This is the historical and professional perspective that is usually missing from many TH-cam videos. I will admit that I care less about the specs and am much more concerned about the usability of a unit. Thanks for sharing so much knowledge.
Hey luke your videos are more informative and i learn a lot... thank you, also i wish that you could do a lighting class on lighting various scenarios. Expecting more and more content. Wishes ahead...
i wanted to say, in the forza 60 gen 1 , the power brick comes with a sled that cradles the brick and it has v mount outside. but, if you look closely on both sides of the v mount there are holes 4 of them, they have a little symbol of a zip tie, u re supposed to zip tie the cradle on the stand and then mount the brick onto it. i am not sure about the 60II and 60 c, have u given it a deeper look maybe u could fit zip ties? cheers
Cracking video - have ordered a couple of the Neo 7Cs - my current DLED7 Bi Colour gets used on just about every job! Though key thing for the future is CRMX build in - you are on the nail there chap. The Dedo backward compatibility with really high quality fixtures is a big deal - Imagers, softboxes, polarisers, parallel beam adaptors etc
Easy Hack for the spotlight mini zoom: I took off the yoke, and added in a very thin piece of aluminum in between the teeth, and it works great now, very fine control! You might want to think of doing that Luke!
Totally depends how much output you can get away with and how well you want that Medium box to be evenly filled. I’ve done it and it works, but it’s not my go to combo. Not sure that helps you😬
@@meetthegaffer thanks a lot...on a cloudy day, 1.5 meter away from the model, 60 cm softbox..do you think that make sense? i like the light of its size and colors...but would need it most for portrait video at overcast days
Great video! Was thinking “let me pick up a few of those cute small Forza’s” until I saw the price! Will start with one haha. Have you tried the Nanlite Forza 720B? Just grabbed one for our productions, and love it so far!
@@meetthegaffer curious to see your solution. I wanted to start using a wireless control solution for our lights. We have been using the Nanlite app but its not cutting it.
There are good all-in-one solutions like Gaffer’s Control and the Exalux Control One. I use an iPad Pro app called Blackout Lighting Control, but it requires a separate transmitter like an AKS or Apollo Bridge or one of the new transmitters from Exalux or Lumen Radio. For more info check out the Blackout Lighting Console channel on TH-cam.
@@meetthegaffer I actually downloaded the blackout app after watching all your other videos, but didn’t have the transmitters to test. Will look into getting some. Thanks.
For small bicolor, See also Dedo's tiny Ledzilla and Fotodiox Popspots. Both have conductive battery mounts, not Dtap kludge. Ledzilla is so small, but the spot range and barndoors are great for quickly boosting a face or object in a wideshot without disturbing overall lighting setup. Nice when you have talent with widely different complexion,s and you need a quick fix. A number of dedo modifiers can be attached. Softbox, diffusion tube etc
The 60x with the mini spot mount is going to be much larger than the DLED7 units with a projection lens and you wouldn’t have crmx controllability. But if you are already playing in a Sidus Link world it could be a good move. I’m actually using the Nanlite 60c’s instead of the new Dedo Neo’s because they were available first. One thing that only the Dedo projection will give you that the others won’t is the ability to rotate the mount. It’s a small thing, but it can drive you crazy.
@@meetthegaffer Good points. Aside from those functional and dimensional considerations though, would it be possible to get the same light quality out of a 60x + Spotlight mini VS a DLED 4 bi?
@@ChenProductionsCo You would be in the same neighborhood. The Dedo would have a longer spot-flood range, but the 60x has the nifty ability to attach a 14V v-mount to the bale and power it with a single D-tap cable. A CRMX enabled version of the 60x would be slick.
@@meetthegaffer noticed you used it with the softbox in the Google BTS breakdown. How are you finding the output? I have the 60x and have not pulled the trigger on the softbox or the spotlight mount, I feel like the output is subpar and wonder about the practicality of using the fixture after reducing intensity even more through these mods.
It totally depends how you use it. With fast cameras and lenses it has plenty of output through a modifier. DLED7 units have good output for their size and the 60x has more than that, so it’s all relative. You usually give up output for more flexibility; and these days, I’ll take that trade😉
What's your take on the whole electronics world right now in terms of china and dependencies etc? Should western customers make efforts to go with non-chinese stuff or is it simply not possible because atm it's everywhere and therefore ignore it?
Together we thrive and together we fall. It’s wise to be as self-sufficient as possible, but whether we like it or not we are so globally intertwined it would be difficult to grow up whole domestic industries overnight to shift our reliance from off-shore product. We would need to shift our nation’s mindset regarding low-cost goods as well, which might be even harder🙂
Hey luke, how has the receiver on the projector mount for the 60C held up? I demoed it , loved the unit, but i felt like it would be easily stripped/ and render the precision projector kind of useless. If they have been holding up or no problems, on your end i might just have to pick some up
@@meetthegaffer I had bought 2 of the 60c, with projector for this new show. I ended buying two more while i was on set using them love them especially once DMX them. Also thanks for the v mount clamp idea, I had bought two of the vmount adapters, and those are ok on baby stands, but in order for them to go on combos you need to use a c stand arm :(
Yes, nothing is perfectly set up for every variation we come across in the field. The new Dedo’s are starting to ship. It will be interesting to see how they will compare in terms of ease of use, output, and cost.
The thing about the bi color aputure 60x is it's not powerful enough . The aputure 60d full power especially when using the zoom attachment. Can the aputure 60d ( non bi color ) be gelled with some tungsten gels in the fixture or the zoom attachment?
When you say it’s not powerful enough it makes me wonder how you are using it. Perhaps bumping up to a 300x makes more sense for the way you want to use the light?
@@meetthegaffer I tested aputure 60x out twice with spot light zoom attachment vs the nanlite 60 daylight with spotlight zoom I put gobo's inside the zoom attachments of each and the nanlite 60 was more crisper when pointing light at the wall .you could see the designs from the gobo much cleaner and defined . At a fair distance the aputure 60x (using tungsen setting ) with gobo inside zoom attachment tends to fade when pointed at the wall it's not as crisp because its half the power of a nanlite 60 do to it being bi color .
@Creative Greats Right, but what about going with a 300x and the appropriate spotlight mount? That way you get the full range of white light at an output intensity that works for you? Adding CTO gel to your daylight fixture woks as well, but you will lose intensity. If you want the output of the daylight only unit, but prefer tungsten, I would go to a brighter unit that still gives you the warmer Kelvin that you are looking for😀
I'm stealing that v-mounts Nani clamp idea thanks Luke
This is the historical and professional perspective that is usually missing from many TH-cam videos. I will admit that I care less about the specs and am much more concerned about the usability of a unit. Thanks for sharing so much knowledge.
Hey luke your videos are more informative and i learn a lot... thank you, also i wish that you could do a lighting class on lighting various scenarios. Expecting more and more content. Wishes ahead...
i wanted to say, in the forza 60 gen 1 , the power brick comes with a sled that cradles the brick and it has v mount outside. but, if you look closely on both sides of the v mount there are holes 4 of them, they have a little symbol of a zip tie, u re supposed to zip tie the cradle on the stand and then mount the brick onto it. i am not sure about the 60II and 60 c, have u given it a deeper look maybe u could fit zip ties? cheers
Will need to look more closely!
Cracking video - have ordered a couple of the Neo 7Cs - my current DLED7 Bi Colour gets used on just about every job! Though key thing for the future is CRMX build in - you are on the nail there chap. The Dedo backward compatibility with really high quality fixtures is a big deal - Imagers, softboxes, polarisers, parallel beam adaptors etc
What would be very useful, is a compairson between the Arri S360 and the Nanlux 1200c dyno.
Ya, grab some help for that one.
Easy Hack for the spotlight mini zoom: I took off the yoke, and added in a very thin piece of aluminum in between the teeth, and it works great now, very fine control! You might want to think of doing that Luke!
I’ll give that a shot! 🙏🏻
👏👍 Love my little Forza 60b and fresnel.
what would you say about the power of the 60c...in lux...is it strong enaugh for medium softboxes?
Totally depends how much output you can get away with and how well you want that Medium box to be evenly filled. I’ve done it and it works, but it’s not my go to combo. Not sure that helps you😬
@@meetthegaffer thanks a lot...on a cloudy day, 1.5 meter away from the model, 60 cm softbox..do you think that make sense? i like the light of its size and colors...but would need it most for portrait video at overcast days
@@caseybachmeyer overcast days, like outside? I would think that would not be enough unless it’s just for a catch light in the eye.
This is jinx, I was discussing with my team research & invest in 60w cob light and you have uploaded a video regarding the same. Thanks Luke!
Great video,seeing the different units together was very useful.thanks
Awesome video! Love the vmount clamp idea!
Dedo= Mega GACK , I still love mine but yeah its alot
And mega $$$ ;)
Great content as always Luke!
Great video! Was thinking “let me pick up a few of those cute small Forza’s” until I saw the price! Will start with one haha.
Have you tried the Nanlite Forza 720B? Just grabbed one for our productions, and love it so far!
Just starting to use it. I really like that it has a compatible projection mount, but I miss having built in Lumen Radio.
@@meetthegaffer curious to see your solution. I wanted to start using a wireless control solution for our lights. We have been using the Nanlite app but its not cutting it.
There are good all-in-one solutions like Gaffer’s Control and the Exalux Control One. I use an iPad Pro app called Blackout Lighting Control, but it requires a separate transmitter like an AKS or Apollo Bridge or one of the new transmitters from Exalux or Lumen Radio. For more info check out the Blackout Lighting Console channel on TH-cam.
@@meetthegaffer I actually downloaded the blackout app after watching all your other videos, but didn’t have the transmitters to test. Will look into getting some. Thanks.
👍🏻
Super useful as always 🙌🏾
For small bicolor, See also Dedo's tiny Ledzilla and Fotodiox Popspots. Both have conductive battery mounts, not Dtap kludge. Ledzilla is so small, but the spot range and barndoors are great for quickly boosting a face or object in a wideshot without disturbing overall lighting setup. Nice when you have talent with widely different complexion,s and you need a quick fix. A number of dedo modifiers can be attached. Softbox, diffusion tube etc
Thank you for the note!
Could a 60x with the spotlight mt mini replace the DedoLight7 entirely in terms of control and also output?
The 60x with the mini spot mount is going to be much larger than the DLED7 units with a projection lens and you wouldn’t have crmx controllability. But if you are already playing in a Sidus Link world it could be a good move. I’m actually using the Nanlite 60c’s instead of the new Dedo Neo’s because they were available first. One thing that only the Dedo projection will give you that the others won’t is the ability to rotate the mount. It’s a small thing, but it can drive you crazy.
@@meetthegaffer Good points. Aside from those functional and dimensional considerations though, would it be possible to get the same light quality out of a 60x + Spotlight mini VS a DLED 4 bi?
@@ChenProductionsCo You would be in the same neighborhood. The Dedo would have a longer spot-flood range, but the 60x has the nifty ability to attach a 14V v-mount to the bale and power it with a single D-tap cable. A CRMX enabled version of the 60x would be slick.
@@meetthegaffer noticed you used it with the softbox in the Google BTS breakdown. How are you finding the output? I have the 60x and have not pulled the trigger on the softbox or the spotlight mount, I feel like the output is subpar and wonder about the practicality of using the fixture after reducing intensity even more through these mods.
It totally depends how you use it. With fast cameras and lenses it has plenty of output through a modifier. DLED7 units have good output for their size and the 60x has more than that, so it’s all relative. You usually give up output for more flexibility; and these days, I’ll take that trade😉
What's your take on the whole electronics world right now in terms of china and dependencies etc? Should western customers make efforts to go with non-chinese stuff or is it simply not possible because atm it's everywhere and therefore ignore it?
Together we thrive and together we fall. It’s wise to be as self-sufficient as possible, but whether we like it or not we are so globally intertwined it would be difficult to grow up whole domestic industries overnight to shift our reliance from off-shore product. We would need to shift our nation’s mindset regarding low-cost goods as well, which might be even harder🙂
Chinese children’s blood on the hands of Westerners (not to mention subs of the Chinese govt.)
Super relevant for me and concise information as always. Loving the speed ramps and editing, I appreciate efficiency 😊
I wish I could edit my speech in real-time and save time in the edit😉
A pleasure. :) Thanks Luke
Luke, tks for sharing!☕
That V-Mount clamp for the 60c is a great solution.
The handle sticks out a little far, but otherwise seems to go the trick🙂
Hey luke, how has the receiver on the projector mount for the 60C held up? I demoed it , loved the unit, but i felt like it would be easily stripped/ and render the precision projector kind of useless. If they have been holding up or no problems, on your end i might just have to pick some up
Receiver on the projector mount? I have encountered no problems with that.
@@meetthegaffer I had bought 2 of the 60c, with projector for this new show. I ended buying two more while i was on set using them love them especially once DMX them. Also thanks for the v mount clamp idea, I had bought two of the vmount adapters, and those are ok on baby stands, but in order for them to go on combos you need to use a c stand arm :(
Yes, nothing is perfectly set up for every variation we come across in the field. The new Dedo’s are starting to ship. It will be interesting to see how they will compare in terms of ease of use, output, and cost.
Hey Luke Seerveld , what program do you use to control dmx?
Blackout Lighting Console, which is an iOS app for iPad Pro
@@meetthegaffer Thanks🤝🤝🤝
The thing about the bi color aputure 60x is it's not powerful enough . The aputure 60d full power especially when using the zoom attachment. Can the aputure 60d ( non bi color ) be gelled with some tungsten gels in the fixture or the zoom attachment?
When you say it’s not powerful enough it makes me wonder how you are using it. Perhaps bumping up to a 300x makes more sense for the way you want to use the light?
@@meetthegaffer I tested aputure 60x out twice with spot light zoom attachment vs the nanlite 60 daylight with spotlight zoom I put gobo's inside the zoom attachments of each and the nanlite 60 was more crisper when pointing light at the wall .you could see the designs from the gobo much cleaner and defined . At a fair distance the aputure 60x (using tungsen setting ) with gobo inside zoom attachment tends to fade when pointed at the wall it's not as crisp because its half the power of a nanlite 60 do to it being bi color .
@Creative Greats Right, but what about going with a 300x and the appropriate spotlight mount? That way you get the full range of white light at an output intensity that works for you? Adding CTO gel to your daylight fixture woks as well, but you will lose intensity. If you want the output of the daylight only unit, but prefer tungsten, I would go to a brighter unit that still gives you the warmer Kelvin that you are looking for😀
@@meetthegaffer yes indeed the 300x with it's zoom attachment is a great option .