Andersonville (1996) - Trial Scene
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Everyone is entitled to a defense. I’m sure even this lawyer thought their actions were beyond savage.
I just saw him as doing a necessary, and incredibly brave job.
@@kristheobserver Reminded me of John Adams defending the British soldiers after the Boston massacre. Everyone is entitled to a defense and a fair trial.
@@gregmunn2945 great example
If you will not defend the least of us then you will defend none of us.
@@gregmunn2945The difference being that the actions of Adams’ clients were justified in the circumstances, whereas these men’s actions weren’t.
I like the accuracy in the crowd of prisoners. Showing sailors aswell. Most of the time they're forgotten in Civil War movies
Hell, when I was in school, about the only time the navies of the Civil War were mentioned was when we were covering the battle between the Monitor and the Virginia.
It's due to relatively early on the CSA navy was immobile, They where locked into harbors, Only to keep the union away. They couldn't compete or allocate resources to a navy. After the battle mentioned at Hampton roads. Most engagements happened in rivers, To attempt to bust the anaconda plan, So the armies to the left and right could not be split. Also some early battles off the coast of Africa and Europe. When they were both buying materials from England and France. By 1864. The only mobile army for the Confederacy was the army of Tennessee, Which had been incamped in Alabama, the last great campaign was the Franklin county campaign in Tennessee. The rest where immobile and dug in, Most think the civil war was open feilds when most of the battles where in trenchs.
all this death and misery just because the south had slavery? the north lost 360K+ men just for the slaves?
riiiiight.
@dwone jones you, apptly
@@rickdeckard1075 You need to study history. Yes the slavery issue was the catalyst for the war, since Lincoln was against it, which caused the South to secede. But maybe you should go beyond the Twitter mentality and study in more depth if you're really interested.
Or could it be you have your own agenda.
"We don't stop belonging to the Union Army just because we're held prisoner by the rebels.
That's real military discipline, and we were instructed to do the same even in the Navy. I was made very familiar with how I should respond to my captors should the ship I was on be sunk in enemy waters and I find myself a POW. Name, rank, and serial number. I had on the back of my CAC card the applicable Geneva convention articles giving me my "protections under the laws of war", and nothing else.
I went to Andersonville for an 8th grade field trip. That place will bring you to your knees. So many gravestones say Unknown US soldier on them. It really is a moving experience.
Try Finns Point in Jersey
@@jed4426 If I ever find myself in Jersey I'll remember to do that
I've been 3 times. Once in 5th grade. Once in 10th grade. Once in 12th grade. It is a sobering experience to say the least. Knowing you're walking on the same ground where many have died, or fell ill.
Same with Vicksburg in Mississippi
I went to Arlington National Cemetery in Washington D.C. when I was in the 8th grade...Even now the thought of all the sacrifices made by our fellow countrymen brings me to tears...GOD BLESS EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN MILITARY SERVICEMEN & WOMEN WHO HAVE MADE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE FOR OUR COUNTRY....MAY YOU REST IN PEACE.
I have read many books on Andersonville, and have been there twice. This scene is 100% accurate. The raiders are the ONLY U.S. veterans who DO NOT get a flag on their graves on Memorial Day.
Nice to know, thanks. Are they buried apart from the others? Who identified them as raiders? and are their graves marked as raiders if not apart from the others.
Were they union soldiers?
@@pinkypusher5135 Yes, Union soldiers. Most raiders were affiliated through Northeast roots- New york., many Irish. I have since learned that they are buried apart from the other soldiers. But they were all American soldiers.
@@nowthisnamestaken who were the raiders, they were pows in the prison?
It buckles my soul to know that the raiders' crimes against their fellow soldiers correctly earned a scorn, that the rebels' crimes against the country and humanity somehow avoided.
The Raiders were screwed either way. No way they would've won the trial. Kind of amazing how they allowed the prisoners to hold a civilized trial.
Tyler Jones I mean O.J. Simpson won
@@crunch9876 hahaha nice
Considering the circumstances, they got a remarkably fair trial. They were represented by counsel, the jury was specifically selected from new arrivals to ensure impartiality, and they were allowed to confront their accusers. Considering what they'd done, the punishment was more than fair.
I'm sure the Confederates were not at all worried at the prospect of Yankees killing each other.
kettch777 Amazing they could do all that in a shiity prison camp in 1863 or whatever year and yet we can't seem to operate a fair system of justice today no matter what we do! We need to get this country back from the asshats that have run it into the ground.
The Confederate commandant was German, well Swiss. First man ever tried and executed for war crimes..
Swiss or German ?
@@TheHawk1202 Swiss German.
@@marksmang894 okay
He was born in Switzerland.
Here are the actual words of John McElroy from his book on this subject page 655 "Only Wirz-small, insignificant, miserable Wirz, the underling, the tool, the servile, brainless, little fetcher-and-carrier of these men, was punished-was hanged, and upon the narrow shoulders of this pitiful scapegoat was packed the entire sin of Jefferson Davis and his crew. What a farce!
A petty little Captain made to expiate the crimes of Generals, Cabinet Officers, and a President. How absurd!
But I do not ask for vengeance. I do not ask for retribution for one of those thousands of dead comrades, the glitter of whose sightless eyes will follow me through life. I do not desire even justice on the still living authors and accomplices in the deep damnation of their taking off. I simply ask that the great sacrifices of my dead comrades shall not be suffered to pass unregarded to irrevocable oblivion; that the example of their heroic self-abnegation shall not be lost, but the lesson it teaches be preserved and inculcated into the minds of their fellow-countrymen, that future generations may profit by it, and others be as ready to die for right and honor and good government as they were. And it seems to me that if we are to appreciate their virtues, we must loathe and hold up to opprobrium those evil men whose malignity made all their sacrifices necessary. I cannot understand what good self-sacrifice and heroic example are to serve in this world, if they are to be followed by such a maudlin confusion of ideas as now threatens to obliterate all distinction between the men who fought and died for the Right and those who resisted them for the Wrong." Powerful words that move and inspire me.
Raiders should've been grateful they were given a trial in light of the rather obvious desire to just lynch them.
Also rather nice of the prosecutor to use what separated the rest of the people from the accused as a reminder of how to behave.
Yes, he didn't need to bring in his assistance Austin Powers to tell them to behave.
Great series. Kinda cool even the guys that committed horrible crimes got a proper defense.
John Stacy giving all accused a proper defense has to do with showing how reasonable and just the system is. If you’re the kind to believe anyone, because you feel a certain way, doesn’t deserve a defense because you’ve found them guilty beforehand, do us a favor and never seek a position of authority. It doesn’t fit you at all
@Uden One-Eye Then you plead guilty.
Uden One-Eye if you plead guilty there is no trial
I read a first hand account by a prisoner about his time in Andersonville ...he said the large strong men generally didn’t survive ...the small weak men generally didn’t survive ....he said the midsized men , not too muscle bound and not too scrawny , were more apt to survive
I read that too. His conclusion absent any other evidence was that is just wasn't healthy to be too big and muscle bound or too scrawny.
Maybe it’s because having more muscles raises your basal caloric rate?
Confederates watching this and eating popcorn
The Confederates being held in Northern camps had it just as bad or worse. So pass the bag dude.
@@MJDesrosiers Fake News!! You have been sold a fake story, This is why the story never gets past the sniff test., Where are the books and stories of these camps? Did American Guards shoot the surrendered traitors for sport at the camps and if so name the camp? Was that camp an open air prison? How many open air prison in the American side of the civil war? You see, what happens is, the neo confederates and America haters, they massage the data to fit their need. That need is to make America look bad so they put out fake news and hope it sticks. Remember that the Confederate Army was dilapidated, their troops were poorly cared for, a disproportionate number captured were wounded and malnourished, already walking wounded and infected. Remember that Military medicine was almost non existent, changed after the Civil war.
Why do I say this? because the only information you will have are the statistics of death kept by America that record a high numbers of deaths among ALL prisoners captured and rendered to the camps. So many died in prison 'hospitals' in the same way that the lives of so many brave Americans defending the Union were taken by infection and bloodborne illness after being wounded in battle.
But enough.
So the South was savage, ill equipped etc etc, while the North followed all the rules of combat, engagement and ultimately cared for the Southern "Neo" Confederate prisoners? Okay , got it. I guess I read the account of the Northern camps version incorrectly...Fake news? You sound like a Thumper...MAGA!!!
War is hell. I lost ancestors on both sides- and I love ALL my ancestors.
“All men want to live, sergeant. But there are some things men wont do JUST to live”
The Raiders were union soldiers that crossed the line, murdered and robbed their fellow comrades. They had no honor.
My favorite line in the movie right before they were hanged was, "What did you think you were gonna live forever?"
Said by one of those hanged...
My favorite part also.
Also I wanna say the hanging scene was beautiful in how respectful it was. The guy who is testifying against the Raiders kissed the leader before he was hung. The crowd also was shouting before the men were hung but dead silent after they were lifeless.
Tyler Jones it’s a movie. There aren’t historical accounts it occurred like this.
The historical account is this: The leader of the raiders was hung and was pretty quiet but the rope broke and he started screaming bloody murder, double jeopardy, anything he could to survive and avoid being rehanged. They quickly determined that they will hang him again. They put him back up on the simple rigged scaffold (not like in the movie-there was no abundance of wood) and hung him the second time. At this point he DID Actually say to "jim" 'lets do this right' or 'lets get this right'- the actual words said in the film. Jims reply was accurate though Im not sure about the kiss, I don't remember that.I read the book and many of the quotes are straight from the book word per word. especially Wirz when talking to the prisoners.
There's no point shouting at dead men
The leader of the raiders is wearing a green uniform, if I'm not mistaken these were worn by the sharpshooters. He probably robbed it though.
Since it looks like it wouldn’t button up I think it was definitely stolen
pead long, he probably just got it from wardrobe.
I actually think it’s just a fancy coat Collins may have bartered from the rebs. Probably not likely but I haven’t found a Union green jacket like his.
@Tom Pryor it cannot be sharpshooter than, Berdans sharpshooter regiments only came from New York, Michigan, And California.
Doubt he would've made it into Berdan's Sharpshooters, the test was ridonkulously difficult, 10 consecutive shots at 200yards, no more than 5 inch group around the bullseye, with Sharps Rifles.
I just love how the prosecution lawyer Basiclly tells the crowd RESPECT the defense Lawyer.
I understand where the defense is coming from, but his argument that the Rebels are the real enemy is dead on arrival. Each Union man in there understood and often respected that his graybacked foe would do everything in his power to harm or kill him. That is war. But what these Raiders did was far, far worse than anything any Rebel ever did. These Raiders were traitors to their own kind, and that is why the vast majority of the men were not fooled by the argument that they should be angry with the Rebels instead.
The civil war wasn’t as barbarous as you make it out to be. Andersonville was as awful as it was because the South was running out of supplies and their troops had priority. In fact, the way prisoners were treated in Camp Douglass in Illinois were treated far worse. But Wirz was the only commandant executed.
Might be the defense knew how it's gonna go, and he had no real case to defend them, but used the time to boost the morale against the enemy. And vent his own anger :)
Hah! It might've even be he himself wanted them to hang, but a lawful court has to have defense too, so he played the part with integrity. Just didn't overreach once the witnesses had spoken. No use to torture the suffering audience more than needed for a fair trial. With no real exhibits or witnesses for defense.
Or, he could of course sincerely believe in what he said: In an unlawful place, no laws could be valid. In which case he would be a theory loving nutcase, he should be locked with his books, and not let to professionally attend a court of living people, in a case with victims. The corporal expressed the meaning and purpose of law better than him.
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@@redram5150 Red IM sorry. You could not be more wrong. There is no comparison between Andersonville and camp Douglass. None. You will mention the death rate without mentioning the deplorable condition of the fighting men when captured, many of them wounded who went to prison hospitals in an age of gangrene and no antibiotics. The southerners had barracks, firewood, food, and medicines. Andersonville had no barracks, no firewood except what they could scavenge, and no medicine to speak of.... ok, boiled bark ...yippie. If you haul out a dead body they let you bring back a hunk of wood. The food was starvation level. The guards shot men for sport. Winder said he would do more to kill yankees than several divisions in the field, What did he mean by that? Winder only controlled the prisons. Who could he kill?
@@nowthisnamestaken That's Northern Yankee revisionism if I ever saw it.
No law??? WRONG!!! You are subject to military discipline
“These 6....hang em!” Best line in the movie
You can tell a disgusting his voice when he looked at them
@@mixmaster3028 Man I was so compelled by this movie when I was younger I couldn't believe this happened.
Seconded only by Vincent Gambini's opening statement in My Cousin Vinny: "Uh, everything that guy just said is bullshit. Thank you."
Many of the Union survivors of Andersonville and other Confederate prisons made their way to Memphis, Tennessee after the Civil War ended in April, 1865. These Union prisoners of war did NOT have a very happy fate. These survivors were weakened by hunger and disease. Many of these Union soldiers made their way on the steamboat Sultana in Memphis for transportation up the Mississippi to Cairo, Illinois to make their way home. The Sultana was packed with over 2,000 Union prisoners. The Sultana had a defective boiler that exploded violently a few miles north of Memphis. At least 2,000 of these men perished in the explosion, fire or from exposure/hypothermia. The Sultana disaster was worse than the Titanic in 1912. However, few know about this disaster because President Lincoln's funeral train was making its way home to Illinois. So few history books have much on the Sultana disaster.
They need to make a movie on the sultana and the confederates helped save some union souljers
As far as epic movie moments go, the man saying, "HANG'EM!" in this is just as bad ass as Chamberlain ordering, "BAYONETS!" in Gettysburg
My 6th grade History Teacher was a extra in this movie.
They were not buried with the rest of the Andersonville dead, there are 6 graves there today, in a small cluster always from the rest.
My great great Uncle rests there having been captured at Weldon Railroad.
Oof
But seriously I am sorry for you and what happened was awfull
I'm sorry to hear that
Can someone upload this movie. I know alot of history but never found a opening door to the civil war this might get me intrested
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That link went to shit
LionHeart Filmworks, has it on their page.
In case anyone is wondering, POWs are (at least now) bound by their military’s laws when in captivity.
I still don't understand how the small group of Raiders managed to get away with all these crimes! I mean everyone in the camp is against them basically. Thats like 10,000+ people vs 6 men!
Same reason they gave themselves up...they wanted to live. Not a great reason mind you, but it is a reason. Also, upon further view...there is a certain element of fear here...prisoners could only guess who was working for them and who wasn't. Kind of a mafioso mentality with that group.
The six were on trial for murder but the larger group in the two rows were also part of the raiders. The new prisoners (aka "new fish") were brought in in bits and drabs and were set upon almost immediately by the raiders, the larger group to be robbed of all their goods, extra food they might have secreted from the rebels, and any thing else of value. the film can't properly display the weakened conditions of the prisoners as protrayals of Holocaust victims cannot be truly shown.
There was over a thousand. The 6 were the leaders
In one of the scenes they said "1000 of them"... I think it was the "WHO?!" scene.. they showed a whole line cowards with clubs hiding at their sides.
The same way any group of thugs or a gang can control a larger group or community , they have the cohesion to stick together , where as the masses don’t because no one will make the first move to stand up to them due to the fear no one will back them up .
"This is a place without civilization and without law." No. Only if you allow psychopaths to prey on the helpless among you is it such a place. A contemptible defense for contemptible behavior, and an insult to the vast majority of men who didn't turn into serial murderers in that hellhole. A man brings his own character into hell, and hell reveals it.
Just because they are there, does not mean you give up the uniform, now more then ever is where it means everything, follow the discipline.
Everyone knows about Andersonville. No one's ever heard of Camp Douglas, Elmira, or Camp Chase.
To the victor goes the history. Basically, if you won, you're not going to tell everybody how bad things were for the enemy that you held in prisons, you're going to make the enemy look even worse by exposing these kinds of camps as being the hell they were. Oh, and if you know your Andersonville history, there's no way that the prisoners had that many clothes/uniforms as shown in this scene. After months and months of being exposed to the elements (it was blistering hot most of the time) most of the clothing wasn't more than rags and many had none at all.
Fort Delaware
I'm from the north. I know that bad things happened on both sides. Our civilian prisons were hell on Earth at this time so why expect the military to do any better?
@@patwiggins6969 The South at least had an excuse. They could scarcely feed their own army. And, it was the North that stopped the prisoner exchanges, which would've helped tremendously.
how about camp FORD 1964?
It's interesting that it was the hard-boiled Sec'y of War Stanton who asked that the "Rules" of war be codified because he was upset by the treatment of civilians and prisoners during this war, which ultimately led to Geneva and The Hague.
Classic scene from a great film! At least the head marauder in green took it like a man. 7:00 Frederic Forrest 1936-2023
There's law. This defense lawyer like today's lawyers choose to make excuses for poor and evil behavior. The defense lawyer is using an argument based on moral relativism.
99% of lawyers are that stupid
@@pabloledezma7895 not necessarily he could be genuinely trying to give them the best defense possible, as the law calls for. Plenty of lawyers have to defend people they know are filth, or guilty. And in a case like this, pretty much any argument he made would be dead on arrival
The defense painted himself in a corner. No laws apply? Well, we will slaughter them anyway.
@@magmat0585 Agreed. The vigorous defense mounted by their capable lawyer is a hallmark of our justice system. Everyone in our great country gets representation and a fair trial. The prisoners of Andersonville upholding this sacred process is what delivered justice.
This was one of my favorite scenes in the movie.
What happened to Daryls' other brother...Daryl?
They were all replicants made by J. F. Sebastian..
This was such an awesome miniseries. Peaked my interest as kid
Peaked mine also..But was grown..Love Civil War History!!
The fact that these man manage to conduct civilized and carry out a fair trial under such horrific situation prove what the difference is between been civilized and beast.
Exactly. What the defense was arguing was actually a defense of utter non-civilization. To make excuses for psychopaths is exactly the wrong thing to do in any situation, much less in a hellhole like this. Discipline and comradeship become even more necessary and preying on one's helpless fellow soldiers even more repugnant.
My Grandpa still tells me stories of his grandfather's time in Andersonville.
Cool. Keep that family legacy alive by writing down every word he says. My grandma said something her parents told her about seeing a local return from a Southern POW camp. Physicians told the family to limit what he ate, and gradually increase the food because he could have killed himself by overeating. The real tragedy was the steamboat 'Sultana' exploding. Many of it's passengers were former Andersonville survivors. For them to survive that only to die on their way home is truly tragic. Many were still so weak they couldn't swim and drowned.
My great great grandfather was cut in half in a coal mine
He was still alive for ten minutes
Imagine the folks in the very back. I doubt they heard anything back there.
There like wtf is going on?
They were just there for the execution
I’m still baffled by the fact that none of the prisoners tried to at least take out the six lead Raiders. That would’ve probably put an end to their schemes due to the leaders being taken out.
Avalanche 041 you need to study your history alitte more the Yankees had a lot more hell holes for confederate prisoners like camp Douglas, elmair,point lookout where they killed
Robin Thomas ft. Delaware
deathstar gaming who deserved them?
2 of my relatives were in Pt. Lookout and Elmira
And they had the resources to feed and care for them ..the south was being torn thru sherman destroyed rail lines the south could barely feed them selves
@@chadwickmacarthur4760 Andersonville was a hell hole before Sherman had even captured Atlanta. There's no excuse for what either side did.
Not bad for a made for tv movie
CLuv Gettysburg was a made for TV movie, at the last minute they changed their minds
Ted Turner love's the War Between the States
This looks pretty well made.
"Federal army" is an odd way to say "United States Army."
That is what it was called.
Because the United States did not recognize the Confederacy as a legit gov't. In fact, no other country did, either.
The "Union" referred to all the states.
Most commonly, the US referred to the conflict as the War of Rebellion.
Its army was the Federal Army because it comprised regular units and volunteer forces.
However, the US Navy was always the US Navy.
But what about her emails????
paul meahan yum... buttery males
“I doth witnessed Baroness Clinton with a personal armoire of vellum documents titled most secret”
She send them to other men.
this was totally unexpected and just made my day.
Lol i heard the FBI read all 33000 Clinton Emails in 33 mins.
Amazing acting.
Dont read the comments, just a bunch of southern good ol boys sore assed cuz they lost the war.
libtard
Jedi Master Joe Found one
Well no shit, hell the Union was losing at first. They had to free the slaves and make them run up north only to join up with the military. Even after all that they paid them meager and gave them crap jobs. Hell the Union even offered Irish a "sweet deal", when they were suffering during the tato famine. They got off the boats and were conscripted immediately. Union only won because they begged, borrowed and stole from other countries around the world for soldiers.
Im not saying slavery was right, but if a particular state wanted slaves, let them have them and it would be an empty state for sure. This war was about rights, individual and the South was clear that they would not take those. They did, and that's why the first four amendments are being infringed on today.
Union soldiers died only to prolong the inevitable racial and social divide in this country. Freeing the slaves was an after thought to them. Their legacy is hollow.
@krump haahahahahaahhahahahahah
I have to say I do love the fact the prosecutor took the time to thank his opponent with grace and curtasy almost to say “men HE is not the enemy. He’s a good good union man jusy doing his job every is entitled to a defense.
yo is that Carmellas dad? lol
yes it is
Jordan I was waiting for him to tell the Defense attorney “Who do you think you are, Minister of Propaganda?”
Carmelas Father from The Sopranos as the prosecuting Yankee.
The trial was ok by com. Wurtz. He even gave them the wood to build the gallows but after the hangings they had to give the wood back, which they did.
Part of this was reshot several months later. Listen to the commentary on the DVD by John Frankenheimer. It's a very impressive listening experience about a very impressive reshoot. You can barely tell the difference!
Two of my Top 5 movies of all time, No 1 The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, No 4, Bad Company, Bridges, Lewis, Huddleston and Barry Brown. Think this film's even more of an insight into the American Civil.
We are no longer barbarians, god has nothing too do with someone who willingly gives someone else so another or more can live, but when something is taken that can help you live and those you wish too help then it's time for a fight.
This camp was appalling there was no reason for this kind of treatment on both sides they could have had the prisoners build shacks and build high water ways away from the ground out door area for showers etc...americans did it to the indians and they did it to their own what a shameful era
The only thing that’s not exactly 100% accurate about this scene, is that these ‘prisoners’ look too well fed.
Mad respect for Sgt. Hopkins. He made himself very unpopular, even hated, because he upheld his principles that EVERYONE, no matter who, is entitled to a fair trial and defense. And for that he suffered a great deal of scorn. In a lot of ways, the way this trial was conducted was extraordinary. They did not have officers, so they set a noncom as judge. They took care to empanel an impartial jury. They allowed a defense to be presented. They did not make this a drumhead trial or a kangaroo court. They upheld the rights of the accused as best as they could, even though every man in that camp except the jury knew exactly what they had done. It's something to be proud of.
Entitled to a defense. Not a bullshit defense. To stand up in front of the vast majority of men who didn't resort to serial murder and defend that very behavior--not just the few who willingly practiced it--is revolting.
@@charlesfaure1189 If it's the only defense you can come up with, you're entitled to present it. Whether or not the jury agrees is of course another thing.
As a Canadian.... what am I doing here?
As a Brit...same question
Looking for a leaf?
August 13
Have you seen my pet beaver?
Get outta here commie
You’re watching pure heroism
What is not said is prisoner exchanges were done earlier in the war. It was the North that stopped it.
Yep, cause the south was doing this even worse to black Americans. Want to stand on a moral high ground when defending people who fought a war over enslaving their fellow man?
The reason the North stopped doing this was two fold.
The South would not honor exchanges for Black soldiers.
Grant felt the exchanges simply continued the war by allowing the South to renew it's men. Grant knew the South would run out before the Union did so why give the South help.
I have never read a book that was so accurate with a film amazing
AGREE..
Federal prison camps weren't any better than confederate prison camps. I had family members on both sides of the war who were captured and sent to prison camps. 2 of my confederate ancestors almost froze/starved to death in union prison camps. The civil war was hell for everyone involved.
HOW TRUE YOU ARE...
Bayonette practice
Good ol unions standing their ground
Defense attorney is a goddamn American hero. To step up and accept the duty of providing these men with the best defense possible..
Knowing conviction and execution were undoubtedly coming, he still defended them fiercely....knowing he had to go on living amongst the rest of the prison population
Balls of brass on that man.
Not hero but brave
@@kingmalric9260Upholding democracy and American values against all odds? Pretty heroic if you ask me
What film is This?
Andersonville. An American Civil War Prisoner Of War Film from 1996.
Historical movies like these beat superhero movies any day these men where real heroes
Andersonville and no one talk about Elmira a Union run Prisoncamp with nearly the same death rate of 25% compared to the 28% in Andersonville
Camp Douglass
Secessionist lies what you would expect from the Treasonous South. Ft Sumter a sneak attack like Pearl Harbor.
@@BRuane-pw6xq
cmon "Billy Yank" use your Brain to think about facts
thats not a lie its the truth, the union starved the Confed POWs to death, there was enough food in the North but not in the south, the south had near wars end not enough to feed its own population and army and Shermans scorched earth tactic made the things worse, his army burned Citys, Villages, lifestock and crops, so nothings left for Billy Yank in the POW camps
Fort Delaware. Point Lookout
@@BRuane-pw6xq how is saying "if you don't leave, we will force you out" a sneak attack? It went on for months.
I get what the defendant is trying to say.
However, it's irrelevant to the case at hand. The 6 men are being tried for Murder, Theft, and Assault which they are absolutely guilty of.
If this was a hearing to determine whether they actually broke "the law" then his argument would actually hold some weight.
And this isn't even mentioning the fact that since every one of them are Union Soldiers, then everywhere they stand is technically Union held land and therefore applies to Union Law.
"It is a place without Civilization, it is a place without Law". Much the same could be said about most cities in America today. The FOUR THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED and FORTY-TWO people shot in Chicago last year alone would likely attest to that. Same for cities across the land. Law has ABANDONED the Law-Abiding, Justice is tainted and undermined for POLITICAL gain, and the Law-Abiding suffer under the boot of a BROKEN Justice system.
God bless the Union Army.
And The Great Hiram U Grant and THE Tecumseh
THE UNION FOREVER
God bless the union
@Confederate Cowboy
:D
i wish i lived in a land of cotton were Billy Yank`s bones are rotten.......................
Confederate Cowboy what are you talking about you are a yank. Yanks killed yanks that was the war
It is good to show the efforts needed for the defence to be heard; to understand why it was so important that it was; to grasp the dangers of an emotive and vocal mob.
Underrated movie 😞
AGREE..
Andersonville had a death rate of 28 %; Elvira in New York for Confederate POW's had a death rate of 25 %. The South offered to send the Union POW's back to the North because they could not feed them nor could they feed their own soldiers. When will we get a Movie on Rock Island or Elvira Prisons ?......Answer.......Never !
Its Elmira. And I agree with you. In a time when the confederates were having
trouble feeding their own army, they are going to feed their army before they feed any P.O.W's. We in the north, on the other hand, had no excuses.
@@mecallahan1 You are right. It is Elmira. I should have caught that. Thank you.
You lost and the stats you quote are fake news.
Thank you. There was no food in the South. It wasn't on purpose.
@@BRuane-pw6xq actually they're not. Want to see the graves?
I don't think Andersonville was open at the time of Antietam in 1862.
It wasn't. They moved prisoners
The construction began in February of 1864
If I have the name right it was cavalry raid by a man named Cushing late in 1863 that made the Richmond government realize that having the POWs so close to Union lines made their camps insecure. Again IIRC Andersonville was opened in March or April of 1864 and designed to hold 10,000 prisoners. It was enlarged and ultimately held around 30,000 at any one time.
Is that prosecutor Tony Soprano's father in law?
Yep. His voice told you...
Let the man talk, my goodness
Elmira and other POW camps for Confederates were no worse than Andersonville.
And?
Ahhh the whatabouts
most satisfying end to any movie, and sadly it was all real....
BEST KIND I THINK..
Summer 2017, I visited Andersonville National Historic Site. Anyone else been there?
I have visited the site several times in my life. I don’t live very far away. After each visit, I stop and ask myself, would I be mentally and physically survive there? One of the interesting spots is nearby the site...the tunnels that were dug by prisoners. You you can’t go inside the tunnels but you can look down into them.
@@kengrantham4176 Yeah, it would have sucked if I was a prisoner there.
My favorite Civil War movie. The best. No salad dressing on this one.
Where did they get those irons to bound the Raiders? Borrow them from the Rebels maybe?
Wirtz was a patsy for sure BUT he was also guilty of incredibly reckless and gross disregard for the lives of his prisoners...it’s good thing that he was hanged.
I get the impression that the North said Someone's going to pay for this, and Wirtz got picked.
@@VydioThe man in direct command of the camp does seem a logical choice.
As well as the easiest.@@konstantinosnikolakakis8125
The fact is that the absence of law does not permit lawlessness, rather it is lawlessness that require law to regulate it. When one chooses to commit crime upon their peers they have chosen to treat them as less than themselves. If this was not enough reason to convict then know that they chose to break not only the laws of man, but the laws of God by stealing from their fellow soldiers and killing them.
When you live in the conditions like they were in. Your hope and common decency can be broken. Some easier then others. You turn to survival and nothing else. However, they were trained. They were disciplined. They were hardened. They were soldiers. You should only break when your dead.
Fuck The Treasonous South. Cut their Ass loose, make them a 3rd World Nation , build a Wall around them , let them appoint Fat Donny Chump Dicktator for life and North seek Union with Canada. Lee and Davis should have been hanged and South occupied with a boot on their throat.
A Concentration Camp this should NEVER be forgotten . It is never taught in Secessionist History Books. South has been a drag on this Nation from the start. THE Union Forever, Down with the traitors.
The Battle Cry of Freedom !!
This Nation has never been a UNITED States and the stain of slavery and TREASON permanently divides the States.
Why did the one guy have the Green Sharpshooter jacket? Only one unit had those, and even that unit switched to Union Blue because they didn't have enough green jackets. I'm confused as to how a guy in a prison got a Green 1st "Berdan" Sharpshooter Regiment.
He stole it
He stole it it’s a badge of his criminal rank
@@hugosophy Ok but even then... Statistically speaking how in heck did one end up in the camp.
We love the south... Our lost brothers... Come back to the union!! Even today!
What
Are you effin serious? ??
Most were skin and bone
I visited Andersonville a few years ago. It's a most haunted place.
Wirz could have provided at least some shelter. He chose instead to expand the Prison even though they knew they could not feed, house, or care for the men.
Despite the malnourished union prisoners, the heavily populated Andersonville had more manpower to overrun the Confederate defenses three times over
So yeah, both sides fucked up. It was a civil war and neither side had any experience dealing with the large amount of prisoners taken. I like to believe they did the best they could but horrible shit still happened. Who is to blame? Everybody? Nobody? Who knows?
Definitely picked the right guy to be jury foreman!
Yankees Vs jonnie reb, that's the way it is! Long live the union - Grant, Sherman, and Lincoln!!
Yankey doodle dOo, dear South, we beat you
That was a hell hole for all those men.
defense lawyer's core argument is conservative morality in a nutshell- that law should determine morality, not morality determines law; that murder is wrong because its law, not because its an evil act. Just because there is no laws or law enforcement does NOT mean you can get away with what they did.
Oh really? That seems to be more of a moral relativity argument which is definitely the province of the liberal community.
Lol conservative morality? What you described is leftism. It's what leftists believe and do. It's never been more apparent than what's been happening the last 10-15 years.
Just gonna point out that Elmira was just as bad up north.
Actually worse and on purpose
John Anderson Seminole Wind We Know Who You Are no code here
Would it be accurate to compare Andersonville to a Concentration Camp?
THE Rebel armies coudnt feed their own soldiers.... no surprise yankke prisoners went hungry. NO COMPARISON TO THE NAZI CAMPS...
+Jake Mackie well said .
Mark Williams--- So were the British concentration camps in South Africa, and the Americans, for the Japanese civilians in America. Now, to the bloody ignoramus above me, get your head out of your arse and get an education.
Long Live Confederacy Death of Yankees Pro Rebels Anti-U.s.a
Reason Andersonville got so bad and over crowd because Grant ended prisoner exchange because confederate murdered black soldiers that why it got so bad
The victor writes the history, but the Elmira, NY Confederate POW camp was just as bad if not worse.
It's worse because they did it on purpose. The South had no food to feed anyone.
jed4426 don’t start a war when you can’t feed your army
Here come the Chinese! We need your help - the north and the south -together! That's the future!!
We don't need to fear the Chinese. With the latest election, I'm afraid Lincoln is going to be proved right when he said that if America falls, it'll fall from within.