i come to lvl1 for the same reason as i did when you were on a different channel ..and i kinda miss the era when you were just behind the monitors but that is just due to how committed you were to that ....keep showing us amazing things or even mundane things if its you im in
I hope people realize just how smart Wendell is ... he doesn't have a script. He hasn't said "um" once ... and yet, he's speaking eloquently about technology as if he were one of the engineers who created it...and has made it accessible enough to where even I understand it. Truly impressive in my book. Remember people ... most people with Wendell's level of knowledge have at least low-grade or undiagnosed asperger's. In contrast, Wendell's "theory of mind" is adequate to (again) make this accessible to someone like me. Exceptional.
I wanted one of these but Intel couldn't get them out in time to make the end of my fiscal year. I am still pretty happy to move from 12 Sandy Bridge non-SMT cores to 64 Milan ones.
8:35 Comparing Intel Xeon 8458P 44/88 2.7G (3.2Gall core/3.8G max boost, updated: $6759 according to ServeTheHome) to AMD EPYC 9374F 32/64 3.85G (4.1G all core / 4.3G max boost, $4,850 each for 1k unit pricing) in the benchmark is a closer comparison instead of EPYC 9654 96/192 2.4G (3.55G all core/3.7G max boost, $11,805 each). I guess it comes down to price and applications. If the application can use all 96 core and less frequency sensitive then EPYC 9654 makes sense; otherwise, F-SKUs are more useful.
Id want to see Wendell have fun with that silent workstation that Jake from LTT showed off. When watching that, it just screamed absurdly overkill NAS / Forbidden Thing :P "Why yes, my Jellyfin is running off of an A100 accelerator, why do you ask?"
We could literally replace 80% of our datacenter with one of these lol. Virtualization is our primary workload, although RAM tends to be the limiting factor long before CPU I find
eBay and ServeTheHome forum threads. I'm currently looking at the H11 and H12 Epyc platforms on there. If you can afford an expensive laptop like a fully speced out MacBook Pro or Framework, you can afford those platforms. Those are only 2 - 4 generations old. So not the worst deal.
The test items and order of the benchmark section are very misleading, making this video like an advertisement. Put oneDNN in such a front position, and this is an intel-led computing library optimized for intel cpu. The truly representative and convincing benchmark is SPECint in the field of integer operations and LINPACK in the field of floating-point operations.
1:98 wat? Everyone knows the target release date was Q1 2022 and it got delayed by them having to respin the chip due to a bug. Other factors may be relevant, but not the reason for the delay. In fact many memory manufacturers mentioned delays in Shappire Rapids as the reason for DDR5 not ramping as quickly as forecasted originally…
@@maxjames00077 When AMD announced how they were making Ryzen CPUs using their "chiplet" approach in order to increase wafer yields by not making huge monolithic designs anymore, Intel used that fact as a way to try to make customers think that would make AMD CPUs inferior. So in a press conference, they said that Intel, unlike AMD, did not and would not make their CPUs "by gluing them together". But now Intel *IS* "gluing their CPUs together, because they are using multi-chip designs like AMD. They don't use the exact same method that AMD does, but the fact that they switched from a monolithic design to a multi-chip design just a few years after saying AMDs design was garbage proves that AMD's design was the right one, and Intel had no choice but to copy AMD, which makes their previous "gluing" statement make them look VERY stupid now.
@@SirReptitious thats what I thought haha. Idk if they look stupid tho (I'm an intel fan 😂), many companies do this to each other. I remember apple removed the headphones jack and Google made a commercial/statement how ridiculous it was. Lil later they removed it as well.
What server rack is he loading it into at 3:10? I recently bought one and it has no branding on it, as far as I can tell. It doesn't really matter, but I'm curious.
Wendell dropped some weight! Congratulations...It's lots better for your back, knees, ankles, etc. going forward. You'll want all those things to work when you're my age...🇺🇸 😎👍☕
@@maxjames00077 There used to be high end CPU & motherboards between consumer grade & server grade hardware. Professionals could build custom workstations instead of buying server hardware at a 200% price increase. The last gen flagships where the 3990x & trx40 motherboards for AMD, & 10980xe & X299 motherboards for Intel
If there's options more in line with consumer grade boards - decent clock speed & semi decent pricing - I might just pick one of these monsters up for my personal use :)
We'll see, but at scale it makes tons of sense. Does it make sense for the typical business/server buyer? We'll see. I think Intel needs to market these features and their value much more as well as work on reducing the developer uplift involved in taking advantage of these features.
here we go I guess. Looking for what it could be used, being really out of touch with server space, so I have no idea why anyone would go for this if EPYC is available. EDIT: so it was interesting. I forgot that EPYC doesn't scale beyond 2 CPU's per mobo. And unsurprisingly the stuff that Intel has really good control over and has dedicated some R&D to actually accelerate is working well. Very well. I do wonder how it will look after optimizations to a lot of normal operations happen as well. AMD could use them as well, previously they had to rely on brute force, but with adoption rate there is a chance that they will also get stuff optimized for them. Which is going to be great for users in the end. I'm still not exactly trusting Intel with process nodes and how manufacturable this is. But it seems to be working and they can't delay it any further. Wasn't it supposed to originally launch in 2021? And HBM version is going to go against Genoa-X, which is going to be interesting. Though different strengths I guess. Question is how fast can Intel iterate on that? Granite/Emerald Rapids, because Turin is going to be there in 2024. This is going to be hell of a battle. And going to workstations? Finally it might push AMD to stop neglecting Threadripper. Though to be honest this will depend on pricing. And video doesn't mention prices. Because that (and availability) is going to be deciding factor in workstations and smaller servers that don't really operate with per core licenses. Though again, it might for per core licenses since SR has fewer of them. I feel like licensing will try to even it out and maybe price on something else. Optimal money model would be to price the license per performance in less core dense versions, while charging through the roof for "unused" cores in high density. I swear that if anyone thinks of the way how to monetize everything it will be one of those licensing companies. Great job! Great Video!
Are we getting these on desktop and if so when? Looks like AMD are no longer interested in providing Threadrippers for desktop so hopefully Intel seizes this opportunity. I'd love to build a new HEDT PC with one of those.
@@harrythehandyman TR Pro are wildly expensive so it's out of the question. You might as well get into Epyc. How do you know that TR non-Pro are on the road map? I saw a recent AMD slide where only TR Pro was shown on their road map.
The workstation parts will be called Fishhawk Falls, but seems to only go up to 34 cores per CPU and no details yet if dual or quad socket motherboards are going to come. But I’d expect multi-socket systems since otherwise the comparison with Threadripper would be absurd.
It seems like intel is going to fill the quad channel hole that AMD left (non-pro threadripper) with their WX-2000. Hopefully its priced for prosumer so you can finally get a platform with enough pcie lanes for dual gpu at a reasonable price again.
The market is stupid enterprise customers who will just buy whatever OEMs provide, which will most likely be mostly Intel because they pay OEMs more than AMD does.
I'm so glad that Intel has caught up and we're back to the good old days where Intel and AMD beat each other to the pulp to compete for the customer's money.
@@peterconnell2496 "Compete at what? " ... hhmm... then let me remind you of something: " that to play in AMD's league, they need a 4P architecture vs 2P." That is YOU that made that statement, i just tried to make it as simple as possible for you to understand, but it seems you are unable to comprehend even that. I can't help if you are stupid. "ur logic matches ur literacy." Says the person that can't spell.
I literally clicked this video just to watch Wendell being Wendell.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" -Revenge of the Nerds
So did i!
Certainly didn't come to see how it competes with AMD's 96 core chips.
He's a treasure
it makes me so happy that Wendell seems like he's feeling healthier
love Wendell being even extra Wendell too
_engagement_
Looking great Wendal, thanks for the quality content, love the link show.
i come to lvl1 for the same reason as i did when you were on a different channel ..and i kinda miss the era when you were just behind the monitors but that is just due to how committed you were to that ....keep showing us amazing things or even mundane things if its you im in
Staggers like a drunken man carrying a 2u server, still doesn't drop it like Linus would....
I had a panic attack just watching that first 20 seconds.
This is quite a huge jump in processing power. Impressive. Can’t wait to see the workstations.
Problem is the there wont be accelerators and HBM2e in xeon W i think.
Looking good Wendell. I hope you get better soon!
Can we please get a complete tour of your server room and IT infrastructure?
I hope people realize just how smart Wendell is ... he doesn't have a script. He hasn't said "um" once ... and yet, he's speaking eloquently about technology as if he were one of the engineers who created it...and has made it accessible enough to where even I understand it. Truly impressive in my book. Remember people ... most people with Wendell's level of knowledge have at least low-grade or undiagnosed asperger's. In contrast, Wendell's "theory of mind" is adequate to (again) make this accessible to someone like me. Exceptional.
I wanted one of these but Intel couldn't get them out in time to make the end of my fiscal year. I am still pretty happy to move from 12 Sandy Bridge non-SMT cores to 64 Milan ones.
Only a small 20x improvement, right ? :))
8:35 Comparing Intel Xeon 8458P 44/88 2.7G (3.2Gall core/3.8G max boost, updated: $6759 according to ServeTheHome) to AMD EPYC 9374F 32/64 3.85G (4.1G all core / 4.3G max boost, $4,850 each for 1k unit pricing) in the benchmark is a closer comparison instead of EPYC 9654 96/192 2.4G (3.55G all core/3.7G max boost, $11,805 each). I guess it comes down to price and applications. If the application can use all 96 core and less frequency sensitive then EPYC 9654 makes sense; otherwise, F-SKUs are more useful.
How many times will Wendell make the "appealing" joke, and still make me laugh xD
All of the times!
Id want to see Wendell have fun with that silent workstation that Jake from LTT showed off. When watching that, it just screamed absurdly overkill NAS / Forbidden Thing :P "Why yes, my Jellyfin is running off of an A100 accelerator, why do you ask?"
We could literally replace 80% of our datacenter with one of these lol. Virtualization is our primary workload, although RAM tends to be the limiting factor long before CPU I find
How many silicon steppings/revisions did it actually take? 50?
It is great that Supermicro sponsors L1. Although it is not shown, I spent a lot with them, and will be spending more. What can I do?
Would love a deep-dive on Deep Learning and CPU vs GPU and what's to come!
love the old tiles.
I've got my life jacket. YES to deep learning videos!
I really enjoy this review. You go into proper technical details for IT pros with amazing humor, and great production.
Wendell's "I compile things" has got to be turned into a meme and go viral
I really liked the look of the coolers on the Quanta sleds that Phoronix received.
That's all I have to say about that.
You are looking great!
I'll never afford anything from Supermicro. But if ANYONE ever asks me what they're like, "They are generous with showing off their amazing stuff"
eBay and ServeTheHome forum threads. I'm currently looking at the H11 and H12 Epyc platforms on there. If you can afford an expensive laptop like a fully speced out MacBook Pro or Framework, you can afford those platforms. Those are only 2 - 4 generations old. So not the worst deal.
The test items and order of the benchmark section are very misleading, making this video like an advertisement. Put oneDNN in such a front position, and this is an intel-led computing library optimized for intel cpu. The truly representative and convincing benchmark is SPECint in the field of integer operations and LINPACK in the field of floating-point operations.
First time I compiled a kernel was Gentoo stage 1 on Athlon 64 FX, took forever but sure looked cool scrolling up the screen. 8)
I can't wait to see compute focused nodes MINUS the dram (all HBM on the SOC) ... this is going to be interesting
You mean MI300?
Would a for exemple w7-2495X will be as good at gaming than a 13900k?
1:98 wat? Everyone knows the target release date was Q1 2022 and it got delayed by them having to respin the chip due to a bug. Other factors may be relevant, but not the reason for the delay.
In fact many memory manufacturers mentioned delays in Shappire Rapids as the reason for DDR5 not ramping as quickly as forecasted originally…
Most appealing, master W!
0:05 where is Steve at GN; "We don't do that here!"
I wish I could be excited about anything in my life as Wendell is with enterprise hardware...
Intel must be desperate since they have resorted to gluing together chips to make CPUs, and no self-respecting company would do that. Right Intel? ;-)
What do you mean?
What a classic! lol
@@RyTrapp0 what did he mean
@@maxjames00077 When AMD announced how they were making Ryzen CPUs using their "chiplet" approach in order to increase wafer yields by not making huge monolithic designs anymore, Intel used that fact as a way to try to make customers think that would make AMD CPUs inferior. So in a press conference, they said that Intel, unlike AMD, did not and would not make their CPUs "by gluing them together". But now Intel *IS* "gluing their CPUs together, because they are using multi-chip designs like AMD. They don't use the exact same method that AMD does, but the fact that they switched from a monolithic design to a multi-chip design just a few years after saying AMDs design was garbage proves that AMD's design was the right one, and Intel had no choice but to copy AMD, which makes their previous "gluing" statement make them look VERY stupid now.
@@SirReptitious thats what I thought haha. Idk if they look stupid tho (I'm an intel fan 😂), many companies do this to each other. I remember apple removed the headphones jack and Google made a commercial/statement how ridiculous it was. Lil later they removed it as well.
What server rack is he loading it into at 3:10? I recently bought one and it has no branding on it, as far as I can tell. It doesn't really matter, but I'm curious.
We come to level one for your great lines 😍🤣
have you got any CD6, CM6 or PM9a3 or simlar gen4 drives.. or maybe some gen5? would be fun to see some ZFS tests
That comment mentioning the 4090s alternative ... I believe it was about sending a message (under the radar, sssh)
thanks, i take an mi300
6:23 Jesus Christ look at the colonoscopy of wires hanging on/out/over/all around your rack. Gives me insight into Wendells mind...
Who was shooting the video?
With NetApp hadn't killed off their hyper converged offerings. They ran on Supermicro big twins, and it would have been lightning on this.
Wendell dropped some weight! Congratulations...It's lots better for your back, knees, ankles, etc. going forward. You'll want all those things to work when you're my age...🇺🇸 😎👍☕
Is boiler snake the Level1Techs CTO ? No wonder he doesn't want you fixing your heating. Every penny counts towards scoring great hardware.
What's that Fallout themed watch, looks very snazzy?!
You're missing 'T' in the 'BT' in your video title.
Oh god, there Intel goes with their naming convention again.
I came to watch this video to see the Fallout Pip-Boy Easter egg. 🐣
Would be entertaining if Intel forces AMD back into the threadripper market^_^
What is threadripper market?
@@maxjames00077 There used to be high end CPU & motherboards between consumer grade & server grade hardware. Professionals could build custom workstations instead of buying server hardware at a 200% price increase. The last gen flagships where the 3990x & trx40 motherboards for AMD, & 10980xe & X299 motherboards for Intel
Looking forward to single socket motherboards for workstation
It looks like his Lab/office is in an old School...............cool.
If there's options more in line with consumer grade boards - decent clock speed & semi decent pricing - I might just pick one of these monsters up for my personal use :)
Great video but... Can they play doom?
Wendell needs a wardrobe upgrade, those are some very baggy trousers.
Oh and Sapphire Rapids I guess. Eh, I still think EPYC is more impressive.
Baggy = comfy :)
@@iyke8913 Baggy == Ill-fitting. He's really slimming down lately, if he dressed more sharply he'd be quite handsome.
This is AWESOME!!!
Accelerators for "specific" workloads? So is Intel's vision to design custom server CPU's for specific workloads, if so is this a good business model?
We'll see, but at scale it makes tons of sense. Does it make sense for the typical business/server buyer? We'll see. I think Intel needs to market these features and their value much more as well as work on reducing the developer uplift involved in taking advantage of these features.
Hello, new workstation pc.
$7K CPU being everyman, lol. I can run 5-10 VMs on one $700 CPU. great info in the review.
You either need this level of performance or you don't🤷
Bring on the workstations!
But can it run Crysis?
here we go I guess. Looking for what it could be used, being really out of touch with server space, so I have no idea why anyone would go for this if EPYC is available.
EDIT: so it was interesting. I forgot that EPYC doesn't scale beyond 2 CPU's per mobo. And unsurprisingly the stuff that Intel has really good control over and has dedicated some R&D to actually accelerate is working well. Very well. I do wonder how it will look after optimizations to a lot of normal operations happen as well. AMD could use them as well, previously they had to rely on brute force, but with adoption rate there is a chance that they will also get stuff optimized for them. Which is going to be great for users in the end.
I'm still not exactly trusting Intel with process nodes and how manufacturable this is. But it seems to be working and they can't delay it any further. Wasn't it supposed to originally launch in 2021?
And HBM version is going to go against Genoa-X, which is going to be interesting. Though different strengths I guess. Question is how fast can Intel iterate on that? Granite/Emerald Rapids, because Turin is going to be there in 2024. This is going to be hell of a battle.
And going to workstations? Finally it might push AMD to stop neglecting Threadripper. Though to be honest this will depend on pricing. And video doesn't mention prices. Because that (and availability) is going to be deciding factor in workstations and smaller servers that don't really operate with per core licenses. Though again, it might for per core licenses since SR has fewer of them. I feel like licensing will try to even it out and maybe price on something else. Optimal money model would be to price the license per performance in less core dense versions, while charging through the roof for "unused" cores in high density. I swear that if anyone thinks of the way how to monetize everything it will be one of those licensing companies.
Great job! Great Video!
You need to try out an IBM Power 10! Maybe I should give IBM a call.
Are we getting these on desktop and if so when? Looks like AMD are no longer interested in providing Threadrippers for desktop so hopefully Intel seizes this opportunity. I'd love to build a new HEDT PC with one of those.
There will be TR Pro for sure. Zen 4 non-Pro TR is also on the road map but might be less priority than EYPC and TR Pro.
@@harrythehandyman TR Pro are wildly expensive so it's out of the question. You might as well get into Epyc. How do you know that TR non-Pro are on the road map? I saw a recent AMD slide where only TR Pro was shown on their road map.
The workstation parts will be called Fishhawk Falls, but seems to only go up to 34 cores per CPU and no details yet if dual or quad socket motherboards are going to come. But I’d expect multi-socket systems since otherwise the comparison with Threadripper would be absurd.
It seems like intel is going to fill the quad channel hole that AMD left (non-pro threadripper) with their WX-2000. Hopefully its priced for prosumer so you can finally get a platform with enough pcie lanes for dual gpu at a reasonable price again.
Just curious if AM5 prices enough PCI bandwidth and RAM for TR needs. I really don't know. Would the AM5 platform with 7950x give enough?
Wendell with the patented Wendell smile!
??? Server Closet ???
Superglue applied by Intel.
Intro: don't linus it!
Actually launched
Phoronix and STH got dual 8490H... but you got 56 more cores :D
Day 1 of me asking Wendell for more OpenShift coverage
At this point I would expect Intel to start creating accelerators for every benchmark just to make themselves look good on paper.
Intel = Rocky, AMD = Ivan Drago.
So basically apart from 1DNN workloads.. EPYC beats the pants off these chips. :)
Has Wendel lost weight?
In mother Russia we had them, like, a year ago? At least 7 month
LOL there was a TON of people crying in LTT's video about an AI/DL server because REEEEEEEEEE INTEL REEEEEEEEEEE.
9:15 and 9:39...
6:44 MEDIC !!!! 12 ?!?!?!?
But can it run minecraft?
Intel has its own vision. AMD has the mi300 😁
That mi300.... Massive. I don't even know what that would cost and what socket it plugs into
@@deansmits006 this requires a rather new platform with oam GPU slots
that intro lol
... a peeling ... Server reviews ... Stay golden pony boy.
Considerably weaker than Genoa, yet more expensive, what's the point of Sapphire Rapids? The target market for these seem to be martians
The market is stupid enterprise customers who will just buy whatever OEMs provide, which will most likely be mostly Intel because they pay OEMs more than AMD does.
Mine Monero?!?
I'm so glad that Intel has caught up and we're back to the good old days where Intel and AMD beat each other to the pulp to compete for the customer's money.
They caught up? Not from what I see here.
It is telling, that to play in AMD's league, they need a 4P architecture vs 2P.
It is telling that AMD needs 2x96 cores to compete with 2x44 cores.... yeah.
Go on - got any actual arguments?
@@ABaumstumpf Compete at what? Power consumption? TCO? Why are they losing; money, market share, margin? Ur logic matches ur literacy.
@@peterconnell2496 "Compete at what? " ... hhmm... then let me remind you of something:
" that to play in AMD's league, they need a 4P architecture vs 2P."
That is YOU that made that statement, i just tried to make it as simple as possible for you to understand, but it seems you are unable to comprehend even that. I can't help if you are stupid.
"ur logic matches ur literacy."
Says the person that can't spell.
I heard a rumor that optane was canceled due to patent violations.
There’s a really annoying echo on this
-O3 in server ? 🤣
soyface :P
We understand intel pays you))
Give me 32TB of ram with 4 of those processors in a 4u box and I'll buy 3 right now