Contrary to what you said "not something you get into by accident" in hammerhead aka stall turn if you are over-pitched beyond vertical, try to push stick to go back vertical, then left rudder to turn while right stick to counter prop torque, you almost certainly get into inverted flat spin, especially in Pitts.
Why would you wait that long to allow the spin to develop, no matter what kind of plane? I have more time flying a Pitts than an Extra and they both require at least 5-10 seconds to turn a hammerhead into an inverted flat spin. In either plane if you simply neutralize all the flight controls and reduce power the process stops and you can fly away. The plane only does what the pilot tells it to do...many new aerobatic pilots haven't learned how to talk to their plane yet.
@@ssairshowsIt is an honor to get replied by an inverted spin world record holder! Are you based in SZP? I am looking for any instructor who can teach in student's 2 seat Extra on some basic aerobatics like inverted spin in SoCal. In my experience trying hammerhead first time in the 2 bladed Pitts (after doing the same many times in an Extra 200), I guess the slow airspeed and big prop gyro force was unexpected (I should add I kept full power all the time, maybe normally people cut power before speed drops to 0). Later I tried it again but with ~30mph airspeed when turning and it was OK. Still I feel I need some instructions to gain more confidence.
In simulators, I have hit an inverted flatspin more than once by accident when flying WW1 birds in dogfights...now I know why they happened and how to easily recover.
Not a substitute for actual dual, but this is a terrific explanation and video demo of what is basically pretty simple s*it, once you get over the OMFG factor and progress toward recovery becoming reflexive and intuitive.
I remember many years ago Gene Beggs thru IAC Sport Magazine introduced the hands off recovery technique. Basically, power off, full opposite rudder and almost every airplane the stick and ailerons find netural. Then recover. I never practiced this method but have seen some instructors teach this. Any thoughts? I'm guessing overall it's a slower recovery but highly effective for non aerobatic trained pilots.
In Gene's book, "'Spins in the Pitts Special", he was careful to say that he tried his power off, hands off, opposite rudder technique in every Pitts and many other planes. He found it only worked 100% of the time in the Pitts. He cautions against using it in any other plane and called out the Decathlon specifically since it's a popular trainer that responds well to PARE but not the hands off method in all spin modes. Hands off does work in the Extra and is listed in the POH as an emergency recovery. The Extra didn't exist when Gene did his research. I did a video on comparing spin recoveries in my Pitts and found they all produce similar results - th-cam.com/video/o-6SzkPNyL8/w-d-xo.html
Wow! I can't wait to begin this type of training. Kudos on the way you teach. I can really see that you enjoy what you do.
I'm really enjoying this series. Keep it up. Going back and enjoying some of your past postings too. Thanks
Contrary to what you said "not something you get into by accident" in hammerhead aka stall turn if you are over-pitched beyond vertical, try to push stick to go back vertical, then left rudder to turn while right stick to counter prop torque, you almost certainly get into inverted flat spin, especially in Pitts.
Why would you wait that long to allow the spin to develop, no matter what kind of plane? I have more time flying a Pitts than an Extra and they both require at least 5-10 seconds to turn a hammerhead into an inverted flat spin. In either plane if you simply neutralize all the flight controls and reduce power the process stops and you can fly away. The plane only does what the pilot tells it to do...many new aerobatic pilots haven't learned how to talk to their plane yet.
@@ssairshowsIt is an honor to get replied by an inverted spin world record holder! Are you based in SZP? I am looking for any instructor who can teach in student's 2 seat Extra on some basic aerobatics like inverted spin in SoCal. In my experience trying hammerhead first time in the 2 bladed Pitts (after doing the same many times in an Extra 200), I guess the slow airspeed and big prop gyro force was unexpected (I should add I kept full power all the time, maybe normally people cut power before speed drops to 0). Later I tried it again but with ~30mph airspeed when turning and it was OK. Still I feel I need some instructions to gain more confidence.
In simulators, I have hit an inverted flatspin more than once by accident when flying WW1 birds in dogfights...now I know why they happened and how to easily recover.
I don't speak english as a first language but am glad to be able to watch the excitement.. of the spin..
Dang it! I missed the premier. Where was Bryan.....again???
Been there done that. I have graduated to inverted knife edge negative spins in a gyrocopter. This is elementary stuff.
Bold yes, but I recall some hesitation to fly due to weather, solunar calendars, or maybe it being National Upsy Daisy Day?
Not a substitute for actual dual, but this is a terrific explanation and video demo of what is basically pretty simple s*it, once you get over the OMFG factor and progress toward recovery becoming reflexive and intuitive.
👍☑️ get ready!
When your vision is upside down it is quite hard to figure out which side rudder should one press to stop the spin.
It's the other rudder pedal you are not currently stepping on...the one that is higher.
I remember many years ago Gene Beggs thru IAC Sport Magazine introduced the hands off recovery technique. Basically, power off, full opposite rudder and almost every airplane the stick and ailerons find netural. Then recover.
I never practiced this method but have seen some instructors teach this. Any thoughts?
I'm guessing overall it's a slower recovery but highly effective for non aerobatic trained pilots.
In Gene's book, "'Spins in the Pitts Special", he was careful to say that he tried his power off, hands off, opposite rudder technique in every Pitts and many other planes. He found it only worked 100% of the time in the Pitts. He cautions against using it in any other plane and called out the Decathlon specifically since it's a popular trainer that responds well to PARE but not the hands off method in all spin modes. Hands off does work in the Extra and is listed in the POH as an emergency recovery. The Extra didn't exist when Gene did his research.
I did a video on comparing spin recoveries in my Pitts and found they all produce similar results - th-cam.com/video/o-6SzkPNyL8/w-d-xo.html
I've done this before. It's really not that big a deal.
Isn't this the way how Cirrus pilots land in style? Or atleast as much style they are going get when using chute
You do recall that video is on YOUR TH-cam channel...LOL