Camping in a WEATHER WARNING for Rain | Bonnie Banks of Loch Lomond

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  • Another camping trip in sustained heavy rain, this time we have a weather warning out at the Bonnie Banks of Loch Lomond. Lots of products to review however! Wet and rainy camps are driving me insane now :/
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    Camping in a Weather Warning for Rain | Bonnie Banks of Loch Lomond
    Raining. Constantly. Again. The joys of living in the west of Scotland. Out with 5 others so lots of camping product reviews to do. I had some crippling anxiety so wanted to camp somewhere close to the car and to be honest, when quiet, it's a smashing little spot just north of Balmaha in Rowardennan.
    My full kit list:
    Tents:
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    Vango MTN F10: amzn.to/30L9ecK
    Vango Nevis 100: amzn.to/3nssgxd
    Vango Mirage Pro: amzn.to/3e2tMhU
    Naturehike Cloud Up 2: amzn.to/3AABegZ
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    NatureHike Opalus 2: amzn.to/3yaDw4y
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    Lifesystems Geonet Freestanding Tent: amzn.to/2OCxS61
    Crua Outdoors Duo: www.cruaoutdoo...?p=rJ0fUyEOt
    Lanshan Pro 2: www.camperlist... - Please drop me a comment or e-mail if you fancy purchasing this product, as I should be able to get you a discount.
    3F UL CangQiong - www.camperlist... - See above
    3F UL Taiji 2 Person Tent: collinsoutdoor... - See above
    Sleeping Bags:
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    Deuter Exosphere -10: amzn.to/2TnyWgy
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    Qezer Sleeping bag: amzn.to/40dAOKf
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    Sleeping Mats:
    Light Tour 5.8: collinsoutdoor... - Message me for discount
    Mountain Equipment Aerostat Dopwn 7.0: amzn.to/3f1C53w
    Exped DownMat Lite 5 M: amzn.to/34KWG77
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    Trekology UL80: amzn.to/3nOVRB1
    Aerogogo Mattress: amzn.to/484QYs9
    Misc:
    Lixada Portable Compact Heater: amzn.to/45PWo8K
    FlexTail Tiny Pump 2X: bit.ly/3JoGwQZ
    FlexTail Pillow: bit.ly/3AG8sx1
    OEX Bush Tarp: tinyurl.com/y7...
    DD SuperLight Tarp: amzn.to/3cJGy4S
    Dutch Army Bivi Bag: amzn.to/2TlUASF
    Trekology Ultralight Compact Chair: amzn.to/3eeaLJL
    EDEUOEY Ultralight Backpacking Camping Chair: amzn.to/3HKw5WT
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    Bahco Laplander Saw: amzn.to/2zf1Zfr
    Vango Latitude 400: amzn.to/3ed5nXl
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  • @MontyOutdoors
    @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Let me know what you think about the video, it's length, the gear, the sleeping mats, the location, the good looks, the neurodivergence, the heater, and the state of that vestibule. OMG man. And let's make Monty a millionaire #MMAM

    • @jimmyboyd817
      @jimmyboyd817 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Location: Great but only in winter as far to busy other wise.
      Gear: Excellent especially the heater.
      Company: Legends all round
      Vestibules: Less chat about my small porch the better! Haha

    • @billyharden9316
      @billyharden9316 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The vid is great mate.👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿⛺️

    • @billyharden9316
      @billyharden9316 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Monty I’ve always said the heaters are amazing. If your vented.👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿⛺️

    • @vs123
      @vs123 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Beautiful place

    • @angelfishtiger
      @angelfishtiger 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ahh ya handsome beast ya! Great location, love Loch Lomond. Big vestibules are always preferable. Thanks for the reviews, especially the mats.
      I really think that neurodivergence is a gift. MMAM!!

  • @davidoneill7356
    @davidoneill7356 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Cracking night for such a simple wee camp

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      10/10 camp mate

  • @kevinmccallum6706
    @kevinmccallum6706 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Nice video mate, probably the better side of the loch for camping spots, especially next to water. 👍🏻

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I've camped on the other side... a bit noisy mate lol.

  • @531c
    @531c 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hey Monty, just want to say what a destresser this is for me😅. Whenever there a weather warning for either rain or wind I get out on my mountain bike and bomb along bridleways in the wild areas of....... Hertfordshire 😂.
    Some excellent kit there you and your mates have got thanks for sharing.

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hey man. Glad you enjoyed it. I spent many days in St Alban & Welwyn Garden City with some partying in Hatfield and Potters Bar.
      Take care!

  • @redwingtt5538
    @redwingtt5538 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    That's a great spot you have and the heater is brilliant

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for commenting 😀

  • @p.v
    @p.v 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Cracking video, I really enjoyed the attention to all the gear! I've got the opalus 2 for a couple of years now, and i have to say I'm a bit surprised to see yours sag so much? I do however recognise that I have to be careful whilst putting the poles through the sleeves to not rip the material, in contrast to my Helm 2.

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks. Everyone had a warm and comfortable sleep!
      Do you think the straps can tighten? I need to check that next time as you can disconnection the inner tent.

    • @p.v
      @p.v 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm not sure tbh, just like you I always leave the inner attached. But I noticed you haven't used the guy lines, maybe that could make some difference?

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @p.v Yeah that would help. What would massively help is if they put guy out points at the end. This only exists in the 3 person model - which also has two doors

  • @suszh8981
    @suszh8981 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ooft got here finally, length of the vid was good, you had a lot of interesting information to give out, whilst sadly my camping days are over, I'm sure there are many people who really appreciate your reviews, you've very honest and straightforward. location was great some more lovely videography. look forward to your next trip.

  • @rizzlablu
    @rizzlablu 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I often go camping at that location I was thinking of going to loch Lomond Saturday till Sunday but the rain put me off going. Been interested in the gas heater
    I'm planning on hiking balmaha to the drover inn should take maybe 2 to three days just trying to time the weather. Thanks for the video monty good work 👏👍

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Could have bumped into each other! I was wanting to do the WHW but I'm a slow walker. I can do Rowardennan to Inversnaid in 3 hours without camping equipment. I hope you get your camp sorted with accommodating weather, mate.

  • @billyharden9316
    @billyharden9316 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I love a rainy camp 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿⛺️

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The past 2 videos have been wild mate lol

    • @billyharden9316
      @billyharden9316 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The rain just makes it all real monty I love camping in it.👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿⛺️

  • @fraserconnell21
    @fraserconnell21 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hope you're in good spot big man😊. Let's catch u up buddy 🙏👏👏👍🏼

  • @Martin-rc4iy
    @Martin-rc4iy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi Monty great content, lovly place to camp hope your ok

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      All good here, Martin. I hope all is well on your end, mate.

  • @billyharden9316
    @billyharden9316 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Have you ever drifted off to a wonderful life.?the film.👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿⛺️

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I've never seen it mate. You recommend it?

    • @billyharden9316
      @billyharden9316 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s a great film to me it puts life in to perspective.but it’s black and white I’ve got the colour version.👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿⛺️💯

  • @Stewartmcf80
    @Stewartmcf80 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Cracking vlog Monty. I enjoy your reviews 👍🏻
    I have a Hilleberg Allak. Had it in some cheeky conditions. It’s a lot to carry in comparison with some other 4 season tents but a fantastic place to be once it’s up.
    Looks like you’ve had a good camp. Nice one mate.

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thank you, Stewart. If there is anything else you'd like to see let me know.
      Cheeky conditions 😁. It's that or the Staika that I want but I'm very working class and live alone. Thankfully the channel funds my hobby. It's worth carrying and it's a tent for life.

  • @wulliescottishoutdoors
    @wulliescottishoutdoors 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thought that was Sean batty lol

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm gonna do weather reports in my videos from now on 😂

  • @mikeodonovan7325
    @mikeodonovan7325 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    monty your a class dude love the videos the adventure and journey brillllllll

  • @James-gf9jl
    @James-gf9jl 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Steaks on the firepit with a few mates. Paradise.

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I'm vegetarian and the steaks were a medium well done. Even I found that a disgrace lol. Medium rare ftw.

  • @marierobinson3935
    @marierobinson3935 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The mat with its own pump is brilliant but i dont think i could handle the tent it was too low and saggy😂 overall i love the area though its stunning❤

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I wonder if I can tighten the straps that the mesh uses to connect to the fly. Alternatively: don't use the mesh 😂

  • @AirdrieRambler
    @AirdrieRambler 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Happy New Year Monty. Took me a few weeks to catch up with this, I like to wait until I have a bit of free time to watch longer videos. It was worth the wait for that vestibule though! 😂😂😂

  • @stellamariapitt8423
    @stellamariapitt8423 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love the video, that tent is probably fine for tiny 5’3 me! The world’s worst vestibule is hilarious! I loved the sound of the Loch waves. The heater might have to be purchased to keep my daughter warm too.
    I relate to the anxiety so I am glad you enjoyed the camp.
    And of course you know I absolutely love the rain! 😊☔️☔️☔️

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Stella Maria Pitt!
      I like the tent and I do intend on being out in it more, just need to fix the sleeve. If you're getting the heater please be safe with it and get a carbon monoxide detector.
      Anxiety is bad at the moment but hopefully I can get more solos. 2 tent reviews this weekend so sadly no rain footage in meantime.

    • @stellamariapitt8423
      @stellamariapitt8423 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ⁠@@MontyOutdoorsdon’t worry I am the world’s most protective Mom so will be careful! Sorry to hear your anxiety is peaking at the moment, I think it has been a brutal year for many people so be kind to yourself 😊

  • @Moffatmountainadventures
    @Moffatmountainadventures 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Completely get where you’re coming from anxiety. Often puts me off going too. Good to see your getting your mojo back though

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hope you are getting out mate? I'm lucky to have camping buddies and Gaz but I want to do a solo!

    • @Moffatmountainadventures
      @Moffatmountainadventures 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@MontyOutdoors when I can around work but I’ve only got 1-2.i typically meet up with so any summit camps I’m usually myself

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@Moffatmountainadventures Exercise and eating non ultra processed foods massively helped my anxiety so I'm slowly resuming both. You should try it!

    • @Moffatmountainadventures
      @Moffatmountainadventures 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@MontyOutdoors good shout, cheers Monty

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @Moffatmountainadventures Let me know how you get on. I'm only on trazadone for off label sleep so my intention is too take on my anxiety "naturally".

  • @christopherlucas892
    @christopherlucas892 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video as usual Monty. Your pal Jimmy's tent reminds me of a tent my mate lent me to go bikepacking near Aberfoyle. From memory it was a Vango nx100, looks like the one man version of Jimmy's but it was green. Absolute nightmare of a tent. 😂 I'm 6ft and it was so tight I couldn't sit up in it or turn round in either so getting dressed or undressed had to be done outside the tent. I nicknamed it "the sausage skin" Keep up the good work Monty and merry Christmas to you!

    • @jimmyboyd817
      @jimmyboyd817 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's an upgrade on my last 2 man Coleman Cobra in size terms but maybe slightly less in quality, still fine though for a cheap tent it does the business for low level camps. Monty's and Davids tents were miles better to be honest!!

  • @richpearce7828
    @richpearce7828 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Must admit you have so spectacular scenery up. North. What a location absolutely beautiful in any weather. That tents vestibule is on par with my cats litter tray nearly non existent 🐱😁 Hilleberg make some amazing equipment built to last. That heater looks perfect for sub zero temperatures a really nice product. It may of been a camp close to the car but sometimes it's just getting out that matters. Great video Monty 👍🏻🍻

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Cat litter vestibule 😂. What's your cat called? I miss mine (Pepe and Mikael). One was a stripey grey cat and the other was ginger - my favourite colour of cat.
      But aye mate. You know me, I alternate my camps. Will keep it easy in meantime so I don't create negative experiences.
      Hope you're well 😁

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And where is it your based mate?

    • @richpearce7828
      @richpearce7828 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @MontyOutdoors I currently have 3 cats. I had a 17yr old Ginger boy called Merlin who passed away but I still have my memories of him. I have a Tortoise shell Girl called Torrun a Black Boy called Ovid and a Tabby Boy called Nero. I am located in Wiltshire a Town called Marlborough. Are you going to be doing you Friday night Live sessions again Mate? 👍🏻🍻

    • @jimmyboyd817
      @jimmyboyd817 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      How dare you take the cats p1sh out of my vestibule! On my last camp I managed to store a can of Irn-Bru and a packet of Walkers ready salted in there, I'm part of the VWA (vestibules with attitude) so please camp carefully 😂

    • @richpearce7828
      @richpearce7828 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      d817 😁🤣👍🏻A packet of Walkers crisps 😁 nice one. Hope even without a big vestibule you had a great camp. 👍🏻🍻

  • @pintsworld7343
    @pintsworld7343 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Another great video! Also interested in the camp fire, when you find out please let me know. It seemed a shorter video than it was, maybe because of the awesome content. Can't fault the location, did you have a dip?

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Pop into Amazon stainless steel portable fire pit and a few will come up mate. And thanks mate! I have dipped there before but I no longer have the minerals for it.

  • @Jason-ke2nj
    @Jason-ke2nj 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Like a moth to a flame..😊😊

  • @stephenbell8815
    @stephenbell8815 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    #MMAM Like the heater, just concerns about the monoxide. How much gas does it use, and how heavy is it?

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😭😂. I honestly don't think it gives off that much mate. Just keep the tent ventilated. And a big can lasts about 8 hours! And the thing only weighs like 250/300g.

  • @Jason-ke2nj
    @Jason-ke2nj 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Looks massive tent..i prefer big tents

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Same mate. I'm a big human being so need me bigger tents. Screw the weight.

  • @michaelsargeant5923
    @michaelsargeant5923 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Very enjoyable video as always

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you mate. Hope you are well.

  • @billyharden9316
    @billyharden9316 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I would be better coming out in a vest monty 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿⛺️

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What do you mean, sir?

  • @DamienNeverwinter
    @DamienNeverwinter 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Whats happened to Monty? Havent seen a video in ages 😟

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have 4 in the making. I've just been super busy and I have more camps organised and a new camera :)

  • @austieoutdoors9763
    @austieoutdoors9763 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    yes luv my winter wild camps mont and im looking for a good winter air bed. oh that backpack of yours the cammo one i have the same one is it what it says is it a 120L pack and what do you think of it mate

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Exped are the most reliable so far for winter mats but this year will be a good test for Light Tour. I've still to take it down to below freezing though I think.
      Andes bags are rubbish. They are useful for car camps or hikes under 30 mins. Very uncomfortable and cheap, however the bag is still going strong and undamaged. Would only recommend for the easier camps and not treks or munro bagging. How are you finding it?

    • @austieoutdoors9763
      @austieoutdoors9763 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      mate your right they are uncomfortable my neck and shoulders are killing when i go anywere thats why im not out much so ok whats a good backpack mate im the same build as your mate gaz been looking at a vango one but not working at the moment so dont want to spend over a £150
      @@MontyOutdoors

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @austieoutdoors9763 I have the Eurohike Nepal and tbh, it was fine value for its money - £25. Certainly more comfortable than the Andes. I'd use them for short hikes for more comfort.

    • @austieoutdoors9763
      @austieoutdoors9763 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@MontyOutdoors eurohike tamar 2 that was my first tent and still got it mont thanx I'll try that mate because ok company

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@austieoutdoors9763 I love the look of the Eurohike Ribble.

  • @goingwildagain
    @goingwildagain 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good evening shrek man dude

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hey man. How are you?

  • @smithy271boro
    @smithy271boro 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You watched leave the world behind

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Last night mate. Great movie. 8.5/10 from me. Loved the overall acting, but Julia Roberts steals the show.

  • @rain1138
    @rain1138 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Monty, we previously discussed the danger you posed to mountain rescue teams due to your idiocy.
    Now I believe that you are a danger to everyone. 15:53 your tadger is on show big boy.

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm aware. Wearing thermals underneath till my new pair arrive. Its also in my thumbnail. Clickbait.

    • @jimmyboyd817
      @jimmyboyd817 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Next video sponsored by Omano microscopes😜

  • @brianmercer2805
    @brianmercer2805 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hi monty
    Sorry to hear About your anxiety,I suffer from it now and then aswell,if it makes you feel any better.
    Good run down on all the gear,I have that vango talas aswell,was given to me but yet to use it.
    Leave the world behind,if your looking for a movie,good watch. Thanks for the new content,keen as ever in the rain🏕👍
    P.s. sew the crotch of yer jocks😅

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's rotten mate as I want to do solo mountain camps but my brain doesn't permit. I've been on strong benzos but currently off all meds and trying to take a more natural, less western approach. How are you getting on.
      Watched it last night and I give it 8.5/10. Great movie and what an ending lol.
      And that's a designer logo mate 😂

    • @brianmercer2805
      @brianmercer2805 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@MontyOutdoors
      I always try natural things before medication,I think it only masks and contributes to more things. There were remedies for everything before the big pharmaceuticals came along.
      Try some,qi qong,meditation or yoga..
      What is it your brains saying no to about a solo summit camp?
      I was out solo in the hot tent last week,was great.
      Need some more snow tho.
      I just bought an oex bobcat to do some summit solos,more Corbetts.

    • @MontyOutdoors
      @MontyOutdoors  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @brianmercer2805 I'm a big fan of scientific literature, but medication should generally be a last resort. Exercise is the body's natural drug, eating healthy is the way forward and studies now show ultra processed foods are killing us and mess with our brains the way drugs do, and most people's mental health issues would greatly improve if life was more cost effective. Yoga and meditation/breathing techniques are excellent suggestions. My issue isn't so much pharmaceutical companies but the economic model it exists inside which is outside it's control. Have you read Ben Goldacre's stuff? Very scientific but he gets tore into pharma.
      I get scared incase I experience panic attacks/suicidal thoughts, so recently I've restricted myself to being at home or around people.
      Mate i want a hot tent. Fire, big meal and a wee drink lol

    • @brianmercer2805
      @brianmercer2805 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @MontyOutdoors You sound like your on my wave length Monty.
      I suffered from panic attacks for a while,first one was worst and anyone that's not had one doesn't understand. I had that many that I learnt to control them and eventually they stopped.
      I understand,and that's prob wise👍