The Current State of The Meta The Finals
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Stop nerfing, start buffing
Agree 👍🏻
Hot take, cloak visibility is just fine and shouldn't have been nerfed at all. I play medium and 60% of my fights against light I can see them coming at me with cloak and I just win the fight straight up. The other 40% of the time where they actually get the drop on me, then it is still a 50/50 because light just has such little hp. Cloak is only "a problem" in really chaotic situations but this is where they should thrive. Idk in my opinion the visual and audio cues you get from cloak are enough for it be balanced. I guess new players just don't have the awarness, but let's be honest, if embark starts to balance everything towards the new/bad player this game will die.
i agree you still have to be smart with your positioning with cloak. There was no need to nerf it people in casuals just need to be more aware and not put them selves in a bad position them selves. Also I do however understand why embark wants to nerf the stun gun.
@@mrcroc1991 yeah, a stun gun nerf is justified, ttk is so fast that you really don't need 3.75 seconds of stun, I think 2.5 would be a good middle ground
I feel like the range of the sound of cloak should be louder and I agree that light should thrive in chaotic situations but cloak just outclass the other two specialization so badly, it’s not even fair. Also May I ask what setting is your graphic? I’m diamond rank and I have trouble finding a light even when they go invis infront of me ^^’.
@@taawesome2949 I am diamond aswell and I play on all low graphics exept for view distance and textures on medium
thank you sir sumbody witha brain and not just a light hater
reason why the fcar is used so much is that its the only weapon medium has that can keep up with the lewis and xp in terms of dps. Nerfing the fcar doesnt help making other options more usable it would just make everything equally as bad. What i would like to see is make the akm the close range rifle with a slight damage buff to keep it up to par with the fcar and a heavy damage falloff and tight hipfire spread to encourage getting up close. The famas would be the midrange rifle, all it needs is just a buff to the dps. And lastly the fcar would be the long range rifle with a same dps that it has now but with a slower rof, higher hipfire spread and a lower damage falloff. Same goes for the light. Xp54 is fine, the other options are just lacking. Right now I dont feel like anything in this game is super busted and Im tired of seeing just nerfs to balance weapons.
The current guns and meta loadouts are not that OP, they’re just better than the others because THOSE are bad. Don’t nerf the other weapons and specializations just make the other guns better, plus it makes players generally happier seeing bad guns buffed rather than the best guns nerfed. In my opinion and my friends’ opinions as well, cloak device was not OP. Now it’s just unusable and mesh shield HP should be brought back up because sometimes it feels like all the HP just disappears instantly and it was not a needed nerf. That’s my take at least and my friends agree with it as well, just buff the bad stuff rather than nerf the good stuff
When’s the last time you played the finals man? Mesh shield has only 750 health now and SA12 has never 1 shot lights
Recently, but i stated as i was recording they just did the change, However it didnt change the meta
what if healing beam was based off of missing HP so you have diminishing returns fillling a heavy all the way to full. This means you would fill them to 90% then leave it, making them 10% easier to kill next time. It also would incentivize risky saves for low health players. Sometimes this will lead the healer to take a bad play and an extra kill for the enemy team.
Bro I’m not gonna lie you had a lot of hot takes in this vid dude.
Firstly I see way more heavy players using Lewis in ranked and casual (I’m diamond)
Secondly you mentioned about the fcar being able to kill a heavy in 1 clip but legit every single gun in the game with a few exceptions can kill a heavy in “1 clip”
Thirdly healing beam is only really good if your playing in a 3 stack that are good at the game contrasting to this you can solo q with teammates that have heal and don’t use it and I find demat way more fun and useful for playing solo.
Also there are strong guns in the game in each class like you mentioned but the “meta” at the moment is being with a good team that communicates and plays together. I don’t think it matters what gun you use because each is so different and you can make it work. There are always going to be better guns in video games but do we really want to get to the point where the meta instead of fcar and Lewis is grenade launchers.
The main problem that faces ranked is gold isn’t vsing all gold and plat isn’t vsing all plat etc etc..
And the problem with casual is beta non chad gamers dying to invis lights while aiming with laptop trackpads and headphones they found under the fridge and then complaining that invis is broken and then devs nerf it.
^ (ik i said you had some hot takes but this is also a hot take on your hot take)
Big ups bro. Love this game, keep doing what you’re doing. 🤫🧏♂️ 🫡
I’m thankful for that, as well as your opinion I always appreciate feedback. 🦆
Heavy is way more op than all the other classes, they have shields, tons of ammo, a flamethrower, hulk smash, zeus sht as well... like idk i think we need more weapons, specializations & gadgets, yesterday, so that everyone actually has a unique play style.
That pencil skin is DOOOOOOPE
More buffs, less nerfs
What’s your thoughts on cloak after the recent nerf? I think they completely gutted it and light really needs some major buffs in 2.6 to compensate.
Also can’t say I agree with re-adding nukes tbh, I think the game has gotten so much better now that the no skill instant win button got removed. If they add a cool-down after closing the mesh shield before re opening I think huddling up will be less common tbh since mesh hp already got reduced to 750
No way. Cloak has no space in this game. Skill less ability
As a console player, I'm so glad I'm not a PC Tryhard sweat loser because me and my friends never once bring up meta we just try to have a good time but y'all that's all you guys can talk about. Stop being keyboard warriors and have some fun with your friends if you got any
Can confirm. PC players rage quit even if we're winning and have 30sec left. Bunch of try hard babies. I'm a PC player 😂
I hate getting a bunch of PC players in my lobbies and then getting crapped on because I want to use sledge hammer, but I can turn off crossplay cause I can't play with my friends, who is on xbox
I am also a console player and I never stop ranting about the meta just cuz it’s all me and my friends care about in games. I don’t really understand your argument
@@Ok_Gamer0skill issue m8 play mesh shield and dome shield and inch up on them
The xp and lh1 are used by light players because nobody wants to be forced into a close range fight everytime when they have 150hp. The answer isn’t to nerf these weapons, the answer is the increase the effectiveness of lights other options so it doesn’t feel like barrel stuff or suffer..
Very tired of this nerf mentality. The game is getting more dull with every update. STOP asking devs to make the Gunplay feel worse. Jesus
Also we need more automatics.. sorry people but MOST people like to play with auto-weapons so they will always be the most popular and at this moment most classes only have two, which means you will see a limited number of weapons in most games where people want to win or feel competitive
A battle royal mode would go crazy
Lol
A sidearm pistol would be cool
You wanna be able to survive a whole headshot mag of fcar as a heavy? you're crazy
This was from quite a while ago..
Hot take on invibility; buff the time duration (b4 nerf), remove the cost to activate when ability is fully charge but keep the cost of reactivating when not fully charge.
Make it more visible to see when moving & when standing still - the cloak glitches when standing still for too long (similar when moving).
I think we should stop nerfing everything and just buff the other stuff. Over nerfing would make the game not fun, The ttk is already slow in this game as is.
Embark did us dirty with the cloak nerf like its kind of useless now. I wouldn't mind a stun gun rework/nerf. Maby they make it harder to use so it still retains its import strengths in ranked but in casual games people feel less forced to use it. I rarely use it at all as I use LH and rarely get close to full enemy teams or stick close to my own team.
Cloak is not useless lol it separates good from bad players that nonstop abuse it by constantly cloaking and uncloaking, i can use it in ranked just fine
@@CaesarCJ15 you only get 6 seconds now and most players use it before and after an engagement with the enemy. This not abusing cloak but utilising in the most viable way. I also use cloak my self for safe peeking from far away which also causes you to cancel cloak often. You can't use it in this way anymore. Grapple is just more worth carrying than cloak for more passive builds and aggressive builds lots of people use dash anyway.
Please stop nerfing light it literally is already Ina bad place it’s almost hell in diamond and I always could see other invis especially with sound cues and imo xp is fine start buffing other guns don’t nerf it makes everything so much less fun
I agree but I believe they should revert the lh1 recoil change
I think instead of nerfing the MP5, the other weapons would be buffed. Nerfing everything is just un fun
LH1 needs its old recoil back tho cuz its so easy rn, that guns OP
They buffed the Lh recall because they wanted light players to play safer/further away from objectives without using the sniper. This not only made light viable in ranked for more players but it has reduced the amount of light players who just straight up throw in games by dyeing constantly. It would make no sense to nerf it now especially with the cloak nerf. They just need to buff other weapons as you said. In particular the double barrel and R98.
fair points
btw dying has no e in it
Yeah, really hope they just make it so we can 1 shot a nuke. That would have solve the nuke issue at higher rank,honestly. Cause right now exactly what you said. People just stick together and there’s no counter play against that.
great vanishing bomb
Bro I don’t remember heavy shotgun ever one tapping a light. It was good but not one tap
It did in the beta
It did after beta too
Why nerf when you can buff
Who knows what they cooking
bro if i hear one more nerf light when ranked is just double heavy im high p2 p1 ur bad idc ur coping at this point. ur mad a role for being good at its role its a cout rat flanker ess. u just dont have the game senser and awarness but thats cool u cant get better. but nerfing light every patch when u dont even see it rank its cr5azy yall casual demons take it wit a grain of salt
Well I’m not this is just a general idea. I was previously top 100 and diamond. This is again a general perspective. I listed all the classes not just light so take it as you will.
just buff other options
Current state?!?! Nerfs and cheaters
Winning Lights players have the best guns. And still want to be able to go invisible in a simple button press. Fuck that cloak shittt
Best weapons if you ignore the context of hp, time to kill is basically the same for the other calsses. A medium can kill a light just as fast as a light can kill a medium.
@@ryker2977 on full HP yeah. But most IMPORTANT fights are in the middle of the mess. Not 1v1 outside the objectives you know
@@r0yalr0sePT so you say light is good when people are low and scattered and not paying attention to you. Literally any other class is good under these circumstances.
@@ryker2977 yes. If you dont know that should be the playstyle of a Light to pick up separated teammates 1 by 1. And its fine. Just not fine is to go invisible in a game like this. Messes the experience for me, that mostly only SoloQ. Its hard to play with randoms
@@r0yalr0sePT I indeed know that's the playstyle, that's why it shouldn't have been nerfed, because that was the only thing keeping that playstyle alive against high elo players. And even then, one mistake, bad positioning, showing yourself for 1 second is basically a death sentence in diamond lobbys. I play both light and medium and I can confidently say that it is so much easier and consistent to find impact with medium then with light. Well surely they could just all balance it for the new/bad player but then the game will die 100% because casual players don't stick around as much as those that actually grind the game.
ngl, i think shit thats too good should be adjusted, but worse things need to get better too, or else you just have a bunch of shit weapons
This is my problem. Everyone is asking for shit to get worse. Why isn’t nobody asking for buffs??? I can’t believe it, do we really want to run around shooting nerf guns & water balloons?
@@fpsmars3681 this is the exact problem with apex. half the guns are water pistols, and then you have three or four weapons that rip through people like theyre paper. devs are clueless
In my eyes I personally believe they should buff every weapon so you can use anything you want.
Meta should be m11, ak, m60, grapple, healing, charge. Everything else should be viable sidegrades
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