homage to the film Tremors ). We see Anya yet again reverting to her Demon days causing all this. Very funny scene when Nancy says 'is there anyone here that hasn't slept together'. When Anya senses Spike's soul has been restored all mayhem breaks loose in and old style bar room brawl. Spike says to Buffy 'up for another round on the balcony', Anya says all this started when you left me at the altar, but Xander points out she can't keep using this excuse forever. When Spike does catch the creature he goes to kill him, but he turns back human so Spike get the neural pain again. Great acting form James Marsters having some kind of mental episode, but he can sense What is to come, and repeats 'from beneath you it devours'. We can see Spike is having a serious mental breakdown here, the restoration of his soul is now causing him the type of pain and mental anguish Angel had to go through. The final scene where Spike is draped across the crucifix is brilliantly done as he is burning and Buffy looks on. Such incredible groundwork being laid here for S7, and of course linking back to all strands of previous Seasons. This is why this is such a brilliant show.
He's 'normal' in this episode because he's being controlled. It's why the chip shocked him out of it when he stabbed the worm guy. He's being controlled by what he sees when he seems to be talking to himself. The end of the episode is definitely one of my favorite Spike moments!
I like how Nancy is a discount Anya
I noticed that in this reaction, too!
Also i feel him laying on the cross is him asking god for forgiveness and letting it burn him is him trying to atone for his sins
Your reaction amazing❤❤❤❤❤
After you see the ending of the series, you MUST rewatch the last season again. As good as you are, we always miss something. You will say 🎵"Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!"🎶 many times.
I want her to rewatch, but not the last season, just some key episodes, including s1,s2, all the way through
The triple entendre of Spike’s poetic speech in ‘Beneath You’ is something else. Holy fucking hell!
Depending on which angle you’re coming at it from, so much meaning and truth can be found in it.
It’s effectively saying 3 significant things all at once and all meanings combined together tell you just how messed up and tortured that man’s mind is and how much shame he feels for even thinking that way. For remembering that he once thought and felt that way and was fine. That he used to take pleasure in it. It shows you how much consciousness development he has gone through since gaining and restoring his soul.
Although I think the whole “no soul = evil” rhetoric is bullshit, I just think the change in Spike now that he has a soul is significant and definitely is an evolution - albeit a forced one because Whedon is a bitter bitch. For me, it helps to know that this is what he wanted even when soulless and actively made sure happened. Which for me, proves he didn’t actually need it and could have evolved into this better and good person regardless eventually because character evolution is on-going and doesn’t really have an ending point but I rest my case. I still like that they went this way with him because I knew Buffy wouldn’t accept it otherwise and nor should she have to after THAT.
There’s very few character scenes or interactions in Season 7 that I consider strong and substantial but this is definitely one of them. The framing of it, the direction, the lighting, the theme… my god it’s stellar! I could write a 1000 word page essay on it and still only be scratching the surface of its impact for me.
Same about the soul. He's so confused himself about the soul, it's such a new thing. The soul seems to be mostly the guilt eating at him. But I think Spike had great moral intuition working with what he had, better even than William's maybe(we don't get enough screen time to tell), but the current Spike doesn't get that.
Beautiful ✨👏👏
Xander's always been a little bi-curious. And Spike and Angel have hooked up at least once. So it's not out of the realm of possibility to assume they've both at least thought about it for a second... late at night. 😅