Was Pretty excited about getting my hands on this Leatherman! MagnaCut Blade and true one handed operation along with the bit driver! almost the perfect tool. Only thing I would change is replace the scissors with a serrated edge blade, but overall I think this is probably the new KING in the multitool world!!
I just cancelled my order from REI after learning the hard cutter issue, I will wait for the issue to be rectified and then order. Victorinox MX clip is my trusted and favourite MT as of now with these advantages - chisel/package opener, better rust resistance, better can opener, ergonomic handle, uncoated knife, cheaper, more robust build, no big hole on the file, more variety of wire stripper, shinny finish. Hopefully the hard cutter issue can rectify fast and I can have another excellent MT. And if leather can add measuring cm and inch scale on the edge:)
Agreed. LM should know better on the hard wire cutters, not sure if it’s a bad heat treat or what but it should be an easy fix once they get it figured out
Those tools are built a little looser to facilitate “one handed operation” Not sure if the wave is stronger but it feels tighter. I don’t think any reasonable person would use a multi tool like this and feel like it was within reasonable use
I'm really wanting a Surge, but it doesn't seem realistic for EDC, more of a "keep in the vehicle" tool. That led me to the charge, but if I spent more money on this I could do away with a dedicated knife which means less to carry and that's good for what I want out of EDC.
The additional pocket clip holes don't help us lefties at all. They would need to be on the opposite side of the same arm in order to clip into the corner of the pocket. That's not really a big deal, though. The big issue for lefties is needing to use our middle finger to open the knife one handed instead of our thumb. They will never make a true lefty tool, but maybe one day, the positions of the large tools can be swapped without needing to modify the tool and voiding the warranty. But I'm not holding my breath. We're an adaptable ~10% of the population, so we'll be alright.
You got that right - we are adaptable and I have been somewhat ambidextrous since childhood. I believe it's because they made us use those shity, thick handled, rubber-coated scissors in grade school. What the actual f***? Why would lefties need big thick rubber coated scissor handles? We're left-handed, we're not left-handed Fiddler crabs! (Or whatever type of crab it is that has one giant claw and one not so big one.)
Check out the timestamp 13:21, where you can see that one pliers jaw is thicker than the other. I just checked out my ARC and I have the same problem, but perhaps not as bad as this guy's pliers. I consider this to be a MUCH bigger deal than the replaceable wire cutters, because other videos have shown that if you simply cut the wire more forward from The Gap at the very rear of the pliers, they cut normally and do not Bend or break. And anyway, the wire cutters are replaceable and I've heard that Leatherman is sending out free replacements, whereas the Jaws are basically the main part of the tool and are not replaceable, except under the warranty. And from what I've learned dealing with Leatherman's customer service on other issues, I find their customer service department to be overworked, under-resourced and unwilling to do enough to make things right for the customer. I'm a first-time Leatherman owner but I've been using tools for 50 plus years. By the way, Victorinox is Swiss Army knives don't come with defects. Full stop.
Every main outlet is reporting the ARCs wire cutters breaking and shattering for this price point they really skimmed quality on the most used part of it
I saw that, I didn’t try to cut any hard wire but the cutters are replaceable if I run into issues. The main tools I’ll be using are the knife, bit driver. And needle nose tips.
This is not a problem with the wire cutters specific to the ARC. Somewhat recently Leatherman must have changed manufacturer for the replaceable wire cutters. All newly manufactured Leatherman with replaceable wire cutters have this issue. I have a Charge + Ti that I got over the summer and it has the same issue. People are just noticing it now as they test out the new ARC's.
@@googleuser6635 Lets see how they respond before we judge, this is a recently discovered Issue. Leatherman has a 25 year warrantee I'm sure they'll correct the minor design flaw, and replace any cutters that are affected.
A difficult choice between the Leatherman Wave and the Leatherman Arc. The Arc is easier to open and access the tools. The best add on is a sight adjuster bit extender. This has a magnetic bit holder that works absolutely fine with standard 1/4” hex bits and the Leatherman bits. The Arc blade is less aggressive looking compared to the Wave, so a bit more friendly when used in public. The Arc is worth the extra expense in my opinion, but the Wave is a good second option that won’t let you down.
🛒Leatherman ARC: www.leatherman.com/arc-833074.html 📷Filming Gear📷: A full list of the gear I use to make my videos! amzn.to/3rY2dT8 ✅✔✅ Check out our website!! www.GearsNTools.com.com Chapters 00:00 Welcome to GearsNTools 00:46 In the box 02:22 Size & Weight 03:02 One Handed Operations 03:40 Exterior Features 04:40 Knife Blade & Main Tools 08:24 Secondary Tools 12:34 Pliers 13:55 Fit and Finish 14:40 Pros & Cons 17:00 Takeaways
STAY AWAY from Leatherman. I paid them $240 for an Arc and paid extra to engrave my name on it, only to get the item and it looks like the engraving was done by a 3 year old. When I called them, they were snooty and only offered the $12 engraving fee back. The item is horrible looking with the engraving, as is their customer service.
Arc's garbage. Mine came with a crazy dull blade, Ozark Trail like frame/plier flex, and my wire cutters broke while cutting baling wire. Thing's a $230 paper weight
I agree, all tools of this size will have some frame flex if you reap on them hard enough. I did a torture test on the bit driver on the wave and was able to break the bit driver far before the frame broke. Also I had to use a torque wench, I was unable to break either the frame, or bit driver by hand. we need to keep the intended use case of a tool in mind when we evaluate these things, everything will break if you try hard enough. The questions is it acceptable for the size/ weight/ job you are asking it to fill? @@scottstoolthoughts3190
This was a sub-par review. Basically everything you said was incorrect. Leatherman's Arc demonstrated a LACK OF attention to detail, and a LACK OF quality control. Virtually every item on the Arc illustrates those 2 features, from the smooth frame, to the useless profile of the dull magnacut blade. Every visible part of the Arc is sub-par. Your failure to note these things is alarming, but speaks volumes for the uselessness of your reviews. Every minute watching your review was a wasted minute of time. The ONLY things you got remitely right were that the Arc should have had a serrated blade, the slot in the file is a detriment, that Leatherman's flat bits cross models, and that the magnacut blade should not be used for some things.
Sorry you don’t like the review, I always give my honest opinion which is why all my reviews point out the pros & cons of any product. Keep in mind physically holding & using a product will always form different opinion than just seeing pictures. I like the blade shape and form factor I’ll be keeping this tool
Jeez this is unnecessarily harsh. And it sounds like you've already thoroughly made up your mind about the tool, so I'm not even sure why you're watching reviews anyway if you know everything. There's constructive criticism, and then there are comments that say more about the writer than this creator.
@@Digimorphosis I won't pretend that his review was OK, when it clearly wasn't. Should I treat him like a special needs child, lie, and say he did a great job? No. I'm going to give it to him straight. Hopefully, he will do more thorough reviews in the future. I actually took my time to explain what he did wrong. He can choose to benefit and improve, or to look like a bumbling, idiotic dufus. As for you, are you seriously encouraging videos of such poor quality? I have high standards. You ovbiously do not. I watched the video, hoping for a new perspective, or some new piece of information, or anything justifying the existence of the video. This video had none of that. I can't even call it a re-hash of previously-disseminated info, because this was just a video for the sake of making a video, like a "webmaster" managing to get "Hello world" to show on their web site. The creator clearly had no experience with the product whatsoever, and was generally clueless about the subject of their video, both in this specific instance and in general. I was not harsh, but I certainly could be. I was truthful and factual. Do I need to use smaller words and simpler ideas, to help you understand? As for the creator, if he releases a quality review video (as I hope he does), and I am as effusive in my praise as I was in my disdain, will you then reply that I went overboard in that regard? Somehow, I think not. If you go out in public with TP hanging out of your pants and your fly unzipped, should I say nothing (and let people laugh at you), or would you rather I let you know ASAP? As viewers, it is important that we acknowledge the videos that are released, at least for creators we want to continue to provide content. It is also important that we tell them what we like and don't like, to help them improve. This helps the creator release videos that will draw more viewers, more views, and more replies. Likely, my view and my reply contributed to his revenue. I could have just given his video a thumbs down (which I did not), rather than taking my time to explain what I actually did not like about his video. But sure, if the creator would prefer, I could just give him a thumbs down, which is a cowardly, unhelpful thing to do.
@@googleuser6635 What I said has nothing to do with not having high standards and it's totally fine if you didn't like this video. I don't know this guy so I have no skin in the game. When you use words like "waste of time" and start throwing phrases into all caps it makes you sound angry, and I think that's how a lot of people would read it. If you don't think the video offered any fresh perspectives and you don't think reviews like that are a service to the tool community that's fine and I wouldn't take that away from you or begrudge that. All I was trying to say was that your initial comment felt a little bit more like a personal attack than trying to offer real criticism about the video like you had some kind of personal stake in it. In that regard, that's where I do have high standards in how people should discuss content. To be fair to you, one area I wish reviews like this would offer more insight on is to actually depict the tool being used. It's fine to give some initial impressions but that's not necessarily that helpful for somebody else if it's not clear the reviewer has ever actually used the tool for real tasks that a person who would buy it would use it for, and I can agree with your sentiments there. But I guess if it were me I would have gone another way with how I said that. That was all I was trying to get at as a remark to your comment. I'm not advocating people should cheer on "bad" content that doesn't deserve it. But all the same, it's just as easy to be needlessly hurtful to someone while offering "real talk" and I wouldn't advocate for that, either. You could've said something like, "This tool seems to have a lot of design flaws that you didn't mention, and the video would've been stronger if you'd actually depicted the tool being used. That way we could see for sure if these design flaws come to light in that usage or not, and we could all learn more." To each their own, I guess.
@@Digimorphosis Trust me, that was not harsh. I am fully capable of making harsh replies, and that was just a prod. Not gentle, I admit, but hopefully enough to make my point. It surely got your attention. Any time someone starts off their video with comments that are demonstrably, historically, and factually false, my reaction will not be positive. Such careless, ininformed, and ignorant narrative clearly shows the creator to be a person who does not value truth, accuracy, and knowledge. This entire video was based on falsehoods, ignorance, and assumptions. I have to ask, did you address these issues with the creator, or did your standards allow this to pass, and you only took umbrage with my comment? If only with me, my assumption about you is a reality.
Popped open that pan of kaint at 4:20
Was Pretty excited about getting my hands on this Leatherman!
MagnaCut Blade and true one handed operation along with the bit driver! almost the perfect tool. Only thing I would change is replace the scissors with a serrated edge blade, but overall I think this is probably the new KING in the multitool world!!
No. Every single implement is compromised and sub-par.
I just cancelled my order from REI after learning the hard cutter issue, I will wait for the issue to be rectified and then order. Victorinox MX clip is my trusted and favourite MT as of now with these advantages - chisel/package opener, better rust resistance, better can opener, ergonomic handle, uncoated knife, cheaper, more robust build, no big hole on the file, more variety of wire stripper, shinny finish. Hopefully the hard cutter issue can rectify fast and I can have another excellent MT. And if leather can add measuring cm and inch scale on the edge:)
The measure marks are a useless gimmick. They were never accurate, but were clumsy to use.
I agree, always felt they were “spec shee features” nobody needed
Agreed.
LM should know better on the hard wire cutters, not sure if it’s a bad heat treat or what but it should be an easy fix once they get it figured out
@9:20 there is only one option for the micro driver, as far as I know and looked all over the site.
What’s a pan of caint and why would you be banging on one?
Some reviewers say the Arc and P4 are more flexible in the torsion/twisting direction and not as rigid and solid as the Wave.
Those tools are built a little looser to facilitate “one handed operation”
Not sure if the wave is stronger but it feels tighter.
I don’t think any reasonable person would use a multi tool like this and feel like it was within reasonable use
The sheath is a bit tall for that multi tool.
Maybe a little bit. It was a nice fit around the sides though
I'm really wanting a Surge, but it doesn't seem realistic for EDC, more of a "keep in the vehicle" tool. That led me to the charge, but if I spent more money on this I could do away with a dedicated knife which means less to carry and that's good for what I want out of EDC.
The additional pocket clip holes don't help us lefties at all. They would need to be on the opposite side of the same arm in order to clip into the corner of the pocket. That's not really a big deal, though. The big issue for lefties is needing to use our middle finger to open the knife one handed instead of our thumb. They will never make a true lefty tool, but maybe one day, the positions of the large tools can be swapped without needing to modify the tool and voiding the warranty. But I'm not holding my breath. We're an adaptable ~10% of the population, so we'll be alright.
You got that right - we are adaptable and I have been somewhat ambidextrous since childhood. I believe it's because they made us use those shity, thick handled, rubber-coated scissors in grade school. What the actual f***? Why would lefties need big thick rubber coated scissor handles? We're left-handed, we're not left-handed Fiddler crabs! (Or whatever type of crab it is that has one giant claw and one not so big one.)
People have switched the knife blade to the other side for left handed
Check out the timestamp 13:21, where you can see that one pliers jaw is thicker than the other.
I just checked out my ARC and I have the same problem, but perhaps not as bad as this guy's pliers. I consider this to be a MUCH bigger deal than the replaceable wire cutters, because other videos have shown that if you simply cut the wire more forward from The Gap at the very rear of the pliers, they cut normally and do not Bend or break.
And anyway, the wire cutters are replaceable and I've heard that Leatherman is sending out free replacements, whereas the Jaws are basically the main part of the tool and are not replaceable, except under the warranty. And from what I've learned dealing with Leatherman's customer service on other issues, I find their customer service department to be overworked, under-resourced and unwilling to do enough to make things right for the customer.
I'm a first-time Leatherman owner but I've been using tools for 50 plus years. By the way, Victorinox is Swiss Army knives don't come with defects. Full stop.
They need to make spring-loaded pliers like the Garage edition and customers will pay more no problem.
I agree spring loaded is a huge help when using gloves or in cold weather.
Every main outlet is reporting the ARCs wire cutters breaking and shattering for this price point they really skimmed quality on the most used part of it
I saw that, I didn’t try to cut any hard wire but the cutters are replaceable if I run into issues.
The main tools I’ll be using are the knife, bit driver. And needle nose tips.
This is not a problem with the wire cutters specific to the ARC. Somewhat recently Leatherman must have changed manufacturer for the replaceable wire cutters. All newly manufactured Leatherman with replaceable wire cutters have this issue. I have a Charge + Ti that I got over the summer and it has the same issue.
People are just noticing it now as they test out the new ARC's.
@@gearsNtoolsThe replacement cutters all have the same issue.
Yes, unfortunately. This speaks volumes to the decline of Leatherman, and really says they have no attention to detail, and no QC.
@@googleuser6635 Lets see how they respond before we judge, this is a recently discovered Issue. Leatherman has a 25 year warrantee I'm sure they'll correct the minor design flaw, and replace any cutters that are affected.
Leatherman needs to make a spare bit holder that screw into those unused holes.
It would be better is they put the pocket clip on the correct side. Adding more bulk just drops the usability.
@@googleuser6635 as an add on dude. And you can flip the pocket clip to either side.
A difficult choice between the Leatherman Wave and the Leatherman Arc. The Arc is easier to open and access the tools. The best add on is a sight adjuster bit extender. This has a magnetic bit holder that works absolutely fine with standard 1/4” hex bits and the Leatherman bits. The Arc blade is less aggressive looking compared to the Wave, so a bit more friendly when used in public. The Arc is worth the extra expense in my opinion, but the Wave is a good second option that won’t let you down.
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A full list of the gear I use to make my videos!
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Chapters
00:00 Welcome to GearsNTools
00:46 In the box
02:22 Size & Weight
03:02 One Handed Operations
03:40 Exterior Features
04:40 Knife Blade & Main Tools
08:24 Secondary Tools
12:34 Pliers
13:55 Fit and Finish
14:40 Pros & Cons
17:00 Takeaways
STAY AWAY from Leatherman. I paid them $240 for an Arc and paid extra to engrave my name on it, only to get the item and it looks like the engraving was done by a 3 year old. When I called them, they were snooty and only offered the $12 engraving fee back. The item is horrible looking with the engraving, as is their customer service.
Lmao wow
Arc's garbage. Mine came with a crazy dull blade, Ozark Trail like frame/plier flex, and my wire cutters broke while cutting baling wire. Thing's a $230 paper weight
If you have that many issues I’d send it back to leatherman for a refund.
I’m not having those issues with mine
The frame flex is a non issue. The Free P4 is the same way, and it hasn’t been an issue AT ALL in the years I’ve had mine. 🤷🏻♂️
I agree, all tools of this size will have some frame flex if you reap on them hard enough.
I did a torture test on the bit driver on the wave and was able to break the bit driver far before the frame broke.
Also I had to use a torque wench, I was unable to break either the frame, or bit driver by hand.
we need to keep the intended use case of a tool in mind when we evaluate these things, everything will break if you try hard enough.
The questions is it acceptable for the size/ weight/ job you are asking it to fill? @@scottstoolthoughts3190
This was a sub-par review. Basically everything you said was incorrect.
Leatherman's Arc demonstrated a LACK OF attention to detail, and a LACK OF quality control. Virtually every item on the Arc illustrates those 2 features, from the smooth frame, to the useless profile of the dull magnacut blade. Every visible part of the Arc is sub-par. Your failure to note these things is alarming, but speaks volumes for the uselessness of your reviews. Every minute watching your review was a wasted minute of time.
The ONLY things you got remitely right were that the Arc should have had a serrated blade, the slot in the file is a detriment, that Leatherman's flat bits cross models, and that the magnacut blade should not be used for some things.
Sorry you don’t like the review, I always give my honest opinion which is why all my reviews point out the pros & cons of any product.
Keep in mind physically holding & using a product will always form different opinion than just seeing pictures.
I like the blade shape and form factor I’ll be keeping this tool
Jeez this is unnecessarily harsh. And it sounds like you've already thoroughly made up your mind about the tool, so I'm not even sure why you're watching reviews anyway if you know everything. There's constructive criticism, and then there are comments that say more about the writer than this creator.
@@Digimorphosis I won't pretend that his review was OK, when it clearly wasn't. Should I treat him like a special needs child, lie, and say he did a great job? No. I'm going to give it to him straight. Hopefully, he will do more thorough reviews in the future. I actually took my time to explain what he did wrong. He can choose to benefit and improve, or to look like a bumbling, idiotic dufus.
As for you, are you seriously encouraging videos of such poor quality? I have high standards. You ovbiously do not.
I watched the video, hoping for a new perspective, or some new piece of information, or anything justifying the existence of the video. This video had none of that. I can't even call it a re-hash of previously-disseminated info, because this was just a video for the sake of making a video, like a "webmaster" managing to get "Hello world" to show on their web site. The creator clearly had no experience with the product whatsoever, and was generally clueless about the subject of their video, both in this specific instance and in general.
I was not harsh, but I certainly could be. I was truthful and factual. Do I need to use smaller words and simpler ideas, to help you understand?
As for the creator, if he releases a quality review video (as I hope he does), and I am as effusive in my praise as I was in my disdain, will you then reply that I went overboard in that regard? Somehow, I think not. If you go out in public with TP hanging out of your pants and your fly unzipped, should I say nothing (and let people laugh at you), or would you rather I let you know ASAP?
As viewers, it is important that we acknowledge the videos that are released, at least for creators we want to continue to provide content. It is also important that we tell them what we like and don't like, to help them improve. This helps the creator release videos that will draw more viewers, more views, and more replies. Likely, my view and my reply contributed to his revenue. I could have just given his video a thumbs down (which I did not), rather than taking my time to explain what I actually did not like about his video. But sure, if the creator would prefer, I could just give him a thumbs down, which is a cowardly, unhelpful thing to do.
@@googleuser6635 What I said has nothing to do with not having high standards and it's totally fine if you didn't like this video. I don't know this guy so I have no skin in the game. When you use words like "waste of time" and start throwing phrases into all caps it makes you sound angry, and I think that's how a lot of people would read it. If you don't think the video offered any fresh perspectives and you don't think reviews like that are a service to the tool community that's fine and I wouldn't take that away from you or begrudge that. All I was trying to say was that your initial comment felt a little bit more like a personal attack than trying to offer real criticism about the video like you had some kind of personal stake in it. In that regard, that's where I do have high standards in how people should discuss content. To be fair to you, one area I wish reviews like this would offer more insight on is to actually depict the tool being used. It's fine to give some initial impressions but that's not necessarily that helpful for somebody else if it's not clear the reviewer has ever actually used the tool for real tasks that a person who would buy it would use it for, and I can agree with your sentiments there. But I guess if it were me I would have gone another way with how I said that. That was all I was trying to get at as a remark to your comment. I'm not advocating people should cheer on "bad" content that doesn't deserve it. But all the same, it's just as easy to be needlessly hurtful to someone while offering "real talk" and I wouldn't advocate for that, either. You could've said something like, "This tool seems to have a lot of design flaws that you didn't mention, and the video would've been stronger if you'd actually depicted the tool being used. That way we could see for sure if these design flaws come to light in that usage or not, and we could all learn more." To each their own, I guess.
@@Digimorphosis Trust me, that was not harsh. I am fully capable of making harsh replies, and that was just a prod. Not gentle, I admit, but hopefully enough to make my point. It surely got your attention.
Any time someone starts off their video with comments that are demonstrably, historically, and factually false, my reaction will not be positive. Such careless, ininformed, and ignorant narrative clearly shows the creator to be a person who does not value truth, accuracy, and knowledge. This entire video was based on falsehoods, ignorance, and assumptions.
I have to ask, did you address these issues with the creator, or did your standards allow this to pass, and you only took umbrage with my comment? If only with me, my assumption about you is a reality.