Be sure to check out the Mystery of Mallory and Irvine PLAYLIST on Everest Mystery, where you'll find a ton of great content. Here's the link: th-cam.com/play/PLwmpwZ6gVdGy03uHt2aYVqJrc7gXFfPBP.html
I came to this after the stream. I live in the UK and 20 odd years ago I had the honour of meeting Captain Noel in his cottage on Romney marsh. He was a true gentleman even his advanced years. Not only was he the last man to see Irvine and Mallory but he did so many other incredible things. He was such an incredible adventurer. I had always had an interest in everest but that meeting just fueled the fire. Enjoy your content so thank you
What a wonderful experience it must have been to meet him! My mentor Bradford Washburn was friends with him and they talked very often about the last sighting of M&I. Thanks so much for watching! Great having you here
Thank you so much for brightening up my day. I'm getting long on the tooth... I've always enjoyed the Everest story since I was in a very young man and your channel has really fleshed out the mystery of that mountain.
I have just come in late, sorry Thom - I'm from Australia so get confused about time differences, lol, - but have to say it was as fascinating as any given video you've already uploaded! One thing that always gives me pause for thought is how the world sees all the tragic events on Everest very differently to those who are actually on it, and so our perspective is often skewed, being the observer's misunderstanding of the conditions climbers are forced to endure in the death zone completely. There is simply no comparison of our form of thinking to those on the mountain...what is deemed appalling to us on the ground, on Everest climbers are walking a tightrope between death and triumph, and leaving the bodies up there, doesn't mean one isn't affected or traumatized when confronted with a deceased climber. As for getting a body down, it's a risk for everyone involved. All climbers know this before going up, so death is something you acknowledge and understand before pulling on your boots to head up this behemoth of a mountain. Its sad & tragic, but it should be a pre-climb pre- requisite to have your affairs in order, your insurance reviewed and up to date, and the sobering but practical acceptance that it's possible you won't be coming home. Many thanks to youThom...the content is above reproach and very important in teaching the younger kids coming up thru the ranks, to gain a better idea of Everest and if it's in the mind of one, it's a split second to being in the minds of many others others...
Sharon, you are absolutely on point....truly razor sharp insight into how the idea of what takes place up there is viewed completely differently from sea level. I truly appreciate your support of the channel and always interested in reading your comments....thank you!
I love your channel. Thanks so much. The fact that you saw Mallory's face, that he looked the same--that his body was a human time capsule is fascinating. It is disheartening that the camera may be gone forever. Though I used to believe they made it, the more I watch and learn, I hate to say my thoughts are moving in the other direction. Though I'd be so happy to be wrong! Keep making these videos!!
How wonderful to be free of regrets. I regret what I have not done. Not so much what I have done. I love your videos. I can live a bit vicariously. Thanks so much!
... as a German Biologist - my first impression after the Photos of Mallory - Was the broken Rope facing Upwards - or Downwards? Did Mallory Abseil Irving - Irving first to go down? Did the rope brake from Load and Rock friction - facing Downwards? then Irvine would have fallen down the mountain - his body mangled...I wondered - was Irvine weak, tired, injured - so Mallory tried in a Haste to get back to the tent as fast as possible by Abseiling Irvine When Irvine was injured on the Ascent - I think - Mallory would have turned back FAST - to save Irvine - Irvine would have survived - by NOT going with Mallory Mallory may have reached the top alone.. a romantic Mystery for eternity. Highly Addictive!
Mallory's body was found facing in toward the mountain and up toward the ridge top. His arms were spread out from the shoulder almost as if he was trying to self arrest a slide. The reamins of a rope were found a round his waist and a second closer examination of his body on the mountain revealed bruising around his waist and lower rib cage consistent with sudden high load strain such as a climber would endure when a climber to whom he is roped falls and pulls the first climber down as well. These injuries could only have ocurred prior to death. The rope was old fashioned natural rope not modern climbing rope. There is no way to tell exactly how the fall happened - who fell first or who pulled who down or when the fall occurred.
Hi Thom. Sorry this is a little off topic but I just learned your cat’s name is Simba. I found this very interesting because we have a cat named Simba too and he looks exactly like your Simba. Thought that was pretty cool and we are wishing both Simba’s to have great health for a long time to come.
Very good Thom, thank you. I think you do a good job of personalizing this drama. Having said that it’s hard to imagine that the discovery of Irvine’s remains can solve the ultimate question. Unless of course had his remains been found on the opposite side of the mountain 😉
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Hey I really enjoy all this. I am 75 so I’m not doing anything like this any time soon ! But I can’t get enough. Mallory and Irvine are at the top of my list in so many ways. Not enough space to time to go into it. But I would like to hear more detail about looking up at Mallory. Also describe and put in order step one step and step three. Difficulty etc and is step three and Hilary’s step the same ? Thanks Mike 😎
listening to Odell an expert climber and geologist, no doubt about what he saw, So very probably they made it to the summit very late that day. Going on the steps of norton, and the ways suggested by him, zig zag or couloir. More over as said by 1933 team member, in past interview, the iceaxe was felt as the place of an accident. probably they were exausted, at night, without oxygen (the body of mallory was found without bottle as far as i know) and Irvine fell directly to his death, from the ridge. Mallory tried then to go down slope to rescue him, but also had an accident and broke his leg. Because as explained by the famous climber jake norton, the long distance from the ridge and the state of the body of mallory is not consistent with a direct fall... i hope oneday new clues will appear
Great video Thom, you mentioned Mallory's head injury probably caused by a rock fall, his daughter Frances married Physiologist Glenn Millikan and he unfortunately died in exactly this way while climbing Buzzard Roost in Tennessee in 1947. Cheers from England
Who were the first climbers to reach the summit on Mount Everest is a burning question. We know who the first climbers were who did summit Everest and made a successful decent. But, Mallory and Irvine, 300 feet or 100 yards from the summit when last seen, "Did they reach the top, did Mallory achieve his last quest, third time lucky along with Sandy Irvine of being the first climbers to reach the top.Sir Edmund said it himself, "I and Norgay were the first to reach the top and make it back down". Indeed a great climbing first for them, and we congratulate them, but "Who wore the boots first'. Will Sandy Irvine's boot tell the story?
I don't think they botched the camera. It is history and they knew that. Unless they didn't want those pictures known. Thank you Tom for all you do to bring us this material.
29:20 What if, instead of a cold call, and I'm sure you know him, could you soften the asking with a letter and a gift? Allow him space to comment randomly, without it coming back on him. This is sensitive with the Chinese/Tibetans obviously religiously and many beliefs fear the dead. Could you send a gift, in a letter, and give him a chance to think?
Now we know for sure Irvine fell with Mallory coming below the yellow band very late in the dark coming not from the ridge route that was impossible for any person at the time but coming from a long day trying to find a way to the summit on the Norton colouir not finding and coming back very late and tired and both took a fall and Irvine fell above Mallory but with time and avalanches came down to the bottom of glacier not taken or pushed by any Chinese not in the 1974 and not in the 90s. Very simple and clear now to write history. Cheers to all and for your channel as you are very honest and assertive about all facts not fiction.
Agreed, they came down after dark, they went up near the color. If Odell spotted them “going strong for the top” at 12:45pm, they undoubtedly made it to the summit.
Hey thank you for watching! Great having you here! It's all speculation as to the route they took, nothing is certain (despite what a vocal minority insist). There is an equal and perhaps even greater likelihood they took the ridge route, which is what Mallory had always intended. It's also very possible that they turned back after the storm covered the mountain and lost their footing well before darkness set in. The discovery does tell us that Sandy is down there, on the Rongbuk, and that brings some element of relief and supports that Mark Synnott, Jamie McGuinness and I have said not to waste one's money by searching upon the mountain for him. Although, of course, we could be wrong too, as it was only a foot they found! FASCINATING STUFF INDEED! Thanks again
Yes, absolutely....there is a good possibility. That crevasse would move downhill, and eventually open up, although it might be another 100 years. Thanks for watching!
@@EverestMystery May I ask a follow up question? Have you ever seen a replica of the Kodak VPK camera? I had always thought about buying one on eBay just to experiment with the picture quality and development. The holy grail of Everest! 📷
@@EverestMystery it’s a pleasure . So pleased he has been partially found . But I am sure I read in either I’ll climb Everest Alone, or in one of the Everest books on Maurice Wilson that the Shipton team, after extracting his diary, wrapped him in his tent and sent him down a glacier… so I’m not sure how he would have been in a foetal position… but what do I know ? Thanks for a great channel .
Be sure to check out the Mystery of Mallory and Irvine PLAYLIST on Everest Mystery, where you'll find a ton of great content. Here's the link: th-cam.com/play/PLwmpwZ6gVdGy03uHt2aYVqJrc7gXFfPBP.html
I came to this after the stream. I live in the UK and 20 odd years ago I had the honour of meeting Captain Noel in his cottage on Romney marsh. He was a true gentleman even his advanced years. Not only was he the last man to see Irvine and Mallory but he did so many other incredible things. He was such an incredible adventurer.
I had always had an interest in everest but that meeting just fueled the fire.
Enjoy your content so thank you
What a wonderful experience it must have been to meet him! My mentor Bradford Washburn was friends with him and they talked very often about the last sighting of M&I. Thanks so much for watching! Great having you here
Thank you so much for brightening up my day. I'm getting long on the tooth... I've always enjoyed the Everest story since I was in a very young man and your channel has really fleshed out the mystery of that mountain.
So glad I stumbled on your live! I've been fascinated with Mallory & Irvine for decades.
I love seeing Simba!! 🐈 Love your channel too. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge with us.
Commenting from Jasper, Alberta. I'm not a climber but I love your channel. Great work man!
I have just come in late, sorry Thom - I'm from Australia so get confused about time differences, lol, - but have to say it was as fascinating as any given video you've already uploaded!
One thing that always gives me pause for thought is how the world sees all the tragic events on Everest very differently to those who are actually on it, and so our perspective is often skewed, being the observer's misunderstanding of the conditions climbers are forced to endure in the death zone completely. There is simply no comparison of our form of thinking to those on the mountain...what is deemed appalling to us on the ground, on Everest climbers are walking a tightrope between death and triumph, and leaving the bodies up there, doesn't mean one isn't affected or traumatized when confronted with a deceased climber. As for getting a body down, it's a risk for everyone involved. All climbers know this before going up, so death is something you acknowledge and understand before pulling on your boots to head up this behemoth of a mountain. Its sad & tragic, but it should be a pre-climb pre- requisite to have your affairs in order, your insurance reviewed and up to date, and the sobering but practical acceptance that it's possible you won't be coming home.
Many thanks to youThom...the content is above reproach and very important in teaching the younger kids coming up thru the ranks, to gain a better idea of Everest and if it's in the mind of one, it's a split second to being in the minds of many others others...
Sharon, you are absolutely on point....truly razor sharp insight into how the idea of what takes place up there is viewed completely differently from sea level. I truly appreciate your support of the channel and always interested in reading your comments....thank you!
Hi from Las Vegas. I always look forward to your lives. Im not even a climber! I just love mountains
Thanks for your interesting takes and the work you do for mountaineering.
Wow, Thom, you're so lucky to have met John Mallory!
I love your channel. Thanks so much. The fact that you saw Mallory's face, that he looked the same--that his body was a human time capsule is fascinating. It is disheartening that the camera may be gone forever. Though I used to believe they made it, the more I watch and learn, I hate to say my thoughts are moving in the other direction. Though I'd be so happy to be wrong! Keep making these videos!!
It's called recreational archeology.
Just watched back the stream , enjoyed it thom
So sorry I missed the live.
Great stuff as always.
Thanks so much my friend, looking at another in about two week's time!
Missed the livestream, but I am here for the replay! I am currently in Northern California, with a BIG HELLO to Tom in Scotland! 👋👋
How wonderful to be free of regrets. I regret what I have not done. Not so much what I have done.
I love your videos. I can live a bit vicariously.
Thanks so much!
... as a German Biologist - my first impression after the Photos of Mallory - Was the broken Rope facing Upwards - or Downwards? Did Mallory Abseil Irving - Irving first to go down?
Did the rope brake from Load and Rock friction - facing Downwards?
then Irvine would have fallen down the mountain - his body mangled...I wondered - was Irvine weak, tired, injured - so Mallory tried in a Haste to get back to the tent as fast as possible by Abseiling Irvine
When Irvine was injured on the Ascent - I think - Mallory would have turned back FAST - to save Irvine - Irvine would have survived - by NOT going with Mallory Mallory may have reached the top alone..
a romantic Mystery for eternity. Highly Addictive!
Mallory's body was found facing in toward the mountain and up toward the ridge top. His arms were spread out from the shoulder almost as if he was trying to self arrest a slide. The reamins of a rope were found a round his waist and a second closer examination of his body on the mountain revealed bruising around his waist and lower rib cage consistent with sudden high load strain such as a climber would endure when a climber to whom he is roped falls and pulls the first climber down as well. These injuries could only have ocurred prior to death. The rope was old fashioned natural rope not modern climbing rope.
There is no way to tell exactly how the fall happened - who fell first or who pulled who down or when the fall occurred.
Hi Thom. Sorry this is a little off topic but I just learned your cat’s name is Simba. I found this very interesting because we have a cat named Simba too and he looks exactly like your Simba. Thought that was pretty cool and we are wishing both Simba’s to have great health for a long time to come.
Very good Thom, thank you. I think you do a good job of personalizing this drama. Having said that it’s hard to imagine that the discovery of Irvine’s remains can solve the ultimate question. Unless of course had his remains been found on the opposite side of the mountain 😉
Chicago. Thanks for helping little, Tom.
Another great ‘Live’ event.
Thank you for the education!
Dang! Didn’t get my notification in time. Watching now.👍🏼🙂
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Thanks Thom
Thanks Alex, much appreciated as always
Great video all happiness from David in Norfolk, England.
Keep them coming out please
I believe that one day we will unravel the mystery
Thank you!
Thank you so much for keeping us informed. I love listening to you talk 🥰👍❤️. Hugs 🤗 and love ❤️ coming your way from Reno Nevada 😊
Hey I really enjoy all this. I am 75 so I’m not doing anything like this any time soon ! But I can’t get enough. Mallory and Irvine are at the top of my list in so many ways. Not enough space to time to go into it. But I would like to hear more detail about looking up at Mallory. Also describe and put in order step one step and step three. Difficulty etc and is step three and Hilary’s step the same ?
Thanks Mike 😎
listening to Odell an expert climber and geologist, no doubt about what he saw, So very probably they made it to the summit very late that day. Going on the steps of norton, and the ways suggested by him, zig zag or couloir. More over as said by 1933 team member, in past interview, the iceaxe was felt as the place of an accident. probably they were exausted, at night, without oxygen (the body of mallory was found without bottle as far as i know) and Irvine fell directly to his death, from the ridge. Mallory tried then to go down slope to rescue him, but also had an accident and broke his leg. Because as explained by the famous climber jake norton, the long distance from the ridge and the state of the body of mallory is not consistent with a direct fall... i hope oneday new clues will appear
Hi Alan, yes can hear you. From Australia
Thanks for watching!
Great video Thom, you mentioned Mallory's head injury probably caused by a rock fall,
his daughter Frances married Physiologist Glenn Millikan and he unfortunately died in exactly this way while climbing Buzzard Roost in Tennessee in 1947.
Cheers from England
Missed the live but here for the replay
It's great having you here!
Hi there! Replay here-thank you, Thom! Hello to Tom in Scotland! 👋
Who were the first climbers to reach the summit on Mount Everest is a burning question. We know who the first climbers were who did summit Everest and made a successful decent. But, Mallory and Irvine, 300 feet or 100 yards from the summit when last seen, "Did they reach the top, did Mallory achieve his last quest, third time lucky along with Sandy Irvine of being the first climbers to reach the top.Sir Edmund said it himself, "I and Norgay were the first to reach the top and make it back down". Indeed a great climbing first for them, and we congratulate them, but "Who wore the boots first'. Will Sandy Irvine's boot tell the story?
I don't think they botched the camera. It is history and they knew that. Unless they didn't want those pictures known. Thank you Tom for all you do to bring us this material.
Thanks.
I’m 30 and my dad sucks will you adopt me? Lol dude you are so awesome. Thank you for updating us on this revelation on Everest
Ah, my friend, I'm glad you found the channel. Your comment means very much to me. Sending my best from northeast USA to you
Nice Jazzmaster
hello ..Dan from CA
I feel this is a stupid question but i'll ask anyway.. the broken rope around Mallory's body, was the rope pointing uphill or downhill?? Cheers mate.
Cool ...guitars!!!
My other obsession: guitars! I'd be dangerous if I was wealthy!
I had to jump back into a work zoom halfway through. Would love it if you could activate the live chat replay.
It should be up soon, Tim, thank you!
@@EverestMystery Awesome. Thank you sir
Depending on where the boot was found, one could assume that other remains, if complete/heavier that they would be further up the clasier?
All clear,Santa Barbara❤.
29:20 What if, instead of a cold call, and I'm sure you know him, could you soften the asking with a letter and a gift? Allow him space to comment randomly, without it coming back on him. This is sensitive with the Chinese/Tibetans obviously religiously and many beliefs fear the dead.
Could you send a gift, in a letter, and give him a chance to think?
Have been thinking very much about this. Thank you for the suggestion, and thanks for watching!
You think camera will be found?
I don't feel much confidence that it will, but truly hope that my hunch is wrong!
So... it IS thrown off the mountain... as bad as it sounds.
UNBELIEVABLE
Now we know for sure Irvine fell with Mallory coming below the yellow band very late in the dark coming not from the ridge route that was impossible for any person at the time but coming from a long day trying to find a way to the summit on the Norton colouir not finding and coming back very late and tired and both took a fall and Irvine fell above Mallory but with time and avalanches came down to the bottom of glacier not taken or pushed by any Chinese not in the 1974 and not in the 90s.
Very simple and clear now to write history.
Cheers to all and for your channel as you are very honest and assertive about all facts not fiction.
Agreed, they came down after dark, they went up near the color. If Odell spotted them “going strong for the top” at 12:45pm, they undoubtedly made it to the summit.
Hey thank you for watching! Great having you here! It's all speculation as to the route they took, nothing is certain (despite what a vocal minority insist). There is an equal and perhaps even greater likelihood they took the ridge route, which is what Mallory had always intended. It's also very possible that they turned back after the storm covered the mountain and lost their footing well before darkness set in. The discovery does tell us that Sandy is down there, on the Rongbuk, and that brings some element of relief and supports that Mark Synnott, Jamie McGuinness and I have said not to waste one's money by searching upon the mountain for him. Although, of course, we could be wrong too, as it was only a foot they found! FASCINATING STUFF INDEED! Thanks again
Uh... I thought this was about the discovery about the boot???
What's your name Sir?
It looks charred,maybe it happened when the cooker was accidentally dropped downhill? Maybe there was a fire
Have you thought of the idea that Sandy Irvine fell down a cravat and will never be found
Yes, absolutely....there is a good possibility. That crevasse would move downhill, and eventually open up, although it might be another 100 years. Thanks for watching!
@@EverestMystery May I ask a follow up question? Have you ever seen a replica of the Kodak VPK camera? I had always thought about buying one on eBay just to experiment with the picture quality and development. The holy grail of Everest! 📷
Isle of man
My question for you is, (do you thing they made the summer??)
I do not believe they made the summit. However, I would LOVE to be proven wrong!
🇮🇪☘️
I thought Eric Shipton’s team buried Maurice in 33 or 34 .
Maurice Wilson has made an appearance on a number of occasions, including in 1999. Cheers and thanks so much for watching!
@@EverestMystery it’s a pleasure . So pleased he has been partially found . But I am sure I read in either I’ll climb Everest Alone, or in one of the Everest books on Maurice Wilson that the Shipton team, after extracting his diary, wrapped him in his tent and sent him down a glacier… so I’m not sure how he would have been in a foetal position… but what do I know ? Thanks for a great channel .