Epic Map 5 between Fnatic and LOUD in the VCT LOCK//IN Grand Finals | FULL MAP

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  • @ThatsAmore123
    @ThatsAmore123 ปีที่แล้ว +367

    This is probably one of the best B05’s we’ve seen in not just Valorant but in esports in recent memory

    • @muhammadazrafbinmohdakmam4772
      @muhammadazrafbinmohdakmam4772 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      DRX vs T1 is still goated tho

    • @WatchingTokyo
      @WatchingTokyo ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah between this final and the LoL Worlds 22 final we have been blessed

    • @awayin6
      @awayin6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      if you exclude the crowds you mean.

    • @techdroid7275
      @techdroid7275 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bgm name played at the winning moment??

    • @thelonelyowl2654
      @thelonelyowl2654 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Can't even compare valulrant to iem cologne 22 final

  • @frop6370
    @frop6370 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    Even a year later coming back to this, does not fail to bring me to tears the heart strain and pure joy of FANTICs win after years of hardship, this was truly the series of all time for valorant and possibily e sports as a whole

  • @BLettuce
    @BLettuce ปีที่แล้ว +489

    Fnatic humbling the crowd is such a good feeling. When they are quiet, they are pierced with a reality check. With the crowd, I really hope that riot doesn't do another event in Brazil. The valorant community there is incredibly unwelcoming to other pro teams. Well done Fnatic, well played LOUD.

    • @muhammadgazza7163
      @muhammadgazza7163 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yep they moved to LA

    • @asdfag557
      @asdfag557 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Thats normal for BRAZILIAN esports teams they are passionate , its just that valorant community is too soft , NAVI was fighting heroic or someone idk and they kept BOOING simple and simple always replied back with his gestures .

    • @theeggen
      @theeggen ปีที่แล้ว +44

      @@iinspireNP they're clearly not passionate about the sport. they're only passionate about the team representing their country.

    • @JacobChardBRA
      @JacobChardBRA ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@theeggen exactly, it is the same with football.. a lot of brazilians dont play/watch football but when it comes to a world cup they watch and support the team because its BRAZIL...

    • @ayush-ax07
      @ayush-ax07 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@asdfag557 it's one thing being passionate and another being disrespectful

  • @janainamoreira2370
    @janainamoreira2370 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    As a Brazilian it is very embarrassing to see the behavior of the audience. Like I understand the feeling of defeat I really wanted Loud to win but Fnatic deserved this win so much and it was a breathtaking turnaround. I apologize on behalf of Brazil. I saw many comments asking not to let Brazil host events like this and I totally understand. Congratulations Fnatic you really deserve this title

  • @charcoleee
    @charcoleee ปีที่แล้ว +104

    man brazil crowd are something else. only a few were left in the celebration of Fnc winning. bruh

  • @nekosloan2206
    @nekosloan2206 ปีที่แล้ว +230

    The amount of boo-ing I heard from the crowd was insane, no respect towards Fnatic at all, I hope Riot notices this and doesn't give Brazil another amazing event like this

    • @amaimi1093
      @amaimi1093 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      such a letdown of a beautiful match, no more Brazil pls.

    • @Extermination99
      @Extermination99 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Same thing happened with CSGO. Even after S1mple jokingly asked for them not to boo them.

    • @vNasus_
      @vNasus_ ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I’m so confused as to what y’all are complaining about, it’s a sport. Watch a normal sport and literally no one from the home team cheers when the other team looses…it’s part of the game

    • @alsckdk9579
      @alsckdk9579 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      ​@@vNasus_ It's odd that you bring this up since Brazilian fans seem to get really riled up when their teams get any sort of disadvantage or booing in other countries.
      Just because it happens in other sports doesn't it mean it's not lame. You don't have to celebrate for the "enemy" team, but booing is just disrespectful. If you want to call it "playful banter" or just "being passionate" that's just a shitty way of disguising shitty behavior under "I'm not rude, you're just too soft". I love the energy in Brazil but this mentality is just an echo chamber for toxicity.

    • @ahrifox8832
      @ahrifox8832 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@vNasus_ They were booing for simple things like fnatic timeouts, you can boo but when u boo for things like that its very unsportsman like. Its in their rights to boo but its in ours to judge them on how the boo also and that Brazilian crowd was horrible

  • @ffossip
    @ffossip ปีที่แล้ว +47

    boaster aged ten times faster during this map

  • @Kretanus
    @Kretanus ปีที่แล้ว +47

    2014 Brazilian Tears - felt sorry for them
    2023 Brazilian Tears - never tasted so good - shame on on the brazilian crowd - thats Karma!

  • @xD_bay
    @xD_bay ปีที่แล้ว +45

    One of the best series of VCT, was unreal to watch live

  • @coffeeboi303
    @coffeeboi303 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    This is exactly why hating brazil team at its best

  • @arcedge6456
    @arcedge6456 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    34:28 Karma hits hard

    • @nekosloan2206
      @nekosloan2206 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      1:09:19 when the karma hit

    • @arimmon7702
      @arimmon7702 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Atleast they stay for respect fnatic

    • @FF-vi8tc
      @FF-vi8tc ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@arimmon7702 Lmao the crowd is empty

    • @arimmon7702
      @arimmon7702 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@FF-vi8tc i talk about the girls, not most of the crowd

    • @ronlyon4645
      @ronlyon4645 ปีที่แล้ว

      that's boaster sleeping with the trophy and prize money.

  • @crescentelua4511
    @crescentelua4511 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Never hold a tournament in Brazil again. The crowd is really disrespectful and has too little respect for other teams outside of Brazil. Also, it really pissed me off when I heard Derke's Twitter tweet about someone breaking the championship trophy. how stupid they are.

    • @saikatganguly3349
      @saikatganguly3349 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      that happened at the airport actually, the mould didnt fit the trophy properly.

  • @RishitBansal
    @RishitBansal ปีที่แล้ว +16

    1:19:20 Many people doubted this guy from the beginning!! This year he is gonna prove why is one of the brightest minds in the game. #GetYourBoastees.🧡🖤

  • @Ranahamza_
    @Ranahamza_ ปีที่แล้ว +42

    1:03:15 "DERKE RUNS ICEBOX" Oh man, Goosebumps

  • @mattpatt5951
    @mattpatt5951 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    Why in the world couldn’t the Brazil fans give them a cheer after giving them one the best games in valorant history? That’s weak be upset be sad I know how passionate they are but for you not to cheer the winners grow up
    Also extremely unhappy with the desk and the lack of the enthusiastic behaviour as when loud went into the half 9-3 up and they were so hyped but FNC win and they drop off completely

    • @shizukuhajime2392
      @shizukuhajime2392 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Pretty sure all if not most of them are from NA so they are not happy as they realised only 3 spots go to the americas league now plus through this tournament it shows that almost all of fnatic weaknesses from the past have disappeared which means they are gonna be even scarier in the future and the desk didn’t want fnatic to win they wanted them to be choke so they could laugh at them again because they know that as long as fnatic wins this event like they did especially in the way that they did the only real weakness this squad had will no longer be there and they will be a genuine super team in every meaning of the word as a lot of people have been calling them before the event started and that frightens them as it means that NA’s already very thin hold on staying at the top level and being the best region is truly starting to crumble and it’s a nightmare for them as it’s like de ja vu the same thing happened in csgo where a lot of the current NA pros came from at the very start they were the best but then EU came in and dominated it and destroyed NA’s dominance almost single handedly and it’s looking like it’s all happening again as navi and fnatic looking frightening with Europe mounting the charge with pacific and SA flailing from either side to completely destroy NA who were once dominance look at the improvements all 3 are doing and NA are remaining stagnant so now that even fnatic have won a trophy all the alarm bells are ringing and they are starting to get really worries that what happened to csgo might happen to valorant as well

    • @mattpatt5951
      @mattpatt5951 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@shizukuhajime2392 when ever has an NA team ever been the top of the esports? And held it for like years the only team I can think of is the old SK roster for CSGO otherwise no other NA teams can say that at all.
      The crowd left before FNC did their interviews on stage you’ll find the ones that were left were EMEA supporters.
      It’s just wrong is all. Just cause your region is crumbling doesn’t mean you can’t support. I’m from OCE and would have love to have seen that live.

    • @shizukuhajime2392
      @shizukuhajime2392 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mattpatt5951 don’t take it too serious just some theories I made which is most likely not accurate as this was really I think the first esports event I watched and followed plus I’m from Europe britain to be more specific so I am happy with fnatic winning and navi reaching semi finals as EMEA had 2 teams in the semi final and even won showing that we still have very powerful teams im just looking forward to the leagues now all 3 really it will be interesting to see where all the teams end up in their respective leagues

  • @mustafaodabas7136
    @mustafaodabas7136 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    Amazing comeback from Fnatic. But in the end; empty stadium, the rest of the auidence are booing..Man... Fnatic didnt deserve this. Riot please see that and dont do this tournanments in Brasil. They re disrespect to champs. What a big shame. What a L.

  • @diegozambrano2185
    @diegozambrano2185 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    Worst crowd left almost instantly after their team lost. Absolutely disrespectful

    • @amystealurluck
      @amystealurluck ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bgm name played at the winning moment??

    • @_wayward_494
      @_wayward_494 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@amystealurluckwhat

  • @emgee99
    @emgee99 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    As everyone has said:
    WWWWW FNATIC!
    W Loud!
    L Crowd.
    What a map. Best game in the history. That will be hard to top. 🧡🧡🧡

    • @nekosloan2206
      @nekosloan2206 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      that crowd was HORRIFIC

    • @lruy360.driveng
      @lruy360.driveng ปีที่แล้ว +17

      ikr, I was on the edge of my seat the entire time, and as a fnatic faboy the end was so satisfying. the crowd sucked though, Brazil is a cool country but it has no business hosting eSports events.

    • @amystealurluck
      @amystealurluck ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bgm name played at the winning moment??

    • @FF-vi8tc
      @FF-vi8tc ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah the crowd is fking horrible and so toxic

    • @lovecats_3346
      @lovecats_3346 ปีที่แล้ว

      why L crowd?

  • @jamesomlang6946
    @jamesomlang6946 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Ah, I've suddenly remembered DRX's 4-12 comeback. This game is proof that you cannot celebrate even if you're ahead by a VERY wide margin.

  • @quatschkopf_hd4493
    @quatschkopf_hd4493 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    6:21 Game starts

  • @rskyde1032
    @rskyde1032 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    one of the best games ive seen

  • @Ask_LyRc
    @Ask_LyRc ปีที่แล้ว +25

    1:05:57 the silence is deafening

  • @BigRoms
    @BigRoms ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I don't enjoy hating on Brazilian teams but holy shit man the fans make it so hard not to go against them. FNC make a damn near impossible 11-3 comeback in the grand finals just to be met with an empty crowd.... Huge congrats to Fnatic and I hope they never host any more tournaments in Brazil.

  • @DesertDeath
    @DesertDeath ปีที่แล้ว +12

    the silence is so LOUD

  • @zWraithh
    @zWraithh ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Love this! Please upload more full matches!

    • @Varxiva
      @Varxiva ปีที่แล้ว

      All VCT matches can be found in full from this channel's playlists page. They're unlisted, so you have to go to the channel playlist and find them there - you can't search for them.

    • @zWraithh
      @zWraithh ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Varxiva right, so like I said: they should upload more full matches!

    • @Varxiva
      @Varxiva ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@zWraithh They upload all their full matches. Or are you talking about the ones outside of the VCT?

  • @gojonissan5567
    @gojonissan5567 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    please dont have any event at brazil anymore.. embarrasing

    • @amystealurluck
      @amystealurluck ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bgm name played at the winning moment??

    • @anenemystand
      @anenemystand ปีที่แล้ว

      dumbest comment i’ve seen in a minute

  • @agonymm
    @agonymm ปีที่แล้ว

    1:06:00 song: Vibrar by Kaku, Chuwe and Lyon La Diferencia

  • @yujingene4328
    @yujingene4328 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Brazil, worst crowds ever. Booing FNC, did not even cheer for them even though they did their best. And after they won they have interview but empty no crowd. So disrespectful. I hope riot won't have to hold events there again.

  • @Timarisa
    @Timarisa ปีที่แล้ว +51

    fnatic is just too good

  • @3azm0
    @3azm0 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This reminds me of Fnatic CSGO in the old days, got hate got wins

  • @ukakekakuk
    @ukakekakuk ปีที่แล้ว +4

    so nice to see those face of disappointment on crowd

  • @cafeshark1263
    @cafeshark1263 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Could we just appreciate the LESS for a moment ?! PLEASE? The first picks are mind-boggling

  • @xilanx9788
    @xilanx9788 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    at 38:15 the caster jinxed it..well played both team..

  • @iant6943
    @iant6943 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    best match ever not necessarily skill-wise but viewer-wise. so unexpected.

  • @disguy7059
    @disguy7059 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This will go down in Valorant as the greatest comeback game ever.

  • @ronlyon4645
    @ronlyon4645 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    i wish brazil got humiliated again in international stage like in wc 7-1.

  • @kevinbobby7021
    @kevinbobby7021 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    9-3 curse strikes

    • @batman106
      @batman106 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      11-3 curse

  • @blackpanther9820
    @blackpanther9820 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When you see boaster makes this face 35:30, you know you are fucked.

  • @aamirraza7479
    @aamirraza7479 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    57:05. You're welcome.

    • @tejeringoelchico9405
      @tejeringoelchico9405 ปีที่แล้ว

      when I watched this live I thought this was a nipslip had to rewatch it lol

  • @StrasnusDude
    @StrasnusDude ปีที่แล้ว +2

    games like this will make valorant esports equal cs go when it comes to exciting nailbiting games. different games ofcourse but im talking about its a game fps players can enjoy

  • @KIRA-jk3xl
    @KIRA-jk3xl ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Embarrassing crowd, doesn't deserved anything but a stomp like they had.
    NEVER EVER a VCT on that place again.
    GGEZ FOR FNATIC.
    LOUD < QUIET

  • @abrarfarhan9611
    @abrarfarhan9611 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @1:17:22 wait Chronicle is marrried?????? damnnnnnn.

  • @joshg69
    @joshg69 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    imagine losing final in your home country

  • @novicemoon
    @novicemoon ปีที่แล้ว +6

    the crowd there , just awful , they left the fking stadium after fnatic's comeback ? they truly didnt deserve this, hope there is no esports tournament in brazil anymore

  • @191_jineshkothari2
    @191_jineshkothari2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Brazillian fans standing up too much booster make sure to shut them down 💀

  • @Ryujinjakaroth
    @Ryujinjakaroth ปีที่แล้ว

    Seeing that crowd go silent is satisfying 😂😂 lol Fnatic from 3-11 to 14-12 what a match this maybe the greatest match in valorant tournament history

  • @ahrifox8832
    @ahrifox8832 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anyone know the song @41:10 ?

  • @no1stress77
    @no1stress77 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    People complaining about the crowd ...i just want to say i wanted a great match and i got it! Ggs to both teams!

  • @ReginaCallista
    @ReginaCallista ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Reach VCT FINAL 101 spamming Jett all maps and still didn't manage to win on the Rebroadcast

  • @Reirei3727
    @Reirei3727 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    everyones reaction had me dying

  • @haritsnafis6426
    @haritsnafis6426 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is aspas vs derke

  • @KBMemphis
    @KBMemphis ปีที่แล้ว

    does chronicle do drugs?? he's always tweaking, twitching and gritting his teeth 😂

  • @TheRhen86
    @TheRhen86 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @34:29 , goodnight, haha

    • @amystealurluck
      @amystealurluck ปีที่แล้ว

      Bgm name played at the winning moment??

  • @ukakekakuk
    @ukakekakuk ปีที่แล้ว +1

    LOUD play is animal and so the crowd , yes ANIMAL , you know what i mean

    • @nanabunz
      @nanabunz ปีที่แล้ว

      ? calm tf down

  • @ItsmeXope
    @ItsmeXope ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have events in india

  • @Keep-Scrolling-lil-Bro
    @Keep-Scrolling-lil-Bro 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This reminds me of Brazil's 7-1 loss to Germany.

  • @rkm4592
    @rkm4592 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    BOASTER

  • @harshgupta606
    @harshgupta606 ปีที่แล้ว

    Crowd acctually affects mental a lot and they literally want a single team to win they tried so hard to qualify and winning every single one still the crowd don't see it but shout when see their team winning 🙃

  • @techdroid7275
    @techdroid7275 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bgm name played at the winning moment??

    • @AM-jc3wd
      @AM-jc3wd 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      wap by cardi b

  • @menghouv
    @menghouv ปีที่แล้ว +2

    FNC deserve it. Well done.

  • @obspareh3123
    @obspareh3123 ปีที่แล้ว

    13:31

  • @aungmoeoo8435
    @aungmoeoo8435 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’d really like watching pewds commentate on more reality shows.

  • @Maviahtapot
    @Maviahtapot ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool 💚😊

  • @goldeninja6770
    @goldeninja6770 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    the match was absolutely insane but the crowd's behavior was absolute trash and i hope no tournaments happen such a place where the crowd loves only 1 team and no respect for the other

  • @ifaraimu
    @ifaraimu ปีที่แล้ว +4

    L Crowd muted

  • @tejeringoelchico9405
    @tejeringoelchico9405 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    57:05 thank me later

  • @gurenge999
    @gurenge999 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    wish there was a better crowd, the alfajer 1v2 wouldve been so much more hype

  • @voltvvoltv2662
    @voltvvoltv2662 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rewatch 57:08😂

  • @Varxiva
    @Varxiva ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm a fan of LOUD's and Brazilian esports in general, but was ashamed of that crowd. Pathetic... Booing a world champion and emptying the stadium... It disgusts me. Everyone on FNATIC worked incredibly hard and deserve that trophy.

  • @Jeanpalsec
    @Jeanpalsec 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ah ah public who said " it's over " .... cheh x)

  • @gamist8166
    @gamist8166 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What's with the random freezing? Really lame if someone wants to watch this to find anything for themselves, or if its for entertainment i cant imagine it too hot either..

  • @nek0shin_
    @nek0shin_ ปีที่แล้ว

    no top 10 plays?

  • @TetsuyaAR
    @TetsuyaAR ปีที่แล้ว +1

    nahh riot ain't coming back to brazil.

  • @delroymanderson4973
    @delroymanderson4973 ปีที่แล้ว

    I get supporting teams from your country/ region but the lack of love and support for games when it was non Brazil/ South America was horrible if they keep it like that never host their again

  • @farhanahpaizan718
    @farhanahpaizan718 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    it's sooooo fun seeing them all sad and heartbroken hahahaahahahah prolly the best part of this whole thing

  • @quantumdots1113
    @quantumdots1113 ปีที่แล้ว

    braziLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL crowd

  • @a.w_.
    @a.w_. ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Don't know why the event was in Brazil tbh even without the awful crowd it's super unsafe for the players

  • @Kshitij-s9g
    @Kshitij-s9g หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Brazilian community is not welcoming at all for other teams…nice reality check by fnc

  • @baji-san376
    @baji-san376 ปีที่แล้ว

    good job, but the trophy💀

  • @lephuc3566
    @lephuc3566 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    KARMA is real :D

  • @Kai-oh8fu
    @Kai-oh8fu ปีที่แล้ว

    Can someone translate alfajer pls

  • @gouravp.3851
    @gouravp.3851 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    9-3 curse real? Lol

  • @duyvuanh918
    @duyvuanh918 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anna Donlon should be replaced ... she's killing Valorant.

  • @greatindia902
    @greatindia902 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow

  • @IrishKream
    @IrishKream ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn Brazil is ass for hosting events. First with the UFC Brazilian crowd being unsportsmanlike now this too. Definitely have a bad view on Brazilian crowds now

  • @dakure907
    @dakure907 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wth was that ending lmao

  • @oskargrankall4551
    @oskargrankall4551 ปีที่แล้ว

    Crowd so disrespectful.

  • @yigitkara5159
    @yigitkara5159 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ALFA

  • @Realicebearandyouknowit
    @Realicebearandyouknowit ปีที่แล้ว

    Ez comeback

  • @1vs1
    @1vs1 ปีที่แล้ว

    FNATICCC

  • @kyagaming2538
    @kyagaming2538 ปีที่แล้ว

    BRAZIL BANNED !

  • @sylpher11
    @sylpher11 ปีที่แล้ว

    L crowd.

  • @Remiliaosu
    @Remiliaosu ปีที่แล้ว

    bronzil

  • @eduardogonzalezparra2681
    @eduardogonzalezparra2681 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Everyone here commenting about the crowd being bad makes no sense. You guys have never seen any sports (or any type of competitive tournament) or what? You obviously cheer for the team you want to win, more so if they are a local team. If I were brazilian, I definitetly would be going crazy for LOUD and booing the other team, no matter where they are from.
    Why would they care for the trophy lifting or the ending ceremony if their team just got crushed.
    IT HAPPENS IN EVERY SPORT WHERE THE LOCAL TEAM LOSE A FINAL

    • @Sai_Zz
      @Sai_Zz ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree

    • @obspareh3123
      @obspareh3123 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      the problem is that they emptied the stadium when the event wasn’t finished, thats just toxic af.

  • @CraQRoQ
    @CraQRoQ ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Holy. Shit.

    • @amystealurluck
      @amystealurluck ปีที่แล้ว

      Bgm name played at the winning moment??

    • @andi24248
      @andi24248 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@amystealurluck ?

    • @AM-jc3wd
      @AM-jc3wd 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@amystealurluck wap by cardi b

  • @zhaowen5453
    @zhaowen5453 ปีที่แล้ว

    人都走完了,巴西人输不起太小气

  • @siddharthsensei2209
    @siddharthsensei2209 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i heckin love boaster so much

  • @amystealurluck
    @amystealurluck ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bgm name played at the winning moment??