The Magic of Tube Microphones! - Marc Daniel Nelson
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the magic of Tube Microphones. Join him in this fireside chat as he breaks down his personal
experiences with a vast array of microphones.
C12 by AKG
AKG’s C12 is one of the best-known tube condenser microphones in history. It is a side-address, large-diaphragm design based on AKG’s CK12 capsule, a 6072 dual-triode glass tube, and a transformer-coupled output circuit.
Telefunken ELA M 251 (AKG made)
Arguably one the most beautiful microphones ever produced, the TELEFUNKEN ELA M 251E has been featured on countless hits and classic recordings over the decades. Today, prime examples of vintage ELA M 250 / 251 (both “E” and “non E”) microphones have become rare and highly sought after jewels, commanding tens of thousands of dollars on the vintage market.
Neumann M50
The Neumann M50 is a pressure-type microphone with non-directional characteristics. After its introduction in 1950, the outstanding tonal quality and omnidirectional pattern of the Neumann M50 made it the gold standard for the recording of symphony orchestras, either with the single-microphone technique, a stereo pair, or the Decca Tree for three-track recordings.
Neumann M49
The M49 has a dual-diaphragm design, which allowed it to become the first condenser microphone with a remotely switchable pickup pattern having constant sensitivity: the psu doubles as a pattern selector, with a continuously-variable potentiometer for choosing cardioid, omni-directional, figure-eight or any position in-between the three.
Neumann U67
The U 67 was developed to replace the venerable U 47 as the company’s flagship large-diaphragm condenser. The U 67 is incredibly versatile. No source is off limits; its high SPL handling, ruler-flat frequency response, detailed midrange, and sweet, velvety character with a hint of delicate airiness make it a first-call mic for drums, piano, acoustic and electric guitars, strings, woodwinds, brass, percussion, and vocals.
Neumann M269
The M 269 is a large-diaphragm, multipattern tube condenser microphone. It is a variation of the Neumann U-67, developed as a way to sell the U-67 to the German broadcast market.
Neumann U47
The Neumann U 47 is the granddaddy of large diaphragm condenser microphones and features a legendary sound that has captured the vocal stylings of the greatest singers in the modern era. The Beatles used it to great effect, as did Frank Sinatra. From Ella to Adele, the Kingston Trio to the King of Pop, the vocal sounds of jazz and rock, folk and pop would not be the same without a U 47 in the studio.
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How do you choose your microphones?
Just try and listen using the ones that we happen to have in hand
Alas, so far according to their financial capabilities. I want to buy something, but the amount for me is still unaffordable.
@@efnerva664 I just grab the nearest one and eq it until it sounds the way I like.
I bought the sE2200 because it was my understanding that Amy Winehouse used one. My wife Linda has a similar tone so I thought it would make sense that she (Linda) would sound good! 😃 I was right. And they all lived happily ever after!........
Listen to the source and then select a mic that I think might work to enhance certain aspects of what I am hearing from the source.
I sold almost everything i had to fund a vintage 1963 u67 and it was the best decision i ever made.. i have one vocal mic
I absolutely LOVE these videos with Marc!!! Thank you so much PLaP for doing these and thank you Marc!
Thank you for introducing Marc Daniels material to me. I truly enjoy his content
Marc is the best! This channel is the best! Thank you so much Warren and Marc!
Love how you talk about them. You can really transmit your passion. Great Video!
I think this is the first video that he smiles. Love watching these lessons!
More power!
Thanks again, Marc, really enjoy your chats. I also love tube mics for the same reasons you state. I know there are lots of affordable tube/clones out there today, but I discovered Advanced Audio and now have about 6 of their models, which are tributes to U47, U67, C12, and more. All are excellent quality for price and it's nice to have a choice to match the right mic with a singer, e.g. U47 for more presence, U67 to tame harshness, C12 for 'air' on a female vocal, etc. Highly recommended.
Beautifully summarized, thank you. Let the search begin!
That’s just great.
Just when I had myself convinced that I didn’t need a U47...
Check the Vanguard v13. To my ears it’s pretty darn close. I don’t own one, but check audio test kitchen.
That outro was gorgeous... i was laying down listening to your eview... the closing words of passion alone were awesome - and then comes that cinematic vintage cue. Masterful. I feel rejuvenated.
Not vintage! I recorded it 2 years ago :)
@@marcdanielnelson317 I thought so - which makes it even better. I meant the emotion it triggered in me (although "vintage " isn't really emotion). Took me to a time & space..rather.
This guy is a wealth of info! Always look forward to what he has to say.
Marc pegged good tube mics correctly. Marc and Warren have their communication skills down to an uncanny science. I was working in a Studio with a standard U87 26 yrs ago when I first bought a tube mic...and I actually thanked God for the mic. Picked up the Lauten Eden tube mic bit over a year ago and it has different character settings on the mic, so it works great on just about any source. Have an old Rode Tube Classic 1 and still love that one. Both are quiet enough to record classical guitar or voice overs. Noise is what I noticed on cheap tube mics...I fixed noise issues on tracks from cheap tube mics weekly from other studios.
Awesome Jeff.. just super. 🕺🏼🕺🏼
Great video , one of my all time favourite microphones is the SE Electronic Gemini II . As you say here it’s 3 dimensional and has such a wide scope with amazingly rich frequency response. I love it for vocals , Bass , drums guitars acoustics Cello double bass rooms
I have modified it a bit changing valves a few capacitors and it still beats most other mics . I had an AKG solid tube one to, decent mic and very underrated
I don't own any tube mics but I'd love to build one of those Microphone Parts C12 mics. One day!
Fantastic
Me too
@@impulseproman I Just got the platinum edition V-251 from mic parts and from what I can hear on Audio kitchen it sounds just like a 251. I'm very impressed
Wow this is perfect timing I've been looking to purchase my first tube Mic so now I can get some information thank you Mark Daniel Nelson!
Marc’s videos are awesome. Please keep them coming
Great video! Thanks again for giving us so many learning experiences!
Your passion and knowledge about tube mics was inspiring! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for this. Loving the content. We need more of this!
This is an incredibly useful video. We just had a remarkable experience with Bill Schnee mixing our upcoming single. The man is, quite simply, a genus.
This is gold. I fell in love with tubes in the 90's. I had no choice - because digital without it sounds like shit. I have given this a lot of philosophical thought. I'll tell you why tube mics and tube pres make everything magic. And that is saturation. Harmonic saturation is life itself. Period. Without it, forget it. That is all. Don't fight it, don't question it, don't argue. Just immerse yourself in it.
Whats ur thoughts on solid state recording and then saturation in the box? Also, if we use saturated recordings, then add colored compressors and eqs in the box, is it possible to oversaturate the recording?
@@puvididdle Only your ears know. I'm sure it is possible. But you don't record a vocal with 5 tube mics and blend them all together, right? You use one. You use what is appropriate and sounds right to you. It is the accumulation of subtlties that makes the magic, it seems to me.
Right on Gregor
Is there a good clone for a good price of the u47 ?
Best tube mic under 2000 for folk songwriter vocals - think damien rice?
I own a Rode NTK which is beautifully made in Australia & sounds wonderful!
“Three dimensional “ . Thats a great description of the sound of a great tube mic. I started engineering in the ‘80’s in a studio with an awesome mic locker. I don’t miss splicing tape, but I really miss those mics!
I have no idea what does that mean. What does 3 dimensional mean? What are the dimensions?
@@aileaiho768 left right is panning, up down is high low frequencies and close far is, uhm, balanceof highs to lows, that makes your brain think the sound is distant (?)
Yea sounds just a tad pretentious to me too
@ This mic is mono, so panning out of the question. I mean, I can imagine more detailed recording can make your brain imagine more details, including the position of the source in a room, I just can't think why would anybody call this as 'more 3d sound'.
Hi guys.. Not pretentious at all. Maybe if I said something like you have to have this 20K mic to get this sound. and clearly referenced a few 500 dollars mics in here to compare. I am speaking in terms of what a tube does to the signal. and what I mean by that is when recording say vocals with a tube mic vrs a solid state mic, time and time again the vocal sounds like its floating in between the speakers. Perhaps i could have used a different word other than 3D but honestly thats how I hear things..
@@aileaiho768 Holographic.
Thanks for taking the time Mark.
So cool to see the Sheffield Lab/Mastering Lab mic mentioned. I grew up listening to those D2D albums and they still sound incredible.
Spreading the word my dude.. :)
I bought a Neumann M147 in 2000 and love it. Great on vocals, Bass guitar, overheads and rooms.
Really interesting and useful video Marc. Top stuff.
Shoot you guys. Just purchased a vintage Neumann CMV 563 off of Reverb because of this video. But it's gorgeous and comes with 2 different original capsules for $3,800!
UPDATE: 2 months later and this microphone SLAYS. It's a little bit thinner in the low end compared to both of my u47's, but the information is definitely there and can be brought out with EQ if needed. Since it has a more natural high-passed sound to it, I've been using it on acoustic guitars and backup vocals mostly, and I love it so much. Vocals stack so elegantly without a lot of lower mid buildup. They just sound super clean and alive. Definitely a great purchase based off a great recommendation, I was not familiar with this mic previous to this video.
Thanks so much Marc. I'm a nut for mics as well. I don't own any high-dollar vintage mics. But I do have a pair of GrooveTube Am61's and I always reach for them for lead vocals. Thanks again.
One of my gear goals is to get the new Rupert Neve RNT tube mic from Se Electronics. It runs about $2500.00 and has received great reviews.
I appreciate this talk. I want to have a few good tube mics for my locker and came away with some great tips. Thank you!
I have recorded VO with the Neumann M49 and the mic preamp was a Chandler Germanium. The sound seemed to sound in three dimensions as you say. For me was like I was floating on top of a very large reverb. There was no need to process that! I have a Neumann u67 and it sounds great too. And it depends on the mic preamp, the room and the tube I use it the sound changes… Great video!
I'm a bass singer. I found the C12-A (not the C12) to be incredible on my voice. It captures transients super fast, and when pushed hard, it doesn't get boxy. I haven't tried it on anything else, unfortunately.
I love the U67 and M269C. (I don't know of anyone who doesn't.) Great on literally anything and everything. Can get a little bit boxy if I push it hard when singing, but absolutely brilliant!
Great video with a lot of knowledge that feels genuine and passionate. Great tube microphones of the recent era are very expensive, let alone the vintage offerings that I researched in a U48 at the financeable price of 32,000....lord have mercy. With that being said I also hope in the near future that the digital to analog pairing of hardware will offer a wider selection of authentic vintage tube mic emulation software for the common musician on a budget to enjoy these wonderful character tone of vintage tube microphones that are just about unattainable to most. Always looking forward to the next video journey of how the music that we cherish was created and the tools to achieve it!
Great video. I didn't know anything about the special pattern configuration of the M50. Very good information. I love to learn something new.
The AT4060 are hard to find in Germany. I always wanted to try out one. I guess it's time to find one and give it a shot :-)
Thank you, Marc and Warren.
Amazing as always man!
Great info, Marc. I'm on the hunt for the Solidtube as I type this. Cheers!
4:32 what a monumentally eye (ear!) opening revelation: that using one mic on many sources will cause a frequency build-up because the EQ curve is the same each time. I never even considered that in the 30+ years I've been involved in writing/recording/performing. I knew certain mics excelled in certain applications but never thought about frequency build-up, similar to a room mode build-up, when using one mic to record everything with. I always believed a small selection of good quality mics is essential but also believed in the possibility that having one amazing mic would be good. I still want one amazing mic, but now I know that having mics that compliment each other in the final mix is an important consideration as well. Thank you, thank you!!
Exactly!
Like someone commented on another video... "I see a video by Marc Daniel Nelson.. I instantly watch it and hit the Thumbs Up button"
It's true... I've learned so much from this dude. Every video of his is awesome! Thanks Marc!
Absolutely!!
Thanks, Paul! Having fun making them
@@marcdanielnelson317 Hi Marc, I just received my ATC 45s, thanks again for the suggestion. I ordered them right before they went up $1500. QUESTION, you mentioned to put them on their back and do the quarter trick to check the phase using a plugin. If the phase were off, what would be the long-term solution, being there is no phase button on these monitors?
As a side note, I know you said 6 feet is a good distance, in the room I am in, the best I can do is a little less than 5. I have an adam sub10 with them, I am hoping this is good enough as it’s the best I can do at the moment.
Thanks for all your great content!
-Chad
@@WhereAreWe7 Youll be fine. Just have fun setting it up. If you feel they are firing out of phase then i would suggest getting xlr cables reversed.
@@marcdanielnelson317 I tried them for the first time last night. I have never heard such clarity from any speakers, ever! Wow. I cranked them and went in the other room at one point and I could hear details I have never heard before, even from another room. We are so blessed to have monitors like these!!! Thanks again for all of your work! You do a great job teaching, I always look forward to Make. Mine. Music. 👍
I honestly love the mixing on ur video. Every youtuber just puts the mic right at their face. Tbh their sound is just annoying, like someone speaking directly into your brain cells. That tiny bit of room in your audio is just 👌🏾The gate release 👌🏾
ur video editing is great too. No more random close up cuts. Im just fully immersed in what the video is about.
Maybe u can do a tutorial to help with podcast and voice recording for videos. Im sure that will be relevant and helpful to many. Especially on TH-cam.
I imagine a future with no dry and booming, podcast and tutorial audio.
The only tube microphone(s) I've owned were Neumann M149s, which worked wonderfully on nearly everything. Not a vintage sound, I don't think, but clear and deep.
That's why I built a clone of an ELAM 251, because I wanted that tube mic sound, but couldn't afford it.
How did it turn out? Thinking about getting one from mic parts
@@witnessthewrath8061 The one I built was indeed a kit from MicParts. It turned out great! It sounds amazing! Immeasurably better than my other cheap condenser mics. In figure of eight, the back side sounds a bit darker than the front side, but I usually use it cardioid anyway. It's not too difficult, but I wouldn't recommend the ELAM 251 kit for a beginner. The circuitry is simple enough, but wiring up the transformer and the tube and capsule is trickier than say, building a stomp box, where the circuitry might be more complex, but it's a single circuit board with a simpler housing than a mic cylinder.
Yes!! Love your vids man!
Love tube mics. I first discovered them when we did a shoot out between a borrowed Soundelux U95 and a 414 buls. The U95 was so euphonic compared to the 414, we couldn’t let it leave the studio. We bought it on the spot. Tube mics, for me, are especially great on vocals. Recording digitally, they can be at times too harmonic on things like cymbals and other bright sources.
Here’s a good mic shoot out for you try any good or great condenser mics on overheads compared to any high-quality low mass (that is at or less than 1.8 µm) ribbon microphone, I suggest something like a pair of Varicoustic RCA Ribbon Mics on drum overheads. Becides never being “to harmonic” on the brightness, which all condenser mics are except maybe some that they are now trying to have sound more like ribbon mics ironically, the ribbons also move freely in a way diaphragm mics can’t because of backing plates and other architectural considerations. This adds 'shape' to the sound that’s unique to ribbons.
@@TiqueO6 I wish I had a pair of Coles for this purpose! Always love the sound of them on OHs.
@@gordongurley3982 Yes, I need to re-ribbon my coles! I might ask Stephen Sank what the thinnest micron could be for them, get that super delicate transient response ribbons are so great for, I have one or 2 mics he put 1.1µm ribbons in and they're phenomenal!
@@gordongurley3982 I've been micing whole multi mic (up to 8 or so) drumsets with all-ribbons and it's just great if you choose the right ones (BK5s for close in) and position safely...the sound is so shapely in all ways!
Telefunken 251 is an amazing mic. Had the opportunity to use it a fair bit in the old days. Mainly on vocals. That and a remake of the C12. Not as good as the original but still pretty tasty. Dang... miss recording studios. :(
the tattoo speaks "volumes" ! thanks for the primer
Great channel with outstanding information and mic history, I love Flea Mic's as well and and use a Neumann U67 Reissue with an upgraded 806S Tube,
Really respect your opinion on music & recording. Thanks so much
Thanks ever so much! I really appreciate it
I really enjoyed this, thanks!
Thanks Marc, great stuff
Thank you so much for the new video with Marc Daniel Nelson. I think I can listen this man and learn from his experience and skills 24/7!!
I'm wondering what he would say about software modeling microphones vs. original tube microphones? For example Slate Digital 251 vs. original 251, because he is the right person to try to compare. And please, could you be kind and make one more mixing video with Marc Daniel Nelson from start to end and also maybe how Marc doing mastering on song for CD and how for streaming services on same song. (InTheBox of course :) )
Great Video! 📻 Explained very well
I have the pleasure of hanging out with the top engineer at Capitol in the early 2000’s for a bit and one of the cool stories was about to mics, a shocking story though, was about when the first transistor mics were coming in one could go out to the dumpster and hopefully pick out some of the beautiful Telefunken and such tube mics that were being tossed away! Of course the early transistor mics sounded horrible and we went through those very late 60s early 70s. when everything started sounding so tinny and terrible.
Thankfully they did hang onto their old ribbon mics for the reliability aspect and the fact that they sounded just so great. Also my dad who used to play drums and percussion there for people like Frank Sinatra and Nelson Riddle and such and hundreds of other sessions had a funny story about them playing a trick on the engineers where they would blow cigarette smoke into a ribbon Mike, usually the big old 44s and yell for the engineer to come in, i’m sure the engineers were not very amused that cigarette smoke was depositing on the ribbon and such, might’ve contributed to the “warm“ sound of some of those mics though!
Absolutely i do agree that all ! I`d build a C12 Clone and also i use an AKG Solidtube with a self made mod - good Sound !
I enjoyed this piece and I find his passion refreshing! Cant wait my U-47 custom coming tomorrow! GREAT PIECE! Your a character I'd love to meet you someday your my type of Geek in a very good way!
We have a significant mic set of locker, of about 340 mic’s, and the Neumann M149 for tubes on PCM or tape, and the Sanken CUX 100-K for ultra pristine DSD256+ or PCM 192K+ are our two stands-out in the largest number of artists/clients’ opinions… and generally ours as well.
Tremendous descriptions, excellent presentation !
Only the forced advert pushed me away, but appreciate the perspective on these microphones
not a mic connoisseur but i really enjoyed this...the passion is amazing
I have a avatone c12 tube mic...loveit. It's not a vintage real deal but for my budget it's great.
The technica 4060 I saw was about $1700 is that the one your talking about?
I am very happy with both my Rode NTK and K2. Believe it or not : the NTK sounds stellar on Bassdrum......
enjoyable video,I'm really happy when i see this guy,i always learn something new
Thank you, Mio. Nice of you to say.
@@marcdanielnelson317 oooh no Mark,thank u for sharing a vibe and words that i can understand,everything u say is simple and it makes a great impact on me,i don't just learn it,i understand it,that is a huge difference
So convincing with his voice alone.
Super interesting Daniel thanks for these videos, they are always the highlight of my day. By the way what’s the music at the end. Absolutely stunning.
I've used the old AT 4050 CM5 for years but have been intending to pick up a good tube mic for awhile. I may easily go for the 4060. I wasn't really aware of it; thanks for speaking about it here.
They are amazing.
I have a groove tubes GT66. It is legit my favorite mic for vocals.
Great video! I’m learning stuff. 😃
Ilove that you love the solidtube. It's my favourite mic.
Great vid Son. Well you have got some Knowledge going on in your head. I thought passion before you said it yourself. If you own all those microphones. Can I come and live in your garden or shed. Man do me a favour write a book on microphones. It would be fantastic. You had me captivated. May you live long and prosper.
His chin is just magical
Fascinating stuff. Thank you.
Thanks ever so much!
Thanks for making sense of this, I own two 4060 they are awesome and I also got a modded solid tube, glad im barking up teh right tree mics wise without spending the $10K required for the vintage stuff.
Right on Jason.
Out of the hundred or so mics I've been through my Rode K2 is still my go to for most things.
This is what i was looking for !
Awesome awesome discussion! Youve sent me down another rabbit hole ! Thank you!😂😆🤣😂. So no TUBE mic pre WILL Do?
My first tube/valve microphone was the Royer from tape op magazine
I’m very excited to see my AT4060 reviewed! It’s my only tube mic, bought new in the 90s. I think it was $1,300 incl tax and I was seriously questioning my sanity! I still LOVE that mic and use it mostly on vocals, acoustic guitar etc. Ah, all those high end mics… it’s like chasing unicorns for most peoples’ budgets. “One day” I always say!
you still want to upgrade after having AT4060? also I checked the price, currently $1,700, but he said $600 in the video!
Great video! I've started building up a mic locker to cover several applications. Have my eye on a couple U47 and 251 tube clones. :)
Great music on the outro of that video.
Using a Beesneez Lulu, tube SDC. Australian company using New old stock 60s tubes and capsules made at home by hand. Neumann km54 style I think.
Put these on your toms and its all done. So cheap only 500 per mic. 3d very much.....beautiful punch. I have a royer 121 and this sits in the same high end quality for sure.
Fantastic podcast
Thanks ever so much!
Great stuff Marc -- the only tube mic I have is a Chameleon Labs TS-2 (purchased used for a very nice price) that does work well for several sources, in particular mono drum room and acoustic guitar. It's good for vocals too but just depends the type of music/song. Would LOVE to own a U-47 but,....alas.....
I just recently discovered my love of tube mics when I started listening to more mic shootouts on youtube. When I get my next mic, it's gonna be a tube :) (most likely WA-251)
One of my favorite records of all time is Jellyfish Spilt Milk, which was recorded at Schnee’s studio. I’m very curious about the console and the room.
Custom console designed by Bill and Toby Foster. Mastering Lab preamps out in the room running line level back in to the control room. Room was magic. Just listen to "Brighter Day" when the toms come in.. MAGIC
I want one... Thanks Marc
Very useful information!
I have rode K2 that I replaced the capsule and I replaced the some coupling capacitors
Great knowlegeable video for peofessinal recording studios.
Hey Marc, love these videos you do, the ducking reverb one was awesome, like a reverb version of the dynamic delays in a tc2290.
Always been intrigued with tube mics but never bought one as I am only a home recording enthusiast. I use a Tubetech mmc1a with a neumann tlm170 (first release) for a mid focused female alto/soprano. Do you think moving to a tube mic would give much of a difference compared to the kit I am currently using?
This was great
...But RIBBONS!!
Ribbons go places no mics do go!
Ribbons and small diaphragm omnidirectional Condenser mics are the most natural sounding microphones in the world!
Ah yes! The only 'real microphones' as some of us like to say.
Hey Marc or Warren, any thoughts on the Brauner FET microphones? I know their tube line is amazing, but I also heard the FET series is quite exceptional.
Dallas Upton makes an incredible 251 recreation if its in anyones budget. Highly recommend
Now to say the thing that is perhaps contentious… fun to hear your thoughts on the modeling mics. 😵💫
I enjoy your channel! Could you tell me how you created that distorted guitar sound on your intro? Amazing!
This has to be the only video about how microphones sound that doesn't include audio examples. ;-)
what a greaet report ~~! nice
I would recommend T.bone SCT 2000 from Thoman! Warm tube mic that comes with a powersupply. Used it for talking voice, but heard it works great for drums aswell. Got it for only 230 euro!
Would love to see a discussion/analysis of tube/ribbon mics, I don’t see enough options out there for these models that are high-quality and low noise enough, if we did have them I think people would start to get the picture of the ribbons and the unique architecture involved in that kind of element design that allows the element to move much more freely in the air, this gives a truer sound which we can now afford to record because of the transparency in our signal path as compared to the old days where pre-emphasis was so important to prevent signal loss especially in the highs. Now ironically, and tragically, the signal loss is in the hearing-loss that people are experiencing from a lifetime of listening to overly loud and overly brightly recorded music! (And sound effects soundtracks etc.)
Investigate the ROYER tube ribbon mikes (R-122v and SF-24v) They are expensive but very nice. (My apologies for blowing my own horn)
@@davidroyer5049 hi David, thanks for the reply, I really appreciate you and your companies efforts in promoting and , I've been collecting ribbon mics since 1998, I prefer the lighter weight ribbons 1.8 µm and below, they just seem much more detailed and sweet especially in the high-end sound wise, I realize that the heavier ones are both more durable and easier to install/replace but I think there's a trade-off in sound quality.
I do hope to audition the SF 24, I will look for some Sound samples, maybe you can steer me in that direction?
I remember the green substrate of the elam 251 that would be dusty like old bakelite