Character is the keyword when it comes to Moto Guzzi. Finally the factory makes attractive modern bikes again. A freidn bought the V100 Mandello and is raving about it. Happy days, Günter/Nürnberg
My V85tt seat is the best i have had. I can sit on it way longer than my cruiser. Don't harsh on the bikes off road capabilities. If it's anything like my V85tt it can do it. Yeah you can't jump it 10ft in the air or bash mud all day but for the 50yr and above rider it takes me anywhere I want to go and places I shouldn't be. Plus most of these "adventure " bikes are marked to the 50 plus people as they have the money for the high price tags.
it's the cheapest bike of its category. Bmw gs actually costs over than 28k euros (mid-high packs equipped). Stelvio goes to less than 18k euros (pff version). I bought the non pff version at 16700 euros and it's a really great bike. Stability, wind protection, torque, easy to manage. I'm 52
I track an R6 and street ride a Ducati Streetfighter V4S. I got a Stelvio in July and already have more miles on it than my Ducati. Love the thing. The factory quickshifter really livens the bike up. If I had to voice a complaint, it's how wide the tank is/how narrow the foot pegs are. For me, it's tough to stand up off-road like I want to. Wider foot pegs would just drag everywhere.
Have always liked the Moto Guzzi design aesthetic... my first ADV bike (Triumph Tiger 955i) was purchased from a friend who had just bought a Guzzi... which was the first Moto Guzzi I ever saw. They always struck me as a country lane rider with style sort of bike. Bit too heavy for more aggressive dirt use, but VERY comfortable (not unlike the Triumph... those two companies seem to have a number of products that are similar). Edit... I did pass a couple of distinguished gentlemen riding the Idaho BDR on Stelvio's when I was out there... they did lament the weight for BDR rides but loved the bikes otherwise (likely a similar story for anyone riding a BDR on a heavyweight ADV bike). And yes the "distinguished gentlemen" was on purpose... the Guzzi feels like that sort of ride to me... and all the folks I've met who own them seem to just fall into that category too. 🙂
I really loved that V100 engine. I enjoyed the demo ride I did on the Stelvio, but the Mandello would be my pick out of the line up. I think they should think about adding the active suspension to the Stelvio though. That would be really nice. I like that Piaggio has standardized their TFTs across Guzzi and Aprilia. Them being able to retain the rear traction control OFF setting on a power cycle is soooo nice. If you turn front ABS off, it will turn it back on after a power cycle though. I don't think I tested the Stelvio to see if it will let you disable front ABS, but I can do that on my Tuareg. I'm assuming the Stelvio can too. Also, I guess the Italians just understand seats. The seat on my Tuareg, despite being a skinny dirt bike styled seat, is pretty nice for all day rides.
It is a thinking man’s sport tourer! I look at them like two wheeled luxury pickup trucks. The Stelvio was on my list when I bought my Tiger 1200 XCA. The only thing that stopped me from buying it was the dealership in my area.
Thinking of picking one of these up for more long distance tarmac touring with some dirtroad excursions. I have my little bikes for the more offroad touring(RE Himalayan, and BMW G310GS). Thanks for the review! Cheers!
I’m glad to hear you’re 6’4, like me. I found some older Guzzi’s really tiny (V7, V9), even the Norge, which is designed for all day touring, has its foot pegs really up high. You seem quite comfortable on this new Stelvio , I should start saving I guess 😃
Um, no. The V100S is tighter seated position than the 2024 V7 850 and I own both. The seat to peg placement is putting the feet more under your butt on the V100S adding a bend to the knees that gets to you after a tank of gas. The V7's are just enough foreward to relieve the bend in the knee, I never need to stand to get the blood going on my V7 850. I do that often on the V100S. There is a higher seat fr the V100S but that will impact the flat foot at a stop. I'm 5'10" tall and 32" inseam for reference.
It is a nice bike, but maybe a touch too road-oriented for me. I might sing a different tune if I needed to cover more highway miles. You mentioned the Africa Twin, but even Honda offers it with a 19" front tire and touring package now, so the Stelvio might be a close competitor there.
I have 13,000 miles on my V100S, essentially the same hard points. Clutch is standard wet multiplate, less precise engagment than my V7's dry clutch with just one friction and driven plate to manage. The V100S's clutch pull is fine, not as light as the V7's or my old BMW R100RT's dry clutch. I've hit exactly ZERO neutrals except the proper one. Come to a stop in first and one pull up hits neutral EVERY time. The engine sounds like a 1969 442 GTO on full honk getting it on. Very good mile eater bike. I find the seat to peg a little "sport" on the V100S but the ADV version stretches that out some...and it is a nice "move".
The clutch pull is light on mine. Weird pulsation when pulled in though. Never found neutral between any gears. Finding neutral from 1st is the easiest on any bike. New design where you can’t actually go to 2 from N. N to 1 has severe lurch but that might disappear after break in.
I think the clutch feels different because it's a single plate dry clutch, like old BMWs. It's more like a clutch in a car. I've had a few Moto Guzzis and they usually have false neutrals between some gears. The trans on my 2017 is still kind of clunky compared to my Yamaha, but not bad. It has character.
I think its absolutely appropriate to compare this to the Africa Twin Adventure Sports model (with the 19inch front wheel) or Triumph Tiger 900, or Harley Pan Am
I really should put a Guzzi on my short list. What the heck, drove Peugeot for years (505 Italian design body). Don't mind thinking outside the "main streem" US box. Read awhile back they had a better shaft drive system than the beemers, true?
My complaints with mine, the MASSIVE clunk from N to 1st gear. The short distance from pegs to shifter make size 47 boot really tough to get under it, had to adjust it quite high to work, although boots are almost new and not "broken in" quite yet. I find the clutch pull quite easy, BUT, id like some actual adjustability for the two levers, the tiny adjustment they have is useless, and changes very tiny amount IMO. SO far though, a great bike and very versatile. Got the hard plastic cases, crash bars with fogs, "touring" windscreen which is IDENTICAL to the factory one except it fills in the tiny square cutout at the bottom of the factory unit so maybe not worth it. Fuel economy to power ratio is a little poor IMO, my 117 HD Road Glide is easier on fuel, and my previous CP3 yamahas had more power and MUCH better on fuel from what i remember.
IMO you buy a Moto Guzzi because it’s a Moto Guzzi I have a V85TT. It has some negatives, but if you want a bike with character, that handles great, and where every ride is an experience, it’s hard to beat
I own an older Stelvio. I don't care how anyone pronounces Moto Guzzi. If you say Guzzy someone will correct you. If you say Gootzy someone will question it and make you feel pretentious, leading to a conversation about Italian pronunciation. So these days I just say it's a Honda CX500 with a badge on the tank. That keeps em guessing.
They didn't. The V7 is 480 wet and the V100S is 515 wet. The ADV is a little more. But not a hundred pounds. I own both the V7 850 and the V100S. The problem is WHERE the weight is. The V7 feels like it is over a hundred pounds lighter until you get the V100S going.10 MPH and lower, the V100S feels heavier than the specs suggest.
No kidding? I own BOTH bikes because they are 180 opposites in character. And no, the V7 isn't even close to the "feel" of the V85. Sure, the engine is the same lineage but the character part is worlds different. The V85 is closer to the V100S than the V7 in a "feel" comparison and even then the mills are too different to compare, really. To tell you the truth, I LOVE how the air cooled V7's 850 mill runs. It is superior in mechanical smoothness (far less drive train lash) and easier to ride well than the V100S's aggressive mill. Sure, the V100S has tons of power but it is harder to use. Forget about less than 3500 RPM running it hard, it hates it. The V7 850? It takes anything in stride and never complains about it. I hope they tuned the STELVIO for more low-end grunt and less top-end surge. I'd map the V100S to use that! Real world it would be better.
@@rower30-mt3tb nice, I'm jealous! I have a V85TT but haven't ridden the new compact block. I just meant from a weight standpoint, not character, it makes more sense to compare the V7 to the V85 and the Mandello to the Stelvio
@@trevorkarrett3041 I'm sorry, I misunderstood your point. Well, the V7 is a lot smaller scale bike than and ADV so I kind of don't try to see them as the same (except the engine), and to be honest, it isn't exactly light. I'm 140 pounds so over 500 pounds is kind of a no-go for me. The V7 850 rides WAY lighter than the V100S even though the specs would say they are "close" (480# and 515# wet). Nope, the V7 is an easier bike to ride well. I like the V100S for long legged travel but I have 6,000 miles on the V7 since July. It is a sweetheart bike. I hope the new STELVIO uses a better low-end map than the V100S. The V85TT or V7 old style hemi-head mill absolutely tromps my V100S in grunt off the bottom and again, never ever complains. The V100S will rattle the eight valves with heavy throttle below 3,000. It absolutely hates it. You have to slip the clutch in 3rd like my old 1979 750F Honda or whack a downshift (quick shifter) to rev it up real good in 2nd gear. The V100S is not a flexible mill to my way of thinking. It should pull 2nd or 3rd in a tight corner like the V7 and not knock the valves. It doesn't. It has a far tighter rev basement to be happy. I don't like that. Sport riders probably don't notice.
You can't think of it like that. The V85TT will pull harder through the botton and mid with the two valve head. The V100 four valver hates lower revs and likes to spin mid on up. For example, my V7 850 pulls way harder and far easier out of the hole with nary a touch of the clutch where my V100S needs some clutch action out of tight ninety degree corners in third or it complains. It has to carry more revs to be happy, bigger CC's doesn't matter. The V7 can carry 1,2 or 3rd fine with not a knock to be heard.
good looking bike. Would I buy one? eh ... no. probably not. A Tenere is a good enough tourer once you fitted an adjustable screen and sat long enough on the seat ... the first 5-6000 km are a bit of a pain in the butt, literally 😅
Happy he’s liking it, but… ‘like a Ferrari’?? That’s a joke, right. And then comparing this with a Goldwing? Or a Yamaha FJR?? This is such a weird review.
Next time, please just review the bike itself. I don’t understand why you have to compare this bike at all to another. Each bike is slightly or totally different and has its own characteristics. Mentioning the Goldwing was also silly. I know why you did it, but it wasn’t appropriate.
I'm riding the Triumph Tiger Rally Pro 900 right now in Baja, I think the headlight on the Stelvio is what wins me over for looks. I had this parked at the brewery side by side with the Norden for a week and to me, the Stelvio wins the front end looks, but I'll be keeping the Norden for other reasons, of course, just my opinion... Cheers!
Classy review, just the positive and negative items, no hate or over fluff. Just a good classy review! Thanks for the good vibes on this one.
Character is the keyword when it comes to Moto Guzzi. Finally the factory makes attractive modern bikes again. A freidn bought the V100 Mandello and is raving about it. Happy days, Günter/Nürnberg
Brilliant review! Thanks mate and cheers from Switzerland!
My V85tt seat is the best i have had. I can sit on it way longer than my cruiser.
Don't harsh on the bikes off road capabilities. If it's anything like my V85tt it can do it. Yeah you can't jump it 10ft in the air or bash mud all day but for the 50yr and above rider it takes me anywhere I want to go and places I shouldn't be. Plus most of these "adventure " bikes are marked to the 50 plus people as they have the money for the high price tags.
it's the cheapest bike of its category. Bmw gs actually costs over than 28k euros (mid-high packs equipped). Stelvio goes to less than 18k euros (pff version). I bought the non pff version at 16700 euros and it's a really great bike. Stability, wind protection, torque, easy to manage. I'm 52
I absolutely love my 2020 v85tt. One owner and never plan to sell or trade it. May have to add a Stelvio now. 😅
How’s the reliability and maintenance on your bike?
@@MarvFitBikesKicks total opposite of a KTM
Good to see a motorcycle review from you guys
Glad you liked it!
Bravo well done. I love my 2014 stelvio. Hard to beat.
I track an R6 and street ride a Ducati Streetfighter V4S. I got a Stelvio in July and already have more miles on it than my Ducati. Love the thing. The factory quickshifter really livens the bike up. If I had to voice a complaint, it's how wide the tank is/how narrow the foot pegs are. For me, it's tough to stand up off-road like I want to. Wider foot pegs would just drag everywhere.
Currently on a Norden 901 standard and a Suzuki Dr 650. I'm thinking this Guzzi, and a Husky 701 might suit me better.
Have always liked the Moto Guzzi design aesthetic... my first ADV bike (Triumph Tiger 955i) was purchased from a friend who had just bought a Guzzi... which was the first Moto Guzzi I ever saw. They always struck me as a country lane rider with style sort of bike. Bit too heavy for more aggressive dirt use, but VERY comfortable (not unlike the Triumph... those two companies seem to have a number of products that are similar).
Edit... I did pass a couple of distinguished gentlemen riding the Idaho BDR on Stelvio's when I was out there... they did lament the weight for BDR rides but loved the bikes otherwise (likely a similar story for anyone riding a BDR on a heavyweight ADV bike).
And yes the "distinguished gentlemen" was on purpose... the Guzzi feels like that sort of ride to me... and all the folks I've met who own them seem to just fall into that category too. 🙂
I really loved that V100 engine. I enjoyed the demo ride I did on the Stelvio, but the Mandello would be my pick out of the line up. I think they should think about adding the active suspension to the Stelvio though. That would be really nice.
I like that Piaggio has standardized their TFTs across Guzzi and Aprilia. Them being able to retain the rear traction control OFF setting on a power cycle is soooo nice. If you turn front ABS off, it will turn it back on after a power cycle though. I don't think I tested the Stelvio to see if it will let you disable front ABS, but I can do that on my Tuareg. I'm assuming the Stelvio can too.
Also, I guess the Italians just understand seats. The seat on my Tuareg, despite being a skinny dirt bike styled seat, is pretty nice for all day rides.
It is a thinking man’s sport tourer! I look at them like two wheeled luxury pickup trucks. The Stelvio was on my list when I bought my Tiger 1200 XCA. The only thing that stopped me from buying it was the dealership in my area.
Thinking of picking one of these up for more long distance tarmac touring with some dirtroad excursions. I have my little bikes for the more offroad touring(RE Himalayan, and BMW G310GS). Thanks for the review!
Cheers!
I’m glad to hear you’re 6’4, like me. I found some older Guzzi’s really tiny (V7, V9), even the Norge, which is designed for all day touring, has its foot pegs really up high. You seem quite comfortable on this new Stelvio , I should start saving I guess 😃
Um, no. The V100S is tighter seated position than the 2024 V7 850 and I own both. The seat to peg placement is putting the feet more under your butt on the V100S adding a bend to the knees that gets to you after a tank of gas. The V7's are just enough foreward to relieve the bend in the knee, I never need to stand to get the blood going on my V7 850. I do that often on the V100S.
There is a higher seat fr the V100S but that will impact the flat foot at a stop. I'm 5'10" tall and 32" inseam for reference.
🤣🤣🤣I really enjoyed this one, the Italian music and the passenger eating 🤣🤣🤣
It is a nice bike, but maybe a touch too road-oriented for me. I might sing a different tune if I needed to cover more highway miles. You mentioned the Africa Twin, but even Honda offers it with a 19" front tire and touring package now, so the Stelvio might be a close competitor there.
Segment is on fire…love the competition
I have 13,000 miles on my V100S, essentially the same hard points. Clutch is standard wet multiplate, less precise engagment than my V7's dry clutch with just one friction and driven plate to manage. The V100S's clutch pull is fine, not as light as the V7's or my old BMW R100RT's dry clutch. I've hit exactly ZERO neutrals except the proper one. Come to a stop in first and one pull up hits neutral EVERY time. The engine sounds like a 1969 442 GTO on full honk getting it on. Very good mile eater bike. I find the seat to peg a little "sport" on the V100S but the ADV version stretches that out some...and it is a nice "move".
The clutch pull is light on mine. Weird pulsation when pulled in though. Never found neutral between any gears. Finding neutral from 1st is the easiest on any bike. New design where you can’t actually go to 2 from N. N to 1 has severe lurch but that might disappear after break in.
So what you're really saying is that it's a perfect road bike for tall guys over 6'2 who can't fit on petite sport bikes.
Righjt? 👍
I think the clutch feels different because it's a single plate dry clutch, like old BMWs. It's more like a clutch in a car. I've had a few Moto Guzzis and they usually have false neutrals between some gears. The trans on my 2017 is still kind of clunky compared to my Yamaha, but not bad. It has character.
Nice one mate. What jacket you wearing?
It's a Klim Merrakesh, great for 60f+ degree days, and layers well for summer/fall rides
Thanks chief
Ha! False neutrals like on Ducatis can be minimized with being very direct with the shift lever. At least, that's worked for me.
I think its absolutely appropriate to compare this to the Africa Twin Adventure Sports model (with the 19inch front wheel) or Triumph Tiger 900, or Harley Pan Am
The seat looks farther back?
I really should put a Guzzi on my short list. What the heck, drove Peugeot for years (505 Italian design body). Don't mind thinking outside the "main streem" US box. Read awhile back they had a better shaft drive system than the beemers, true?
With 170mm travel, jumping is out of the question I believe.
This bike is stunning…
My complaints with mine, the MASSIVE clunk from N to 1st gear.
The short distance from pegs to shifter make size 47 boot really tough to get under it, had to adjust it quite high to work, although boots are almost new and not "broken in" quite yet.
I find the clutch pull quite easy, BUT, id like some actual adjustability for the two levers, the tiny adjustment they have is useless, and changes very tiny amount IMO.
SO far though, a great bike and very versatile. Got the hard plastic cases, crash bars with fogs, "touring" windscreen which is IDENTICAL to the factory one except it fills in the tiny square cutout at the bottom of the factory unit so maybe not worth it.
Fuel economy to power ratio is a little poor IMO, my 117 HD Road Glide is easier on fuel, and my previous CP3 yamahas had more power and MUCH better on fuel from what i remember.
Looks like a sweet bike!
Don’t care how a bike looks, for me it’s all about performance and reliability
IMO you buy a Moto Guzzi because it’s a Moto Guzzi
I have a V85TT. It has some negatives, but if you want a bike with character, that handles great, and where every ride is an experience, it’s hard to beat
I own an older Stelvio.
I don't care how anyone pronounces Moto Guzzi.
If you say Guzzy someone will correct you.
If you say Gootzy someone will question it and make you feel pretentious, leading to a conversation about Italian pronunciation.
So these days I just say it's a Honda CX500 with a badge on the tank. That keeps em guessing.
Why did they make the adventure version 100 lbs MORE heavy than the v7 ??
They didn't. The V7 is 480 wet and the V100S is 515 wet. The ADV is a little more. But not a hundred pounds. I own both the V7 850 and the V100S. The problem is WHERE the weight is. The V7 feels like it is over a hundred pounds lighter until you get the V100S going.10 MPH and lower, the V100S feels heavier than the specs suggest.
@@rower30-mt3tb The V7 should be compared with the V85, not the V100 Mandello
No kidding? I own BOTH bikes because they are 180 opposites in character. And no, the V7 isn't even close to the "feel" of the V85. Sure, the engine is the same lineage but the character part is worlds different. The V85 is closer to the V100S than the V7 in a "feel" comparison and even then the mills are too different to compare, really.
To tell you the truth, I LOVE how the air cooled V7's 850 mill runs. It is superior in mechanical smoothness (far less drive train lash) and easier to ride well than the V100S's aggressive mill. Sure, the V100S has tons of power but it is harder to use. Forget about less than 3500 RPM running it hard, it hates it. The V7 850? It takes anything in stride and never complains about it.
I hope they tuned the STELVIO for more low-end grunt and less top-end surge. I'd map the V100S to use that! Real world it would be better.
@@rower30-mt3tb nice, I'm jealous! I have a V85TT but haven't ridden the new compact block.
I just meant from a weight standpoint, not character, it makes more sense to compare the V7 to the V85 and the Mandello to the Stelvio
@@trevorkarrett3041 I'm sorry, I misunderstood your point. Well, the V7 is a lot smaller scale bike than and ADV so I kind of don't try to see them as the same (except the engine), and to be honest, it isn't exactly light. I'm 140 pounds so over 500 pounds is kind of a no-go for me. The V7 850 rides WAY lighter than the V100S even though the specs would say they are "close" (480# and 515# wet). Nope, the V7 is an easier bike to ride well. I like the V100S for long legged travel but I have 6,000 miles on the V7 since July. It is a sweetheart bike.
I hope the new STELVIO uses a better low-end map than the V100S. The V85TT or V7 old style hemi-head mill absolutely tromps my V100S in grunt off the bottom and again, never ever complains. The V100S will rattle the eight valves with heavy throttle below 3,000. It absolutely hates it. You have to slip the clutch in 3rd like my old 1979 750F Honda or whack a downshift (quick shifter) to rev it up real good in 2nd gear. The V100S is not a flexible mill to my way of thinking. It should pull 2nd or 3rd in a tight corner like the V7 and not knock the valves. It doesn't. It has a far tighter rev basement to be happy. I don't like that. Sport riders probably don't notice.
Good stuff my friend but it's pronounced Moto Gootzee, same way you would pronounce pizza. 😉
Oh thanks!
@@MOTOTREK Funny part is, I found out from someone else after pronouncing it wrong pretty much forever, lol
Looks like Dixon Mill Rd🤔
So it's a v85tt, with a bigger engine 🤔
You can't think of it like that. The V85TT will pull harder through the botton and mid with the two valve head. The V100 four valver hates lower revs and likes to spin mid on up. For example, my V7 850 pulls way harder and far easier out of the hole with nary a touch of the clutch where my V100S needs some clutch action out of tight ninety degree corners in third or it complains. It has to carry more revs to be happy, bigger CC's doesn't matter. The V7 can carry 1,2 or 3rd fine with not a knock to be heard.
crossover with the "bad roads" package. nice looking bike but not a real "adventure bike" like 890, 901 or t700. btw - I love Italian design.
good looking bike. Would I buy one? eh ... no. probably not. A Tenere is a good enough tourer once you fitted an adjustable screen and sat long enough on the seat ... the first 5-6000 km are a bit of a pain in the butt, literally 😅
I am sasqmoto. Dude you stole my name. I've been doing moto videos way before you
Happy he’s liking it, but… ‘like a Ferrari’?? That’s a joke, right. And then comparing this with a Goldwing? Or a Yamaha FJR?? This is such a weird review.
He’s comparing it to sport touring/touring bikes which is what he said this felt like to him
It does look cool. But, without some good crash bars I don’t think you should venture into any real adventures with this bike.
Ma Stelvio a 10000 km, je n’ai jamais trouvé de " faux points morts " entre 2 vitesses...
Sexy bike for sure. But my Honda VFR800X Crossrunner is still perfeclty working, so no need to change. Well, it could outlast me so...
Next time, please just review the bike itself. I don’t understand why you have to compare this bike at all to another. Each bike is slightly or totally different and has its own characteristics. Mentioning the Goldwing was also silly. I know why you did it, but it wasn’t appropriate.
Sounds like it’s just as I suspected-a touring bike dressed like it wants to have fun in the dirt with no business actually being in it.
Bro is 6'4"
Did he mention it in the video?
It's Moto Guzzi like "pizza", not "uzi"
Are you really trying to compare this thing to a BMW R1250RT or a Gold Wing? Get outta here.
Sexy looks!
That's not even the best looking moto guzzi in my opinion. My favourites frome the looks alone are the desert x, africa twin and tiger 900 rally
I'm riding the Triumph Tiger Rally Pro 900 right now in Baja, I think the headlight on the Stelvio is what wins me over for looks. I had this parked at the brewery side by side with the Norden for a week and to me, the Stelvio wins the front end looks, but I'll be keeping the Norden for other reasons, of course, just my opinion... Cheers!
It really should be compared to say the Yamaha Super Tenere or BMW XR1000
Ummm... that engine is about as low tech as they get. You could put it in a tractor.
Not with this gen. The stelvio and V100 Mandello engines are fully modern
Kevin Cameron will have a word with you on that one.
I prefer my R1300GS, for sure! :)